Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to Episodes sixty of The Bobby Cast
Speaker 1: and with Kip Moore. Today. God see you tube here
Speaker 1: showing up here today. Can you talk about what you're
Speaker 1: doing today? Yeah? I was doing this thing with um
Speaker 1: with Chase Elly when we filmed last week where I
Speaker 1: was on the on the track with him in Michigan,
Speaker 1: and it's, Uh, they've picked some athletes where they're kind
Speaker 1: of asking how do they get ready for a race?
Speaker 1: What music they listened to? And he listens to my music,
Speaker 1: So it's that's pretty cool. It was cool man, Um,
Speaker 1: you know I read in the Chase It's funny. I
Speaker 1: met him probably a year and a half ago. Drake
Speaker 1: White and I were playing a show and he was
Speaker 1: kind of he was announcing both of us, and so
Speaker 1: we got to hang then. I got to know him then,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that, you know, he was a
Speaker 1: fan of the music back then, so we talked about
Speaker 1: it back then, and uh, it was neat man, just
Speaker 1: seeing his whole world, because I can admit that I'm
Speaker 1: not like I didn't grow up with NASCAR. Really, I've
Speaker 1: seen races it like you have, but I don't know
Speaker 1: the detail of it. So him bringing me, you know,
Speaker 1: in the garage, showing how they build the cars up,
Speaker 1: tear him down off after almost every race, all the
Speaker 1: aerodynamics that go into it. And then and then it
Speaker 1: was kind of like me picking his brain on the
Speaker 1: way he likes to. You know, you would think a
Speaker 1: NASCAR driver I would want to listen to like really
Speaker 1: pumped up music, but he's like, I like to get
Speaker 1: as calm as I possibly can because the race is
Speaker 1: so long, and it helps me kind of settle in
Speaker 1: and know and then it's gonna be you know, he
Speaker 1: likes really chilled out music before he gets in the car.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing. Who who's coming to you before
Speaker 1: and say hey, Which was surprising to you, is that man,
Speaker 1: I really love your music. Where you're like, wow, that's cool,
Speaker 1: Like you like my music? Um man, I can't think
Speaker 1: of the top of my head right now. I know
Speaker 1: there's been a few of those cases where any other artists,
Speaker 1: even in town, that it will call you be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I just heard the song yours and it's fantastic. Um.
Speaker 1: Jared Johnston, I'm such a fan of what the collect
Speaker 1: three do uh so much, and Jared and I are
Speaker 1: we've become pretty good buddies. But I can remember when
Speaker 1: the first time he heard that was us. He's like,
Speaker 1: if you don't put this song out, I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: up with your house and bite you tomorrow. So I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just he was a big fan of that, and
Speaker 1: then we ended up touring together after that, so, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I didn't know that. You know, Jared was
Speaker 1: around listening to music, So you know, it's it's cool, man,
Speaker 1: when other people that you respect respect what you do.
Speaker 1: You're an interesting guy. And I think in the past
Speaker 1: six months so we probably got to know each other
Speaker 1: better than we have in the past three and a
Speaker 1: half years before that. But we were talking. We're you
Speaker 1: and I are up in a room at our management office.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Bob Dylan. Yeah, and you were talking
Speaker 1: and you were like, you know, I still and I
Speaker 1: was listening to you because listen. I like to listen.
Speaker 1: And you and you were talking and you're talking about
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, and you were talking about I used to
Speaker 1: study Bob Dylan lyrics, and I was like, look at
Speaker 1: this guy. Another layer of the onion. They kept more
Speaker 1: onion I did. Man, you know, I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: I feel like dealing somewhat kind of saved me from myself.
Speaker 1: I can be um, I feel like I'm I'm really
Speaker 1: coming out of that, but I UM, I can battle
Speaker 1: a lot of my own demons pretty heavily. And at
Speaker 1: the time when I really discovered dealing, I mean, my
Speaker 1: dad played him something growing up. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you're when you're fourteen and fifteen, you can't comprehend what
Speaker 1: dealing singing about, nor can you relate to it. You
Speaker 1: can enjoy the music and the melody, which I did
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing with with Seeger and Springsteen,
Speaker 1: but I can't relate to but Bob Seeger against the
Speaker 1: Wind when I'm fourteen, you know. But um, the more
Speaker 1: you know, I left home when I was like seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I went like seven hours away to go play school,
Speaker 1: but you know, go to basket play basketball away from school,
Speaker 1: and and then I've been traveling ever since and just
Speaker 1: living life and diving into stuff wide open, and I've
Speaker 1: been on my own taking care of myself, and I
Speaker 1: can remember living and the biggest dump the last time
Speaker 1: I went recently to dry By the place, and I
Speaker 1: had yellow tape around the whole place. I guess, I
Speaker 1: guess something like that I went down, but man, it
Speaker 1: was awful. It was It was awful, man. And uh,
Speaker 1: just that feeling of which I'm sure you've had, that
Speaker 1: where looking around at all your friends kind of on
Speaker 1: the hamster wheel of life that sometimes I admire that
Speaker 1: I wish I could, you know, be that way. The
Speaker 1: people that just you know, they'll go work for the
Speaker 1: dad's insturance company or whatever, and you know they'll make
Speaker 1: a good living. The you know plant roots, you know
Speaker 1: plant roots have a wife and kids and and go
Speaker 1: through that whole kind of structure that we're all kind
Speaker 1: of programmed to due at a young age. And here
Speaker 1: I was living in a complete ship hole. Am I
Speaker 1: allowed to stay there on this just feeling like the
Speaker 1: biggest low life. But at the same time I had
Speaker 1: that exciting feeling every morning I woke up that anything
Speaker 1: could happen, where I felt like everybod else they knew
Speaker 1: exactly what the day was gonna be and know what
Speaker 1: was gonna be like when they came home. There was
Speaker 1: an excitement of just feeling like and he could light
Speaker 1: and constrike them aorrow. And I think that when I
Speaker 1: really dovee into dealing and around seven, I mean I
Speaker 1: would I would spend I get off work and I'd
Speaker 1: write from from five to twelve o'clock at night, and
Speaker 1: then I would lay on the floor. I've always liked
Speaker 1: to lay on the floor. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I had a record player and I would listen to
Speaker 1: all the old Dealing records told three or four o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'd write. I'd write out his lyrics.
Speaker 1: I try to understand the way he was using his
Speaker 1: metaphors and everything and the playoff of words. He was
Speaker 1: the best to playoff of words. And I was just
Speaker 1: blown away by his music. I was so well. It
Speaker 1: was such an inspiring time for me. And I felt
Speaker 1: like I really related to a lot of what Dealing
Speaker 1: was saying a lot of music, and I feel like
Speaker 1: I've always had that that passionate spirit about me, and
Speaker 1: I looked at things in an innocent kind of way,
Speaker 1: which a lot of his music was. There was there
Speaker 1: was such an innocence to it. There's that I have
Speaker 1: a lot of onion. There's a lot of onion to
Speaker 1: talk about here. What do you There's also the part
Speaker 1: that I found it struck me is that you had
Speaker 1: a couple of hits and you win't got an apartment,
Speaker 1: your first decently nice place to live. It was my
Speaker 1: first place. It was decent, but it wasn't good for
Speaker 1: your soul, so you had to move out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: felt like I found myself all of a sudden. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like I thrive on miserable misery in a
Speaker 1: weird way. But I found myself comfortable for the first
Speaker 1: time in my life. Where I was coming home, I
Speaker 1: was watching TV, I was laying on the couch and
Speaker 1: eating good food and and and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was I was losing a little
Speaker 1: bit of that inspiration in that drive, that kind of
Speaker 1: so I called Brett, who was my publisher, Brett James,
Speaker 1: who's written a million hits, and he Brett had bought
Speaker 1: this old house was building there like mid eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: It's one of the last remaining ones down there Music
Speaker 1: Road where they're building all this stuff around behind Losers.
