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Speaker 1: will remain lower for longer amid moderate growth. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Index higher now by fourteen points of three tents of

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Speaker 1: Gold up seventeen ten, the ounce to twelve sixty four,

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Speaker 1: to Taking Stock with Kathleen and Pin Fox on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Stocks in the United States move higher today, the S

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Speaker 1: and the US dollar fell. So what's not to like? Well?

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Speaker 1: Philip Orlando is the chief equity market strategist for Federated Investors.

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Speaker 1: He joins us here at Pershing Inside twenty sixteen conference

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Speaker 1: at the Higher Regency in Orlando, Florida. Philip Orlando, thanks

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Speaker 1: for being Linus, Thanks for having me back. All right.

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Speaker 1: So I was looking at the SMP five hundred, keep

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Speaker 1: This is a this is never not even have been

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Speaker 1: rate fil Orlando, I feel really good about December. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there may be something ahead of the election, but that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a much tougher call. Wow. Okay, Orlando, great

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