Speaker 1: On this episode of The Eat Check. Holy shit, this
Speaker 1: is why it's my favorite time of the year. I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about the NBA playoffs, if you
Speaker 1: want to be honest, I do as a fan, but
Speaker 1: not as a podcaster. This is my shit. Emma be quiet.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. It's draft time, which means it's trade time,
Speaker 1: which means it's free agency time, which means it's pod time.
Speaker 1: We've got a massive, massive trade to talk about, and
Speaker 1: I'll give you my five sure things, five question marks,
Speaker 1: and five stay aways from two night's draft. Plus we
Speaker 1: have not one but two interviews about the draft with
Speaker 1: ESPN Seth Greenberg, what a Legend and OKC and draft
Speaker 1: expresses Rylan's styles Anthony, it's draft day, early draft day, actually,
Speaker 1: so drop that motherfuck should be young. Alright, No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm in delinquish. It's always branle Hoist and probably Zach
Speaker 1: Will as well. Like it's the end of the NBA season,
Speaker 1: but now just in time, I'm back from vacation for
Speaker 1: a quick NBA Draft primer. Primer primer. But hold the
Speaker 1: damn phone, Hold the damn phone. We got breaking news,
Speaker 1: we breaking news, breaking news. The New York Villanova Knits.
Speaker 1: Knicks did the damn thing and sent five first round picks,
Speaker 1: four unprotected picks in twenty five, twenty seven, nine, twenty
Speaker 1: thirty one and a twenty fifth, twenty five, twenty fifth
Speaker 1: protected Milwaukee first which I think is protected like between
Speaker 1: three and fifty I don't know, and a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight unprotected PICKSWAP and a twenty twenty five second round pick,
Speaker 1: four McHale Bridges and a twenty twenty six second round pick.
Speaker 1: Really all you need to know five first round picks
Speaker 1: to complete the Thanos glove of Villanova boys. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: we got ourselves the last infinity stone, which is Michil Bridges.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, we've been making fun of Michale. He's been
Speaker 1: looking across the pond. He's been saying, Hi, guys, I
Speaker 1: miss you. Josh Hart, Jalen Brunson, Devincenzo, they've been doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. Hi guys, we miss you. What an
Speaker 1: incredible all in move with so many ramifications. The first
Speaker 1: thing I wonder is what this means for og Anobi
Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, Ian Bagley says that the Knicks
Speaker 1: are still going after og Annobu who probably is gonna
Speaker 1: command in the forty ms. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can they afford to keep og and Andobi for two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty million dollars or five years and keep
Speaker 1: mkil Bridges on the roster and sign Hartenstein very very
Speaker 1: many questions, lots of questions, so many to think about
Speaker 1: for the Knicks, this is a big swinging dick all
Speaker 1: in move you're like man. And also, Mikil Bridges hasn't
Speaker 1: missed a game in his entire NBA career, and now
Speaker 1: he meets Tom Thibodeau, the man who is known for
Speaker 1: making players miss games. So who wins that battle? We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to see. This is incredible. We will have
Speaker 1: a ton to say about this in the future. But
Speaker 1: my first reaction is the Nets got forced to make
Speaker 1: a decision that they should have made a while ago,
Speaker 1: which is to trade multiple first round picks for Mikail Bridges.
Speaker 1: Mikil Bridges. They wanted to build around, and mikeil Bridges
Speaker 1: came to them and said, listen, guys, I want the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. I do not want to be here.
Speaker 1: I want to play with my friends. I want to
Speaker 1: play with the Villanova guys, and I'm not staying here.
Speaker 1: So whatever you think you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: do it in order to keep me happy here, it's
Speaker 1: it's not going to be possible. You know, I'm working
Speaker 1: in a basement and I'm like working hours I don't like,
Speaker 1: and I love y'all, but I got to go. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like this is just not working
Speaker 1: for me. And his agency told the Nets listen, you're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to get any other teams
Speaker 1: to trade for him because he's not going to play
Speaker 1: for them long term. He's gonna go and play for
Speaker 1: the Knicks when his free agency period arrives, which is,
Speaker 1: by the way, two years from now. Two years from now.
Speaker 1: He's under team control for two years. And he forced
Speaker 1: his way out. The Nets now get some first round
Speaker 1: draft picks, which they desperately need. And now they went
Speaker 1: out and tried to get some of their own first
Speaker 1: round picks by trading with Houston, a deal I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to comprehend yet, which is why I'm
Speaker 1: not even giving you the details. And meanwhile, I guess
Speaker 1: Houston is trying to maybe trade for Kevin Durant by
Speaker 1: trying to take the the Phoenix picks and give them
Speaker 1: back to Phoenix so much. Remember like you go to
Speaker 1: New York and they've got like the man with all
Speaker 1: the cups and the marble under one cup. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what I feel like is happening here with first
Speaker 1: round picks. I don't know where the picks are right now.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what team has what picks. All
Speaker 1: I know mckail bridge is nick boy on Bogdanovic now
Speaker 1: a net, and then a bunch of first round picks
Speaker 1: have been moved around. I'm happy for mkil, I really am.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for the knicks, and Sean Marks might have
Speaker 1: saved his fucking job because let's let's be honest, that
Speaker 1: team was going absolutely no fucking place so and they
Speaker 1: had no picks and they couldn't tank, and who the
Speaker 1: fuck knew where they were gonna go, and they were
Speaker 1: gonna be able to attract on him a Mitchell because
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be reciting in Cleveland. So much more
Speaker 1: on this soon, but damn, what a massive move onto
Speaker 1: the draft. Man did the draft sneak up on me?
Speaker 2: Or what I was like?
Speaker 1: Came home? I'm like, man, I haven't even done a
Speaker 1: draft preview yet. It's I thought it was Thursday night
Speaker 1: and I forgot they moved it to a two day experience,
Speaker 1: and now it's when Thursday would have been better, probably
Speaker 1: Thursday Friday, but hey, hey whatever this year, since the NBA
Speaker 1: wants to make a spectacle, they have made it now
Speaker 1: a two night affair. Wednesday Round one Thursday Round two.
Speaker 1: Now the change puts not only a lot of spotlight
Speaker 1: on the second round, probably because, let's be honest, Bonnie James,
Speaker 1: but also they moved the poor Liberty Links game out
Speaker 1: of Barclays and into Ubs Arena. Who knows why, because
Speaker 1: it's tonight, yesterday, yesterday, not tomorrow. I've been covering the
Speaker 1: NBA in one form or another since twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 1: I can't remember a draft that has been so universally
Speaker 1: panned as this one. No one likes it. I think
Speaker 1: there'll probably be players in there, who knows who they
Speaker 1: will be. I think it's just I think what is
Speaker 1: is that there's just no short things, and people are
Speaker 1: upset about that. But I think I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some good players in here. I think we will
Speaker 1: get all star caliber players. Out of this draft. I
Speaker 1: just don't think the teams can get by choosing Anthony
Speaker 1: Edwards and then just pushing lagers. They don't even need
Speaker 1: to do a lick of homework. There's oh yeah Edwards
Speaker 1: number one pick. Yep, we'll take him. So not only
Speaker 1: are multiple teams looking to move their lottery picks, but
Speaker 1: there's also like really no consensus about who goes where.
Speaker 1: Take for example, Zach Edy, two time National Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. I've seen him as mocked as high as
Speaker 1: seven and as low mocked as in the late twenties,
Speaker 1: strange guys like Kyle Philipowski and Ron Holt. Incredibly wide
Speaker 1: gap between where a player may be drafted and where
Speaker 1: they could slide to. So is this a weak draft?
Speaker 1: I think the jury's still out. I think it's just
Speaker 1: an ambiguous draft. A lot of players with a lot
Speaker 1: of upside, very few can't miss guys that you would
Speaker 1: call complete players, Guys with very few holes in their game.
