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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Friday, right, so much about the damn art.

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Speaker 3: Maniche took the chair that was once manifested by Jay.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Oliver is a much more well rounded threat. Quite

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Speaker 2: I don't see him for three minutes hand and hand

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Speaker 2: BC disagreed, and I understand the point, which is right.

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Speaker 2: But he's not going to be on the back foot either.

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Speaker 3: You and I had an HQ where you said, look,

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Speaker 3: I also agree though, that Charles Oliver thrives on chaos.

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Speaker 3: each of all of these dramatic wins. He's got to

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Speaker 3: you do that? And I don't mean from a damage

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Speaker 3: But just like if you're going to be a gun

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Speaker 3: It's not a permanent position when you when you fight

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Speaker 3: When I look at who is out there that's most

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Speaker 3: if you're Doe Bronx of aggressively going for finishes, to me,

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Speaker 3: it's Justin Gaichee. So I disagree with your premise of

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Speaker 3: but I almost feel like the more this fight gets chaotic, Luke,

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Speaker 3: Justin Gaechee was born in chaos. Brother, he lives in it.

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Speaker 3: How does you get into a eight? You really think the.

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Speaker 2: Most likely way that Olivera gets to the back is

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Speaker 2: he drives into Justin Gai Chee, he takes him down

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Speaker 2: that is very much in play. If you are not

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Speaker 2: end in a fucking flash Well, the.

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Speaker 3: Fighting end of gets Olivera in a fucking flash time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's true for any fight, but you understand

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Speaker 2: you have to be that those are by definition defensive postures.

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Speaker 2: I have no offensive jiu jitsu and I have no

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Speaker 4: You can't do that, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think Olivera's luck is going to run out if

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Speaker 3: this fight looks like olivera chandler.

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Speaker 5: I think this is the guy that eventually.

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Speaker 3: Yes, who So, you know, let's give Geigee his credit.

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Speaker 3: His his sole focused is to land that one strike

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Speaker 3: But Charles Olivera has been pulling it off on this

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Speaker 3: ten fight win streak, and he's been proving to us

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Speaker 3: that you know, any notion of what you know. Gay

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Speaker 3: Chee said at some point this week that a lot

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, we talked about that on Wednesday. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Olivera's reformed. He's a different dude. Also, didn't gay Chie

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Speaker 5: I mean it's you know, so.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't hold up well in that regard.

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Speaker 3: But if you're Geechee, I would try to use that

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Speaker 3: still a look at the fight against Chandler, this is

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Speaker 3: You're taking chances against somebody as good as gay Chee Luke.

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Speaker 3: That's why I tell you, I wonder what the posture

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Speaker 5: But let me flip it to you on this.

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Speaker 3: Why Charles Olivera beat Dustin Poorier wasn't necessarily the same

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Speaker 5: How much does that become a factor.

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Speaker 3: If you're a guy who looks okay Oliver's the favorite,

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Speaker 3: He's the champion. Why should I back him? Do you

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I understand the question.

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Speaker 3: Can he take Gaechie down and have the type of

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Speaker 3: top position success that he had against Poorier? Because I

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it playing out that way where Poorier

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Speaker 2: I would say this taking down Geatege is gonna be

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Speaker 2: I will say, according to fight metric, Charles Lavera averages

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Speaker 2: two point five zero two and a half takedowns per

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Speaker 2: is for Dustin Poarier then, and I realized he submitted

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Speaker 2: Poarier's defense in that position is just gonna be a

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Speaker 4: That's one point you had before.

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Speaker 2: There's no way to say your version of things is

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Speaker 2: Gage to really to just absolutely cause problems hammered Charles Olivera,

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Speaker 2: caused him to make mistakes and then just finish him

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Speaker 4: I'm only speaking in grand percentages.

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Speaker 2: And if they fought one hundred times, what would be

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Speaker 2: the most probable outcome for me? The more defensive one

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Speaker 2: I have to acknowledge that.

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Speaker 4: I just think this.

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Speaker 2: If you're Olivera, you have to mix in the takedown attempts.

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Speaker 2: You have to wrestle in different ranges. You have to

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Speaker 2: Remember you don't have to take down Justin Gaigie. But

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Speaker 2: you have to do is not remember al Jabin Sterling,

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Speaker 2: did you really get full takedowns on you on? I

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Speaker 2: think he got two or something like that. But you

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Speaker 2: know what he did do. He took advantage of back exposure.

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Speaker 2: That was all he needed to do. He took advantage

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Speaker 3: Be a winning ticket. That is not a good position

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Speaker 3: to be. And why do you rank Gaigie's chin damage

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Speaker 5: That that Olivera just finished.

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Speaker 3: I mean he finished Michael Chandler and finished Dustin Pooria.

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Speaker 4: And finished Chandler and I went to the distance.

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Speaker 5: No Olivera finished.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so you know.

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Speaker 5: Olivera finished the guys. That's what he fucking does and

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Speaker 3: You know, it does it in both way. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: he do it as easily against the ge Chee if

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Speaker 3: he gets Gachie's back, that's a different equation.

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Speaker 5: But just on on wearing him down. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: Olivera land the left hook to hurt him and that

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Speaker 3: turned that fight around. Do you think Gai Chee's a

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Speaker 3: little stronger and harder to hurt in that same way,

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Speaker 3: striking Gaichee.

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Speaker 4: Is easier to hit, he is harder to make use

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Speaker 2: Right, So strikes landed per minute for just In Gaischie

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Speaker 2: what so what He's dishing out seven point five and

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Speaker 2: it's not just a negative differential. I've never seen a

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Speaker 2: seen both like this. He absorbs seven point eight strikes

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Speaker 2: per minute, Like that is so fucking high. That is

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Speaker 2: of damage. Now, obviously much more more of that comes

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Speaker 2: He takes a lot of punishment, So I think that

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Speaker 2: Olivera will have plenty of opportunity to land on him,

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Speaker 2: but it is going to take something special from Olivera

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Speaker 2: if Poarier proved anything, it's that dude, even if you're

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00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 2: landing on this guy consistently, Poorier.

441
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 4: Landed on Gaischie consistently.

442
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 2: The amount of will he has to just absorb it

443
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 2: and move forward is extraordinary.

444
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of those stoppage losses that you saw Gatechee

445
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 3: have on the feet against Alvarez and against Poorier, I mean, dude,

446
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 3: they were deep in hell by that point.

447
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Alvarez's face. Remember you had the

448
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: big swollen part of his face. And I don't know

449
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 2: if Poarier could walk for a week.

450
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,160
Speaker 3: And the point is, though, when you get that deep

451
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 3: into hell, anything can happen. And you know that that's

452
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 3: if Olivera is going to finish him in anything but

453
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 3: a choke, obviously it's going to have to be well

454
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 3: down that road into the champion ship rounds and it

455
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 3: being a wild fight. But if I'm a backer of

456
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 3: Gay Jean still having my top ten pounds for pound,

457
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 3: and maybe viewers think overrating him. I'm just guessing critically

458
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: the way that gay Chi lost to Habib, how much

459
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,400
Speaker 3: of that is a negative at his ground slash grappling defensibility,

460
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 3: it's a big negative.

461
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: Again the old idea that what you have to do

462
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: is you got to pick them up.

463
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 5: You go back to Luke.

464
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 3: I mean really, the ghost of J, ghost of J.

465
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 4: Fuck you two host and then he comes and does

466
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 4: this all right.

467
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: The point I'm trying to make is, what the fuck

468
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: was the question we get lost?

469
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 5: You know, it was definitely about gai Chi and the

470
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 5: other guy.

471
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 4: Oh oh oh no, no.

472
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: So the whole idea is if gai Chi, it's not Listen,

473
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: the old idea was take them, get them on their back, right,

474
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: create create essentially hips face on the ceiling for your opponent,

475
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 2: Move to stide, move to mant if you want. But

476
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 2: you know, occupy that kind of an attack sequence. And

477
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: now we're just finding out that that's really difficult to

478
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: hold someone down. And that's a very old way of

479
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: obviously still valuable in certain circumstances for guard passing, but

480
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: you just can't rely on that, especially against a guy

481
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: who can wrestle the way Geische can.

482
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 4: It's again, it's a different meta.

483
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 2: It's back exposed.

484
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, is that do I have a blind

485
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 3: spot that Geechee is way more vulnerable on the ground

486
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 3: than I'm realizing, and that that could end up being

487
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 3: the Now, Look, we've already established that if if Oliver

488
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 3: gets the back, the fights over, that's just Oliver, like

489
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: he's a he's a special animal. But the transitions that

490
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: create him getting the back could could this could Geiche

491
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: be his own enemy and and and you know, and

492
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 3: be on his way to another Habib like loss. That

493
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: that's something that I'm.

494
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: Just trying to explain the difference, Like the difference in

495
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: grappling is if someone can make you create back exposure

496
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: and then plant your weight to create a stable structure

497
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 2: for them to then use to climb, that's what That's

498
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: what Hbib did. Remember he shot the double turned and

499
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: you saw Geechee go to all fours and or at

500
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: least I think his hands and knees. But that is

501
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 2: all Habib needed. He did not need him to go

502
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: all the way like a beadle turned over. He just

503
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 2: needed him to create a stable structure for then him

504
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: to climb, because if someone is planting their weight and

505
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 2: driving it down, they're actually going to be pretty sturdy,

506
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: and then you can get to the back and you

507
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: can do all this stuff.

508
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 4: It's a completely different thing.

509
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: But in order to pull that off, yes, the person

510
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 2: doing it has to be very good, but there has

511
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: to be a very wide gap and skill between them.

512
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: And so what I would say is not that Olavera

513
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: is on par with Abid. They're very different grapplers just

514
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: the same. But I think if Habib can do something

515
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: like that, Olivera should be able to do that as well.

516
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: That's to me, this is again again the danger of

517
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: you have to keep that guy completely off of you.

518
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: No overhooks, no underhooks, know nothing.

519
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: Oliver is finally getting like the critical respect, and I

520
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 3: have to assume he's starting to get more commercial appeal

521
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: to it.

522
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 5: You know, highlight reel.

523
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 3: Victory after another on the pay per view title level

524
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: against our heroes. Basically, you know Dustin Poier, you know

525
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 3: Michael Chandler now just engagee. Do you think though his

526
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: shtick is a little underrated and how bad asset is

527
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: with dyeing the hair with You know what I mean,

528
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: like being all about the favella, like I'm falling in

529
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: love with with like dough Bronx the character at this

530
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: level as well, you.

531
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: Should ask the fans I mean I I.

532
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan.

533
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 5: I'm a community college professor.

534
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: No, that's funny. Actually, Uh, what I mean is, I

535
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: don't really some fighters. I do care about their personality.

536
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: Someone's I don't. Someone's I like someone's I don't. I

537
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: have no issue at all with his flair for the

538
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: dramatic and whatnot. But it's so irrelevant to me because

539
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: I find his game electrifying.

540
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: I don't care if he dies his hair.

541
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: I don't mean the sauce. The meat is so good.

542
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: The sauce, well, you think the fucking sauce is the

543
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: hair dye, not the triangle.

544
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: Chokes, motherfucker.

545
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: That tells you.

