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Speaker 2: But he's been gone, he's been after, he's.

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Speaker 1: Been outside the sport and frankly behaving in a way

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Speaker 1: It's a remap from many many years.

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Speaker 3: That was the introduction of Nick die If we learned anything,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was Robby Lawler when he mentioned out of

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Speaker 3: Second, First of all, this is a big night Tito

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Speaker 2: It's called It's on.

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Speaker 3: The actions, the mannerisms which became so normal to who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he may have done that, do you think you

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Speaker 3: You see the shit talking the video package where Nick's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, Lawler's he's not as good as he thinks

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Speaker 3: this was the first fight Luke. Although I mentioned he

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Speaker 2: Right, So why don't you walk them through?

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Speaker 1: What did you see from Robbie Lawler in terms of

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Speaker 1: This was a major turning point for Nick because, as

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Speaker 3: And even though he can be rocked, he can be dropped,

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Speaker 1: People don't realize he was closely getting a title shot

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Speaker 3: was interesting the quote in the video package beforehand is

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Speaker 3: Nick saying, this is kind of a bad matchup for me,

435
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Speaker 3: but I guess I just have to work through it.

436
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Speaker 3: I'll see what I can do. I'll just try my best.

437
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,360
Speaker 3: So he knew coming in against an aggressive ground specialist.

438
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Speaker 3: Because let's not forget we know what Carl became Carl Parisian.

439
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,320
Speaker 3: His outside the ring life wasn't always on point. There

440
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,240
Speaker 3: was drug addiction issues and things like that. But inside

441
00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,639
Speaker 3: the cage he was raw with the striking, but he

442
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Speaker 3: over came that rawness with insane aggression, and when you

443
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 3: mix that with a knowledge of the judo and grappling games,

444
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 3: this was a tough matchup on paper. Carl's only UFC

445
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,919
Speaker 3: loss up to this point was a three round decision

446
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 3: against GSPN, which he was in that fight and had

447
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 3: moments so to see that.

448
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Speaker 1: G was a different you just be took him down

449
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 1: and controlled him, so a very different fight.

450
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Speaker 3: But to see this fight start and Carl Parisian get

451
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Speaker 3: the early trip not just a trip, take on a

452
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Speaker 3: trip slam where you're like, oh, at his core, Nick

453
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 3: is the ground guy. He showed you against Robbie he

454
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Speaker 3: could fight, so it's a new Nick. But at his

455
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Speaker 3: core he's the ground guy. And here's a guy a

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Speaker 3: little bit more aggressive than him who right away is

457
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Speaker 3: putting him on his back. You knew that this was

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Speaker 3: going to be a fight. And Luke, I just want

459
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Speaker 3: to say one thing. This is one of my five

460
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Speaker 3: favorite fights in him in my history. This is so rewatchable.

461
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Speaker 3: It's the perfect mix of still being early UFC, so

462
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Speaker 3: it's so raw and they're striking, especially when this fight

463
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Speaker 3: got batchit crazy. It's raw, Carl persian is. It's almost

464
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Speaker 3: the reason why he watch it.

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Speaker 2: You will be underwhelmed by the strike, the reason.

466
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Speaker 3: Why he didn't become what what maybe he could have,

467
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Speaker 3: you know, some to the personal issues and stuff. But also,

468
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 3: I mean his striking game was so I mean, he's

469
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Speaker 3: just throwing Ben Askrin type, just wild shit, looking straight

470
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Speaker 3: down he runs in with his face down headed into

471
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Speaker 3: oncoming traffic. Yet that was offset by how brilliant the

472
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 3: transitions and exchanges were on the ground between two guys

473
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Speaker 3: who knew what they were doing down there. You add

474
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Speaker 3: that it's a fast pace. This was a fucking amazing

475
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 3: fight because of the fighting spirit of both coming together.

476
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Speaker 3: There was not one second in this fight where both

477
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Speaker 3: of them weren't trying to win it. No, and that's

478
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Speaker 3: not automatic. They kept getting pushed by the hook. That's

479
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Speaker 3: not automatic.

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Speaker 2: And also let's think about some of the broader lessons here.

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Speaker 1: If you think about it large what would you say

482
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Speaker 1: large swaths of the fight were contested on the feet

483
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Speaker 1: and in the clinch, and large swaths of it were

484
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Speaker 1: various forms of attempted ground domination by the other one.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think that's a fair way to put it.

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Speaker 1: This fight was not singularly responsible for anything related to this,

487
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Speaker 1: but it did play a role in showing if you

488
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Speaker 1: have the right matchup in this mattered in two thousand

489
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Speaker 1: and four. This is pre the ultimate fighter. Keep that

490
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Speaker 1: in mind, where not even had the ultimate fighter, yet

491
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Speaker 1: we have a case where you have two grapplers in

492
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Speaker 1: the fight.

493
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Speaker 2: Is absolutely thrilling.

494
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Speaker 1: That was not necessarily something that a lot of fans

495
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Speaker 1: understood or accepted at that time. Now it's obviously very

496
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Speaker 1: very common knowledge, but it was a big deal at

497
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Speaker 1: the time. Number two, this was one of a painful

498
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Speaker 1: lesson for Nick Diaz, probably literally infiguratively.

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Speaker 2: And here's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You'll see this repeated throughout portions of his career when

501
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Speaker 1: he loses. This was the first time I was like, Okay,

502
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Speaker 1: Nick Daz is very, very good on the ground, but

503
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Speaker 1: he has equals. He has guys who can match that.

504
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Speaker 1: And when I saw Caro routinely go into his guard

505
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Speaker 1: routinely without getting into too much trouble, I thought, ah,

506
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Speaker 1: someone else is going to do that too.

507
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: Nick starting to be too willing to get in exchanges,

508
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Speaker 3: which became a recurring theme. There was a point in

509
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Speaker 3: the second round where they had transitions on the ground

510
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Speaker 3: that were so sublime. It's like I said, it's so

511
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 3: sloppy on the feet on the ground, it's so thrilling.

512
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Speaker 3: This was almost like a cinematic street fight, because there

513
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Speaker 3: were elements of that street fight griminess, yet at a

514
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 3: very elite level in terms of their ground game, where

515
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: it felt like it was like a movie fight scene.

516
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Speaker 3: At some point, and at the end of two rounds,

517
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Speaker 3: Luke I scored both for Nick. Now this would be a.

518
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Speaker 2: Fight in which he I don't think that's unfair.

519
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: He would go on to lose thirty to twenty seven

520
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: on all three score cards, and Carl had a very

521
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: big third round by just going after takedowns like a maniac.

522
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Speaker 3: But I thought Nick had a case to win this fight.

523
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: I had him winning both in the first two rounds,

524
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Speaker 3: although again it could go either way. Carl actually ended

525
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: round two he had lost the contact and he had

526
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Speaker 3: gone to the wrong corner, so he was a little

527
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: fed up because Nick put him on a high pace. Yep,

528
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: Nick was counted. It's like, as much as Karl was

529
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Speaker 3: able to counter everything Nick was doing on the ground,

530
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Speaker 3: and you're like, is Nick getting exposed here? Nick's toughness

531
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Speaker 3: was bringing everything that was inside the Carl or I.

532
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Speaker 1: Had to constantly clinch and smother because if there was

533
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Speaker 1: any distance between them, he was going to get clipped

534
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: with something. Maybe just a jab, but there was something

535
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Speaker 1: that was going to cause it.

536
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: P almost thought Nick was gonna win it late and

537
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 3: round threw with that go Go Plata attempt. It was tight.

538
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: It was pretty sick. Listen.

539
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Speaker 1: Also, you gotta give credit to Carlo. Carl was a

540
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Speaker 1: very good grappler. Do you go like that with Nick

541
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Speaker 1: Diaz work he was. There was various times where he

542
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: was trying to take Nick Diaz's back. Dude, that's you

543
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: know you're going for it there. You create offensive moments

544
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: that means you might have some defensive lapses.

545
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Speaker 3: Go back and watch Carl's first couple of UFC fights

546
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: and you'll just see ridiculous judo throws and tosses. But

547
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: this fight, along with the one that Karl had with

548
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Speaker 3: Diego Sanchez, I mean, he was in a brief period

549
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: in his prime was an action star. What Nick became

550
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: and maybe getting a little rub off of him and

551
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 3: they came together perfectly. But Carl in this is his prime.

552
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: In his prime, he was a sloppy but action star.

553
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Speaker 3: This fight is so fun to rewatch, not because technically

554
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 3: it'll be in your top ten greatest brawls or whatever,

555
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: just in terms of the raw energy of it is

556
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: really fun to rewatch.

557
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Speaker 2: Limit.

558
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Speaker 1: Let's also set the context here just a little bit.

559
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Speaker 1: In his last fight, all of the promotional heat was

560
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: behind Robbie Lawler. And what does Nick Daz do? He

561
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: gets the win right in incredible fashion. Next fight, he

562
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: goes to Carporegian. Not a great matchup necessarily for either

563
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: guy depending on your perspective, but a very tough one.

564
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Speaker 1: And what happens to Nick das he loses a decision

565
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Speaker 1: where you could arguably say he got it.

566
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Speaker 2: Why is this real?

567
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: Because what are two themes that constantly repeat in Nick

568
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Diez's career. One the promotion always favored others over him

569
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: when it made no sense. And two that he could

570
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Speaker 1: from the man. From the man, whether that's the promotion's

571
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: president or whether it's authorities involved, like the commission. He

572
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: could never get the man to take their foot off

573
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Speaker 1: of his neck. He didn't get the fair shake. In

574
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Speaker 1: his mind, he thought he had beaten.

575
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Speaker 3: Let me throw the middle of that. What we'll find

576
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Speaker 3: later in Knick's career, Luke, maybe when he started to

577
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: lose interest is there were fights afterwards were almost comedically.

