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Speaker 1: The Lakers bench was outscored thirty to fourteen, which was

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Speaker 2: But tonight, again it was defense.

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Speaker 1: They gave up one hundred and forty six Saturday night,

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Speaker 2: This is not acceptable. I mean, look at all these minuses.

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Speaker 1: Daurriian Phiney Smith minus six, Lebron minus seventeen, Jackson Hayes

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Speaker 1: Huh, they need to do something because this ain't getting

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Speaker 1: some problems, nothing that can't solve. They got what three

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they got, they got, they got a ways

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Speaker 2: He look, look, look, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know how many I don't know how many players the

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Speaker 2: You gotta trade in for Luca.

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Speaker 1: There ain't a whole lot of players a team won't trade.

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Speaker 1: It's reported that they called Minnesota by ant Man. No,

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Speaker 1: And y'all know what I think of Baby. I love Abby.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is is you make the trade.

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Speaker 4: It happens, he comes out, he gives you the eight

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Speaker 4: you know what, we let Luca go, but we still

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Speaker 4: He's still a quality player that can put butts in

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Speaker 2: When he's on the court.

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Speaker 4: You see him come back and have a good game

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Speaker 4: to night, you know, before until he gets his legs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the reasons about Joe. Yeah, when

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Speaker 1: He can shoot the three. Now he's not shooting forty percent,

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Speaker 1: and I'm fine with that. It's unfair in some ways.

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Speaker 1: I don't get enough credit for winning those three games.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never

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Speaker 2: Did you say this out lost?

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Speaker 4: I mean, are we happy about are we happy about losing?

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Speaker 1: I'm just it's more embarrassing that you had a three

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Speaker 2: Bet they know how to come on, man.

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Speaker 1: Doc, you know what I wouldn't even said nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've had three to one lead in five or

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Speaker 4: I'm just and then you know it. Also, I'm just

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Speaker 1: Yes, him, he's talking. Yeah, it's a quote. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: one tells the real story, and I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: It's unfair in some ways. I don't get enough credit

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Speaker 2: Games one in one shot.

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Speaker 1: But not in a series, not where it takes four

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Speaker 1: two on Doc. Doc is too much of a student

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Speaker 2: I don't get enough credit for that because I did

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Speaker 1: You know how many coaches ever had a twenty five

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Speaker 1: you lost?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: in the first to four you won three games and

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Speaker 1: you lost the series.

436
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Speaker 2: Still that I don't know.

437
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 4: I need I need more context to the to the

438
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Speaker 4: conversation because the way it is being worried, it doesn't

439
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Speaker 4: sound like, come on, doc, would you really say something

440
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Speaker 4: like that?

441
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Speaker 1: Would you really?

442
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, for winning, because.

443
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: He has the most three he has the most blown

444
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: three one leads in NBA history. He's saying, y'all not

445
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: giving me credit for winning three games.

446
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 4: And that that ain't the way nobody who get credit.

447
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 4: That ain't the way it worked out, and nothing and

448
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: nothing you do in life.

449
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: He had against the Celtics in twenty three, a three

450
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: two lead loss, twenty twenty against the Nuggets in the Bubble,

451
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: three to one lead, lost twenty fifteen the Rockets.

452
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: He was at the Clip, he was at the Clippers

453
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Speaker 2: at the time.

454
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Speaker 1: Lost twenty twelve against the Heat, three two lead loss,

455
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Speaker 1: twenty ten against the Lakers three two loss, two thousand

456
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Speaker 1: and nine, against the Magic three two loss.

457
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three Pistons three to one lost.

458
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Speaker 1: My goodness, listen, what were we.

459
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Speaker 2: Supposed to do that?

460
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: The difficulty of being a coach, the difficulties of being

461
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Speaker 4: a head coach at the highest level.

462
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Speaker 1: Here's the question, the question mark Spears asked him, how

463
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Speaker 1: do you deal with all the criticism you've received from

464
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: the media and on social media from losing three to

465
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Speaker 1: one series leads four times. Doc quote was a direct

466
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: response to what he was asked by Mark J. Spears,

467
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Speaker 1: how do you feel with all the criticism you've received

468
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: from the media and no social media? So, I guess

469
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 1: ain't nobody that's criticizing Huh. You don't think other coaches

470
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: talking about damn Doc? You don't think players, says So

471
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Speaker 1: what you think?

472
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Speaker 2: I get it?

473
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Speaker 1: Blaming the media, blame blame social media. So but we're

474
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Speaker 1: the only ones a no player. As a matter of fact,

475
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Speaker 1: what happened when he lost the Clippers three one lead?

476
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: Guess management blamed him too. They got him up out

477
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: of there. Yeah, okay, uh uh uh uh Billy, what

478
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: did they do? They got him up out of there?

479
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: So I guess it ain't just the media and social media.

