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Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops.
Speaker 2: For today's episode, Reality to the King, we have a
Speaker 2: lot to discuss. A lot has been going on in
Speaker 2: all of the Bravo land and today I am joined
Speaker 2: by a friend of mine who is also like an
Speaker 2: amazing journalist.
Speaker 1: He also is a producer.
Speaker 2: And he is also like a personality. But today we
Speaker 2: are diving into an amazing article with an exclusive te
Speaker 2: that he wrote about the state of Vanda pump rules.
Speaker 2: We will also get into some housewife stuff as well,
Speaker 2: but please rain drops help me and welcoming on my guests.
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Speaker 3: Honey, I feel like I've been trying to get on
Speaker 3: Reality with the King since you've launched, so it's finally happened.
Speaker 3: I had to move here from Australia fore to have
Speaker 3: me on that. I'm here, so better let than never.
Speaker 1: No, I love you so much.
Speaker 2: It was funny, is I was on your podcast a
Speaker 2: few years ago and you still have it unpopular?
Speaker 3: Well you talk about the podcast, Yeah, I do it
Speaker 3: on Patreon now, So I just I mean, I moved
Speaker 3: to LA and I'm just so busy with work. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to produce some shows and stuff behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: It was just too much, so I do it on
Speaker 3: Patreon now. But it was funny because I feel like
Speaker 3: when I had you on my podcast, you were one
Speaker 3: of my first guests. That episode did so well, and
Speaker 3: that was before you had Reality with the King. It
Speaker 3: was before you were doing a lot of podcasts. So
Speaker 3: I feel like I got Colors King very early on.
Speaker 3: I was like, I need to have anyone, and now
Speaker 3: you're like so huge in this podcasting world.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: Notice the people like you who envite me in the
Speaker 2: podcast because we follow eachron on social media and you
Speaker 2: were and it's funny because you just said, can you
Speaker 2: go my podcast?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, I like you. We kind of.
Speaker 2: Agree on the same things on Twitter. To think about you,
Speaker 2: that's so interesting. You have the best, funniest takes. Even
Speaker 2: if I disagree with you, I just like it when
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll just say I don't care what anyone thinks.
Speaker 3: I will just say it, like so I will go there.
Speaker 3: And I've actually, like I pulled back from tweeting about
Speaker 3: housewives maybe like a year or two ago, just because
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, the fandom is so intense,
Speaker 3: and it's not that I care about getting hated on.
Speaker 3: It was just like it just became exhausting. Like it
Speaker 3: was just because you know, I would always have the
Speaker 3: hot take, and I would just every day I would
Speaker 3: wake up with you know, Garcells fans or like whoever,
Speaker 3: or people you know get upset if I defend Erica
Speaker 3: Jane or something. So I'm just like this is exhausting.
Speaker 3: But you know, I like that you like to put
Speaker 3: the unpopular opinions out there too. You always defend the villain,
Speaker 3: like we're both Tamera fans, so yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, no.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things where it's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: here to just join the popular vote. If we all
Speaker 2: have the same opinion, that's great, you know, But one
Speaker 2: thing I do, I never try to be on the
Speaker 2: side of like what's correct, Like, oh well everyone feels
Speaker 2: this way and join in. If I disagree, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say it. And it's okay to have a difference of opinions.
Speaker 2: But let's get into the Vandam Pump rules of it all,
Speaker 2: because it has been reported that the show is in
Speaker 2: dire need of a possible reboot or is it a
Speaker 2: cancelation or is it on pause indefinitely?
Speaker 1: And I want to hear from you what is going on.
Speaker 1: We love Vanda Pump rules.
Speaker 2: You know, the show had a second win when the
Speaker 2: scandal all drama of it all happened. Then last season
Speaker 2: I think all of us felt like we're kind of
Speaker 2: tired of little scandaval story that's dominating the storylines and
Speaker 2: we want to see something different and fresh, and based
Speaker 2: on the finale, it did appear that these co stars,
Speaker 2: these cast mates were not in the best place, and
Speaker 2: then at the reunion it was sort of like, oh,
Speaker 2: they don't like each other, so what is going on
Speaker 2: with band the Pump Rules?
Speaker 3: Okay, so they are trying to figure out what to
Speaker 3: do with this show because you know, I did an
Speaker 3: article for Daily Mail and there was a few issues.
Speaker 3: One of them was like, there's some salary stuff, but
Speaker 3: really that's not the main thing. It's like, you can
Speaker 3: always work out salaries. There's so many things you can
Speaker 3: do when people go, well, I'm not going to film
Speaker 3: unless they get this much money. But you know, people
Speaker 3: usually buckle at the eleventh hour, So that's not really
Speaker 3: the main thing. The main thing is just that this
Speaker 3: is a show about a group of friends, and it
Speaker 3: is so fractured at this point. Like it's not just
Speaker 3: like the two people weren't film with each other. It's
Speaker 3: like everybody has splintered off into their own little groups
Speaker 3: and it's just kind of like, how do we organically
Speaker 3: put these people back together. There's going to be resolution
Speaker 3: where they can have fun together, where new storylines can
Speaker 3: come out because everyone has kind of like dug their
Speaker 3: heels in, Like there are so many people on this
Speaker 3: show that are not talking to each other. You know,
Speaker 3: Scandalval really raised everybody's profiles to the point that so
Speaker 3: many of them are just like busy with their own ventures.
Speaker 3: Like even Lala, Like she's on that Amazon freaking live
Speaker 3: every day and she's probably making like good money on that,
Speaker 3: and like you know, Ariana of course is like booked
Speaker 3: and busy with ten different jobs, and Katie's got a
Speaker 3: podcast now and the sandwich shop. I know that James Kennedy,
Speaker 3: I think he actually may have made the most money
Speaker 3: off Scandabal, even more than Ariana, because those DJing gigs
Speaker 3: are so lucrative and he was just playing like he
Speaker 3: was playing just like back to back shows. Like I
Speaker 3: remember I even interviewed him for the season last season
Speaker 3: promo and he was in a hotel room somewhere because literally,
Speaker 3: like when they were not filming, he was off playing
Speaker 3: DJ gigs. So really produces like how do we move forward?
Speaker 3: Do we just bring everybody back and do a barewell
Speaker 3: season and just see what happens? Do we get rid
Speaker 3: of some people, do we bring back some old people?
