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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to Episodes sixty of The Bobby Cast

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Speaker 1: and with Kip Moore. Today. God see you tube here

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Speaker 1: showing up here today. Can you talk about what you're

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Speaker 1: doing today? Yeah? I was doing this thing with um

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Speaker 1: with Chase Elly when we filmed last week where I

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Speaker 1: was on the on the track with him in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and it's, Uh, they've picked some athletes where they're kind

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Speaker 1: of asking how do they get ready for a race?

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Speaker 1: What music they listened to? And he listens to my music,

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Speaker 1: So it's that's pretty cool. It was cool man, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know I read in the Chase It's funny. I

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Speaker 1: met him probably a year and a half ago. Drake

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Speaker 1: White and I were playing a show and he was

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Speaker 1: kind of he was announcing both of us, and so

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Speaker 1: we got to hang then. I got to know him then,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know that, you know, he was a

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Speaker 1: fan of the music back then, so we talked about

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Speaker 1: it back then, and uh, it was neat man, just

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Speaker 1: seeing his whole world, because I can admit that I'm

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Speaker 1: not like I didn't grow up with NASCAR. Really, I've

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Speaker 1: seen races it like you have, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: the detail of it. So him bringing me, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the garage, showing how they build the cars up,

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Speaker 1: tear him down off after almost every race, all the

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Speaker 1: aerodynamics that go into it. And then and then it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like me picking his brain on the

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Speaker 1: way he likes to. You know, you would think a

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Speaker 1: NASCAR driver I would want to listen to like really

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Speaker 1: pumped up music, but he's like, I like to get

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Speaker 1: as calm as I possibly can because the race is

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Speaker 1: so long, and it helps me kind of settle in

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Speaker 1: and know and then it's gonna be you know, he

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Speaker 1: likes really chilled out music before he gets in the car.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing. Who who's coming to you before

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Speaker 1: and say hey, Which was surprising to you, is that man,

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Speaker 1: I really love your music. Where you're like, wow, that's cool,

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Speaker 1: Like you like my music? Um man, I can't think

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Speaker 1: of the top of my head right now. I know

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Speaker 1: there's been a few of those cases where any other artists,

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Speaker 1: even in town, that it will call you be like, dude,

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Speaker 1: I just heard the song yours and it's fantastic. Um.

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Speaker 1: Jared Johnston, I'm such a fan of what the collect

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Speaker 1: three do uh so much, and Jared and I are

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Speaker 1: we've become pretty good buddies. But I can remember when

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Speaker 1: the first time he heard that was us. He's like,

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Speaker 1: if you don't put this song out, I'm gonna come

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Speaker 1: up with your house and bite you tomorrow. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's just he was a big fan of that, and

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Speaker 1: then we ended up touring together after that, so, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know I didn't know that. You know, Jared was

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Speaker 1: around listening to music, So you know, it's it's cool, man,

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Speaker 1: when other people that you respect respect what you do.

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Speaker 1: You're an interesting guy. And I think in the past

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Speaker 1: six months so we probably got to know each other

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Speaker 1: better than we have in the past three and a

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Speaker 1: half years before that. But we were talking. We're you

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Speaker 1: and I are up in a room at our management office.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Bob Dylan. Yeah, and you were talking

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Speaker 1: and you were like, you know, I still and I

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Speaker 1: was listening to you because listen. I like to listen.

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Speaker 1: And you and you were talking and you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, and you were talking about I used to

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Speaker 1: study Bob Dylan lyrics, and I was like, look at

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Speaker 1: this guy. Another layer of the onion. They kept more

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Speaker 1: onion I did. Man, you know, I feel like, um,

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Speaker 1: I feel like dealing somewhat kind of saved me from myself.

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Speaker 1: I can be um, I feel like I'm I'm really

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Speaker 1: the time when I really discovered dealing, I mean, my

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Speaker 1: dad played him something growing up. But you know, when

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Speaker 1: you're when you're fourteen and fifteen, you can't comprehend what

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Speaker 1: kind of the same thing with with Seeger and Springsteen,

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Speaker 1: Wind when I'm fourteen, you know. But um, the more

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Speaker 1: just that feeling of which I'm sure you've had, that

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Speaker 1: I wish I could, you know, be that way. The

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Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'd write. I'd write out his lyrics.

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Speaker 1: I try to understand the way he was using his

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Speaker 1: I've always had that that passionate spirit about me, and

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Speaker 1: And I kind of learned how that that I don't

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Speaker 1: when I travel, I like to stay in hostels. Um.

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Speaker 1: in the fourth seasons, I'm uncomfortab around those people. They're fine,

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Speaker 1: a weird thing. Man. For me, you talk about the

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Speaker 1: this is I'm probably about to get off on a

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Speaker 1: at all. Um. I wasn't. I wasn't a really weird

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Speaker 1: I've already written like a whole second project that pretty

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Speaker 1: all six of us and did the Big Haze just

429
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: because it just kind of sounds like a swirling all

430
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: around you. Where you want your that lead vocal to

431
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, speak right to you kind of thing. I

432
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: still like having old school verb, want to leave vocal,

433
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 1: but for the most part, you want that to be

434
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: a little tighter on this new record. I'll talk about

435
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: that for a second, because I think you went through

436
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: this process a little different than you have before. You

437
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: did a lot more of this yourself kind of then

438
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: I've read the stuff, but I've heard you talk about

439
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: it too. So why did you approach this record different

440
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: than the last couple? Um? Because you've recorded somebody with

441
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: that tell anybody right? Um? First off, you know I

442
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: did the first two records with Brett James, who, Man,

443
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: I I take a bullet for Brett the more. Man.