480
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: So I have to have a question. It's boss, So

481
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, now, hold on, Now,

482
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Speaker 1: I have a question. I think.

483
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Speaker 4: Now the opportunity is given when it comes in the

484
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 4: NFL is a little bit different as opposed to to.

485
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Speaker 2: To the NBA.

486
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Speaker 4: Now, he continues to get jobs for a reason exactly. Yeah,

487
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 4: he's a great he's a great coach, he's a great coat.

488
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 4: He has to be great at something there that that

489
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Speaker 4: he does, because there's a reason you continue to have

490
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 4: all these jobs despite the losses that are happening at

491
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 4: important times at the wrong times, and they're letting you go,

492
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: but you get the job somewhere else right away, Like

493
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Speaker 4: it's nothing.

494
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Speaker 2: So there's something specialist about him, right mmm.

495
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Speaker 4: I don't like that answer, though, they're if if he

496
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 4: could take it back, if he can read the quote

497
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Speaker 4: now with a little bit of clarity and understanding what

498
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Speaker 4: you mean, limit, let me finish. I guarantee you here

499
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: we here worded different here worded differently, because if I'm

500
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: telling you see how you see how you and your

501
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: right state of mind is sitting here reading it and

502
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Speaker 4: then getting better context on what the people Yeah, hey.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's let's put up because we want to

504
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Speaker 1: put some more comments. Because you think he was taking

505
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Speaker 1: out of context. He had.

506
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Speaker 4: It wasn't because once you told me what the question was,

507
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Speaker 4: that that gave me a better understanding.

508
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Speaker 2: It was a direct question.

509
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Speaker 4: So the answering the quote was literally direct based on

510
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Speaker 4: you know.

511
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you know, sometimes they leave stuff out.

512
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Speaker 1: Okay, how about this here? It is what it is.

513
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Speaker 1: It's a part of my legacy. There's nothing I can

514
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Speaker 1: do about it. I got a team that was an

515
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: eight seed up three to one. That's coaching. That's not

516
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: bad coaching. There are several eight seeds that have actually

517
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Speaker 1: won the different Nuggets. Was the first eight seed they

518
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: beat the Seattle Super Song who was the number one seat.

519
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that later. The one with the

520
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Clippers is the only one that got away. But people

521
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: don't realize that Chris Paul was running on one leg

522
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen with the Clippers, and we also the

523
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: underdog in that series. When you think about it, Houston

524
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: had home court, not US.

525
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: So let me get it.

526
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: Was good enough you got you beat them twice on

527
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Speaker 1: their home court to get a three to get a

528
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: three one league. So he was on one leg. So

529
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: one leg got you a three one lead, one leg

530
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: couldn't get you another win. Okay, okay, how about this,

531
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Speaker 1: we didn't have home court. Well, it goes roll to

532
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: your first two games at the If you're the underdog,

533
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: that means the first two games at the home. So

534
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: that means in order for you to get a three

535
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: to one lead, you had to have won one game

536
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: on their court.

537
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: Exactly, it's on your resume, Doc.

538
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: I think the best thing could say, hey, look, it's

539
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: a part of it's a part of me. I wish

540
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: maybe I could have done something different, call different plays,

541
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: put players in different situations. But to say, I don't

542
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: get enough credit for winning three games when it's a

543
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: four game See when it's a seven game series and

544
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: it's the first to four, not the first to three.

545
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: He got to miss me with that one. He got

546
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: to miss me with that one. So sorry, Doc, we

547
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: can't agree on that one. Oh lord, I was hoping

548
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: we'd have to do this. Sante Samuel saw the clips

549
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: of us debating him in Prime, and he responded to us, O, Joe,

550
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: that's your problem, pimp.

551
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: You're also brainwashed that Shanna Sharp.

552
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about what everyone proceeds to be true,

553
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: like yourself. I stand on facts. You have yet to

554
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: talk about the facts. You can easily be manipulated, just

555
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't

556
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: debate me big facts. Oh, Shannon Sharp, safety has the

557
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: short safety has the short middle. Nobody's in the deep

558
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: but me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp.

559
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: You just talking at you with no facts.

560
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: Let's talk or you scared like everyone else.

561
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: Bro, Hey, I ain't even know he answers. You like okay?

562
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 4: I like that, I like that, and y'all y'all, hey, listen,

563
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: we can have a Club Sachet right listen to me, now,

564
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: stay with me.

565
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: You have a Club Sachet.

566
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Speaker 4: DV edition, a good conversation PowerPoint presentation style film up

567
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: there to support each of your your opinions and facts

568
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: that you might have with it. Ain't no opinion, He's

569
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: not time. Let me finished, baby, let me finish. I'm

570
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: just listen listen. I'm giving you the ultimate content right now,

571
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: something that's never been done before, a format that's never

572
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: been done before.

