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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show Ferocious Friendships.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the scary, tough and sliny animals in the world

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Speaker 1: just need a friend. From a friendly little shop of

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Speaker 1: horrors to the toughest animals in the world, frolicking together,

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Speaker 1: we find friendship and cooperation in the unlikeliest of places.

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Speaker 1: Discover this and more as we answer the age old

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Speaker 1: question can you call yourself a friend if you don't

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Speaker 1: appreciate your friend's poop? Joining me today is Friend to

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Speaker 1: All Animals and host of Just the Zoo of Us

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Speaker 1: as well as spell Bound and Gag. Ellen Weatherford Welcome, Hi, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be talking to you again. It's

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Speaker 1: so exciting. I love to talk to you. I've been

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Speaker 1: on your podcast, Just the Zoo of Us. We've chat

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Speaker 1: about animals, You've been on my podcast. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of just sort of mixing, mix and match, Pick and

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Speaker 1: Mix podcast. We have our own Ferocious Animal Friendship. There

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Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, we both you and I have a

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Speaker 1: symbiotic relationships. Mutualism exactly. Yes, yeah, so I I am

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Speaker 1: so excited. I think you're going to love the animal

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Speaker 1: friendships I've picked out, and you also have one as

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Speaker 1: a surprise for me, which I'm so excited about. I'm

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Speaker 1: this podcast, so I'm very excited. Oh, you won't be

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Speaker 1: the only one being surprised, because this one involves quite

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Speaker 1: a surprising behavior to the one that is the recipient

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Speaker 1: of it. So it's a it's very exciting. It's a

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Speaker 1: surprise to a little helpless later surprise friendship. Well, this

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Speaker 1: is very exciting. Um Ellen, do you like bats? I

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Speaker 1: love bats so much. I saw some in real life recently.

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Speaker 1: I was driving into my neighborhood and I just so

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Speaker 1: happened to look up at the right exact right moment

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Speaker 1: to see a whole what do you call a group

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Speaker 1: and it was beautiful, joyful experience. That's so wonderful. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone uses that. A lot of these

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Speaker 1: that recently, these like they're called terms of venery. I

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Speaker 1: learned recently that a lot of them, most of them

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Speaker 1: were made up by old British hunters that wanted to

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Speaker 1: each other basically and be very like gate keepy about

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Speaker 1: like a knowledge that I can be like, oh, did

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Speaker 1: you know it's actually cold? A cold? They're like the

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Speaker 1: they're like the crypto bros of like, yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: all just like a weird hunting culture. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: the wooly bats and picture plants, and they form this

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Speaker 1: beautiful friendship. It is your typical meat cute bat meets

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Speaker 1: this kind of grayish brown, flying little cotton balls with

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Speaker 1: And they're this little cutiest ones ever. The proportions are

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Speaker 1: So in Him's Leanna is a tropical picture plant, which

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Speaker 1: kind of like you know Audrey too from a Little

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Speaker 1: So what is this cute, adorable little bat doing in

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Speaker 1: me it's like we're in competition, we're in sexual competition.

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00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: But if you have a group of chimpanzees and guerrillas,

421
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: as long as there's enough food around for everyone, they

422
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily in competition with each other. So and then

423
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: they probably somewhat I mean, their body language is going

424
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: to be somewhat different, but they probably somewhat recognize it.

425
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have two species whose body language

426
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: ends up sort of matching in some way. Like dogs

427
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: and humans, we get along really well because we can

428
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: actually recognize our body each other's body language. In our

429
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: co evolution, we've actually come to be become better at

430
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: recognizing each other's body language. I mean, some people still

431
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: don't quite understand dog body language. Sometimes it's not exactly intuitive,

432
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: like especially like when the puppy dog eyes, Like when

433
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: a dog like looks up at you, it's called whale

434
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: eyes where you can see the whites of their eyes

435
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: and they're like looking. That often means that they're scared

436
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: or agitated and they're they're about to nip at you. Ah.