444
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: I love that dude with all my heart and and

445
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: we're like brothers. Um. And he's amazing. Brett's such an

446
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: incredible songwriter, musician, singer, everything. UM. But I just I

447
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: felt on this one. I had been writing these songs

448
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: and I've been living with them so much, and we

449
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: we were great at co producing records together, but we

450
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: were we butt heads a lot. We would and um,

451
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, I hear one party here another part, and

452
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: and um I felt like sometimes that took a little

453
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: bit of a strain on our friendship a little bit.

454
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: Um Brett was one of the best friends I've ever had. Um,

455
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: and I just felt like going into this one, as

456
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: far as that part goes, I've been living with these

457
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: songs so much. I've already been you know, I'll lay

458
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: in my bunk and I'll after I come with the guitar,

459
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: riffer or whatever that's kind of inspired me on that day,

460
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: I'll sing all the parts that I'm hearing, like around that, like,

461
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: I'll just start building the track vocally. Ill build a

462
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: whole track just singing wise, where I'm singing the beat

463
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: and then I'm layering like well, okay, this is what

464
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: the baseline is gonna do. And I'll do all that,

465
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: and I'll sing, Okay, this guitar part is gonna do

466
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: this on the second bar right here on on the

467
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: four chord, and I'll kind of sing all these different

468
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: layers and I had it like platonics, yeah, yeah, yeah.

469
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: So it was one of those things where I knew

470
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted. I knew exactly how I wanted

471
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: to sound. Um So when I went in, I didn't

472
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: want anybody giving me pushback on I knew what I wanted,

473
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: and I knew I wanted to go in there and

474
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: sing a little bit. Um you know. I wanted to

475
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: do some funky stuff that I hadn't done before. And

476
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: I believe so much in the melodies of this record.

477
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: Um but I did. I kind of why I on't

478
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: had only been out for a year. It really wasn't

479
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: time to As far as the country world goes, you know,

480
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: it's it's still that whole cycle of you make a

481
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: record every two or three years, which drives me crazy,

482
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: drives me crazy, drives me crazy. Um so, and I'm

483
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: always righting. But I kind of gathered this in full

484
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: of songs that I believed in a whole lot. I

485
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is a really cool thing I've

486
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: been kind of creating. Um So I went in and uh,

487
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: I just recorded like four or five of them, and

488
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: I went in like as a you know, in like

489
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: a record style, like I'm you know, approaching it like

490
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: a record. And they came back and I was just

491
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: I was so happy with him, and I just kind

492
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: of went to see Brian right now in our red

493
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: and I said, man, I just I want you to

494
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: hear what I've been doing. You tell me what you think.

495
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I've been recording some sides, and I played him for me.

496
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: He called me back and he was just kind of

497
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: flipping over and he was like, I gotta go place

498
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: for the label right now. I said, all right. So

499
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: the next thing I know, I'm getting a call a

500
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: few days later and he's like, you gotta go in

501
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: and make a record. This is great, we gotta get

502
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: this stuff now. So for the next eight or nine months,

503
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: that's all I did. Every time I got the road,

504
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: I was recording right and trying to finish that record

505
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: over the last year. So you do four or five songs,

506
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: But then when you know you're doing a record, does

507
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: that change? How are your right adding songs? Because at

508
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: first it feels like you're writing for you, you're creating

509
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: for you, you don't know where it's gonna go. Now

510
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: you have a direction where you know where it's going

511
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: to go. Does that change the creative process in your head?

512
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: I think before it might have um, but I think

513
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: I was in such a confident headspace where I was

514
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: going and I knew what I wanted to do, and

515
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: I knew what I wanted to say that Um yeah,

516
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: I just I was more just kind of like, all right,

517
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go, I'm ready to do this, and

518
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: and I recorded only thirteen are gonna make the record?

519
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: And I probably wrote thirty for this project, and uh

520
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: recorded twenty one of them. Because you just end up

521
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: getting so close to the songs and you're like okay,

522
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: and then a lot of times you're going in to

523
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: track one and that's when you realize, all right, this

524
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: song is not quite as good as I thought. And

525
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 1: what tracking means is you have a band played this

526
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: song like yeah, like to come in you made sing

527
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: to scratch over the top of it. Um. But I

528
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: mean like in tracking, a lot of the tracking idea,

529
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: like a lot of this record was just me and

530
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: David Garcia in his house and that was a very

531
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: different process for me too. Well, we just played all

532
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: the instruments and we just built it from the ground

533
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: up in his house. Um. I did a track with

534
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: the band on about sev it um and um, you

535
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: know I would I would play the instruments on that too,

536
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: and and you know, get all the music now first,

537
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: and then I do the vocals after guitar. Man was

538
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: the only one where that's the main one. I can't

539
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: wait through the here. It was all on one take,

540
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: and it happened really spontaneous where we had the full

541
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: band playing it, and when the take was over, it

542
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: never felt right to me. We'd probably played it five

543
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: or six times as a full band, and I was like, man,

544
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: something's just not speaking right to me on this song.

545
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: And we all took a break to step away from it,

546
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: and uh, Tom Bukavac and Dave Cohen, we're just kind

547
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: of sitting there messing with each other, just the organ

548
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: and one guitar. And I told I told him as

549
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: I acted like, I was just like, hey, start over,

550
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: like you're playing that from the top, just kind of

551
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: mess around with each other. And I hit record without

552
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: him even really knowing it, and I walked into the

553
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: vocal booth and singing it from the top down in

554
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: one take. And so that whole take that you hear

555
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: on the record is just all of us in one take.