546
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: That tells you how fucking terrible your palette is. Now

547
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: that you think hair dye and sunglasses is the sauce.

548
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: It's the BD. It's the aura.

549
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: No, that's it's a consequence of the triangles of.

550
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 3: The fueled by the triangles. It's fueled by the success.

551
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: It's fueled by the finishes. You start making finish, whether

552
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: it's in the cage or in the dorm floors. Luke,

553
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 3: you come out of there acting like an alpha start.

554
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: Just because I unfairly yelled at you on Monday doesn't

555
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: mean you're right about the sauce here. I'm sorry about that.

556
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: B C.

557
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank You're my main bitch.

558
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: Damn too many wives, real one an editorial one.

559
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 5: That's that's you know, all right, Luke, It's it is time.

560
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: Though.

561
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: We talked about the stakes, and there's there's big time stakes.

562
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: Whoever they both fight next. Coming out of here with

563
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: a win, is is We're gonna continue on down that road.

564
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: There's there's uh.

565
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: This division is loaded and Islam's event eventually going to

566
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: get his chance, and there's no shortage of all action opponents.

567
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: No chance it goes the distance though, no chance it

568
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: goes five four rounds.

569
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 4: I'm saying, hell, though I would.

570
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what those odds are, Yeah, exactly what

571
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: are the odds on that?

572
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: I would bet?

573
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: I would very much take the under very I cannot

574
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: imagine how two devastating finishers like this would not finish. Yes,

575
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: it has to be the only one, the only one

576
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: that is interesting though, is exactly where because a first

577
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: round finish play in either direction, Yes, but like what

578
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: happens after the first who do you then begin to favor?

579
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: Because after the first Geige's cardio is not shit, it's

580
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: very good, you know, be able to depend on what

581
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: happens in the first but like, who would you favor

582
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: if they get out of the first round? Who would

583
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: you favor into the second? Into the third? And again

584
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 2: we don't know.

585
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: It's weird, so I think you can you can from

586
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: what we've seen of late, you can say, well, I

587
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: like Olivera in the second and the third, especially if

588
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: the first is batshit crazy, kind of like the Chandler

589
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: for like, we know that he lives for this, he

590
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: can swim in this. It has to But but who

591
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: does it favor in rounds four and five? If we've

592
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: been through a lot of reversals and control and submission threat.

593
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: To all that, Olavera is around in the fourth round,

594
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: if Gaichie couldn't put him out in fifteen minutes, that

595
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: has to be a good sign for him. Kase does

596
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: get rocked, he does get drop.

597
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: That's the thing I was going to ask you do

598
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: you think gai Chi becomes more vulnerable by the end

599
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: of round four and five. Historically, Now, if it's a

600
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: fight where he's completely dictating the terms and kicking your ass,

601
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: that's different. But in the absolute wars, when they got

602
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: that far, that's when you can finish Geigee. I mean

603
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: you got to be a man to do it.

604
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean you gotta be a fucking dog to finish it.

605
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: Boy, is Oliver that dog.

606
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: I understand that.

607
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: We can just look at the Gaichee versus Tony fight

608
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: and be like, well that one went LEI didn't favorite Tony.

609
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: In fact, it just got one.

610
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: We're kicking his That I understand because it's a different fight.

611
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways were of course what I'm

612
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: saying would not make sense, but I would just argue,

613
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: if you're Charles olivera and you're heading into the fourth round,

614
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: some part of that has to be a bit of

615
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: a good sign. Some part of that because he just

616
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: gache is gonna be a fucking huge threat at every time,

617
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: but that power punching is gonna be ready to go

618
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: from the moment that opening bell rings. So if you

619
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: have survived that again, we'll see what happens that would

620
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: favor I think, at least on most cases OLIVERA.

621
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: Uh, it's prediction time, Luke. And here's what I'm gonna

622
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: tell you know what fight this is gonna end up

623
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: looking a lot like.

624
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 4: Huh UFC two to one.

625
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: You see too, Iron Woodley Robbie Lawler just goes in

626
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: there and smokes him.

627
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

628
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 5: I just think would you be?

629
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: You wouldn't be shocked at Oliver wins and wins by

630
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: spectacular you know, stoppage and you know, almost gets finished

631
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: himself to then do finishing. No one will be surprised

632
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: by that. How surprised would you be? Though? If Gaishee

633
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: comes out and just the first big combination or big

634
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: punchy lands he stops Charles Olivera. And it's not all

635
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: It's not that OLIVERA doesn't still have it.

636
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 5: It's again, how many times you show.

637
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Up to be the gun slinger in that duel?

638
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

639
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: Aaron Burr might be coming through that door eventually. You

640
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying is justin geigee, Aaron Burr his story.

641
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: I have gone back and forth on this one.

642
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 3: This I say, yes, I say this. He comes in

643
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: there they have some smoke. They should exchange the flames.

644
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: But the first big one, Geige, stops him and gets

645
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: the win. Luke, you can only dude, you can only

646
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: sling for so long, Luke.

647
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: Okay, bro I was slinging in my twenties, so.

648
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: Yes, I like Justin Gaigee by first round stoppage.

649
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: What does Luke say, We'll looking at this here real quickly.

650
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: Dustin Parier landed fifty four of eighty seven strikes on

651
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: Charles Olavera in round one, but he managed to and

652
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: did score a knockdown, but he managed to have on.

653
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: And then Michael Chandler in their fight against uh, let's

654
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: see here we go. In the first round, Michael Chandler

655
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: landed Jesus just twenty eight to fifty one, but that's

656
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: still a lot. And then you know he was able

657
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: to I didn't count it as a knockdown, but it

658
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: looked like a knockdown to me. I guess to call

659
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: it a takedown in either case. Dude, this is a

660
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: coin flip, man, I really don't know. So the way

661
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm leaning, I have I have. I'll just go this

662
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: way to your point. If gategie goes out there and

663
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: just drops a fucking bomb on him. At any point.

664
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: Is at any point that surprising? It should not be

665
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: to you. He is that kind of a finisher.

666
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: It's a finish wines.

667
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 2: He gets hit, there's no denying. I'm just gonna pick.

668
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick the champ. And the reason why I'm

669
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: gonna pick the champ is because I have been I

670
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: have consistently underrated him. I've always thought he's good. But

671
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: I did not see the Reformation coming. I did not

672
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: see those victory I thought Dustin Poarier for sure was

673
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: gonna beat him. And dude, he really he is. He's

674
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: a tremendous fighter. He's a tremendous talent. And I really

675
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: believe I understand where Justin Gaigie is coming from making

676
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: the comments about the quitting. But I also believe that

677
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: olivera Is has really you can work on your resiliency.

678
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: It is a thing that is possible. And I think

679
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: he's I think he's a different guy. I'm gonna go

680
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: with the Champ, but I recognize.

681
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 5: If I fight, I can't wait to see this. Luke

682
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 5: comaane event is uh redemption?

683
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: Who you're picking Gate?

684
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 5: I picked Gate? You by first round finish.

685
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Wow, while you were in your computer, the people Charles

686
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: hold up the status.

687
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, so right, rematch in the flyweight title.

688
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: When you said it was Woodley versus Lawlor, I wasn't

689
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: sure who you were assigning, Woodley or Mysterious.

690
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I creep up in the night. Yeah,

691
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Luke, it's rosnami Unis who lost the inaugural

692
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen pound title bout in twenty fourteen.

693
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Tough finale end of the year seven and a half

694
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: years later though, right, she's the best in the game

695
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: in this way class, But Carla Esparza is coming on

696
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: with five straight wins. So, Luke, we already hit up

697
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: all the points on the romanticism and the redemp angle

698
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: and all that. Let's get into the actual fight where

699
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: rosnami Unis is a minus two hundred betting favorite Carla

700
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: Asparza plus one seventy. Luke, if I tell you, because

701
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: obviously as much as Rose has made this incredible evolution

702
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: in her game, damn, so has Carla Esparza during this

703
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: win streak. If I tell you, Esparza is able to

704
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: take Rose down at least once per round, maybe even more.

705
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: We all know that's a fight Carla Asparza can win,

706
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: no question about it.

707
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: That's how she wins.

708
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: Can she win any other way, though, Luke, that's the question.

709
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: No against this version of Rose.

710
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: No, I mean yes, I mean an errant punch could

711
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: land rock her and then she could finish her off

712
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: on the feet. That seems unlikely. Also, I was speaking

713
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: with Dean Thomas yesterday. Oh yeah, he made a really

714
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: good point, which is it's like, it's not just that,

715
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: you know, if Carla and Rose just had a striking battle,

716
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: you would favor Rose and favorite Rose to win, probably

717
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: quite handily. He goes, The other part is that he

718
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: still believes that, you know, what Esparza has shown in

719
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: a couple of fights is just a lack of composure

720
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: on the feet under fire. Yes, right, This goes back

721
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: to the thing we talk about. No fighter likes to

722
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: get hit, but some lose composure and some don't. It's

723
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: part of the human experience. She gets hit a lot too,

724
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: and she gets hit a lot, and so her composure

725
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: under fire standing is not great. However, you asked about

726
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: the takedowns. Was she good for around one around? Maybe more. Yes,

727
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: three point five to three per fifteen minutes. She is

728
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: good for at least one takedown around.

729
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: And we have to assume even though roses wrestling has

730
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: become also very good asparsna take her to her back,

731
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: it's what she does with it. Can she keep her there?

732
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: Can she start landing on?

733
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: Let me just say this, it'll be The real question

734
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: about the takedowns is one, obviously, can she get them?

735
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume overtime she will get some. The

736
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: other question is does she get them in open space?

737
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: Does she get them against the cage?

738
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: I really wonder about that because if she gets them

739
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: against the cage, that's really going to aid. I think

740
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Rose has good defensive wrestling. I don't think it's nearly

741
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: as good from the starting point of her back, not

742
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: her feet.

743
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: Right. So imagine you were doing a partner drill.

744
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: One person's on bottom, one person's on top, and full guard,

745
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: and the task of the person in full guard is

746
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: to then stand yes, right, I don't think her stand

747
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: up capacity in that context is nearly as good as

748
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: was it is along the fence line. Her fence defensive wrestling,

749
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: I think is actually a little bit better. So that

750
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: will be the key. So let's posit a scenario. Let's

751
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: posit a scenario where Asparsa is able to get the

752
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: takedown relative to her average so at least one around,

753
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: and then I wish they had like average control time.

754
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: We don't have that.

755
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: But the other one I would say is and then

756
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: where is it?

757
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: I bet you're Richard Mann has it by sitting all

758
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: over that good ship.

759
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: Just hiding that shit bitch.

760
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is if we have that in play,

761
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna have there's a very good chance you're gonna

762
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: have a new Stroway Champ. I honestly think people. And

763
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: by the way, I will shout out to Dan tom

764
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: Over at MMA Junkie, who is just a phenomenal analyst

765
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: does consistently great work. You know, of course, no two

766
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: people always agree on things, but I usually find myself nodding,

767
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 2: and a lot of what he has to say, he

768
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: has outright picked a Sparsa he made.

769
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: If you've not read it, you don't have to agree.

770
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm not asking everyone to buy in, but he makes

771
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: a very very compelling argument that you should take seriously.