578
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: He's been like, well I thought I won that fight,

579
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: and you're like, well, you didn't really do anything. This

580
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: was back when he was constantly doing things. But I

581
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: think he had a style and by the way, three

582
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: runs to zero for carp Parisian, which all three judges did.

583
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: That's generous, that's fair, I agree. Okay, Yet I'm wondering

584
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: how nuanced, especially back in two thousand and four when

585
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: most of these haven't made judges are really professional boxing

586
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: judges who are just sliding over in the Nevada Commission,

587
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: I wonder how much they realized the nuances of what

588
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: Diez is doing on his back. There's times where he's

589
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: willingly pulling guard, where he's almost allowing himself to be

590
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: taken down because he's so comfortable on his back, and

591
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 3: while he was busy offensively and always trying to get submissions.

592
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what the full nuance is there. We'll

593
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: see it in the Diego Sanchoz fight coming up, and

594
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: we also saw it in here. Carro's aggression alone, I

595
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: think just won over these judges to get it three nothing,

596
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: and I think that was something along with what you're saying,

597
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: never the man with the promotion, he's never the man

598
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Speaker 3: with the judges. Back then too, I think he may

599
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: have had a style that was a little too nuanced

600
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Speaker 3: for the moment with the judges, and yet still too

601
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: willing to get into brawls though, so it takes us.

602
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Speaker 1: We're going to skip a couple here, because not every

603
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: fight has enormous relevance. He did bea Drew Fickett, which

604
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: was a fun beat down. If you want to go

605
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: see a guy from I think it was mount even

606
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz talking shit to Drew Ficket audibly as he's

607
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: pounding on him.

608
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: It's kind of an embarrassing loss.

609
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: Cogi Oishi had stood like this in front of Nick

610
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: Diaz and Nick absolutely pummeled him.

611
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: But two knockout wins to bounce back from that first

612
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Speaker 3: defeat in the UFC.

613
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Speaker 1: Bad right, So in the UFC he's only got one loss,

614
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: just to Kara, which, by the way, he only lost

615
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: via split, but.

616
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: No unanimous three nothing all around. Oh yeah, they have

617
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: it split here online notees you're you're right, You're right,

618
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 3: My bad.

619
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Speaker 1: But the point being is is he lost doesn't matter.

620
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: So now we go to maybe one of the worst

621
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Speaker 1: stretches of his career, and I'm trying to set this

622
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: up all in kind of a block. I want to

623
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: discuss them in a block because I think they're all

624
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: pretty related. He loses to Diego Sanchez follows it up

625
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: with a loss to Joe Riggs follows it up with

626
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: a loss to Sean Shirk. Let's start with the Diego

627
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Sanchez one and dude, this is Nick Diaz frustratingly in

628
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: a bottle. He takes on Diego Sanchez, who at this

629
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: time had already won the Ultimate Fighter. Okay, he had

630
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: beaten Brian Gasaway and then Kenny Florian, so he had

631
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: two fights, well one real fight on pay per view,

632
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: but okay, so he goes in this undefeated. Folks forget due.

633
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: There was a while where Diego Sanchez was in his

634
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: teens in terms of yeah, in terms of the number

635
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: of fights he had, he was undefeated. They gave him

636
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Nick dz. Nick Diaz is like, this guy won a

637
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: reality show and he thinks he's on my level. This

638
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: is bullshit and I'm going to show you. So once again,

639
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: what's another theme. The man is liking someone else. They're

640
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: not liking me. They're not giving me a favorable matchup.

641
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: To add on to that, okay, to add on to

642
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: what we're starting to get in terms of the pro

643
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: wrestling promotion and carving out characters. There's a line from

644
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: Goldberg as Nick is in the prep point warming up,

645
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: he says Nick Diaz is an angry young man ready

646
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: to send a message. It's like they're basically making him

647
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: into like the school shooter character and this larger pro

648
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: wrestling facade promotion. Ye did he fit that so well?

649
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: This is his first main event against Diego. It's by

650
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: the way again the ages. When you see the tail

651
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: of tape DS twenty two, Sanchez twenty three, two guys

652
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: that would be around for a while, hard Rock Hotel. Luke,

653
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: I want to say something about this fight and it

654
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: plays into the rigs one that would follow. I don't

655
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: think of it like this, but it's true. This is

656
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: the glory fucking days of UFC, not of MMA, because

657
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: the people weren't the skills weren't as well rounded. But

658
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: these are the glory fucking days of UFC. Do you

659
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean by that, Luke, Here's what I

660
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: mean by that. This was back when you could show

661
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: anybody as long as you can sit down a sports

662
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: fan who wasn't a UFC fight fan, maybe a little

663
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 3: bit of a boxing fan, but you're like, bro home

664
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 3: over my house and just sit down and watch this,

665
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: and they would watch fights like this and they would

666
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: be fans, not for life, but like they were stuck.

667
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: They were fucked. And you know the reason why, you

668
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: know what the formula is the skill hadn't completely evolved

669
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: to where everybody's a well rounded mixed martial arts.

670
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: These were fights.

671
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: These were fights, and the preview package is all about,

672
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: like you said, d has questioned this guy's resume and

673
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: Sanchez basically saying, you know, I'm gonna come out there

674
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: and and f and walk through this guy and kill him.

675
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: It'll never be like this again because of how remedial

676
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 3: the skills, where they were growing and getting better. This

677
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 3: wasn't like UFC one where everybody had one skill, but

678
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: it was still raw enough where these inevitably these were fights.

679
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: You didn't see people just leaning on one skill. You

680
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: saw people going out there and they were kind of

681
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: like street fights at your job or at your school, Luke,

682
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: but with a little bit more skill. And I think

683
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: that's why today we get hooked on BKFC or Triller

684
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: or the Paul Brothers. It comes out and we're like,

685
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: I know I shouldn't like this, but you know what,

686
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm kind of into this. I think what we're looking for,

687
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: is that raw feeling where we really don't know who's

688
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: gonna win because we're not really sure how these skills

689
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: are gonna match up against each other. I saw that

690
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: when Sanchez comes out and DS comes out, and I'm

691
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: just sort of like, this was more fight than it

692
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: was skilled adaptions in disagree with that. I think it

693
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: was more of that raw feeling that we're still looking

694
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: like on some of these gas station food fights that

695
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: drop up were like, I just want to see a

696
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: dramatic fight. Okay, these were dramatic fights, Luke, and they

697
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: had to be because these guys were killers.

698
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I would say two things about that.

699
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: I agree with you that there is definitely a moment

700
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: in time here. By the way, we're talking about November fifth,

701
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, these two fought each other on

702
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: the finale for the second season of The Ultimate Fighter,

703
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: their finale, Ultimate Fighter two card, whatever it was at

704
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: that time. I will agree that because the MMA was

705
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: still so raw, you just had this.

706
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: Gutter battle. You could just see some of it was

707
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: just will because there are fighters with skill rather than

708
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: skilled artists.

709
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Right, fair enough, But here's the difference for me.

710
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: One if you didn't hear like Diego Sanchez just talk back.

711
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Then he sound to me a lot more lucid. But

712
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: more than that, he was a fucking operator.

713
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: Man.

714
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: The lesson from this fight was not that Nick Diaz

715
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: couldn't hang or something, dude. Diego Sanchez for three rounds

716
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: went right into Nick Diaz's guard and dared him to

717
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: do something about it multiple times over the course of

718
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: three rounds, attempting to take his back multiple times just

719
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: from opening guard open guards to be standing up and

720
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: fucking pounding on him.

721
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: Dude.

722
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: This is one of the most impressive performances of Diego's career.

723
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: It's insane in this fight, and you know that moment

724
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: where I got that chill feeling where I was like, man,

725
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: this was the glory days when they went nose to

726
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: nose during the instructions and Rogan screaming bad blood. In

727
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: the whole first round, all Rogan and Goldberg did was

728
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: talk about how much they hated each other. And that's

729
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. That more of that like fight

730
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: feel to find out who's got like the grudge to set.

731
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, don't you agree the Carro fight

732
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: was closer dude, the Diego fight was not close.

733
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Beat him, But can we give respect to what these

734
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: these fights were like the first two minutes I wrote

735
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: down pinball transitions. There's just because the speed of the

736
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: back and forth and the and the turning of momentum

737
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: is just insane. And then when the rare times they're

738
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: on their feet because Diego is constantly looking to take

739
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: the fight to the ground. The rare fights on their feet.

740
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: It's schoolyard fight. It's just like winging shots. It was

741
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: refreshing to go back to this old school. It was fun.

742
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: As by the way, we can close the loop here too. BC.

743
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: It's one of my fights. It's one of my favorite fights.

744
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: I I've talked about it endlessly. Go back and get

745
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: the other one who's missing here. Get Carl versus Diego,

746
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Carl versus Diego.

747
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: I mentioned it.

748
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the most incredible fights in UFC history,

749
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: for especially for our three round fights certainly.

750
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: But Diego closes the first round and at the end

751
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: he's got Nate on his bed, on his back, and

752
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: he's leaping in with a punch Luke and he misses

753
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: and hits the ground, which just shows us sloppy. Is

754
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: Goldberg legitimately scared that he's gonna break his hands doing that? Yeah,

755
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: I mean it's just so odd.

756
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: It happened twice in the fight once probably once night the.

757
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: Final minute of the second round, including the final thirty seconds.

758
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: I think that's the highlight reel moment of this. That

759
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: was just crazy back and forth, both guys getting hurt,

760
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: constantly grounded back up on their feet. But diego'sity. I

761
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: think Nick had a hard time answering for it. He

762
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: never let his foot off the gas. And what I

763
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: got from that was, Dude, Nick is.

764
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: A slick operator too, Like, obviously on the feet, the

765
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: guy knocked out Robbi Lawler, obviously on the ground. His

766
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: guard game is phenomenal, by the way, I think he

767
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: was still a brown belt at this time. But at

768
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: the same time, it also told me there's a new

769
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: wave of guys coming out that might be able to

770
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: give if Diego Sanchez, as talented as he is, can

771
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: do that to Nick Diez's guard again, Carro did it.