556
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: That's so that's gonna be that end up being the

557
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: song you know, and I think it's you know, I

558
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: think it's the most powerful track on the record. So

559
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: um yeah, and so that some really cool organic stuff

560
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: happened like that on this record. And then that's not

561
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: gonna make it. You said you gotta cut songs. No,

562
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: I've already. I've got the records done done, I got

563
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: thirteen we I just got my master copy yesterday. So

564
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: that's exciting, right man. It's do you like hearing? You

565
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: like hearing yourself back? Yeah, when you've worked that hard. Yeah,

566
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: I mean you love hearing. Like, Uh, I get weird

567
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: if I go to a gym or something and they

568
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: assume just because I played country music, Oh get more

569
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: than here. Let's put on a country playlist that he's

570
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I feel weird doing that field was

571
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: are So you say you're going somewhere, sometimes they'll turn

572
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: you one yea. I guess I kind of feel like

573
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: an asshole, you know I do. I'm like, I'm a

574
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: freaking asshole in the gym right now. The players turn

575
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: on country music, you know, like I'll get picked up,

576
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, you get picked up from a venue and

577
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, let's turn on the country station. And

578
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: they turn and I'm like, hey, country music is not

579
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: the only thing I listened to. I played country music.

580
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: But but uh, but yeah, man, I mean like getting

581
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: back that master copy, um and and riding around and

582
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: here and what you've worked at so hard and hear

583
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: it back and it's came out even better than you hope.

584
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the and that's the and that's the

585
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: part where I wouldn't trade this job for nothing. You know.

586
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: It's like that feeling I'm one of the few people

587
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: on this planet. It gets to have that exhilarating feeling man,

588
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: of just like you, you stepped out, you put yourself

589
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: for exposure, to be completely bashed, man, and just having

590
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: that excitement of like this might be this might be amazing,

591
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: and this might be lightning in a bottle. That's the

592
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: cool thing. It might tank. But when when I I

593
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: was telling some of this other day, like I have

594
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: such a sense of piece about me now because it's

595
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: like not that I didn't with what I was because

596
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: I made the record I wanted to make, but this one,

597
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: more than any project, I did the exact songs I

598
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: wanted to There was no outside influence. I recorded them

599
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: exactly like I wanted to. The sounds were exactly like

600
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I did this record just like I

601
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: had it in my head, and I followed through with it,

602
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: and I stuck to my guns, and I'm okay, if

603
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: it feels like I can lay my head on my

604
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: pillow at night going, I did it exactly how I

605
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: wanted to. So if that, if that doesn't work, I

606
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: can sleep. I can live with that. What I can't

607
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: live with is you know. I mean, I even had

608
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: people when I was I wasn't working at radio, you know,

609
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: And I understand it from the label side, they won't

610
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, they've seen this artists that all of a

611
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: sudden had this break out record that Okay, we're gonna

612
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: make some money off. It's all it's all about money,

613
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's a business like

614
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, so we want to keep this train going.

615
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you got a couple

616
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: of slip ups and it was like when they shelf

617
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: that next record, it was like everybody started singing me songs.

618
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: And man, I hated him, but I was smart enough

619
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: to hear him and go, that's a hit song. It's

620
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: a hit song. I know it's a hit. I could

621
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: sing this, let's be a hit the more, but I couldn't.

622
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: First off, I couldn't stand on stage and sing that

623
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: every night, but I don't believe it. Second of all,

624
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: if it didn't work, that's when I'm really going to

625
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: freaking spiral downward, like I can't. I can't lay my

626
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: head on my pillow at night. So for me, it

627
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: was like I politely, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, but

628
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: I can rememory. I wrote one of the people that

629
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: labeled I'm really close with, and he just, you know,

630
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what his reaction to it was. I

631
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: never got a response, but I been sent like seven

632
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: or eight songs. You know, we all thinking you should

633
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: cut one of these for your next single, you know whatever.

634
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: And I said, look, guys, I appreciate y'all trying to

635
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: help me. I understand where your heart's at. I know

636
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: that y'all want the best for this, and I want

637
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: the best for this whole thing. But if I said

638
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll quit playing music, I'll never touch a guitar again.

639
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: If I have to recording of these songs, it's not happening.

640
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: Sin And that's what I sent and so nobody ever

641
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: wrote back to me. And that's and that's when I

642
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: and after that, you know, I was still in the

643
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: funk for a while, but it was it was a

644
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: couple of months after that when I really kind of

645
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: picked myself back up and started writing Slow Heart. What

646
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: got you out of that? What made you pick yourself

647
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: back up? I think there's a lot of things. I

648
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: think that for me, a big thing kind of coming back. Um,

649
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: whenever I'm connected to my faith, whenever I'm just spending

650
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: time in that, I'm in a lot more peace. And

651
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: it's the crazy thing about that is I know that

652
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: about myself, yet I'll still push it aside. I'll push

653
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: it aside for months sometimes and then I'll get back

654
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: into it, um, And that's when I'm at the most piece.

655
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I think there was a combination of that. I think

656
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: that a big thing happened to um Dave. You know,

657
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: and I've already written probably half of it when this happened,

658
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: but you know, there's a whole another half. I was

659
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: Dave Lapsley, who's you know, one of the closest people

660
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: to me in my life was my guitar player. Since

661
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: the day that I moved here. I mean, he believed

662
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: in me from day one, and he was playing with

663
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: me for twelve or thirteen years, and he was I

664
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: mean he was. We were. We were thick as thieves,

665
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: and I just shared everything with Dave and he went

666
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: on all the radio tour stuff and it was just

667
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: me and him, and you know the bond you create

668
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: doing that, trying to get somewhere together. Um, and even

669
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: before I had a record deal, me and him, we're

670
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: touring out of my jeep for like three years. See

671
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: A believed in me a long time ago, and were

672
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: getting any gigs every weekend. I was gone opening for

673
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: Trace or Billy or whatever. But you know the game,

674
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: and there was no money in it. So it's just

675
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: me and him and a jeep not guaranteed a dime

676
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: and having a hustle, me selling one T shirt and

677
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: a demo that I wasn't supposed to sail back there

678
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and like two or three songs and the people still

679
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: show up with those old demos and Um and him,

680
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, I I tell him to go hustle and

681
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: go make friends and find us a place to crash tonight,

682
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: and he'd finds he we we crashed on fans floors

683
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: for two or three years every single show, after every show,

684
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: and I'd sell the merch and uh so I say

685
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: all that because he was like a brother to me.