573
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Speaker 2: Two players, actually three because you were a part of

574
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: the two three plays. You got prime to Sonny Samuels.

575
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: And you you one that loves a breakdown film. He's

576
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: also one who loves a breakdown film. Now just pitch

577
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: it this. You talk about you, You think Kat william

578
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: did a whole bunch of numbers?

579
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: What you think you a son sit down?

580
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: You know going over. Okay, you want to prove it,

581
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: prove it dieing a skoy.

582
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: Don't lie.

583
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just throwing the id out there because

584
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: the format has never been ninetyfore.

585
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: I've given I've given coach time and myself have given

586
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: a tante Samuel more tension since he's been retired than

587
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's

588
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: nothing to debate my bad. There's nobody. There's no one

589
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna say. He's in the realm of Time. He's in

590
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: the realm of the Reil Reevers. He's in the realm

591
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: of Rod Woodson or a Charles Woodson or a Darryl

592
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: Green or a Male Blunt. He's not. I don't give

593
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: a damn what he says about the film. He played,

594
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: he played more game, he played more. Look, bro, you

595
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable career. Congratulations, You're just not Time. You're

596
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: not Time, You're not Readers, you're hold on find out

597
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: did he make an All Decade team? Because Time made

598
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: All Decade and he's one of the one hundred greatest

599
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: players of all time. Let's see his resume, Let's see

600
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: his body of work. I complimented. I said Time, don't

601
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: believe it wasted motion. The team step worked well for Sante.

602
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: I gave him a compliment. Let's see his resume. So

603
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: you didn't make all decade, four time Pro bowler, one

604
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: time All Pro? How many times the time they Pro

605
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: Bowls to time?

606
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: Mate? How many all teams? Yeah?

607
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh, same number of Super Bowls?

608
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: But one guy was a defensive Player of the Year.

609
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power.

610
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: How many dvs can say swung the balance of power?

611
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: He go to one team to keep the other team

612
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: from going. He goes to the other team and keep

613
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: that team from going. Bro, you had an unbelievable career.

614
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: You went to a Pro Bowl, you an All Pro.

615
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: You're not Time and there. That's not asknob It's okay,

616
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: it's okay. But I don't know why you're getting mad

617
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: at me. I tell you what.

618
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: Find Go find the gym, Go find the coach.

619
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: Go find a player that says a Sante Samuel is

620
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: the equivalent or better than Time. That's all you gotta do. Hell,

621
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: your son won't say you better than Time, and he

622
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: a junior. Just be real, man, you coming, I'm the

623
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: wrong when you h what you doing?

624
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: Where you going?

625
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: I got that?

626
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: What's that?

627
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about? Pro, I don't

628
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I complimented you. I said

629
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: you had an outstanding career. I say the tea step

630
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: served you well. I just said you weren't time.

631
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: That's okay. If somebody says, you know, what's Shannon, you

632
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you at the eight Pro Bowl,

633
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: your first team All Pro, You're an All decade player.

634
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: You in the Hall of Fame.

635
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: But you ain't Gromp Okay, you ain't Travis Kelcey okay.

636
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: But you ain't gonna go no other tide end. Let

637
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: me talk about you.

638
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Ain't that If you want to say Gromp, If you

639
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: want to say Ken see Shannon, you not that.

640
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: I ain't finna fight you. But you ain't gonna go

641
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: no more. You ain't gonna go no more.

642
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: Because when I left, every record that a tight end

643
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: can have, I had it, catch it yards, touched out

644
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: most yards of the game.

645
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: Hey, so hold on, I just now that now that

646
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 4: you mentioned that, when when it comes, when we factor

647
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor

648
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: in in in Asadan's case, or it doesn't matter, just

649
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: just curious.

650
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: He had more, he had more pass break up and

651
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: fewer interceptions? How many pick sixty did he have? All

652
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: I know is when I left the game, I had

653
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't

654
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: nobody had them but me. Now that them came along

655
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: and broke up. Gods On broke up, and Gage did this,

656
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: and Gronk and this and that. But I don't know.

657
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why he mad at me. I gave

658
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: him a company, said he had an outstanding career. I

659
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: said the tea step for him, who served him well.

660
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: I like the convo, I like the dialogue. I would

661
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: I would love.

662
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but

663
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: for people that are fans of the game. I wish

664
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: we could die a little bit more. Obviously not here

665
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: on the show.

666
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just asking you find the general manager,

667
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: find the head coach, find the receiver, because he talking

668
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: about he talking like he was that he get back.

669
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: I guarantee you when you find somebody that say he'll

670
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: top ten a top ten corner back.

671
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: If we go back and study history top ten corner.

672
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: So we got time, we got Reebis, we got Mail Blunt,

673
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: we got Rod Woodson, we got Daryl Green, we got

674
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: a Nils Williams, we got Mail Blunt. Okay, that's seven

675
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: right there. Where are we going to put him in

676
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: the midst of all times and the history of the NFL?