772
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: Asparsa does not have the game that rose has we're

773
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: not asking about that.

774
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: Well, does she have the game that Rose is the

775
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: most vulnerable against. That's the key question.

776
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: And can she and then once she's able to make

777
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: it work getting her down okay, not against the fence,

778
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: what can she do in that context? Then then what

779
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: can she do? We shall see. But I think people

780
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: are sleeping on Asparza's chances here a little.

781
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Bit okay here, but let's be fair. Before this wind

782
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: streak has been great. But like we mentioned on Wednesday,

783
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: there's been some split decisions. There's been some when there's

784
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: a split decision, sometimes it's bad judging, sometimes.

785
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: It's close closing marine a little on even in your performance.

786
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 5: It can be different things. But here's the point.

787
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: If I didn't see the most recent one, Yao Shanan

788
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: who she finished, and she finished violently. And the motor,

789
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: I mean, her motor is always there. She's somebody that's

790
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: going to maul you and wear you down. Like I

791
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: liked watching Rose. The UFC countdown made Rose rewatch that

792
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: fight with Pat Barry next to her in the living room,

793
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: and you know, I like you like to see some

794
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: of the natural reactions there, and they both just kept

795
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: saying you know, we thought we had this easily. But

796
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: what Asparsa does is she forces you to event quit.

797
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: She just you know, she aims at that at that

798
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: spot in the Death Star, that one shot you can hit,

799
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: and she.

800
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 5: Just keeps going at it until you quit.

801
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: Like the Rose from twenty fourteen could get suspect in that,

802
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: I don't think modern day Rose can though, And if

803
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: I didn't see the Yao Shannan finish Luke, I don't

804
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 3: know if I'd be giving as spar as A much

805
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: chance at all. But that does show me that she

806
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: has not only I mean, she's got a lot stronger

807
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 3: if you look at her build, and she's still gonna

808
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: be able to push that pace and now she can

809
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 3: finish you on top if you're not great down there.

810
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna give her that finisher's chance. That's why

811
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: the odds were they at That's why.

812
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: Some people are picking her.

813
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, they'll look for

814
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: as much as they've grown, Rose has grown to be

815
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: like great, like super elite, like all time great, and

816
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: some ways of looking at it, I don't think as

817
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: spars is on that same level or really all that close,

818
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 3: even though like what you're saying it may not matter

819
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: because if she has the game that taps at Rose's

820
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: most vulnerable areas, then it won't matter. Right, styles make fights.

821
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: I don't think you can crack Rose anymore. I think

822
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: she's too battle tested.

823
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: Luke read I'm going to read these names to you, Okay,

824
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: Jong Way Lee, Jeong Way Lee, just Gondrodge, and then

825
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: a loss to just Gondrodge and then Yo Wanta in

826
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: j check. Right, these are all excellent fighters, truly truly

827
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: very special talents. But which of them has a traditional

828
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: wrestling background and a traditional wrestling attack in MMA?

829
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: Certainly not in J check.

830
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: I would also argue Onrodge is not that way, and

831
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: neither is Jeong Way Lee. Carl Barza has many known

832
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: documented limits, no question about it. She does not have

833
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: the overall ability of Rose, no question about it. But

834
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: the unique threat that she presents is a genuine problem

835
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: for roseam Okay, but.

836
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: Two, Connor thinks to that.

837
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: One, Rose did face a wrestling heavy Jeong Wiley in

838
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: the rematch.

839
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, but okay, it was this tactical fight.

840
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, that's fine.

841
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: But two, even though I agree with you that this

842
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: fight could end up being more compact than most people

843
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: think because of what exactly what we're saying. The thing

844
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: that is Sparza does best might be the one opening

845
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: where you can compromise or challenge Rose the most. We're

846
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: still banking on the idea that Carla can basically make

847
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: Rose quit, you know what I'm saying, That can either

848
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: beat her into giving up her back, or can wear

849
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: her out to win a decision, or can outright finish her.

850
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 5: Rose ain't that person anymore, Luke.

851
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: That's the thing though. It's not like we're saying, Okay,

852
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 3: maybe a submission happens and you get caught.

853
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: Look, you get caught.

854
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: She's gonna have to beat the fight out of the champion.

855
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: Bruce just went through hell with Androge on the rematch.

856
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: You know, she's been in these five round thrillers with

857
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: Youanna and then Wayley in the rematch as far as

858
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: has not been on that same level to do with

859
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: the method of attack, because you don't think for Sparsa

860
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: to win, she's gonna have to break Rose.

861
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 5: I don't think she can.

862
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: She doesn't have to break Rose at all. She says,

863
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: it's to slice her open. She has to break anything.

864
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: I think she'll need more than just a cut or

865
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: a round in which you score it for it because

866
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: she was dominant on top.

867
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: She's gonna need more to win this.

868
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has to do the best she's ever done.

869
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: I would agree, Yeah, but honestly, like I wouldn't say that.

870
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: You know, to back to back wins over Jean Wiley,

871
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: two back to back fights, one of them being a

872
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: redemption when he gets Androge and Indian j check as

873
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: good as what has Sparsa has done. It's tremendous, but

874
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't match that.

875
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: But dude, it's Beguez.

876
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: She beat Jeni Roba, Grasso, Waterson, Harodriguez, and jan shaw Nan.

877
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: If I took away the name of the person who

878
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: won and I told you that is their five fight

879
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: win streak, you'd be like, Yeah, that motherfucker is good, dude.

880
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 2: So I just feel like I get the point. There's

881
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: been a level at which Rose has been tasked to

882
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: fight that she has not only uh which which which

883
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: by itself separates here from Carla, but she has risen

884
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: to the occasion in almost all those scenarios save for

885
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: the first Onroge fight. Aaron, Absolutely, I just don't I'm

886
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: gonna say this, and I think I'm to answer the question.

887
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pick Rose.

888
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick Rose, But this one you gotta watch

889
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: through your fingers a little bit. Carla Esparza is being

890
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: underrated because subsequent to the last fight, she has not

891
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: had the decorated return in many ways that Rose has

892
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: in the fight game. Fans don't like her as much.

893
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: What the fuck does any of that have to do

894
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: with her double egg in the center of the cage?

895
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: Nothing to double A couldn't figure out, I'll tell you

896
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: that much. But they do have to be on the

897
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: feed at certain key times. I think Rose is going

898
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: to piece her before we get there, though. In the

899
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: final prediction, you chatted with rosnami Unis. Of course, YouTube

900
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: dot com slash Morning Combat can get you all our

901
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 3: great bonus chats with the likes of I don't know,

902
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: Julianna Paina, Michael Chandler, Kayla Harrison. How about rosanami Unis

903
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: talking about what techniques will be needed to get past

904
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: the spars I here in this rematch, God, you're stupid.

905
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: This is fun.

906
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: What we doing? This is a very Yeah.

907
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 7: I think it's always been sort of it's been pretty organic.

908
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 7: I would say there's been I've had to I've just

909
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 7: been kind of like I think a lot of fighters,

910
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 7: I would say, we're all just kind of figuring shit

911
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 7: out on a fly. As far as like, uh, there's

912
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 7: no rule book.

913
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 8: To like this.

914
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 7: The sport is still evolving. It's still you know, new

915
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 7: things are coming up all the time. So I think

916
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 7: that just with my Taekwana background, it's sort of evolved.

917
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 7: And then and then along the way this journey I've

918
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 7: I've come across just I've uh cross pass with so

919
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 7: many different people that has like sort of just it's

920
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 7: like it's like making gumbo, you know what I mean.

921
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 7: It's just like you just kind of make it as

922
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 7: you go along, and you just kind of add new

923
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: flavors to it. And so this is kind of what

924
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 7: I came up. But it's like, yeah, so there, so

925
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 7: there's a certain structure to to how like I know

926
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 7: this works for my style, I know this works for

927
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 7: my body type.

928
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: And then.

929
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 7: And then it's just like kind of trial and error

930
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 7: and like adding things as we go along.

931
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: Very good chat with Rose right there, Luke. It's a

932
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: redemption angle at the end of the day, I think

933
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: she's the better, far better fighter who can no longer

934
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: be pushed and bullied in those same ways, even with

935
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: the style contrast here. So not only am I picking

936
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: Rose to win, I think she gets the real naked choke.

937
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: I think she goes full circle and beats Carla the

938
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: same way she got beat.

939
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 5: It's gonna take.

940
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 4: Obviously love pro wrestling.

941
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I just I like a good story.

942
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: You know, I like a I like a good Uh,

943
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: I like a good feeling on the inside.

944
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: Are you the guy who watches like all the porn

945
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: stories up front, like the pizza delivery and like fixing

946
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: the plumber and stuff. You're like, I need that first

947
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: before I can get in the mood.

948
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: Wow?

949
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: Wow all right?

950
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: So, uh, Luke, I think it's gonna take her being

951
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 3: on her back at times, but she's going to figure

952
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: out how to reverse that.

953
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: Luke.

954
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: I think her jiu jitsu is is far ahead of

955
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: Carlo's and uh, you're gonna see what happens here, Luca.

956
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: I think a Sparsa is gonna give her a hell

957
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: of a fight. I just don't know if it's going

958
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: to be enough each round to put Rose out of

959
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: the fight. Such that she can't figure it out later

960
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: in the fight. So round three, round four, But I

961
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: think Asparsa is gonna Rose has her handsful.

962
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: I really believe night for Trevor Whitman once again. Who

963
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: will be at Khe's corner will be in roses. Remember

964
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: that fight card last year? He had those two and

965
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: the Woodley fight on the same night. Yeah, must be

966
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: a nice paycheck after a loaded weekend.

967
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: I hope he deserves a coach's on.

968
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: There, Luke. Michael Chandler, Tony Ferguson lightweight. We expect all action.

969
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: We talked Wednesday about the fears of exactly where Tony.

970
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 5: Ferguson is that.

971
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: You can check out our bonus video as well, reacting

972
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: to Tony's comments about Dana White and fighter pay and

973
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: all that. But that's not going to matter when they

974
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: touch gloves. Luke Thomas Michael Chandler minus three eighty your

975
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: betting favorite Tony Ferguson plus two ninety. Luke, we got

976
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: some sound with Michael Chandler about what he has to

977
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: do here in this matchup. Let's toss to that, then

978
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: we'll break down who wins and why not.

979
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 8: Always it's definitely not always the best path to victory,

980
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 8: you know, I mean granted, you know when we talk

981
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 8: about the Justin Gatsche fight, which went down his fight

982
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 8: of the Year and hopefully makes it into the Hall

983
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 8: of Fame. In the fight wing sometime soon, I think

984
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 8: I was caught up in the moment. Man. You you

985
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 8: you put any human being at the middle of Madison

986
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 8: Square Garden with that many screaming fans, and you look

987
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 8: at your opponent with cross eyed and on roller skates.

988
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 8: After you get him hurt, you start smelling. You did

989
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 8: start smelling blood, and uh, you throw caution into the wind.

990
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 8: I couldn't hear my coaches couldn't hear anything. Don't remember

991
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 8: much about the fight, so it just Uh, I was

992
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 8: an autopilot, and luckily for me, autopilot is is wildly

993
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 8: entertaining and indomitable. But uh, you know, I think you'll

994
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 8: see ye I've shown shades of a you know, a

995
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 8: smart and sharp, composed and confident, more veteran and uh,

996
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 8: I think you'll see that on on Saturday next Saturday night,

997
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 8: May seventh.