686
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: And um, back in like December, you know, at the

687
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: end of our tour, he said, you know, and he'd

688
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: been obviously contemplatings for a while, but his wife got

689
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: offered this really huge job for a for Apple, and um,

690
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: they had to move to Minneapolis, and he was like, man,

691
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: she she really wants this job. You know, it's a

692
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: whole lot of money, and um, you know we're gonna

693
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: do it. You know. That was like the biggest blow

694
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: for me. It was such a blow because when you

695
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: go through all of that and at the end of

696
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: the day, it all a lot of times comes down

697
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: the money. Had we been a big successful band by

698
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: the end, which we're you know in that stage of

699
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: we're successful, but you're not making the kind of money

700
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: where the worries like that go away with family and

701
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And he's got a family

702
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: to take care of. And I felt so like responsible

703
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: for that, and it was just it was the most

704
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was heartache for me. I mean, I

705
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: I shed tears of the whole thing, because I always

706
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: had this dream of us getting to this mountaintop together

707
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: and me and him standing on that and just being like, man,

708
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: look who we did, you know? And that's with all

709
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: my band, but you know he was with me first. Um,

710
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: So that's when I kind of went away. I went

711
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: out and surf for a month, and and MAUI then

712
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: surf for a month Coasta Rican and when the Iceland,

713
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: and during all that time, man, I just I just

714
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: finally started letting go of all that burden of that

715
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: man and just kind of I was carrying all that

716
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: weight even before that, feeling like you gotta keep the

717
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: whole train movement, which I'm sure you do. Sometimes you've

718
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: got people now that are employed because of the success

719
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: of your show, and you feel that responsibility of and

720
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: these people are counting on me to keep being creative

721
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: and keep this thing going, and you feel like a

722
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: failure when your songs aren't working. And even though our

723
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: shows we're doubling and tripling in size, it was like

724
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: everybody else's viewed it as it was a failure because

725
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: people in Nashville are in such a bubble where you

726
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: think it's all about you know, it's just radio, and

727
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: if you're not working at radio, then well he must

728
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: not be working. Well, let's push him to the side

729
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: and let's focus on this guy because he's got some

730
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: hits going on over here. And I felt all that,

731
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, um so I think it was a combination

732
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: of all that. And then as I I got out

733
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: there and I spent some time in prayer and I

734
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: was surfing, I was finding that piece, and I just

735
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: kind of I just came out on a different side,

736
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, if ever supposed to happen,

737
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: when he's gonna happen, this is all divine playing however

738
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. And all I can do is

739
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: wake up and be happy that I've been blessed with

740
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: this amazing life that I fought so hard to have.

741
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know how long it's gonna last. You

742
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: don't know how long your thing's gonna last. It was

743
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: just a sense of peace and that after I really

744
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: sat down and think about it, it's not my fault,

745
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: you know that the thing with Dave didn't work out,

746
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: and letting go of all that garbage, and man, when

747
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: I came out on the other side, on the other side, man,

748
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: that the music I started showing. The music, the melodies

749
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: started showing in this sense of even the song like

750
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: Bittersweet Company, that's such a heart wrenching lyric. It was

751
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: like these amazing happy melodies on top of which was

752
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: the Jukes of Motown, which was I love about Motown.

753
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: But um, just when you hear this record, man, you

754
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: can sense that there's a better place mentally that I

755
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: got to then. As much as I love while one

756
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: was up where I was when I created Wild Ones.

757
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: You talk about a mountaintop, what is your mountain top?

758
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't think And that's another thing Bobby. For me,

759
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: for so long it was happiness was man, when we're

760
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: finally headlining that big arena and we're finally playing that stadium,

761
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: and and I just I see it completely different now,

762
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: you know. Some other day was asked me, you know,

763
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: what are your goals for two thou eighteen, And when

764
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: I said I don't have any, they looked at me

765
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: like I was crazy, And I was like, doesn't mean

766
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: that I'm not ambitious, doesn't mean that I don't want

767
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: to be the you know, be great at what I do.

768
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that I still don't want to sell out

769
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: stadiums and do that whole thing. But my my goal

770
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: is to cantinue to make music and hopefully people show

771
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: up and want to sing it, you know, and and

772
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: to be on the stage with my best friends play

773
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: and just I hope to that's my goal. That's my Now,

774
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm I find myself being so much more present, living

775
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: in the moment as far as this year's gone with shows.

776
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: It's like there's that there's a happiness because I'm I

777
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: was always thinking about, oh god it, well, this has happening.

778
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta try to fix this. Now we're

779
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: not gonna get to this next spot. And I was

780
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: always thinking ahead, which caused me to be a complete

781
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: wreck is a human being, um, And now it's and

782
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: I still have that thing of I'm always strategically, Okay,

783
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: we gotta focus on this and we gotta you know,

784
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still that guy, but I'm letting go of

785
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: the stuff that I can't control and I'm enjoying the

786
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: moments that are meant to be enjoyed. So I think

787
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: that's been the biggest change for me. And I don't

788
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: see a mountaintop anymore. It's it's man, that'd be awesome

789
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: if we were able to play that stadium, But it's

790
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: a badass if we're headline in the theater tomorrow right too,

791
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: And we got three thousand people singing along like so um,

792
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: My mindsets changed in that sense for sure. Talk about

793
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: your live shows for a second, because you put a

794
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: lot of work. I mean, you take the lot shows seriously,

795
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: you pay, have a lot of tension to the crowding,

796
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: probably more than you should. Yeah, I mean I think

797
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: I think to your detriment sometimes for sure, for sure.