Speaker 3: Do we completely reboot it. Do we bringing new people
Speaker 3: and they're trying to figure it out. So that's where
Speaker 3: it's at.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Because the show started out, you know, season one, episode
Speaker 2: one of this organic group of people who worked between
Speaker 2: there was Sir Right and the Leablanca.
Speaker 1: Is that is that correct?
Speaker 2: Like those two restaurants, and they were friends, some are friendemies,
Speaker 2: some were sleeping with each other. And Angie Cohen has
Speaker 2: said publicly that when Lisa Banda pub and the producers
Speaker 2: were talking about this show, he was even like, wait,
Speaker 2: this is really happening, and when he saw the people
Speaker 2: obviously great cast, young, And one thing that a lot
Speaker 2: of people may not realize is Bravo took a big
Speaker 2: risk with this show because the height of Bravo back
Speaker 2: in that day was like these shows about middle aged
Speaker 2: women who lived behind the gates and it was Housewives,
Speaker 2: and then you have Million Dollar Listing, which was again
Speaker 2: focused on at that time men, middle aged men with
Speaker 2: these million dollar houses. Doc the Peruke was about a
Speaker 2: group of cast members who lived in a shitty apartment.
Speaker 1: You know. But what we all did when we were
Speaker 1: first starting out.
Speaker 2: They were waiters and hostess and waitresses and they didn't
Speaker 2: have two pennies to rub some of them, and they
Speaker 2: were trying to make it big in Hollywood, right, So
Speaker 2: I want people to know that Bravo took a big
Speaker 2: risk with this show. It paved off, it instantly became
Speaker 2: and what are we like ten years later into this show,
Speaker 2: and like you said earlier, La La is super rich,
Speaker 2: the cats are millionaires. Do you feel like the show
Speaker 2: has lost its plot with the fact that people enjoy
Speaker 2: these twenty somethings who were trying to make it in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and now that they made it in Hollywood, the show
Speaker 2: isn't what people bought into anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, look, every show has to evolve to stay on
Speaker 3: air for that long, especially a reality show, you know,
Speaker 3: because you've got to follow people's reality. I think there
Speaker 3: was a problem for a while where they really kept
Speaker 3: trying to hang on to them working at the bar,
Speaker 3: which they did for a long time. I mean, even
Speaker 3: by like season three, vander Pump Rules was a blockbuster success,
Speaker 3: So it wasn't even realistic at that point for them
Speaker 3: to be working in these restaurants and being you know,
Speaker 3: waiters and waitresses. So at this point it's ridiculous, But
Speaker 3: I do feel like they had moved away from that
Speaker 3: a lot, and then they started leaning into things where
Speaker 3: like the Toms were opening their own bar, and then
Speaker 3: Arianna and Katie were opening their sandwich shop. Also shout
Speaker 3: out to Something about Her. I live near West Hollywood.
Speaker 3: I go to Something about Her all the time. I
Speaker 3: love her. The sandwiches are really good and they're affordable too,
Speaker 3: like you get like a big serving. So for the
Speaker 3: Something about Her haters, honestly like based some good sandwiches.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I think they were evolving the show. I
Speaker 3: think it's fine. It was like as long as these
Speaker 3: were people that do hang out together, it made sense.
Speaker 3: And like this group does know each other because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm in Hollywood now and I'm going out and I
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in the media, so I get invited
Speaker 3: to these things and I'll go to an event and
Speaker 3: it's like I'll see the people from the Valley and
Speaker 3: then Sheen is there and you know, they're interacting and stuff.
Speaker 3: So this is very much a real group. But it's
Speaker 3: just at this point it's like not so much. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's so fractured.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that seems to be the situation.
Speaker 2: Do you think the cast is jealous of the fame
Speaker 2: and notoriety that Arianna has received since the scandal mall scandal.
Speaker 3: I think some of them are to varying degrees.
Speaker 1: Who are some of them?
Speaker 3: You think, Joh I think Lala is jealous, But I
Speaker 3: will say that I think it's completely justifiable that she's
Speaker 3: jealous because it's like Lala and the rest of the
Speaker 3: cast like busted their fucking asses for this show for
Speaker 3: like a decade, putting it all out there, the craziest drama,
Speaker 3: and like it's all come out now that you know
Speaker 3: Arianna and Tom Sandoval when they were together, like they
Speaker 3: were having problems for a really long time, and they
Speaker 3: were putting on like a facade for the cameras, and
Speaker 3: Arianna like really didn't get involved in that much drama,
Speaker 3: like she was doing seasons. I remember where it's like
Speaker 3: her storyline was, I have anxiety and she would like
Speaker 3: go over to like Lisa vander Pump's house have a
Speaker 3: cup of tea, Like she was not doing anything interesting,
Speaker 3: and it was literally at the point where it was like, girl,
Speaker 3: if you were not part of this, like Tom sanderb
Speaker 3: Old package, like you would not be on the show anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's like no shade to Ariana, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I met her out once and she seemed lovely, and
Speaker 3: you know, I'm happy for her success and stuff. I'm
Speaker 3: not like an Ariana hater. But it's just like you
Speaker 3: did not pull your weight on this show where you
Speaker 3: have everybody else that is like cheating and getting into
Speaker 3: these crazy scandals and fighting with each other and throwing
Speaker 3: drinks on each other, like you did not do any
Speaker 3: of that, and it's like she wasn't even you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes some shows will have like the boring cast member
Speaker 3: or the nicest cast member, but they serve like a
Speaker 3: very important purpose, Like maybe they're the one that just
Speaker 3: like cuts through all the bs, like Eileen was so
Speaker 3: great on you know, Beverly Hills for that. They can
Speaker 3: be really insightful.
Speaker 1: I love Eileen. I missed her and I want her
Speaker 1: to come back. Anybody that says send them back in the.
Speaker 2: Mail, or you know the way she used to check
Speaker 2: Brandy when Brandy was like Kyle, I'm sorry, ravedropts, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: like bird, but I gotta talk about this really bad.
Speaker 1: Eileen is such an icon, a legend when Eileen had
Speaker 1: a poker party and Kyle.
Speaker 2: And Brandy had that physical contact where like Brandy like kind.
