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Speaker 1: All Right, joined by Tony Pauline has always with sports

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Speaker 1: Keda dot com. I am John Schmelt and folks, if

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Speaker 1: you're just joining us, maybe you're new to draft season.

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Speaker 1: We're really getting into the meat of quote unquote draft

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Speaker 1: season now. Even though this is a Giants podcast per se,

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Speaker 1: this is not a Giants topical podcast. We do all draft.

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Speaker 1: an overall draft podcast. So if you're not a Giants fan,

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Speaker 1: stick with us. We'll carry you through the next three

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Speaker 1: at the end of April, and of course then we'll

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Speaker 1: be back. We do shows from August to January every year.

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Speaker 1: Tony and I just got back a few days ago

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Speaker 1: from Frisco, Texas and Mobile for the Shrine Bowl and

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And Tony, I mean, we got the best

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Speaker 1: That was as good as it gets.

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Speaker 2: My friend, yeah, a couple of years ago, I think

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Speaker 1: It, absolutely. Yeah. I started early every day. I was

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Speaker 1: I agree Dylan Gabriel. Another guy, Tony, I know you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, team's gonna see six five, two twenty in a

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Speaker 1: He just note on Mullings, the Michigan running back, the

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Speaker 2: Smaller guy, very quick, has a burst, was basically uncoverable

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Speaker 2: But he's just so fast and so explosive. Somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: No question about it. And then you two of the

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Speaker 1: I thought Ty Felton just frankly, they trouble covering him short, intermediate, deep.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, a couple of the wide receives I want to

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Speaker 2: you're a great player, but you just don't fit our offense.

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00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: Either transfer or into the draft. He decided to enter

433
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 2: the draft. He is a big body, athletic guy who

434
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,640
Speaker 2: catches the ball exceptionally well, show some ability as a blocker.

435
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be under I don't know if

436
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 2: he gets in the third round, probably more of a

437
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 2: fourth round guy. But really, when you put him into

438
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: a system that's tailored for his talents, I think for

439
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 2: Donnie's gonna be a real good player, as he showed

440
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: at the senior ball.

441
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 1: All right, two tight ends. I want to bring up

442
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: real quick Tony. I thought Terrence Ferguson and of Oregon,

443
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: UH sixty five. I thought he had a nice week,

444
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 1: good athlete, big got open, caught the ball extremely well,

445
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: had a nice one handed catch at one of these

446
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: competition drules, and then on one of the practices, and

447
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 1: then I want to ask you about Mason Taylor. All Right,

448
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 1: the Jason Taylor son at LSU, good solid all around player.

449
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 1: I watched him before I got there. I was like,

450
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: all right, he's a good player, you know, late day

451
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: two type of guy for me. You know, I don't

452
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 1: know if it's the pedigree. And again I talked to

453
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: Mason Taylor's sweet kid, smart. I think he's gonna be

454
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: a good all around tight end. You know, people coming

455
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: out of Day one like he's a huge winner.

456
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: He was dominant.

457
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: Did I miss something?

458
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean he was.

459
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: He was fractional compared to Royal, especially with the Royal speed,

460
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 2: eat and ability to get down the field. He caught

461
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: the ball well, like you said, plays with good body control.

462
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 2: But there's nothing that really stands out. There's nothing that

463
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 2: wows you, or at least didn't wow me about Mason Taylor.

464
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 2: I mean, he's very good and he's going to be

465
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 2: a good, very good starting tight end. When you compare

466
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: him with some of the guys like a Wrier, you know,

467
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: you like to use that word juice. I didn't see

468
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: a lot of juice in his game. With the ability

469
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: to get downfield as far as terrorce Terrence Ferguson's concern.

470
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: Real good in all aspects, but not great in any

471
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: single aspect. So I think what that means is he's

472
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: going to be a solid Day three pick and will

473
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: be a very good number two tight end that is,

474
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: a three down player at the position third and short.

