1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: name is Noel. And although I insisted on keeping our 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: show from getting to air at the time it should 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: because I had to play some dumb YouTube songs, I'm 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: still Ben, hopefully you're still you. And today we are 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: looking at something that touches on a lot of basis 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: for things that we have covered in the past. So 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: I figured maybe one of the best ways to start 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: is I wanted to ask you guys. I don't know 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: if we've ever talked about this on air, did you 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: ever want to be an asked or not? When you 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: grew up. I watched a lot of Nickelodeon when I 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: was a kid, and as you may or may not remember, 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: a lot of those shows were sponsored by space Camp, 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: and um, you know that was the big grand prize 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: if you went on Doubledare you got to go to 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: space Camp. And I think we all remember seeing the 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: commercial where these kids were just floating, you know, weightlifts, 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: and we're like, I want to go to there. That 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: seems totally awesome. Spoiler alert. My roommate went to space camp. 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: No such room, no such anti gravity room. You know 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: who else went to space camp? Here's that? This guy? Yeah? Yeah, 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: I was a young astronaut. I was fascinated by I 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: went to a couple of camps and I think Huntsville, 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: Alabama is where they have a lot of that stuff, 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: and it was it was great. I mean that was 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: my dream, man, I was I was either going to 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: be a marine biologist or an astronaut. What did you 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: think being an astronaut really meant? Did you Did you 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: have the concept of space scientists or were you thinking 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: you were going to be like, you know, battling extra No, 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: I was hoping scientists. That's that was the track I 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: wanted to be on. I didn't need to talk down 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: to your younger self. Their right, Yeah, I also know 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: you know this. I also went to space camp. In 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: the mass everybody went to space camp except me. So 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: I think we should take you to space camp right 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: af there we go to David Busters. Look, I'm not 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: joking about either of those. And I see your smirks 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: from across the table, Ladies, and gentlemen of the Internet, 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: our but the steamed co host by close friends outside 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: of work. I think I'm joking about David Busters and 46 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: the Space program. I'm not joking about either of those. 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: Visiting space related stuff is so cool. And No, you 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: are a meticulous person when it comes to your work 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: ethic and a lot of people might not know this 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: because you're You're very relaxed and personable and and chill. 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: When you know, when we're hanging out, we're talking from 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: time you do, we do know what buttons you have? 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: You guys, there's an adult space camp in Huntsville, Alabama, 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: and it is available and we can go Adult is 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: in for grown ups or adult is in like Showtime 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: after Dark? Maybe both. Hopefully it is uh for a 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: four day space camp. It's six dollars. That seems like 58 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Did they cover the food? I 59 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: hope so all that freeze dried ice cream. Man cannot 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: live on freeze dried ice cream alone. But if you're 61 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: like us, then you probably at some point when you 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: were a kid, thought of being an astronaut. How cool 63 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: is it to go where no one has gone before? 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: And even even in adulthood, many of us retain this 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: fascination without space, right Uh. And we've seen the resurgence 66 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: of this with the whole mission to Mars Idea, all 67 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: the all of the volunteers who are coming out from 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: everywhere just saying yeah, I'll do it. And Ellen Musk, 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: the founder of PayPal and and Tesla Motors, just declared 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: recently or reiterated again more definitively that he aims to 71 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: take some people to Mars. And who knows, maybe one 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: of us, maybe one one of us, whether listening or 73 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: podcasting today, could be on that ship. What we know 74 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: is that humanity has always been fascinated by space, and 75 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: it's um, it's up there with the ocean as the 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: least explored environment that we have encountered. We went House 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: of Works went to NASA's Goddard Space Center, uh several 78 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: months back to check out the successor to the Hubble telescope, 79 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: that James Webb telescope. And when we were there, we 80 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: have videos that will go ahead and plug that you 81 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: can find on the how Stuff Works YouTube channel, which 82 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: is you know, kind of the full disclosure. I'm in 83 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: a couple of them, the bad interviews. I'm the one 84 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: doing the bad interviews. But then our our our friend, 85 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: uh and maybe future guest host, right, no, Holly Fry, 86 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah is on there from stuff you missed in history class, 87 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: so you can learn more about the science of exploring space, 88 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: at least the publicly acknowledged stuff. Today's question is a 89 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: little bit different. But before we go into that, let's 90 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the things we know about 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: publicly acknowledged space exploration today. Like, first off, it's expensive, Yeah, 92 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: it's crazy expensive in the cost of development and five 93 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: years of operation was estimated to be eight point eight 94 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: three five billion dollars with a B for the James 95 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Webb for this telescope to you the one, yeah, the 96 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: one that you got to go look at and when 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: you were in there, it's this massive facility with people 98 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: just working around the clock. Just I mean, because not 99 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: only did the old the thing, you have to test 100 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: it so vigorously for years because once it's up there, 101 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: it's up there. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Right? 102 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, there's a huge history of 103 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: of of space exploration, right, the space race. May have 104 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: heard that term before, right, Cold War USSR versus the 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: United States began in nineteen fifty five, but it continues 106 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: today and there are more people in the game. Yes. So, 107 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: as of they're an estimated seventy different state sponsored space agencies, 108 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: thirteen of those have a known ability to launch vessels 109 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: out into space. Okay, that makes sense. So what we're 110 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: saying there is that of those seventy, the majority of 111 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: the agencies don't themselves have the ability to launch their 112 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: own thing. They partner with other agencies like NASA, that 113 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: is the idea. So of those thirteen, though, only six 114 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: have what's known as full launch capability. That means they 115 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: can actually get back some of the things they shoot 116 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: out to space, like recovering satellites for example. I mean, 117 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: it's not a one and done scenario where you put 118 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: it out there and we're never going to see that 119 