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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and time stamp this one because

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Speaker 1: we're talking about something that is actually a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff is being written about right now, and that is

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Speaker 1: the Great Resignation as it's called, um, among other things. UM.

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Speaker 1: So today is November twenty one. This is our last

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Speaker 1: recording session for about a week. So yeah, that's exciting.

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Speaker 1: And we do have a bit of a mixed Santa

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Speaker 1: labor bag on this one. And now that we're in

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Speaker 1: December officially or we will be when you listen to this,

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Speaker 1: we are not currently right, we are not a future

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Speaker 1: at this point in time, and at this point, UM,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to do a very brief revisit of holiday

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Speaker 1: emotional labor, and we've been talking about that kind of

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Speaker 1: a lot recently. UM. But also yes, issues that are

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Speaker 1: impacting women when it comes to things like the Great

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Speaker 1: Resignation and all of these labor shortages are just product

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Speaker 1: shortages that we've been hearing about. So before we get

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Speaker 1: into it, we have gone over emotional labor before. But

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Speaker 1: just as a reminder, Arlie hash Child first to find

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Speaker 1: emotional labor as quote, invoking and suppressing feelings to fit

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Speaker 1: often helped by women that involve personal interaction, customer service,

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Speaker 1: and empathy. Things like that. UM. Nowadays, we've expanded the

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Speaker 1: meaning to include a plethora of stuff that we and

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Speaker 1: again usually women in this context do outside of work

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Speaker 1: to maintain relationships, like getting cards and gifts, remembering important

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Speaker 1: emotional labor is often heightened for women and especially for

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Speaker 1: mothers our caregivers during the holidays last year, and how

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Speaker 1: it would be even more heightened during a pandemic. UM.

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Speaker 1: Since then, a few articles have come out about it,

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Speaker 1: as well as some new challenges for this year UM

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Speaker 1: that have shown up in this discussion. So many challenges.

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Speaker 1: One interesting but not at all surprising theme for the

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Speaker 1: articles that have come out from last year, where all

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Speaker 1: the women who reported they just didn't have it in

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Speaker 1: and then the guilt that many felt alongside that realization. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and pay, which made the holidays more difficult. On top

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Speaker 1: resulted in a simpler celebration that was in many ways

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Speaker 1: about taking on some of the responsibilities she traditionally been doing.

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Speaker 1: They're saying throwing as traditional a holiday as they could

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Speaker 1: everything else felt out of control, and again for some

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Speaker 1: just the feeling that they'd failed. Yah. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: these articles. I was reading about like what can we

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Speaker 1: fair enough. One thing that's weighing on all of us,

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Speaker 1: Read the room, y'all capitalism Read the room. Yeah. My

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Speaker 1: many of them we've discussed before. The most commonly cited

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Speaker 1: And for me, who have never actually believed in say

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Speaker 1: had a great Christmas. I was just just wondering in that, like,

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Speaker 1: I would not That is not a job I would want. Nope, Nope, nope.

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Speaker 1: nightmare in general, to have to have kids one right

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Speaker 1: then the ones you're like, yeah, I really want to

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Speaker 1: Con is back this year, so okay, what is this is?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? Someone tell me there might be

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Speaker 1: a reason, Bob. But it's a convention. And it's sort

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Speaker 1: on the streets in New York. Oh Santa fighting. Okay,

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Speaker 1: uh don't. There's so many things that worry me about this. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if y'all have gone, y'all have gone, and you can

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Speaker 1: tell us the tales of Santa Con please because I'm

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Speaker 1: very thoroughly confused. Oh yes, any yeah, any convention can

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