Speaker 1: Of push Kyle and conflict whatever. And then Brandy is
Speaker 1: reciting a story. I think to Kim, somebody maybe Lisa
Speaker 1: Rena and I Lead listens to the story and.
Speaker 2: Said, girl get a grip like and walked away, like
Speaker 2: Aileen is so underrated. She is a fucking icon, a legend.
Speaker 2: She is so funny and I'm sorry to interrupt your story.
Speaker 3: I just have to say that, no, no, I love that.
Speaker 3: I mean, any chance I can get to slip in,
Speaker 3: and Eileen Davidson mentioned I will. I actually think she's
Speaker 3: one of the top five Beverly Hills housewives ever. She
Speaker 3: was incredible, and she was kind of like the first
Speaker 3: one that was not afraid of Lisa Vanda Pump because
Speaker 3: some of the other girls went against Lisavanda Pump and
Speaker 3: then they would buckle, but like Eileen didn't give a fuck,
Speaker 3: like she went there. She people forget that, like if
Speaker 3: you go back and watch that season, Lisa Rinner is
Speaker 3: kind of trying to like straddle the fence because she
Speaker 3: hadn't fully turned on vander Pump yet, and Eileen was
Speaker 3: kind of the one that's like, no, what vantam pub
Speaker 3: is doing is fucked up. Girl, Like snap out of it.
Speaker 3: And she kind of like got Lisa Rinner to become
Speaker 3: like who she became. So anyway, shout out Eileen, But
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that Ariana was no Eileen. She was
Speaker 3: no Cynthia Bailey, she was no nothing. And I get
Speaker 3: why people would be jealous because it's like, girl, you
Speaker 3: did the least on this show and then became not
Speaker 3: only the biggest star on the show, like one of
Speaker 3: the biggest stars in reality TV period. You are getting
Speaker 3: booked in movies, you were on Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 3: you were hosting Love Island, you were making millions from
Speaker 3: the best social media endorsements. So the jealousy is completely
Speaker 3: fined by me. And I am a fan of La
Speaker 3: LA's as well, because you know, I've always found laa
Speaker 3: kind of annoying. But I feel like that last season
Speaker 3: she was so brave to be the one to put
Speaker 3: her hand up and be like, you know what, I'll
Speaker 3: fucking say what we're all thinking, because we cannot have
Speaker 3: a whole season where every single person on the cast
Speaker 3: is scared to question anything, to do with Oriana just
Speaker 3: because she's a fan favorite. So Lala was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the one that goes who gets cheated
Speaker 3: on and becomes Beyonce. And of course, you know, the
Speaker 3: person that I think that works the hardest on these
Speaker 3: shows is often the most hated on. Like I mean,
Speaker 3: that happened to Lisa Rinna, it's happening to Tamra now,
Speaker 3: Like not to get into all the OC of it all,
Speaker 3: but it's like, girl, I imagine if Alexis and Tamra, like
Speaker 3: imagine they didn't bring Alexis back and Tamra wasn't clocking
Speaker 3: in on this season of OC, like, you wouldn't even
Speaker 3: really have a season. So anyway, shout out to the villains.
Speaker 2: Now, listen, you don't love the villains because they entertainers
Speaker 2: in you guys cannot have every bill and get fired
Speaker 2: from the show. Sean sa Tama judge who I know
Speaker 2: Jock also is a fan of as well. So speaking
Speaker 2: of villains, la La has emerged as this villain only
Speaker 2: because she did what you said. She addressed the elephant
Speaker 2: in the room that we're all dancing around the fact
Speaker 2: that all of us but I'll say it, but we
Speaker 2: all feel this way that this woman has to come
Speaker 2: Beyonce because she got cheated on and the woman who.
Speaker 1: Gave the leads to the show by proxy got cheated
Speaker 1: on by the star.
Speaker 2: Of the show Tom And all of a sudden she's
Speaker 2: getting the main segment on the view where they changed
Speaker 2: the entire set to replicate.
Speaker 1: What was it? Sir?
Speaker 2: I think they tried to replicate it was And the
Speaker 2: whole time with be Goldberg is like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: But I guess this is a big deal. We'll we
Speaker 2: go work in That second was so funny because she's
Speaker 2: sort of like, Okay, so you got cheated on.
Speaker 1: Your boyfriend, got it? What else is Nio like?
Speaker 2: But so so Lala listen to La LA's point, Arianna
Speaker 2: did emerge like you said to become in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: and I have to give it to her. She is
Speaker 2: the biggest starm Bramo like she is in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: She she really is. Not too many people can say
Speaker 2: they're hosting the number one daty show on Peacack, a
Speaker 2: show that has international appeal. She also did a this
Speaker 2: This After Emmy's Fashion you Know special with Nini leaks
Speaker 2: and Justin Silvester on e she was Roxy in Chicago.
Speaker 2: You know, so if you are Laala or the other women,
Speaker 2: you know, Sena, if you are these these these women
Speaker 2: who gave so much personal story to the show, I
Speaker 2: understand why Lalla is frustrated. I too would be frustrated
Speaker 2: if I gave my blood, sweat and tears to the show.
Speaker 2: And now we're forced to see this woman emerge as
Speaker 2: the star. So what we did learn at the reunion
Speaker 2: and what we learned this article is the fact that
Speaker 2: the show is a hit, and allegedly the cast is
Speaker 2: asking for more money, and allegedly your sources is saying
Speaker 2: that the network feels that this show is becoming too
Speaker 2: expensive to even do another season.
Speaker 1: If they're able to do one currently.
Speaker 3: Well, you know they're figuring it out, because you have
Speaker 3: to remember, it's a this is a huge cost, like
Speaker 3: this is a bigger cost than other shows. And with Bravo,
Speaker 3: you go up more money the law longer that you
Speaker 3: stay on the show, and this will go into season
Speaker 3: twelve now, and then people did negotiate pay rises after Scandaval,
Speaker 3: So there's definitely a financial element that they're trying to
Speaker 3: figure out. But again, it all goes back to like
Speaker 3: at the end of like you can always figure out
Speaker 3: financial stuff. Like I know, I'm not going to name
Speaker 3: who it is, but I know that there was a
Speaker 3: cast member a couple of seasons ago who actually was
Speaker 3: demoted and people could but they still were showing up
Speaker 3: like a main But what happened was they were sort
Speaker 3: of thinking, we don't know if this person's bringing enough,
Speaker 3: so they switched them to like a to pay them
Speaker 3: by scene instead of having like a lump sum. So
Speaker 3: it's like they really had to like show up to
Speaker 3: work to earn their paycheck. So there's always like different
Speaker 3: things that they can do with people, but really they're
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to get this group back together.