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: guy again. Um. They can actually deploy cryogenic rocket engines um. 120 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: And they can also operate probes remotely. Yeah. So once 121 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: it's once it's out there in space, you've got to 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: handle on how to make it work. Or you can 123 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: drop a vehicle remotely right to voyage around Mars. Uh. Yes, 124 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: that that's strange that when you think of the rate 125 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: of attrition there seventy different agencies, thirteen can put something 126 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: up and six can do something effective with it. Yeah, 127 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: so six out of all the countries on Earth. And 128 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: we know, of course that state sponsored agencies are not 129 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the only ones in the game that you alluded to 130 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: this earlier, right. Oh yes, billionaires and well not just billionaires, 131 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of billionaires though, and their private corporations are 132 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: getting into this, this whole space game we saw. Let's 133 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: see space X. That's the again founded by Elon Musk, 134 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: like you you mentioned. They just launched another satellite, the 135 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: second in just a couple of weeks here. I think 136 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: it was a Thaie communication satellite. Previously there was a 137 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Japanese satellite that went up. Um. And the crazy thing 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: about space x is that they can, like you're saying, 139 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: reusing the materials, they bring their entire rocket back down 140 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: and landed. Someone looks made up. It's like this vertical 141 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: rocket coming down onto a little like a drone boat, 142 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: drone platform out in the middle of the ocean. It's bizarre. 143 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: It looks like someone played the clip in reverse and 144 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: it launching. It's very strange. And I mean, all of 145 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: this is so fascinating because we're entering a time now 146 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: where I mean this in the past has been in 147 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: the realm exclusively of big government agencies that have all 148 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: of this budget for this stuff. And as we know, 149 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: you know, focus on space exploration has kind of waxed 150 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: and waned over the years a bit, and now it's 151 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: kind of sitting squarely in the realm of these billionaires 152 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: who are able to raise their own money, use their 153 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: own capital to do their own research, and it seems 154 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: like some of them are doing a pretty good job. Well, yeah, 155 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: the day we're recording this, Jeff Bezos is Blue Origin. 156 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: Another one they just launched an unmanned aircraft are excusing spacecraft. 157 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: Uh it's a prototype rocket that's apparently supposed to be reusable, 158 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: just like the other ones, and they again landed it 159 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: back on Earth. So another company with another billionaire in 160 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: Bezos is the Emperor of Amazon. And those aren't the 161 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 1: only private space flight or uh, space ears, space space tycoons. 162 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: I can't call them space tycoons yet. How about space 163 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: katiers space gatiers perfect like Rocketeer. Sure you don't seem 164 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: as happy with that. I like it all right? Who 165 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: else is in this game? Oh, you've got Virgin Galactic, 166 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: another billionaire there, Bigelow Aerospace, X Core Aerospace, Orbital Sciences. 167 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on. There's ARCA, they're they're 168 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of other ones that are from different countries. 169 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes a lot of these are based in the US, um, 170 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: but they're they're all over the planet, right, and just 171 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: being based in the US, of course, does not restrict 172 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: their operations there. There are optimal places around the globe 173 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: from which to launch something into space, so they travel 174 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: widely there on a world tour. So given the lessons 175 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: learned from the private entities and from the history of 176 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: state sponsored space agencies, we found, uh, we found some 177 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: some pretty interesting things about space travel. If you are 178 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: interested in the idea of space travel, we'd also like 179 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: you to check out how Stuff works other podcast particularly well, 180 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think almost everybody has something of 181 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: space travel. Absolutely. Our friends over at Stuff Mom never 182 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: told you have done some great work on female astronauts, 183 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: women in the airspace industry in general. Yeah, and so 184 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: so it goes across the board. Every every podcast we 185 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: have as something about space has done a couple of things. Yeah, 186 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: yeah as well. So we did lunar rovers. So what 187 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: we found is that despite the evolution of space travel, 188 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: there's still a few things that are true. And here 189 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: they are just across the board. I'll go first. It's 190 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: terrifyingly easy for something to go wrong, frighteningly easy. For example, 191 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the Challenger disaster, and that's not that's not that's just 192 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: one that's in the public sphere. There are multiple classified 193 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: accidents that occurred during the Soviet space programs. You've learned 194 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: about a few of those cosmonauts, and we have done 195 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: work before on a lost cos not theories, and I 196 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: think Jonathan Strickland from tech Stuff has covered it. But 197 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: definitely people died in training, and as we mentioned earlier 198 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: podcasts were literally erased from history. There's some fascinating stories 199 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: in within that topic, so I would encourage you to 200 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: go check that out if you're listening to this. So 201 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: a big part, like what I was leading to earlier, 202 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: that makes this so difficult to do, is that these voyages, 203 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: this equipment, everything that goes into doing this stuff incredibly 204 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive. So the average cost of a man space 205 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: launch was estimated to be four hundred and fifty million 206 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: dollars in twenty eleven. That's for a single launch, and 207 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: that's by NASA. That's by NASA. And then the overall 208 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: cost for a shuttle's thirty year lifespan. So if you're 209 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: in it for the long haul, you're looking at a 210 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: one hundred and nineties six billion dollar tab, which is 211 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation for for right now. But still, how 212 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: is that a number? That's that's amazing. But then there's 213 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: there's a third thing here about every kind of space endeavor, 214 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: which we were startled to find in some of our 215 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: earlier work. Yeah, how in the heck do you keep 216 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: it a secret that you are using fuel, very loud, 217 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: very bright, uh fuel to launch things up into and 218 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: beyond the atmosphere? How do you keep that a secret? 219 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: And then how do you keep a satellite a secret? 