Speaker 1: That that one old building with the black iron gate,
Speaker 1: and it's the spooky, ist erious dark. Everything about that
Speaker 1: place is not where you want to live. But it's
Speaker 1: great for writing. And I've written almost the entire up
Speaker 1: all night record in that house and there were there's
Speaker 1: a room upstairs. It's just this it's it's awful. Man,
Speaker 1: that's a really tiny little box. Man, it's a lot
Speaker 1: smaller than this room. And I called him and said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I want to move into that room and I want
Speaker 1: to write my next record in there, you know, in
Speaker 1: the in in the house again, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I moved all my stuff into that room, was crammed
Speaker 1: in there, and I was on I slept on a
Speaker 1: on a twin bed for about for about two years.
Speaker 1: And the hot water heater didn't work, so I took
Speaker 1: cold showers every morning and that was like thirty seconds
Speaker 1: in and out. So my when I would go on
Speaker 1: the road, it was like heaven in an arena, like
Speaker 1: a shower and arena. It was like I got hot water,
Speaker 1: you know. So but I would I wrote almost the
Speaker 1: whole Wild One's record for the most part in that house.
Speaker 1: There was no furniture. There's no um, and there's a
Speaker 1: there's a couple like random like regular chairs and not
Speaker 1: chairs like this, and you've got no TVs. It's all
Speaker 1: and it's crazy haunted. I got haunted stories that would
Speaker 1: blow your mind, which finally ran me out and I
Speaker 1: got a place because it was so scary at night,
Speaker 1: so you didn't want to be comfortable. What do you
Speaker 1: think that comes from? What do you think the root
Speaker 1: of that is? Hey? Do you create better from sadness?
Speaker 1: I feel like I at that time in my life,
Speaker 1: and I've learned how to just channel a different side
Speaker 1: of me where I don't I don't I don't quite
Speaker 1: need that as much, but I still I live. I
Speaker 1: live very very moderate on purpose, like I have a
Speaker 1: tiny little house on the other side of town, and um,
Speaker 1: I don't really have any things. Um. I tried, but
Speaker 1: I felt like for me, it played a trick on
Speaker 1: my mind where I still felt like I was at
Speaker 1: the bottom where I feel like I write better out
Speaker 1: of desperation. So it you know, taking Colchwer was every
Speaker 1: morning sleeping on that twin bed, which I hated. Man.
Speaker 1: I had an old junk mattress. It was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was awful, man. Uh, But it just it played
Speaker 1: a trick on me to where I still felt like
Speaker 1: I was completely broke and trying to go after something.
Speaker 1: And I kind of learned how that that I don't
Speaker 1: need that as much now. Um, But I still like
Speaker 1: when I travel, I like to stay in hostels. Um.
Speaker 1: We just did that whole backpacking through ice and staying
Speaker 1: in the the hostels, and um, I do that when I
Speaker 1: go to MAUI sometimes Costa Rica. Um. And I'll write
Speaker 1: a lot of music when I'm out there like that,
Speaker 1: and I'll meet interesting people, and I don't you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost get uncomfortable, like I thought I'm around from
Speaker 1: in the fourth seasons, I'm uncomfortab around those people. They're fine,
Speaker 1: they're nice, they're get I get uncomfortable around that kind
Speaker 1: of setting, really fine dining and luxurious rooms. Like it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing. Man. For me, you talk about the
Speaker 1: place being haunted. We've talked about this a bit, but
Speaker 1: you're convinced, like it's not maybe it was a ghost
Speaker 1: to you, it's not maybe there's no there's no there's
Speaker 1: this is I'm probably about to get off on a
Speaker 1: weird place here. Um. For me, it could have also
Speaker 1: been I was I was not in a good headspace
Speaker 1: at all. Um. I wasn't. I wasn't a really weird
Speaker 1: I've already written like a whole second project that pretty
Speaker 1: much got shell of the label. They were like, we
Speaker 1: don't have radio stuff here. This is too edgy, this
Speaker 1: is to this, this is too and that's heartbreaking as
Speaker 1: a writer and artist, and you turn something in and
Speaker 1: I try to explain that to a lot of people
Speaker 1: sometimes too. Where my old jobs there was a beauty
Speaker 1: and just going to work, doing the job, going home
Speaker 1: kind of having that mindless feel of Okay, now I
Speaker 1: can devote this other part of my time to a
Speaker 1: girlfriend or whatever kind of thing or family, or I
Speaker 1: was present when I would leave work, and you know,
Speaker 1: this job, you're even yours, You're you're constantly on judgment
Speaker 1: for everything. I don't I wouldn't trade my job or anything,
Speaker 1: but it's your It's a constant state of judgment. And
Speaker 1: that was a hard thing to turn in something I
Speaker 1: was so passionate about, which I hope sees the life
Speaker 1: of day one day. Um, but I was in a bad,
Speaker 1: bad place. And I've always, um had a heart for God.
Speaker 1: And I'll say that openly, like I've always been really
Speaker 1: connected with God, even even when I'm not reading, even
Speaker 1: when I don't go to church, I've just always I
Speaker 1: know that God's always with me. And I've usually been
Speaker 1: pretty good about reading scripture, going to church, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just go by myself a night or going Tuesday
Speaker 1: nights or whatever. I'm sitting the back and I leave,
Speaker 1: and I stayed connected. And at that time I was
Speaker 1: really I wasn't connected at all. And it wasn't that
Speaker 1: I was out, you know, doing blow all night and
Speaker 1: stuff like. It was just I was. I was completely separate,
Speaker 1: and I was in a bad dark place. I compared
Speaker 1: to get out of bed. I felt like a lot
Speaker 1: of mornings. Um. And uh, maybe I was susceptible too,
Speaker 1: because I believe there's a ball of good and evil
Speaker 1: all the time going on around and maybe I was
Speaker 1: at that time of my life really susceptible to that
Speaker 1: entity tricking with my mind. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: can tell you the stuff that went down that house.
Speaker 1: I mean it would be, you know, clear as day.
Speaker 1: I go down and get a drink of water, and
Speaker 1: and the garbage disposal was underneath the sink. You have
Speaker 1: to flip a switch, turn it on, and I would
Speaker 1: be walking off on that thing with bang cut back off.
Speaker 1: I turned around, I looked and all the hairs be
Speaker 1: up in my arm and I walked back off and
Speaker 1: would just go old house. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1: If I be like old house boy, like I would
Speaker 1: look up underneath, switch is still off? I can? I can?
Speaker 1: I got a million of those. There was a there's
Speaker 1: a pantry and it used to have a hole in
Speaker 1: the floor, and I'm the only one there, and I
Speaker 1: would at night, you know, late at night, you know,
Speaker 1: I go in, maybe get get a snack out of
Speaker 1: the pantry, and I look and the basement, the basement
Speaker 1: was the spooky's basement ever, but the light would be
Speaker 1: on underneath the pantry footboard, and I'd be like, I know,
Speaker 1: I cut that off. I know that wasn't on. I
Speaker 1: was in here last time. Cut it off. I come
Speaker 1: back this morning. Thing was on. You have to flip
Speaker 1: the switch on the turn it off. I mean a
Speaker 1: short if the if the switch is off, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get a short like it's not you know. So.
Speaker 1: But the kicker was I'd be laid in my bed
Speaker 1: and this happened about three times, and on the second
Speaker 1: time I told my manager and said, hey, to me,
Speaker 1: A favorite look from your place. And this happened as
Speaker 1: I really settled into the house and was living there,
Speaker 1: I've been writing songs there for four or five years,
Speaker 1: and people have had little stuff happened. But the minute
Speaker 1: it was like I moved in there at all, kind
Speaker 1: of started building up and it was almost like they
Speaker 1: were going like, oh, buddy, you got to dried, you
Speaker 1: got to get you know so. But I can' remember
Speaker 1: laying there in bed but for it, and it always
Speaker 1: would happen close to three o'clock. I remember laying there
Speaker 1: and that my bed and I don't know what grenades
Speaker 1: sound like. I got no clue, but it would be
Speaker 1: like us being this room and it sounds like somebody
Speaker 1: is just setting grenades off all through your house, and
Speaker 1: it would sound like five people decided on the count
Speaker 1: of three, we're gonna raise as much as hell as
Speaker 1: we can, and everything it sounded like. And I was
Speaker 1: in a tiny room and it sounded like there was
Speaker 1: a fist on every inch of the wall on all
Speaker 1: around me, just slamming and banging. And you can imagine
Speaker 1: waking up to that feeling like the fear of that
Speaker 1: first of all, feeling like somebody's break into your house.