Speaker 3: And they definitely are auditioning new people because I went
Speaker 3: to an event at SO the other week and one
Speaker 3: of the bartenders was telling my friend about like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, we've done some auditions for this. I'm like
Speaker 3: dying to get on the show, like I've been watching
Speaker 3: it for years, Like you have all these like thirsty
Speaker 3: people that have come and got jobs at least Evanna
Speaker 3: Pump's restaurants now, and they're hoping to be cast. But
Speaker 3: it's like, we don't know yet if it's going to
Speaker 3: be a situation where they keep some of the OG's
Speaker 3: and then just bring in some new people, like you know,
Speaker 3: mix it together. Are they going to do a complete reboot?
Speaker 3: Like they are looking at every single option and just
Speaker 3: like what makes the most sense, because you know, Vana
Speaker 3: Parmon Rules is a great show, and I think that
Speaker 3: it has a certain level of quality to maintain, Like
Speaker 3: I don't think this is just a show that you
Speaker 3: can just like throw down the toilet. So I think
Speaker 3: they're really really trying to get this right because you know,
Speaker 3: you see with some other reboots, some reboots work, like
Speaker 3: with Miami when they kind of did that where they're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's keep some of the ogs and then bring in
Speaker 3: some new people that worked. They've obviously done that with
Speaker 3: Atlanta coming up, which I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 3: some of the stuff I'm hearing about the Atlanta reboots great.
Speaker 3: And then they did it with Ronnie where they did
Speaker 3: a complete recast, which is the worst show in the
Speaker 3: history of Bravo to ever air. So they're trying to
Speaker 3: get it right. Girl, you know it's true.
Speaker 1: Wait, girl, you know it's true.
Speaker 2: Okay, look, look, look, let's have a real conversation talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, and we're going to get back to bad. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about one more thing, and they're going
Speaker 1: to move on. Okay.
Speaker 2: Are you saying to me you consider the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of New York City reboot that is currently in a
Speaker 2: second season.
Speaker 1: You said it's the worst showing Bravo ever.
Speaker 3: In history, Like it is so bad, and I think
Speaker 3: that probably Jenna Lyons may be the worst housewife of
Speaker 3: all time. And the fact they keep trying to guess
Speaker 3: her up, like I could not believe whoever had the
Speaker 3: audacity to give her the tagline of not everyone can
Speaker 3: be Jenna lines, but they can try to be or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, girl, no one wants to be you, Like
Speaker 3: no one knows who you are, Like they tried to
Speaker 3: act like they cast like Donna Tella VERSACEI or something
Speaker 3: on the show. It's like, girl, nobody outside of like
Speaker 3: New York Fashion Circles that was reading the cut ten
Speaker 3: years ago knows who you are. And like no, Shade,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're a talented design of a Like please
Speaker 3: stop trying to pretend that we just cast like Carl
Speaker 3: Lagerfeld or like Mark Jacobs, like girl you designed for
Speaker 3: what was it? Like The Gap or Jay Crew or
Speaker 3: something like twenty years ago, and then you bring nothing
Speaker 3: to the show, Like she's so scared of drama. I
Speaker 3: feel like she sits in the corner like chattering her teeth,
Speaker 3: terrified to even say anything. And it's just a horrible
Speaker 3: show like it is. I can't think of like one
Speaker 3: to quote Eileen. I can't think of one nice thing
Speaker 3: to fucking say about it, like it's just so bad,
Speaker 3: And can we talk about the last episode? Actually, I
Speaker 3: need an to this because you are I need to
Speaker 3: get your thoughts. Did you watch the do you watch
Speaker 3: the last episode?
Speaker 2: Okay, now, okay, I'm gonna be very honest with you,
Speaker 2: because I'm honest with my rain drops Johns, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest with you. I watched all of the episodes,
Speaker 2: plus the two par reunion of the reboot season one,
Speaker 2: like well, the first season of the reboot.
Speaker 1: I watch every episode. I too, and.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna answer questions, but I gotta get some context.
Speaker 2: I watch every episode the two ParvE reunion. I was
Speaker 2: intrigued by them, and I liked them.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in love with the show. I thought it
Speaker 1: was amazing.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, great effort, I'll watch it. And
Speaker 2: I watched it in its entirety. I never understood the
Speaker 2: high with Jenna Alliance, and this is the thing for me. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's not Jennaaliant's fault that they are ushering her to
Speaker 2: be seen as like this amazing cast that we, you know,
Speaker 2: got on the show.
Speaker 1: I really think listen, in my opinion, I think.
Speaker 2: Jenna Lince is sort of like, I'm not doing this,
Speaker 2: Like I think jennaal Lliance has a enough common sense
Speaker 2: to know I'm a big deal in the fashion world,
Speaker 2: and the people in the fashion world loved me and
Speaker 2: adore me. This is reality television, and the Housewives audience
Speaker 2: they want to look at tamer Judge, Kyle Richards, you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, the leanne Lockins of them, like you
Speaker 2: want to see people here, like really push the envelope.
Speaker 1: And I even think she knows in this space, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not a big deal to this audience and I and
Speaker 2: I don't see the hype in her. So season the
Speaker 2: second season of the reboot is up, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: let me watch the premiere.
Speaker 1: I saw the trailer and I was like, I'll watch
Speaker 1: the premiere, right.
Speaker 2: So I'm watching the premiere of the second season of
Speaker 2: the reboot of New York City, and job, after maybe
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, I stopped watching it, and and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest with.
Speaker 1: You, I said to myself, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I and again, I watch all of last season, and
Speaker 2: I did care what I saw, And I want to
Speaker 2: get your opinion on this because you're watching it. What
Speaker 2: I saw in the first twenty minutes were all they're
Speaker 2: conscious of the cameras now because the New York New
Speaker 2: Yorkers are savvy people, right, the New Yorkers are known
Speaker 2: to be savvy and very much awhere was going on.