220 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: And when it's orbit in the sky, which at this 221 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: point is still uncensored. Today's question, ladies and gentlemen, do 222 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: world governments and corporations have secret space programs? Given the cost, 223 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: given how incredibly difficult it is. It's like, I'm gonna 224 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: try to make a video game reference. Tell me if 225 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: I get it. It's like if there were Dark Souls fourteen, 226 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: does that work? I? Think so. I mean, so it's 227 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: a little different, but I'm gonna go Souls is the 228 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: tough one, right, Yeah, that's the tough one. I'm so 229 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: out of it. Well, yeah, because in a way, every time, 230 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: if you really want to get into the space program, 231 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: much like if you really want to get into Dark Souls, 232 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: you basically have to take up the controller and attempt 233 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: as many times as you possibly can, and you'll get 234 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: things right as you go along, little by little by 235 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: little by little. But ultimately you can't just jump in 236 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: and get the whole thing right. You can't just win 237 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: by starting the space race. I'm sorry that I gave 238 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: you this albatross of the metaphor. I'm trying to work 239 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: with it. Let's just let it go. I apologize. I 240 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is ultimately you end up throwing 241 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: the controller against the wall in both cases. I guess, Yeah, 242 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: that's familiar, the controller or the or the lander. Right, 243 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: what we know for sure that we know for sure 244 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: that secret space programs did exist, and historically the origins 245 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: and really space programs or shrouded in secret. Began his 246 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: research into rocketry and rockets. The idea of a rocket 247 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: is ancient dates all the way back to the first 248 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: principles essential to rocket flight came from the writings of 249 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: a Roman named ALUs Gellius, who told a story about 250 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: a Greek guy named Arcitas who lived in a city 251 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: called Tarantum is now part of southern Italy, somewhere around 252 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: four b C. According to this story, he uh he 253 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: made a pigeon out of wood and amused people by 254 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: flying it using the principles of rocketry, the action reaction principle, 255 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: which wasn't a scientific law until the seventeenth century. The 256 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: point is, maybe this metaphor is not or this excuse me, 257 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: comparison is not that far off, because you were You 258 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: are absolutely right about baby steps. So we know that 259 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: people began working on rockets way before they thought about 260 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: taking them to space. But we know that given the 261 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: research of rocketry and the enormous jump it had during 262 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: World War Two, the foundations of the US rocketry programs, 263 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the U s s R, which was the big the 264 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: big other agency at the Cold War UH and what 265 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: ultimately became a space program, what ultimately lead to atomic bombs, 266 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: involved some shady stuff, in particular something known as Operation 267 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: paper Clip. Yes, that's when Nazi scientists and scientists from 268 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: other non allied countries were brought to both to the 269 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: to the United States, to the United Kingdoms and other 270 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: parts of the world where they were secreted away. You know, 271 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: these are people who were working on specialized projects for 272 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: let's say, for bad people doing bad things like then 273 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: or Brown. Yeah, but they had an amazing amount of 274 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: research and intelligence, and strategically, I guess it just made 275 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: a lot of sense to keep them around and just 276 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: to jump on the the rocketry programs that the world had. 277 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: It was all about launching a missile or launching, you know, 278 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: a bomb. How do I get this bomb all the 279 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: way over here where I wanted to explode and you know, 280 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: not have to take a ship over there or a 281 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: plane or something. That's that is why we have space flight. 282 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: It's because we wanted to figure out how to more 283 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: effectively bomb people from far away, which is kind of 284 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: strange to think about. And the US government as a 285 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: history of this as well. I mean, the CIA actually 286 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: ran a secret satellite surveillance network A have a fun 287 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: thing to say three times fast from fifty nine to 288 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: nineteen two, where and they spied on the USSR and 289 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: the People's reblic of China from you guessed it out 290 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: of space UM. And this is a story I love 291 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: so much because it just goes to know the scrappy 292 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: nature of you know, getting things done by the U. S. Government. 293 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: So the UM satellites didn't actually have the ability to 294 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: transmit photographs remotely, you know, through uh, through the air 295 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: right the sixties, what's what's what's the what's the fix there? Well, 296 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: they actually had negatives and they would drop the negatives 297 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: from space. Yeah, I'm picturing little parachutes and I just 298 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: don't even There are pictures you can see pictures and 299 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: even diagrams on well Wikipedia's where I found them of 300 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: the Corona that we're talking about, the Corona program. Uh yeah, 301 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: you can see just just how old fashioned it looks 302 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: and feels. How just can't imagine how who do they 303 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: send out? What poor sucker do they send out to 304 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: find these things? And where's the film adaptation to that? 305 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: I bet there's maybe there's a classified script they're still somewhere. Yeah, 306 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: But they spent a lot of money on that as well. 307 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: According to some former officials, the total estimated cost the 308 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: program was eight hundred and fifty million dollars, which doesn't 309 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: sound like that much compared to you know, four d 310 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: fifty for one launch, right, but you know we're talking 311 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties dollars when it was mostly in use, right. 312 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: And I don't know if they factored in, you know, 313 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: like developing the film, developing negatives, got interns to do that, right, Right, 314 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: they just went to a photo mat um something. And 315 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: they weren't the only ones doing it, and and uh, 316 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: Corona was not the most um widespread of these sorts 317 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: of programs. Oh yeah, the Russian side had theirs. Their 318 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: own thing is Zenet I think seen it. I'm not 319 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: sure exactly how to pronounce it. But they were doing 320 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: photo reconnaissance in the same way, um, but they were 321 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: doing it a lot more I think. I think their 322 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: their program was a lot more extensive. Yeah, they had 323 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: over five hundred Zenet satellites flown, which makes it to 324 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: this day the most numerous type of satellite and the 325 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: history of space exploration. Yeah, oh yeah, these were launched. Okay, 326 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: So here's here's a weird anecdote that does apply to this. 327 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: So we all know what a tank is, right, Uh? Tank? 328 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: In war, they're called tanks and the old story goes 329 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: because when they were being shipped around in England or 330 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: around Europe to avoid prying eyes, they were created and 331 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: called water tanks, and so that became their nickname. Going 332 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: to our earlier point about how difficult it would be 333 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: to secretly launched something from space, Uh, these things. The 334 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: Russians and the US accepted that the other side would 335 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: notice when they sent something into space, so they labeled 336 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: them as different