772
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: I think Diego did it even more. That's going to

773
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: be a problem he's going to have to address. It

774
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: was something he actually I think it played him throughout

775
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: the course of his career.

776
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: So even though Nick would lose this by unanimous decision, look,

777
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: he rallied in round three. He cut Diego. Diego's bleeding

778
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: all over on top of him in top position. And

779
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: how about that arm bar attempt by Diego that Nick

780
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: had to get out of this sad Joe's going nuts.

781
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: I think this is a top ten fight in UFC history.

782
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: I think, much better than the Carl fight. I think

783
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: just in terms of the rabid craziness of it. This

784
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: is something to every word that this is old school Rogan.

785
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: Every word that he says is not like Rogan on

786
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: psychedelics or weed, you know, who's just sort of like

787
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: trying to be hip or cool. This is old school

788
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: Rogan on uppers, who's screaming. Every everything he says is

789
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: screaming because he's just loving this shit. I missed that.

790
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: I missed this old raw feeling. Okay, but again, let's

791
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: look at the let's look at this sho do it.

792
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: I can't do it.

793
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: This hot new guy, Diego Sanchiez, fresh off The Ultimate

794
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: Fighter Win, gets pair with Nick Das. You could begin

795
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: to see how Nick is forming ideas about who is

796
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: looking out for him what good matchmaking looks like, whether

797
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: the authority is by the commissioner, whoever has really got

798
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: his interest in mind. You can see how each time

799
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: it goes a little bit in one direction. So it

800
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: takes us to his next fight, and part of.

801
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: The three fight well he did. By the way, how

802
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: about the no cell. In the interview from Nick, he

803
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: was like, I still don't think Diego is any good

804
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: and hasn't followed newbody, Like I just love that defiance.

805
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: Although yeah, again it's each one of these like this

806
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: is where Nick, as you understand him, comes from.

807
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: It's these moments.

808
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: So we go down to UFC to excuse me, UFC

809
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: fifty seven, which would be in February of two thousand

810
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: and six, he fights Joe Riggs. No Joe Riggs, of

811
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: course at the time had cut as the commentator. Joe

812
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Rogan had noted over thirty pounds for a walterweight fight.

813
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: He had come in in one seventy or one seventy one.

814
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: He put thirty three pounds, that was two hundred.

815
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: And two pounds.

816
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: The next day, Billy Rush was one of these guys

817
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: and they were defending it. At the time, they were

818
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: questioning about how smart it was, but they were kind

819
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: of be like, hey, it's a wrestler's mentality. It was

820
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: still the mentality at the time. Okay, this was a

821
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: closer fight, a lot of it taking place on the feet.

822
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: We see, here's my read on this. Let me know

823
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: what you got by Reid was on the feet. Nick

824
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: was giving this guy problems. Although Joe Riggs I thought

825
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: was a bit of a hammer himself. He was giving

826
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: him back and forth. But again, you had a guy

827
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: in Joe Riggs who is not the grappler like carro Is,

828
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: is not the grappler that Diego is. Although we are

829
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: here at up a weight class, we're now at one

830
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds in a return to walterweight. He

831
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: just couldn't hang with the punching power, and he couldn't

832
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: hang on the ground either.

833
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: In terms of just overcoming.

834
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: The top stability of a guy like Joe Riggs.

835
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: This is the weird ebbs and flows of early Nick

836
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: des First much as look, his striking performance was night

837
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: and day from the Jackson fight to the Robby Lawler fight.

838
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: I thought Nick then took steps back against both Caro

839
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: and Diego. Maybe because they it was such a batshit

840
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: crazy fight that you just lose technique and you're just surviving.

841
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: Right this fight. I thought he had big moments, but

842
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: it's just highs and lows in this regard. And maybe

843
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: some of that is because Riggs is so big. I mean, look,

844
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: they said he had fought at heavyweight, you know, not

845
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: too long before this. This is like the reverse. It's

846
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: like a trailer park rumble Johnson, like the reverse going

847
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: from like this, Well, it's your way all the way up.

848
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: I also forgot how cool Joe Riggs used to be

849
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: back then. Dude, he was you know, his tattoos were lame.

850
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: But if you've never seen it, go find Joe Riggs

851
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: versus Kendall Grove. It is one of the most savage

852
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: ground and pound knockouts you'll ever see.

853
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: He's a legitimate badass, and you forget that because you

854
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: remember him after market when he's a little bit of

855
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: an aggressive clown or whatever.

856
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: And Matthews had just submitted him at.

857
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 3: That he is probably and he's working out with those

858
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: guys by the way and working out with Lawler and stuff.

859
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: So they accepted him in the tribe. And you can

860
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: see that it worked obviously his ability to rehydrate luke.

861
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: It shortens careers when you can dramatically rehydrate so much

862
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: like that. But in that moment before it does, he

863
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: was a tough out and I think he came on

864
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: stronger late against Nick in this one, landing bigger combinations.

865
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: Both each other had each other hurt. This was a

866
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: war once again, Ate or Nick is overcoming being cut,

867
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: so you're seeing that scar tissue added up, but he

868
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: just didn't have enough to separate himself from Joe Ray.

869
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: That's right. Fight.

870
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: It's just Joe was a little bit of step ahead,

871
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: I think in terms of the size and the power.

872
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: And then on the ground he wasn't. Again he's off

873
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: the grappler that Nick days is, but he didn't need

874
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: to be. Also, this is the time where you can

875
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: also see being on top mattered a lot more than

876
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: being on top matters now, even though even still today

877
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: it's pretty important, but it was really important because there's

878
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times where like Nick is doing more underneath,

879
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: but it doesn't count in this era.

880
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if Nick had some volatility outside the cage

881
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: during the stretch. It wasn't training up to the highest

882
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 3: level because he looked like a zombie over the final

883
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: two rounds of this fight. I thought Nick did the

884
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: best work in the first round, even though I ended

885
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: up edging it to Joe Riggs. But I think in

886
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: this excuse me, the second and third round, Nick Way

887
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: two willing to get in a brawl, which lets me

888
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: think he's exhausted and he's hurt and he's just basically

889
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: fighting on will an instinct, which is fine, but he's

890
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: not making improvements as a fighter. And my biggest takeaway,

891
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: besides him being too love with fighting and too in

892
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: love with taking damage, is like as sick as his

893
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: conditioning can be overall, and we give him that credit

894
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: you saw on this one, it needs to be even better.

895
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: It needs like I don't think he's doing the triathlons

896
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: at this point, and then all that kind of training.

897
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 3: He would grow into that, but this was a It's

898
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: like his defense is not there yet. And it's funny.

899
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: He evolved to a point where he could he could

900
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: compete against GSP or Carlos Kndent and not get handled.

901
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: You know, he would lose, but he wouldn't get handled

902
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 3: or dominated. There's no defense in these early Nick Daz

903
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: fights and maybe that's why the cult legend was able

904
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: to be built. But he is just taking part of

905
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: taking part of his defense is taking damage and walking

906
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: through like a zombie. And that's not going to cut it.

907
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: And that's why somebody like Joe Riggs at this point

908
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: was able to best him. Joe Riggs calling out Charles

909
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: Barkley afterwards after the fight he was there and say,

910
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: you know, saying, oh Berkley from the Suns, do you

911
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: didn't for the Pen played for the Suns for like

912
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: eleven years before that. That was a little bit weird.

913
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 2: So let's go to the last of these three fight

914
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: losing streak.

915
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: We go to UFC fifty nine, just April, so we

916
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: were in February of twent two thousand and six, now

917
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: we're in April two thousand and six. He takes on

918
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Sean Shirk BC. It's again another situation where you can

919
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: tell that Nick Diaz he was hitting switches. He was

920
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: trying to wrestle with Sean Shirk during this. I don't

921
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: have a whole lot to say except three fights in

922
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: a row where it wasn't the exact same problem. But

923
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: what I can say is many of the same problems

924
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: revealed themselves, where he was just not ready for that

925
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: level of competition given what they were offering at that time.

926
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, this was the era of the

927
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: wrestle boxer coming out of college a little bit.

928
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: And this was weird because do you see the cockiness

929
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: that came out of him in the lawlor fight, even

930
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: though he was also taking damage. But when he is

931
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: the bully, he is a different level of demeanor and

932
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: confidence when the other guy's rallying back and putting him

933
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: on his heels, it's not so much. I think he

934
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: sort of hit a wall here. And that's three straight defeats,

935
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: all three by decision losses, all fights in which he had,

936
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 3: I guess an argument to be competitive but really hadn't

937
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: done enough. It's sort of all added up where he

938
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: was going to need some kind of change after this

939
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: because it was the same formula all over again.

940
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: So he does take a break from UFC. He goes

941
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: fights Ray Steinbiss, who was sort of a good fighter

942
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: for that era. He beats some instocks in California at

943
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: a smaller show. They invite him back to the UFC

944
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: in August of that year, and that actually is a

945
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: good moment for him. He defeats Josh Neir, who was

946
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: the original dentist. By the way, Josh Neir was still

947
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: a good fighter, but this was to me a dominant

948
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: version of Nick Diaz. Not a hugely important fight, but

949
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: one that sort of matters in the run there. The

950
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: Gleason Teabaugh fight follow us BC one of your favorite

951
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: Let me just say, visit that UFC sixty five. Now

952
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: we're in November of two thousand and six. Dude, can

953
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: you believe in two thousand and six Nick fought one, two, three, four,

954
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: five times five times. If you were an MMA fan

955
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, congratulations, you got a lot

956
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: of money.

957
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: Say what I learned from the Tea Ba fight. Whatever

958
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: Nick didn't have in that three fight losing streak where

959
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: he too in love with getting hit. He's starting to

960
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: get a little bit more technical and it's increasing his confidence.