Speaker 2: And I felt like their first season was great because
Speaker 2: you know, they were being themselves and they didn't.
Speaker 3: Know like, Okay, no great, Well.
Speaker 1: I said, not great, but watchable?
Speaker 3: Well, so kind I watch all of it.
Speaker 2: So the second second the second season of the ReFood,
Speaker 2: and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just didn't care.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no major storyline. You all are talking
Speaker 2: about photoshooting and see.
Speaker 1: And said, I have something's going on. I don't give
Speaker 1: a shit.
Speaker 2: So I to answer your question, I haven't seen any
Speaker 2: episodes this season now on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I've heard some things, but ask your question.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I was going to say you have a
Speaker 3: correct assessment because they I mean, I think there were
Speaker 3: camera aware season one, like they were very aware. This season.
Speaker 3: It is to another level where the real show is
Speaker 3: completely happening off camera. This is a show about nothing.
Speaker 3: They said Seinfeld was a show about nothing. The Rony
Speaker 3: reboot is a show about nothing. And what they just
Speaker 3: did on the latest episode and I could not believe
Speaker 3: that they aired this, And as a producer, I want
Speaker 3: to get your take is I mean, it was the
Speaker 3: worst episode, not again. Nothing was happening, and then Uber
Speaker 3: was like angry about something kind of didn't make sense
Speaker 3: and it was ridiculous. And then they showed this clip
Speaker 3: at the end where Brin and then Rebecca Minkoff, the
Speaker 3: scientologist who doesn't want to talk about scientology, which is
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing about her, and they're sitting there
Speaker 3: and Brinn says something like, girl, I can't believe you
Speaker 3: brought like, you know, three whole suitcases on the trip
Speaker 3: and you haven't even changed your outfit yet, and Rebecca
Speaker 3: was just like, yeah, you know, I'm in fashion, like
Speaker 3: I travel with a lot of stuff. And then Brinn
Speaker 3: was like, girl, like, if I say something like that
Speaker 3: to you, you need to like throw it back to
Speaker 3: me and be like, well, I work in fashion and
Speaker 3: you sell merchant Bravo can't. And Rebecca's like, oh, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm not really a mean girl like that.
Speaker 3: And Brinn's like, well, you're not gonna last long in
Speaker 3: this group if you don't do that, Like, come on, girl.
Speaker 4: So they showed her coaching that air her to have
Speaker 4: they aired it, and I was shocked because I'm like, wait,
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: I'm like, did they air this because they just have
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing going on on this show that that's the
Speaker 3: only interesting thing they can show or are they almost
Speaker 3: just like you know what, like I don't even know
Speaker 3: if we're going to fucking bring this show back off
Speaker 3: to this year. Nothing's everything's happening off camera. Let's just
Speaker 3: let's just throw them under the bus and do it. Like,
Speaker 3: what do you why would they air that as a
Speaker 3: producer showing people concocting fights on camera.
Speaker 1: Oh, honey, Houston, Well, in this case, New York. We
Speaker 1: have a problem. Ah my.
Speaker 2: Nine times out of ten is what you said in
Speaker 2: the former nothing's happening, and this is what drama they
Speaker 2: can show you. Obviously, there's tons of breaking the fourth
Speaker 2: wall moments that happens on these shows that you do
Speaker 2: air because a it's fucking good and interesting and read
Speaker 2: the audience love A forth the wall being broken when
Speaker 2: it's something interesting that's about to happen, or when you.
Speaker 5: Unveil like no, girl, you told me this to get
Speaker 5: her like the camera shit and and friendship debacle over
Speaker 5: the receipts of the text messages of the fourth wall
Speaker 5: being broken.
Speaker 1: Investigate this person. We could talk about it on camera
Speaker 1: like that's interesting and and and and you.
Speaker 2: See that in result of it, by this big fight,
Speaker 2: Shannon Lee takes up my thought or whatever to have
Speaker 2: that love conversation about clothes.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but not only to it's it's a different
Speaker 3: kind of fall fall break because it's not like, well
Speaker 3: you said this soft camera to set me up. It's
Speaker 3: literally like, girl, we need to have a fake fight,
Speaker 3: so something happens on this show, like to break it
Speaker 3: to that level as like never been done before. I
Speaker 3: was like you're almost like tanking the entire network, like
Speaker 3: this is beyond showing how the sausage is made, like
Speaker 3: this is crazy, like you cannot hit this shocked down the.
Speaker 1: Air and I'm curious to see you. So that was
Speaker 1: that a cliffhanger that ended the episode.
Speaker 3: No, So it was interesting. So they kind of slid
Speaker 3: in there and it was kind of subtle, and they
Speaker 3: I don't think they had the cameras on them when
Speaker 3: they did it, so I think that they thought that
Speaker 3: they were that they could have that without it being
Speaker 3: but you know, obviously they're on the hot mic. But
Speaker 3: then another they get into another fight that's about an
Speaker 3: off camera thing. So they all go to bed and
Speaker 3: then they're recounting in their confessionals because of course nobody
Speaker 3: does anything on camera on this fucking snooze festiv a show.
Speaker 3: And what had happened is like Uber's been like charging
Speaker 3: through the house like I mean, she's on, she's just
Speaker 3: like she's loopy. It's like hard to figure her out.
Speaker 3: And then you know Brin who is you know, she's biracial,
Speaker 3: which she revealed last season. They're talking off camera and
Speaker 3: Brinn was like, girl, like you need to like chill,
Speaker 3: because you're going to come off like the angry black woman.
Speaker 3: You look crazy, and you're gonna look like the angry
Speaker 3: black woman on this show this you know German banker
Speaker 3: Oliver that your dating is going to leave you when
Speaker 3: they see this played back. You look crazy girl?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: And then Uber apparently, but this all happens off camera
Speaker 3: and they're telling you what happened in the confessionals because
Speaker 3: obviously the producers must have sins like you know what
Speaker 3: is going on now, like Uber, like why are you
Speaker 3: out at Brin or something? And they've had to like
Speaker 3: drag it out of them to like say this in
Speaker 3: their confessionals. So then they told the story about how
Speaker 3: they had to fight about that, and then that's what
Speaker 3: the cliffhanger kind of is.
Speaker 1: Ooh so Brin, Brin, You're okay.