998
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: And uh, but when I smell blood, I'm coming for

999
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: the finish.

1000
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 5: Alpha's right there.

1001
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: Well, there was an alpha on screen. I agree, I

1002
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: did see Luke.

1003
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: The main point of Chandler's answer there was he knows

1004
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: he he probably should fight a little bit more poised

1005
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: and controlled, knowing the advantages he believes he'll have in

1006
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: every category here against Tony, then the fighter we saw

1007
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: who was balls out in his last.

1008
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Two Let me let me ask this question because it

1009
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 2: relates to the question you asked, the one the debate

1010
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: we had about gay Chee and Olvera upfront. Would you

1011
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: agree in this particular case because Tony is Tony very unorthodox.

1012
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, uh creates a lot of defensive vulnerabilities, but

1013
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: it creates a lot of offensive uh fantastic conditions for him.

1014
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: Does in this case Chandler need to be what I'm

1015
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 2: prescribing for Gaichee, which is you have to be attack,

1016
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: you have to be offensive, but you gotta be real

1017
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: disciplined without it.

1018
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: I agree, because if you're asking me, could he go

1019
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: balls out like he always does and beat this version

1020
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: Tony Ferguson.

1021
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1022
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: You can also argue that going balls out, because Tony

1023
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: does fight in such an unpredictable style, could leave you

1024
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: open to mistakes. Again, you know, you don't want to

1025
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: make a mistake against Tony Ferguson. You know he can

1026
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: get on you and end it that quickly. I do agree,

1027
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: though this is this look be poised by calculs. They

1028
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: did look for the big counter shot because we know

1029
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: that Tony is just part of who he is man.

1030
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 5: He welcomes danger, sometimes too much, you know.

1031
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: He he he puts himself in spots where he's able

1032
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: to take your biggest shots, so then he can pull

1033
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: out a shrimp roll in iminari whatever, whatever you got,

1034
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: whatever you guys are getting in your bento boxes these days, Luke.

1035
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: But Masakazu Iminori is who it's named after.

1036
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: It does come down to how much can Tony, who

1037
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: seems to be mentally like refocused and he's angry and

1038
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: he said, you know, he said a year off and

1039
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: he's but like you said, he's got some gray, he's

1040
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: got the ball, you know, the hairlines going. I mean,

1041
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 3: he looks like a warrior who's been through the ship.

1042
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: Yep, he is, he is, he has been.

1043
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: How much can he turn back?

1044
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 5: Like you know, there's levels of turning back the clock.

1045
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: A win here the crop would go ape ship and

1046
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: it's in play it's he can win this fight. He's

1047
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 3: that good of a fighter. But Luke, how much damage

1048
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: is too much?

1049
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: Man? This is gonna be This is gonna tell us

1050
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: because Chandler, if nothing else, dishes it out. But I

1051
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: actually there. People think we're dismissing Tony's chances. We are

1052
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: acknowledging Tony's difficulties given the larger circumstances. Right, he is

1053
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: thirty eight years old, he is coming off of a

1054
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: string of three losses. Obviously it's very good, guys, but

1055
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: a string of three losses. He has absorbed a lot

1056
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: of damage. That fight against Gaechee was uniquely brutal. Right,

1057
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: these things can't count in his favor. They just they

1058
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: do not correspond to success by themselves. However, BC, you

1059
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: would also agree that Michael Chandler, while I would probably

1060
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: favor here, and I do think his favor what the

1061
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing with this mission impossible?

1062
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: Bullshit?

1063
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: In the middle of my point?

1064
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: Can you be polite to Ashley?

1065
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: She just gave you.

1066
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at Ashley, You're just you're like you

1067
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: lit a fire cracker and then a series of dominoes fell.

1068
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: Jake von Amsterdam stands up with a camera for what

1069
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: fucking reason.

1070
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1071
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Ashley is switching out apple boxes with you.

1072
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 3: I just wondering your coffee. I just wanted more coffee. Okay,

1073
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 3: all right?

1074
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: You know why is he fling that?

1075
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1076
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't direct this show.

1077
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm like, what the fuck.

1078
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: I look at the side of my face and there's

1079
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 4: just action. I don't like.

1080
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 5: Our life is a documentary.

1081
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I see that, I see that. What are we

1082
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: talking about? I don't fucking know. Oh yes, the only

1083
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: point out raised quickly to sum.

1084
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 4: It all up.

1085
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: Michael Chandler should win this fight and probably will win

1086
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: this fight. But Tony Ferguson's open style of offense and

1087
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: his ability to catch people with it. If Michael Chandler

1088
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: is really not minding his p's and q's, this is

1089
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 2: an open opportunity for him. Michael Chandler is there through

1090
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: his aggression, he creates openings. It's simply the way that

1091
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: it goes. He is so much more clever about it.

1092
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: I go back to the bodykick in the stand switch

1093
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: he had against Benson Henderson on his way out the

1094
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: door of Bellatore. Obviously, the look high look low switching

1095
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: up the stance to cash Dan Hooker. Dude, he is very,

1096
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: very crafty. But but if the fight goes long at all,

1097
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: he will relax those standards. And that is really the

1098
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: task for Tony Ferguson. As you finish your whatever this was.

1099
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 2: I just mean, he seems like, hey, can we stage

1100
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: a high school play.

1101
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 4: To my left while the show is on?

1102
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

1103
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: We'll be doing our town at Summerstock this year.

1104
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 4: I want to see Taming of the Shrew.

1105
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, wow, I'm drinking this black too, Luke, I

1106
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 3: bet you are. If Tony Ferguson is able to pull

1107
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: off this type of emotional, dramatic victory is the most

1108
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: likely scenario when Chandler takes him down or knocks him

1109
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: down the composition. Are you vulnerable against the submission ability

1110
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: because soon can pull out of nowhere?

1111
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, and no, I don't know that Tony can submit.

1112
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Michael Chandler mean yes, Michael Chandler could be submitted, But

1113
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: you got to remember Eddie Alvarez had Chandler's back for

1114
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: a long time. In their remains, it's big, and the

1115
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: big one I would go back to is who is

1116
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: Bellator's version of Charles Olivera. It doesn't quite line up,

1117
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: but the closest thing, at least the old version. No,

1118
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: it'd be Gliciyamuchi, who's a very It has a ridiculous guard.

1119
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 2: He has a super good guard, and Chandler was able

1120
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: to fight him inside of the guard without getting submitted.

1121
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: It didn't create for the most excitement, but he can

1122
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: do it. He cann of would submission. However, however, that's

1123
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: not the point. The point is could Ferguson use it

1124
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: to create a scramble? Could he use it to create

1125
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: a reversal right where he now gets on top, or

1126
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: then he can get to the back. He can create

1127
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: back exposure. That to me is very much in play,

1128
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: but by itself, submitting him from guard unlikely.

1129
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: Gimme, Chandler, give me a third round. Tko Luke. I

1130
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: hope Tony doesn't get hurt. I would pop just as

1131
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: anyone else would for a Tony resurgence here. I have

1132
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: really no idea what to expect, except for feeling that

1133
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: dread as we talked about the other day.

1134
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: What do you see?

1135
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, just as a disclaimer, you should not listen to

1136
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: my predictions because they're not very good. But again, to

1137
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: the best of my assessment, I'm probably gonna go, Michael Chandler.

1138
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go as late as you.

1139
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that he actually gets a stoppage

1140
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: here in the second round, could be a ref stoppage

1141
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: where he's nothing to think about.

1142
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: Dude, we haven't even talked about this. Does the ref

1143
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: go into this fight?

1144
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: And I know what they're supposed to do, which is

1145
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: take all these things neutrally, but they're not supposed to

1146
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: take it neutral. If you were the referee in the

1147
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: Evander Holyfield vtor belfour boxing match, you're not going to

1148
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: treat Evander like he's twenty five old a hand.

1149
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: You're referencing it so quickly, I don't know it even happened.

1150
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm not here to say that this is

1151
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: that Tony Ferguson should be compared to Evander. Not even close.

1152
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. He's still a top ten

1153
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: ranked fighter. But what I am saying is if the

1154
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: abuse starts to get bad and if it goes downhill,

1155
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: these are big f's by the way, Tony Ferguson can

1156
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: deal to too. But we're operating under the assumption that

1157
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: it's going bad. Does the referee intervene a little earlier

1158
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: because he is a thirty eight year old fighter. Yeah,

1159
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: and he's coming off three losses in a row. Like,

1160
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: if you're the referee, that might be in play too,

1161
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: So I'm going to say second round win Michael Chandler.

1162
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: Chandler's dangerous, but he's dangerous to him, so that's always

1163
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: something to think about as well.

1164
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: Oh just want to note this too, but this should

1165
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 4: put point.

1166
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: I'm talking a lot of chat and going to what's

1167
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 5: going on?

1168
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 3: I know, just is camera guy doing his own podcast.

1169
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: Over hear me?

1170
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1171
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: This is called the Whisper Podcast. It's actually the most

1172
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: popular one in this building. Four point nine eight strike

1173
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: some sore permitted from Michael Chandler, three point seven eight

1174
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: for Tony. Both of those are high, but Michael Chandler

1175
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: does take on average more damage.

1176
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: We got to keep the show moving, Luke, because we

1177
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: got big business. Hey, by the way, we had the

1178
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: raining and defending UFC champion right there yesterday.

1179
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: We sure did yesterday and it went great.

1180
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 3: More to come on that. Look anything else on this

1181
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: fight card. We hit up the storylines on Wednesday. Do

1182
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: you want to make any picks? Do you want to

1183
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: circle in on one bout above all else that'll tell

1184
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: us something important?

1185
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 9: Um?

1186
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, that great idea. Let's keep the show moving. Okay.

1187
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: Big Time Boxing is also back this Saturday to his

1188
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: own pay per view. They've gone full on into that area,

1189
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: and Canela Alvarez is back after the one off with

1190
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: the PBC to fight Caleb Plant. He'll move back up

1191
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: to light heavyweight this Saturday, Team Mobile Arena, Las Vegas

1192
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: against Dmitri Bevall. If you don't know anything about Dmitri Bevall,

1193
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: he is your unbeaten WBA one hundred and seventy five

1194
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 3: pound champion from Russia.

1195
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 5: He's uh, He's gonna have.

1196
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: A four inch high advantage at two and a half

1197
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 3: inch reach advantage against Canelo. He's thirty one years old,

1198
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: like Canelo in his absolute prime. But Luke, the key

1199
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: thing I've been talking about this week, nobody looks good

1200
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: against Dmitri Bevall. So like of all the options Canelo had,

1201
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: we rightfully praise him for going out of his way

1202
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: to take on this super difficult fight against one of

1203
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 3: the best pure boxers in this game who controls distance

1204
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: and no one win or lose, lose. He's never lost,

1205
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: but no one looks good against him. Dude, this is

1206
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: like kind of high trap fight potential. Nobody's fucking noticing

1207
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: or caring at this time.