798
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that I'm learning. I've gotten better

799
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: at that, man, Like I'm I'm starting to really, you know,

800
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: even after our conversation, you know, I thought about the

801
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Steve Martin thing that you were telling me about last time.

802
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, I had a couple of shows here recently,

803
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: man was I mean it was just insanity, insanity the shows.

804
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: And I saw a couple of despondent faces that usually

805
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: would have I would have been like, sure, why can't

806
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: why why are they enjoying themselves? They might be enjoying

807
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: the seals, they enjoying the selves in a different way,

808
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: But I was quickly able to be like, let's keep

809
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: playing like I you know, just and it was it

810
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: felt good to be that way. Um, but I do man,

811
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: I take I take it serious. I've never missed the

812
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: sound check my whole career. I've never missed a sound check. Um.

813
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm super I'm I'm super locked in when the show's

814
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: even going on while I'm entertaining, and the next day

815
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: I'll be like, hey, you know, brod are you you

816
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: You didn't? You didn't you didn't play the five chord

817
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: on the on the fourth bar of the course last night,

818
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: the second course, you know whatever. You look at me

819
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah I did. I'm like, no, you didn't.

820
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: You missed it. You missed a note and you were

821
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: flat on the bend on the opening your lipstick. I wasn't.

822
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah you were uh you know, Dusty played the I'll

823
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: record all the shows and we played the board back

824
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: and well listen, I'll be right there and I'll go

825
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I got you. And then he'll

826
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: be like were you paying attention to that? And I'm like, so,

827
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm super hyper focused with stuff like that, because man,

828
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: I just I think about being a great band. The

829
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: bands and inspired me. Man, I just how amazingly locked

830
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: in they were on stage. And I also think about

831
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: so many of these people. That's why I never I've

832
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: seen through strep throat a million times I've gotten early

833
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: on my career, I was always sick from all the travel,

834
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sleeping. I was all is sick. You know.

835
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: I won't canceled shows. I'm sure I'll probably they will

836
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: come a time when I just physically can't do them

837
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: one day. But I try to sing through everything. M I.

838
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: These people, you know, some of them are making minimum

839
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: ways and they've been saving up for this show. They've

840
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: been saving for months and looking forward to this show.

841
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: And I can't just go out and go through the motions. Man,

842
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: I gotta give them everything we got. And that's the

843
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: only reason that during that law, because radio is so

844
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: huge for any artists. Any artist's line when they say

845
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: they don't want to be played on the radio and

846
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: something all the big guns, Tom Petty Merle Haggard was like,

847
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm just dying for one more hit, you know, towards anybody.

848
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, everybody wants to be heard by the masses,

849
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean that's you want

850
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: your songs to be heard, doesn't mean that you're setting

851
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: out if you get heard by the masses. That's there's

852
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: been so many of our favorite songs we've sing along

853
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: with our whole life. They weren't sell out songs. They

854
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: were just amazing songs. And you're always willing to write

855
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: that amazing song like a song like guitar Man, and

856
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: you're hoping that it gets heard by your fan base, yes,

857
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: but you're hoping that it gets heard by millions of

858
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: others that never had a chance to hear your music.

859
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's a special thing. Righting down the road

860
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: and hearing your song on the radio. Man's that's a

861
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: powerful thing. Um. So I can't remember what the hell

862
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: we were talking about. Oh yeah. So for me, it's

863
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I just look at it like

864
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: the way we poured ourselves and the way we were

865
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: so attended to detail and trying to give every ounce

866
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: of ourselves every night during those you know, up until

867
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of running for you, but more with this song

868
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: is kind of this song is kind of the first

869
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: time that I'm really having some momentum since Pretty Girl.

870
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: But our fan base is tripled in size through this

871
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: lull where a lot of people the minute that radio

872
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: is gone, artists is dead in the water. And that's

873
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: just the fact. Um. But we I think because we've

874
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: prided ourselves so much on that live show and staying

875
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: authentic to ourselves that we've we've been able to thrive

876
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: during this downtime. Let me play this new song here,

877
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: so right now when you hear this, you can hear

878
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: this in a year from now, and this won't be

879
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: the new song, but right now more girls like you

880
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: got mad? And what part of the process did you

881
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: record this song? I recorded this, uh back in December,

882
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: early December. Um, that was that was Josh Miller, um

883
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: singing a piece of that course a line from that course, Um,

884
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: he said. Uh. All he had was want to reach

885
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: for the bright of stuff, set it on a ring,

886
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: put it on your hand. That was kind of all

887
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: we had. And then it was like we had the melody,

888
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: but that was on the only line. And then I

889
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: just kind of went straight into that and then I

890
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: started playing that acoustic riff that you're here in the beginning,

891
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: and then the melody I immediately was like, you know,

892
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: I haven't living like go out old Mustang Montana Fields,

893
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of singing about my life.

894
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: And we didn't quite know where the song was going

895
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: at that time, but I could tell by the line

896
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: he said, you know I want to read for the

897
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: body star and sell in the ring. Well, all right,

898
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: well we're talking about, you know, finding that right person.

899
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: So then it was me talking about my life in

900
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: that opening verse, and uh, I've been living like a

901
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: wild on the monton. The fields mattered me a bad

902
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: irritation and never stopped these wheels. And that was just

903
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I might have heard the

904
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: grumbles of different things about the way I live or whatever,

905
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: but it was like, you know, I just keep going

906
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: on about it. But I was trying to find a way,

907
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: in an interesting way to get to what he was saying.