961
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: This was Gleason Teabaugh's debut in the UFC. He had

962
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: a mohawk more or less, and he was a hammer

963
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: trying to get you down work from top position. Nick

964
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: was so calm on this. This fight for you round

965
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: and a half with some crazy action with real good

966
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: technical stuff mixed in. Not only did Jeff Wagenheim look

967
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: like a prime Phillip Seymour Hoffman on press row, but

968
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: also how about this a Goldie Randy Cotuur with no

969
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan announced combo. This was surprisingly really good, no

970
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: surprise because I think Randy's great. But Randy made Goldberg

971
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: who I think Rogan mc clown Goldberg a lot, so

972
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: Goldberg had a complex toward him. Goldberg was almost more

973
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: confident to call the action here, and it just it

974
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: was a weird flow if you can revisit it. It

975
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: was fun. But you get another win for nick in

976
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: which Ko in this one and he got top position.

977
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: He just put him away.

978
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: Yep.

979
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: So this is the growing confidence on sort of the

980
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: nick ds two point zero at a time when you

981
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: needed it.

982
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: But also if you look at the I think these cards,

983
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: the Josh Near fight from UFC to sixty two, that

984
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: was the main card, so we got a good place

985
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: been there. But then at UFC sixty five, which again

986
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about the fifth fight in a year, he

987
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: was on the prelim card, which I don't think he appreciated.

988
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: And also I think the UFC knew they were going

989
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: to move on from him.

990
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: So do you.

991
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: Think when he had that three fight losing skin, UFC

992
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: looked at him as an action fighter, but not someone serious,

993
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: not somebody's gonna win a title, not anything beyond.

994
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: It to be candidate. This is the part that I

995
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: can't quite figure out. I don't know how they looked

996
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: at him at that time. He got Submission of the

997
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: Night when he beat Josh Near. They knew he was good.

998
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: I do think they liked him, but I think they

999
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: thought he was never gonna be big enough, and like,

1000
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: was he worth the hassle? And not that he was

1001
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: some huge pr guy at the time, but you know,

1002
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: sort of an.

1003
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: Interesting guy to have and he can be outworked by

1004
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: the guys. They loved those high motor brawler rustlers, right.

1005
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: And also Nick Dias at the time was like, why

1006
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: would you match me up with a guy like Sean Shirk.

1007
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: This is not good for the fans, and he's just

1008
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna hold me down. This is not really fighting or winning.

1009
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of debate about that at that time.

1010
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: So eventually he.

1011
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Just parts ways with the UFC in a full and

1012
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: complete way. And it's so important to see that it's

1013
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: maybe the most important fight of his career.

1014
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: You could arguably make a case if I look back

1015
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: on a few fights.

1016
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: The Lawlor fight set into emotional But when I think

1017
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: about what made Nick a real cult figure, he was

1018
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: already a cult figure of attraction, but this is the

1019
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: one that sent it into overdrive. You cannot overstate how

1020
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: important it is. Pride thirty three in February of two

1021
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, Pride was trying to make an entry

1022
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: into the American market, and one of the ways they

1023
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: were trying to do it was the course of matching

1024
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: up their stars. With Nick Diaz, they made a one

1025
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one I think pound fighter or one

1026
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: hundred and six to whatever it was, So it wasn't

1027
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: quite welterway, but it wasn't quite lightweight. With Takenri Goomi,

1028
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: who was a fucking.

1029
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: Beast twenty seven to three high level wins coming in.

1030
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: Had hands, he could wrestle his ass off, and had hands.

1031
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: He was fucking people up in Japan. How about Adelaide

1032
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: Bird Even back then, sit in cage site here by

1033
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: the way Thomasinaxenter in Vegas. The crowd was insane. Luke yes,

1034
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: it was a very good crowd. Why is this fight

1035
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: so important? We'll talk about the details of just a second,

1036
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: but this is a moment where a you talk about

1037
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: an action fighter on another level, you talk about a

1038
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: guy who kind of had to rally a little bit.

1039
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: He got dropped tech Norigomi was landing huge shots on him.

1040
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: But what you saw was a.

1041
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: Guy who could put pace on another guy, a guy

1042
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: who could box another guy, and then to win with

1043
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: the most maybe at that time, the most esoteric subs.

1044
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: In fact, it was so fucked up. This is true.

1045
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: I wrote a letter to the paper at the time.

1046
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: It was so unusual to see a.

1047
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Go go plata that the Las Vegas Review Drill at

1048
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 1: the time called it a triangle choke, and I wrote

1049
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: to them to correct it, to get the new plata

1050
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: well whoever it was.

1051
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: But the point being is.

1052
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: Dude, nobody knew, nobody knew what the fuck that was,

1053
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: especially if you're watching in the attendance. This was also new.

1054
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz to me, wasn't just an action fight. Who

1055
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: could a fun fighter, who could do you know, cool things?

1056
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: We talked about Anderson Silva magic, dude, that was Nick Diaz,

1057
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: magic on another.

1058
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: Line, we have not seen this, and I think you

1059
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: have to go to YouTube's five fast. This is a

1060
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 3: I wrote down gangster victory from Nick DS because he

1061
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: dragged at the end of that first round. Go me

1062
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 3: into such a high pace, exhausting war. Now, Diez's defense

1063
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: was not great. He had rock, didn't drop Gomy early

1064
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: and he got a lot of confidence. Go Me, being

1065
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: the badass that he was, made it a sloppy and

1066
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: awesome brawl. Luke. I wrote down the final minute is

1067
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: fucking insane because the final minute of that first round

1068
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 3: is crazy, but it go me out to ridiculous levels. Luke.

1069
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: He was wandering around in circles at points in round two,

1070
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: just a mess, trying to hang on so yet still

1071
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: landing every time Diaz got close. This was ridiculously raw.

1072
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 3: Nick's cut on two spots over both eyes. You're wondering

1073
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: if there's a chance that the ref might try to

1074
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: stop it, because they looked at it really quick. And

1075
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: for him to pull out that gangster submission with blood

1076
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: flowing down his face, it's why he's such a badass,

1077
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: because this wasn't his best fight in terms of like

1078
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: he got lit up in big moments, but he outdrilled first,

1079
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: he outwheeled, outlasted an absolute warrior. And again he made

1080
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: that guy's stamina look comical because of how high of

1081
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 3: a pace he.

1082
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: Pushed and the crowd you could see Jake Laser in

1083
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: the audience there by the way, the crowd was going bananas.

1084
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: At the end of the first they come out for

1085
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: the second. Why did they end up in a go

1086
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: go plot?

1087
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: Dude?

1088
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: Because Diaz put fucking hand on him to the point

1089
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: where he shot. Nick accepted the shot, and rather than

1090
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: trying to wrestle with him, I'm not going to wrestle

1091
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: with you. He locked up the fucking go go plot

1092
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and watch him set it up. He was going for

1093
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: it right as he was going to his back. He

1094
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: didn't wait for it. He was thrown together in transition.

1095
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: Takenori Goomi, who I think I was. I think he

1096
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: was the Pride Light with Champion at the time. Either way, dude,

1097
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: for Nick to do this to him at this stage

1098
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: in their respective careers, where Nick had kind of been

1099
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: a little bit forgotten the strong word. I think the

1100
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: fans really loved him but was needing like a big

1101
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: promotional boost.

1102
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 3: This one sent it to a new level. And when

1103
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 3: you have the doctor in early in round two checking

1104
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: the cut. That's why it's a gangster win, because Nick's

1105
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: got to be thinking again, they're gonna screw me again.

1106
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: They're not going to give me what I want. He

1107
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: doesn't worry about the decision here, Luke. He went out

1108
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: there and got the damn finish.

1109
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: He absolutely got the damn finish, and he had to

1110
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: get stitches in a million places. His eye was super

1111
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: fucked up, by the way, some of those cuts. If

1112
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: you see him in person today, obviously he has been

1113
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: stitched up. You can see a lot of the scars

1114
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: from that fight. They're not hard to miss. But this fight,

1115
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: to me, Lawler Gomy, as we go through this, I'm

1116
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: going to say those two easily, far and away two

1117
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: of the most important fights he's had. All Right, So

1118
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: this point now elite XC is on the scene. He

1119
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: makes a debut, a very unimpressive showing, but he beats

1120
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: Mike Aina, a guy out of Hawaii that you know

1121
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: we respected at the time, but wasn't that great. And

1122
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: then he takes on kJ Noon's BC and the fight

1123
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: goes one round before they ultimately call a doctor stoppage.

1124
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: What happened? Elite XC in augur a lightweight title. It's

1125
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: at the elite XC Renegade cart in Corpus Crispy Corpus Christie.

1126
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: It's the main event on showtime. By the way, to

1127
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: Kimbo and Bocantrell. Oh okay, that they were the colemane

1128
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: was Kimball and that one. That's an interesting night. They're

1129
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: both twenty four years old. But since this was at lightweight,

1130
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: which is the more natural weight for kJ Nowons, this

1131
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: is prime kJ Nowons Luke, and what prime kJ Newons

1132
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: can do is box and he can particularly counter to

1133
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: the body with body shots, and that was slowing Nick down.

1134
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: It was giving him trouble. Nick would be getting takedowns,

1135
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: but they even stopped it once again for the doctors

1136
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: to check his cut. So it's sort of the same

1137
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: repeating scene. I just think kJ Nuns is huge. Counter

1138
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: shots were a problem for him. So we're seeing again

1139
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: where it's like that Nick with the confidence from the

1140
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 3: Lawlor fight. In terms of the striking, we never really

1141
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: saw that stay consistent. He had highs and lows. This

1142
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 3: was a low against a more dominant striker, and also

1143
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 3: it got it to the ground, but he wasn't able

1144
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: to take advantage of.