677
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Is he cracking the top ten?

678
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: That's your I mean here, that's your homeboy, hen paughted,

679
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: I want you tell me, you tell.

680
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: Me where would you put him?

681
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: Now? Why I'm asking you? I just named seven guys.

682
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: Which one of those seven guys?

683
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: You? Are you putting him in front of huh Herman,

684
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 4: you're listening. I'm asking you. Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey.

685
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: You put him in front of Champ. You ain't answer

686
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: the question? Are you putting him in front of Champ? Hereman,

687
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: I'm listening. Yeah, where would you put in? Where would

688
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 4: you rank?

689
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: No? No, I asked you. No.

690
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: Yes, Now I'm asking you where are you ripe here?

691
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Based on what you I'm asking it's bad. I just

692
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: asked this batter, simple question.

693
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: I gave him seven eight names he talking about, Well

694
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: would I rank you? And I asked you because listen,

695
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: don't I get it?

696
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: Are you gonna probably bump into it?

697
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on at some point in time, Hey,

698
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 4: hold on, It don't matter who I bump into it is?

699
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you gotta be printed.

700
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: The guy that I.

701
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 4: Missed, he addressed you, well, wh are you asking me

702
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: the question? He addresses you something, asking you where do

703
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: you rank them?

704
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: Already has said it? Are you putting? He's not in

705
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: front of time. He's not in front of Reavers. He's

706
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: not in front of Wad Woodson. He's not in front

707
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mail Blood.

708
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: He's not in front of Neils Williams. He's not in

709
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: front of a champ Bailey. That's seven. Okay, that seven guys. Okay,

710
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: now stay second, now you who is he in front of?

711
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: Is he top ten all time in the history? Dick Knight,

712
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: try Lane, Amel Tunnel is here? Hey hey uh uh,

713
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm just asking he got all these facts? Who is

714
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: he in front of? I'll tell you what? Who is

715
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: he in front of of the list that I just named?

716
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: Now you you you name you name all lord, you

717
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: name all time?

718
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: Like all time?

719
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: He talking like he all times? Great that's the problem.

720
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: Nobody got a problem with him, said, he's not good.

721
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: We're talking about he talking about how did you talking about?

722
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: All time great? The guy that I list, he's at

723
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the front of the line. Time it mayl Blunt Defensive

724
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, Charles Woodson Defensive Player of the Year,

725
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: Rod Woodson Defensive.

726
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: Player of the Year.

727
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: They're for a lot of guys, but number two Wonder

728
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: at the front of the line. He talking like he

729
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: in that room. They're a group. Look, we go into

730
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: a room in the Hall of Fame. Okay, we going

731
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: to a room. We all into a room, but there

732
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: are certain guys at certain tables. We in the room,

733
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: but we're not at that table. He not even in

734
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: the room. He on the outside. Hey, y'all know I

735
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: played right, Yeah, but this for big dog, keep it

736
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: a stack. So I want chat y'all tell me of

737
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: the guys that I list, who he better than.

738
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: I ain't mintioned Pat p, I ain't Mitch Mitch Sherman yet.

739
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: I just I just gave y'all a couple of names.

740
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me who he better than

741
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: than the list I listed. Who y'all put him in

742
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: front of chat. Y'all put him in front of Dion,

743
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: y'all put him in front of the Reavers, y'all put

744
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: him in front of Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson. Or y'all

745
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: put him in front of Mail Blood. Who are y'all

746
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: putting Champ Bailey? Who are y'all putting him in front

747
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: of Samuel Who?

748
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: Hello? I'm trying to I'm trying to say, I'm trying

749
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: to see what.

750
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: This chat talking about. No, I want no, I want

751
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: you to see what the chat talking about. You playing

752
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: against it? What you're talking about. You played against Charles Wilson,

753
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: You played against Pat p, You played against Sharan.

754
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: I ain't. I ain't playing against Sharan, but you know

755
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: you know I did.

756
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: I did.

757
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: I didn't.

758
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 4: I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me,

759
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 4: it was like it was like Halloween. If I knock

760
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 4: on the door, I'm coming to get some candy.

761
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that

762
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: were mentioned, who is he in front of?

763
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't say in front of because you you

764
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: mentioned you know the greats. But he has he has

765
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: the numbers to be in the room. I know I

766
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 4: know that much. And you based everything off numbers. When

767
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 4: you talk about let me let me finish before you

768
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: say anything. When you talk about the MJ in comparison

769
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 4: to Michael Jordan, when it comes to the base in

770
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: any other sport, we always bring up the numbers, but

771
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, some was are ignored when it

772
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: comes are now talking about the due comparison and.

773
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: All those Listen, this dude got full Pro bowls.

774
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: Listen to me.

775
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm not finished.