475
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 2: You can put him on the line as an in

476
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: line blocker, or you can send him out on a

477
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: four to five yard route for the for to catch

478
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: the ball and he'll do a good job for you.

479
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Agree, All right, Let's go to the offensive line, Tony.

480
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: And given the strength of the defensive lines in this group,

481
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line were then held their own

482
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: over the course of three days of practice. I think

483
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys helped themselves.

484
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: This was probably my favorite group, and it's my favorite

485
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: group because when I go to the senior ball, you know,

486
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: I come in with these expectations and if the guys

487
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: deliver more like I said with Jalen Noel, that is

488
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: what is impressed. That's what impresses me. And it was

489
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: this these groups that did it, and it was the

490
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: smaller school guys that did it, not just the small

491
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: school one double a FCS guys, but the smaller one

492
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: A guys. Gray Zabel was fantastic. We talked about him

493
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: early on when they North Dakota State played a tough

494
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: game against or played a tight game which they eventually

495
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: lost to Colorado. I believe it was week one of

496
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: the college season, and Zabel really stood up. He was phenomenal,

497
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: and he played multiple positions. Guard, played guard, played center,

498
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: and he did a terrific job. And these guys are

499
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: playing against Dean Walker, they're playing against Walter Nolan. They

500
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: weren't playing against inferior talent. And Zabel I thought was phenomenal,

501
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: as was Jackson Slater, the big, stocky broad guy from

502
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: Sacramento State. He's tough, not as much of a zone

503
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: blocker compared to Gray's label, but a terrific small area

504
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: power blocker who held his own at both guard and center.

505
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: They don't make three hundred and twenty pounds centers anymore.

506
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: If he could play center at three twenty, that's really

507
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: good size.

508
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: Jacob Bayer of Arkansas State. I'm sorry of Louisiana. He

509
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: held his own all week again against Dion Walker. Here's

510
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: a guy who's probably giving up forty pounds fifty pounds

511
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: to Dion Walker, and he's controlling the point of attack.

512
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: Solid fundamentals. A Day three pick, Clay Webb out of

513
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State, I thought played exceptionally well day in and

514
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: day out. He was winning every snap in those one

515
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: on ones, and then look good in the scrimmages. There's

516
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 2: some off the field character things that concerned a couple

517
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: of teams about the Clay Web, but still, I mean,

518
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: you go to the senior ball, You're like, Okay, maybe

519
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: this guy as a very late pick late in the

520
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: draft and he has a performance like that, it just

521
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 2: does nothing but help us draft stocks.

522
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: Clay Webb is also a five star Georgia transfer, so

523
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: he definitely had the pedigree as a guy even though

524
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: he is a Jacksonville State gap.

525
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: I thought Anthony Belton of North Carolina State did a

526
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: terrific job at left tackle. Here's a guy who two

527
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: years ago scouts thought he's a potential first round pick,

528
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: did not play that well in twenty twenty three, made

529
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: the right decision, came back, played as played in twenty

530
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: twenty four for the wolf Pack, had a real good year.

531
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal athlete. He's three hundred and forty five pounds.

532
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna run in the four nines of the combine.

533
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: He's going to test exceptionally well. Consistency and basically confidence

534
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: has been a problem for Belton, but I think he

535
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: got that all figured out. Two college tackles from the

536
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: Big twelve whore I thought did very well at guard.

537
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: Caleb Rodgers from Texas Tech played guard and center. Problem

538
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: with him is he got short arms, so he's definitely

539
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: an interior guy. I think his arms were like thirty

540
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: one and a half. And then Wyatt Millam I thought

541
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: played very well at guard throughout the week. I heard

542
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: from some people that said they thought he was exceptional

543
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: during the game. And you know a lot of people

544
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: talk about Wyatt Milim as a first round tackle. I

545
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: never bought into that. He's definitely affirmed himself as a

546
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: second round guard.

547
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: I like that. And you have Emery Jones on your

548
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: list too, you want to touch on them, Tony. I

549
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: was impressed by his team min Miles Frasier. I thought

550
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: it Miles Fraser had a really good big of practice.