Speaker 1: The second of all, this is a whole another bag.
Speaker 1: To the point where my bed was physically shaken, like
Speaker 1: there's like the house the foundation was almost shaken. My
Speaker 1: bed was moving, and I wake up and I would
Speaker 1: come to and it would last for three or four
Speaker 1: seconds as I had woken up, and the fear behind
Speaker 1: that man was just and I would try to just
Speaker 1: I pray and be like, I'm not gonna let this
Speaker 1: bother me. I'm good, and I eventually lay back down.
Speaker 1: And it happened about three different times. I had a
Speaker 1: broom from me to you, sweeping ten solid seconds to
Speaker 1: where I just sat up, and I mean every hair
Speaker 1: and I just kind of I know, I'm not hearing
Speaker 1: a broom beside me right now, and I lay back down.
Speaker 1: After it would stop, I lay back down and it
Speaker 1: would start right back up, and I even like sat
Speaker 1: up in my bed. I cut the lights on and
Speaker 1: I said at one point, I said, hey, look clean
Speaker 1: all you want. I said, this place, and he's cleaning.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good with you. You can clean all your home.
Speaker 1: And I lay back down. But I was scared of death,
Speaker 1: but I was trying to get myself calm. But you know,
Speaker 1: that might have been a whole another thing man that
Speaker 1: could have been I don't know Bob, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: it was it ghoest, but it could have also been
Speaker 1: what I was talking about earlier. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: still don't know what that was. So you moved, but
Speaker 1: and that hasn't happened since, no, I mean, I've barely
Speaker 1: been back in there since I used to write in
Speaker 1: there every single day, and I wrote this whole new record.
Speaker 1: I didn't write one song in there, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of gave me a sense of piece because I feel
Speaker 1: like it's the best stuff I've done. But I felt
Speaker 1: like I was confined to I love that wild One's record,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I wrote almost everything in there.
Speaker 1: But I've learned that I don't have to be living
Speaker 1: with a ghost and taking coach to write songs. You know,
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Speaker 1: I learned from you. I guess probably eight months or so,
Speaker 1: you and I met for breakfast and you were singing
Speaker 1: in the morning. I know that was a thing. I
Speaker 1: was like, why are you singing in the morning. You're
Speaker 1: like my low end. It's best for my low end.
Speaker 1: No idea that was even a thing. So explain that
Speaker 1: to me and to people who have no idea about
Speaker 1: the recording process and vocals, you know, And once again
Speaker 1: that was uh for me, that that's kind of a
Speaker 1: thing for me is and the first thing in the morning,
Speaker 1: before I've I've been talking a lot or singing because
Speaker 1: I sing like all my own harmonies on this record too,
Speaker 1: so you have to use a whole different You've got
Speaker 1: to really stretch that high end. And once you've burned
Speaker 1: that high end a whole lot, you know, you're singing
Speaker 1: for an hour straight. That low ends just kind of
Speaker 1: it's still there. I mean I was just I kind
Speaker 1: of naturally have a deeper voice, but it's the width
Speaker 1: and you can feel it on the mic, you can
Speaker 1: feel it in the control room. The width that I
Speaker 1: have in the morning is just different than I have
Speaker 1: late at night once I burned that out, And it's
Speaker 1: just that's just me just kind of learning from singing,
Speaker 1: you know, doing so many demos throughout the years and
Speaker 1: being like, man, my voice just in the morning it
Speaker 1: feels like there's a whole different width to it. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's become a psychological thing too, but I just
Speaker 1: feel I feel really strong getting the most width out
Speaker 1: of my voice in the morning. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you sing better in the shower? I wonder if legitimately
Speaker 1: great singers feel like they even and sound better in
Speaker 1: the shower. I feel like everybody sounds better, But you do,
Speaker 1: like you ever seen the shower? Go day? Because I do?
Speaker 1: And I'm not even a good singer, but you're a
Speaker 1: really good singer. Do you sing it go? I'm even
Speaker 1: better in the shower. I think I'm pretty incredible in
Speaker 1: the show. It's the reverb. Then, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a natural reverb chamber. But then, why don't we create?
Speaker 1: Why don't I go into the studios? Why am I
Speaker 1: not like singing? It's some really good studio that never
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of recordings nowadays. When you
Speaker 1: when you hear those old records, you hear Freddie Mercury,
Speaker 1: and you hear these old guys, um, those Guns and
Speaker 1: Rosary records, all this stuff. Man, they were all singing
Speaker 1: in these You listen to Zeppelin records that they're playing
Speaker 1: drums in this massive like stairwheel where it's all that verb,
Speaker 1: like it used to be tracked a lot more that way. Um,
Speaker 1: Now everybody's trying to compress and get this tight tight,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to put pads all over these walls
Speaker 1: to lock everything in where it's just really dry sound.
Speaker 1: And they like mixing that way. It's just how times
Speaker 1: have kind of changed. Um. But I like singing in
Speaker 1: the Verbie room, and I you know, I there was
Speaker 1: a there was a little bit doing this new record
Speaker 1: more than I ever have, you know, having a little
Speaker 1: bit of that natural verb in the room. And Blackbird
Speaker 1: has got like the greatest reverb chamber ever over there
Speaker 1: at that studio. But you don't really want to sing
Speaker 1: leads in there because it's just too boomy and then
Speaker 1: it just gets all washy. But backgrounds are amazing in
Speaker 1: that room. Talking about that for a second. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: So you'll sing leads in one place, but backgrounds in another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if you want to get like a big you know,
Speaker 1: big gang vocals, all that Deaf Leppard stuff that just
Speaker 1: sounds so massive on all that like Hysteria record, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'll guarantee you that was done in a
Speaker 1: massive reverb chamber. Um. And I know, like for wild
Speaker 1: ones with with lipstick and hey, when you're doing that
Speaker 1: this big haze we got around all got around one mic,
Speaker 1: all six of us and did the Big Haze just
Speaker 1: because it just kind of sounds like a swirling all
Speaker 1: around you. Where you want your that lead vocal to
Speaker 1: you know, speak right to you kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: still like having old school verb, want to leave vocal,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, you want that to be
Speaker 1: a little tighter on this new record. I'll talk about
Speaker 1: that for a second, because I think you went through
Speaker 1: this process a little different than you have before. You
Speaker 1: did a lot more of this yourself kind of then
Speaker 1: I've read the stuff, but I've heard you talk about
Speaker 1: it too. So why did you approach this record different
Speaker 1: than the last couple? Um? Because you've recorded somebody with
Speaker 1: that tell anybody right? Um? First off, you know I
Speaker 1: did the first two records with Brett James, who, Man,
Speaker 1: I I take a bullet for Brett the more. Man.
Speaker 1: I love that dude with all my heart and and
Speaker 1: we're like brothers. Um. And he's amazing. Brett's such an
Speaker 1: incredible songwriter, musician, singer, everything. UM. But I just I
Speaker 1: felt on this one. I had been writing these songs
Speaker 1: and I've been living with them so much, and we
Speaker 1: we were great at co producing records together, but we
Speaker 1: were we butt heads a lot. We would and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I hear one party here another part, and
Speaker 1: and um I felt like sometimes that took a little
Speaker 1: bit of a strain on our friendship a little bit.
Speaker 1: Um Brett was one of the best friends I've ever had. Um,
Speaker 1: and I just felt like going into this one, as
Speaker 1: far as that part goes, I've been living with these
Speaker 1: songs so much. I've already been you know, I'll lay
Speaker 1: in my bunk and I'll after I come with the guitar,
Speaker 1: riffer or whatever that's kind of inspired me on that day,
Speaker 1: I'll sing all the parts that I'm hearing, like around that, like,
Speaker 1: I'll just start building the track vocally. Ill build a
Speaker 1: whole track just singing wise, where I'm singing the beat
Speaker 1: and then I'm layering like well, okay, this is what
Speaker 1: the baseline is gonna do. And I'll do all that,
Speaker 1: and I'll sing, Okay, this guitar part is gonna do
Speaker 1: this on the second bar right here on on the
Speaker 1: four chord, and I'll kind of sing all these different
Speaker 1: layers and I had it like platonics, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was one of those things where I knew
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted. I knew exactly how I wanted
Speaker 1: to sound. Um So when I went in, I didn't
Speaker 1: want anybody giving me pushback on I knew what I wanted,
Speaker 1: and I knew I wanted to go in there and
Speaker 1: sing a little bit. Um you know. I wanted to
Speaker 1: do some funky stuff that I hadn't done before. And
Speaker 1: I believe so much in the melodies of this record.