Speaker 1: Like no Victor wemb beIN Yama's in this draft. To
Speaker 1: tell you that, Like how I don't even think there's
Speaker 1: any Scoot Anderson or Brandon Miller's in this draft. Even
Speaker 1: the highest rated guys like Zachary Rishische and Alex Sar
Speaker 1: they're not even locks to be anything. So how do
Speaker 1: you analyze a draft where half the league is actively
Speaker 1: trying to chage trade their picks, half the league is
Speaker 1: waiting for the trades to occur so they can figure
Speaker 1: out who to take. So I want to approach this
Speaker 1: in a couple of different ways. First, I want to
Speaker 1: break down the five players I think have the highest upside,
Speaker 1: because again, if the talent evaluators don't know, I certainly
Speaker 1: don't know. But let's talk about the players that we
Speaker 1: know could be something. Then we look at the five
Speaker 1: players I think probably have the most question marks around them.
Speaker 1: And then finally, five players I would never take with
Speaker 1: any draft picks, just wouldn't unless they fell all the
Speaker 1: way to the bottom of the first I think number
Speaker 1: one highest upside is to fill. If Stefan Castle can
Speaker 1: learn how to shoot, Stefan Castle could be an all
Speaker 1: NBA player. And I know that's a big if. I
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of players that have big ifs.
Speaker 1: But I love me some Yukon Stefan Castle, and I
Speaker 1: love me some Yukon Huskies in the NBA. Castle major
Speaker 1: player on a national championship team as a freshman. He's
Speaker 1: a winner. What do you like about Castle? First, height, athleticism.
Speaker 1: He's six five sixty six pretty damn athletic. Like he
Speaker 1: can I'm not saying he can jump out of the gym,
Speaker 1: but he definitely has explosiveness. But if you talk to
Speaker 1: anyone associated with the Yukon program, they rave about his
Speaker 1: attitude and his ability and willingness to do whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to get up to help contribute to winning because
Speaker 1: that the way he played at Yukon isn't in his
Speaker 1: natural game. He's got defensive tenacity. Like I said, he's
Speaker 1: not at not a great shooter twenty seven from three baby.
Speaker 1: He probably will improve on that in the next year,
Speaker 1: but I think you can live with that considering what
Speaker 1: he brings to the table. I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the small handfuls of must drafts in the draft this year.
Speaker 1: So Stefan Castle number one, number two. Another Yukon player
Speaker 1: highest upside, Donovan Clean another Yukon Husky trist that you
Speaker 1: don't say, Yeah, I know the Yukon big man haven't
Speaker 1: been great. I know that Jack Vascol and Mecca Okafer
Speaker 1: Josh Boone. I mean, the list goes on and on
Speaker 1: at Adama, Snogo, Hilton Armstrong, they were all highly touted
Speaker 1: big men, all busts in the NBA. Only Andre Drummond
Speaker 1: was I don't even know if I would consider him
Speaker 1: a star. I would consider him very a very productive player.
Speaker 1: And Donovan Klingon now massive guy, seven to seven, wingspan,
Speaker 1: seven to two, height, ninety seven, standy reach. He can
Speaker 1: dump dunk off of his fucking tiptoes. But I love
Speaker 1: Donovan Klingon's defense. He can block shots. Boy, I think
Speaker 1: that the percentage shooting when Donovan Klingen is around the
Speaker 1: rim is like thirty five percent something crazy. He's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He's a game changer. He's never going to be asked
Speaker 1: to put up thirty a game. But I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the only few players in the NBA who
Speaker 1: can move everyone from Mbdyannis out of the block like
Speaker 1: you cannot bully Donovan Klingen. So how good was he
Speaker 1: at Yukon? Team scored eighty nine points per one hundred
Speaker 1: possessions when Donovan Klington played, and when he was off
Speaker 1: the floor floor one hundred and three points per one
Speaker 1: hundred possessions. I think that translates. So we're looking at
Speaker 1: maybe an all defensive player if he can stay on
Speaker 1: the floor, if his conditioning can be right. He has
Speaker 1: questions about his motor. He only played twenty two minutes
Speaker 1: a game. But again, he broke his foot last year.
Speaker 1: He came back from the foot break, he was overweight
Speaker 1: because he couldn't fucking run, and then he played his
Speaker 1: way into shape. So I'm not exactly worried about Donovan
Speaker 1: Klingon and guess what we have seth Greenberg go on
Speaker 1: later in the show and he talks about what he
Speaker 1: thinks in terms of Donovan Klingon's upside and what his
Speaker 1: potential conditioning limitations look like. Number three upside upside, upside,
Speaker 1: trist to upside trist to not the downside. The upside
Speaker 1: for Cody Williams is immense. The upside of Cody Williams
Speaker 1: is a better, taller, longer Jalen Williams. He's a risky pick, though, Jesus,
Speaker 1: have you seen the thunder play? Have you seen Jalen
Speaker 1: Williams play. Jalen Williams immediate impact player, and no one
Speaker 1: was talking about him nearly as much as they are
Speaker 1: Cody Williams, and Cody is a very young player. Jalen
Speaker 1: Willims By the way, at the time that he was
Speaker 1: Cody Williams's age, he was nothing. His team told him,
Speaker 1: you are a four year player, stay in school, and
Speaker 1: eventually junior year they're like, oh, yeah, you're an NBA
Speaker 1: player now. So Cody Williams is coming out into the
Speaker 1: league as a top ten player. And yeah he has
Speaker 1: holes in his game. Yeah he struggles with confidence. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's had injury issues. Yes, he can sometimes be tentative,
Speaker 1: but he could be He could be a star. He's
Speaker 1: six 's seven, seven to one wingspan, somewhat sloppy handles,
Speaker 1: but he has the ability to get busy with the rock.
Speaker 1: He can finish around the rim as well as almost
Speaker 1: anyone in college hoops. He has a decent shot mechanic,
Speaker 1: His defense is long, he's rangy, he plays a position
Speaker 1: that almost every team needs. So who knows, maybe if
Speaker 1: he gets with the team that can develop well, he
Speaker 1: can find his way into being a superstar. He can
Speaker 1: be a bigger, longer, more explosive Jalen Redrafts could potentially
Speaker 1: make Cody Williams a top three pick. But boy, oh boy,
Speaker 1: are the risks there. They are really there. Number four.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would consider him the highest upside,
Speaker 1: but I would say the most like can't miss or
Speaker 1: most productive right away, and that's Dalton Connect. I'm not
Speaker 1: like super sold on Dalton Connect, but I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people love him. People I respect, like Seth Greenberg,
Speaker 1: like him to the point where they think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be Rookie of the Year. Sam Vesini has him ranked
Speaker 1: as the number nine prospect in this class, and I
Speaker 1: think maybe he's this year's Heimi Hawkins, most player easily
Speaker 1: able to walk into a roster or into a team
Speaker 1: and immediately contribute. I tell you what, boy, the Lakers
Speaker 1: could use some Dalton Connect. Yeah they could. He's a
Speaker 1: big dude, six', six two hundred and fifteen, pounds, high,
Speaker 1: vertical good, handles can get his own, shot high, confidence
Speaker 1: wants to take shots in high leverage. Moments he could
Speaker 1: be a problem on the offensive. End and Since tennessee
Speaker 1: didn't play a ton of, defense we don't really know
Speaker 1: Whether Dalton connect can play defense or. Not but he's
Speaker 1: athletic enough to pick it. UP i think he's a good.
Speaker 1: Player he should excel. Early another player fifth player that
Speaker 1: has a very high Upside Bob, carrington the youngest player
Speaker 1: in this. Draft Remember Gigi jackson youngest player in last year's.
Speaker 1: Draft one of those players that didn't get a lot of,
Speaker 1: press just Like Ggi. Jackson but the opinion of scouts
Speaker 1: just continues to go up every week since the conference.