things or put them in different programs 337 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: so that they seemed like they were a pushing a 338 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: different purpose. And as as you said, oh yeah, these 339 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: these were probably above top secret level, some kind of 340 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: compartmentalized need to know basis intelligence where you know, imagine 341 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: that you're the president of a country and then some 342 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: suit comes up to you one of your advisors and says, 343 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: we have evidence that shows that we need to, you know, 344 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: invade this country now or send a force here. You 345 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: go ye, and they say we can't tell you, and 346 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: then you go, but I'm the president, and they say, 347 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: I know, Mr President. And then eventually you're persuasive enough 348 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: that somebody from uh you know, the CIA or the 349 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: n s A or some other alphabet agency just sort 350 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: of slides a blurry photograph across across the desk at you, 351 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: and that's how you find out how did you get 352 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: focused on this? So yeah, how wait? Wait? And I 353 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: have to said, okay, the way these satellites look, the 354 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Zenit programmed satellites. You can again go on to Wikipedia. 355 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: You can look at a picture of one of these. 356 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: It looks like a large sphere that has some optics 357 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: kind of and glass pointing out of it, and then 358 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: a little I don't know if in this picture that's 359 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: being shown, if it's just sitting on a holder. Because 360 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: it is a giant sphere. I think that's probably the case. 361 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: They just put the sphere down on a on a base. 362 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know. If you guys remember the stories 363 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: coming out a couple maybe a month ago about the 364 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: giant spheres found in Bosnia. This is a complete tangent here, 365 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: but giant spheres found. There's supposedly these huge stone spheres 366 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: and this one guy found one and he's claiming that 367 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: it's all these different things, and there have been numerous 368 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: explanations about what it is. It looks exactly like a 369 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: Zenit satellite, one that maybe just ended up in Bosnia, 370 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's interesting because you have to wonder 371 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: what kind of a crazy game that that is, the 372 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: play where they're like, well, the satellites coming down, Agent Brown, 373 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: you have to be a Kazakhstan in twelve hours. Yeah, 374 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: And how the heck can you get this giant sphere 375 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: onto a like a flatbed truck or something. Oh? Wow, 376 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: very carefully, my friend, Very carefully, and sadly, I don't 377 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could make it to Kazakhstan 378 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: in twelve hours from So we're just luck here, all right. 379 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to go out to UH to 380 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: one of our other operatives, which is weird because I 381 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: just hate Darren. He's such a He's been slipping. He's 382 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: Darren has been slipping. And if you are listening, Darren, 383 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: you're fired. Sorry Darren. Wow, we just made up Darren 384 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: and fired him in the space a few minutes. Okay. 385 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: So we know that these programmes existed, and these are 386 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: just a few, just to show that multiple kinds of 387 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: programs have have existed. One of the first aims of 388 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: this was to achieve supremacy in the space race, and 389 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: the first from from the first satellite launched by humankind 390 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: spot Nick, the U S s R and the U S. 391 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: We're trying to outdo each other and to get superior surveillance. 392 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: Corona probably wouldn't have happened as soon as it did 393 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: had a YouTube spy plane not been shot down earlier. 394 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: And so they said, well, we'll just go higher on 395 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: space where they can't reach us. And then immediately people 396 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: began working on how to kill how to kill a satellite. 397 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: So the question is, can we from this historical precedent, 398 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: can we say that secret space programs continue today or 399 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: was this just some cold war thing? I'm not sure, 400 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: but we'll figure it out right after a quick break. 401 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. There are active secret space programs. Uh, 402 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: some of us know a little bit about them because 403 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: they're little bits and pieces of details that get leaks 404 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: or that are allowed to be discussed from a pr perspective. 405 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: But the ins and outs of these programs, the actual 406 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: processes that are occurring, or what kind of research is 407 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: being done with these, we won't know probably for fifty years, 408 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe maybe a hundred years, maybe never until they're declassified. 409 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: And we have several examples of these. Yeah, one of 410 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: the biggest examples the something that is a personal off 411 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: the air obsession for some of us in this room, 412 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: and that is the infamous X thirty seven B, which 413 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: is an unmanned spacecraft that has been in orbit as 414 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: you check this show out, or as we record this, 415 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: at least, it's been in orbit for almost a year 416 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: now on this stent. And what's it doing up there? 417 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: Because I don't know, Yeah, it was. It was launched 418 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: on the twentie of May of last year, and that 419 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: was its fourth flight. Yeah, the fourth time it's been 420 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: up there. It's still just going around doing who knows what, 421 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: just just hanging out. Probably, I bet you know. It's 422 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: probably just a leisure cruise for the AI system. They're 423 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: trying to get it used to what it will be 424 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: like to be isolated in space, right, That's what it is. 425 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. I spoke with Jonathan about 426 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: this yesterday because he was doing a live Facebook feed 427 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: and he was talking about NASA a bit, and I 428 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: mentioned the X thirties seven B, and man if he 429 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: didn't just throw water so hard on on my thoughts that, hey, 430 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: maybe there's something, you know, weird being tested up there 431 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: are some kind of surveillance program that's being used with 432 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: this thing, or maybe uh maybe checking the ability to 433 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: somehow interfere with other satellites. And I feel like that's 434 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: a big thing to me. If people are putting money 435 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: into these programs, there needs to be some sort of 436 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: strategic advantage for doing it. And you know how better 437 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: to have the upper hand, whether it's you know, as 438 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: a country, as a company, let's say, than to be 439 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: able to mess with other people's satellites, to be able 440 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: to disrupt or have some sort of supremacy because like 441 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: we said earlier, I mean, we don't police outer space 442 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: in the same way that we police the skies, you know, 443 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: of the world. Yeah, I mean, you know, so sort 444 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: of fair game. And we we can't have any space wars. 445 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: We have treaties. Were not allowed to uh have any 446 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: kind of combat in space, at least from from a 447 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: legal perspective. No country is allowed to engage in battle 448 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: up there, right. Oh, And I want to I want 449 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: to give a brief thank you to someone. I cannot 450 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: remember who said this, but I had. I was talking 451 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: about either the Dead Hands system or something else in 452 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: a live show, and I misspoke because I described the 453 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: Strategic Defense Initiative a k A. Star Wars program baron 454 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: Reagan's administration, and I wasn't clear enough, So I want 455 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: to be clear now as far as we know, it 456 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: was not actually built. It was only proposed. So I 457 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: do want to be emphatic about that. As far as 458 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: we know, it was never built. And one last thing 459 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: we have remember the X thirty seven B is created 460 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: by Boeing. Yes, And this is another thing to keep 461 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: in mind when we're discussing private companies and governments and 462 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: programs like NASA and the intersection between companies like this 463 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: where Northrop Grumman or Boeing or you know, any of 464 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: these other corporations they get huge contracts from the government 465 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: to build stuff like the X thirty seven b um. 466 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: So you know, when you think about a government institution 467 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: versus corporation, it's not it's not always that binary, right, Yeah, 468 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a very good point. It is 469 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: often a false psychotomy. So what we're talking about now 470 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: is the militarization of space. And you can see them. 471 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: You can see the bread crumbons begin to disappear in 472 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: the post Cold World War era. So one example of 473 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: this would be that you're absolutely correct now and you 474 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: say that there are international treaties restricting, you know, restricting China, India, Japan, 475 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: the US and Russia from starting nuclear war in space. 476 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully that's the plan. But as far as listening in 477 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: space or what's called a space sensing system, that is 478 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: still uh you know, that is still occurring. And one 479 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: example of it would be the use of well they've evolved, right, 480 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: they've evolved since Corona spy satellites now have stuff like 481 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: high resolution photography, which is called image intelligence where immant. 482 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: These are all weird acronyms. Communications eavesdropping or sig iNTS 483 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: signals intelligence and covert communications. Hum int is not what 484 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: are what? Gift are Noel Brown and Ben Bole and 485 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: texting each other today? Shrimp and white wine? That was 486 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: a great one. Good Yeah did you actually were you 487 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: actually eating shrimp? I was drinking white wine them? Okay, 488 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: Well it checks out. So if we think about it, though, 489 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: this kind of listening in this sort of low earth 490 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: orbit eavesdropping lack of a better word, is necessary from 491 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: a state perspective, like you want to know who's doing what, 492 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: especially if you've got active enemies, people who are looking 493 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: to ensure your demise. It's probably a good idea and 494 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: also provides early warning and missile launches detection of nuclear detonation. 495 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: That's that's probably how uh the Great Powers new when 496 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: India and Pakistan conducted nuclear tests. That also gives us 497 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: to you know, that's probably why they learned about the 498 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: Vela incidents. Did we do we did an audio podcast 499 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: on Villa incident? I don't know if we did an 500 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: audio podcasts. Devella incident is an alleged nuclear test by 501 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: alleged I just mean we don't officially know who did it. 502 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: Do you think though, that having these giant corporations like 503 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: Amazon and SpaceX. I mean, I don't know SpaceX is 504 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: an exactly a giant corporation, but Musk definitely represents, you know, 505 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: an economic force in and of himself. Do you think 506 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: there's a conflict of interest having these private individuals who 507 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: are out, you know, to make a profit enter into 508 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: this sphere? You know, absolutely? Yeah. I mean, for for me, 509 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: it's always a conflict of interest when there's something good 510 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: as the goal, but then profit is the overall motive. Well, 511 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, also it's it's necessary if we look at 512 00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: the history of human exploration and expansion, uh after the 513 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: European way, Like many of the great old civilizations right 514 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: from African African Continent ancient civilizations to you know, the 515 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: Middle Kingdom or China, they were expanding typically through some 516 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: sort of quests for resources you know, uh so, and 517 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: and that applies you know to those European countries as well. 518 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: I my fear is that the that we will be 519 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: alive when the first manned off world colony comes into existence, 520 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: and that it will be run by something much more 521 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: like the dutchy c India Company than a altruistic saved 522 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: the world or saved the species kind of thing. Mars 523 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: banana plantations. Maybe here's something creepy too. Another thing that 524 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: these satellites are used for, of course, is GPS, which listeners, 525 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: let's be honest, you probably used somewhat recently. GPS is 526 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: the stuff man I I I think if any technology 527 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: that exists today that didn't when I was a kid, 528 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: that is by far my favorite. It's a game changer 529 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean in a lot of different scenarios. 530 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: Even if you're if you're like me and can't find 531 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: your way out of a paper bag, that's changed my life. 532 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: The cost of maintaining that system. It's okay. So the system, 533 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: the GPS system, and you know they're they're different ones, 534 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: right Like India has the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System, 535 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: the Global Positioning System UH that was originally designed, was 536 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: designed by and is still controlled by UH, someone who 537 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: will let anyone use it free of charge. Do you 538 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: know who designed to get rolls it? No? I think 539 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: you do know it's the US Department of Defense. So uh, 540 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: you know the same kind of like the Google strategy 541 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: ask ask me anything free? All you know, of course 542 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: that's that services free. They're not going to give you 543 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: a GPS phone or Internet connection. UM. So that I 544 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: can imagine that being a thing though in the future. 