776
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: Okay, but again, now we we understand, we we understand.

777
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 4: But when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know,

778
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: we do everything.

779
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: I tell you what we do everything. Number you had

780
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: a former coach, Your former coach had three Pro Bowls

781
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: and sixty two picks you taking?

782
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: He dicked the boat?

783
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: Oh what.

784
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: Numbers?

785
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: Hey?

786
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: What you what you know about? You just told me numbers?

787
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean that, Dave. Listen, that's what everything is

788
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: based off of. Right, Yeah, No, okay, numbers. Okay, let's

789
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: go all pros, let's go Pro bowls, let's go all decade,

790
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: let's go defensive player of the year. Right, that's part

791
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: of numbers, also, right.

792
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: Just not picks, Okay, okay, okay.

793
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: I got you three I'll look at it like this.

794
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: If you get fixed picks and you give up eight utchdowns,

795
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: what if you're done? Okay, what I see what's doing?

796
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: I like that, Joe.

797
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: I thought the job of a corner is to take

798
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: away more than you give up.

799
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: That's that's that's a great convo. That's that's a great.

800
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who

801
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: is he better then than the list I remained. Now

802
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have guess what what, let's have the conversation. Hopefully,

803
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Lord spare of both of our lives, we're able to

804
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: have a conversation another ten to fifteen years. Well, we're not.

805
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna we're gonna need to see a gold jacket

806
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: on his back because all the guys that I mentioned

807
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: I hate, Jalen Ramsey's gonna be coming up. Richard Sherman's

808
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna be coming up. Pat He's gonna be coming up.

809
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: You see what he trying to do. Oh, it's all

810
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: about marketing, bro. You played on the Patriots, Ty Long

811
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: played on the Patriots. Ty Long got a red jacket

812
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: and a gold jacket. So don't stay that bull job

813
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: about marketing. If you who was on TV more than

814
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Oh Joe, oh, during during that during that

815
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: twenty year run, during that time, who also nine marketed.

816
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: Time?

817
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: Ain't no marketing, bro? Yeah, he marked himself to know

818
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: how to parlay that. But that man on the field,

819
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: you better go check them taps. Hey, that's either you

820
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: can or you can't. That's a great conversation. Bro, that's

821
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: a that's a good one. Now, oh, it's a good one.

822
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: Wynman Brown, Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine, like nine

823
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Pro bowls. You better go check. That's a great congo.

824
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 4: Oh.

825
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Then the grabb Men water making ahead. Bro, Santai, you

826
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: had a great career, Bro, you good player. You just

827
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: said all I said. You weren't tied and you had

828
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: to get personal. I don't know, I don't know why.

829
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to come on Nightcap to

830
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: get to get your name out there, you.

831
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: Could have did that.

832
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 4: Hey hey, hey, hey, listen, that is a great combo. Boy,

833
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: you hear me, it's a great congo.

834
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: What what's a great combo? This one? I like this.

835
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: I just obviously it's not me as the individual, but

836
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's why I was taking it is prime?

837
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 2: Is he better than Stefan Gilmore? How some point?

838
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Chat? Don't y'all want you to chime in instead of

839
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: just talking about this is a great combo. I'm here.

840
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: You're telling me? You tell I listened nightcap? Fucking o Choe,

841
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Holo holo. Hold no, listen, go back for chamming it all.

842
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm in chamming it all night.

843
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm listening to you. But listen.

844
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 4: He listening to he and dressed? He an't dressed Shannon Sharp?

845
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: Me send a long message to Shannon Sharp. So I'm

846
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: just listening with you.

847
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: Hold on? Where did he address Shannon Sharp? What was

848
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp speaking on?

849
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: On?

850
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: What?

851
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: On him? Oh? Nightcap? Nightcap? King o chap?

852
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: So is your is your job to answer back?

853
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: I get it? Chat, y'all eat, Oh yo, don't want

854
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: to tie meet evil Plauter. Oh Joe might bump into it.

855
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: Y'all know me. I'll give a nail.

856
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: And what is bumping? What he heard the.

857
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: Shark?

858
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: Whatever Shannon Sharp say on Nightcap? Shannon Sharp with if

859
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: you been bumped into? Said player? Shannon Sharp is mad

860
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: enough to stand on that bro. You not tied? You

861
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: not Charles Woodson, You not Rod Woodson. You not Darrell Reavers,

862
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: You not male Blood, You not Mike Haynes, You not

863
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: there Green, You not facts. Now, of the ten guys

864
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: that I named, find the coach, find the receiver that

865
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: says Sante Samuel is better than any of those guys. T.

866
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 4: And the way, the way, the way you make it sound,

867
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: uh to you, you being mean, O Joe, You and

868
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 4: you and you you seen a ye. Yeah, you make

869
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: it sound you make it sound like like Buddy was

870
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 4: trash or something. I didn't say, I wait, I'm just

871
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 4: saying the way you talking, like you're acting like we

872
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 4: just sitting there talking about some just some old bum

873
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: we I'm just I'm just curious, Oh.

