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Speaker 1: Bold reverence and occasionally random The Sunday Hang With podcast.

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Speaker 2: It starts now.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you can give us an update here.

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Speaker 1: So you put out a bet, so to speak, that

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Speaker 1: a million dollars of your money up against a Was

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Speaker 1: it a WNBA player specifically or yeah?

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Speaker 2: So what happened was I said that I thought a

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Speaker 2: boys high school, like back in February, a state champion

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Speaker 2: boys high school team, I said, I thought, would beat,

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Speaker 2: you know, in a big state. You know, I was saying,

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Speaker 2: not like North Dakota or Rhode Island or something like that,

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Speaker 2: like Texas, California, New York, a state with a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, even my home state of Tennessee, would beat

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Speaker 2: the WNBA champions And that thing went viral and one

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Speaker 2: of the members of the WNBA championship team, I guess

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Speaker 2: it's the Las Vegas Aces called me a dumb ass,

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Speaker 2: and so look.

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Speaker 1: Is our favorite WNBA franchise, to be fair, because it's

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Speaker 1: the only one I could name off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head right now.

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas Aces player call me a dumbass. Now, a

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there may be saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: what is a good argument there? My wife agrees on

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Speaker 2: some level that it could be fair to call me

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Speaker 2: a dumbass. But I said, okay, I'll put my money

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Speaker 2: where my mouth is. Las Vegas A says, you put

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Speaker 2: up a million dollars WNBA would be the most watched

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Speaker 2: WNBA game of all time. I'll put up a million

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Speaker 2: dollars on behalf of a boys high school state championship

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Speaker 2: team that I will select. Whichever team wins gets a

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Speaker 2: million dollars. Now, the WNBA players, they say they're always underpaid.

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Speaker 2: It's a big part of the Britney Grinder story. Oh

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Speaker 2: she had to go to Russia because she doesn't get

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Speaker 2: paid enough money equal pay equark. Okay, a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's more than almost the whole team makes in a year.

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Speaker 2: And if they win, they get a million dollars in

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Speaker 2: my money. If they lose, I said, they give a

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Speaker 2: million dollars, or the WNBA or their owner, whoever it is,

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Speaker 2: gives a million dollars to this boys high school team

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Speaker 2: that I would win that bet and I would give

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Speaker 2: it to him. So this company bet Online reached out

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Speaker 2: to me and they said, hey, we'll put up the

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Speaker 2: million dollars on behalf of this WNBA team. All they

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Speaker 2: have to do is go out and win a basketball

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Speaker 2: game now, and they'll get a million dollars. All they

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Speaker 2: have to do is beat a team of high school

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Speaker 2: state champion boys that I would pick. They won't take

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Speaker 2: the challenge.

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Speaker 1: I want to throw one more out there. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: if they said, I'll take you up on this, but

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Speaker 1: only if you, Clay Travis, are one of the starters

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Speaker 1: and have to stay on the floor, have to stay

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Speaker 1: on the floor for at least half.

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Speaker 2: The game against the WNBAS well. So what I would

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Speaker 2: suggest if they first of all, I mean, look, do

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Speaker 2: you think that I'm, as a showman, not going to

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Speaker 2: do that. I would say that the smart strategy would

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Speaker 2: be to play me for like third seconds as a starter,

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Speaker 2: then let all of these high school champion boys just

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Speaker 2: absolutely obliterate them and then bring me in in mop

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Speaker 2: up duty, right Like, I think the guys that I

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Speaker 2: would pick would win by thirty plus play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got you know, you got old man's strength.

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Speaker 1: You could box out. You know, you could probably throw

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Speaker 1: some elbows in the pain. I bet you could cause

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Speaker 1: some noise.

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Speaker 2: You know. You know what's funny, Buck you mentioned that

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Speaker 2: is my twelve year old. Last year, they didn't have

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Speaker 2: enough basketball players to do a scrimmage, so they needed

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Speaker 2: a dad to go in and get in where I

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Speaker 2: would pay for this. I ran. I ran a game,

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Speaker 2: five on five. I was the grown adult, you know,

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Speaker 2: playing against the twelve year olds. They're about to be thirteen.