551
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: I was not impressed with Emery Jones. That's why he's

552
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: on the list, and the thing is, Emery Jones really

553
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: has been on a downslide, you know, since the beginning

554
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: of season a La Jaylen Milrode Emory Jones coming into

555
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: the season was graded just slightly below his teammate Will

556
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Campbell by scouts who great underclassmen, and it's been all downhill.

557
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: You can see the ability there, you can see the

558
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: strength and the power, but there's a lot of inconsistency.

559
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of poor mentals on too many snaps.

560
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: Doesn't set with a white bass. Bend's at the waist,

561
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: and I think it's really going to go. We're at

562
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: the situation where every Jones, who everyone thought would be

563
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: a first round pick entering the season, you're looking at

564
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: barely a third round selection right now. Yeah, he had

565
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: a couple of good one on ones with Baron Sorel

566
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: at the end of one of the practice as a competition,

567
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: I mentioned Fraser as a teammate a guard. I thought

568
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: he did a pretty good job. Tony Miles, Fraser, your guy,

569
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Josh Connelly. I know only the only thing people are

570
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna remember about him is the bad Repiet against the

571
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Marshall Mike uh that I got blasted on Twitter, but

572
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was pretty good. Played mostly left tackle,

573
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: had a couple of snaps on the right side, which

574
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: he really hadn't done before. Marcus Bow, I think you

575
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: saw his athleticism and his traits, but you also saw

576
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: what he has to work on. He did mostly right tackle,

577
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: he did a little bit of right guard. At the

578
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: end of the week, he did what I think he

579
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: took one or two snaps at left tackle, where he

580
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: really hasn't played a ton. So I think Bow was

581
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: a guy that will go one day two that people

582
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: will pick as a developmental tackle. His measurements ended up

583
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: being really good. I'll give him for the folks, six

584
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: zero four three ten thirty three inch arms. That's why

585
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: some people might see him even though he's tackle for

586
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: a feet for a tackle arms of a guard. So

587
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: we'll see where he fits in there. And then one

588
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: guy who I thought started off slow Tony is the

589
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: Boston College offensive tackle Ozzie Trappolo. I thought he ended

590
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: up having a really good last couple of days at

591
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Big kids, six seven and a half three

592
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: twenty thirty three and a half inch arms. That was

593
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: a guy that you know going in I had him

594
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: in the expectations for but I thought he played really

595
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: well the last two days of practice.

596
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I would agree with you. Go back to bow.

597
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: I spoke with some of the some of the edge

598
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: rushers who went up against him, and they said, we

599
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: know he's light, we know how to exploit it. We're

600
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: just gonna basically bull rush him off the ball. Getting

601
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: back to that play where a Green demolished connorly and

602
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: it's all over the internet. I spoke with a couple

603
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: of scouts who were down there who said Connelly didn't

604
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: look like he was ready. It was as much the

605
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: fact that Connolly was not set on that play as

606
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: it was a good play by Green. But it's out

607
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: there and everybody's you know, falling over Green and saying

608
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: Connolly stinks. Not the same sort of opinion in this

609
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: in the scouty community.

610
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Connolly tried to short set him to get on

611
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: him quick, and before he even got his feet down,

612
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: Green was on top of him. It was just a

613
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: bad combination of factors and look bad for Connolly. But again,

614
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: it's one on one reps. It's one rep and obviously

615
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: the advantage goes to the defense in those reps.

616
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: So, and I think, I think what people are looking

617
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: at is, you know, the issue with Green is the

618
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: size and the strength. And then all of a sudden

619
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: he bull rushes, you know, a big ten offensive tackle

620
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: form pack twelve offense offensive tackle back into the apocket like, oh, well,

621
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: he's strong enough. You know he's got he proved it

622
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: right there. That's not the case.

623
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's your guy, Tony. I think Connolly showed

624
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: that he can play offensive tackle. He's gonna get drafted

625
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: as a tackle and teams are going to try him

626
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: there first.