Speaker 1: Um but I did. I kind of why I on't
Speaker 1: had only been out for a year. It really wasn't
Speaker 1: time to As far as the country world goes, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's still that whole cycle of you make a
Speaker 1: record every two or three years, which drives me crazy,
Speaker 1: drives me crazy, drives me crazy. Um so, and I'm
Speaker 1: always righting. But I kind of gathered this in full
Speaker 1: of songs that I believed in a whole lot. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is a really cool thing I've
Speaker 1: been kind of creating. Um So I went in and uh,
Speaker 1: I just recorded like four or five of them, and
Speaker 1: I went in like as a you know, in like
Speaker 1: a record style, like I'm you know, approaching it like
Speaker 1: a record. And they came back and I was just
Speaker 1: I was so happy with him, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of went to see Brian right now in our red
Speaker 1: and I said, man, I just I want you to
Speaker 1: hear what I've been doing. You tell me what you think.
Speaker 1: I've been recording some sides, and I played him for me.
Speaker 1: He called me back and he was just kind of
Speaker 1: flipping over and he was like, I gotta go place
Speaker 1: for the label right now. I said, all right. So
Speaker 1: the next thing I know, I'm getting a call a
Speaker 1: few days later and he's like, you gotta go in
Speaker 1: and make a record. This is great, we gotta get
Speaker 1: this stuff now. So for the next eight or nine months,
Speaker 1: that's all I did. Every time I got the road,
Speaker 1: I was recording right and trying to finish that record
Speaker 1: over the last year. So you do four or five songs,
Speaker 1: But then when you know you're doing a record, does
Speaker 1: that change? How are your right adding songs? Because at
Speaker 1: first it feels like you're writing for you, you're creating
Speaker 1: for you, you don't know where it's gonna go. Now
Speaker 1: you have a direction where you know where it's going
Speaker 1: to go. Does that change the creative process in your head?
Speaker 1: I think before it might have um, but I think
Speaker 1: I was in such a confident headspace where I was
Speaker 1: going and I knew what I wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: I knew what I wanted to say that Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I was more just kind of like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go, I'm ready to do this, and
Speaker 1: and I recorded only thirteen are gonna make the record?
Speaker 1: And I probably wrote thirty for this project, and uh
Speaker 1: recorded twenty one of them. Because you just end up
Speaker 1: getting so close to the songs and you're like okay,
Speaker 1: and then a lot of times you're going in to
Speaker 1: track one and that's when you realize, all right, this
Speaker 1: song is not quite as good as I thought. And
Speaker 1: what tracking means is you have a band played this
Speaker 1: song like yeah, like to come in you made sing
Speaker 1: to scratch over the top of it. Um. But I
Speaker 1: mean like in tracking, a lot of the tracking idea,
Speaker 1: like a lot of this record was just me and
Speaker 1: David Garcia in his house and that was a very
Speaker 1: different process for me too. Well, we just played all
Speaker 1: the instruments and we just built it from the ground
Speaker 1: up in his house. Um. I did a track with
Speaker 1: the band on about sev it um and um, you
Speaker 1: know I would I would play the instruments on that too,
Speaker 1: and and you know, get all the music now first,
Speaker 1: and then I do the vocals after guitar. Man was
Speaker 1: the only one where that's the main one. I can't
Speaker 1: wait through the here. It was all on one take,
Speaker 1: and it happened really spontaneous where we had the full
Speaker 1: band playing it, and when the take was over, it
Speaker 1: never felt right to me. We'd probably played it five
Speaker 1: or six times as a full band, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: something's just not speaking right to me on this song.
Speaker 1: And we all took a break to step away from it,
Speaker 1: and uh, Tom Bukavac and Dave Cohen, we're just kind
Speaker 1: of sitting there messing with each other, just the organ
Speaker 1: and one guitar. And I told I told him as
Speaker 1: I acted like, I was just like, hey, start over,
Speaker 1: like you're playing that from the top, just kind of
Speaker 1: mess around with each other. And I hit record without
Speaker 1: him even really knowing it, and I walked into the
Speaker 1: vocal booth and singing it from the top down in
Speaker 1: one take. And so that whole take that you hear
Speaker 1: on the record is just all of us in one take.
Speaker 1: That's so that's gonna be that end up being the
Speaker 1: song you know, and I think it's you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's the most powerful track on the record. So
Speaker 1: um yeah, and so that some really cool organic stuff
Speaker 1: happened like that on this record. And then that's not
Speaker 1: gonna make it. You said you gotta cut songs. No,
Speaker 1: I've already. I've got the records done done, I got
Speaker 1: thirteen we I just got my master copy yesterday. So
Speaker 1: that's exciting, right man. It's do you like hearing? You
Speaker 1: like hearing yourself back? Yeah, when you've worked that hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you love hearing. Like, Uh, I get weird
Speaker 1: if I go to a gym or something and they
Speaker 1: assume just because I played country music, Oh get more
Speaker 1: than here. Let's put on a country playlist that he's
Speaker 1: you know what, I feel weird doing that field was
Speaker 1: are So you say you're going somewhere, sometimes they'll turn
Speaker 1: you one yea. I guess I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: an asshole, you know I do. I'm like, I'm a
Speaker 1: freaking asshole in the gym right now. The players turn
Speaker 1: on country music, you know, like I'll get picked up,
Speaker 1: you know, you get picked up from a venue and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, let's turn on the country station. And
Speaker 1: they turn and I'm like, hey, country music is not
Speaker 1: the only thing I listened to. I played country music.
Speaker 1: But but uh, but yeah, man, I mean like getting
Speaker 1: back that master copy, um and and riding around and
Speaker 1: here and what you've worked at so hard and hear
Speaker 1: it back and it's came out even better than you hope.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the and that's the and that's the
Speaker 1: part where I wouldn't trade this job for nothing. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like that feeling I'm one of the few people
Speaker 1: on this planet. It gets to have that exhilarating feeling man,
Speaker 1: of just like you, you stepped out, you put yourself
Speaker 1: for exposure, to be completely bashed, man, and just having
Speaker 1: that excitement of like this might be this might be amazing,
Speaker 1: and this might be lightning in a bottle. That's the
Speaker 1: cool thing. It might tank. But when when I I
Speaker 1: was telling some of this other day, like I have
Speaker 1: such a sense of piece about me now because it's
Speaker 1: like not that I didn't with what I was because
Speaker 1: I made the record I wanted to make, but this one,
Speaker 1: more than any project, I did the exact songs I
Speaker 1: wanted to There was no outside influence. I recorded them
Speaker 1: exactly like I wanted to. The sounds were exactly like
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I did this record just like I
Speaker 1: had it in my head, and I followed through with it,
Speaker 1: and I stuck to my guns, and I'm okay, if
Speaker 1: it feels like I can lay my head on my
Speaker 1: pillow at night going, I did it exactly how I
Speaker 1: wanted to. So if that, if that doesn't work, I
Speaker 1: can sleep. I can live with that. What I can't
Speaker 1: live with is you know. I mean, I even had
Speaker 1: people when I was I wasn't working at radio, you know,
Speaker 1: And I understand it from the label side, they won't
Speaker 1: you know, they've seen this artists that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden had this break out record that Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make some money off. It's all it's all about money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's a business like
Speaker 1: you know, so we want to keep this train going.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you got a couple
Speaker 1: of slip ups and it was like when they shelf
Speaker 1: that next record, it was like everybody started singing me songs.
Speaker 1: And man, I hated him, but I was smart enough
Speaker 1: to hear him and go, that's a hit song. It's
Speaker 1: a hit song. I know it's a hit. I could
Speaker 1: sing this, let's be a hit the more, but I couldn't.