437
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: But I read also recently, like I read that, Um,

438
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't recall where I read this, but

439
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: that like over time, dogs have actually evolved facial muscles

440
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: to be more like more fine tuned so that they

441
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: can make the same sorts of expressions that humans look

442
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: for in each other, like eyebrows, like you look at

443
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: a wolf. Wolves don't have like those expressive eyebrows that have,

444
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: but like dogs have like more fine tuned muscles in

445
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: their eyebrows and eyes to like make more I focused

446
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: facial expressions because that's what humans recognizing each other. Yeah,

447
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: and we probably select for that because we like, oh, yeah,

448
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: look like you have a good attitude, and we select

449
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: like those puppies. Uh And like they also dogs have

450
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: evolved to like focus on our faces, like the sides

451
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 1: of our faces that typically express more so that they

452
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: can more sort of accurately assess, like what what our

453
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: expression is. Uh So, yeah, I mean there's definitely definitely

454
00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: these kinds of inter specific um or intrust specific interactions

455
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: where you have two species who can kind of learn

456
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: each other's body language. And for yeah, for chimpanzees and gorillas,

457
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: it seems like they're capable of doing this. And as

458
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: to why they form these friendships, I mean, it's not

459
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: like researchers know, for a fact, they speculate there could

460
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: be some benefits in terms of being able to use

461
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: each other's skills and foraging, but honestly a lot of

462
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: it just sounds like it's fulfilling for them, just like

463
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: how we formed these relationship with dogs, and it is

464
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: mutually beneficial. Dogs get food, we get the sort of

465
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: work that a dog can do, like guarding or shepherding,

466
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: but also we just enjoy it like it's just fun.

467
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: And I think we can't all we can't too often

468
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: underestimate animals capacity for just doing stuff that's fun. Oh yeah,

469
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Like you see like dolphins, you know, doing flips and

470
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: stuff for fun. And you know all sorts of critters

471
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: out there that just do stuff for fun, especially primates.

472
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: So you know, you can't science away everything. Yeah, so

473
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: they just let them have some joy. They're just frolicking together,

474
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: holding hands. What do you thinking about. It's so cute,

475
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: it's precious. What are you thinking about? Oh, just girla stuff.

476
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you know, I just thought about because

477
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: of how they both have, you know, hands with long

478
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: fingers and opposable thumbs, they could totally hold hands. They

479
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: could totally hold hands. Yeah, they could lock fingers the

480
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: whole deal. They could they could hold hands this big

481
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: a big friendship handhole a lot. You know, it's too bad,

482
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Like I feel like friends don't hold hands as much anymore,

483
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: or maybe they never think for yourself more hand holding,

484
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: more platonic hand holding. I read that um in uh

485
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: more like Middle Eastern, like Arabic cultures, holding hands is

486
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: like a platonic Like if you're walking down the street

487
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: having a conversation with somebody, especially down like a busy,

488
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: crowded street, you would hold their hands just to like

489
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: avoid being like you know, uh, I suppose like shoved

490
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: away from each other's right. That's a more common thing.

491
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a Western thing, to deserve hand holding

492
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: for romance. Yeah, I mean as kids we used to

493
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: hold hands too, like thing maybe more. I mean also,

494
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I think there's some bit of like, uh weird masculinity

495
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: stuff about it where it's like, ah, you know, adults

496
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: slash men can't hold hands, boys can't hold hands because

497
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's something like because because I mean,

498
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: I think like a adult women hold hands more platonically.

499
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: I think an adult men do um. But then we

500
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: all need to be holding hands. We need to be

501
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: holding hands with chimps and gorillas. We need to be

502
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: having our arms ripped off by the chimps and gorillas

503
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: because we kind of deserve it to to learn a lesson.

504
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: But it for that brief moment where we were holding

505
00:30:48,760 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: hands in harmony, it'll have been worth it. So one,

506
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you promised me a surprise, tentaclely surprise, and I'm excited. Yes, okay,

507
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: So my little surprise for you is a behavior, uh

508
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: that is that has been seen in an octopus called

509
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: the day octopus or the reason octopus. Yes, and the

510
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: uh scientific name is Octopus ciannia, which is like, how

511
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: do you get the genus name octopus? Like how did you?

512
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: How did you? Like? That's like when you have like

513
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: an email address that's just your name with no like

514
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: numbers or anything like that in it. It's like, how

515
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: did you get that? My Twitter name is just my name,

516
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Katie Goldna. Amazing. You had to be the first one

517
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: in there and the octopus of Twitter. Yeah, So Octopus

518
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: ciannia is uh, you know, octopuses are predatory, right, so

519
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: they'll hang out in a coral reef or something like

520
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: that and kind of hide and weight or chase things

521
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: down through the nooks and crannies. Octopuses are very Gucci's like,

522
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: like they have like a sort of non Newtonius formula, Yes,

523
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: very you know. They they got no bone, soft body,

524
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: extremely soft bodies, so they can squeeze into tiny little spaces. Um.