908
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: And then we just we started flying with that, me

909
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: and Josh and David Garcia and Steven Lee Olsen. May

910
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: I listen to that song in the first line again,

911
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: I've been living like a wild old Mustang out of

912
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Montana Fields might earn me a bad reputation. That never

913
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: stopped these weeks from rolling and going too far, from

914
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: from going and rolling too far, running and gunning a

915
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: little too hard, so unrained, so untamed. I was just

916
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: picturing and I had the image in my head I

917
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: was pictured in Montana is one of my favorite places.

918
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: I just I love the people of Montana so much.

919
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: I love being out there. And I was just picturing

920
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: this wide open range in my head that I've seen

921
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: as we've passed through Montana on the bus, and picture

922
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: in this wild horse that you can't quite And that

923
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: was the image. And I'll ride around. Image is a

924
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: whole lot. I'll get an image in my head and

925
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: then I'll ride around how that pertains to my life

926
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: and that So that was in my head as I

927
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: sped out that first set of verses. Is that you

928
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: you feel like that you like that? First? Yeah's man,

929
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's I know that I've been aloof and

930
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: hard to rain in, and I know it many times.

931
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: I've I've had a lot of people that I've really

932
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, you know, not a lot. I don't even

933
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: know why. Hell, I just said a lot. I've I've

934
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: gotten close to a couple of people and in my

935
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: journey along this whole thing, and I know that I've

936
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: I've been tough to rainy and like I know that

937
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: about myself. I've been so just trying to go after

938
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: this thing so hard and that it's just it's taken

939
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: up all my attention. Talking about Blue Apron for one second,

940
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: I love Blue Apron, you know, I do the show

941
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,319
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942
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,919
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943
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944
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948
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949
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Speaker 1: look at the website Blue Apron dot Com slash Bobby Cast.

950
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955
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956
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957
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960
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961
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964
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Speaker 1: way to cook. All right, So I want to talk

965
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: about give me one second, Bobby's bathroom. All right, Ki

966
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: is gonna go to the bathroom, go to my bathroom. Yeah,

967
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep it. We're gonna keep rolling. So you

968
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: just go for it. The rule of this is we

969
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: don't stop the tape and we don't edit. So I

970
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: believe this is the first time ever that anyone has

971
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: had to go to the bathroom. I think Jaco and

972
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: had to go, but he didn't say they held it

973
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: the whole time. That's funny. So he happens in my

974
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: bathroom minute ago, and he walked and he was like,

975
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: I also a single man, because there's just it's just

976
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: so I like temporary glasses in there because I have

977
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of um different kind of glasses, and he

978
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I get it. I get it. And

979
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: I was like, you're the actually the first person that's

980
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: ever because I didn't mean my bathroom door with Cole

981
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: here the other day my bedroom door. And my bedroom

982
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: is right next to this studio, and we have a

983
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: bathroom that's actually in the studio. But it's like a

984
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: toilet and there's no soap, and there's like boxes of books.

985
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of a storage room with a toilet. And

986
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: so anyway, keeps in my bathroom right now. And here,

987
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: let's hear that little something from kit Moore. Here, let's

988
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: see how about something by a truck? Here we goundress

989
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: and there you go. So he's coming back. It's beautiful.

990
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Did they come out you guys? Yeah? Like that bathroom?

991
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: Huh it is? I told you I'm a single dude,

992
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: and it looks like mine. I can't I can't hate

993
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: on you that. But you got a record player just

994
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: like mind and there, man, I love that freaking thing.

995
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I got two of those in my house, like one

996
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: upstairs and one down. What's uh? What do you let's

997
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: say you go home tonight, what are you gonna put on?

998
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: Right now? I have I got a Dan Vogelberg album

999
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: on there right now, But I had a James Taylor

1000
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: on the night before. UM had an old deal dealing record. Um. Yeah,

1001
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: A tough day. You tell me what song you put on? Yeah,

1002
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: A tough day. It's a tough day. Uh, Stolen Car

1003
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. Man, because that song just rips your heart out,

1004
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: That's what it does. Song just completely And I like

1005
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: to a lot of people it's funny, man, Like I'll

1006
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: meet people who like, you know, whenever they're broken hearted

1007
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: or wherever they're going through a bad time. I don't

1008
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: want to listen to anything, you know, sad like I

1009
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: just I want to get my you know, I like

1010
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: tapping into that part of my soul. I don't. I

1011
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: don't try to run from it. Like I like tapping

1012
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: into it and getting it out there from the river

1013
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: swowing near the little bod. It's so honest. The song

1014
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: is so honest, man. It's we got married and we

1015
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: swore we never part, but a little by little, you know,

1016
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: it's it's he's singing sorrows him and any Lennox and

1017
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I think he sings sorrow better than anybody

1018
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: than me. It's I love tapping into that. Man. That's

1019
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: interesting to say singing sorrow because when I think of

1020
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: singing sorrow, I think of Michael Stipe. Do you think

1021
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: of who Michael Stype from? R m oh Man, I

1022
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: think I think about sorrow singers. That's that's an interesting concept. Sorry,

1023
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: like who're the best sings sorrow? So well, man, um uh,

1024
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: what's the song I'm thinking about? Man? That's um oh gosh.

1025
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: In that movie Love actually um when she finds out

1026
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: finally finds out that he's that that he's having an

1027
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: affair with the young girl at the office, and there's

1028
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: that song that's I know the artist and I'm all

1029
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm I have the soundtrack up Dido

1030
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: Johnie Mitchell, that's who sings that. Yeah, I mean both

1031
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: sides now? Is this song incredible? Lyric If this song

1032
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: doesn't move you, then there's something wrong, like with your soul.

1033
00:51:50,880 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: There's something missing. And rowls of Angela, the nice cream

1034
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: castle and feathered canyons everywhere looked with clouds that wind,

1035
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: but now the only block the sun. It's just about

1036
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: you can hear emotion. She's talking about she used to

1037
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: look at clouds being these beautiful things, and now how

1038
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: I look at him after heartbreak. They only block the sun,

1039
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, they bring the rain. It's like, what a

1040
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: amazing way to write about that topic. And that's how

1041
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: she does the whole song. Man. I just I like

1042
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: to tap in then that stuff when I'm feeling that way.