1208
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: Now, we did say that about Dillion White and he

1209
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 2: just got fucking smoked. So why is this different?

1210
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: Because I asked certain things of Dillion White that just

1211
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: wasn't there on this day. Like I knew he would

1212
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: going to try to push a pace, which would be

1213
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: his best chance to win. He has punching power, but

1214
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: he was gonna have to get off combinations and shots

1215
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: to make it a brawl, and he just was overwhelmed

1216
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: by the gap and technique.

1217
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 4: Also, he was the smaller of the two, and here

1218
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: was the smaller of the two.

1219
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 3: He kind of froze too to some degree. But Beval

1220
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: Luke is you know, huge amateur background. He's born in

1221
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: Kyrgyzstan when it was under Russian control, and I believe

1222
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: his parents are are of Moldovian and maybe Korean, yes,

1223
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: And he is you know, two time amateur glow you know,

1224
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 3: world champion, but he boxes from the outside great jab Statistically,

1225
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: the lands the most jabs for around of anybody that

1226
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: compee box counts in the entire sport, but doesn't put

1227
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: himself in places to get hit nope at all.

1228
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 5: Really, you know what I mean.

1229
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: Like, he's fair to say he has a very refined,

1230
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 2: very effective, but very basic offense.

1231
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 3: So when we're talking about like, well maybe Billy Joe

1232
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: Saunders can kind of slow down the fight and do

1233
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: certain things to Cane, or maybe Caleb Plant with the quickness,

1234
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: can outwork him, this is a different what if, meaning

1235
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna have to do something that Canal has

1236
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: never seen. Right, But let's not forget Canelo's moving up

1237
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: and wait and fighting a natural light heavyweight here. Even

1238
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: though Bevall is not a big puncher, if he can

1239
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: take control of the terms of the fight and keep

1240
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: on the outside, he's so accurate, his combinations are beautiful.

1241
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 3: He goes to the body grate and Luke most importantly

1242
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: in that scenario is defensively, he's the best fighter in

1243
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: the game. Statistically, he stands in first place.

1244
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 5: On those compu box statistics of fewest.

1245
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 3: Punches landed by their opponents and the plus minus thing

1246
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: that you see in hockey. They boxing does that as

1247
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: well in terms of showing you how good your defense

1248
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: is in relation to your offense.

1249
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 5: He's number one in the game.

1250
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: He's ahead of like Fury and Canelo and Lomoncheko, Like

1251
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: he is beevall like the most efficient in control of

1252
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: what he's doing out there. And so Canelo's the smaller

1253
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: guy who's gonna have to push that pace, gonna have

1254
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: to be the biggest puncher. You're gonna have to get

1255
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: inside and go to the body. But I almost have

1256
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: some weird even though it's a different scenario Pakio Ugas

1257
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: feels meaning it was supposed to be Pacio against Spence

1258
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: a couple of years back or last year.

1259
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 5: You know, Spence pulls out.

1260
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: Ugas was the wrong even though Canelo and pachiarn in

1261
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: the same situation in their careers, Ugas was the wrong

1262
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: guy to fight last minute Like that was so much

1263
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: as you know, like at stake there, he's just too

1264
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: good technically.

1265
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: A question coming at some point.

1266
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, this fuels like that has that potential. Do you

1267
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: do you have that same field?

1268
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: No? I do not.

1269
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: You think Canelo eventually finds a way in here.

1270
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: Here is the basic way I see this fight. Take

1271
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: her for what it's worth, probably little. But the best

1272
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: assessment I can have is everything you said about bevol

1273
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: is correct. It's a great job he's got. I mean,

1274
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: it's just phenomenal. It can do a lot range fine,

1275
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: it can pump it with some power. It can be effective,

1276
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: it can be consistent, It does a lot, It serves

1277
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: a lot of function, establishes range the whole nine yards.

1278
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: But he does not have a lot of creativity behind it.

1279
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 2: After that, it becomes a very basic game out of one, twos,

1280
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: one two threes.

1281
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 4: But he is not a razzle dazzle kind of.

1282
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 5: He'll throw three four punch combinations.

1283
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying he's not a combination puncher, but

1284
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: there's nothing especially creative about them. He's just got hardcore,

1285
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: well established basics, and that's why he's undefeated, and that's

1286
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: why he's good. Please don't mass When I say basics,

1287
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: people think that means bad. No, he's fundamental, but it

1288
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: means it means everything about him is very sharp. But

1289
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: there's just not a whole lot to that. I think

1290
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: a guy like Canelo, you you marvel at his power,

1291
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: You marvel at the fact that he's never been knocked down,

1292
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: I mean, a fucking rock chin.

1293
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: But the thing that I think gets lost.

1294
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: In all of it is, dude, he is one of

1295
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: the smartest fighters that we have. Maybe Bud Crawford's number one,

1296
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, but Canelo' not talking about pump pun rankings,

1297
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: but just who is creative and sharp and incisive. Canelo

1298
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: is a fucking genius.

1299
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: I mean he figures out how to how to how

1300
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: to get inside eventually on everyone and get them the

1301
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: hell out.

1302
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: That's right.

1303
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 4: So what do I mean.

1304
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have to rally in this fight

1305
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: a little bit because I actually think that Bevoll's JABB

1306
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: two start is going to be a major problem for him,

1307
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: as it is from all the guys that Beevll has

1308
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: literally ever fought, no one's ever really figured out a

1309
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: way to work around, at least for enough to get

1310
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: the W. So I think Canelo's gonna have to fight

1311
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: out of a deficit. But a guy as creative and

1312
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: clever and sharp by the way, remember Eddie Reinoso, creative

1313
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: and clever and sharp, they are going to have. I

1314
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 2: think by the mid rounds that fight is gonna turn

1315
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: And I think in the end, it's gonna be Canelo,

1316
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: which is fucking crazy to say, but I think Canelo

1317
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: is actually gonna win a decision here pretty cleanly.

1318
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 3: Wow, all right, I talked to both Canelo and Beevill.

1319
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: Canelo compare compares Bevall to a mixture of Sergei Kovlev.

1320
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: Which is the last time Canola fall at this wake

1321
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: last three years ago when Canela won the WBC title

1322
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: by knockout and then vacated it. But Covelev used the

1323
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: jab to kind of outbox Canelo from it.

1324
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 4: And it worked until it didn't.

1325
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: Until it didn't. You know, some people had cove Lev

1326
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: ahead or even at that point, and glove Can because

1327
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: even though Glovekin's a much bigger puncher, glove Can knows

1328
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: how to use distance and technique like Beevall to set

1329
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: up as punch beople not as devastating against other light

1330
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: heavyweights as a puncher. But let's not also not forget

1331
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: like Candelo's moving up and wait again, and he's only

1332
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: fought one guy at one seventy five, and that was Coelev,

1333
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 3: who can crack but didn't go for in that fight,

1334
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: really just fought safe and conservative. At some point Luke

1335
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Canelo is gonna have to hit a wall or meet

1336
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: a guy with just big pop where he goes I

1337
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: can't get through that. But dude, he's not putting limits

1338
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: on himself. So let's go to Canelo right now, in

1339
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: which I asked him, you already talked about maybe going

1340
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: up to cruiserweight and something we can get into in

1341
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: a minute, even talk about maybe fighting at heavyweight for

1342
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: the title against Usik. When will the wall hit you?

1343
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 3: When will enough be too much where you feel like

1344
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: you know this power is stopping you from winning?

1345
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: Ah?

1346
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 6: No, I don't remember never, never in my life. One

1347
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 6: time when I when I fought the brother of Kotto,

1348
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 6: maybe like a little mean my legs, but I don't

1349
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 6: feel anything in my head.

1350
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: So maybe that was actually Canelo talking about whether he's

1351
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: ever been hurt. Luke, he said, I asked him specifically

1352
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: about triple G as the follow up, and he's like, no, no, Now,

1353
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, I don't remember never been hurt. Only he

1354
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: referenced that twenty ten you know hook from Jose Miguelkoto.

1355
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: But the other answer that I was trying to tee

1356
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: up there is Canelo just says, look, there's no limits, man,

1357
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: there's no limits. And it's like you you love that

1358
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: about him, but eventually he's going to meet somebody who

1359
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: either punches it too hard or can control the terms

1360
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 3: of the fight too much. That like watching old Pakio

1361
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: trying to rally against Ugas and it was an uphill battle. Again,

1362
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: there's not old Pachio, it's Canelo. But dude, this guy

1363
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: can hold the fort down. This guy's ready to go

1364
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: twelve rounds with you.

1365
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: This is this is why I take that seriously because

1366
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: again you go to the Covi Left fight. Dude, if

1367
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: that I mean, who's to say what would have happened

1368
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: had had the knockdown stoppage not happened. You know it did,

1369
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: and it did for a very good reason. But to

1370
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: Beisie's point, up until that fight, do Canelo was lose.

1371
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: He was losing that contest. Now that's not so much.

1372
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: Maybe you could say that with Billy Joe Saunders and

1373
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: some other ones, But like there's been a lot of

1374
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: times where I've seen I thought Arislondi Laura was beating him.

1375
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: You know, I was like, you know, and what I'm

1376
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: pointing out is Canelo courts danger, not just in a

1377
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: theoretical sense. In a literal sense, he's down on the cards.

1378
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: He's going to a bigger weight class. He is, you know,

1379
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: can't find an opponent who's on the move or whatever.

1380
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: He really embraces it, and yet with the exception of

1381
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: fucking Mayweather, He's problem solves around it. This is why

1382
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: I go back to It's like, with a guy as

1383
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: good as Beval but as conventional as bev All, it

1384
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: is very difficult for me to believe a guy this

1385
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: smart and Canelo can't figure that out.

1386
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 4: I think he does well.

1387
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: I did ask him about constantly challenging himself, and I

1388
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: think he gave me probably the best answer that sums

1389
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: it up right, is he has to do this to

1390
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: get the adrenaline rush. Like he as much as we

1391
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: wanted to see him against Benavitez at one sixty eight

1392
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: or Charlo moving up, that doesn't move him as much.

1393
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: It's taking these challenges that produces the best versions of

1394
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: him that we've ever and it's admirable. But again, one

1395
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: of these days he's going to run into a challenge.

1396
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: Too far now for beev All to be that challenge, though, Luke,

1397
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: he's got to be offensive If there's any criticism of Bevall,

1398
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 3: it's that he's too safe and too willing to fight

1399
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: people at distance and control those terms. Obviously, it's up

1400
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 3: to Canelo to take away those terms. If Canelo can

1401
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: meet him on an equal ground, bev All has to

1402
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: show an offensive spark to him that we haven't really

1403
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: seen out of him. I asked him that. I said,

1404
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: sometimes you fight too safe. Can you fight anti safe

1405
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: in the moment? And he the moment if you need

1406
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: you against Canelo, let's see what he said.

1407
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 9: Well, sometimes if you are if you are good, if

1408
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 9: you are doing good, something at it and this is

1409
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 9: fine to win the fight, you should do it again.

1410
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 9: And sometimes it's not enough and you have to create

1411
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 9: something new, something You have to take something from your

1412
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 9: deep you know, and show it in the ring. And

1413
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 9: some opponents do it with you.

1414
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have to.

1415
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 5: Show it more.