525
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: But still, even though they're very good at doing that,

526
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: being a predator is still a tough job as it

527
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: is literally anywhere. So a lot of times predators will

528
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: team up to work together in the hopes that like

529
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: they can kind of make up for each other's weaknesses

530
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: at a predator as a predator. So a really famous

531
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: example here in the USA is these tag teams that

532
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: will pop up of coyotes and badgers and we're talking

533
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: to yes, we've talked about it on the show before.

534
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: The teamwork of coyote and badger. Um they find little

535
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: burrowing mammals like ground hogs and just like one badger

536
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: digging them up on one end, coyote at the other

537
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: end waiting for them to pop out. And it benefits

538
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: both of them because these poor like gophers or groundhogs

539
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: don't have anywhere to go. They just they have to

540
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: pick one right out of the frying badger into the

541
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: frying coyote and it's really cute to like there was

542
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: a trail some trail camp footage of them walking together

543
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: and the coyotes like jumping around really excited. Yeah, let's go,

544
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go, And then the badger is just

545
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: trundling along like that. It's like every like Disney movie duo,

546
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: you've yeah, and a lot of friendships where you have

547
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: like one person who's a little more low energy and

548
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: then you have like the higher energy and you know

549
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: like their friends. Yes, so exactly like that, this sort

550
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: of like count like completion between the relationships of the

551
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: two predators who have kind of drawn a truce and

552
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: have agreed to hunt together, with the understanding being that

553
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: maybe you know, in that hunt you might get the

554
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: ground The coyote might get the groundhog in one hunt,

555
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: but the badger might get the next one. Right um,

556
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: but total, in total, the both getting more groundhogs than

557
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: they would alone, right yes, because you know, rather than

558
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: leaving one opening for the prey to escape and survive,

559
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: now they've closed it off so guaranteed that one of

560
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: them is going to get it. So this happens in

561
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: the ocean too. The day octopus has been known to

562
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: team up with predatory fish on the reefs. Are one

563
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: that they team up with a lot so um whatever

564
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: they're hunting with. Basically how it works is the fish

565
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: that they're hunting with hunts around and above the reef.

566
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: So the predatory fish, like a grouper, is kind of

567
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: like patrolling above the reef, and while it's doing that,

568
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: the octopus is squeezing through the rocks and the coral

569
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: um like into the nooks and crannies and kind of

570
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: chasing the prey that's hidden in there. So the prey

571
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: then has two options. They can try to wiggle through

572
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: the nooks and crannies where the octopus is very very

573
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: good at catching them, or they can try to get

574
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: out of the reef where the group or it is

575
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: waiting for them, um or whatever type of predatory fish.

576
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: It's not exclusive to grouper, but whatever large fishes is

577
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: hunting with the octopus will be hanging out above. So,

578
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like this, It's exactly like the badger

579
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: and coyote thing. You know, the prey is basically flushed

580
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: out of the reef. Um. So if the prey is

581
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: scared enough of the fish, they'll stay in the reef

582
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: where the octopus can get it. So this is the

583
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: thing about this strategy that like made a bunch of

584
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: headlines pretty recently, the octopus being extremely intelligent. Like octopuses

585
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: have reputations for being like unfathomably smart. Um, they have

586
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: come up with some strategies to sort of actually exert

587
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: more control over their hunting partners. So if they feel like,

588
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: if the octopus feels like the fish is starting to

589
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: take more of its fair share of the prey, like

590
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: maybe the fish keeps getting the prey over and over again,

591
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: the octopus hasn't really gotten very many. UM. I cannot

592
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: in this any better than the researchers did. So this

593
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: is just a quote directly from the paper. UM. And

594
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: the paper by the way, I'm not going to read

595
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: the paper title yet because it gives it away. They say, here,

596
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: we report a series of events dating between the first

597
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: of October, the first of November and the tenth of May.