Speaker 1: Championships had a great pro. Day he's six' four with room.
Speaker 1: To grow he's already one of the best pull up
Speaker 1: jump shooters in, the LEAGUE and i have seen him
Speaker 1: mocked anywhere from ten. To twenty vassini has him ranked
Speaker 1: in the, top TEN and i think bub could be
Speaker 1: really Really good. Number one in terms of biggest, QUESTION
Speaker 1: marks i Think alex aar also has a very, high
Speaker 1: UPSIDE but i do think the category to put him
Speaker 1: in more likely is the biggest. Question mark number one
Speaker 1: consensus player for. Years now now he's possibly gonna be
Speaker 1: the number two pick because Of the shenanigans going on
Speaker 1: with him not working out With The. Atlanta hawks he.
Speaker 1: Has upside athletic seven footer will always, attract interest but,
Speaker 1: to me he's like A chet holmerrin that. Can't shoot
Speaker 1: he is, extremely fluid though he is an impressive, defensive
Speaker 1: player defending the rim, against guards, small forwards probably not
Speaker 1: big enough to bother like Centers Like, Anthony Davis, Joel
Speaker 1: embiid Jannis. And jokis you're probably gonna play Him off beflore.
Speaker 1: Right now but if he can, get thick if he
Speaker 1: can become a, thick, boy really his biggest question mark
Speaker 1: is just how skinny is can you? Gain weight can
Speaker 1: you get, A shot because if you can get a
Speaker 1: shot and you can gain, some weight, then boy, oh
Speaker 1: boy could you be. A problem there is a reason
Speaker 1: though that alex Are brother olivier is like a ten.
Speaker 1: Day guy so that's what we're talking about in terms
Speaker 1: of floor and in terms. Of pedigree number two another
Speaker 1: player with a high amount of, question marks As. Zach
Speaker 1: edy there was a time, last year twelve, MONTHS ago
Speaker 1: i would have told, YOU listen i will give you
Speaker 1: my beating heart If zach edy makes. A leak and
Speaker 1: Now zach edy could be potentially a. Lottery pick that's
Speaker 1: like where we're. ALL at i think the world's kind
Speaker 1: of coming a little crazy On. Zach Edy zam fassini
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be a bust, as well a
Speaker 1: lot of us thought maybe. International Player zach edy continues
Speaker 1: to grow as, a player continues to, slim down continues
Speaker 1: to add to. His game his physical fitness. Is ridiculous
Speaker 1: he's got the physical fitness of a crime boss that's
Speaker 1: also the runner of, the operation right. Like you he's big,
Speaker 1: and strong but he's literally out there grinding playing every
Speaker 1: single minute OF an ncaa. Championship game he single handedly
Speaker 1: carried This trash purdue team to the national, championship game
Speaker 1: him And, trailer kohlik and he did it playing forty
Speaker 1: minutes a game like it. Was nothing he is. Still
Speaker 1: slow he definitely has holes in, his game but in
Speaker 1: his footwork is. A MESS but i am done Doubting.
Speaker 1: ZACH edy i think he's gonna be an. Okay player
Speaker 1: can he be a? First option? Like no is he
Speaker 1: going to be a starting center IN? THE nba i have.
Speaker 1: No Idea seth greenberg talks About zach edy later on
Speaker 1: in the interview in this podcast in terms of how
Speaker 1: you have To Play zach edy in order for him to,
Speaker 1: be successful WHICH is i would. Say alarming number Three.
Speaker 1: READ shepherd a lot of People Love red shephard best
Speaker 1: shooter in. The draft one of the best shooters in college.
Speaker 1: Basketball history you know who was also the best shooter
Speaker 1: in the draft right sense of ball. Last YEAR and
Speaker 1: i think he saw the court like for thirty seconds all.
Speaker 1: Last year shepherd is. Very, ATHLETIC yeah i don't mean
Speaker 1: for a guy that's like six. To one i'm very
Speaker 1: Concerned about bryce About read. Shepherd's hype he shot fifty
Speaker 1: two percent from deep. Last year that's. Pretty ABSURD but
Speaker 1: i think he's gonna find to have a hard time,
Speaker 1: getting loose our hard time. Creating separation he has a
Speaker 1: really hard time creating separation even in. College basketball but
Speaker 1: in terms, of movement shooter, off screens all That read
Speaker 1: shepherd is gonna be. A problem how much will his
Speaker 1: three point? PERCENTAGE dip i. Don't know that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the tell of the tale of the Tape for, shepherd's
Speaker 1: career as Well as, Izio one, izio two and what
Speaker 1: do you do with? Them? All right? Number four remember twelve,
Speaker 1: Months Ago ron holland was the consensus number one, Overall
Speaker 1: PICK and i told, you guys that's. A lie like
Speaker 1: that guy's comp. Is great mock draft site said his
Speaker 1: Upside was Corey Brue corey breuerr dude average twenty seven
Speaker 1: and three FOR The G, league knight which turns out
Speaker 1: to be a terrible Decision For. Ron holland the league
Speaker 1: Folded the ignite immediately after his. Season ended not Because Of.
Speaker 1: Ron holland i'm not saying that. That's why i'm just
Speaker 1: saying probably not the. Best choice he, is big though
Speaker 1: a lot of, question marks but he does have upside,
Speaker 1: six seven very active on both the ends of, the
Speaker 1: court and his defense will. Definitely translate but that's also his.
Speaker 1: Negative attribute he plays out. Of control reports are that
Speaker 1: he didn't have A Great, pro day his stock. Was
Speaker 1: falling but if he can learn to focus, that athleticism
Speaker 1: especially on that, defensive side maybe he could be Like A.
Speaker 1: HERB jones i tell, you, what Though If herb jones
Speaker 1: is like your player comp then you are a second.
Speaker 1: Round pick you are not a first. Round pick i'm not,
Speaker 1: saying no no Shade To, herb JONES because I Think
Speaker 1: herber jones would be mocked, right now redrafted as a first.
Speaker 1: Round pick but one way guys typically not. Lottery picks
Speaker 1: Number five modus muzialis another player again we'll see as
Speaker 1: number one. Overall pick can you tell that this draft
Speaker 1: class is Very? Like Murky like murky's, The word it's
Speaker 1: about as clear as The, As. Lake michigan his career
Speaker 1: also TANKED By G league knight six,', nine, wing, athleticism,
Speaker 1: shooting ability, play some defense does a ton, of things well.
Speaker 1: But nothing elite might be enough for him to become.
Speaker 1: A valuable player his upside is higher, than most players
Speaker 1: and he could probably steal him around ten or twelve.
Speaker 1: In the draft he could be really good of who?
Speaker 1: The fuck knows because he's international and he was IN On,
Speaker 1: the g league so no one. Watched his games no one?
Speaker 1: Watched his, games all? RIGHT stay aways i mean this
Speaker 1: is a stay away. For health Reasons number one nicole
Speaker 1: a topic a lot of scouts. Are high on but
Speaker 1: there are enough right flags for me. To stay away.
Speaker 1: First and foremost he has had not one but two
Speaker 1: major injuries in. The last year suffered a knee injury
Speaker 1: And then he PARSLEY tore his acl LIKE immediately did
Speaker 1: i mention that he was eighteen when he. Did those
Speaker 1: things HE tore an acl before. He could drink HE
Speaker 1: tore an acl before he could even serve his country
Speaker 1: where they. Mandate military service there are issues. With his
Speaker 1: shot then you add the injury issues, to the shot
Speaker 1: and it is enough for, Me, to say yo let
Speaker 1: somebody else but us try and figure out a way to.