627
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: So what was his arm like, you have his arm

628
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: like that?

629
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I think it was thirty four flat, I believe, which

630
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: is more than long enough. Let me get that exact number.

631
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: Four thirty four flat six oh four three thirteen thirty

632
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: four in charms, good night.

633
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there are a couple of guys who measured

634
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: Tailler and had Membo who didn't play or played one day,

635
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: and I think he had food poisoning.

636
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah he has a eurodays yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Membo

637
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: never got out there. He had food poisoning, never never,

638
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: never practiced.

639
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: He had some impressive, pressive measurements and that and that's

640
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: one of the things that you see you want to

641
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: look for, is you know, when the season begins, the

642
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: scouts come out with their grades, with their measurements, and

643
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: you see how it matches up. Or these guys bigger

644
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: than what they were or what they were reported to

645
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: be in over the summer, or they shorter, and some

646
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: of these guys I think really did well on the

647
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: on the measurements.

648
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Perhaps season is presented by Moody's, a proud part of

649
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, uniting the bright minions to turn

650
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: today's risk into tomorrow's opportunity. He's learned more at Moody's

651
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: dot com. All right, Tony, let's jump over to the

652
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Here the defensive line. We

653
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: knew he was a good group coming in, and they

654
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: did not disappoint.

655
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: They didn't. But it wasn't the big name guys that

656
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: we expected to really dominate. Who did. I thought it

657
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: was the lesser name guys. I thought Josh Farmer of

658
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: Florida State was really good. He's quick, he's explosive, he's

659
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: got good size, he's got some strength. He was very

660
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: up and down the past two years at Florida State.

661
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: Where you know on one play, you know, he would

662
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: just dominate and then he would disappear. He was dominant

663
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: during the senior ball and I think he really helped

664
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: his draft stock. Terrific first step plays with great head level,

665
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: shows some power, shows some good hand movements. Yeah, I

666
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: thought Darius Alexander of Toledo had his moments. A quick,

667
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: three technique, one gap type of tackle who plays with

668
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: great leverage and pad level. I like Jamari Caldwell of Oregon.

669
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: I know everyone's in love with Derek Harmon. I understand that,

670
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: and Colwell's gonna go much later in the draft. But

671
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: he is explosive. He moves relatively well for a big man.

672
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: Like to see him some more power in his game,

673
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: uses his hands well, did very well or most of

674
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: the times, did well in those one on ones and

675
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: was able to exploit the blocker he was up against.

676
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: No question, I'll throw a couple of names out there

677
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: for you, Tony. I thought Junior Tifuna and a You

678
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: guys some really good reps the last two days. You know,

679
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: you watch him play and he plays with such power

680
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: where he just drives guys backwards. But he's just six

681
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: three three h three, so He's not the biggest guy,

682
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: but he plays I think with great strength. You mentioned Farmer.

683
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Darrek's Alexander to me like six

684
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: three and a half three or four thirty four inch arms.

685
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: He checks so many boxes physically as that big, long,

686
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: lean defensive tackle. I'm with you. I thought he played

687
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: particularly well. And if you're looking for, like, like a

688
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: big guy, that that's gonna be a plugger for you.

689
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: You know Tim Smith out of Alabama. You know he's

690
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: not the most athletic guy, but he's six four three eleven.

691
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: I thought he played with a pretty good power. There

692
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: are a couple other guys who wanted to mention in

693
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: this group.

694
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well are guys who I think disappointed. I mean,

695
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan was good in spots, but he also got

696
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: handled by the clay Webs and the Gray's Abels of

697
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: the world. He was not as dominant as I expected

698
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: him to be. I thought this would be a big

699
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: platform for him to really move into the middle. Round

700
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: One didn't see it from him, and I thought it

701
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: was just a terrible week for Dion Walker from Kentucky.

702
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: I mean, his draft stock continues to slide down. Did

703
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: not have a good campaign in twenty twenty four. He's overweight.