Speaker 1: First off, I couldn't stand on stage and sing that
Speaker 1: every night, but I don't believe it. Second of all,
Speaker 1: if it didn't work, that's when I'm really going to
Speaker 1: freaking spiral downward, like I can't. I can't lay my
Speaker 1: head on my pillow at night. So for me, it
Speaker 1: was like I politely, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, but
Speaker 1: I can rememory. I wrote one of the people that
Speaker 1: labeled I'm really close with, and he just, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what his reaction to it was. I
Speaker 1: never got a response, but I been sent like seven
Speaker 1: or eight songs. You know, we all thinking you should
Speaker 1: cut one of these for your next single, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: And I said, look, guys, I appreciate y'all trying to
Speaker 1: help me. I understand where your heart's at. I know
Speaker 1: that y'all want the best for this, and I want
Speaker 1: the best for this whole thing. But if I said
Speaker 1: I'll quit playing music, I'll never touch a guitar again.
Speaker 1: If I have to recording of these songs, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: Sin And that's what I sent and so nobody ever
Speaker 1: wrote back to me. And that's and that's when I
Speaker 1: and after that, you know, I was still in the
Speaker 1: funk for a while, but it was it was a
Speaker 1: couple of months after that when I really kind of
Speaker 1: picked myself back up and started writing Slow Heart. What
Speaker 1: got you out of that? What made you pick yourself
Speaker 1: back up? I think there's a lot of things. I
Speaker 1: think that for me, a big thing kind of coming back. Um,
Speaker 1: whenever I'm connected to my faith, whenever I'm just spending
Speaker 1: time in that, I'm in a lot more peace. And
Speaker 1: it's the crazy thing about that is I know that
Speaker 1: about myself, yet I'll still push it aside. I'll push
Speaker 1: it aside for months sometimes and then I'll get back
Speaker 1: into it, um, And that's when I'm at the most piece.
Speaker 1: I think there was a combination of that. I think
Speaker 1: that a big thing happened to um Dave. You know,
Speaker 1: and I've already written probably half of it when this happened,
Speaker 1: but you know, there's a whole another half. I was
Speaker 1: Dave Lapsley, who's you know, one of the closest people
Speaker 1: to me in my life was my guitar player. Since
Speaker 1: the day that I moved here. I mean, he believed
Speaker 1: in me from day one, and he was playing with
Speaker 1: me for twelve or thirteen years, and he was I
Speaker 1: mean he was. We were. We were thick as thieves,
Speaker 1: and I just shared everything with Dave and he went
Speaker 1: on all the radio tour stuff and it was just
Speaker 1: me and him, and you know the bond you create
Speaker 1: doing that, trying to get somewhere together. Um, and even
Speaker 1: before I had a record deal, me and him, we're
Speaker 1: touring out of my jeep for like three years. See
Speaker 1: A believed in me a long time ago, and were
Speaker 1: getting any gigs every weekend. I was gone opening for
Speaker 1: Trace or Billy or whatever. But you know the game,
Speaker 1: and there was no money in it. So it's just
Speaker 1: me and him and a jeep not guaranteed a dime
Speaker 1: and having a hustle, me selling one T shirt and
Speaker 1: a demo that I wasn't supposed to sail back there
Speaker 1: and like two or three songs and the people still
Speaker 1: show up with those old demos and Um and him,
Speaker 1: you know, I I tell him to go hustle and
Speaker 1: go make friends and find us a place to crash tonight,
Speaker 1: and he'd finds he we we crashed on fans floors
Speaker 1: for two or three years every single show, after every show,
Speaker 1: and I'd sell the merch and uh so I say
Speaker 1: all that because he was like a brother to me.
Speaker 1: And um, back in like December, you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of our tour, he said, you know, and he'd
Speaker 1: been obviously contemplatings for a while, but his wife got
Speaker 1: offered this really huge job for a for Apple, and um,
Speaker 1: they had to move to Minneapolis, and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: she she really wants this job. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of money, and um, you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it. You know. That was like the biggest blow
Speaker 1: for me. It was such a blow because when you
Speaker 1: go through all of that and at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it all a lot of times comes down
Speaker 1: the money. Had we been a big successful band by
Speaker 1: the end, which we're you know in that stage of
Speaker 1: we're successful, but you're not making the kind of money
Speaker 1: where the worries like that go away with family and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And he's got a family
Speaker 1: to take care of. And I felt so like responsible
Speaker 1: for that, and it was just it was the most
Speaker 1: it was. It was heartache for me. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I shed tears of the whole thing, because I always
Speaker 1: had this dream of us getting to this mountaintop together
Speaker 1: and me and him standing on that and just being like, man,
Speaker 1: look who we did, you know? And that's with all
Speaker 1: my band, but you know he was with me first. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's when I kind of went away. I went
Speaker 1: out and surf for a month, and and MAUI then
Speaker 1: surf for a month Coasta Rican and when the Iceland,
Speaker 1: and during all that time, man, I just I just
Speaker 1: finally started letting go of all that burden of that
Speaker 1: man and just kind of I was carrying all that
Speaker 1: weight even before that, feeling like you gotta keep the
Speaker 1: whole train movement, which I'm sure you do. Sometimes you've
Speaker 1: got people now that are employed because of the success
Speaker 1: of your show, and you feel that responsibility of and
Speaker 1: these people are counting on me to keep being creative
Speaker 1: and keep this thing going, and you feel like a
Speaker 1: failure when your songs aren't working. And even though our
Speaker 1: shows we're doubling and tripling in size, it was like
Speaker 1: everybody else's viewed it as it was a failure because
Speaker 1: people in Nashville are in such a bubble where you
Speaker 1: think it's all about you know, it's just radio, and
Speaker 1: if you're not working at radio, then well he must
Speaker 1: not be working. Well, let's push him to the side
Speaker 1: and let's focus on this guy because he's got some
Speaker 1: hits going on over here. And I felt all that,
Speaker 1: you know, um so I think it was a combination
Speaker 1: of all that. And then as I I got out
Speaker 1: there and I spent some time in prayer and I
Speaker 1: was surfing, I was finding that piece, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of I just came out on a different side,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, if ever supposed to happen,
Speaker 1: when he's gonna happen, this is all divine playing however
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. And all I can do is
Speaker 1: wake up and be happy that I've been blessed with
Speaker 1: this amazing life that I fought so hard to have.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how long it's gonna last. You
Speaker 1: don't know how long your thing's gonna last. It was
Speaker 1: just a sense of peace and that after I really
Speaker 1: sat down and think about it, it's not my fault,
Speaker 1: you know that the thing with Dave didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and letting go of all that garbage, and man, when
Speaker 1: I came out on the other side, on the other side, man,
Speaker 1: that the music I started showing. The music, the melodies
Speaker 1: started showing in this sense of even the song like
Speaker 1: Bittersweet Company, that's such a heart wrenching lyric. It was
Speaker 1: like these amazing happy melodies on top of which was
Speaker 1: the Jukes of Motown, which was I love about Motown.
Speaker 1: But um, just when you hear this record, man, you
Speaker 1: can sense that there's a better place mentally that I
Speaker 1: got to then. As much as I love while one
Speaker 1: was up where I was when I created Wild Ones.
Speaker 1: You talk about a mountaintop, what is your mountain top?
Speaker 1: I don't think And that's another thing Bobby. For me,
Speaker 1: for so long it was happiness was man, when we're
Speaker 1: finally headlining that big arena and we're finally playing that stadium,
Speaker 1: and and I just I see it completely different now,
Speaker 1: you know. Some other day was asked me, you know,
Speaker 1: what are your goals for two thou eighteen, And when
Speaker 1: I said I don't have any, they looked at me
Speaker 1: like I was crazy, And I was like, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that I'm not ambitious, doesn't mean that I don't want
Speaker 1: to be the you know, be great at what I do.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that I still don't want to sell out
Speaker 1: stadiums and do that whole thing. But my my goal
Speaker 1: is to cantinue to make music and hopefully people show
Speaker 1: up and want to sing it, you know, and and
Speaker 1: to be on the stage with my best friends play
Speaker 1: and just I hope to that's my goal. That's my Now,
Speaker 1: I'm I find myself being so much more present, living
Speaker 1: in the moment as far as this year's gone with shows.