Speaker 1: Rehab this, Guy, all right uh let's. Talk about saloon
Speaker 1: saloon is One of those euros that some scouts will
Speaker 1: completely fall. In love with six nine wing, seven two
Speaker 1: wings stand attracted a ton of interest of late draft
Speaker 1: stock is, rising a lot kind Of like bal. Coulibali
Speaker 1: last year scouts Call Him on BASKETBALL. Savant basketball iq they,
Speaker 1: like his, motor but boy when you, look at it highlights,
Speaker 1: of this kid he's Very raw and euros without elite
Speaker 1: skills tended to have trouble. In the league too many question.
Speaker 1: Marks for me but maybe A Team like san antonio
Speaker 1: or A team, like okay see you can figure out
Speaker 1: a way. To develop them Those. Teams are Wizards My,
Speaker 1: team Portland. Trailblazers not wizards tell you That Number three
Speaker 1: rob dillingham, wouldn't do it would. Not do it the
Speaker 1: market for point, guards is shrinking and the, smaller you
Speaker 1: are the less of a market there. Is for you
Speaker 1: most of the teams in the lottery are set at.
Speaker 1: The position anyway his height is, six to one so
Speaker 1: he is. Six to one he's not participating in. His
Speaker 1: pro days he's opted out of all. These individual workouts
Speaker 1: that is a big red. Flag for me he does.
Speaker 1: SOME things well i know a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are smart about basketball. Think he's fire his body control.
Speaker 1: Is a league he plays well at. A fast pace his.
Speaker 1: Handles are great but again he has. Six to, one
Speaker 1: every year there are ten players like this in the
Speaker 1: draft who do. Not make It Chances are rob dillingham
Speaker 1: possibly could be one. Of those Players Number. FOUR johnny
Speaker 1: furfey i made a joke about. HIM this season, i,
Speaker 1: was like man this guy is like a has a
Speaker 1: parody name of, that old song the name game uh furfeye.
Speaker 1: Furfee bo furfee but nana fnf o murphy fee five
Speaker 1: o Murphy Furfy that's JOHNNY now it's i thought it
Speaker 1: Was a Typo Johnny does johnny furvey the most typo name? Of,
Speaker 1: all time yes. Six' eight wing the number one thing
Speaker 1: people point to with him is his work. Ethic, and,
Speaker 1: his character OKAY okay like that's, I got work? Ethic
Speaker 1: I got character am i making it to the league
Speaker 1: Just Like our, MAN seth greenberg said i Want, to
Speaker 1: Be pat riley But. I'm not pat riley that and
Speaker 1: five dollars will get you. A Cup of, coffee fam
Speaker 1: to Me he's. Just another kansas, Bust let's. Be real
Speaker 1: kansas boys. They busting number, five oh my god another
Speaker 1: consensus number one overall player who just decided he is
Speaker 1: Not Good. Really and isaiah. Collier here we Go? What's
Speaker 1: happening with uesse why do they keep lying? About their
Speaker 1: player sites why do they keep just trying to pull the?
Speaker 1: Wool over Our Eyes they listed brownie james two and
Speaker 1: a half three inches taller, than he ACTUALLY is but
Speaker 1: They Faum have had isaiah collier listed at six' five
Speaker 1: for twelve months when he's actually six to two insues.
Speaker 1: That is a massive difference combined with the fact that
Speaker 1: HE was a nightmare at, usc in his freshman year
Speaker 1: means his pro career is probably not gonna go as
Speaker 1: well as we thought it was. Gonna go twelve months
Speaker 1: ago he's already FALLEN from. A unanimous top, i pick
Speaker 1: at one point they said Preseason Number one overall pick
Speaker 1: isaiah callier gross. No shot that, was happening by the way,
Speaker 1: When people say this stuff i'm, just looking. AT them
Speaker 1: like no way i Still Don't even believe that zachary
Speaker 1: res is gonna be the. Number, one overall pack pick
Speaker 1: anyway IT says a lot that I can see A
Speaker 1: better NBA career for Brawny Than. I can, for isaiah. Caller.
Speaker 1: Tough stuff good stuff Though we'll move back for friday
Speaker 1: for another breakdown on the draft because a whole lot
Speaker 1: is popping and the heat check is going to. Be
Speaker 1: there the whole way but now it. Is time for
Speaker 1: some INTERVIEWS The First, is, with espn seth, greenberg who
Speaker 1: as you, know maybe you Don't know two Times acc
Speaker 1: Coach Of the, year of virginia tech coach broke down
Speaker 1: the draft for us ON My. Other show at mgm tonight,
Speaker 1: he was so, fucking good by. The way he is spicy.
Speaker 3: He.
Speaker 1: Gave us some gold anyway he was joined By My
Speaker 1: other Co host nick ashew. And ryan horvat that show,
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Speaker 4: Twitch let's get into it this is a draft that has,
Speaker 4: a lot of moving, parts a lot of Questions a
Speaker 4: lot of unknown So Thankfully, WE bring on seth greenburg
Speaker 4: espn college basketball analyst to help us kind of sort through.
Speaker 4: Release some of these guys and let's start with obviously
Speaker 4: the most polarizing name In This. Draft set than zach
Speaker 4: edy and obviously we know, what he did in college what,
Speaker 4: he was able to accomplish but.
Speaker 5: Now it's the NEXT.
Speaker 4: Level now it's the, nba we saw the improvement we
Speaker 4: saw the player that he turned Into. His final year
Speaker 4: AT purdue what type of Nba Player do you? Think
Speaker 4: zach edy will be and is there a team that
Speaker 4: you look at where you say you know that might be.
Speaker 2: A good fit for him i Think the biggest thing
Speaker 2: was zach dye is the players around him, in the
Speaker 2: style of play and who's. Going, to be coaching him LOOK.
Speaker 2: He's unique in today's nba he's seven five with. Like
Speaker 2: a seven eleven winspan he's a ridiculous offensive revo. Because
Speaker 2: you can wedge rebound he. Runs better than people, think
Speaker 2: the whole idea well he made. Some, threes in his
Speaker 2: workout please let's put pump the brakes. On that a
Speaker 2: little better but he's different than. ANYONE else, in the
Speaker 2: draft i mean he's just different than. Anyone else in
Speaker 2: the draft, better pass than you think, especially out of
Speaker 2: double teams more athletic in terms of corralling, the ball
Speaker 2: in drop coverage runs the. Floor better than you think
Speaker 2: but he's got to be. On a very specific team
Speaker 2: he's got to be on a team that number one
Speaker 2: will have a. Big time, shooters around. Him all right
Speaker 2: good yea if you, have big time, shooting rhys, you
Speaker 2: create spacing create spacing. Then he becomes a tactoo they've
Speaker 2: got to have versatility, at the four spot defensively because
Speaker 2: she can't be switching four and five because he's not gonna.
Speaker 2: Be up to switch five he's. Gonna be a drop
Speaker 2: defender so you gotta have versatility because in the drop
Speaker 2: defense you're gonna, have to tag some things. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to rotate, but in the, right team it'd be
Speaker 2: interesting Like you put him, in, miami and you say
Speaker 2: wait a sec vam can switch. It for he's at enough?
Speaker 2: Do they have enough shooting especially Depending On. What happens
Speaker 2: with jimmy butler that could be. A unique situation for
Speaker 2: him but you're gonna have. To change how you coach
Speaker 2: you're not getting up down to court running or you
Speaker 2: know you're Not going to be any he. Can't be
Speaker 2: a second unity the second units, usually your, team gets
Speaker 2: smaller not bigger and that would be a little. Bit
Speaker 2: OF a matchup. Problem but i. Like him he's, gotten
Speaker 2: better his footwork's good, he runs the floor better and
Speaker 2: he's a freak because you've. Not seen anyone like.
Speaker 1: Him another big man that's sort of rising up the
Speaker 1: Draft Bars. To seth is donovan klingon what do you
Speaker 1: like about what he's doing and where do? You think
Speaker 1: he would fit and are you concerned at all about
Speaker 1: some of the conditioning issues that he had in. Last
Speaker 1: year's college basketball.