Speaker 2: So if that happened in the same episode and Brent
Speaker 2: did two things to show that she has these off
Speaker 2: camera conversations. Brian, you're the villain of season and you're
Speaker 2: being exposed. This is this season may be the exposed
Speaker 2: exposure of brn it seems like, and what's funny.
Speaker 1: Is out of the whole cast, I like Brent a
Speaker 1: lot last.
Speaker 2: Season because she was like kind of refreshing to me, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she's wacky, she's funny, she's still like whatever. I think
Speaker 2: you're right. I think it goes to show you that
Speaker 2: nothing's happened. Nothing's happening.
Speaker 1: They had to do this so interesting is.
Speaker 2: Cy was on Jeff Lewis show before the season premiere,
Speaker 2: You're shaking your head right, and she was called a
Speaker 2: hot mic when somebody asked her like, how's this season
Speaker 2: and she said that.
Speaker 1: Quote kind of boring And I remember.
Speaker 2: Watching that like cast member saying it in that way, like.
Speaker 3: And she even said in that they were like, how's
Speaker 3: the new girl, Rebecca, and she was like, Oh, she's
Speaker 3: kind of boring, and like we're trying to you know,
Speaker 3: people are trying to activate her, but she's not biting,
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to get it to go, and she's
Speaker 3: not doing it. And then on top of that, Rebecca
Speaker 3: Minkoff in one of her press interviews for the show,
Speaker 3: she said, oh, I suggested to Jenna Lyons that we
Speaker 3: have a like that we stage a fight about who's
Speaker 3: the most fashionable. And then Jenna Lyons was like, girl,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing nothing.
Speaker 1: You buy.
Speaker 3: So it's just a whole lot of like, it's a
Speaker 3: show about people that are trying to create a fake show,
Speaker 3: is what this show is about.
Speaker 1: Now that's not good, child.
Speaker 2: We are just getting started. This is reality with the
Speaker 2: King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Jock, well, I'm telling you me.
Speaker 2: Watching the first twenty minutes of this current season, the
Speaker 2: premiere event, I'm just like, I'm not into it.
Speaker 1: And I thought like, well, maybe you're tired and it
Speaker 1: just having a bad day. But I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel the urge to watch it, Like I'm
Speaker 2: watching OC every week, like standing appointment, like I'm at drybar,
Speaker 2: like get my hair done, like I need it.
Speaker 1: I need it in my life. Right, I'm watching that religiously.
Speaker 2: I don't care to watch New York City and apparently
Speaker 2: I'm not missing anything.
Speaker 1: So do you think.
Speaker 2: That, based on what sounds to me like not a
Speaker 2: great season of New York City Housewives, do you think
Speaker 2: that the network may be a little careful with the
Speaker 2: fate of what Vanda par Rules can be because it
Speaker 2: goes to show you that you can't get rid of
Speaker 2: everybody and starting to show, and you may do your
Speaker 2: best working with the Vanda per Rules cast to figure
Speaker 2: it out. Because one thing that the Daily Mail you
Speaker 2: know you guys stated was that allegedly, before Scandalball happened,
Speaker 2: it was going to be one final season of Vanda
Speaker 2: par Rules, and that allegedly the Two Times were going
Speaker 2: to have a spin off about Tom Tom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, they've been trying to do different things, like if
Speaker 3: people know their Bravo history, like The Valley was supposed
Speaker 3: to happen years ago. What they were going to do
Speaker 3: was they were going to spin off like star Cy
Speaker 3: Jacks Kristen, like the vander pump Ogs, put them on
Speaker 3: their own show, which ended up becoming The Valley, and
Speaker 3: then Redo Vander Pump Wiles with the whole new bunch
Speaker 3: of twenty somethings. And then when like COVID and BLM
Speaker 3: and all the cancelations happened, then that got put on
Speaker 3: Ice and then they were looking at doing like a
Speaker 3: Tom Tom so the Tom Tom's spin off. So they've
Speaker 3: been exploring a lot of different options. They're still looking
Speaker 3: at potentially like even maybe doing two shows. It's like
Speaker 3: everything is on the table and it's just it's like
Speaker 3: putting a puzzle together of just like how do we
Speaker 3: get the best product out there and make this work. Personally,
Speaker 3: I kind of think that I think they should maybe
Speaker 3: get rid of Ariana, which I know she's the biggest star,
Speaker 3: but I think they could do it in a way
Speaker 3: where Arianna still gets to look good. Arianna can just say, look,
Speaker 3: I'm so busy at hosting Love Island and doing all
Speaker 3: these other things. I'm just going to take a break
Speaker 3: from them a pump for now, and then, you know,
Speaker 3: if Katie wants to not come, I mean I would
Speaker 3: hire even though Katie's very popular now at the moment,
Speaker 3: I think Katie had a really great season, so I
Speaker 3: do think she's like needed. But Katie also doesn't seem
Speaker 3: to want to film with certain people. So I would
Speaker 3: maybe hire Katie back as like a friend, and they'd
Speaker 3: be like, girl, if you can like mix with the
Speaker 3: group and everything, and it's like, we'll just upgrade you
Speaker 3: back to like full time, like within a few weeks
Speaker 3: of filming or something, but let's just see how it goes.
Speaker 3: But I would take Ariana out because I feel like
Speaker 3: everybody else can put their shit aside and film together
Speaker 3: and then i'd put a few new people in there
Speaker 3: and I would just do it like that and I
Speaker 3: would see how it goes, and if it's not working,
Speaker 3: then I don't know, make it a farewell season, and
Speaker 3: I don't know produce it on the fly a bit,
Speaker 3: but we do need another season. And I think last
Speaker 3: season was actually good. I know a lot of people
Speaker 3: hated it, and you were mentioning before as well that
Speaker 3: like people watched it and they were like, we're a
Speaker 3: bit sick of Scandabal, which is true. But it's like
Speaker 3: production had no choice other than to produce the show
Speaker 3: like that because Scandival was the biggest reality TV scandal
Speaker 3: in like ten years pretty much, and you couldn't just
Speaker 3: do a season where you're not addressing it. It's the
Speaker 3: biggest thing ever. So it's like they were damned if
Speaker 3: they did, damned if they didn't. And I think they
Speaker 3: did the best. I think they did the best job
Speaker 3: they could. And I actually found the season very interesting
Speaker 3: because I could I could understand where everybody was coming from.