1145
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: You might be like, well, what happened with the Gomie

1146
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: fight where he couldn't reproduce it with the kJ Noons

1147
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: fight in short order, Gomey was like a tired and

1148
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: b would just kind of stand his ground and bang

1149
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: with him. kJ Noon's stuck and then was gone, stuck

1150
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: and then was gone. He didn't play that game at all.

1151
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 3: So next cut on his nose, he's cut on his eye.

1152
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: After round one, they go to the corner. You think

1153
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: everything's fine. Bill Goldberg is the announcer there. They're showing

1154
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: a replay and then you hear Goldberg say, oh, the

1155
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: fight's over. The doctor stopped it on a cut. To

1156
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 3: further along that theme of Nick feeling anti establishment, Luke

1157
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: he hated that so much that he walks, storms out

1158
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: of the cage, walks up the ramp, turns around, gives

1159
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: the double middle finger, which is awesome, one of those

1160
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: seminal Nick Diaz stocked in moments.

1161
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: It absolutely is again just feeling like the authorities. In

1162
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: this case, the doctors gave him a totally raw deal.

1163
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: But what this turning point would do, It would kick

1164
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: off an eleven fight win streak. We're going to get

1165
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: into this some of these fights, but this was the glory,

1166
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: golden period of Nick's career from two thousand and eight

1167
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: to twenty eleven. He is incredible over these next three years.

1168
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: So he beats Kessey in a way in dream it's

1169
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: an important fighter.

1170
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: Will move along.

1171
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Mussen Corbrie a good boxer. Peter train at lawyer of

1172
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: and I knew him.

1173
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: He beats him in a leedexc fight.

1174
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: The it takes on Thomas Wildman Danny who's a journeyman

1175
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: and Nick beat But okay, that takes us to it

1176
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: one of the most important fights certainly in that promotions history.

1177
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: But also this is where Nick Diaz is starting to

1178
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: get a little bit more acclaim. He takes on Frank Shamrock.

1179
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: In fact, the event was called Strike Force Shamrock Versus

1180
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: Diaz April of two thousand and nine.

1181
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: Why is the significant BC.

1182
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: Well, remember the original first Strikeforce event had Nick Diaz's coach,

1183
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Caesar Gracie fighting Frank Shamberck. We're talking about battles for

1184
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: Northern some bad blood dude, that's likely at this stage.

1185
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: Of mixed martial arts.

1186
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: Who is the man in Northern California is a very

1187
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: important question which camp is the best. And in the

1188
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: presser leading up to this fight, Nick Diaz walked right

1189
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: up to him and that's how I greet Brian every time,

1190
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: gave him one of these rights.

1191
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: The trash talk. This fight crossed over. This fight crossed

1192
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: over because Shamrock was the face of Strikeforce. This end

1193
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: up being his last career fight at age thirty six,

1194
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: but he's the face of Strikeforce. He just had that

1195
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: incredible fight with Kung Lee that was had so many

1196
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: momentum twists and how the injury was fantastic. And now

1197
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: you've got this young, trash talking Nick Daz who you're

1198
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 3: wondering a Strikeforce making this guy the face of the promotion.

1199
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: He had come up empty in the LEADEX to their

1200
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 3: Sister Brother promotion at that time for the title against

1201
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: kJ Neons, but they put him in a big spot

1202
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: here at age twenty five against Shamrock, and what I

1203
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: saw was a massive leap forward in defense and in

1204
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 3: technical know how on the feet. This was the beginning

1205
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: of the prime Nick Diaz striker who could come at

1206
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: you with constant pressure but would be less about wasting

1207
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: energy on big Motor. It would be a little short

1208
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: strikes and just that constant coming on you. And he's

1209
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: technically the smaller fighter here, meaning this was what a

1210
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: catchweight fighter nine. Yet he had the height advantage, he

1211
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: had the reach advantage, he had the swagger advantage, and

1212
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: he was just more technical and it became him the

1213
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 3: bigger fighter even though he's the smaller fighter. It became

1214
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: the fact that Shamrock couldn't get inside, and when Shamrock

1215
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: did get inside, he got pieced up for his portions.

1216
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: Mick was Nick absolutely controlled almost every second of this fight.

1217
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: Frank fought his heart out, but it was just too

1218
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: much for him and he couldn't take it. And what's

1219
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: interesting is b S For me, this fight is two things,

1220
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: as you indicated. One, the Nick des we sort of

1221
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: know today as like this sort of polished product starts

1222
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: in the Strike Force era. That's when he really begin

1223
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: to put things together. Number one and number two. Now

1224
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: he is headlining big time cards in a way where

1225
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: you can you can say the promoter is understanding the

1226
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: value that Diz brings. Why don't we cater to that?

1227
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I will say this, I feel like Scott Coker, and yes,

1228
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: we work you know on this on the Vikom side

1229
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: of things, but I just think the evidence is pretty incontestable.

1230
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 2: Scott Coker, I feel like use the DZ.

1231
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: Brand more maximally than he has been leveraged by UFC,

1232
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: even if I recognize the fights with the UFC have

1233
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: been much bigger.

1234
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: So what's cool is in the first round Nick is

1235
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: controlling on the feet, He's trash dogging, but not the obnoxious,

1236
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: not the kind of trash dogg eating against Lawla right.

1237
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: But then the second round, I think he sensed that

1238
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: Shamrock was slowing down, so he steps up the swagger

1239
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 3: and calling him on the crowd, which is a San

1240
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: Jose crowd for Shamrock, who came out in this San

1241
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: Jose Sharks Jersey starts cheering for Nick. He got boot, he.

1242
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Got boot when he was intro. They were cheering his

1243
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: name by the time the fight was.

1244
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: And then what he was saying once Nick started to

1245
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: consistently target the body against Shamrock. Look back all those fights,

1246
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 3: the Sanchez brawl, the Caro brawl, You're not seeing Nick

1247
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: Diaz throw body punches. This was a new wrinkle to

1248
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: his game, and it's striking. He's like a coiled cobra

1249
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: slowly getting in on you and then just pecking away.

1250
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely unstoppable from here. Look at that.

1251
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: And he would go on to batter Shamrock and route

1252
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: to stopping him along the cage where you're just like

1253
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: some type of power like a changeover and power balance.

1254
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 3: Happened that night, and I mentioned it crossing over people

1255
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: really care. This is like one of the first non

1256
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: UFC bouts post Pride that I think a lot of

1257
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: people really started to carry.

1258
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely know that about it.

1259
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: Frank Shamrock was still a big name, although you're right

1260
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: that's one of the end of his run. But Nick

1261
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Diaz was this obviously rising and hugely important and that

1262
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: they were looking to put some big shows together with.

1263
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: So we move on from the Frank Shamrock fight. As

1264
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: important as it was, do.

1265
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 3: You want to say, hold on, Nick?

1266
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: Was?

1267
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: You gotta give Nick this credit for as much as

1268
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 3: there was trash talk before the fight, that's a little

1269
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: meat and raises his arm and gives the respect to

1270
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: Shamrock and afterwards like, hard to hate that guy. He's

1271
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: been doing what I want to do and saying what

1272
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: I want to do for a long time. That's real respect,

1273
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: real shit right there. I appreciated that. Also, Moro called

1274
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: the shit out of that fight. Even though Gus Johnson

1275
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: was played by play Morow was the third guy. And

1276
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 3: when he screamed, that's why I love Nick's martial arts.

1277
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: After he did that, that was a good moment.

1278
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: All right, it's fair, all right. So then he moves

1279
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: on beating Scott's Bith which was a good fight. He

1280
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: wins that one. He beats White Mayor Marius Zaromskis at

1281
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: strike Force Miami, which was a crazy show. Does that

1282
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: in the first round of course, the inaugural strike Force

1283
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Walterweight Championship. He then had fights Hayato Soakarai in Dream

1284
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: which was kind of important, but it takes this now.

1285
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna skip over that Dream fourteen fight from Japan.

1286
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: Here's a thing he goes to. He goes to Japan

1287
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: and he fights Yata Sosakarai. You don't know Soccarai was

1288
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: he gave Matthew was a hard fight. He was a

1289
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: Japanese legend for that era, and Nick Diaz just absolutely

1290
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: beat him from pillar to.

1291
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: Soccer was kind off FFing him up early on the

1292
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: feet though.

1293
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: Okay, but there was a guy in Nick Diaz, who

1294
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: if you just sort of watched it on mute, which

1295
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: is how I like to watch it, you can just

1296
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: see if slowly overtake the other guy, which is what

1297
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: ultimately happened at.

1298
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Nick winning three fifty four round one.

1299
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: And I like that Nick bowed down and hugged him

1300
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: after the fight. All right, he gave the respect.

1301
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing about Nick.

1302
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: We're started talking about this, giving respect to Frank Shamrock,

1303
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: giving respect to Hayato soakarai. Why dude, Because Nick understood

1304
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: very keenly who the legends were of the game, who

1305
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: respected them and why? And I always feel like he

1306
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: gave Oji's the like.

1307
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 3: Bj he loves BJA, the newbies.

1308
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: He never gave any creditude the OG's Nick that train

1309
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: was never late.

1310
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: He always gave credit.

1311
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: So, Luke, we are on a seven fight win streak,

1312
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: seven of this eleven and who comes knocking, but the

1313
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: rematch with.

1314
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: Your boy let me just set it up though, look

1315
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: at the next three fights on his resume. This is

1316
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: why I'm talking about what this is what Diaz was

1317
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: looking for the events Strikeforce Diaz versus Noons. Two, Strikeforce

1318
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Diz versus Cyborg. Next one, Strikeforce Diaz versus Daily. He

1319
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be featured, and Scott Coker.

1320
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 2: Was also happy.

1321
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: Kim Bobble became the face of Strikeforce, but Nick was

1322
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: the real quote unquote, real fighting face of it. He

1323
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: was the legitimate cover boy for this.