545 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: And so it you know, it leads people to wonder 546 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: what what happens with this data? You know? Uh. And 547 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: then there's there's the other idea that we just talked 548 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: about net network centric warfare. So using these communication abilities 549 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: to essentially have clarabuoyance, you know, to to be the 550 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: three of us were in a battle on one side 551 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: or the other, then the people that had sent us 552 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: there would want us to be able to know like, oh, 553 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: across the field, the that Frederick Coonian is prepping a 554 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: and H electromagnetic disruptor or something, you know, and he 555 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: would he would. It's so Fredrick on Ian and right, 556 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: and we know that, um, we we know that the 557 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: things like the X thirty seven, the unmanned aerial vehicles 558 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: are reality. Doubtlessly there are other countries attempting to do 559 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: the same thing, if not doing it currently. And what 560 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: one more example of an active secret space program, which 561 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: is happening now as we speak. So in early two thousand's, 562 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: both the US and China sent some pretty tense barely veiled, uh, 563 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: barely veiled threats to each other. Uh what what? What 564 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: did they do? So in the early as both the 565 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: US and China sent some pretty tense signals, let's say, 566 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: to each other, when they both publicly unveiled their satellite 567 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: killing technology. I love that the idea of satellite killers, 568 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: but this was actually presented as an efficient way to 569 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: dispose of their own aging satellites on both sides, and 570 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: they actually made pretty clear threats against each other. Well yeah, 571 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's a perfect veiled threat. Right, Oh our 572 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: satellite is not functioning. Oh look we killed it and 573 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: it just you know, it's that whole under the table 574 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: thing as just shows you, well, you know it could 575 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: have been your satellite. Yeah wink. And you know in 576 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: two thousand eight there's another one called Operation Burnt Frost 577 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: or burn Frost. I think it's Burnt Frost. This was 578 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: one our the U. S Military destroyed and nonfunctioning n 579 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: r O National Reconnaistance Office satellite. UM again, same kind 580 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: of deal, just like here, we're gonna send this missile 581 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: up and we can target a satellite in freaking space. 582 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 1: This is clearly an example of UM paying lip service 583 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: to one thing and just saying this is a test 584 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: of capabilities. But everybody knew what the rty on the 585 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: wall was. Here are my muscles, my ability to shoot 586 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: downside once? Yeah, it's like someone saying just casually stay 587 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: and look at this knife. Yeah yeah, look how far 588 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: I can throw it? And uh, this is These are 589 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: just some examples of things that are proven but remain 590 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: to some degree classified. Right, So where to now? Well, 591 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: now we get into the deep dark areas, the places 592 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: where life barely penetrates. We're in the fringe. You guys, 593 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: you're ready for this one? I'm just gonna say one name, 594 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: Gary McKinnon. Oh you know what we're talking about. We're 595 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: talking about hacking NASA back in two thousand one, I 596 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: think two thousand two was one. He was actively hacking NASA, 597 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: going through their databases, and uh, this gentleman found well, 598 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: he declares that he found some pretty crazy stuff. I 599 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: think early on in an interview that he gave to 600 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: Wired News just a couple of years after, and that 601 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: he had done this. I believe he was two thousand six. 602 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: He says, this is a quote. I knew that government 603 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: suppressed anti gravity UFO related technologies, free energy or what 604 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 1: they call zero point energy. This should not be hidden 605 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: from the public when pensioners can't pay their bills, you know. Okay, 606 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: So this statement alone right here. So you've got a 607 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: person who is personally motivated to go and find these 608 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: things that he believes exists inside I'd mass a server somewhere. Um, 609 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: he goes in and he thinks that he's found some 610 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: of this stuff. He I think, let's see. He claimed 611 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: to find a manifest that described what we're called non 612 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: terrestrial officers, and he claimed that he did see an 613 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: image particular of of a craft with technology that does 614 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: not exists. But he wasn't able to get that image 615 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: to then show it to other people, which you know, 616 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: it stinks because you want to believe at any point, 617 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: you want to believe a person at least this is 618 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: this is Matt speaking for himself. I want to believe 619 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: what someone says at all times. But it's very tough 620 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: to take something like that that's so out there, a 621 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: claim that just kind of makes you roll your eyes 622 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, even if you want to believe it, 623 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: what do you think it does come off as a 624 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: bit of a stretch. And I agree. I mean, you know, 625 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: it's the nature of me. You know, it's like a 626 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: it's like a sticky kind of a slippery slope writing 627 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: that line between skepticism and belief, and you kind of 628 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: have to just find a happy middle ground. And I 629 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: think you do a fine job of that yourself. Man, Well, 630 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: you know one other thing. Then you have to remember 631 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: this guy is on a fifty six K modem back 632 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: into early two thousand's as he's going through these servers 633 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: and I'm imagining downloading the image because you guys, remember 634 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: back then, as the image comes now it's going one 635 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: or two lines at a time, and just I imagine 636 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: being Gary McKinnon and just seeing this image develop one 637 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: line at a time. Right, what is this? Yeah? What? 638 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: He It's weird because it gets into some technical stuff there, 639 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: because he says that he got into Johnson Space Centers 640 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: Building eight, that he remotely accessed the terminal there and 641 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: they found a folder that had the photographs that were 642 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: two hundreds or three hundred megabyte images and the pictures 643 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: were of cigar shaped craft in orbit. But as you say, 644 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: it was on a dial up, so he's he here's 645 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: his quote. I turned the color down to four bit 646 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: and the screen resolution really really low, and even then 647 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: it was still juttering as it came onto the screen. 648 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: But it was whatever came on was amazing and culmination 649 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: of all my efforts. It was a picture of something 650 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: that definitely wasn't man made. But again he's looking at 651 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: it at four bits of color with super low screen 652 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: resolution just in order to see it, right, and at 653 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: that point the image is so degraded, then how can 654 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: you ever tell what it actually is? Well, he says 655 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: he was able to take a screenshot. Where's that? I 656 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: can't find it looking for it? Right now. Yeah, I'm 657 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: looking for the screenshot, trying a screenshot of a terrible picture. 658 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: I'll take that his computer was seized by police during 659 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: his first rest and no two. Uh So, people say, 660 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: is the claim to have seen evidence of the UFO 661 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: cover up credible? For bit It's tough, um. And you 662 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: know at that point, would that be a what how 663 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: would you know that was not an artist for rendition? 664 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: How would you know that was the bona fide article? Yeah, 665 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: or just some ideas that are being thrown around, Like 666 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: imagine some of the meetings for development for shows and 667 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: stuff like that that we have here, but that's all internal. 