Speaker 3: It's like, I can see why Ariana is really upset
Speaker 3: that people aren't all having her back. I see where
Speaker 3: Tom's coming from. I see why Sheen is kind of
Speaker 3: like jealous, Like I felt like it was very interesting,
Speaker 3: and I think with viewers of reality television, especially with Bravo,
Speaker 3: what the audience tends to do is it's so hardcore,
Speaker 3: like we're just team this person and we hate that
Speaker 3: other person. But for me, when I watch Vanda Probabol's
Speaker 3: last year, I'm like, I can see everybody's perspective. I
Speaker 3: don't find one person to be specifically bad. So I
Speaker 3: think the s and it's a really great cost, Like
Speaker 3: that is a good cost. So you just have to
Speaker 3: figure out how to get them together, whether it's bringing
Speaker 3: in some new paople or not, and keep going. So
Speaker 3: I definitely would not get rid of the show yet.
Speaker 3: And the ratings are still good too.
Speaker 1: That's yes, the ratings were still solid. It was definitely
Speaker 1: still solid, and I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think, listen what I would do if it was
Speaker 2: my show, I would make Ariana part time because you
Speaker 2: want to see like the resolve of her and Tom.
Speaker 1: Listen, we all want to see her and La La
Speaker 1: go at it, right.
Speaker 2: I do think Arianna has I've grown the show too,
Speaker 2: and I think let her continue to host the number
Speaker 2: one dating show Peacock. It's a great gig for her,
Speaker 2: let her experience everything she wants to experience outside of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Because listen, I was.
Speaker 2: Hard on her last season because I'm like, okay, girl,
Speaker 2: like film with Tom, like film with him, Like it's
Speaker 2: not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: But she feels that uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Then it's like, Okay, we heard Ulama, clear, there's other
Speaker 2: things you can do. She's hosting Erich Harpet event, so
Speaker 2: she will still be in the Bravo family in VC Universal,
Speaker 2: so she still has ways to make money. But I
Speaker 2: definitely would face her out of this season. I think
Speaker 2: the cast she doesn't want to be with them, and
Speaker 2: if they don't want to hang out with her, I
Speaker 2: think La La Tom, Tom, Sheena. You know, I think
Speaker 2: the rest of the casts are able to sort of
Speaker 2: like have a relationship.
Speaker 1: James Kennedy, who I just love.
Speaker 2: I think he's such a great reality star because he
Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: And that was the beauty of Ben the Poor Rules.
Speaker 2: It was a group of kids who just didn't give
Speaker 2: a fuck, and they were so honest and so raw
Speaker 2: and so real. I would love to see that cast return,
Speaker 2: mixed in with some new blood that can really shake
Speaker 2: this tree. So I agree with you with that. We
Speaker 2: don't want to reboot, so don't do that to This
Speaker 2: show is a great brand, is a huge show. The
Speaker 2: ratings are great based on what's happening in New York City. Yikes.
Speaker 2: But good news is the Real Housewise of Billy Hills
Speaker 2: is returning, and I don't know about your job. That
Speaker 2: trailer you get to see the old dereet and I'm
Speaker 2: a happy, happy, happy camper. Okay.
Speaker 3: I have to say that I didn't love the trailer,
Speaker 3: but I think the reason I didn't love it was
Speaker 3: because I've heard all the tea about the new season,
Speaker 3: and I can tell you that the trailer does not
Speaker 3: even capture what we're about to see, and I know
Speaker 3: that that is scratching the surface of Deree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's good thing. Okay, So we have
Speaker 1: a lot to look forward too. So no, don't fail
Speaker 1: us what you've heard.
Speaker 2: But are you confirming exclusively on reality with the King
Speaker 2: that this upcoming season of the Real Housewives of Billy
Speaker 2: Hills is going to be explosive?
Speaker 3: Deree came to play Deriet has a very unexpected friendship
Speaker 3: with someone on the show it is, girl, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you some tea off my ce gag you'll die. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be good.
Speaker 1: I'm hard on Dure, so I listen. John.
Speaker 2: I said this on Twitter maybe a year or too ago,
Speaker 2: that Dried is the perfect example of somebody who was
Speaker 2: fantastic their first season and second in fact, and then
Speaker 2: social media got ahold of her and I said she
Speaker 2: was never the same after being villainized on social media.
Speaker 2: People hated her and I'm like, where is my deriy?
Speaker 2: I loved her? So are we going to see old
Speaker 2: dur return? Because my favorite moment of Derey is when
Speaker 2: she told me, Sabrina, back up, if I could smell
Speaker 2: your breath, you're too close.
Speaker 1: Back up.
Speaker 3: I hear that we're getting old to eat back like
Speaker 3: it's the It's bigger than her first season. It's like
Speaker 3: it's next level to eat. And I have to say
Speaker 3: to defend Deitt, I agree that she had a few
Speaker 3: years where I'm like, girl, she needs to get fired.
Speaker 3: And I really hate her fashion. It's so contrived and
Speaker 3: I really didn't like her leaning on her you know,
Speaker 3: head to toe Gucci logo, Marlo Hampton outfits. But I
Speaker 3: feel like Marlo Hampton pulls off the looks so much better.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like the clothes really wear to Eat,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like I feel like Marlow
Speaker 3: like makes it work and it's like yes, girl, But
Speaker 3: I just feel like Dereat I never got it. But
Speaker 3: I really started to like to Eat last season because
Speaker 3: I felt like she was one of the only ones
Speaker 3: that wasn't scared of Garcel. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's just because she is in such a bubble that
Speaker 3: she almost didn't care, but I you know, you can
Speaker 3: tell that a lot of these other girls are scared
Speaker 3: to come against Garcel because you know, they all saw
Speaker 3: what happened to Kyle that first season with them when
Speaker 3: she brought up the charity that suddenly she was, you know,
Speaker 3: in the KKK or something. So these girls don't want
Speaker 3: to like mention Garseell because she will like bring that up,
Speaker 3: and she did bring it up with Dared, but darit
Speaker 3: still like sat there and took it and took the
Speaker 3: like you're a Karen and everything. So I was kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh, I already feel like Dari's starting to
Speaker 3: be like, you know, fuck this, Like if this is
Speaker 3: my opinion, I'm going to say it, and now I
Speaker 3: know that this next season, she's just like she's going
Speaker 3: after everyone. I think she gets into it with Garsel,
Speaker 3: with Kyle obviously, and I know the husband's film a lot,
Speaker 3: so we're going to see a lot of all these
Speaker 3: you know, the personal relationships with everybody, Like it's all there.