1043
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she sings sorrow the best, simply the best.

1044
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: You're interesting guy to me because you've done a lot

1045
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: of different things. And you mentioned earlier you had scolar ship.

1046
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: You're a good athlete as a kid, So you want

1047
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: to play ball. I'm assuming you play golf. You're guard? Yeah, man,

1048
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I was. I was a point guard and yeah, man,

1049
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: I still have that trash talking to me when I

1050
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: go play. Did love it? Yeah? I loved it. I

1051
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: didn't love golf. I played golf because I looked up

1052
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: to my dad so much. Um. He was an amazing

1053
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: man that he was tough. He was really tough growing up. Um.

1054
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: I have so much appreciation for him in so many

1055
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: unique ways now. And as he got older, he softened,

1056
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: and as we got older we learned how to handle

1057
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: him too. But growing up as a kid, he was

1058
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: the single most blunt human being ever met. He's a

1059
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: dying breed. I mean he would shoot you so straight.

1060
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: And he would talk to a six year old the

1061
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: same way he would a thirty year old. There was

1062
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: no difference. And he didn't know how to sugarcoat stuff. Um,

1063
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: so that was really tough as a kid. I could

1064
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: score thirty five in a game and come home and

1065
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: I would only hear about the mistakes that I made.

1066
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: And he was an incredible athlete. He was a three sport,

1067
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, college athlete. He was pro golfer. My granddad

1068
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: was a pro golfer. My great granddad was a pro golfer.

1069
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: I never played golf. I never had any desire to,

1070
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: and he never pushed me to play. He never tried

1071
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: to put a club in my hand. My middle brother

1072
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: was an All American at golf um and I had

1073
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: only like, you know, dabbled in it when I was

1074
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: a kid. If I went out there to beat the

1075
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: golf course with him, and you know, the little you know,

1076
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: it's a little, tiny little club in our little hometown,

1077
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I might go out there

1078
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: and ride at three withow with him, and while he

1079
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: picked up balls, I might hit a couple but I

1080
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: never actually played until I quit baseball in my junior

1081
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: year and I was just waiting on basketball season, so

1082
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: it was my junior kind of going into my junior summer.

1083
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: In my senior year is about to start, and I

1084
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I had a couple of fans

1085
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: on the golf team. I mean, I'm just gonna go

1086
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: hang out with the end the day I hit a

1087
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: few ball, I was gonna see my dad out there,

1088
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna see if

1089
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: I can play this game kind of thing when I'm

1090
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: waiting on basketball season to start. And I remember being

1091
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: on the range and hitting and he came up behind me,

1092
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: and he always made me nervous because I was always

1093
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: trying to make him be proud. And that still translate

1094
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: that translator over the music big time. Um. But I

1095
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: can remember him standing beside me, behind me. He didn't

1096
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: say a word like five minutes, and I was like,

1097
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: what is the thing was he doing making me nervous?

1098
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: And I was kept hitting balls and he finally kind

1099
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: of walked up beside me and looked at me. And

1100
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: he was an intimidating guy too. He's a big just

1101
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: stack dude, and he he looked at me and he so,

1102
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: I'll be damn. He said, your swing was ship when

1103
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: you were a little kid. I don't know what's happened,

1104
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: but you have one of the you know, the most

1105
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: perfect plane and swings that I've seen. And it was

1106
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I was getting a compliment like that

1107
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: from me. So I became a maniac all of a sudden.

1108
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: That's all I did. Next morning, I was out there

1109
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: at seven am, and I was there until dark, hitting

1110
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: balls all day. And in one summer, you know, I

1111
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: basically was playing for four months and by the end

1112
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: of that summer, I was shooting the sixties. This was

1113
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: a maniac with it. And he was just always like

1114
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: he'd come out there when I was hitting. He was like, man,

1115
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: you keep doing this, You're gonna be something in this game,

1116
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: like you can play. So it just was all of

1117
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, I wasn't even think about that. But I

1118
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: never loved the game. It was just I could play.

1119
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I could really play. So it's a horrible putter. But uh,

1120
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: and he would boy, he would shoot you straight with

1121
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: that um but um. But I still took my basketball

1122
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: shop ship and I wanted to do that for a while,

1123
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: and then I eventually just I wanted to see what

1124
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: I could do in that game. And I wanted to

1125
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: do it because he was always talking about when I

1126
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: go home many if you you know, and you know,

1127
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: if you're going out and play with the golf team,

1128
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: and if you're going to any balls. He was excited

1129
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: about how good I was. So I found myself being

1130
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: like a psychopath with practice, and I quit basketball and

1131
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: I put all my focus on that for like two

1132
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: or three years, and then when that was done, I'm

1133
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: just completely quit. I never really played anymore. I just

1134
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: kind of stopped. Every now and then, like you know,

1135
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: I'll talk a little trash to Jaco or somebody and

1136
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: be like, man, you can't play. I got here and play. Yeah,

1137
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: he's good, you know. I don't know. I've never played

1138
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: with Jake, but I teased with him. I went and

1139
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: did this thing for Lady a couple of years ago,

1140
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: and he was he was chipping around. You know, Jake's

1141
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: just dressed at the dime, you know, he he looks

1142
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: the fart out there and I saw him chipping and

1143
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: I was just trying to mess him. I was like, man,

1144
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: you got a little hitch in your back swing right there.

1145
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: You're not quite on plane either, really, you know, am

1146
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: I not taking it back far? I could get this

1147
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: guy's head quick right here. Man, I get destroying just

1148
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: in the middle game. But he had a good swing.