668 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: You know, it might be on one of our hard 669 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: drives or even on a server or something. If we're 670 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: like on our team, the video team will make a 671 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: sketch up, a mock up of what a show might 672 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: look like or something like that. And I can imagine 673 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: someone at NASSA or Goddard mocking up, well, hey, this 674 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: is what a possible spacecraft could look like if we 675 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: implemented these technologies. I don't know, I can see it. Well. 676 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: The part of the issue here is that he's still 677 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: fighting extradition. He is in the UK right, and he 678 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: is fighting off Uncle Sam. Wants the extradidem to the US, 679 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: and they're going to a lot of trouble to get him. 680 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: They're going to like a sane level, well not a 681 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: sange level. As soon as a Sande is out of 682 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: the embassy, he's just black bagged, I'm sure. But but 683 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,959 Speaker 1: what you know, I think it's such an interesting case 684 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: because he went in there not for some political or 685 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: ideological and so much as he went in there because 686 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: he believes that free energy is real, that the US 687 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: government has discovered it or has somehow created vehicles that 688 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: can use it, and he wanted to prove it to 689 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: the world. Obviously. Uh, he had a great combination of 690 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: skill and luck when it comes to UM online espionage. 691 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 1: I think it was all because he read a book 692 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: that had come out around then about basic hacker codes, 693 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: like not not codes, but codes of conduct, that kind 694 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: of thing, like how to how to view the UM 695 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: philosophy of being a hacker, and he was inspired by it. 696 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: And you'll see so many people online or on the 697 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: lecture circuit who insists that they have proof of secret 698 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: space programs involving alien technology or extraterrestrials. Themselves and how cool. 699 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: Just show me the money, guys and the spacecraft show Yeah, right, 700 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: show me the saucer. The The interesting thing about this, though, 701 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: is that, in a way we've talked about this in 702 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: the past. In a way, many abduction stories, or many 703 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: working with alien stories have tropes that are similar to 704 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,240 Speaker 1: stories from earlier ages of I think things like fairies 705 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: or change leans or elves, and you know, from a 706 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: folklore perspective, we have to ask ourselves, are these stories 707 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: just echoes of earlier stories that have changed their clothes 708 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: for our modern age? Or or yeah, is it real? 709 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: And as it continued happening somehow without universally acknowledged proof. 710 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: Here's a catchy thing about launching a space shuttle launching 711 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: spacecraft satellite uh an I CBM like an intercontinent continental 712 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: ballistic missile which goes in suborbital fight. Um people will know. 713 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: The average person will only really know if they're close 714 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: enough to see it. The people who will know are 715 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: the people who control the sensory equipment. And there are 716 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: not a whole lot of those people. So if they 717 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,280 Speaker 1: all agree to keep something the secret, I'm not saying 718 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: it's plausible, but I am saying that something can launch 719 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: with fewer people knowing than you might expect. And what 720 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: if there is technology that doesn't require a launch like 721 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: that with burning of fuel that could be detected in 722 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: that way. What if the zero point energy thing is real, Ben, 723 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: and it's in a hangar somewhere out in Groom Lake, 724 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: then then we would If that's the case, then we 725 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: would go to the economic argument of artificial scarcity, right 726 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: like to maintain a status quo of social inequality and injustice. Uh, 727 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 1: the powers that be, whatever those powers would be described as, 728 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:45,240 Speaker 1: are conspiring to prevent UH technological advancement pass a certain threshold. 729 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I remember hearing years and years 730 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: and years ago someone say that um Mayan and Aztec 731 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: civilization was amazingly advanced, yet no one had invent it 732 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: the wheel, which seemed to me like utter bunk, you know. 733 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: And I remember as a kid, I formed this entire 734 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory in my head, and I thought, Yeah, every 735 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: time somebody built a wheel, they were sacrificed and killed 736 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 1: or they ended up abandoned in the jungle or something, 737 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: because it was a profane idol of some sort. It 738 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: was like the man was keeping him down. Uh. I 739 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: have absolutely no proof whatsoever that or even if that 740 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: story is real, because it still seems highly implausible to me. 741 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: This is something that I just remember thinking of as 742 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,240 Speaker 1: a kid. Well, let's talk about how this zero point 743 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: energy idea came about, because it for me, at least 744 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: from my understanding, it traces it. It's traces its origins 745 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: back to and the Roswell incident when we thought there 746 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: was a there perhaps was probably not though a an 747 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: alien spacecraft of some sort or a UFO that crash 748 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: landed that used this type of technolog g that was 749 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: then you know, broken apart and re engineered by by 750 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: let's say, the US military. Yeah, that's the idea. Um. 751 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: I hate to be the party pooper in the bunch 752 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: and I'm usually not this person, but it seems like 753 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff we found looking into it 754 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: indicates that it was part of Project Mogul, Right, the 755 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: weather balloons meant to sense nuclear detonation on everything that 756 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: we looked at. You're right, that's what That's what I 757 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 1: would lean towards as the reason that the Roswald crash happened. 758 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,479 Speaker 1: But you're talking about the actual the idea of free energy. Yes, 759 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the origins of this thought process 760 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: of connecting the stuff together. You know, because aliens I 761 00:49:51,520 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: have fascinated humans for decades centuries. Yeah, absolutely, And as 762 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: our technology has progressed the way it's changed, as we 763 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 1: get into microchips, as we get into what was it transistors. 764 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: I forget what the huge leap was in the like 765 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: around that time forty seven, because there there's some pretty 766 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: interesting technological leaps that occurred right around that time. But 767 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 1: you know, is that coincidence? Is that just because our 768 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: technology is at that point? Um, you know, who who's 769 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: to say? Not me? I don't, I don't, I don't know. 770 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: And there's so many other there's so many other secret 771 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: space programs that we could say are alleged to exist, 772 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 1: like the Black Night satellite, which we looked at in 773 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: the past. Uh. The idea for for extraterrestrials, the idea 774 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: usually takes one of one of three tax like aliens 775 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: exist and are in communication with some elite human lead organization, 776 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,439 Speaker 1: or aliens crashed recently and some elite human organization took 777 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: their stuff, or aliens crashed in the distant past, and 778 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: the ruins were found and somehow humanity was able to 779 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: put those back together. I think those all make for 780 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 1: fascinating stories. And I would lose my mind if there 781 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,760 Speaker 1: was proof of it. It would it would be astonished. 