Speaker 2: Season i'm not concerned because i'm. UP there all the
Speaker 2: time i watched. It practice all the time the guy
Speaker 2: at a broken foot. First set of the season it
Speaker 2: never got a chance, to get. In great shape playing
Speaker 2: shape you can't. Approve unless YOU'RE in shape that's just i.
Speaker 2: Don't care who you. Are you can't improve well to
Speaker 2: see what happened at. The end, Of the season what
Speaker 2: happened he got himself in shape because he hadn't. PLAY himself,
Speaker 2: in the shape i mean he missed multiple, games early
Speaker 2: in the season so he was playing. His way back
Speaker 2: into shape cleaning is gonna be able to step out
Speaker 2: and pick. A pop and Shoot trees i've been in
Speaker 2: i've been. In that Facility, enough times different from zachie and.
Speaker 2: He's Got a beautiful stroke uh so he'll be. Up
Speaker 2: to pick a pop he'll. Be up to short roll,
Speaker 2: He's a very good passer he'll. Be up to long
Speaker 2: roll he is a terrific riom protector. And, got pretty
Speaker 2: good feet, defensively runs the. FLOOR great very Good Hands
Speaker 2: i can see donald. CLEAN and going number one i,
Speaker 2: don't KNOW if he will but i can. See him
Speaker 2: going number. One because let's saice it the two guys that.
Speaker 2: Everyone's talking, About number one you. KNOW sorro and us
Speaker 2: shape I. Mean they're, good like shay you Know He.
Speaker 2: Reminds me of brandon miller. Miller, Went to last year
Speaker 2: uh sara, is a little more athletic. Runs a little,
Speaker 2: bit better but You know you watch. Donomd clean and HIS,
Speaker 2: UPSIDE even In today's nba i think he's. Going to
Speaker 2: be really interesting if.
Speaker 1: You had to Pick A, player comp for donovan?
Speaker 2: KLINGON who would it be i would probably Say, In the,
Speaker 2: end brook lobez i'm saying, but a better shot. Locker,
Speaker 2: but a better shot. Damn he's gonna be out he's
Speaker 2: gonna be out to Shoot it. And a better loco
Speaker 2: scorer that's what you. Have me on, here for? Damn?
Speaker 2: Good cops isn't it.
Speaker 1: Coach so we keep hearing that there's not.
Speaker 3: A star in this draft, but who would you say
Speaker 3: in your, opinion has The Highest ceiling maybe an all star.
Speaker 6: Selection or Something like that i'm gonna i'm gonna go way.
Speaker 2: Outside the box almost things i'm going to go a
Speaker 2: guy That is going To. Win rookie, Of THE year
Speaker 2: all right so i don't, know the Long Term. Star,
Speaker 2: And That's, dalton connected yes dalt connect go. Go in
Speaker 2: the top ten, dalt connects an, absolute bucket three level
Speaker 2: scorer shoots the three killer and transition and will. Punch
Speaker 2: it on your head runs. The floor now he does
Speaker 2: he probably, can't CHECK me Right Now but i think
Speaker 2: dalton connect has has. STAR written all. OVER me i
Speaker 2: really do I Think, he's Uh Think bobby surah think, rex,
Speaker 2: chapman way way way way way. WAY back IN the
Speaker 2: day I think i think that connect has a. Chance
Speaker 2: To be really special stephan, castle as well as Intriguing
Speaker 2: but the way that connect shoots, the ball and can
Speaker 2: score he is a really. Really interesting prospect To me do.
Speaker 4: You think castle is going to be more of a
Speaker 4: combo guard or a one or maybe a two WHEN.
Speaker 4: He gets TO the.
Speaker 2: Nba the whole. NBA is, a, ball guard, i mean
Speaker 2: like you know there were very. Few point guards to,
Speaker 2: guards if you can't score you can't play it as is,
Speaker 2: he a Point you know but he's, you gotta be
Speaker 2: a player you gotta you gotta have. A guy that
Speaker 2: has game you gotta have a guy. That That that.
Speaker 2: Has game and ashlaw's game he can, really, defend anyone,
Speaker 2: flitch ability rebounds his, position gets to the rim. AND
Speaker 2: finishes at the rim i can play off the elbow.
Speaker 2: In The back down situation alave brunson and at, the
Speaker 2: end of the season he, saw how he shot it
Speaker 2: really shot it well at. The end of the, season
Speaker 2: and a. Great Kid a great kid so i'm. A
Speaker 2: little biased Towards Him i really like Stephen cassel a
Speaker 2: lot but. Dalton. CONNECT is a bucket.
Speaker 1: Yeah i agree with that and in TERMS of players
Speaker 1: that maybe i think we, wanted more from last season
Speaker 1: and again we're talking about, injuries as well with him
Speaker 1: but his pedigree and what we wanted and obviously the.
Speaker 1: Team that he was on i'd love To Get. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on cody, williams OBVIOUSLY a lottery kid but i
Speaker 1: think a LOT of the feedback that i get from, talent,
Speaker 1: evaluators questions his motor. Questions, the dog.
Speaker 2: In them Yeah You. Know you, know jared wesson you
Speaker 2: know he, might Not Have a dog but. Jared west is.
Speaker 2: A wolf the eight dollars. I'm Not Sure that anyone,
Speaker 2: look cody williams terrific skills great length, over some foot one,
Speaker 2: wingspan can shoot the, three a good enough passer, high
Speaker 2: upside defensively for. Sure can play in transition, banged around,
Speaker 2: ALL season, long you, know i mean you know. HE'S
Speaker 2: banged up and injured i think that we have not.
Speaker 2: Seen the best of, him not a great shooter but,
Speaker 2: he does have good, mechanics which IS you know. That's
Speaker 2: where i looking for can, he get it off, quicker
Speaker 2: not over the athletic but sneaky. Athletic Needs to get
Speaker 2: stronger well moost nineteen year. Olds needs to get stronger
Speaker 2: is he a guy that you're gonna draft. It all,
Speaker 2: of a, sudden he's gonna you. Know, Be a rotation
Speaker 2: guy maybe but if you look at his pedigree and,
Speaker 2: you look at his character and you look at his
Speaker 2: seven to one wingspan at, about sixty six in socks
Speaker 2: and you see that, HE can make a SHOT i
Speaker 2: would bet on i would bet. On him a little
Speaker 2: bit jade. McDaniels type a little bit i think that
Speaker 2: is his length makes. Him a Really versatile defender So High, i'm,
Speaker 2: high on cody williams well maybe a little higher than.
Speaker 2: Other people are on Him you brought up.
Speaker 3: A darlin connect and he's getting a. Bunch of love
Speaker 3: right now What Are your Thoughts on devin carter from
Speaker 3: providence as? A, POTENTIAL top ten pick yeah i.
Speaker 2: Think he's in that Vicinity Look, HE you know devin
Speaker 2: carter i mean like to me and THIS is the,
Speaker 2: first thing i, wrote Down as you, know and i've
Speaker 2: watched him watched, his career fix hie wingspan but the.
Speaker 2: Most ready impact Maybe Player. Could he be drew holliday it's.
Speaker 2: Got to, prove, the shooting but elite. ELITE elite, competitor
Speaker 2: and defender i mean like legitimately, downhill driver rebounds his
Speaker 2: position improved ball screen creator does a nice job. Reading
Speaker 2: THE off Ball. Defenders so, i like devan you're. Like
Speaker 2: he's a doll competitor he's a more of a plug and.
Speaker 2: Play in, the Right organization you know can miami mess
Speaker 2: with him? And he drops to fifteen does? HE go
Speaker 2: higher than fifteen i think that's that's going. To BE
Speaker 2: an Interesting Thing, BUT i like. DEVAN carter i really do.