1416
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 9: And I think Canelo, this is that fight where you

1417
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 9: have to show all all of dmitriy view.

1418
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: Luke, he's willing to show all of it for the

1419
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 3: first time. He said, he's inspiring. He's had to. I

1420
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: asked him if he's ever had to show all of

1421
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: it before in a pro fight in this interview, and

1422
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 3: he said not yet. Do you believe enough that he

1423
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: knows enough of what showing it all looks like and

1424
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: feels like that if he gets to that level and

1425
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: he's got to go for it against Canelo, that a

1426
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: he can he can do it and be effective with it,

1427
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: and that it will have any impact on Canelo if

1428
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: we see as offensive a version of Bevall as we

1429
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 3: have ever seen. Could that be too much? Is that

1430
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 3: going to be the wall that Canelo can potentially hit?

1431
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that could be. I just feel like what

1432
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: I have to see to make me think that people

1433
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: has the chance is not to see a good range

1434
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: and a good movement. He's got to like stick it

1435
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: to Canelo.

1436
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 4: Right.

1437
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: That's the thing that covial V couldn't quite get over

1438
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: the hump with vellev couldn't commit to throwing the right hand,

1439
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: which would get him those moments, because he knew he

1440
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: would get countered in his chin right. And Callum Smith

1441
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: didn't have anything for him in that regard. Neither did

1442
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: Billy Joe Saunders in that regard. Neither front they did

1443
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant in that regard. Either.

1444
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: No one really has been able to Triple G was

1445
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 4: like the only one you ever.

1446
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: Saw like really whip his head or whatever if it

1447
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: says it doesn't hurt him, and at least these were

1448
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: powerful impacts that clearly had a demonstrative effect. People has

1449
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: got to get a little bit of that, dude, because honestly,

1450
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: without it, I don't I don't see how he wins.

1451
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: So the point I'm trying to make it there's you know,

1452
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: could that cause trouble? Yeah for sure, it could for

1453
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: sure if he's got a real offensive mind and these

1454
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: punches are having imagine like, you know what, I've never

1455
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: really seen I've never seen Canelo's single eye swoll up,

1456
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Swell up the face, dude,

1457
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: Like do something to him to make him really be like,

1458
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: oh shit, I am.

1459
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: In another way, it's because we're not seeing people consistently

1460
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: sting Canalos.

1461
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 5: We're seeing jabs, we're seeing body shops.

1462
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: And because Canelo's head movement and his ability to roll

1463
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: and his incredible if.

1464
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: Canelo, and especially in the first half of this fight,

1465
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: if when he does attempt, I think Cano is going

1466
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 3: to be willing to give up rounds to make his reads,

1467
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: like like Floyd did but when Canelo starts to.

1468
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 5: Make his move, if he's met with stiff.

1469
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: Accurate combinations, that can end up Luke overtime producing the

1470
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 3: swollen eye or the damage that we don't see Canelo

1471
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: ever endure. Dude, by mid round, By mid fight, you're

1472
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: you're going to see uh, some some major adjustments needed

1473
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: to be made, and the excitement is going to go up. Luke,

1474
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, dude, I'm picking the upside here. Well,

1475
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: I think people all can do this. I think he's

1476
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: better than we've seen. And Luke, he's not somebody that

1477
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: hasn't beaten anybody. He's you know, he beat Joe Smith Junior,

1478
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: who's now a champion and going to fight Better Beef

1479
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: to unify. He beat all the guys, you know, former champion,

1480
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: Gim Pascali, be all the guys in a row that

1481
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: who is available to him that.

1482
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 5: You would want him to fight.

1483
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: And again, sometimes it's boring, but dude, he's always in

1484
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: control of these fights. I think he's one of those

1485
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: guys that when pressed going to see another level, it's

1486
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: going to have to be by decision.

1487
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 5: He's not gonna knock Canelo out.

1488
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 3: There's a long history of people getting the you know,

1489
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: feeling like they've out boxed Canelo, and then the judges

1490
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: say otherwise.

1491
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 5: I just think this is that that reached too far.

1492
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 5: Remember when out Asanya.

1493
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: Was saying in the UFC, I'm gonna move up to

1494
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: I can move up to light heavyweight and take the

1495
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: title from Blokhovich. And I think I can even go

1496
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 3: to heavyweight and fight John Jones for the heavyweight title.

1497
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 3: We were like, I think maybe he could, and you know,

1498
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 3: maybe he's still could, but like, maybe he could. And

1499
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: then you know, he went up Luke and he and

1500
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 3: he got humbled and it wasn't domination, but he got humbled.

1501
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: The Canalo is gonna get humbled a little bit here.

1502
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 4: Can't say that's wrong, can't say that's crazy. I disagree.

1503
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 4: I think Canelo's going to figure out a way.

1504
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 3: But later already split mee.

1505
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: The later rounds are going to be very telling. The

1506
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 4: early rounds.

1507
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: I'll say this, would you agree if Beevall's not winning

1508
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 2: the early rounds, that's a bad sign. Yes, yeah, yes,

1509
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: So let's see if Beevall starts winning the early rounds,

1510
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: that is how it kind of.

1511
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: She's got to win seven rounds, so he's got to

1512
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: make sure he counts them early.

1513
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 5: Three or four of those are coming in the first half.

1514
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: That's right, it's a good point. So let's let's be

1515
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: pay attention to that. Bit's up to Canelo to problem

1516
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: solvea We'll see if you can do it.

1517
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: Minus five p fifty Canelo. Right now, you're betting favorite

1518
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: to meet you Bevel plus four hundred, So I think.

1519
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 4: We in boxing is that's pretty good.

1520
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 5: That's close for Canal.

1521
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: The only people that had closer odds against Canelo were Glovekin,

1522
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: who was favorite in one but not the other of

1523
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 3: their two fights against him, and Danny Jacobs was just

1524
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: a small underdog against him. And look, Glovekin's the only

1525
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: one to ever really have major success against Canelo outside

1526
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 3: of Floyd and Danny Jacobs did push him to a

1527
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 3: loss on the scorecards seven five, seven, five eighty four.

1528
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 3: I scored that fight at draw. I thought Jacobs was

1529
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 3: in that fight as a boxer. So when Canelo does

1530
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: fight a certain level of fight or a boxer who

1531
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 3: has these skills, it's close. I'm telling you, all right, Luke,

1532
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: let's keep it going here before we land this ship.

1533
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 3: Showtime this late afternoon from Paris, Lucas that I think

1534
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: a four pm Eastern main start, main card time start

1535
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 3: only on Showtime. It's Bellatoor two eighty and it's a

1536
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: rematch for the heavyweight title. Check Kongo back at home

1537
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: in Paris. First time he fought Ryan Bader for the

1538
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: heavyweight crown, we saw a no contest, an accidental foul.

1539
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 3: Now you've got Ryan Bater as a minus five to

1540
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: ten favorite in this rematch. Check Congo plus three seventy

1541
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 3: five luke decent homecoming story. I guess for Congo to

1542
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 3: go back to Paris and have a chance to fight

1543
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: for a title. He already did go back to Paris

1544
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: and have a chance but lost. What Tomoldowski was or

1545
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: Tim Johnson one of the two that would have given

1546
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: him a shot. Nice story, but this isn't This isn't

1547
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 3: gonna be a fight, right, This isn't gonna be a

1548
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: fun or competitive fight. This is Roy Bears got this

1549
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 3: shit right, Like.

1550
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 4: How you're selling this to the fans. This will either

1551
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 4: be fun nor no.

1552
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: No, I mean the matchup it is.

1553
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 4: We should be honest with him too.

1554
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how fun this will be

1555
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: it sort of is a function of Bater's not readiness

1556
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: per se. But what he's got left?

1557
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: Has he gone because of the losses at light heavyweight?

1558
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 3: Has that affected his stock at his age to the

1559
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: level where is he still the best military heavyweight?

1560
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: We don't know, right, So the wins that got Congo

1561
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: here which are surprising, the ones that are not surprising

1562
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: because he beat Augusto Sakai.

1563
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 4: Dude, it's amazing.

1564
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 2: I watched who was his name, Ustafa al Turk fight

1565
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 2: Chick Congo once in the UFC, and then Joe Rogan

1566
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: made fun of their names because they just sounded so crazy.

1567
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: Like I watched Pat Berry versus Chich Congo live. It

1568
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: is fucking remarkable that Chick Congo, who's like, what how.

1569
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 4: Old is check?

1570
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 5: Think he's forty six like something.

1571
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 3: You just can't believe that he consistently won under He's

1572
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: got a lot of Bellator wins.

1573
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: So he lost Mohamed la Wall back in twenty fifteen.

1574
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: Since then, he beat Alexander Volkov, Venizius Kiraz, Tony Johnson, Junior,

1575
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: Only Thompson UFC VT, Augusto Sakai top ten or fifteen

1576
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: UFC Heavyweight Javea Yalla, longtime guy's been around. Then Tim Johnson,

1577
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: then Batally Minikov, and then serge He Haratonov. He finished

1578
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: with a motherfucking shoke. He did lose to Tim Johnson

1579
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: along the way. Dude, that's not bad at all.

1580
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: He's still solid.

1581
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: I cannot believe.

1582
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: Here's the problem though, And I don't look at the

1583
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 3: age as like a major detriment, although he's all the shit,

1584
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 3: but he's stayed at a pretty high level. Bater's most

1585
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: recent fight after those light heavyweight losses was against the

1586
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 3: interim champion, Valentine Moldowski, and I think if Baiter wasn't

1587
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 3: still going to be that guy, that would have been

1588
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 3: the fight that showed us. Dude, Bader did what he

1589
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: had to do in that one.

1590
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 4: He did what he had to do.

1591
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, I he's still the only Yeah,

1592
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: check Congo. What he's done has been impressive and the

1593
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: longevity is like kind of shocking, because I gotta tell you,

1594
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: I left him on the side of the mental road

1595
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: about thinking about him as irrelevant heavyweight probably after that

1596
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: lost to the walls, like oh right, this is this,

1597
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: this experiment is over and here the fuck he is.

1598
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: You just cannot believe it, So I will. You must

1599
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: grant him respect for that. You must grant him. That

1600
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: is a very impressive thing that he's done. The only

1601
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: way Bader should lose this is if he fights like

1602
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: a jackass, which I don't expect that he will, or

1603
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 2: he has passed it. Other than that, this is Ryan

1604
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: Baterer's fight to lose, because it's impressive what Check has done.

1605
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: But an in shape, still viable baiter at heavyweight should

1606
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 2: win this one ten times.

1607
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it's worth watching here for the potential to

1608
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 3: see in uh check Congo, who we've we've always respected.

1609
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I feel like he's What was his

1610
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 3: first UFC fight?

1611
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: I feel like it was a long so I actually

1612
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: that's a great question. I mean, I think it might

1613
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: have been the Mustafa Alturk fight. No, I'm wrong, Gesez.

1614
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 3: I mean as far back as like UFC sixty.

1615
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 4: He made Jesus fucking he made.

1616
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.

1617
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 4: I know he's trying to work on that.

1618
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, BC.

1619
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be a nice guy.