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Speaker 2: They're pretty good, by the way, pretty good basketball talent. Uh.

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Speaker 2: The worst part I would say of my performance was

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Speaker 2: I ran out to challenge a shot, ran out to

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Speaker 2: I mean, just did you, Gavin dow some one of

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Speaker 2: these kids, did you just like like like well, I

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Speaker 2: was running to try to challenge the shot, and uh,

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Speaker 2: and I think he passed and I did not control

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Speaker 2: my body. Well, so I just I mean I hit him.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a twelve year old kid, you know

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Speaker 2: I wished.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, think about think about the media eyed headline Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis obliterates twelve year old on basketball court.

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Speaker 2: You know, great. I think I performed pretty well against

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Speaker 2: I most importantly did not pull any hamstrings or twist

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Speaker 2: and uh, the kids. I'll be honest with you, they

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Speaker 2: talked a lot of trash against me. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that they respected my game on an elite level. So uh,

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Speaker 2: yeah I would. I don't think it would be very

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Speaker 2: fun to watch me play. I'm an okay, if they.

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Speaker 1: Try to up the a andy a little bit here,

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Speaker 1: you know, they try to get a little a little more,

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Speaker 1: I mean, throw a little spice into things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would play. I mean, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: think i'd look great in the uniform or anything, especially

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Speaker 2: not out there going back to short shorts.

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Speaker 1: But it also goes to you know, your your six

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Speaker 1: foot tall male and you know that's there are very

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Speaker 1: I mean how many how many.

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Speaker 2: The tallest woman on the w NBA championship team because

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Speaker 2: I went and looked at their roster as six ' four,

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Speaker 2: that's what I say. I mean, you'd basically be like

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Speaker 2: a center out there. Yeah, there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: high school teams that are good that would have you know,

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the video of that comedian who

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Speaker 1: tried to dunk and and managed to both.

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Speaker 2: I think I think.

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Speaker 1: He like broke like ripped his like ripped his achilles

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Speaker 1: tendon and his a c Ellison you know I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: No, I was trying to dunk off like just a

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Speaker 2: normal running jump.

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Speaker 1: Tom he was on he was on the Rogan podcast

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Speaker 2: So he must have been able to dunk pretty easily

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Speaker 2: when he was young, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess I don't think. I don't think at all. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he was ever. I think they just kind

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Speaker 1: of dared him. And you know, he's like us, He's

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Speaker 1: a week he's a weekend warrior at best. That guy's

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Speaker 1: think they make the rim eight or nine feet Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: and and he tried, and he like catastrophically injured himself.

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Speaker 2: So just just.

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Speaker 1: A reminder all the weekend warrior dads out there, stretch.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen and the ladies. Make sure you stretch those hammies,

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Speaker 1: make sure you stretch. Out those calves.

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Speaker 2: There would be a lot of people rooting if I

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Speaker 2: were in that game, for me to be severely injured,

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Speaker 2: there'd be a lot of people want the Achilles the eight,

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Speaker 2: so they'd want something happening.

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Speaker 1: If you're if your jump shot got furiously rejected by

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Speaker 1: a w NBA player out there on the floor, twenty

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Speaker 1: million views on Twitter if we get that video, say

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Speaker 1: at least maybe one hundred.

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Speaker 2: I don't every every opinion that I ever gave for

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Speaker 2: the rest of my life, the first response would be

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Speaker 2: me getting swatted by the would.

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Speaker 1: Be it would be like a top story on ESPN

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Speaker 1: for a few days. I think as well, they'd have

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Speaker 1: to they'd have to forget about actual college at professional

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Speaker 1: athletics and just so Clay getting getting swatted.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm just throwing this idea out there.

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Speaker 1: If they want to up the anti Clay, they got

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Speaker 1: to start Clay Travis with the high school boys team

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Speaker 1: against the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: Those poor high school boys. Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we got into how the Marvel movie

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Speaker 1: has a Marvel's has bombed, which we should discuss a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Yes, the worst worst opening for a Marvel

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Speaker 2: How many Marvel movies have you seen, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Like less than three? I think I mean very few.