Speaker 1: It's like there's that there's a happiness because I'm I
Speaker 1: was always thinking about, oh god it, well, this has happening.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta try to fix this. Now we're
Speaker 1: not gonna get to this next spot. And I was
Speaker 1: always thinking ahead, which caused me to be a complete
Speaker 1: wreck is a human being, um, And now it's and
Speaker 1: I still have that thing of I'm always strategically, Okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta focus on this and we gotta you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still that guy, but I'm letting go of
Speaker 1: the stuff that I can't control and I'm enjoying the
Speaker 1: moments that are meant to be enjoyed. So I think
Speaker 1: that's been the biggest change for me. And I don't
Speaker 1: see a mountaintop anymore. It's it's man, that'd be awesome
Speaker 1: if we were able to play that stadium, But it's
Speaker 1: a badass if we're headline in the theater tomorrow right too,
Speaker 1: And we got three thousand people singing along like so um,
Speaker 1: My mindsets changed in that sense for sure. Talk about
Speaker 1: your live shows for a second, because you put a
Speaker 1: lot of work. I mean, you take the lot shows seriously,
Speaker 1: you pay, have a lot of tension to the crowding,
Speaker 1: probably more than you should. Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: I think to your detriment sometimes for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that I'm learning. I've gotten better
Speaker 1: at that, man, Like I'm I'm starting to really, you know,
Speaker 1: even after our conversation, you know, I thought about the
Speaker 1: Steve Martin thing that you were telling me about last time.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a couple of shows here recently,
Speaker 1: man was I mean it was just insanity, insanity the shows.
Speaker 1: And I saw a couple of despondent faces that usually
Speaker 1: would have I would have been like, sure, why can't
Speaker 1: why why are they enjoying themselves? They might be enjoying
Speaker 1: the seals, they enjoying the selves in a different way,
Speaker 1: But I was quickly able to be like, let's keep
Speaker 1: playing like I you know, just and it was it
Speaker 1: felt good to be that way. Um, but I do man,
Speaker 1: I take I take it serious. I've never missed the
Speaker 1: sound check my whole career. I've never missed a sound check. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm super I'm I'm super locked in when the show's
Speaker 1: even going on while I'm entertaining, and the next day
Speaker 1: I'll be like, hey, you know, brod are you you
Speaker 1: You didn't? You didn't you didn't play the five chord
Speaker 1: on the on the fourth bar of the course last night,
Speaker 1: the second course, you know whatever. You look at me
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah I did. I'm like, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1: You missed it. You missed a note and you were
Speaker 1: flat on the bend on the opening your lipstick. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah you were uh you know, Dusty played the I'll
Speaker 1: record all the shows and we played the board back
Speaker 1: and well listen, I'll be right there and I'll go
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I got you. And then he'll
Speaker 1: be like were you paying attention to that? And I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: I'm super hyper focused with stuff like that, because man,
Speaker 1: I just I think about being a great band. The
Speaker 1: bands and inspired me. Man, I just how amazingly locked
Speaker 1: in they were on stage. And I also think about
Speaker 1: so many of these people. That's why I never I've
Speaker 1: seen through strep throat a million times I've gotten early
Speaker 1: on my career, I was always sick from all the travel,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sleeping. I was all is sick. You know.
Speaker 1: I won't canceled shows. I'm sure I'll probably they will
Speaker 1: come a time when I just physically can't do them
Speaker 1: one day. But I try to sing through everything. M I.
Speaker 1: These people, you know, some of them are making minimum
Speaker 1: ways and they've been saving up for this show. They've
Speaker 1: been saving for months and looking forward to this show.
Speaker 1: And I can't just go out and go through the motions. Man,
Speaker 1: I gotta give them everything we got. And that's the
Speaker 1: only reason that during that law, because radio is so
Speaker 1: huge for any artists. Any artist's line when they say
Speaker 1: they don't want to be played on the radio and
Speaker 1: something all the big guns, Tom Petty Merle Haggard was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just dying for one more hit, you know, towards anybody.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody wants to be heard by the masses,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean that's you want
Speaker 1: your songs to be heard, doesn't mean that you're setting
Speaker 1: out if you get heard by the masses. That's there's
Speaker 1: been so many of our favorite songs we've sing along
Speaker 1: with our whole life. They weren't sell out songs. They
Speaker 1: were just amazing songs. And you're always willing to write
Speaker 1: that amazing song like a song like guitar Man, and
Speaker 1: you're hoping that it gets heard by your fan base, yes,
Speaker 1: but you're hoping that it gets heard by millions of
Speaker 1: others that never had a chance to hear your music.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a special thing. Righting down the road
Speaker 1: and hearing your song on the radio. Man's that's a
Speaker 1: powerful thing. Um. So I can't remember what the hell
Speaker 1: we were talking about. Oh yeah. So for me, it's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I just look at it like
Speaker 1: the way we poured ourselves and the way we were
Speaker 1: so attended to detail and trying to give every ounce
Speaker 1: of ourselves every night during those you know, up until
Speaker 1: kind of running for you, but more with this song
Speaker 1: is kind of this song is kind of the first
Speaker 1: time that I'm really having some momentum since Pretty Girl.
Speaker 1: But our fan base is tripled in size through this
Speaker 1: lull where a lot of people the minute that radio
Speaker 1: is gone, artists is dead in the water. And that's
Speaker 1: just the fact. Um. But we I think because we've
Speaker 1: prided ourselves so much on that live show and staying
Speaker 1: authentic to ourselves that we've we've been able to thrive
Speaker 1: during this downtime. Let me play this new song here,
Speaker 1: so right now when you hear this, you can hear
Speaker 1: this in a year from now, and this won't be
Speaker 1: the new song, but right now more girls like you
Speaker 1: got mad? And what part of the process did you
Speaker 1: record this song? I recorded this, uh back in December,
Speaker 1: early December. Um, that was that was Josh Miller, um
Speaker 1: singing a piece of that course a line from that course, Um,
Speaker 1: he said. Uh. All he had was want to reach
Speaker 1: for the bright of stuff, set it on a ring,
Speaker 1: put it on your hand. That was kind of all
Speaker 1: we had. And then it was like we had the melody,
Speaker 1: but that was on the only line. And then I
Speaker 1: just kind of went straight into that and then I
Speaker 1: started playing that acoustic riff that you're here in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and then the melody I immediately was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't living like go out old Mustang Montana Fields,
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of singing about my life.
Speaker 1: And we didn't quite know where the song was going
Speaker 1: at that time, but I could tell by the line
Speaker 1: he said, you know I want to read for the
Speaker 1: body star and sell in the ring. Well, all right,
Speaker 1: well we're talking about, you know, finding that right person.
Speaker 1: So then it was me talking about my life in
Speaker 1: that opening verse, and uh, I've been living like a
Speaker 1: wild on the monton. The fields mattered me a bad
Speaker 1: irritation and never stopped these wheels. And that was just
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I might have heard the
Speaker 1: grumbles of different things about the way I live or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it was like, you know, I just keep going
Speaker 1: on about it. But I was trying to find a way,
Speaker 1: in an interesting way to get to what he was saying.
Speaker 1: And then we just we started flying with that, me
Speaker 1: and Josh and David Garcia and Steven Lee Olsen. May
Speaker 1: I listen to that song in the first line again,
Speaker 1: I've been living like a wild old Mustang out of
Speaker 1: Montana Fields might earn me a bad reputation. That never
Speaker 1: stopped these weeks from rolling and going too far, from
Speaker 1: from going and rolling too far, running and gunning a
Speaker 1: little too hard, so unrained, so untamed. I was just
Speaker 1: picturing and I had the image in my head I
Speaker 1: was pictured in Montana is one of my favorite places.
Speaker 1: I just I love the people of Montana so much.
Speaker 1: I love being out there. And I was just picturing
Speaker 1: this wide open range in my head that I've seen
Speaker 1: as we've passed through Montana on the bus, and picture
Speaker 1: in this wild horse that you can't quite And that
Speaker 1: was the image. And I'll ride around. Image is a
Speaker 1: whole lot. I'll get an image in my head and
Speaker 1: then I'll ride around how that pertains to my life
Speaker 1: and that So that was in my head as I
Speaker 1: sped out that first set of verses. Is that you
Speaker 1: you feel like that you like that? First? Yeah's man,
Speaker 1: I mean it's I know that I've been aloof and
Speaker 1: hard to rain in, and I know it many times.
