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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast George Norri with you. Josh to Keel

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Speaker 1: with US activist filmmaker author has worked as an energy

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Speaker 1: as numerous private companies and individuals. To Kel has traveled

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Speaker 1: nationwide in his vegetable oil powered Veggie Van is handbuilt

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Speaker 1: are embarking on its first US tour back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand three. Welcome to the program, Josh to Kell Josh,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, George, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I remember back in my St. Louis days, Josh, when

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Speaker 1: I was doing a show called the Nighthawk Program. I

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Speaker 1: with this. Was that similar to your veggie van? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all of that. I wrote a book called From the

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Speaker 1: Friar to the Fuel Tank, How to Make How to

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Speaker 1: make keep clean fuel from vegetable oil. Uh and and

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Speaker 1: it just started this crazy biodiesel revolution. Of course, this

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Speaker 1: the hold. How did you get involved in this? Well,

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Louisiana, and I watched members of

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Speaker 1: that stuff. Because no one knows this, but the rate

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Speaker 1: doing all of the wonderful technological things that we did

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Speaker 1: without hurting the environment, without hurting people. Why is it

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Speaker 1: as kids? It kind of shapes our foundation when we

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Speaker 1: become adults, doesn't it. The same thing happened to me.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to uncover, you know, paranormal stories. I was

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Speaker 1: obsessed with it. Look at me now, exactly? You know

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Speaker 1: I have no idea that I'd be doing what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing now. Well, I'm glad you are, because we need

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Speaker 1: more watchdogs like you, Josh. It's we're going through incredible teams.

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you from the outset. I'm not

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Speaker 1: And I think we're polluting this planet like crazy. We

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Speaker 1: funny enough, you mentioned that in the book Kiss the Ground.

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Speaker 1: We uncover a totally different side of things because we're

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Speaker 1: all used to this sort of this very you know

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Speaker 1: the world. It's called desertification. And when we desertify soils,

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Speaker 1: That story I just had before you came on about

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Speaker 1: misnomer is that all eat is bad. Right, So this

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Speaker 1: So what we show in this movement, the regenerative Agriculture movement,

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Speaker 1: ten shocking truths revealed in your book Kiss the Ground.

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Speaker 1: Will go through each area one by one and let

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Speaker 1: She's a great person. She really has got a heart

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Speaker 1: of goal too. Um the Green Revolution, tell me about that. Well, see,

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Speaker 1: solar radiation from the sun only has three pathways. When

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Speaker 1: So when we create dry, hard, barren surfaces. You ever

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Speaker 1: got to be environmental. Well, we know, we know definitively now.

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