Speaker 2: I just like, his toughness though, people say oh my god, He's,
Speaker 2: twenty two years old like we'll take a twenty, two
Speaker 2: year old international guy but god forbid a guy comes
Speaker 2: to COLLEGE and. Grows less, Then i checked, you Know
Speaker 2: Brunson was older, The Keel bridges was. OLDER malcolm brogden was,
Speaker 2: older i, mean we see you know we we freak out.
Speaker 2: Over a guy being older yet the older guys, that
Speaker 2: come INTO the, league they can i mean they. Can
Speaker 2: all help. You win they're all competitor like you don't,
Speaker 2: have to, HOLD their, HANDS you know i, mean i
Speaker 2: have grown, men and like to me if you're Trying
Speaker 2: to win twenty two so, Guy's twenty two years old
Speaker 2: so say say, he's a legit rotation player so you're
Speaker 2: gonna get? Thirteen good years at him or are you
Speaker 2: gonna guard and you're gonna draft an if you don't
Speaker 2: know if he's mature enough to DEAL with being a
Speaker 2: successful nba guy that's just gonna be given ten million
Speaker 2: dollars to and has, all these people around him then
Speaker 2: you've got to. Teach them how to compete you've got
Speaker 2: to teach them how. To be a good teammate there are.
Speaker 2: So Many variables in That so I'm, A higher i'm.
Speaker 1: HIGHER carter i really am i, wasn't, Gonna ask you
Speaker 1: this Coach But then you mentioned devin carter In The,
Speaker 1: same BREATH as drew Holiday And i thought about brownie
Speaker 1: james and him saying that He. Wants to be true
Speaker 1: holiday is that is that A realistic ceiling for brun I.
Speaker 2: WANT to, be pat riley i mean the guy has four, Points, of,
Speaker 2: A all right Look look i think that ronnie has
Speaker 2: handled this better than. Every adult in. His life That's
Speaker 2: my take he's handled he's handled. This better than his
Speaker 2: dad He's Handled this better than rich paul because he's
Speaker 2: handled it with some humility, and he, hasn't tried to.
Speaker 2: You know overplay his hand now he's going. To listen
Speaker 2: to his agent, of COURSE you, understand that but? I mean, who, is,
Speaker 2: he you know look tragic tragic situation was in while.
Speaker 2: Coming out of High School guy got to. UMBA state
Speaker 2: For Nine years i had lucius harris who played. Thirteen
Speaker 2: Years In the league had brian russell played. THIRTEEN years
Speaker 2: In The league i had james cotton who played. Four
Speaker 2: years In the league i'd watching hawkins who played. Four years,
Speaker 2: in the league you know he would have been a
Speaker 2: Good Guest. FOR us, at lumbage state i Mean he's
Speaker 2: he's an s he's a six one two, guard, and
Speaker 2: like everyone goes oh he. Played great In the combine
Speaker 2: he played people that playing The combine are all of
Speaker 2: but if, you're playing in the combine? You know what
Speaker 2: you are your guy that's probably not going. To play
Speaker 2: in the league. It's like, the, summer, league people go
Speaker 2: somebody man he was. Great in the summer league who
Speaker 2: are you? Playing against the summer league get for the
Speaker 2: first two days a bunch of dudes that are not going,
Speaker 2: to be in the league that are going to get Two.
Speaker 2: Ways OR be in europe, SO i YOU know again
Speaker 2: i don't i. DON'T overbuy all the hype i think.
Speaker 2: HE'S an unbelievable young man i really have enjoyed listening.
Speaker 2: To some of, his interviews but you know so, if
Speaker 2: He Doesn't make it is rich paul going to bury him,
Speaker 2: like buried, cal for uh you know VERY the coaching
Speaker 2: staff At usc Like They, buried, cal for CHRIS livingston
Speaker 2: who like the nba is the most. Exclusive club in the.
Speaker 2: World it's not for Everyone and this is not OPRAH,
Speaker 2: where everyone, GETS a, TV all right i mean i
Speaker 2: mean that's. Just the way it is it's it's. It's,
Speaker 2: A very exclusive club hey i'd love. To see the,
Speaker 2: guy making but right now if, you had to EVALUATE him.
Speaker 2: He's not. An nba player that's it he's not men
Speaker 2: be a player right.
Speaker 4: Now is as polarizing as, it gets for a. Player Certainly,
Speaker 4: in his POSITION Seth greenberg two Time, ACC Coach Of The.
Speaker 4: Year espn college basketball. Analyst awesome having you. On we
Speaker 4: really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks coaching discightful this.
Speaker 2: Time thanks, for Having. Me appreciate it oh.
Speaker 1: Man great interview from Coach Next, interview is with Ryland
Speaker 1: styles Host of the locked onn thunder PODCAST As well.
Speaker 1: As an nba DRAFT insider he also joined betmgm tonight
Speaker 1: broke down, what's popping in The draft but. Also what
Speaker 1: okase might do let's, just listen, In To.
Speaker 4: That all right ryland styles As the Host of the
Speaker 4: locked On Thunder. Podcast also with draft digest, let's, talk
Speaker 4: about players first though Before we get into anything brownie
Speaker 4: at some point the name. Is probably gonna come out
Speaker 4: but guys at the top of the draft that we
Speaker 4: know have a shot, at being, a number one, number, two,
Speaker 4: number three pick whatever like this draft is so difficult
Speaker 4: for us to certainly engauge while we're sitting here looking
Speaker 4: at the draft market player. Positions where they could go
Speaker 4: there's also a lot of unknowns in terms of a
Speaker 4: lot of. International players in this draft so let's look
Speaker 4: at the, top two Picks right now with The wizards
Speaker 4: and then. The hawks at number one reese sche has
Speaker 4: looked at as kind, of the Consensus number one but
Speaker 4: the hawks. Aren't Really telling people, MUCH alex sar would
Speaker 4: then i guess. Likely be, the number two first off
Speaker 4: what do you think? Of those two prospects one and
Speaker 4: then Do you think it Goes Resa sche and?
Speaker 5: Then, ALEX sar one Two yeah i think that alex
Speaker 5: sar is the.
Speaker 6: Best prospect in this draft there's been some awkward things
Speaker 6: about how He's, not working out for Atlanta which. Might
Speaker 6: make the hawks skittish they also could just take them
Speaker 6: as the number one overall, team even without a workout
Speaker 6: just understanding, and betting on the, talent because once you're
Speaker 6: selected what are You really Going To Do, IF you're
Speaker 6: alex sar rischache i think is one of the better
Speaker 6: prospects that you can COUNT on him being an nba
Speaker 6: contributor and you don't have to worry about him just.
Speaker 6: Being a complete flame out but that ceiling is significantly
Speaker 6: lower than some of the other names, that you can
Speaker 6: Bet On Like like an alex sar. Sars ceiling his
Speaker 6: way higher sar could BE a, much less impactful nba
Speaker 6: player or As like the floor For Reshache is like,
Speaker 6: a tobias harris level impact which sounds like not good
Speaker 6: right now because the room Has Kind. Of soured on
Speaker 6: tobias Harris But you look at tobias harris's career in.
Speaker 6: A very, bad draft class by consensus to get someone
Speaker 6: of that longevity as a contributor is, going to be you,
Speaker 6: know significant in this draft which is not going to.
Speaker 6: Net you a superstar anyway it's not going to net
Speaker 6: you really. A cornerstone of your franchise you're hoping to
Speaker 6: get those contributors and those rotational pieces and, complinary pieces
Speaker 6: to your. Core not, Build Your.
Speaker 1: Core this year read shepherd ryland is considered the consensus,
Speaker 1: favorite to Go third overall even with houston potentially looking
Speaker 1: to trade out of that pick. And GET some more
Speaker 1: veterans and i think it's probably just because all. The
Speaker 1: mocks have him there, if You were to guess, if
Speaker 1: houston keeps the pick what would be the best, player
Speaker 1: that fits their? System, WHO would that be.