Speaker 1: I've I've had a lot of people that I've really
Speaker 1: you know, you know, not a lot. I don't even
Speaker 1: know why. Hell, I just said a lot. I've I've
Speaker 1: gotten close to a couple of people and in my
Speaker 1: journey along this whole thing, and I know that I've
Speaker 1: I've been tough to rainy and like I know that
Speaker 1: about myself. I've been so just trying to go after
Speaker 1: this thing so hard and that it's just it's taken
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Speaker 1: about give me one second, Bobby's bathroom. All right, Ki
Speaker 1: is gonna go to the bathroom, go to my bathroom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep it. We're gonna keep rolling. So you
Speaker 1: just go for it. The rule of this is we
Speaker 1: don't stop the tape and we don't edit. So I
Speaker 1: believe this is the first time ever that anyone has
Speaker 1: had to go to the bathroom. I think Jaco and
Speaker 1: had to go, but he didn't say they held it
Speaker 1: the whole time. That's funny. So he happens in my
Speaker 1: bathroom minute ago, and he walked and he was like,
Speaker 1: I also a single man, because there's just it's just
Speaker 1: so I like temporary glasses in there because I have
Speaker 1: a bunch of um different kind of glasses, and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I get it. I get it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you're the actually the first person that's
Speaker 1: ever because I didn't mean my bathroom door with Cole
Speaker 1: here the other day my bedroom door. And my bedroom
Speaker 1: is right next to this studio, and we have a
Speaker 1: bathroom that's actually in the studio. But it's like a
Speaker 1: toilet and there's no soap, and there's like boxes of books.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a storage room with a toilet. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, keeps in my bathroom right now. And here,
Speaker 1: let's hear that little something from kit Moore. Here, let's
Speaker 1: see how about something by a truck? Here we goundress
Speaker 1: and there you go. So he's coming back. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Did they come out you guys? Yeah? Like that bathroom?
Speaker 1: Huh it is? I told you I'm a single dude,
Speaker 1: and it looks like mine. I can't I can't hate
Speaker 1: on you that. But you got a record player just
Speaker 1: like mind and there, man, I love that freaking thing.
Speaker 1: I got two of those in my house, like one
Speaker 1: upstairs and one down. What's uh? What do you let's
Speaker 1: say you go home tonight, what are you gonna put on?
Speaker 1: Right now? I have I got a Dan Vogelberg album
Speaker 1: on there right now, But I had a James Taylor
Speaker 1: on the night before. UM had an old deal dealing record. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A tough day. You tell me what song you put on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: A tough day. It's a tough day. Uh, Stolen Car
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. Man, because that song just rips your heart out,
Speaker 1: That's what it does. Song just completely And I like
Speaker 1: to a lot of people it's funny, man, Like I'll
Speaker 1: meet people who like, you know, whenever they're broken hearted
Speaker 1: or wherever they're going through a bad time. I don't
Speaker 1: want to listen to anything, you know, sad like I
Speaker 1: just I want to get my you know, I like
Speaker 1: tapping into that part of my soul. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't try to run from it. Like I like tapping
Speaker 1: into it and getting it out there from the river
Speaker 1: swowing near the little bod. It's so honest. The song
Speaker 1: is so honest, man. It's we got married and we
Speaker 1: swore we never part, but a little by little, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's he's singing sorrows him and any Lennox and
Speaker 1: and uh, I think he sings sorrow better than anybody
Speaker 1: than me. It's I love tapping into that. Man. That's
Speaker 1: interesting to say singing sorrow because when I think of
Speaker 1: singing sorrow, I think of Michael Stipe. Do you think
Speaker 1: of who Michael Stype from? R m oh Man, I
Speaker 1: think I think about sorrow singers. That's that's an interesting concept. Sorry,
Speaker 1: like who're the best sings sorrow? So well, man, um uh,
Speaker 1: what's the song I'm thinking about? Man? That's um oh gosh.
Speaker 1: In that movie Love actually um when she finds out
Speaker 1: finally finds out that he's that that he's having an
Speaker 1: affair with the young girl at the office, and there's
Speaker 1: that song that's I know the artist and I'm all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm I have the soundtrack up Dido
Speaker 1: Johnie Mitchell, that's who sings that. Yeah, I mean both
Speaker 1: sides now? Is this song incredible? Lyric If this song
Speaker 1: doesn't move you, then there's something wrong, like with your soul.
Speaker 1: There's something missing. And rowls of Angela, the nice cream
Speaker 1: castle and feathered canyons everywhere looked with clouds that wind,
Speaker 1: but now the only block the sun. It's just about
Speaker 1: you can hear emotion. She's talking about she used to
Speaker 1: look at clouds being these beautiful things, and now how
Speaker 1: I look at him after heartbreak. They only block the sun,
Speaker 1: you know, they bring the rain. It's like, what a
Speaker 1: amazing way to write about that topic. And that's how
Speaker 1: she does the whole song. Man. I just I like
Speaker 1: to tap in then that stuff when I'm feeling that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, she sings sorrow the best, simply the best.
Speaker 1: You're interesting guy to me because you've done a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. And you mentioned earlier you had scolar ship.
Speaker 1: You're a good athlete as a kid, So you want
Speaker 1: to play ball. I'm assuming you play golf. You're guard? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was. I was a point guard and yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I still have that trash talking to me when I
Speaker 1: go play. Did love it? Yeah? I loved it. I
Speaker 1: didn't love golf. I played golf because I looked up
Speaker 1: to my dad so much. Um. He was an amazing
Speaker 1: man that he was tough. He was really tough growing up. Um.
Speaker 1: I have so much appreciation for him in so many
Speaker 1: unique ways now. And as he got older, he softened,
Speaker 1: and as we got older we learned how to handle
Speaker 1: him too. But growing up as a kid, he was
Speaker 1: the single most blunt human being ever met. He's a
Speaker 1: dying breed. I mean he would shoot you so straight.
Speaker 1: And he would talk to a six year old the
Speaker 1: same way he would a thirty year old. There was
Speaker 1: no difference. And he didn't know how to sugarcoat stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: so that was really tough as a kid. I could
Speaker 1: score thirty five in a game and come home and
Speaker 1: I would only hear about the mistakes that I made.
Speaker 1: And he was an incredible athlete. He was a three sport,
Speaker 1: you know, college athlete. He was pro golfer. My granddad
Speaker 1: was a pro golfer. My great granddad was a pro golfer.
Speaker 1: I never played golf. I never had any desire to,
Speaker 1: and he never pushed me to play. He never tried
Speaker 1: to put a club in my hand. My middle brother
Speaker 1: was an All American at golf um and I had
Speaker 1: only like, you know, dabbled in it when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. If I went out there to beat the
Speaker 1: golf course with him, and you know, the little you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little, tiny little club in our little hometown,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I might go out there
Speaker 1: and ride at three withow with him, and while he
Speaker 1: picked up balls, I might hit a couple but I
Speaker 1: never actually played until I quit baseball in my junior
Speaker 1: year and I was just waiting on basketball season, so
Speaker 1: it was my junior kind of going into my junior summer.
Speaker 1: In my senior year is about to start, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I had a couple of fans
Speaker 1: on the golf team. I mean, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: hang out with the end the day I hit a
Speaker 1: few ball, I was gonna see my dad out there,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna see if
Speaker 1: I can play this game kind of thing when I'm
Speaker 1: waiting on basketball season to start. And I remember being
Speaker 1: on the range and hitting and he came up behind me,
Speaker 1: and he always made me nervous because I was always
Speaker 1: trying to make him be proud. And that still translate
Speaker 1: that translator over the music big time. Um. But I
Speaker 1: can remember him standing beside me, behind me. He didn't
Speaker 1: say a word like five minutes, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is the thing was he doing making me nervous?