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Speaker 1: This is I mean, I grew up reading comic books. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just think most of the Marvel Universe movies are

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Speaker 1: just like like Aliens flying around New York City going

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Speaker 2: I've seen almost all. We'll get into this and I

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Speaker 2: have I have pissed off like half the planet. Well

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Speaker 2: that's okay. The boys, I mean when you have young kids,

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Speaker 2: I was a kid, I probably like them. Yes, I've

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Speaker 2: seen every pretty much Marvel movie. I like some superhero movies.

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Speaker 1: Well, so to be fair, if you're talking about Iron Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm a superhero guy. I just think the Marvel universe

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Speaker 1: turned into it. It's just too many and there's like

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Speaker 1: no story and it's too much cgi. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: listen to me. Then there's something else too. You see

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Speaker 1: that they've cast Denzel Washington as Hannibal in a Netflix movie. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've been wondering when somebody the Second Punic War is

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Speaker 1: one of the most amazing stories.

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Speaker 2: In all of military history.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hannibal Barka with a blood oath from from childhood,

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Speaker 1: the elephants died. But you have to read Livy's history

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Speaker 1: Lake Trasimani and Kenny and all these other Kenna people

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Speaker 1: a movie coming out of Ridley Scott, which looks really good,

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Speaker 2: What does that movie come out? Is it Thanksgiving? I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I think soon ish. I've seen a lot

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Speaker 2: of press for it. I'm actually excited to watch that movie.

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Speaker 2: I think, really, Phoenix is Phoenix is going to be

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Speaker 2: clearly a.

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Speaker 1: Weirdo, but a very very talented actor that a lot

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Speaker 1: of very talented actors are so Hannibal is one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest generals of all time. They've cast Denzel Washington

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Speaker 1: to play Hannibal. Now, now people are getting into this

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Speaker 2: The opera is a great Way show. So but what

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Speaker 2: I thought almost immediately was I do I thought it

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Speaker 2: was fine, Like I like the production aspects of Broadway plays.

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Speaker 2: I went and took my kids to go see the

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Speaker 2: new Harry Potter like Cursed Child. I thought that was

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Speaker 2: pretty good. Not a musical, by the way, But if

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Speaker 2: you did a country and western version of the Obama

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Speaker 2: administration instead of a rap version of Alexander Hamilton country

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Speaker 2: and Western version of the Obama Administration, and like Garth

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Speaker 2: Brooks played Barack Obama, people would lose their mind. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think it would actually be really really funny to

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Speaker 2: do a country and western version of the Obama administration.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, you could have like who is

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift play Michelle Obama? I don't know, to the

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Speaker 2: extent you want to count her as a country artist.

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Speaker 2: People would lose their mind if white people played Barack

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Speaker 2: and Michelle Obama in a country and western version of

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Speaker 2: the Obama administration. If that is true, where is the

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Speaker 2: line on historical figures, for instance, like Frederick Douglas. If

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Speaker 2: they made a bio pick of Frederick Douglas and they

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Speaker 2: put jo Kem Phoenix into play Frederick Frederick Douglas. People

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Speaker 2: would lose their minds. Remember the great that the movie's

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Speaker 2: really funny. Tropic Thunder? Is it Tropic Thunder? Or Robert

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Speaker 2: Downey Junior plays a black guy.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that they were able to do that,

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Speaker 1: and there wasn't even more of a pushback, but they

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Speaker 1: were able to do it.

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Speaker 2: It's that's a hysterical movie, and Robert Downey Junior playing

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Speaker 2: the black guy is really really funny. I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think if the standard, certainly for historical figures, I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, New Shakespeare is an example, all races play

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Speaker 2: Shakespeare because it is such a canonical element of Western

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Speaker 2: literature that it has been embraced worldwide. So you have

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Speaker 2: agents to talk it's a fictional Hamlet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well, but there is no Hamlet really right,

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Speaker 1: like so you know Hamlet, but there are you know,

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Speaker 1: like there are from Denmark, so we probably you know,

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Speaker 1: he probably was a white guy.