874
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Joe, who could I say?

875
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, listen, I played the game.

876
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: Listen, I played the game. List Wait, stay with me,

877
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 4: Stay with me, stay with me real quick. I played

878
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: the game on the other side of the ball. So

879
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: I know I played against Prime, I played against ZionT.

880
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: I have an understanding of both and how good they were,

881
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: what they hold on great as Prime was and how

882
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: good Zont was. So it's hard for me to sit

883
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: there and say, you know the way you're doing when

884
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: I saw it with my own eyes, I understand.

885
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: How great Prime is. But then I know what that

886
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: young boy was doing as well. When he was playing.

887
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: All I said I said he was good. I said

888
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: he was a very good player, had an unbelievable career.

889
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: Was the text.

890
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't change he used the technique. He used the

891
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: technique that time doesn't approve of two things can be true, sir. Okay,

892
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: some guys like to play press and opened the gate. Yes,

893
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: some guys like the press and put hand whatever technique

894
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: works for you. But he was talking as if he

895
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: was the equivalent because he posted his stats in time.

896
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: Status said, look at our facts.

897
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent, Okay,

898
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: And I said he's not. I didn't say he wasn't

899
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: a good player. I said he went the Pro Bowls.

900
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: I think he was an all pro. I know he

901
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: won Super Bowls in New England.

902
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: That's what I say.

903
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: He took offense that I didn't co signing. I don't

904
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: need no marketing. I don't need the co sign I

905
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: think everybody's known. I didn't have an opportunity to critique

906
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: Time when he played. When he went back for those

907
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: two years because he was mainly a safety and he

908
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never

909
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: had a problem critiquing any player. I critique Tom Brady, Peyton, Manny,

910
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: you name a player, Ray Lewis, Receivers or t O Randy.

911
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem critique it because I'm basing

912
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: it on my knocked intimate knowledge of the game in

913
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: film study when I was at CBS. I would watch

914
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: film How many times when I was at CBS or Fox.

915
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: When you ever heard a guy called tell abou shouting shop?

916
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: Don't know what the hell he talking about? N That

917
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: ain't happen.

918
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: See you what y'all try to do? Well, you're doing this.

919
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: That's not what I said.

920
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: No, no, I never said, and I've never seen the

921
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: difference is skill tried to say. I said I was

922
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well.

923
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: Why would I, as a tight.

924
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: End, compare myself to a right right, right right?

925
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: I would need to compare myself to Gromp, to Kelsey

926
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: or a tight end, And that's the only way you

927
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: can get an equivalent. I said, I said, yeah, Assante

928
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: had a great career pro Bowl, Super bowls now God

929
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: like I said, you want to say, Hildon, you ain't trish,

930
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: you ain't gromp. You right live with that. You right,

931
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: you got me?

932
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: Right, you got me. But I'm I'm just confused.

933
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: But look, bro, you I gave Hermela, I gave you

934
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of fame, fame that you never would have

935
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: got had you not mentioned me or time.

936
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: Enjoy it.

937
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: Now go back to your solitary life. Nobody's gonna win.

938
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: Were the last I'll tell you, what about Joe? When

939
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: was the last time prior to the last night, When

940
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: was the last time you heard somebody?

941
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 5: Mitchell Sante Samuel, Take you time. I'm gonna get me.

942
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go get me some water.

943
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 4: Take you time, Hey, chat, y'all keep on your interest anyway, chat,

944
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 4: We're back on to love set, he love set.

945
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: Other than that, it's a great conversation.

946
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: I like it.

947
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: I like the dialogue, I like the back and forth.

948
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: I like players also where we always talk about having

949
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 4: a belief, having not not only belief in what you

950
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: can do and what you've already done, and bring it

951
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: to the forefront, bring it to the forefront, and supporting

952
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: what it is you've done in comparison to someone else

953
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: who is so great, And that's okay. Now, a lot

954
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: of people won't see it that way as you can

955
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 4: see it, including But one thing I've always do see

956
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: is if you were bad at what you do, then

957
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: I will always come out and say that. But I

958
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 4: played against both, and I understand how good both were.

959
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 4: I understand how great Prime was, obviously catching him on

960
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 4: the tail end of his career and obviously playing against

961
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: thee doing this Prime and understanding how good he was,

962
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: how much of a student of the game he was.

963
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: And what I'm not going to do is diminish what

964
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: I was able to see for years while I was

965
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 4: playing and understanding watching film here and understand how good

966
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 4: he was and how savvy was technically, you know.

967
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: So it's different coming.