1620
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,879
Speaker 2: Gilbert al donal Donna, who, by the way, tragically drowned

1621
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: years later. What number card was that UFC sixty one,

1622
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: Damn Christian Welsh at UFC A sixty two. Then Carmelo

1623
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: Morrera who was a pretty good fighter as well, good wrestler,

1624
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: USC sixty four, Asuario Silva.

1625
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 4: He fought crow Cop and beat him.

1626
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he feels like many UFC generations ago. Yet

1627
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: look if he wins a major, you know, world championship,

1628
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 3: which this would be in his hometown, Dude.

1629
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 5: This can be a moment.

1630
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen to his winses real quickly.

1631
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 2: Dan Evanson, Mustafa Alturk, Anthony Hardock, a very good striker

1632
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: and now striking coach, Paul Blentello, Pat Berry, Matt mittri On,

1633
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: Sean Jordan, Mark Godbeer, Peter Graham, Eric Smith, LeVar Johnson.

1634
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 4: Then we went to the one's vocal. Very well he had.

1635
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 4: He literally had one of the most exciting USC fights

1636
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 4: of all time.

1637
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: Like, dude, give Chick Kongo a little bit of respect,

1638
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: thank you, although he has been boring a shit at

1639
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: that time.

1640
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 3: Luke, this co main event could get interesting here, you'll.

1641
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 3: Romero was supposed to be fighting Melvin Man who who

1642
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: had to plot in the fight was it? Did he did?

1643
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 3: He stop a robbery and there's something related to that.

1644
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: Somebody tried to carjack him, yes as something, and he

1645
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: held him until the cops got there. I was like,

1646
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: that's the fucking wrong guy to fuck with.

1647
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 3: So he's out of this fight.

1648
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 5: But easy Polizei is in.

1649
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: Alex Polizi. Luke is a plus one forty five underdog,

1650
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 3: decent fighter. He's solid against a minus one sixty five

1651
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 3: Romero Luke. Against Phil Davis, we saw an old yoel limitations.

1652
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: You know, he's moving up and he's moving back up

1653
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 3: to this division. What do you expect to see though,

1654
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 3: this time against a a less formidable opponent for sure,

1655
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 3: but but not a not a scrub.

1656
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: But you know, it's amazing to me, and you know

1657
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 2: you can you can blame whoever you want for this,

1658
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 2: but we should acknowledge that, like there was a lot

1659
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 2: of hype about Romero coming over to Bellatour and there

1660
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: is virtually no coverage of him this heading into this rematch. Now,

1661
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: is that because of the nature of the loss to

1662
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: Phil Davis, Probably right, and you know they wouldn't get

1663
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: the rumble fight. We didn't get the right we didn't

1664
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: get the tournament for for Romero, and by the way,

1665
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna favorite Romero to win here, I think the

1666
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: odds makers do.

1667
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 3: But what is he gonna wrestle?

1668
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't rustle well police, he's I'm not gonna say

1669
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: his only way to win, but his best way to

1670
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: win be through submissions. He has a big submission threat.

1671
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: He's got heel hooks, he's got on bars here, good

1672
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: stuff on his record, but which you know, Romero is

1673
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 2: going to be very difficult to submit. So I would

1674
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: favor Romero to win. But at the same time, like

1675
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: I cannot believe the situation from Romero, you know, has

1676
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: a case against Izzy in their fight too. Now he's

1677
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: fighting Alex Polizi in Paris, which is a fine fight,

1678
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: but the fanfare, the lack of fanfare for it is tragic.

1679
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 4: You're right.

1680
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 3: I still like to see him against Rumble if Rumble's

1681
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: gonna end up coming back, but it doesn't have that

1682
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: same sex appeal it had when it was kicking off

1683
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 3: the tournament.

1684
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 4: I'll say this, I mean, listen, two to five is

1685
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 4: better for him.

1686
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't look quite as physically imposing because he you know,

1687
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: he does twenty pounds of fat on him or more.

1688
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: But the point being is. I do think it's gonna

1689
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: help with the weight cut. I still think he's gonna

1690
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: be athletic. I still he's gonna be able to move well.

1691
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: His defense is pretty sound, man. His defensive wrestling is good.

1692
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 3: Is when he goes into that offensive mode where he's

1693
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 3: only gonna throw strikes if he feels like he can

1694
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: finish you with it. And his you know, speed is

1695
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 3: slowly diminishing and always moving up. I get that, But

1696
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 3: if he's not going to be active Luke, the fights are,

1697
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 3: he's not using to have problems winning rounds in close fights,

1698
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 3: and I don't know if they're gonna be that exciting

1699
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 3: we kind of needed.

1700
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 2: But remember, like Phil is the ultimate example of shut

1701
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 2: down all absolutely with his wrestling and his striking. Like

1702
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: Phil makes it look frankly boring, but it's so effective.

1703
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people can't do what Phil can do.

1704
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 5: You were telling me you were into this Lorenz Lark

1705
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 5: and Kyle Stewart.

1706
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout to Kyle Stewart who was over there in Paris.

1707
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: Kyle Stewart served in two seven. I had a lot

1708
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: of friends who served in two seven. It's one of

1709
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: the uh in the Marines in the Marines. It's one

1710
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: of the top uh sort of infantry units that is

1711
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: known to exist. And he thought he did multiple combat

1712
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: tours and he's got all kinds of you know, I

1713
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 2: love a moto USMC tattoos anyway. You know, I'm always

1714
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: going to have a bit of a soft spot for

1715
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: guys like that. And he I've been following him on Instagram.

1716
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't follow a lot of fighters. And you know, listen,

1717
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: he got out of the UFC and was kind of

1718
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: like toiling in the regional scene. He was in the

1719
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: I think of LFA, but he fought the UFC vent

1720
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: in his last fight in New Orleans. But he'd been

1721
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: kind of up and down the regional scene. But he

1722
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: finally put together a pretty a pretty decent win streak

1723
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 2: or win combination and he got called back up to

1724
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: the big show.

1725
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 4: He was gonna say that if he didn't make it

1726
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 4: to the Big Show, he might have hung it up

1727
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 4: all together.

1728
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: So he finally got back to Beltore and then within

1729
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: they made this fight on shore notice in Paris against

1730
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 2: Lorenz Larkin.

1731
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 4: He just took it. I really respect how we you know,

1732
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 4: stay saved this.

1733
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 2: Car to not saved the car but you know, added

1734
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: a decent piece of remained for Lorenz Larkin to stay

1735
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 2: on there, brought himself back to the big show. It's

1736
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 2: a tough assignment, Let's be honest about it. Lorenz Larkin again,

1737
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, where was the fan fare from him from

1738
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: UFC to Beltour.

1739
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 4: It seems to have evaporated. But he's still a.

1740
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 2: Very very good striker, very good athlete. It's a tough

1741
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: fight for Kyle Stewart.

1742
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 3: Larkin's a minus four to ten favorite, Kyle Stewart plus

1743
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 3: three ten. Do those odds change if Mike Bill Tranon's

1744
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 3: up reving this, I don't know. I mean, Kyle Stewart,

1745
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 3: if for no other reason, Alan has wearing Semper five

1746
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 3: co Kyle sponsors. How it's her clothing, I think.

1747
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: But the point is is, if for no other reason,

1748
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: coming in late notice is just going to make this

1749
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: a really difficult fight for Kyle. And then you add

1750
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: in the fact that Lorenz is a really good striker. Yes,

1751
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: it's you know, Lorenz deserves to be favored here. But

1752
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 2: I like Kyle Stewart a lot and hope, hope he

1753
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: does well.

1754
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 3: PFL back tonight as well, Luke, And in the main event,

1755
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 3: the face of the franchise, Kayla Harrison, who you also

1756
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: talked to this past week.

1757
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 5: I don't know if we are we throwing her from

1758
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 5: Kayla Son and we don't know.

1759
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,839
Speaker 3: No, we don't have that, Luke. She's a minus thirty

1760
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 3: five hundred favorite against Marina. I will land this plane, maniatcha, Okay,

1761
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 3: I will. She's like, Yo, we gotta get the fuck

1762
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 3: out of I'm like, yo, you're talking about Soley fucking

1763
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 3: Sullenberger right here.

1764
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 4: This bitch on the Hudson.

1765
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 3: Her name is Marina Mack not Keina.

1766
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: She's a S fifteen hundred sambo champion.

1767
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 3: We expect Kayla to absolutely dominate and then talk trash

1768
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: about about Cyborg in uh women she can't fight and

1769
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: yeah and paying, Yeah, that's not her fault. We've been like, no,

1770
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 3: you had a great chat with her. Was there was

1771
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: I'd love to get her in studio.

1772
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1773
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: I've had her in studio one time before. She's great.

1774
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 5: All right, domination, Thank you, Luke.

1775
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: Great Cooper the third though, who was what won two

1776
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 3: different welterweight season championships and is the defending champion. He's

1777
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 3: a minus three eighty favorite over Carlos Lele. But Cooper

1778
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: missed weight by four point five pounds.

1779
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: That's a red flag of all.

1780
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 5: So that's that's not a good time to do that.

1781
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 4: No, that's like that almost.

1782
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: Certainly says either I have desperately underprepared for this five.

1783
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 5: Sorry five point four pounds.

1784
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: I had that wrong five point four for you, I

1785
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 2: mean you're halfway to the next weight class. I mean

1786
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 2: not in his case, because he'd be one seventy one

1787
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: eighty five. But you get the idea, dude, that's something

1788
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,520
Speaker 2: explaining to dude, that's you. You something either went tragically

1789
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 2: wrong in fight camp or you have a very bad

1790
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 2: injury that you're hiding.

1791
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 3: Anthony Pettis is back in the lightweight tournament. He'll be

1792
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 3: taking a Miles Price Bettus a minus three zero five favorite,

1793
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 3: and also Rory McDonald back in the welterweight bracket.

1794
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 4: John Danaher in his corner.

1795
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 3: He's a minus three sixty five favorite against Brett Cooper's.

1796
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 4: Cooper gonna Cooper Beltore Vett. Yeah, he's still ptty.

1797
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 3: Good, Okay, Luke Julia bud on that undercard against Jory

1798
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: should win.

1799
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,440
Speaker 5: But you know, Glson.

1800
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 3: Tebows back on that undercart. Okay, thank you, sweet Larissa Pacheco,

1801
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: also on the main CARDO minus nine hundred favorite. You

1802
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 3: don't care about all right, Luke? Keep the motor churnin here.

1803
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 3: How about this for a potential fight announcement. Not only

1804
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 3: is Alexander Volkanowski your UFC featherweight champion, God, he wants

1805
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 3: all the smoke Luke Max Holloway for a third time.

1806
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 3: As soon as July second, according to reports, I saw

1807
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 3: Bredo komotive was all over this. Ariel was reporting it

1808
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 3: to Luke Volkanovsky Holloway three.

1809
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1810
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 3: We thought we were gonna have it until Max had

1811
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 3: to pull out.

1812
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 5: How about this turnaround for the champ?

1813
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: Dude?

1814
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 3: This like love it?

1815
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 5: Damn love it?

1816
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 4: Love it. Let me tell you why I love this

1817
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 4: fight so much.

1818
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: You can say what you want about how the first

1819
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 2: fight should have been scored and how I was scored.