1324
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: That's right, all right.

1325
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: So it takes us to the rematch with kJ Newns.

1326
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: Remember first one, he is super fucking bitter about he

1327
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: finally gets his shot on a three years later, Yeah

1328
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: to twenty ten, and he wins a five round championship

1329
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: defending his Strike Force.

1330
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: By the way, Noons had won four straight, so this

1331
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: was pretty big when they met again. But the difference

1332
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 3: I think is this was one weight up. It's for

1333
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 3: the strike first welterweight title. They had fought at one

1334
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: sixty beforehand. Noon's more of a natural one to fifty

1335
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: five or so that size difference. First of all, Nick

1336
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: was a much more advanced fighter, and that's why I

1337
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: think that lost to Noons was one of the major

1338
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: turning points that set up this winning streak. But you

1339
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: saw a bigger fighter who was just walking him down.

1340
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: Landing bigger shots, and I just didn't see that same

1341
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: energy in Noons. He acted he had more bde in

1342
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: the first fight, and he's landing body shots, He's landing

1343
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: big shots. I think he was starting to be like,

1344
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: oh shit, this this Nick Nicks way better, Cee, if

1345
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: you agree.

1346
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: In the first fight, he would land on Nick, and

1347
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: every one that landed, he'd get more and more.

1348
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: He was the counterpuncher in the first fight, Nicks the

1349
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 3: counterpuncher in this.

1350
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: Right and in this fight he might land a little bit,

1351
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: but it never felt like it was adding up.

1352
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: The first fight felt like it was really.

1353
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Starting to put together something that the second fight never

1354
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: ever felt that way.

1355
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: He even got he even broke Nuones to the level

1356
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: where Noon was talking shit to him and mores like,

1357
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: I wish we had this micd up, He screams into

1358
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: the microphone. It would have been good to see. You

1359
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 3: do see a lot of back and forth, but again

1360
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: it's not the cockiness of Nick that we saw in

1361
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: the lawlor fight, but he's realizing how good he's getting.

1362
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: This became his what eighth win in a row. There

1363
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: was some good ebbs and flows through it, but it

1364
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 3: was systematic with jabs and leg kicks, and it was

1365
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 3: just a more dynamic Nick who wins forty eight, forty seven,

1366
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: forty ninety seven and forty nine forty six, and we

1367
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: saw full on metal militia afterwards, t shirt hats, the

1368
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: full line would you wear that shit today? For nostalgic rerease.

1369
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: We're also understanding he just did five rounds back when

1370
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: five rounds was a sort of a relatively new thing

1371
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: and did it with ease, no problem, showing already the

1372
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: gas tank for the stage of his career.

1373
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: He was absolutely ready for now.

1374
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: It takes us to a fight that's not super important

1375
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: by itself. January twenty nine of twenty eleven Diz versus Cyborg.

1376
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: He takes on Evangelista Cyborg. This was the original husband

1377
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: of Chris Justina or Chris Cyborg. In fact, it's where

1378
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: she sort of got her name, but he was the

1379
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: original Cyborg before she became that.

1380
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: This was I remember the time of the booking.

1381
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: It was not well received by the MMA media because

1382
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: it was felt like, you know, there was really no

1383
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: way sort of like an aggressive, potent striker in Cyborg.

1384
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: He was coming off the anhef fight, not too long

1385
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: from that point. You know, over in cage rage, he

1386
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: was well regarded as a brawler. But you thought, unless

1387
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 1: he just lands a huge shot on Nick, Nick's gonna

1388
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: piece this guy up or beat him however he wants,

1389
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: which is exactly what happened.

1390
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was with ease and that's his

1391
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: uh And once again, as you said, headlining makes the

1392
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: title defense and it sets up I mean, is this

1393
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 3: your favorite Nick daz fight of all time?

1394
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: So you're asking about the three big ones, right maybees

1395
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: strike go me? Oh it Lawler, first one, Gomy and

1396
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: now Paul Daily.

1397
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: That's the one.

1398
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: Those are the three, which is the last of the

1399
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: Strikeforce fights. By the way, Nick dias undefeated in Strikeforce.

1400
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 1: He beats Paul Daily. Everyone knows about this fight. April ninth,

1401
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: twenty eleven BC. Strikeforce had been acquired by UFC. This

1402
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: was this was the last real big event or it

1403
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: was the first one, right, the first one was this

1404
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: the first thing.

1405
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: That was because Nick, because Dana White showed up.

1406
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: You think it's the greatest fight in Strikeforce history. It's

1407
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: the greatest one round fight in MMA. It's the best.

1408
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 3: I think it's the best round in them my history.

1409
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: It might be the greatest one round fight. I do

1410
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: love Rock called Jockaray in terms of my favorite Strikeforce fight,

1411
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: But how can you freaking go wrong with the action?

1412
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: What's what's key about this? This was the tenth in

1413
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: that run of eleven straight wins for Nick. So it's

1414
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: a new Nick. Nick who's showing defense, and Nick who's

1415
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: showing patience, and Nick who has rounded out his striking

1416
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: game where he can have f you on the ground

1417
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: if he has to. But he's not looking to take

1418
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: you down anymore. He's looking to walk you down with

1419
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: that pressure like we talked about, but he's mixing in

1420
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: new wrinkles yet because you're fighting Semtex and he's got

1421
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: that left hook from hell. This almost was a callback

1422
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: to the batshit craziness of the Diego Sanchez fight, of

1423
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: the of the Carl Parisian fight, because this was a

1424
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: freaking war with the most dramatic turns that we have

1425
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: ever seen. Imagine. I almost wanted to say it with

1426
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: you and watch the highlights.

1427
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: This is the chaos of the Carl fight, just on

1428
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: the feet, just.

1429
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: On the feet and with more skill, but the same

1430
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: level of chin, the same level of toughness. He was

1431
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: a cult figure and we talked about.

1432
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: The face off head to head like that was common

1433
00:58:59,560 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: in his fight.

1434
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: So for everything we talk about with him as a

1435
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: cult figure, what did this moment due to that cult

1436
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: figure status?

1437
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about cementing yourself in

1438
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: the pantheon of mm A greatness, that is where you

1439
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: belong with with ability to He gets hurt and he.

1440
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: Gets he came back from the depths of hell to

1441
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: win this.

1442
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Yes, mean he gets hurt multiple times, so to get

1443
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: to his feet and find himself multiple times. Dude, Paul Daily,

1444
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: whatever else you want to say to him, that fucker

1445
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: can crack, and boy he did on Nick Diaz, Oh

1446
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: soccer cah over and over and over again. Remember, elbow

1447
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: is not allowed, so it was kind of this punch

1448
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: heavy style of the time. For not elvives were allowed

1449
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: in MMA but not in strike and nixed fights.

1450
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: Weren't this frantic anymore? They weren't this rabbit. Paul Daily

1451
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: brought that out of Paul.

1452
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: Daily brought the thunder to him and Nick Diaz rally. Dude,

1453
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: it was like, this is the Goomi fight, just pushed

1454
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: into one round and also just heightened because Gomi did

1455
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: drop him. But when once Nick dropped, he sat kind

1456
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: of pointedly and then immediately went for the takedown.

1457
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: This was Nick Diaz fighting for his life in there.

1458
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: Fighting for his life, but also like sending a message

1459
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: that I'm more, I'm more of a bad us. I'm

1460
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: more I'm the real fighter, you know what I mean,

1461
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm the real freaking fighter right now. And this is

1462
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, the cockiness level of him was always there,

1463
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: but to believe that he's the best in the world

1464
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: and he's the only, you know, true actual fighter. But god,

1465
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: he's proven it right here. I mean, this is insane

1466
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: what he had to walk through, and that swings the

1467
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: momentum and just the viciousness.

1468
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: So elbows were allowed because now UFC owned it and

1469
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: they changed the rules.

1470
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: I forgot about that.

1471
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: I remember Belendez beat the shit out of ALKI yes,

1472
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: with elbows. I was like, ooh, that was ugly, okay,

1473
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: but here you have one, and here he has dropped

1474
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: again with a huge left to You could have called

1475
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: the fight. Some fighters, some refs might have stopped it.

1476
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: You see big John McCarthy there looking intently. Dude, this

1477
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: is all action in every second, you want everything from

1478
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: this fight about someone getting dropped and having to answer

1479
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: and then rise into the occasion and swings and roll.

1480
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: This fight had everything.

1481
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: The energy on this call is incredible and the finish

1482
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: at four minutes and fifty seven seconds of the opening

1483
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: round just incredible.

1484
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: And so now you have Nick Diaz as this guy

1485
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: who you know can beat top fighters, yes, but can

1486
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: just deliver when the time calls for it.

1487
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: If you match him up.

1488
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: Correctly, that means for the first time since two thousand

1489
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: and six, it's time to bring him back to the octagon.

1490
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: So he goes.

1491
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: Now we're October twenty nine, twenty eleven, and what do

1492
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: they do. They match him up with a legend Bjpenn.

1493
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: By the way, if you recall the presser for this,

1494
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: do you remember where the presser was. The presser was outside,

1495
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: not inside, but outside under the fake Brooklyn Bridge, New York,

1496
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: New York, right on the strip.

1497
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget.

1498
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: This is also the presser where they announced John Anick

1499
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: is going to be I believe the commentator for UFC.

1500
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: It's been that long now, he's been there ten years,

1501
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: by the way, incredible, No, sorry, this is yeah, about

1502
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: ten years.

1503
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: It has been that long.

1504
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: But okay, October of twenty eleven, BC, let me tell

1505
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: you how important this fight is, because you know me,

1506
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: Bjpenn was my first ever favorite fighter, maybe my only

1507
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: favorite fighter.

1508
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: In that way.