Speaker 5: Yeah I would still go Read Shepherd.
Speaker 6: Only BECAUSE of donovan kling and i think that that's
Speaker 6: kind of, what the market Is suggesting is that if,
Speaker 6: houston does keep the pick and it's always more smarter
Speaker 6: to bet, against the trade than not because trades are very,
Speaker 6: hard to actually pull off as easy as. They Are
Speaker 6: to talk about reed shepherd Makes. Things just simpler for
Speaker 6: houston he's going, to be a deadly shooter and at
Speaker 6: minimum he's going to lift Up the floor. Spacing that
Speaker 6: houston Desperately, needs IF you draft klingon who i think
Speaker 6: is the, Better player Of the two clayton and shangoon,
Speaker 6: do NOT fit at all and i think that they're
Speaker 6: not ready to wave The, flag of course on stongoon
Speaker 6: so they'd rather Have. Him Long Term than clinging so,
Speaker 6: read shepherd at a minimum he's going to be an
Speaker 6: absolute pit bull defensively where he's not going to be an,
Speaker 6: all defensive member at all but he is going. To
Speaker 6: give you maximum effort he's going to make an, impact
Speaker 6: in the passing lanes and whenever you Surround Him, with
Speaker 6: guys like dylan brooks, then all of a sudden it.
Speaker 5: Elevates your overall team.
Speaker 6: Defense they desperately need shooting he, can play on the
Speaker 6: ball he, can play off the ball especially. Where you
Speaker 6: really like Him So if you keep jalen Green around
Speaker 6: And you have fred van vliet and you now are
Speaker 6: getting more into the teeth of the defense and the,
Speaker 6: pain and kicking it out then there there's no, better
Speaker 6: shooter in, this Draft Especially. Off MOVEMENT than read shepherd
Speaker 6: so i think that that's what the kind, of odds
Speaker 6: are telling you is, that if they stay put which
Speaker 6: is hard, to pa off a Trade.
Speaker 5: Then it'll Be. Read shepherd there to houston.
Speaker 3: We've been talking a. Lot about the draft position is
Speaker 3: there anybody in this draft you think goes a little
Speaker 3: bit higher maybe than?
Speaker 5: They're.
Speaker 3: BEING projected right now yeah i.
Speaker 6: Think that what's interesting is the smoke screens, would suggest
Speaker 6: that Because Like in order, for ron holland to fall,
Speaker 6: as People are talking, about Or Dillingham to fall, or
Speaker 6: cody williams to fall. Somebody has to jump up they're.
Speaker 6: Just gonna forfeit those picks so who is.
Speaker 5: It going to.
Speaker 6: Be that makes THE climb one name that i think
Speaker 6: like people could have fall In love, with is like
Speaker 6: jared McCain who can shoot. The ball off the ball
Speaker 6: so if you have a team that's already really good
Speaker 6: at dribble, pass and all that stuff and you just
Speaker 6: need the extra shot and he can come off screens,
Speaker 6: for you. And finish plays he's there, but by the
Speaker 6: same token if you need a table setter to get,
Speaker 6: your scores into their action he's also going to thrive,
Speaker 6: in that area as well so him jumping, up wouldn't
Speaker 6: be a surprise and also in Be You a surprise
Speaker 6: if john salon jumps up as this guy that. We
Speaker 6: fall in love with every, single year in the draft
Speaker 6: you're always going to see these eighteen year olds who
Speaker 6: have a man, body already and you think maybe, we
Speaker 6: can make them shoot maybe, we can fix the jumper because,
Speaker 6: if You fix the jumper then salon has like all the.
Speaker 6: Intangibles you could ever want, he's excellent at the rim
Speaker 6: he's a great feel for the game in, terms of
Speaker 6: a connective passer, in terms of a cutter in, terms
Speaker 6: of a rim finisher and then, defensively because of his
Speaker 6: frame he can defend one through five and so like
Speaker 6: it all comes, down to that Jump SHOT which in
Speaker 6: the myron nba it's a risky proposition to bank gun
Speaker 6: because if the. Jump shot doesn't come around we've seen
Speaker 6: how non shooters are play off the floor regardless of.
Speaker 5: What ELSE they can.
Speaker 6: Do but i could see a team falling in love
Speaker 6: with him and. Him being a surprise jumper but those
Speaker 6: are two guys that keep an eye on in order
Speaker 6: for some of These other Guys To, fall TALKING to.
Speaker 4: Ryland styles bet mgm tonight it don't connect is kind
Speaker 4: of the opposite, of, everything in this draft, right not
Speaker 4: a young. Player not an international prospect he played a
Speaker 4: long time in college but was really GOOD and. HAS
Speaker 4: that prototypical nba body i think he's got a REALLY.
Speaker 4: Bright future in the nba what DO you? Think about
Speaker 4: his nba prospects and, most likely it seems like especially
Speaker 4: where the odds are telling us clearly a top ten
Speaker 4: pick like minus six fifty to. Be a top ten
Speaker 4: pick could he be somebody that maybe even jumps, Up
Speaker 4: a little bit higher maybe a team trades up because
Speaker 4: they want, more of that veteran present somebody that. Has,
Speaker 4: A little more experience.
Speaker 6: Yeah i think that with the connect he is a
Speaker 6: victim of just our draft bias of we always want
Speaker 6: the younger, UPSIDE swing when in raality i think that
Speaker 6: he's gonna be a classic case of, in two years
Speaker 6: from now you're gonna look, back on him and say
Speaker 6: why did? Teams just not draft him because he's so
Speaker 6: much more productive than these guys we did.
Speaker 5: Take in the top five he's.
Speaker 6: Going to have it offensively he's going to be able
Speaker 6: to score at all three levels and be asked to
Speaker 6: do less on the offensive end than He, Was in
Speaker 6: college at tennessee but that's going to, be ACTUALLY better for,
Speaker 6: him and i think that especially with his motor like
Speaker 6: you look At, a TEAM like the thunder who i
Speaker 6: don't think would take him because they don't. Ever DRAFT
Speaker 6: guys this old But i seem like the thunder who
Speaker 6: have constructed this defense that just has, a lot of
Speaker 6: switchable guys a lot of. Guys who fight through screens
Speaker 6: they can easily mask his deficiencies defensively and then easily.
Speaker 6: Benefit from his outside shooting so a team like that
Speaker 6: that has defenders that you trust to hide him on
Speaker 6: the end of the floor and allow him to focus
Speaker 6: on his awareness, level and off ball defense which is able.
Speaker 6: To get out in transition. HELPLE that with his shooting
Speaker 6: i think he'll be one. Of the more productive players
Speaker 6: he's certainly not the sexiest prospect because he, doesn't have
Speaker 6: that tantalizing upside but in TERMS of just who do
Speaker 6: i think, will have a high impact high production, in
Speaker 6: three years from now he's. Certainly high On that list.
Speaker 1: So the thunder mentioned them. Want to get. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: they draft twelve it feels like we never really know what.
Speaker 1: Direction they're GOING to go and Now I mean they're
Speaker 1: just sam presi's a vault man, and the lies are crazy.
Speaker 1: The smoke screens are? Crazy, what does they need, obviously,
Speaker 1: ANOTHER big, is key Right i mean especially with chet
Speaker 1: and some of the big men That were able to body.
Speaker 1: Chet around in the playoffs But With, the trade of
Speaker 1: josh giddy do they also need another guard or what
Speaker 1: do you think considering that you cover?
