WEBVTT - Da Pope 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.840 All right, let's get it going right here, right now. 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.080 This is Eyes up Here, and you're listening to a 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.959 brand new Eyes up Here exclusively on our Patreon channel 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.720 as well as on the Creative Control Network. If you 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.520 didn't know by now, my name is Chad, and every 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.159 single week I am joined here by the one and 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.280 only Queen of Extreme Francy. And I see your wobble. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.600 The stream of light, like a sign from above, has 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.040 dropped as the Queen of Extreme joins us exclusively on 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.520 Eyes up Here. I think it's from my window. It's annoying. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:44.040 It's like a light. Uh what's it called? Uh? Lightsaber? Oh, lightsaber. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:45.840 I thought you were trying to do like a dance 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.239 move like. Oh yeah, it's freaking annoying me. Look it's 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.720 on my face. Oh I hate it. How are you 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.040 I'm doing? Okay? Yeah good, I'm good. How about how 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.760 about y'all? We're good. You know. Only thing I did 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:07.760 this week substantial was start at Christmas shopping okay, because 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.480 there's a rumor going around that packages might be delayed 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.959 by eight months, So I said, let me get my 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:23.319 credit card ready and let's go. Does that scare you though? Yeah? Yeah, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.759 it should, doesn't it scare you? I don't know, because 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.600 I mean I listen to what they're saying. Obviously, you 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:34.000 know I read what they're saying too, but taking everything 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.760 with a grand cat, yeah, Like, I mean, the one 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.960 thing I heard what there was a guy I saw 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.520 on the news the other day. He was from a 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.640 toy manufacturer distributor who said it's a little bit they're 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:50.760 making it sound worse and that you'll get stuff. It's 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.880 just not going to be cheap. It's not going to 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.560 be on sale this year. It's going to be at 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.520 full price. Oh. So that's where I've been like, all right, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.800 the demand is going to be from people like what 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.840 you're saying, running to go get it right now, and 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.600 being like, shit, I can't get that Barbie's dream House, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.760 you know, November tenth for eighty nine ninety nine. I've 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.079 got to get it on October thirty first for one 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.120 twenty nine ninety nine. So is there no Black Friday 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.000 deals this year? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.080 I don't know. I've been picking my kid's brains like 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:23.640 what do you want? What do you want? And then 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.440 I when they tell me, I put it in my 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.920 cart On Amazon, and then I just yesterday I just said, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.880 you know what, I'm going to bite the bullet. I'm 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.560 going to buy this stuff because it's all in there, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.360 and it was like twenty things and I just did. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.280 And now I got seventeen packages upstairs because it was 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.440 over night prime, and uh, I have to hide everything. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:48.520 And you know, because my son still believes in Santa Claus, well, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.960 I can sympathize. We're not going to we're not going 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.080 to tell him yet, but uh, the girl, she knows 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.040 the girls, the girl's hip to everything, but the boy, no, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.640 no clue. I can sympathize because I do as well. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.760 So you know, I believe in the I didn't just 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.760 save a sweatshirt that I saw, you know, for scent 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:13.160 of Liz and a clause brings that there you go. Yeah, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.040 but uh yeah, so that's what I did. I started 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:20.280 my Christmas shopping and I saw something. Are we are 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.320 we going to go into our guest because I can 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.440 save this for afternoon? Yes, please save it. Let me 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.720 get the link over to him. Let's do that. Because 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.000 I have a question when when we're done, before we 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.200 we say goodbye, I have a question that I would 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.560 like to ask you about Christmas and Christmas decorations. I'm 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.640 gonna write it down because I'm sure you'll forget, absolutely forget. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.320 I have a sharpie and a piece of paper because 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.080 all my other stuff is packed away. Sure I have 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:52.520 never left in my printer. Okay, yeah, write that down 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.120 and and we'll talk about it. Because I have a 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.880 topic that I'd like to discuss without getting too political. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.880 But I would love to get political. Let's do it. Well, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.160 you know we can't. We can't do that on here. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.640 But I just want to get some thoughts and I 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.040 would like to get political. Like I'm in the wrestling business. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:17.920 Political politics and wrestling are just not good. Not good. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.040 Why I'm so great? I'm better than this guy? Right? 