704
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we both saw it. He's wearing a cut

705
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: off not even a cutoff shirt. He's not as a

706
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: shirt tucked in, raises his arm. You see his stomach

707
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: flapping around. And he was just getting handled by lesser opponents,

708
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: by the clay Webs, you know, by the Jacob bayers,

709
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: by the Jackson slayers, or at least guys you think

710
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: that he should have dominated, and he never did. Didn't

711
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: even come out for the last day of practice.

712
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the I want to

713
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: mention Ty Robinson very quickly. He's a guy that I

714
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: thought we might see a little bit more from too, Tony.

715
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: I thought the last day he woke up a little

716
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: bit and was getting some penetration, but he wasn't getting

717
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: up field as much as you saw on tape. He

718
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: and one good tackle for loss in the game on Saturday,

719
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: but I was spent and I talked to him, Brick Kidd,

720
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I was expecting a little bit more out of Robinson.

721
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I spent some time with him, and I would

722
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: agree with you. And I'm a Robinson guy just like

723
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm a Jalen Miro guy. That last day sort of

724
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: redeemed himself for me. But the first two days you're

725
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: absolutely right. I mean he was basically non existent.

726
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the edge players, Tony and

727
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: uh Ola fami Oladejo. I'm with you. He's the first

728
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: guy in your list. I've rewatched some of the one

729
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: on ones this morning. You lint him up outside, you

730
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: line him up inside. Just his power, his punch, his burst.

731
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: He just seemed to have. Every offensive lineman he went

732
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: up against was on the defensive the whole time, and

733
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: he made them uncomfortable. This is the first year in

734
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: his career that he played the edge. He was an

735
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: inside linebacker and they made they moved him to the

736
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: edge to make room for Swessinger, who was there middle

737
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: linebacker UCLA this year. He came at six h two

738
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: and three quarters two sixty one thirty three and a

739
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: half inch arms. That guy, I was the best edge

740
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: rusher there, and that's understanding. There's some potential first round

741
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: picks there. All. Dejo was phenomenal.

742
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: I got to spend an extensive amount of time with

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: him on Wednesday evening. He's an interesting guy. Talk about

744
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: his play like you said, there was a couple of

745
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: times on Thursday where they're laying lined them up over center.

746
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Now he was standing up. They lined them up over center,

747
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: and he destroyed the center. He destroyed him on the outside,

748
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: He destroyed him on the inside. He was the guy

749
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: that told me that when he went up against Bow,

750
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: he knew that Bow was a little white and he

751
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: knew how he could beat him, and he did. And

752
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: he showed a variety moves, primarily standing up over tackle.

753
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: Just a super interesting guy. He's not you know, when

754
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: I would say something that I didn't like about, not

755
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: necessarily him something else. It wasn't even about football. He

756
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: wanted to know why I didn't like it. He wanted

757
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: me to go into detail. We actually went out to

758
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: dinner and were leaving the restaurant because I was going

759
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: to drive him back to the player's hotel, and he

760
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: stopped and spoke with every scout that he interviewed with

761
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: that he spoke with over the course of the week,

762
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: and he would go up to them and start speaking

763
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: with them. Point being, is you saw what you are.

764
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: You saw the film, If you saw the practices, you

765
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: saw him dominating the practices. He comes across as a

766
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: great personality, as a guy who's really good. He transferred

767
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: from Camel so you know, getting the cal he's got

768
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: to be kind of smart, and he shows those smarts.

769
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: Just a real interesting, very likable guy. And you know,

770
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: hands down, this was my big winner from the senior ball.

771
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: And here's the guy who you know, in start season starts,

772
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: people are looking at him a six round pick. Season

773
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: goes on, he's playing much better. You're thinking maybe, you know,

774
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: late day two, I think probably if he's got some

775
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: if he puts in some good numbers of the combine,

776
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: you're looking at a second round pick.