Speaker 6: This, TEAM day to day yeah I, think that for
Speaker 6: the thunder the BIG's going to jump out to the
Speaker 6: majority of the audience just Given. That, They Only have
Speaker 6: chet really, jay will has improved, significantly you're one to
Speaker 6: two but he's still better as a third. Big, than
Speaker 6: a second big, however in This, draft class like even
Speaker 6: klingon who's one of the, best bigs in this draft
Speaker 6: he does not necessarily, fit WHAT they're looking for and
Speaker 6: i think that there Are other. Priorities for this thunder
Speaker 6: team you, look at the guard position you might think that,
Speaker 6: They're loaded at that spot But go back to that
Speaker 6: mavericks series and A big reason Why The thunder lost
Speaker 6: against dallas mavericks is that they simply could not. Get
Speaker 6: Into their offensive actions the, mavericks were just too athletic they,
Speaker 6: were too good offensive defensively and there was no true
Speaker 6: table setter to take some Of, that pressure Off of
Speaker 6: shay especially as jadeb. Did NOT perform through expectation so
Speaker 6: i think that another guard who can play make would
Speaker 6: be at. The, top of the list also like they
Speaker 6: need another guy who's not, afraid of the big moment
Speaker 6: and that. Will come with Internal development It'll come with
Speaker 6: chut and jada having seen the. Postseason a couple more
Speaker 6: times but you need a guy that's not going, to
Speaker 6: pass up open looks which Happened a. Lot in that
Speaker 6: maverick series so, a guard Who's a, PLAYMAKER like a
Speaker 6: jared McCain I Think. Would fit for, OKLAHOMA city the
Speaker 6: reality Is i think that the thunder could benefit from
Speaker 6: trading down just in any typical year because they don't
Speaker 6: necessarily need. Anyone at twelve to, CONTRIBUTE but in this
Speaker 6: draft i think that we all can agree that, it's
Speaker 6: like a seller's market not anyone no one's really. Looking
Speaker 6: to keep their pick so what value can you actually
Speaker 6: get from trading back that makes it worthwhile is. The
Speaker 6: QUESTION heading into tomorrow But i, would look at jared,
Speaker 6: McCain if they go, GUARD if they go Big I
Speaker 6: would look At, doron holmes out of dayton and if
Speaker 6: they go wing and he's still there And, like slides
Speaker 6: past The Spurs it is a sam Presty Pick to
Speaker 6: draft to john salon and try TO develop him with their.
Speaker 5: G league, system.
Speaker 1: Really quickly follow up What Do you think About. Bob,
Speaker 1: Carrington To the thunder yeah.
Speaker 6: Bob carrington is a recent name that's getting A Lot
Speaker 6: of traction for oklahoma city and he Had a workout,
Speaker 6: with the thunder this week so that's always a good.
Speaker 6: SIGN heading into the Draft, i think that with carrington
Speaker 6: this SHOULD be a spot that i think his agency
Speaker 6: should want him to go to and his camp should
Speaker 6: want him To go to because the thunder could absolutely
Speaker 6: use some more on ball scoring and they don't have
Speaker 6: to have it. Right out Of the choot so the
Speaker 6: thunder of one of the BEST, Developmental systems in the
Speaker 6: nba they have one of. The best gie the infrastructures
Speaker 6: they can use him and kind of slow play him at,
Speaker 6: the start of the season get, him some maturity basketball
Speaker 6: wise get him some reps on THE ball and up
Speaker 6: to nba speed and then usher him into, an already
Speaker 6: ready made corps which will be good, for him down
Speaker 6: the line whether it's in the second half of his rookie. Year,
Speaker 6: or in year two altogether you've seen How Patient, they've
Speaker 6: been with usman jang who they took at pick. Eleven
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two even as they've began to win,
Speaker 6: and climb, up the standings they've stealed, not rush things
Speaker 6: with him and cared about his personal growth and development
Speaker 6: over rushing. Him TO the big league So i think
Speaker 6: that bub carrington coming in a similar spot where we
Speaker 6: understand that he CAN be, a really quality nba. Player
Speaker 6: he's not there yet going to a team that's not
Speaker 6: going to rush him and just throw him out to
Speaker 6: the fray and have, HIM fail at the beginning i think.
Speaker 6: Will be good for him as far as what He.
Speaker 6: Can bring to the thunder you have to, love his
Speaker 6: on ball scoring especially with recent moves and. Trades like
Speaker 6: that secondary Unit there's Belief With a thunder that cason
Speaker 6: wallace can take, a jump on the ball but you're
Speaker 6: banking on one guy at that point to take a
Speaker 6: jump on the ball to, help your secondary unit score
Speaker 6: and so this gives you some insurance as a guy
Speaker 6: that we've seen can score with.
Speaker 5: THE ball in his hands i, have.
Speaker 3: To be selfish here but i'll also add in a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of A draft, question, i'm a bulls fan unfortunately which,
Speaker 3: was awesome three decades ago.
Speaker 1: BUT not so much Today I listened to.
Speaker 3: The josh giddy presser today he expects to unlock. His
Speaker 3: potential after this trade what do you think About that
Speaker 3: deal for.
Speaker 1: The bulls and also what do you think? They, SHOULD
Speaker 1: do tomorrow night.
Speaker 6: Yeah i think that the bulls Like They clearly have
Speaker 6: targeted josh gitty as some. That they think Highly Of
Speaker 6: and we've seen billy donovan, maximized, guards of all shapes
Speaker 6: sizes and even maximized three guards at the same time
Speaker 6: As he did with a thunder in twenty twenty whenever
Speaker 6: he rolled OUT a lineup that If i told You
Speaker 6: In SEPTEMBER he'd Play Chris paul sga and dennis shorter
Speaker 6: Together and he'd be the thunder's best lineup to get
Speaker 6: to be on track to get a four seed and.
Speaker 6: Ended up the fifth seed you'd have laughed. Me off
Speaker 6: of this show but he did it. And he made
Speaker 6: it work so if there's Anyone Who can, tap into
Speaker 6: josh gitty's potential which is massive as, a six' Nine Point,
Speaker 6: guard it Would Be billy donovan even. WITH kobe white
Speaker 6: next To, him i think that with josh he was
Speaker 6: just asked to play a style that was. Not suited for,
Speaker 6: him at all to his credit he never made a
Speaker 6: fuss about, it at all until the offseason so was
Speaker 6: not a Disgruntle player at all for the thunder as
Speaker 6: they went To The. Second round of The, INDIANA playoffs
Speaker 6: now for the bulls i think that they should really hope.
Speaker 6: That these Smoke Screens, Are true You've Got, josh gitty
Speaker 6: you've got kobe white and independent of What you Decided,
Speaker 6: to do with throzen and levie you should hope that
Speaker 6: the smoke screens Are True and That One of ron
Speaker 6: holland or cody williams falls that far. BECAUSE you want
Speaker 6: that banking, upside I think both those guys while i
Speaker 6: HAVE him in this upside and i have both of
Speaker 6: them in my, top five on my big board they
Speaker 6: ALSO have an elevated floor where i THINK that they're
Speaker 6: going to be nba contributors with star power in the
Speaker 6: star in this draft would. Mean LIKE all star level
Speaker 6: player and i think that if those reports are True And,
Speaker 6: you END up getting josh giddy Who I, really believe
Speaker 6: in with billy donovan and you END up getting a
Speaker 6: guy who i would have my Top Five at That Point, of.
Speaker 5: Cody williams or.
Speaker 6: Ron holland that would be exceptional an exceptional way is
Speaker 6: of three offseason with All that they can Do With
Speaker 6: levigne and with the, rosen independent of those guys falling
Speaker 6: then it depends.
Speaker 5: Which way you.
Speaker 6: Want to go as an organization would you want to
Speaker 6: go for it and like make sure? You, get a
Speaker 6: win now Player yeah to push? For the eastern PLAYOFFS
Speaker 6: this year at that point I Would go With Even.
Speaker 6: Either devin carter or, Dalton Connect, Love That.
Speaker 4: All Right Ryland, Styles, lockdown thunders podcast. DRAFT digest man
Speaker 4: that was awesome i have looked, forward to this draft
Speaker 4: tomorrow night. Probably gonna be a, little, chaotic appreciate you coming.
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