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.360 Why are I getting to push? Now? Do you need 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.440 any coffee or anything? Because I'd love to get it 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.880 for you? And have I told you how great you 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:32.440 look today? Well, yeah, you know it happens. But I 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.240 saw a clip of Jim Cornett and somebody asked him, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.919 who do you think the biggest ass kisser is in 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:42.520 the history of wrestling? Oh, they were talking about people 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.120 who were yes men to Vince mick Man. What did 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.680 he answer? He said Kevin Done, Oh yeah, without a 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.160 shadow of doubt, and Bruce Pritchard he threw it, Oh, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.960 now this is Kevin Done. Still work there, Yeah, Kevin Done, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.960 Rector of Television Operations, the Voice of God, as I 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.640 was told he was the Voice of God. Yeah, that's 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.880 what they said in the production studio. Voice of God. Unbelievable. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.240 I don't know. My God doesn't sound like Kevin Dunn. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:19.279 So oh, I wasn't. I wasn't saying that I'm doing 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.120 the Jim Cornette impression of him. That's terrible, very funny though. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.719 He said, uh, you know, like there are times where 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.880 he said, people relate a story to him about how 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.479 bad he wants to be accepted by Vince. So he 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.200 said that they were on the plane once and he 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.479 was trying to, you know, get Vince's attention. He was 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.400 trying to get him to respond to what he was saying, 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.359 and he said, uh, talking about a female performer that 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.839 she's good, but she needs tits right, because he thought 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.320 that would pop Vince. It's like he's like, you're trying 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.599 way too hard, buddy, Like we get it. Vince is 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.880 as an alpha male and you want it. You want 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.800 to appeal to his manly side. This is how the 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:06.280 males act about female talent. So terrible though, like that's 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.719 that sucks, Like what the hell? And then but he's 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:14.560 been a teflon and untouchable for thirty five forty yeah, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.680 gotta be close to forty. I think he got there 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.719 like nineteen eighty seven or something. I don't ever remember 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.839 meeting him, So I'll send you the picture of Kevin 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.719 Duncie what he looks like. You probably saw him backstage, Okay, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.880 I probably did through the Bucky Beaver. Again, that's just 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.279 Jim Cornette's impression. I'm just doing Jim Cornette not nice. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.359 Oh my god, I don't get along. Hey, did you 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:42.800 hear Tony Kahan suffered a rib injury on a e 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:50.039 W in a dark laughing? This is Dasha who just 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.600 pointing out a story because I saw Vince McManus trending 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.360 and I can't imagine why, but I will say, as 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.200 we wait for our guests to pop up, dis feud 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.520 between them is kind of heating up? Is it a 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.240 real few? Is it? Well? I think Tony Cohn's being 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.120 very like boisterous now and not like reserved Tony Kahan 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.600 he was saying Ross sucked the other night. You know, 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.320 he's like, it's starting to teeter totter into Eric Bischoff 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:19.680 nineteen nineties territory. Now, is Vince McMahon responding, of course, 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:24.840 not well, then guess who's winning, man, Vince McMahon, Because 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.560 you don't acknowledge number two when you're number one. Never. 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.440 That's why I don't get all these Twitter feuds, these 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.920 crazy back and forth with these people. I know most 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.040 of it's a work, but when it becomes a shoot, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.040 it's just like, dude, same thing with talent. When you 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.600 get a hater and they retweet the hate and the 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.160 you know, everybody attacks this one guy who has eight 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.920 followers and blah blah blah, why even retweet it? Like 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.680 you can comment, but why why why retweet it and 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.800 give him the floor? Like get out of here? Or 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.440 what about when the person who's getting ripped on acknowledges 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.520 that they're getting ripped on, but like trying to play 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.040 along with the joke, like is trying to make it 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:14.080 like it doesn't bother them. No, that happens too. I 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.120 don't know. I just think that if you have nothing 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.720 nice to say, just get off Twitter. Instagram seems different 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.400 to me. Instagram is like all pictures and can't really 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.000 get it. On Instagram really get too much. All I 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.240 see is you can reply like and double tap the message. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:36.200 When you reply, you can reply something hateful. I don't 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.719 think I've really seen much hate on Instagram. On Instagram, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.720 I don't use Instagram that often because I'm not a 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.600 selfie girl. I don't like taking pictures of myself. So 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.600 what am I going to put up? I will say, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.560 people on Twitter, or excuse me, people on Instagram buy 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.880 more than people on Twitter. Do that. Yes, I only 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:02.280 have two hundred and fifty something followers on Instagram, and 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.440 I have more sales from Instagram than I do in 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.520 my entire duration of Twitter. I don't like Instagram because 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.880 you can't put links up. It's very hard. I don't 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.440 very hard. Just put a link and click it. Like Twitter. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.480 Put a link, click it, put put wherever you want. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.200 It's great for marketing, but Instagram, I can't stand it. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.000 And everybody on Twitter is cheap. Everybody on Instagram is 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.800 ready to spend oh gosh. So there's a tip for 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.680 anyone who's trying to make a couple extra buck skis 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:40.200 out there. Well, that is me Insta girl. I can't 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:45.160 I can't use I can't do links and stuff. And 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.920 I put and then oh hell do you bully this? 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.760 Well and copy and paste to put it in your 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.360 the U r L and put it up there and 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.480 then it'll take you to this. It's hard to copy 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.480 and paste on there too. Well, then type it out 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.679 Here we go. Our guest is ready to join. You'd 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.560 like do your intro? Elijah Burke, come on down, because 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:10.320 now I'm mad Instagram. Come on my friends, Elijah, Hi, honey, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.240 hey see what is going on? Are you giving me 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.800 love eyes already? Who got you out? Over that? Girl? 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.000 It's just me. It's people being cheap on social media. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.679 We got me high. Yeah, we were talking about Instagram 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.760 and people being cheap and not buying stuff and not 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.439 being able to post links. Yeah, everybody wants stuff free 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:38.040 these days. I know it. I know it. But it's 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.120 lovely to see you, by the way. Yeah, I just 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.880 wanted to apologize. You know, we got the ten minute 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:49.760 ruler rest Freddy got Well, it's it's it's eleven minutes 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.959 for you, so you you will get the little slap 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.679 on the wrist when I see you next time I 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.920 saw my man twice. Last I saw you. What you 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.080 got your coffee? And that's what happened. You got me 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.280 scared with your message from Twitter, and so I was like, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.319 let me get everything together. And I tried to make 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.880 sure how my cup of coffee, and I spilled it 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.960 because I was Russian. Are you kidding? You spilled your 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.880 dunkin Donuts with the lid, not the duncans. I'm all now, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.520 So I spilled my other coffee that I made because 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.360 I can drink coffee all day. May I just say, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.079 your skin looks amazing. I thought I was looking kind 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:27.800 of tan. And now with him on the screen, I 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:33.079 look at Palace Casper. I'm really I'm really angry. Oh gosh. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.960 I saw you a couple of weeks ago and Fort Wayne, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:42.000 which was a delight. What did you think of that? 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:47.760 That crowd? It was different. It's Indiana, you know, it's 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:53.559 Fort Wayne, Indianapolis. It's Fort Wayne, which is like this big, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:59.880 a little very forgotten part of uh, you know, Indianapolis House. 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.480 So it was great. It's always great just because you 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:09.040 get the uh. The crowd was interesting, but certainly having 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.280 all of you guys there. And you know, anytime I 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.600 see you, I just freaking lose it. So I have 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.640 why is that that? Does it go back to our 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:26.320 first encounter? No, it goes not not not not w 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.920 W E c W, No, it goes it goes back 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:35.120 to the Sunshine Network. And and Chad just let me 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.160 first allow Hope to say what up? Because Franny. You know, 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.760 when me and Franny get in the run, it can 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.360 be it can be one hundred people, it could be 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.720 thirty of the boys. Nothing matters at that point in time. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.360 It's just like, I'm not even here. I just not. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.160 I'll laugh, I'll throw it a quip here and there, Paul, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.360 I see is the puslic I'm not here, I see. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.800 But uh, it goes back to the school Shine Network. 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:03.200 Like I told you originally during w W E c 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.040 W you know, I was, I was. I was man 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.160 that I was in high school and maybe a little 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:14.920 beyond or before that, and I'm watching you and I 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.200 gotta say you upside down was always my favorite position. Uh, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:28.960 the power driver Tommy. Yeah, so so you know that 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.760 is the memory. One of the memories that always stays 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.320 in my head is him putting you up for the 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:40.120 power Driver, but then just the queen of extreme, you know, 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.679 coming through that curtain and through the interest way, and 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.800 and when you're in there, you just got there's something 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.559 that was always so innocent. There's nothing like a bad 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.400 girl that comes across innocent. You know what I'm saying. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.560 I am dude. Yeah, So she had that whole innocent 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:03.800 girl vibe even though she was presented and and played 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:09.120 this vicious, you know, extreme queen that she was. And 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.160 I just always dug it. I always dug her. I 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.040 don't know. We just watched the clip of her jumping 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.640 over a table onto Paul Hayman. So that wasn't very reserved. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.320 And and and the one thing that I teach when 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.240 I'm doing some holding seminars and teaching now and the 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:34.120 fighting evolutionaryst in Miami, Florida, I wish we had that 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.880 type of realism. I should say, uh today with the women, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.760 I don't. And this is a credit to you and 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:47.120 and uh Beulah McGillicuddy and and all the you know, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.840 the other mainstays that was there when I saw you 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.480 guys go at it. Paul Hayman being such an evil 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.640 genius that he is in his own way, he knew 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:03.200 how to present a cat fight. I don't want to 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:08.320 see women try to be men and a wrestling ring. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.880 I don't want to see It's okay. I understand when 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.400 there's new day and age, women are athletic, they can 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.280 do this. That great, But when I want there's nowhere 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.120 in the world when you are on the street and 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:24.720 popes from the streets. Okay, when when when women go 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.280 at it, there's hair pulling, there's hair tugging, like there's 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.080 a real fight. And you guys presented that at times 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.920 with the sex appeal as well. And I remember in 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.880 my backyard. I remember in my backyard of my home, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.920 my mom's home, dad's home, there was a cat fight 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.800 going on. We were in the one to watch it. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:50.120 You know, the the g strings are all out who 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.120 they are fall falling out. No, there was fighting over 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.400 another dude, but it was in my backyard. Well, I 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.320 thank you for the compliments. We're not here to talk 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.080 about me. I want to talk about you. And so 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:09.400 you mentioned Paul. I'm jumping ahead a little bit because 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.440 you've been wrestling before two thousand and six, But what 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.560 was your relationship like with Paul in the fake. Did 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.200 you get to work with him a lot? There? I 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:22.720 did work with Paul. Uh fake e W. It was 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.480 the fake e c W. I can't. Yeah, we just 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.640 called it w W E c W. That's that's our 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.800 you know, that's what your originals call it. The fake. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.440 Ere you go, I'm sorry, no disrespect to anyone, but 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:41.560 it was. Yeah, So I worked with Paul. Paul Paul 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:48.560 is was and will probably always be a genius. And 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:54.240 and by genius it doesn't necessarily from my take on Paul, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.200 it doesn't necessarily mean that all of his ideas are 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.040 just money and great. No, no, no, genius means the 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.439 worker in him Paul, and you probably got more of 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.320 it than I. But Paul is a freaking word. Paul 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:15.480 can talk the flesh off of a skeleton. Paul Hayman, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:20.600 you know, Paul Hayman can convince you that there's life 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.760 after death, and he can convince you of having the hell, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.560 and then he'll convince you that hell's the better place 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.239 to go to. We always say, he will tell you 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.479 the sky is green and the grass is blue, and 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.040 you'd be like, yes it is, because that's he just 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.479 has that gift to Gaby people. People always told us 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.920 that we were like zombies we did whatever, like puppets. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.680 They called us puppets were He was the puppet master 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.320 and we were his puppets and stuff. But it was 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.800 we believed in our products so much that we wanted 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.679 to believe that what he said was gospel. Right. It 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.640 wasn't that. Oh we drank the kool aid. I hate 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.080 that rushing, but that's that's another thing that was always 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.200 out there. You guys were so stupid because we weren't 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.680 getting paid at the time, you know, but we were 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.479 just so hopeful that something would click and that the 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.760 company would be saved and whatever Paul told us was 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.040 going to come true, which it didn't. But you know, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.439 we were his soldiers. So that was the bond. That 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.200 was the you know, you guys were the outcast quote 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.840 unquote promotion. Even from a fan watching like myself. You know, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.440 you guys were the little edge, and that could every 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.600 time I thought about E. C W. I thought about 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:38.240 that Christmas story, uh, with the Christmas Mischief, misfit toys, 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.560 the Island of the Misfit Toys. That's what we called 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.760 ourselves that and that's how that's how I envisioned h 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.240 and it took somebody like Paul, you know, to make 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.080 it work as far as pushing and encouraging you guys 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.879 and motivating you guys. He he tried to bring that 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:00.960 same aspect to WW E c W as well. Surely problem. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:06.679 Uh it wasn't this show true and problem? You know? 