777
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm with you. You know, he he outplayed the the

778
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: two big edge players. There are three big ones here

779
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: that came to the game, and we'll touch on them now.

780
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: Mike Green Well, I thought I had himself a really

781
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: good week left after two days because he you know,

782
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Jeris agents like, nope, you're blue upout social media, get

783
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: out of here. So he got out of here. But

784
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: I thought Oladijo was better than Princely Yuman Mialen who

785
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: was there from Ole miss And I thought Donovan Azarak

786
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: who had a good week too. But I thought the

787
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: UCLA player was better than he was over a couple

788
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: of days.

789
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: Every time he, you know, lined up for one on one,

790
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: you turned your head because you wont the you know,

791
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: you wanted to see what was gonna happen next. She

792
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: knew he was going to win. Was it gonna be

793
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: an outside rush? Was he going to be an inside moved?

794
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: They had got on him up on the inside.

795
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Washed Tony. He was so strong at two sixty he

796
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: was man handling bigger guys.

797
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: And it was consistent. It was consistent. You know, some

798
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: of these guys, as we've seen in the past, they

799
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: have one good day of practice. This guy was good

800
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: every single day.

801
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: And he was a talker too. By the way, when

802
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: he beat you, he lets you know about it. Like

803
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: he was definitely one of the guys. I was having

804
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: fun out there, all right. I'm gonna throw David Walker

805
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: out there, Tony, but I'm gonna be honest with you.

806
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: I had no idea who David Walker is before I

807
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: walked into Mobile. I feel bad about that. He's from

808
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Central Arkansas. He's also just really weirdly shaped, all right.

809
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: He's just over six feet tall, six foot half inch,

810
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: only two hundred and sixty seven pounds with thirty one

811
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: and three quarter in charms. He's kind of stumpy, like he's.

812
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: Short, he's squat, he's kind of thick.

813
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: But they could have blocked him whether he was on

814
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: the edge or when he moved into three technique. This

815
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: guy was unblockable and guys just didn't seem to know

816
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: what to do with him.

817
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Very explosive plays with great head level, gup leverage on opponents,

818
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: showed a variety of moves. I think those measurables are

819
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: going to keep him out of Day two. But what

820
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: you're looking at now based off of his workout, but

821
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: based off of his Senior Bowl performance, and like Ola days,

822
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: you he was good every single day. It wasn't like

823
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: he was good on Tuesday, and he was good every

824
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: single day. In fact, I texted people who had left

825
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: mobile on Thursdays like Walker is blowing it up. But

826
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: with those measurables, what you're looking at right now is

827
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: a Day three selection. Who's going to be a past

828
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: rush specialist, special teamer on Sunday at the next level.

829
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt about it. You go from Central Arkansas,

830
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: what a Division two school with those measurables, and then

831
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: you can't be stopped every single day. Absolutely came out

832
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: of the Senior Ball as a winner. All right. Who

833
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: else on the edge drew your attention? Well, you know

834
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: we talked about Mike Green. No, no, no reason to

835
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: go any further than that, very explosive, incredibly athletic. Forget

836
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: about to play with Connolly. I still think he's got

837
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: to get a little bit bigger and stronger so we

838
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: can hold up against the run. But Josiah Stewart of

839
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: Michigan also had also had a couple of nice days

840
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: of practice. You know, he is what he's He's got

841
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: those funky measurables like David Walker's a little bit taller

842
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: than Walker, but he's very explosive, incredibly quick, and again

843
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: not just an edge rusher who was able to beat

844
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: guys to the inside and show a variety of moves.

845
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: And that's very important. You got to show that you're

846
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: not just a one trick pony.

847
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna throw two other guys out there, Lannon Jackson,

848
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: the big kid out of Arkansas. Again, you're looking for

849
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: a bigger you know, not just pass rushing edge rusher.

850
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: Six h five and a half two seventy three thirty

851
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: three and a half in drums. Really big kid, right quiet.

852
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: The first two days, Day three, he was really good

853
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: and then he had stripsack in the game. He had

854
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: another pressure in the game. I thought he came on

855
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: late in the week.