968
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: From someone that actually played on the opposite side and

969
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: understand how good he was, you know. So it's hard

970
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 4: to see it to say, oh, he'd not be whoa, whoa, whoaa.

971
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: I had to go against this. I had to go

972
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: against that for years.

973
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 2: So it's different. It's differ, you know.

974
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 4: It's especially and a lot of a lot of people

975
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 4: in the chat I've seen the comments on Twitter on

976
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 4: x whatever it may be. Their feelings are always different

977
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 4: as well, because it's based off who you know and

978
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: what they've done.

979
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: Hey, that was good. I just asked you a simple question.

980
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: Which one prior to last night and today, when was

981
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: the last time you heard somebody mentioned the Sante said,

982
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to know. I'm on.

983
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: I'll be on Nightcap.

984
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: Every time a time they break a record, who record

985
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: they see to there the most one hundred and fifty

986
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: yard games, the more lost, this the most that every

987
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: Sunday in the NFL season on the tight end does something?

988
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: Who name is up there? When they have their names,

989
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: he just passed this one whose name is also up there?

990
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: Oh yo, oh yall, Hey, don't worry about O Joe

991
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: and chat all.

992
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: I try to do.

993
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: I try to, you know, try to go back and forth.

994
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: But oh show you know o' chos like hey, and

995
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: we did. We did go back and forth.

996
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 4: That was That was a good one though, now no

997
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: you well you laughing, I'm saying, I'm for real, that

998
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: was a good one. I don't That was a good one.

999
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: That was a good one.

1000
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: No, Hey, the each is on. I wish him the

1001
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: best wish him the best.

1002
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Tom Brady had miss tension had developed with Coach Belichick

1003
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: during the tenure during the end of the quarterbacks time

1004
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. In the latest edition of its weekly newsletter,

1005
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: Yes Brady has a newsletter, I didn't know that, Brady

1006
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: briefly spent some time talking about the split from the Patriots. First,

1007
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: Brady said he knew it was likely wouldn't end up

1008
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: finishing his career with the Patriots. His first thoughts about

1009
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: leaving the team happened two or three years before it

1010
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: actually happened. But it was a creeping decision that lividly

1011
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: passive in the back of my mind two or three

1012
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: years until March or twenty twenty, when the Whorld win

1013
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: of a few days made me realize that the decision

1014
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: was coming sooner rather than later. Yeah, after twenty years together,

1015
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: a natural tension had developed between where Coach Belichick and

1016
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: I were headed in our careers and where the Patriots

1017
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: were moving as a franchise. And it was kind of

1018
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: tension that could only be resolved by some kind of

1019
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: split or one of us reassessing our priorities. Right.

1020
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 4: I mean, we could see that from a mile away

1021
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: everybody saw it. Everybody saw it, even when that self

1022
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: wickershem article came out. Yeah, and they talking about the

1023
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: Jimmy g Yeah, is a matter of time. Wit Listen,

1024
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: you understand that as a quarterback, Why do you think

1025
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: why do you think Aaron Rodgers felt the way he

1026
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: did when they got Jordan Love? Why do you think

1027
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: Brett fall felt the way they did when they got

1028
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: When they got Aaron Rodgers, Wrighten was already on the wall.

1029
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 4: He understood that, ready understood that. That's why he had

1030
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 4: to go upstairs and go to the higher up and ask, listen,

1031
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 4: I don't want this over my back, I don't want

1032
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 4: this over my shoulder. This and I'm not comparing the situation,

1033
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: but as a competitor, you, Brady, you shouldn't be worried

1034
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: about nothing that's coming in there at all because of

1035
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: the decisions that that that Bill Belichick wanted to make.

1036
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: As far as moving on, he was supposed to be

1037
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: your predecessor of my da Am I using predecessor in

1038
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 4: the right context?

1039
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: No, damn.

1040
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: Predecessor. Mean he proceeded full Oh my bad. He came

1041
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: after what word I'm for you?

1042
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: Whaty g Yeah.

1043
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: He's his parent.

1044
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: Okay, my bad, my bad, Hey, my bad.

1045
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: Check.

1046
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm using big I'm using words. I don't even know

1047
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: what they mean.

1048
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: It sounded good though, it did.

1049
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: Hey anyway, you know the competitor to him, understanding that

1050
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 4: you you're on the tail and you on the back

1051
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: end obviously is listen.

1052
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 2: I want to be able to play freely. I want

1053
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: my mind free.

1054
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: I want to I don't want to be out here

1055
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 4: being hesitant, being gun shy, knowing that if I mess up,

1056
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: y'all gonna y'all, y'all gonna start the whole. You know,

1057
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 4: it's only a matter of time for they start the

1058
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: rumors and the chance we want Jimmy g and all

1059
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 4: that stuff. So I understand that I want him gone.

1060
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: I don't even want him here. And I know that

1061
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 4: was Robert craft decision.

1062
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: I know it was.