1149
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: Jake had a good swing. I've heard, I hold, I've

1150
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: heard Coults a real baller, and I could, you know,

1151
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: And me and Colt were actually we both we love

1152
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: Jake and we we were both kind of teasing with Jake,

1153
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: you know. Colt was kind of, you know, being like, oh, man,

1154
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll take Jake's money. Man, when it comes out of money.

1155
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: He can't, he can't get it done. So but I've heard,

1156
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, coult played on nationwide tour, and that's you

1157
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: gotta be a player to play on that. I mean,

1158
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: there's some really good players out there. What are you

1159
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: trying to stay with your music? Now? Like, what are

1160
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: you trying to say with your music? I don't have

1161
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: like a you know, people ask me what is your

1162
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: sound and what are you like? I don't have a

1163
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: specific thing that I'm trying to say. I'm just always

1164
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: trying to be authentic in my emotions and transparent with

1165
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: the the place that I'm at at that time of

1166
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: my life, and we get pressed all the time. We

1167
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: gotta send you, gotta sing to the younger females as

1168
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: want to buy other records, and I've always just been like, man,

1169
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: horseship man, I'm not doing that. I can get up

1170
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: there and try to make the same record over and

1171
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: over just so i can. Man, I've seen what we've

1172
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: been building in an authentic fashion, and I believe it's

1173
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: because I have stayed true to myself and I think

1174
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: that people are smart enough to see that. And I'll

1175
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: never make the same record twice like I'll keep I

1176
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: want to. I want this record to be a stage

1177
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: of where I'm at my life right now, and you'll

1178
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: see that in the songs. You know. Um, And I'm

1179
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: not gonna try to stay relevant just by reaching that

1180
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: younger demographic like I'm gonna. I want my audience to

1181
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: grow with me in life as I'm growing. And there's

1182
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: not a specific thing I'm trying to say. It's just

1183
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: happening to certain things, like you know, like like more

1184
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: girls like you. That was a very honest depiction of

1185
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: where I was at kind of in that week in

1186
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: my my my thought process, you know, with just I'm

1187
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: him er. I was watching a dad with his daughter

1188
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: out in the ocean, like a three weeks before I

1189
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: wrote that song, and and um trying to teach her

1190
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: how to surf, and he couldn't serve himself and he

1191
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: was probably not teaching the right things. And she's been

1192
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: trying for two hours and couldn't get up, And so

1193
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: I paddled over to her, and she was probably nine

1194
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: ten years old, and uh, and I just sat out

1195
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: there with her for like forty five minutes and taught

1196
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: her how to surf. And with within this forty five minutes,

1197
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: she was getting up every time she was riding at

1198
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: great and she was so excited. And it just it

1199
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: just where that door has always been shut, I find myself.

1200
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: And it's not a maturing thing. It's just that my

1201
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: life has changed. I'm seeing things differently now. So it

1202
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: was just kind of I felt myself internally a lot

1203
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: more open to that balance in my life. And I

1204
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: don't need to be such a maniac with just the

1205
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: music because there's so much more. And I look forward.

1206
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: I look forward to that. I look forward to having

1207
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: a little girl and having you know, a wife and

1208
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about, you know, one day and and have

1209
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: a place here I write song, but also have that

1210
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: place over there now and when we can go hang

1211
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: out and stay and I can teach them both how

1212
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: to surf and hang out, like I look forward to that. So,

1213
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just where my head was at day.

1214
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: So that's what I wrote about. If my head is

1215
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: there in that place, I ain't gonna write about some

1216
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: bullshit about you know, just going party and or whatever.

1217
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: You know that I'm not. I'm not, you know, gonna

1218
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: do that just to hopefully have a a radio hit

1219
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: that relates to these people over here. Like I'm gonna

1220
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: write what's what I'm feeling at that time. I feel like, yeah,

1221
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: a lot to say. I feel like we can talk

1222
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: like three hours here too. We already talked for over hours.

1223
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: It feel like that we really, oh yeah, over our

1224
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: I thought we've been here for like tyty minutes. I didn't.

1225
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: You don't even realize that I'll be charge you for

1226
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: the therapy bill. You're you're good at it, man, Like

1227
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times we have to do

1228
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: interviews where it's, first of all, it's not even conversation

1229
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: doesn't my just reading cute cards and points and it's yeah, man,

1230
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean like this is I can do this. Man.

1231
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: To be fair, I have the benefit of one knowing

1232
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: you better. Now. I don't need any pint, any paper.

1233
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: I have nothing under in front of me. Um. It's easier.

1234
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: It's easier when you know what's going and I don't

1235
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: even know, like I don't even I feel like I

1236
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: learned a lot about you in the Lives album. So

1237
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, and I can't wait. I can

1238
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: wait with the record to come out, like there as

1239
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: long as I've never ever heard before you're talking about like,

1240
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: let me take that car coming I went right the

1241
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: other day. Man, I've been talking about that. Man, I

1242
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: just I've never felt anything like that. Dude, that was insane.

1243
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what car could do that. Yeah,

1244
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: my car goes fast, think fast. I appreciate that. White

1245
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: episode is my So record comes out because there was

1246
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: a debate every there were two dates when up September

1247
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: September eight, record comes out because past Ittember as you

1248
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: can check it out. Guitar man is I'm looking forward

1249
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: to hearing I'm not even gonna hear it till the

1250
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: record comes out, Like, I don't listen to music early

1251
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: because I like to listen to a lot people here

1252
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: for the most time, So I'll be waiting for September eight.

1253
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 1: Unless that's one of the bonus tracks. They'll be vinyl,

1254
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: so you'll have to like spend take a night, man,

1255
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: and pop it on your vinyl player. I appreciate the talk,

1256
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: A good one, all right, gip more episode six eight sixty.

1257
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: That's Bobby Cats. Thank you very much, and we'll see

1258
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: you next time.