1820
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 2: You can say the exact same thing for the secon.

1821
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 5: How many times should you watch it before you say

1822
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 5: something about.

1823
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 4: That fifty plus one?

1824
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: But what I do want to mean, if I can

1825
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 2: make a point seriously for just a second, the reason

1826
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: why this fight is so intriguing to me is because

1827
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: when you think about it, even though he made the

1828
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: biggest adjustment between the first and the second fight in

1829
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: Max Holloway, Max Holloway still has the most adjustment that

1830
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 2: needs to make. It needs to make because as good

1831
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: as you may have thought that he fought in the

1832
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: second fight, it was not good enough to get the

1833
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 2: judges to be convinced, and so.

1834
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 4: Now he is quite literally down two.

1835
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: Why do I bring all of this up, because what

1836
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 2: I love about this is is Volkanovski basically told me

1837
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 2: in New York, on the other side of the water,

1838
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: where you're going to land that plane, Sully, He told me,

1839
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: quite explicitly, like my style encompasses, I can do a

1840
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: lot with it. He didn't make a whole lot of

1841
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 2: changes from the first to the second fight, and I

1842
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: don't think he'll make a whole lot from the second

1843
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 2: to the third. Some fine tuning, but not much. It

1844
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: is Max and his team that have the most the

1845
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: largest creative challenge here. And let me say this, I

1846
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 2: think people have slept on the fact that Gracie Technics

1847
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: and Ivan Flores his guys, they don't ever do interviews,

1848
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 2: they don't ever seek the limelight. They are some of

1849
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: the smartest fight fighters and fight coaches in the world,

1850
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 2: to the point where Eugene Bharman has very much tipped his.

1851
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 4: Cap to how smart they are.

1852
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: This is on Max not just to win it, but

1853
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: he has the creative challenge here to figure this out.

1854
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: Is it is actually a Volkanowski who can play prevent

1855
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: defense if he wants.

1856
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 4: Max has to solve this riddle and no one can

1857
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: do this.

1858
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 3: So the cool part about this fight, it was happening

1859
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 3: so quickly, and we saw that board over Dana white

1860
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 3: shoulder on that Ryan Clark podcast. Now Arie's saying, maybe

1861
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 3: that was filmed a few weeks ago, so you know,

1862
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 3: this didn't look like it was in the plans for

1863
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 3: International Fight Week. Now it is. I don't know what

1864
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: that means for you know, Hamzad or even Cannon hear

1865
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: at Asnia, which I think is still being targeted for

1866
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 3: that date.

1867
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 5: But Luke, here's what's great about it.

1868
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 3: Volkanowski's just coming off the best version of him we've

1869
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 3: ever seen against the Koreen Zombie, where he just took

1870
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 3: it to another level. Two fights a go, Max Holloway

1871
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 3: had the same type of performance against Calvin Cator, where

1872
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 3: if this third fight was happening directly after the Calvin

1873
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 3: Cator fight, where Holloway's just flowing and setting records for

1874
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 3: punches landed and all that, we would have we how

1875
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 3: much differently do you think about who potentially wins the

1876
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 3: third fight because Max had that Fight of the Year

1877
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 3: contender in between against gi Erra Rodriguez, where even though

1878
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 3: he won the fight and did.

1879
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 5: Brilliant things to do that, he was in a fight.

1880
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 3: I mean, we haven't seen him in that type of

1881
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 3: fight in a while. Yeah, Listen has a lot of

1882
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 3: wear and tear, So do you think that changes the

1883
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: way you look at it?

1884
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 5: If this was after the Cater fight, would you be

1885
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 5: thinking differently?

1886
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've made the point, like it has

1887
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of Triple G Canelo in it, where

1888
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 2: you could argue maybe you thought Max did better the

1889
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: second time, But the point is there was a draw

1890
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: in the first case of the Canelo with Triple G.

1891
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: Then Canelo won and now we're a third one. But

1892
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 2: by the time you get the third one, Triple G

1893
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: is much older than he was and the first one,

1894
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: I guess, of course both have aged the same, but

1895
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 2: one has aged into a prime one. Has aged out

1896
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: of it. That would be the difference. You have to

1897
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: ask yourself if that's the case with Volkanowski and Max.

1898
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 4: I would not think so.

1899
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it operates along those lines. But I

1900
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: do think that there's no way to say anything other

1901
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 2: than Max has taken a lot of damage in his career.

1902
01:19:54,720 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 2: The second fight is a fucking wow, brutal affair, and

1903
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 2: certainly this last.

1904
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 5: One again, but he takes damage and wins the Ortega

1905
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 5: fight in which he.

1906
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,799
Speaker 4: Yes, like he Ortega got took the worst.

1907
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 5: Damage obviously, and that's how the finish have.

1908
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is Max even against although he

1909
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 3: had to walk through some shit.

1910
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: Yes, so Max has been extremely resilient. Please don't misunderstand me.

1911
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 2: He is a live I don't know if he's a

1912
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: dog or not, but I mean he is very much

1913
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 2: in play to win this contest. But if I am

1914
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 2: asked to draw one clear distinction between them, it is

1915
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: that the amount of damage Max has taken over the

1916
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 2: course of his career. It is a potential difference maker

1917
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 2: in ways it is not for Volkanansky.

1918
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to hold that against Max too much

1919
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: because styles make fights your motivation might be different.

1920
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 5: You know, you would you would want to have the

1921
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 5: same energy.

1922
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: But your motivation might be different against Yoyo Rodriguez than

1923
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 3: in a third fight with with Volkanowski.

1924
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 5: And the reason why I give I have so much

1925
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 5: confidence in.

1926
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 3: Max regardless is the changes he made stylistically in the

1927
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: second fight showed me that he realized he's fighting a

1928
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 3: different animal. He realized he was going to have to

1929
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 3: try to think like this different animal. And the way

1930
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 3: Max was able to give me a chance watching it live,

1931
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 3: going damn, I think Max just won. That showed me

1932
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 3: that he can play chess with Volkanowski. I don't know

1933
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: if I don't know if he is as good and

1934
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: if he ends up losing three in a rows, like,

1935
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 3: what are we gonna say? Volkanowski's you know he's the

1936
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 3: better mass Max.

1937
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 2: Is up against the first time, he had the lower,

1938
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: lowered stance and he went after mac. Volkanowski couldn't quite

1939
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: catch him in the In the rematch, he stood tall

1940
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 2: and waited for the pressure and had I thought a

1941
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: little bit better success something in that first round, but

1942
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: not enough over the course of the fight. He has

1943
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: to have a strategy, not only enough to make impact early.

1944
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 2: He has got to find a way to win rounds late.

1945
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Speaker 2: That has been a bit of a problem for him.

1946
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Speaker 3: But what about this wild card. This is the most

1947
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Speaker 3: offensive we've seen Volkanovka in terms of intention, in terms

1948
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: of intention that creates I want to show you that

1949
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 3: I'm well rounded. I want to show you that I'm

1950
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Speaker 3: a finisher, not just a five round master. It could

1951
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: be a different guy. That's why when you have these

1952
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Speaker 3: great rivalries, and this is a weird one, right because

1953
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: again the one guy won twice, but obviously there's this

1954
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Speaker 3: disputed scorecards in there.

1955
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Speaker 5: When it can happen over different eras of the same era.

1956
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: But different chapters, and they're different fighters and there's different stakes.

1957
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is gonna be a this this this

1958
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Speaker 3: even if Alex gets three wins, this is going to

1959
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 3: be a memorable rivalry historically like this. Will you know

1960
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Speaker 3: this is this is very high level stuff and the

1961
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Speaker 3: and I'm very much looking forward.

1962
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Speaker 5: And sometimes, Luke, the third one.

1963
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Speaker 3: Ends up being crazier because they're a little bit older,

1964
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Speaker 3: Are their intentions change or they're you know, maybe they're

1965
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 3: just angry. Remember Marcus bulked up. It's paccio. You know,

1966
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 3: haveter feeling like you got Yeah, you never know. So

1967
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Speaker 3: uh that announcement, Luke should move here, wrapping up quickly. Uh,

1968
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Speaker 3: Cody Garbrandt, Yanni Honi ya ya July ninth, the end

1969
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Speaker 3: of that God but honey, yeah, yeah, he's still around

1970
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Speaker 3: Luke Jesus Uh August sixth thago, they.

1971
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Speaker 2: Give Cody somebody who doesn't strike at all.

1972
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Speaker 3: No, this is the rehab tour Chiago Santos Jamal Hill

1973
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Speaker 3: August sixth That movie at all.

1974
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Speaker 2: That's great, that's a that's a that's a very tough

1975
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: fight in either direction, both guys of especially for Hill.

1976
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Speaker 2: That's a really big fight.

1977
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Speaker 3: And joining Garb brann on that July ninth to fight

1978
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Speaker 3: Night card. Hafiel Dosanjo's currently in the work against against

1979
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 3: Raphael Fazeve give me that ship, give it well.

1980
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Speaker 2: And then again I don't know what, if what CARDA

1981
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Speaker 2: was announced for, but sorry, Yuki and versus, we'll tell

1982
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Speaker 2: you scam rot is And maybe people have argued it's

1983
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Speaker 2: a little bit early in their careers. Yeah, the meet, yeah,

1984
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Speaker 2: probably it is to fight. It's still gonna be fucking awesome.

1985
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Speaker 5: So we want to do these dead runs.

1986
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Speaker 3: Well, just tell these viewers to fuck.

1987
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Speaker 4: Off so we can do them, but we don't. We

1988
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Speaker 4: can do them tomorrow on the oh like Live Opinion.

1989
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're doing a fight Companion UFC two seventy four,

1990
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Speaker 3: Canelo Alvarez against Dmitri bevol We're doing it here tomorrow,

1991
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Speaker 3: so I guess you know, check your local listings on YouTube, right. Yeah,

1992
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Speaker 3: but we will have a post fight Morning Combat reaction

1993
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Speaker 3: to Bellator Paris, which goes down four pm Eastern on Showtime.

1994
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Speaker 3: You want to watch it for free, go to showtime

1995
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Speaker 3: dot com get your thirty day free trial right now,

1996
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Speaker 3: and then we will give you that post fight reaction

1997
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Speaker 3: after Saturday and nights events as well. So Companion, take

1998
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Speaker 3: a break, do some HQ, write a recap, whatever, freshen up,

1999
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Speaker 3: but then it's right back MK instant reaction. Do they

2000
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: pay you enough to work this hard?

2001
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Speaker 2: Luke?

2002
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Speaker 4: Do I look like they pay me enough.

2003
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Speaker 5: We're about to welcome in another another special guest.

2004
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, we are this brand is

2005
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Speaker 3: just you're gonna land this plan like you said you

2006
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Speaker 3: were going places.

2007
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Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

2008
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Speaker 4: It's great.

2009
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Speaker 2: I love it.

2010
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Speaker 3: One thing more on Merch Morningcombat dot Store I have

2011
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Speaker 3: gummies to eat live ten ten percent off, you can

2012
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Speaker 3: get it. Thank you for Luke Thomas, for our fantastic staff. Here,

2013
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Speaker 3: I'm Brian Campbell reminding you if you don't believe in yourself,

2014
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Speaker 3: no one else will. We out