Speaker 1: And I was kept hitting balls and he finally kind
Speaker 1: of walked up beside me and looked at me. And
Speaker 1: he was an intimidating guy too. He's a big just
Speaker 1: stack dude, and he he looked at me and he so,
Speaker 1: I'll be damn. He said, your swing was ship when
Speaker 1: you were a little kid. I don't know what's happened,
Speaker 1: but you have one of the you know, the most
Speaker 1: perfect plane and swings that I've seen. And it was
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I was getting a compliment like that
Speaker 1: from me. So I became a maniac all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: That's all I did. Next morning, I was out there
Speaker 1: at seven am, and I was there until dark, hitting
Speaker 1: balls all day. And in one summer, you know, I
Speaker 1: basically was playing for four months and by the end
Speaker 1: of that summer, I was shooting the sixties. This was
Speaker 1: a maniac with it. And he was just always like
Speaker 1: he'd come out there when I was hitting. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: you keep doing this, You're gonna be something in this game,
Speaker 1: like you can play. So it just was all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I wasn't even think about that. But I
Speaker 1: never loved the game. It was just I could play.
Speaker 1: I could really play. So it's a horrible putter. But uh,
Speaker 1: and he would boy, he would shoot you straight with
Speaker 1: that um but um. But I still took my basketball
Speaker 1: shop ship and I wanted to do that for a while,
Speaker 1: and then I eventually just I wanted to see what
Speaker 1: I could do in that game. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it because he was always talking about when I
Speaker 1: go home many if you you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: if you're going out and play with the golf team,
Speaker 1: and if you're going to any balls. He was excited
Speaker 1: about how good I was. So I found myself being
Speaker 1: like a psychopath with practice, and I quit basketball and
Speaker 1: I put all my focus on that for like two
Speaker 1: or three years, and then when that was done, I'm
Speaker 1: just completely quit. I never really played anymore. I just
Speaker 1: kind of stopped. Every now and then, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'll talk a little trash to Jaco or somebody and
Speaker 1: be like, man, you can't play. I got here and play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good, you know. I don't know. I've never played
Speaker 1: with Jake, but I teased with him. I went and
Speaker 1: did this thing for Lady a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and he was he was chipping around. You know, Jake's
Speaker 1: just dressed at the dime, you know, he he looks
Speaker 1: the fart out there and I saw him chipping and
Speaker 1: I was just trying to mess him. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you got a little hitch in your back swing right there.
Speaker 1: You're not quite on plane either, really, you know, am
Speaker 1: I not taking it back far? I could get this
Speaker 1: guy's head quick right here. Man, I get destroying just
Speaker 1: in the middle game. But he had a good swing.
Speaker 1: Jake had a good swing. I've heard, I hold, I've
Speaker 1: heard Coults a real baller, and I could, you know,
Speaker 1: And me and Colt were actually we both we love
Speaker 1: Jake and we we were both kind of teasing with Jake,
Speaker 1: you know. Colt was kind of, you know, being like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I'll take Jake's money. Man, when it comes out of money.
Speaker 1: He can't, he can't get it done. So but I've heard,
Speaker 1: you know, coult played on nationwide tour, and that's you
Speaker 1: gotta be a player to play on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some really good players out there. What are you
Speaker 1: trying to stay with your music? Now? Like, what are
Speaker 1: you trying to say with your music? I don't have
Speaker 1: like a you know, people ask me what is your
Speaker 1: sound and what are you like? I don't have a
Speaker 1: specific thing that I'm trying to say. I'm just always
Speaker 1: trying to be authentic in my emotions and transparent with
Speaker 1: the the place that I'm at at that time of
Speaker 1: my life, and we get pressed all the time. We
Speaker 1: gotta send you, gotta sing to the younger females as
Speaker 1: want to buy other records, and I've always just been like, man,
Speaker 1: horseship man, I'm not doing that. I can get up
Speaker 1: there and try to make the same record over and
Speaker 1: over just so i can. Man, I've seen what we've
Speaker 1: been building in an authentic fashion, and I believe it's
Speaker 1: because I have stayed true to myself and I think
Speaker 1: that people are smart enough to see that. And I'll
Speaker 1: never make the same record twice like I'll keep I
Speaker 1: want to. I want this record to be a stage
Speaker 1: of where I'm at my life right now, and you'll
Speaker 1: see that in the songs. You know. Um, And I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna try to stay relevant just by reaching that
Speaker 1: younger demographic like I'm gonna. I want my audience to
Speaker 1: grow with me in life as I'm growing. And there's
Speaker 1: not a specific thing I'm trying to say. It's just
Speaker 1: happening to certain things, like you know, like like more
Speaker 1: girls like you. That was a very honest depiction of
Speaker 1: where I was at kind of in that week in
Speaker 1: my my my thought process, you know, with just I'm
Speaker 1: him er. I was watching a dad with his daughter
Speaker 1: out in the ocean, like a three weeks before I
Speaker 1: wrote that song, and and um trying to teach her
Speaker 1: how to surf, and he couldn't serve himself and he
Speaker 1: was probably not teaching the right things. And she's been
Speaker 1: trying for two hours and couldn't get up, And so
Speaker 1: I paddled over to her, and she was probably nine
Speaker 1: ten years old, and uh, and I just sat out
Speaker 1: there with her for like forty five minutes and taught
Speaker 1: her how to surf. And with within this forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: she was getting up every time she was riding at
Speaker 1: great and she was so excited. And it just it
Speaker 1: just where that door has always been shut, I find myself.
Speaker 1: And it's not a maturing thing. It's just that my
Speaker 1: life has changed. I'm seeing things differently now. So it
Speaker 1: was just kind of I felt myself internally a lot
Speaker 1: more open to that balance in my life. And I
Speaker 1: don't need to be such a maniac with just the
Speaker 1: music because there's so much more. And I look forward.
Speaker 1: I look forward to that. I look forward to having
Speaker 1: a little girl and having you know, a wife and
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about, you know, one day and and have
Speaker 1: a place here I write song, but also have that
Speaker 1: place over there now and when we can go hang
Speaker 1: out and stay and I can teach them both how
Speaker 1: to surf and hang out, like I look forward to that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just where my head was at day.
Speaker 1: So that's what I wrote about. If my head is
Speaker 1: there in that place, I ain't gonna write about some
Speaker 1: bullshit about you know, just going party and or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know that I'm not. I'm not, you know, gonna
Speaker 1: do that just to hopefully have a a radio hit
Speaker 1: that relates to these people over here. Like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write what's what I'm feeling at that time. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot to say. I feel like we can talk
Speaker 1: like three hours here too. We already talked for over hours.
Speaker 1: It feel like that we really, oh yeah, over our
Speaker 1: I thought we've been here for like tyty minutes. I didn't.
Speaker 1: You don't even realize that I'll be charge you for
Speaker 1: the therapy bill. You're you're good at it, man, Like
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times we have to do
Speaker 1: interviews where it's, first of all, it's not even conversation
Speaker 1: doesn't my just reading cute cards and points and it's yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean like this is I can do this. Man.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I have the benefit of one knowing
Speaker 1: you better. Now. I don't need any pint, any paper.
Speaker 1: I have nothing under in front of me. Um. It's easier.
Speaker 1: It's easier when you know what's going and I don't
Speaker 1: even know, like I don't even I feel like I
Speaker 1: learned a lot about you in the Lives album. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, and I can't wait. I can
Speaker 1: wait with the record to come out, like there as
Speaker 1: long as I've never ever heard before you're talking about like,
Speaker 1: let me take that car coming I went right the
Speaker 1: other day. Man, I've been talking about that. Man, I
Speaker 1: just I've never felt anything like that. Dude, that was insane.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what car could do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my car goes fast, think fast. I appreciate that. White
Speaker 1: episode is my So record comes out because there was
Speaker 1: a debate every there were two dates when up September
Speaker 1: September eight, record comes out because past Ittember as you
Speaker 1: can check it out. Guitar man is I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to hearing I'm not even gonna hear it till the
Speaker 1: record comes out, Like, I don't listen to music early
Speaker 1: because I like to listen to a lot people here
Speaker 1: for the most time, So I'll be waiting for September eight.
Speaker 1: Unless that's one of the bonus tracks. They'll be vinyl,
Speaker 1: so you'll have to like spend take a night, man,
Speaker 1: and pop it on your vinyl player. I appreciate the talk,
Speaker 1: A good one, all right, gip more episode six eight sixty.
Speaker 1: That's Bobby Cats. Thank you very much, and we'll see
Speaker 1: you next time.