856
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: He's a guy who I don't want see. He's an overachiever,

857
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: but he plays better than you expect. And he's not

858
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: just a pass rusher, you know, as you mentioned, he's

859
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: a bigger guy. You watch the film, he gives effort

860
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: against the run and he does a nice job shutting

861
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Speaker 2: down the run.

862
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Last guy I want to bring up Tony is Savion Jones.

863
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: So I gotta be honest with you. Like the practices

864
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: during the week, He's not somebody that I was like,

865
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Savian Jones, don't loo can block him six

866
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: y five two ninety thirty three and a half inch

867
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: arms In the game they line them up over the guard.

868
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: He'd be Gray's able like three times in a row.

869
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Zabel was great all week. They put

870
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Jones a defensive tackle with that three technique in the

871
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: game on Saturday. He was in the backfield that whole game.

872
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: So that was an interesting watch for me.

873
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they found the spot at the next level

874
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: because you know, he was a guy who when I

875
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: watched the film, when I watched the games during the season, Lsu,

876
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: I would wait for him to make plays, wait for

877
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: him to make plays, and he never really did make plays,

878
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: just like he mentioned during a practice. So you know,

879
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: that's the one thing about the senior ball. You know

880
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: you mentioned Gray's Abel College tackle moved them inside the guard,

881
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: used them at center. Caleb Rogers of Texas Tech College

882
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: tackle moved them inside the guard. That's the beauty of

883
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: the senior ball. As they moved these guys around, they

884
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: see if they got versatility to be used at different positions.

885
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: Maybe Samanon Jones found Sunday spot.

886
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. All right, let's jump over

887
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: to the linebacker position, Tony, who are the three guys

888
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: that jumped out of you?

889
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: Justin barn of Syracuse was the only linebacker who showed

890
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: well in coverage shrills. He was the only guy, whether

891
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: it was running backs, whether it was tight ends, would

892
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: be able to stay on the pass catcher's hip and

893
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: make plays on the ball. That's what he is on film.

894
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: He's an athletic guy. He's fast, slightly undersized, but I

895
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: love the athleticism and I love the ability to make

896
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: plays by Baron when the ball was in the air.

897
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: The only linebacker who in three days of Senior Bowl

898
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: practice on either team was able to do it on

899
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: a consistent basic basis. I thought Jeffrey Bossa, I like

900
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: him a lot, tough, hard working guy, very athletic. Leads

901
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: by example, was going sideline to sideline making plays. I

902
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: thought he had a couple of nice stays of practice.

903
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: And Smail London of Georgia. Again, smaller guy, but goes

904
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: sideline to sideline and makes as many plays with his

905
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: head and instincts as he does with his sheer physical talent.

906
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll throw two guys out there. Jack Kaiser from

907
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He was an elite ad. I thought he

908
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: was all over the field. He had an interception in practice,

909
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: he had a couple of pass breakups. I thought he

910
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: played particularly well. I had a chance to talk to him.

911
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Really smart guy. And then Demetrio's Knight. I thought it

912
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: was another player that's just kind of all over the

913
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: he saw the sideline.

914
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: He hits Carolina very very active, Yeah, very very plays

915
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: with a nasty almost violent sort of temperament to his game.

916
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: You know, likes the physical contact, was making a lot

917
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: of plays in pursuit and out to the out to

918
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: the flanks.

919
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: When you watch them defensive backs, Tony, I didn't think

920
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: this was one of the groups that was really jumped

921
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: out of me at least. But who did you like

922
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: at that? Cornerbacks, by the though, you mentioned one of

923
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: them off the top. Yeah, as a right Thomas of

924
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Florida State.

925
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Here is a guy. When I watched him on film,

926
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: he was up and down, but I thought he had

927
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: three really good days of practice. He's a bigger cornerback.