Speaker 2: If y'all to see my face right now, I'm smiling
Speaker 2: from here to hear I listen. Is the reason why
Speaker 2: I'm very particular about what I consume, because I don't
Speaker 2: want to watch shit for the sake of watching it. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm a busy guy, have a lot going on. So
Speaker 2: when I take time to sell to my couch and
Speaker 2: give you forty two minutes of my time, meg it
Speaker 2: worth it? Oh see is doing for me this season?
Speaker 2: Billy Hills is one of my favorite shows. It consistently delivers.
Speaker 2: Last season wasn't that great.
Speaker 1: But I watched every season because I'm not.
Speaker 2: Season every episode because I really was just into like
Speaker 2: Kyle and Mauricio's situation. I'm so looking forward to this
Speaker 2: upcoming season that airs November nineteenth. It's it's it's such
Speaker 2: a phenomenal show. But before I let you go, I
Speaker 2: need to ask you the most pressing question. What's that?
Speaker 1: Are you team Tamra or team jin.
Speaker 3: I okay, I team both of them, because I think
Speaker 3: I think that I'm team both of them. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm definitely my Housewives. Ing has shifted a lot where
Speaker 3: I can really see where everyone comes from. But I
Speaker 3: just have to say, people need to lay off Tamera
Speaker 3: because come on, allegedly Ryan is. You know, I think
Speaker 3: Tama's right about a lot of stuff. The people don't
Speaker 3: like the delivery, and I think the truth hurts. And
Speaker 3: you know, I've heard a lot of things about Shannon
Speaker 3: over the years, and you probably heard a lot of
Speaker 3: things about Shannon too, from many different sources. And I
Speaker 3: it is, you know, a twist of fate that somehow
Speaker 3: Shannon became the most loved person on this show again.
Speaker 3: I mean, she is just so lucky that Alexis came back.
Speaker 3: By the way, I ran into Alexis at a party
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago. She was lovely, I was getting
Speaker 3: all the tea. I feel so bad for her, and
Speaker 3: I know that they're trying to figure out what to
Speaker 3: do with Alexis because I know they want to bring
Speaker 3: her back. But they're also like, how can we bring
Speaker 3: Shannon And they're trying to figure that out as well,
Speaker 3: like they're trying to figure out with vander Prong rules.
Speaker 3: But yes, I think I'm team Tamara.
Speaker 1: Okay, now miss it. I love Tamara. She's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine.
Speaker 2: I spoke to her recently as well. And listen, Tamra's
Speaker 2: doing well. And I will say this, I would want
Speaker 2: the audience to always share their opinion, whether it's good
Speaker 2: or bad. That's what makes this sort of like process
Speaker 2: works for us right when were producing shows. But I
Speaker 2: would say that, just know that somebody can appear to
Speaker 2: be tough on camera, but you could be very fragile
Speaker 2: behind the scenes when you are getting attacked.
Speaker 1: Just listen, and I want my audience to understand this.
Speaker 2: These women on these shows can handle being attacked by
Speaker 2: their castmates because it's like five to six people that
Speaker 2: you have to deal with, right, Multiply that by a thousand,
Speaker 2: and you're dealing with that with strangers.
Speaker 1: It is a lot.
Speaker 2: And what I want to encourage the fandom is is
Speaker 2: one thousand percent they don't care to have an opinion
Speaker 2: stated like and mean it it's all good.
Speaker 1: However, say it once and move on.
Speaker 2: Is when you constantly labor it to where someone I
Speaker 2: feel bad for alexis to you know as well.
Speaker 1: She has cut off her comments.
Speaker 2: For months because she can't handle it, and nor is
Speaker 2: she supposed to handle. That's sort of this raw from
Speaker 2: from the audience. It's it's it's what you sign up for, yes,
Speaker 2: but no one signs up to be bullied. When a
Speaker 2: child goes to school, he may be aware that things
Speaker 2: may happen, but nobody signs up to be bullied and
Speaker 2: have to take it and say, well, suck it up.
Speaker 1: And I want people to look look.
Speaker 2: At that when it comes to the reality stars, like, yes, okay, Tim,
Speaker 2: I may not be the most love and that's fine,
Speaker 2: but have some grace for a woman who is providing
Speaker 2: us with some great time television. And we saw what
Speaker 2: a season was like with our camera and I don't
Speaker 2: ever want to see that again.
Speaker 3: People need to remember always this is a television show. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's well, sometimes it's real. Sometimes it's not. As we're
Speaker 3: seeing on Roney, they're there trying to stage fight. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot that goes into reality television. There's there's
Speaker 3: editing there, there is so much, and yeah, I wish
Speaker 3: people would kind of lay off with the hate towards
Speaker 3: certain cast members, and then you do run these really
Speaker 3: great people off the shows, and then the shows end
Speaker 3: up flopping and being awful because we got rid of people.
Speaker 3: And it's just like crazy, how quickly the audience can change.
Speaker 3: Because even if you go back to Vanda promt Rules,
Speaker 3: Larla was actually very popular for a while and then
Speaker 3: from the last season it and she's suddenly the most
Speaker 3: absolutely the most hated. And then Katie Maloney was kind
Speaker 3: of the opposite. Everyone thought she was just this boring
Speaker 3: nag that had like no charisma and was, you know,
Speaker 3: always raining on Schwartz's parade, and now she's like a
Speaker 3: fan favorite. And when they fired Tamera, everyone was like,
Speaker 3: we need Tamera back, this is so bad. Then as
Speaker 3: soon as they bring Tamera back, then they all hate
Speaker 3: her again. So it's just like, let's just chill out
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's fine, I have your opinion, but you know,
Speaker 3: you don't need to be like dming these people and
Speaker 3: like leaving hate comments on their pages and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: They're all they're trying to entertain you and just watch
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Speaker 1: Yes, and that also goes from me and Jock.
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