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.480 So so so there were times when Paul can get 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.080 you by yourself and motivate you. I remember when they 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.680 sent him down to ob W and and and and 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.360 you know when they took him. I want Paul on W, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.280 you know. So they sent him down to obi W 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.119 Devins and I and I was working with him there 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.000 before I got you know, uh, when they sent him 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.760 down demoting him for SmackDown. So I worked with him 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.359 in ob W before he went back up to e 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.159 c W. And I remember Paul coming in and he's like, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.639 just I want you to go out there and and 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:47.840 and just preach. Just there there are your congregation, there 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.560 are your people, Go talk to them, Go be you 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.200 and and and that's all, you know, the hands down 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.480 pat Yeah. Yeah, So he's a great motivator. Yeah, he 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.960 really is. He really is. So you were digging E 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.720 c W as a kid, did you always know you 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.399 wanted to be a wrestler? Like from Oh gosh, now 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.960 you talk about E c W. I'm digging you, guys, 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:18.399 because even when I went into law enforcement, uh I 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.320 straight out of high school. I went there. I was 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.639 an officer for ten excuse for five years. So yeah, 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.560 and so when I came home here in Jacksonville, I 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:33.240 come home, it's you know, midnight. I may have had 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.280 my raw or you know, night showed me. I've had 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:40.199 that recorded on the VCR, and by the time I 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.239 get done with my shower and stuff, I may have 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.920 fast forward and watched what I wanted to watch. Guess 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.080 what's coming on at one or two am in the 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.880 morning on the sub we had the worst time slots. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.600 It was great. I stayed up to watch it. You 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.280 guys are coming on on the Sunshine Network at freaking 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.399 one and two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, right out anyway, 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.560 So okay, let me sit here and watch it. N 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.040 w A man. And that's that's the other flip side. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:12.919 I grew up watching loving n w A and and 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:17.760 here I am. N n w A had the opportunity. 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.480 Dusty Dusty was my guy. Okay, everybody knows Dusty Rose. Yes, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:27.560 everybody knows his influence on me. I got a chance 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.719 to work with him hands on in WWE. Yes. I 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.639 remember when I walked in there with my suitcase and 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.760 here comes the dream walking down, you know, through the corridor, 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.560 and I just freeze. I'm right by catering. I freeze. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.600 It comes to dream. I'm like, Okay, what am I 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.760 going to do? What am I going to say? How 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.080 do I react? How do I respond? So as he 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.960 got near me, I go, uh hey, dream, Elijah Burke, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.120 Nice to meet you. He goes, put that hand out 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.800 the way. Boy, I know all about you. I love 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.080 that you and now we're gonna make a lot of 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:09.240 money together. And yeah, so to watch this guy, to 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.880 be influenced by this guy. You know, we didn't have 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:20.320 any black heroes at that time in wrestling, have any 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.480 black world champions. Dusty Rose was the closest to a 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.919 black world champion that a black guy had because of 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:34.240 Sapphire is Rap. He had it, he had it down. 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.960 Yeah when he said when he's when he said your 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:54.520 hand reach out right now, your hand talked, Yeah, you're 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.720 missing a point. Though Dusty was like a Southern Baptist. Yes, 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.080 and you've been from up where you are, you probably 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.359 wouldn't get that, you know, it probably wouldn't resonate with 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.040 you the way that it does with us down here, 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.320 you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, So Dusty had that, 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:19.560 and not just that he was charismatic. Dusty was influenced 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.840 by Muhammad Ali as well, you know what I'm saying. 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.720 So he he took a lot of Muhammad Ali's rap 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.640 and applied it to his game. Okay, I see where 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:35.440 you're coming from. I'm too sweet, baby power. Yes, yes, 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.920 you took all that stuff from Mhammad Ali. Yeah. So 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.200 we resonated with dust Rose the American dream, the common man. 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:46.280 We resonated with the fact, you know that he the 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.919 whether you're black, whether you're white, you know, big or small, 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:53.240 We we got it. And Dusty just had that connection, 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:58.080 not just with one race, but with everybody. Everybody, brought 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.679 everybody together. That's why he's so. Yeah. Absolutely, And he 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.560 taught me the figure four because I had to do 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.040 it too. Uh. We worked a program with him, and 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:13.400 uh it was I think it was me Dreamer, somebody 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.399 else I can't remember, Oh, maybe Terry funk I. I 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.040 don't remember, and it was, uh no, it was me, 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.800 it was and Dusty, but then it was Korea. Yeah, no, 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:24.680 I'm sorry. It was weird. I was babycase so was. 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:29.119 There are three of us against Krino, Jack Victory and 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.760 somebody else. But we all did the figure fours in 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.360 the ring and I had to give it to Steve Carrino. 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.480 So before the show, Dusty took me in there let 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.280 me do it to him a couple of times. Yeah, 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.119 and he was cute. He says, honey, you do it 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:42.560