1509
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: One of the things that had been important about Bjpenn's

1510
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: career is he had lost some fights. We had lost

1511
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: to Lioto and some other ones along the way, Saint

1512
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: Pierre beating him a couple times at this point. But

1513
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: the thing about it was he never got like truly

1514
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: banged up. He might lose, and you know it doesn't

1515
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: look good, but he didn't get banged up. Nick Diaz

1516
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: banged him up. I remember after this fight that I

1517
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: had never seen ever anyone discolor BJ's face and lump.

1518
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: Him up or turn it into hamburger me. I mean,

1519
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: this was just a no one.

1520
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: Let me make this clear, no one, no one, no

1521
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: one had ever beaten BJ Penn the way Nick Diaz

1522
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: beat him.

1523
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: I remember this was this was twenty eleven, and this

1524
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: was still in an era where hardcore boxing fans, you know,

1525
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: some of them loved the UFC, but you still had

1526
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 3: a lot of people that would just get that shit

1527
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: out away from me. Something about this fight and the

1528
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 3: fighting spirit of Nick that I remember boxing fans who

1529
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: had never talked to MMA with one time we're like,

1530
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 3: holy shit, you see that fight the other night. Like

1531
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 3: the matchmaking was perfect because Edgar Penn had lost the

1532
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: two fights to Edgar Cid lost his title, but he

1533
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 3: had kind of been rebuilt with that first round finishing

1534
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: against Matt Hughes, and then he had the draw with

1535
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 3: John Fitz. So you're sort of like, okay, BJ's thirty

1536
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 3: two only, but yet we realized it was an older

1537
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 3: thirty two. He's entering that famous older period. Yet this

1538
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: is perfect matchmaking in terms of the intersect. And I

1539
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 3: remember not knowing who's gonna win. I mean, Diez is

1540
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 3: twenty eight, but he still felt like the younger fighter.

1541
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: To me was interesting.

1542
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: He still felt like the younger guy who's on the

1543
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: way up for sure.

1544
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: And you also thought with this fight, this is why

1545
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: the matchmaking was so good. You were like, wait a second,

1546
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: You've got two guys who can box, and you've got

1547
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: two guys with elie jiu jitsu, So how's this gonna

1548
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: play out?

1549
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1550
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: You didn't really know.

1551
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: You thought you thought Nick might win with the jab

1552
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like it was still a little bit unclear, dude,

1553
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: Nick fucking pieced, But it was systematic.

1554
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: The first round was close, and there's this great early

1555
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: segment where Nick takes him down, but BJ does this

1556
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: incredible reversal, take his back and try to get a

1557
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: choke on him. But it was the bodywork Nick put

1558
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: in BJ. Not that beat up at the end of

1559
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: round one, but that bodywork starts to slow him down.

1560
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: It was really the end of round two where Nick's

1561
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 3: really smelling blood, BJ starting to get some damage on

1562
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: his face. And round three is just a beat down. Dude.

1563
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: Josh Rosenhothal had a hole Nick Diez bat before the

1564
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: start a round three. He was in full on shark

1565
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 3: I am going for the kill mode and looking back

1566
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: on it, I mean the volume, BJ taking huge breaths

1567
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 3: every time he's circling away to the corner and just

1568
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 3: getting smothered to the body combinations. This was this is gross.

1569
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 3: I mean, this was brutal. And this was the last

1570
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: the eleventh straight win for Nick Diez and ten years

1571
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 3: ago the last win for Nick Diez. It's notable for

1572
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: the afterwards where Nick screams into the microphone. George I

1573
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: don't think gsp is hurt. I think he's scared. What

1574
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: up where you're at, George? They show GSP in the

1575
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: crowd with a hot blonde and he does the whole

1576
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 3: you know, I'm fake scared stuff. But this is where

1577
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: Nick is going from Colt street fighter guy into like

1578
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: I think he's ready for the title Luke and now

1579
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 3: he's calling GSP out. I mean, this is a big

1580
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: win in his in his riots, his last win. Who

1581
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: would have got I mean, who would have freaking guessed that?

1582
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: And also what's kind of interesting is like how did

1583
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz build his name right? Sometimes he did it

1584
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: by beating the hot r and that was there like

1585
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: a tuckin Origomi or a Robbi Lawler at the time

1586
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: in which he beat Lawler. Another way he did in

1587
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: BC was on the backs of greats, by beating Frank Shamrock,

1588
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: by beating an og like Bjpenn. He had these wins

1589
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: between guys everyone thought should have clobbered him, that were

1590
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: new he beat them, and then these incredibly revered and

1591
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: sometimes quite famous names.

1592
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: In the case of Bjpenn.

1593
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: B Jpen wasn't at his most famous at that time,

1594
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: but he was well known to UFC fans and for

1595
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: Nick to do what he did to him and his

1596
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: return to the UFC. This is one of those ones

1597
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: where we've talked about who made him what he was

1598
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: as an identity. This is one of those fights that,

1599
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: to me, BC made him even more of a potential

1600
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: pay per view attraction for the future.

1601
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is that twenty eight Luke. I didn't

1602
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: think at this point. I wasn't taking into account the mileage.

1603
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 3: I wasn't taken into himcount all the wars that we

1604
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 3: just recapped and relived. At that point, I'm thinking, twenty

1605
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: eight year old he beats this legend, who again, thirty

1606
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 3: two year old Pen was an older than thirty two.

1607
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 3: I remember thinking like, this is his time. And of

1608
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: course it was his time in getting ready for a

1609
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 3: title shot, and things would fall apart and all that.

1610
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: But I would never have guessed Luke that we would

1611
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: be here ten years later where he would only have

1612
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: fought three more times that he never would have gotten

1613
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: another win. That really is this last time his heart

1614
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 3: was truly in it, Because that's what I'm wondering. I'm wondering.

1615
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm wondering at this point when we

1616
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: look back, is Nick Diaz a tragic story who right

1617
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: at the peak of his eleven fight win streak, when

1618
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: he's about to be legitimate and become potential UFC champion,

1619
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 3: that it fell apart and he had bad luck and

1620
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: it was all this or did he have to use

1621
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: everything that was in him to get to that point

1622
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 3: in all those wars and it just got to the

1623
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: point where mentally he didn't want to do this anymore.

1624
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: Well, we get a bit of an answer for the

1625
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: next fight, So go to UFC one forty three. This

1626
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: is his third to last fight up to this point,

1627
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: February fourth of twenty twelve. I had just started at

1628
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: serious extem at this time. I remember exactly talking about

1629
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: this fight. It was for the interim multiweight Championship. Diaz

1630
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: was excuse me, I should say Saint Pierre was supposed

1631
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: to fight. I believe Diaz Saint Pierre got injured, so

1632
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: Conda was a bit of a replacement or cond It

1633
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: was supposed to fight Consteck.

1634
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 3: When did Diaz not go to the press con, not

1635
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: show for the press conference and lose his title shot together?

1636
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: Was it before this fight or after?

1637
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: I think it's after this fight.

1638
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure entirely, but the point being is for

1639
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: this one, they ended up as kind of a late

1640
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: replacement situation, so there was an interim title up for grabs.

1641
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: Now this fight is kind of interesting, bec because when

1642
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: they put it together, the matchmakers had to think, wait,

1643
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: you got a guy in Diaz who's not far off

1644
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: the bjpen and Paul Daily fights. If anyone is going

1645
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: to come forward and fight, it's going to be him,

1646
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: and he did. And on the other side you have Conit,

1647
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: who was a pretty fucking hot prospect or I was

1648
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: just a contender at this point heading into the contest, dude,

1649
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to be two colliding bulls

1650
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: and it wasn't.

1651
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: For five rounds.

1652
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz walked forward and Condit used the kJ neons

1653
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: one game plan, stick and move, stick and move, and

1654
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: he did it to capture the interim belt.

1655
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: So the best part about this fight were the last

1656
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 3: five minutes before the fight started, because you thought this

1657
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 3: was going to be a five round frickin' war and

1658
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: Luke to amend the timeline real quick after Bjpenn Carlos

1659
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: kannit was announced as you said, to fight for the

1660
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: title against GSP. GSP pulled out with a knee injury.

1661
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: When GSP was healthy again, they put Diaz into that

1662
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: spot Luke, and that's when Diaz skipped the press conference.

1663
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: Didn't get it, So then DZ faces Condent and Luke.

1664
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 3: The death stare that Nick has in the prep point

1665
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 3: area was harrowing. Upon lotching get back, You're like, this

1666
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 3: is gonna be a war. And when they went head

1667
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: to head during the referees instructions, how could you not

1668
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 3: think that this was going to be the greatest fight

1669
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 3: of all time? You remember that feeling like I.

1670
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: Thought it was going to be mayhem?

1671
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 3: So what in the end was it Condent's plan game

1672
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 3: plan was to circle away and make it hard. Was

1673
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 3: it the fact that he never committed to taking nixt bait?

1674
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 3: Is that what prevented the fight from being entertaining and

1675
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,480
Speaker 3: allowing him to win? And just Nick never got emotionally

1676
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 3: invested in it. Something was off. You wonder what's going

1677
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: on in next personal life? You wish you could tell

1678
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 3: that story a little bit better along with this, because

1679
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 3: Nick's not the same guy anymore.

1680
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: So a couple of things happened with this fight.

1681
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean, part of it is that everyone thought Conda

1682
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: was going to fought differently than he did. He got

1683
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: criticized for it, by the way, pretty extensively, but he

1684
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: had Greg Jackson in his corner at the time, and

1685
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: the belief was that they wanted this was Conditt's best

1686
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: chance to win. That if Knda went in there and

1687
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: broad with Nick Daz, maybe he could win, but it

1688
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: would be a lot harder, even though you know, sort

1689
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: of the lateral movement for five rounds could be a

1690
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: lot as well. In any case, here's what happens after

1691
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: you get test positive from marijuana for like the billionth

1692
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: time Nick Diaz does, and more importantly, he kind of

1693
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: retires with him at those points says.