928
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: He's a physical cornerback. What really impressed me about him

929
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: was his ability to get his head back around and

930
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: track the pass in the air rather than faceguard. I

931
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: was very impressed with him, you know, I remember, I

932
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: mean I sent you the email about guys to watch.

933
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: I really didn't see it in him on film. Absolutely

934
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: so during senior bal practice, I thought he was terrific.

935
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: Say, they don't put him on Ted Johnson anymore. That

936
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: is not a good matchup for him. He got led

937
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: up on Ted Johnson way too many times.

938
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: Dorian Strong of Virginia Tech had two really good days

939
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: of practice before he left. I think he had a

940
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: hamstring issue. Brandon Adams of Central Florida, another bigger cornerback

941
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: who showed flashes, wasn't consistent. I didn't think overall the

942
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: defensive backs on either side were a good group. Well.

943
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: Brandon Adams did show a lot of ability. I thought

944
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: Jonas Sanker, the safety from Virginia, played very very well.

945
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: Came into the season granted as a low level of

946
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: a free agent. I thought he played well last year

947
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: for Virginia. And I thought he made a lot of

948
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: plays in coverage because he's a safety, and what you

949
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: want to see what these safeties are. How do they

950
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: do in coverage? How do they do in the one

951
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: on ones? How did they do in scrimmage? And I

952
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: thought Sanka made a lot of nice plays in coverage,

953
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: both both in full scrimmage the team jills as well

954
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 2: as the one on ones.

955
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, two other safeties that the Dante Trader had some

956
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: moments over the course of the week. And I thought

957
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: Dan Jackson out of Jorge, kind of a big hitter.

958
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: I thought he had a big hit in the game

959
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: to separate a receiver from the ball. He also had

960
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: a big hit on Jack Besh in a red zone

961
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: drill to separate him from a ball over the course

962
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: of practice. Then at corner, I thought Quincy Riley and

963
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: Darien Porter, both on the national team, I thought they

964
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: had decent days in coverage. Both guys want to play

965
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: man to man. Porters a bigger guy, uh six seven.

966
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: And then I thought Max Haston at a Kentucky was

967
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: also pretty good at the cornerback again, kind of a longer,

968
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: lighter guy that wants to be press outside. Those are

969
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: the corners that kind of jumped out of me.

970
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hashton, I would agree with you, Hashton. Like quarter

971
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: were up and down. There was no sheer consistency. There

972
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: was no Ola days used in the secondary group from

973
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: either team. That guys that just dominated day after day

974
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: after day. Most of these guys had their moments, but

975
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: they also got beaty times.

976
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: All right, So Tony and I have kind of our

977
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: schedule is set up now between now in the combine.

978
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Speaker 1: I believe the older Tony, We're gonna do your top

979
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: ten at different positions next week, right then we're gonna

980
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: have a mock draft, and then we're gonna do our combin.

981
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate Breck te other folks would you have coming out?

982
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have updated rankings at the Sports Skieda, especially

983
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: with the mock Draft simulator. You like that mock draft simulator.

984
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: It's now starting to be populated with scouting reports. So

985
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: if you go there the end of this week, the

986
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: end of this week being you know, February nineth or so,

987
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: before the Super Bowl, the mock Draft simulator will be

988
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: updated with updated rankings which will also be able to

989
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: be found as well as scouting reports. Don't have the

990
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: big conferences yet, just have the one Double A guys

991
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: and the Conference USA, Sun Belt, AAC those sorts of conferences.

992
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: But we're starting to move into where we will have

993
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: four hundred plus scouting reports in the mock Draft simulator,

994
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: which is always fun to play. Be careful, it's addictive, Yeah,

995
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: yes it is.

996
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: And then Tony will have a Monck draft coming out

997
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. We'll talk about that on the show.

998
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: We'll do our.

999
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Updated top ten rankings at each position or Tony will

1000
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: have is and then I get to pick them apart

1001
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, which is always fun. And then we

1002
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: have our combine preview, then we're off to the combine,

1003
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: so make sure you check all that out on Draft

1004
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,960
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