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Speaker 2: Probably. It's such a member of the historical canon that

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Speaker 2: you know, all throughout Asia they're doing versions of Hamlet, right,

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Speaker 2: and so Asian actors everything else, So I think you

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Speaker 2: can go back far enough where it's such a part

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Speaker 2: of the cannon. What I don't like is this is

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Speaker 2: popular now on Netflix, Bridgerton, which is clearly set in

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Speaker 2: you know, seventeen hundred's Jane Austen era. To my knowledge,

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Speaker 2: I haven't ever watched it England, and people are all

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Speaker 2: of different races. Well, it has a particular historical setting.

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Speaker 2: When you have people who are not of those races

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Speaker 2: suddenly there, it takes me in some way out of

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Speaker 2: the story. I don't think I was watching Jamselle as

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Speaker 2: Hannibal is going to take me out of the story.

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Speaker 2: I was watching because I find Viking history.

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Speaker 1: The Vikings are fascinating, and you know, there's been a

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Speaker 1: big surge in interest in Vikings over the last ten

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Speaker 1: or fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: That show.

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Speaker 1: Travis Himmel was in, you know that that guy, and

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Speaker 1: there have been a few others. Last The Last Kingdom,

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Speaker 1: which is on Netflix, is a phenomenal series. There have

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Speaker 1: been a number of but you know, the Vikings, you're

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Speaker 1: going into the eight hundreds and nine hundreds, there was

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Speaker 1: a Netflix a Viking something or other.

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Speaker 2: I even forget what it was called.

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Speaker 1: It was like Vikings at war or vikings you know,

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Speaker 1: bloody fighting or something. I forget what it was called,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, whatever, But I mean I'm watching it, and

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Speaker 1: like one or two episodes in one of the Viking

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Speaker 1: Kings is a is cast as a like a king

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Speaker 1: of basically Denmark in the eight hundreds is a black female. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm and it's and it's not that I've like,

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Speaker 1: it's not a problem with it other than I see

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Speaker 1: here and I say to myself, like, I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: everything else is historically accurate, right, We're just gonna We're

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Speaker 1: just gonna do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't suddenly just have somebody driving car in

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Speaker 2: the Viking series, right, like if somebody suddenly it was

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Speaker 2: like the element of motorcycle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, well that was authenticity, like like asking me

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Speaker 1: to suspend some degree displat I mean, for example, Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones, there's a lot of diversity they they were

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Speaker 1: able to work in Game of Thrones, but it never

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Speaker 1: actually felt forced at all. It felt like they brought

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Speaker 1: in this character, brought in that character. There was nothing

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Speaker 1: in game. Now that's obviously all a fictional realm of

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Speaker 1: fictional world, but they were that was a very diverse show,

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Speaker 1: and they did it very well. I think it's one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest TV shows actually, you know, of all

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Speaker 1: time when you really add it all up, even though

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Speaker 1: last two seasons kind of went off a cliff. But

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to like if you're going

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Speaker 1: to do George Washington Spiring circa seventeen seventy six, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden there's a character who is

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Speaker 1: from like, you know, Tokyo who shows up, who's just like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: like I'm just I just happened to be here because

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Speaker 1: we needed some diversity.

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Speaker 2: Like it's problem. Well, like if you were doing a

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Speaker 2: movie on D Day and Dwight Eisenhower was black, I

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Speaker 2: think people would be like, hey, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that this you know, at some point that historical cannon.

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Speaker 2: Here's a good way of putting it. What was the

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Speaker 2: movie that just came out about the African Queen, like

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Speaker 2: the Tribe Fighters.

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Speaker 1: Or whatever, about the Dahomie the Yes, the tribe, the

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Speaker 1: African tribe best known for enslaving other Africans.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Yes, the Woman King, Woman King. Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 2: and there's a you know, star black woman in The

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Speaker 2: Woman King. If you had done the woman king and

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Speaker 2: it was a white chick like. They put Scarlett Johansson

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Speaker 2: in the role of the like. What would the reaction be.

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Speaker 2: I think you all know