1694
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: He says, I just don't want to play this game.

1695
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this fucking bullshit anymore.

1696
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: And he kind of says I'm out, and so he

1697
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: this is the only fight he has in twenty twelve,

1698
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: so he just sort of sits around until his matters

1699
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: are resolved. And we now go to March sixteenth of

1700
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, when they gave him a fucking title shot

1701
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: off the loss to Carlos Condit due to a variet

1702
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:44,879
Speaker 1: of different circumstances.

1703
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 3: He was suspended for a full year YEP and find

1704
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 3: thirty percent of his perse. He was originally going to

1705
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 3: be linked to a rematch with Condit, and then they

1706
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: decided not to after the positive test, and he ends

1707
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 3: up getting the title shot. And when he got the

1708
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 3: title shot, you remember thinking like he had already blown

1709
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: his chance the first time when didn't show up to

1710
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 3: the press conference with GSP. Then he blew his chance

1711
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 3: by kind of not going forward against content and allowing

1712
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 3: the fight to play out that way. He didn't have

1713
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 3: another gear to change the fight, and it seemed he

1714
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 3: was disinterested in this war altogether. But I remember being

1715
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: really excited because it's like this was a gangster character.

1716
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 3: Maybe he can go in there and opposite the Apple car.

1717
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Speaker 3: Because this was the GSP was not only coming off injury,

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01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 3: but this was when we started to really get on

1719
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 3: GSP for being a decision fighter every single time. Wow,

1720
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 3: so this is the grind is building up on him.

1721
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: I thought this was a terrible fight for Nick Daz

1722
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: and I knew why they made it for big money,

1723
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: because Nick had grown into like an interesting threat that

1724
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: fans just adored at this point. But remember we're living

1725
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: in a world where Shirk Sanchez to an extent, Riggs

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01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: and others had burned through Diaz's guard. You knew it

1727
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: could be done, and remember Saint Pierre had already beaten

1728
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: Bjpen twice. In fact, Penn couldn't even get out of

1729
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: the fight with his normal timeframe the second time they fought. Dude,

1730
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: I knew this was going to go bad, and in

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: any case, it did. It was a fucking boring fight.

1732
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 3: I thought it didn't have one moment. I tried to

1733
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 3: find it in rewatching it. I thought, in real time

1734
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: he had one punch and trash talk, we call him,

1735
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: but he didn't even get like condent had a moment

1736
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 3: against He had the head kick, and you're like, oh

1737
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: my god, but the moment was fleeting. He had no

1738
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: moment here, and the fight was boring to your point,

1739
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 3: and it sucked.

1740
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: And too careful and good.

1741
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 3: But yet he picked up and slammed the shit out

1742
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: of him too. So GSP and gsp WA sort of

1743
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 3: suck that same entertainment out of it to minimize the

1744
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 3: danger and win it. And I remember thinking at that

1745
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 3: point I got sucked into this fight, thinking Nick could

1746
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: gangster his way into having a chance at upsetting he's

1747
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: done now. I didn't think done for would only fight

1748
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: once more. But I remember thinking, I don't think he

1749
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: has to want anymore. He's only what thirty at this point,

1750
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: I think.

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: I remember there's one common thread between the Condit fight

1752
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: and the Saint Pierre fight, which is and it completely

1753
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: supported the Nick Diaz legend that Saint Pierre didn't want

1754
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: any parts of Nick, so he was going to wrestle him,

1755
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: and Carlos Kanda didn't want any parts of him, so

1756
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: he was going to just sort of stick and move.

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: It serviced the Nick.

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: Diaz ruthers out there are the supporters whatever you want

1759
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: to call him, who believed that if you want to

1760
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: fight Nick, you got to face them head on. Like

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: Daily lost, but Daily fought Nick the way you're supposed

1762
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: to fight Nick. Those two guys didn't want to fight him.

1763
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: It means they were afraid. So like, in the end,

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01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: Diaz really won the mind game.

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01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: Core, Yeah, you pulled out, so I beat you. It's

1766
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 3: that whole DZ mindset of I beat you in that way.

1767
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 3: But here's what's crazy. As we head into the final

1768
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 3: fight here, I was criticizing the younger ds for being

1769
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 3: too willing to get into wars and taking on damage.

1770
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't need to yet that gave him a

1771
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 3: lot of times the best chance to win the fights

1772
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 3: and grow a legend. And then these final few fights

1773
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: Condent GSP and now Anderson Silva, I'm criticizing him for

1774
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 3: just not being mentally into it and not trying to

1775
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 3: get it.

1776
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 2: Into a war soever.

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01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: It is a catch twenty two right.

1778
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: However, through all this time, did any of his fans

1779
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: leave him now?

1780
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 2: No, if anything, it.

1781
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 3: Only because, as we found out, by what was nothing

1782
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 3: short of creative matchmaking and the final fight until this

1783
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 3: weekend that we've seen of Nick Diaz. You have the

1784
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: date there was January thirty first, twenty fifteen.

1785
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: I remember the for the for the weigh ins, the

1786
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: only used to have fighters come out and do a

1787
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: U and with the craft. Do you remember who the

1788
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: fighter was, No, Connor McGregor. Connor McGregor did the Q

1789
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: and A.

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: I remember that I was finishing of the Guard.

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: I sat next to Jordan Breen for that and we

1792
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: were watching and we were like, God, damn, Connor McGregor's

1793
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: big as shit for one forty five.

1794
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: I remember thinking, this is very fun, creative matchmaking and

1795
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 3: a great idea. I assumed it would be loved it.

1796
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: I assumed it would be batshit weird. I didn't think

1797
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 3: to this level. Now watching it back, the first round

1798
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: is fun because you get Nick laying down, trying to

1799
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 3: do anything to lure Anderson, which was which is interesting

1800
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 3: because Anderson's that guy who normally is doing the come

1801
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 3: forward to try to lure you into a trap. Nick's

1802
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 3: using the powers on him, to Anderson's credit, and never

1803
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: really took the bait. And then the fight fell into

1804
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 3: that same pattern and it was shitty, and it was

1805
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 3: the third straight big fight all over again where Nick

1806
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: just doesn't want to do what it takes to make

1807
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 3: it a brawl. But is it in his mind that

1808
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 3: he knows he's out gunned. If he tries to that,

1809
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: he's gonna get countered, he's gonna get handled, Or did

1810
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 3: he just not want you anymore? Luke? What the heck

1811
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: was it for this time?

1812
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: Not entirely certain.

1813
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: I think he was burned out at this point, but

1814
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: also he goes to another fight, the third in a row,

1815
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: or someone just did want to meet him, on his terms.

1816
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: They wanted to meet.

1817
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: Him on terms that were winnable, but not the kind

1818
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: where again, how you're supposed to fight Nick Diaz A

1819
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: la Paul.

1820
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: To ask you a hard question. Is there an element

1821
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: of front runner in him when he's getting Lawlor with

1822
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 3: the tricks, he's having fun when he's getting bj Penn

1823
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: and being the guy coming on? But do we We

1824
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 3: did see him rally, never because he did rally against

1825
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: Paul Daily, But.

1826
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: But I think he is disinterested in a certain kind

1827
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,959
Speaker 1: of opponent and it shows.

1828
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 3: And once he checks out, he's out.

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01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: He's out, that's right, totally out. And at this point

1830
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: he checks out from the sport. We've all seen what

1831
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: will happened. We lived through it, we have been well.

1832
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 3: He had the suspension after this, he failed again for marijuana.

1833
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 3: I know, the whole thing, and then also you get

1834
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 3: a five year suspension. At first they.

1835
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: Tried, they tried, and then remember also this is the

1836
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: fight where Edison Silba wins, but the result is overturned

1837
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: because he had his own anti doping issues.

1838
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: The whole thing was a bit of a mess.

1839
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: We have not seen Nick Diaz since dot dot dot

1840
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: until Saturday. He returns to the scene of the crime,

1841
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: so to speak, and he takes on what we have

1842
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: called and I believe we I think. I don't want

1843
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: to speak for you, but I think that is the

1844
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: found day, first most important fight in his career. He

1845
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: has come full circle brand Campbell seventeen years later.

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01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 3: And as much as you didn't want this episode to

1847
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 3: go along, we had too many great fights to look

1848
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 3: back on. It's a fun wild ride that we took

1849
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 3: to get here. He is a special fighter. Nobody else,

1850
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 3: not even his brother, although it's close. Nobody else has

1851
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 3: that same unique legacy that Nicky has.

1852
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,919
Speaker 1: You can see why he has an anti authority attitude.

1853
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: You can see why the fans love him. You can

1854
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 1: see what he built his name off of. What ladder

1855
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: he climbed and how he did it. And he did

1856
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: it very much his own way. Whether he won or

1857
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: whether he lost, he did both.

1858
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: Of them, in some cases quite spectacularly.

1859
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 3: I exit this saying I never say that nick is

1860
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: one of my favorite fighters after this. Of course he is.

1861
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 3: Of course he is. I mean he's everything you want.

1862
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: Everything he was he made him and his brother and

1863
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 1: lots of people. But like if you think of individual

1864
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: fighter careers. That just made emm a much more interesting.

1865
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: You have to put Nick Dias on the shore.

1866
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 3: He's the coolest fighter of all time. He's cooler than

1867
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 3: Connor mcgran He's the coolest fighter of all time, without

1868
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: freaking question.

1869
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: But this is what he did in the in the

1870
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: on the resume, on the cage, this is his case resume.

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01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 2: So that's Brian Campbell.

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01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas thumbs up on the video hit subscribed

1873
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: enjoy UFC two sixty six. If we cursed him, I'm sorry,

1874
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: but there's really no such things, so I'm not that sorry.

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 2: Sorry, not sorry in any case.

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01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: In any case, we'll be back for after the fights

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: for plenty of analysis. But we hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: resume review. Until next time, stay frosty,