1063
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: What happened was.

1064
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: Is that if you study the if you study the

1065
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, Yeah, for the most part, after ten years,

1066
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: Coach Walsh, you look at Ronnie, you look at Roger Craig,

1067
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: you look at a lot.

1068
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: Of the guys. Only they start, and so you start,

1069
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 2: you move off a guy.

1070
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: The thought process was, O Joe, Yes, you move off

1071
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: a guy one year early as opposed to one year late,

1072
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick had studied the history and says, you know what,

1073
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: guys start to tape Rod and if we don't have

1074
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: that bridge, we're gonna be like the Pittsburgh Steelers until

1075
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: they got Roethlisberger from Tad Bradshaw. We're gonna be like

1076
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. We're gonna be like a lot of

1077
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: these other teams. The excuse me, the Buffalo Bills Jim

1078
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: Kelly until they got Josh Allen. So if we don't

1079
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: start a succession playing now, successor air parent, whatever you

1080
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: want to use the term, what Jimmy g was supposed

1081
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: to do, Coach Belichick says, what I've studied, what I've learned.

1082
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: If teams wait too long to find the successor or

1083
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: the air apparent, to say, a great quarterback, I don't

1084
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: want to make that mistake. I want to have a

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00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: guy in place, get him a couple of years under

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00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: his belt, push him out the door. The guy step seeing.

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: That's what he wanted. But Tom was saying, hold on, damn,

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to the super Bowl down there every other year,

1089
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: second or third year. I'm still an MVP candidate. I'm

1090
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: still going to Pro Bowls and you talk about I'm slipping.

1091
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Speaker 1: What are you watching? And when they redid Tom's contract

1092
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: and they didn't add years, they just took that bonus

1093
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: and gave it to its.

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Speaker 2: It's done.

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Speaker 1: Go back and go back and.

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Speaker 2: Look at it. I said, it's done. I said, you're

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Speaker 2: not coming back.

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00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: Remember I remember, he ain't coming back.

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Speaker 2: He's not coming back. But listen and the grip, because

1100
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Ojo, when you have success, See, as long as you

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Speaker 1: don't mind who gets the credit, you don't realize how

1103
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: successful you can. It's starting to be a push and

1104
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: pull because everybody, because we talked about all the time,

1105
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: who deserves more credit, Belichick or Brady. Belichick or Brady

1106
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: there is no way to definitively tell unless they left.

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Speaker 1: One left one. If one leaves and wins without the other,

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00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: wasn't no work.

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Speaker 2: To do there.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: Tom leaves wins the championship in his first year.

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Speaker 1: Gone, yes, sir, okay, Now, coach Belichick, now you get

1113
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: a chance to answer.

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Speaker 2: I ain't say you gotta win one the next year,

1115
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: but you gotta win. But it went the other way.

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Speaker 1: He got to the playoffs, like okay, maybe maybe he

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Speaker 1: got something, but then boom boom, he stepped off a cliff.

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Speaker 1: Tom still played at an elite lefl Sir, he won

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00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, he got to the playoffs every year.

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Speaker 1: There you have it. The reason why the Patriots one

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Speaker 1: was because of one two, not the only reason.

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: But now people was willing to give him more than

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Speaker 2: the credit.

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Speaker 4: And also you have to understand when when one two leads,

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Speaker 4: when he leaves out, leave New England. In order for

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Speaker 4: Bill Patriots Robert Craft that still has that continued success,

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00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 4: you got to have the air parent at the most

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00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 4: important position on the field that touches the ball every play.

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: You got to have one of those on You have

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00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: to have one of those to compete.

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00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: You got to. Yes, those some big shoes you got

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Speaker 2: to feel. But it's just a boy.

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Speaker 4: That's a tall task, especially about filling the shoes of

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Speaker 4: the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the thing was that I'm concerned about is

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Speaker 1: that Coach Belichick had an up close and personal look

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01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: at Tom and he know how motivated he was by

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01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: the slightest of slight. Oh yeah, you put the biggest

1139
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: slight in on the world on this man. It wasn't

1140
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Speaker 1: that he was drafted into the sixth round. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: that he had to start the backup. Even after the

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: greatenss in which he had displayed for you for twenty years,

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Speaker 1: you was willing.

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Speaker 2: To push him out. Can you imagine, O Joe.

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01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: Twenty years of excellence, six super Bowls, all those appearances,

1146
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: nine appearances, and say, you know what, we appreciate your services,

1147
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: but we think the guy that we got behind just better.

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01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: So what do you think that was going to do

1149
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: for Brady? If you think he was motivated by not

1150
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: being the first quarterback taken or one of the middle

1151
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks taken. He was taken in the sixth round one

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Speaker 1: ninety nine. You just put the biggest You just put

1153
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: the biggest target on your back. That's a goment.

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Speaker 4: The volume