782 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: I would be running in the streets around Ponts. I 783 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: would the street that is Ponts. You better look both ways, 784 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't care though, I'd be like Heliah 785 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: and then you won't be around to see you when 786 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: they come down, And you know, yeah, I don't care. 787 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: I'd hit the greens on the corner make their presentation. 788 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their power point power point. What if of 789 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: all the technology that humanity has managed, the mcgever together 790 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: on our time here, power point is the most impressive 791 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: to aliens. Not crazy, bring up some Excel spreadsheets, not 792 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,879 Speaker 1: anything else about computers, just power point and clip art, 793 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: clip art. They love clip art. So what do we 794 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: take away from all this? Gents? Well, what do you think? No? 795 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: I think, and again this is my opinion. I think 796 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,399 Speaker 1: it is foolish to assume that there are not programs, 797 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,799 Speaker 1: secret space programs taking place. And I mean, you know, 798 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: I keep harping on this privatization of space travel and 799 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: what that could mean but wouldn't it be possible that 800 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: these companies have a forward facing kind of public wing 801 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: and then maybe they've got some kind of skunk work, 802 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,359 Speaker 1: see stuff going on behind the scenes. You think about 803 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,880 Speaker 1: the money that goes into some of these corporations that 804 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: are working directly with the government. Yeah, and all the 805 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: while everyone's like rockets, look at that. That is so cool, 806 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's is a big wow factor. 807 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,359 Speaker 1: But you know, there could be other things going on. 808 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't even mention black budgets that. Yeah, 809 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: a lot of the governments so much secret money for 810 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: all the people who are saying, I don't know where 811 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: all where's all that tax money going? Uh? A lot 812 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: of it is a lot of it is secreted away 813 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: because there have to there have to be layers of 814 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: plausible deniability so that your local representative or your senator 815 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 1: doesn't know about it, and and many times they genuinely 816 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: do not. And all that stuff would likely be militaristic 817 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: in nature, much much of it would be yet dirty stuff. 818 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: And then sometimes you know, in the past, at least 819 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: in the US where we're recording this podcast, in the past, 820 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: government agencies have gone rogue against like against the law 821 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: and against the wishes of the rest of the governments, 822 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 1: and waged illegal wars or assisted in drug trafficking to 823 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: raise money for specific operations. And I'm not saying an 824 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 1: entire agents e went rogue. I'm just saying factions. So 825 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think, uh, it could likely be 826 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 1: military nature. What disturbs me the most is the idea 827 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: that's somewhere above us there might be uh satellite with 828 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,400 Speaker 1: nuclear deployment capability. It's possible. You're saying a nuclear weapon 829 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 1: that could be just in violation of all the treaties, yeah, 830 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: or in violation of the more as I should say, 831 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: of international law. Um, I think it's I think it 832 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: is possible. I don't know if it's plausible. I have 833 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: absolutely no proof for it. Space death ray episode, maybe 834 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: a space death ray episode. Note a bad idea? Why yeah, 835 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,479 Speaker 1: why would you not have a giant active laser up there, 836 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: just ready to go. I feel as long as it's 837 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: your giant active laser, we're cool. Right, that's the takeaway 838 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: from today. So before we head out today, we have 839 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: time for one more thing. Yes, that's right, shout out corner, 840 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: and we have a guest theme today. I'm feeling a 841 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,319 Speaker 1: little bit put to shame by this. Wesley Slover did 842 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,960 Speaker 1: a musical tribute to the Shout Out Corner and it 843 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: is quite unsettling and kind of love. Yeah, it's well done. 844 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: You can follow him at Sono Sancus on Twitter. And 845 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: if any of you want to put a little spin 846 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: on the shout Out Corner and make your own shout 847 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: Out Corner little jingle there, please send it to us. 848 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 1: You know we would love to play it and kind 849 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: of show it off. And next shout out to Kian Kean. 850 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,359 Speaker 1: You describe yourself as an irishman living in Minnesota. Ladies 851 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Keen has recently discovered our show due to 852 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: running injuries. We want to say thank you for the 853 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: kind words. Uh and we aard. You want us to 854 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: look into Virgin Mary appearances and other supposed miracles. You 855 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: also suggested we dive deeper into alternative medicines, both the 856 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,359 Speaker 1: myths and the truths. I like both of those. Yeah, 857 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: we haven't done much on miracles, No, not at all. 858 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 1: I don't think we have. We we discussed, we've discussed 859 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,319 Speaker 1: some prophecies. We discussed some prophecies involving the Catholic Church. 860 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: And the last shout out goes to someone that we've 861 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 1: shouted at before. Uh, so you're welcome and sorry Vaults 862 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: of X Tough. This fellow is he makes metal music. 863 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 1: He's a rapper, he's also a dad. He took some 864 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 1: pictures for new music projects that he's got coming up, 865 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: and he was wearing one of our Knowledge is Contagious 866 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 1: shirts that we created and you can find on our website. 867 00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone bought any of those, so thanks Alts. 868 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,919 Speaker 1: And it's really cool to see you because he's dude. 869 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: You should see this picture. He's got an awesome looks 870 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 1: like a leather jacket on. He's got such metal hair 871 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: and facial hair and they just got our shirt. Man. 872 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for yeah, hey, thanks, thanks so much for giving 873 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 1: and try we we appreciate it. Uh. And that concludes 874 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 1: today's shout out corner. And he did the reverse too. 875 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah wow. Uh all right, so we are going to 876 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: head out for today. We hope that you enjoyed this episode. 877 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: If you will have something that you would like to 878 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: tell our fellow listeners out there, then you can go 879 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 1: ahead and write to us on Twitter or on Facebook, 880 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,919 Speaker 1: where conspiracy stuff at both. But wait, as Billy Mays 881 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: was want to say, there's more. If you don't want 882 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 1: to do all the social media stuff and trust us, 883 00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: we understand guys. 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