598
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: In the tenth of July nine where different Octopus Ciannia

599
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: individuals engage in and I'm putting air quotes around this

600
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: active displacement of partner fish during collaborative hunting. To this end,

601
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: the octopus performs a swift explosive motion with one arm

602
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: directed at a specific fish partner, which we refer to

603
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: as punching disciplinary yeat. They that is science talk for throwing.

604
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Like they just immediately go bound and just like pop

605
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: the fish. And there's it's the funniest thing I've ever

606
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: heard in my life. Um And now that I've said that,

607
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: I can say the paper title Octopuses punch fishes during

608
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: colle through specific hunting events. Um. And that was by

609
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: that was by Eduardo Sampayo at all, and that was

610
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: in Ecology in December. Um. So they do also kind

611
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: of suggest a few possible motivations because they're like, this

612
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: octopus is over here just deck in fish like in

613
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: the face, and it's a very boxing boxing gloves on

614
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: each one of its tentacles. Yeah, it's like ready to go.

615
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: You can catch all eight of these hands basically. And

616
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: they're like, it's a weird thing that they're doing because

617
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: they're not doing it to like kill the fish or

618
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: like eat them. It's not a predatory thing. They're just

619
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: bopping them. And so they suggest a few possible motivations.

620
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: One is just moving the fish over, like the fish

621
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: is getting a little too close to the prey. They're

622
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: possibly just moving the fish, um, so that they can

623
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: then take the prey that they feel entitled to write,

624
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: it's just shoving them out of the way. Um. It's

625
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, um, if you are reaching for

626
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: a cookie on a table and you see somebody else

627
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: reach for the same cookie, yeah, Grandma's spoon. No. Yeah,

628
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: but but more so so that you can be the

629
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: one to get the cookie, to keep them away from

630
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: it all together. So yes, um. And then but the

631
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: paper also mentioned that a lot of times the octopus

632
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: would punch the fish and then not take the prey.

633
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: So it seemed to not be about that the octopus

634
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: would just hit the fish and it wasn't about getting

635
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: the prey. So they suggested to explanations that are derived

636
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: from game theory, which is the study of like strategy

637
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: and situational interaction, so like the ways that you can

638
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: manipulate a situation to gain the best advantage. And this

639
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: is another quote from the paper, because this is probably

640
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite scientific papers I've ever read in

641
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: my life. So I'm just going to pull another octopus

642
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: punch punches fish. The paper octopuses punch fishes is the

643
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: most like incredible three first three words of a paper title,

644
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: I love it. I can't I love it so much?

645
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: And so they say. So this is the two like

646
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: explanations that they're offering for the fish punching behavior. They

647
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: say in the first one, benefits are disregarded entirely by

648
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: the octopus, and punching could be a case of spite.

649
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: They say, no emotional connotation used to impose a cost

650
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: on the fish, regardless of self cost, for example, after defection,

651
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: which is stealing prey by a usually collaborative partner. So

652
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: maybe if they're like, hey, we have a good thing going.

653
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: We know each other, things are going good. We've hunted

654
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: together many times, and things are going great. If that

655
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: fish starts to like take a little more like and

656
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: and take a little bit more of the octopus's prey,

657
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: they'll punish them. It's punishment. It's like boom, like here

658
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: you go. Uh. If you keep taking my prey away

659
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: from me, it's going to hurt you. So it's like

660
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: it's like training. They're like shurting them with like a

661
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: negative reinforcements. As we know with training dogs and fish,

662
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: positive reinforcements the way to go. But it is but yeah,

663
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it reminds me a lot of the

664
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: cleaner rass um dynamics. So there are these cleaner rass,

665
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: which are these little fish that will clean off the

666
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: parasites from other fish, and other fish will like line

667
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: up and like it's a fish car wash. But there

668
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: the fish could attack the cleaner rass right and try

669
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: to eat them because they're smaller fish, or the cleaner

670
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: rass could try to eat the mucus coating on the fish.

671
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: So fish have this protective mucus coating. It makes them

672
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of slimy. It protects their skin, but it's also

673
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: protein rich and I guess delicious to these rasses. So

674
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: they will punish each other based on who is cheating.

675
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: So if a fish tries to attack a rass, the

676
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: rass will kind of boycott this fish. If one of

677
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: the rass tries to bite a fish that it's cleaning,

678
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: fish will boycott that rass. Sometimes rasses will be punished

679
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: by another rass if they catch that rass cheating, like

680
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: trying to eat some mucus they'll like like sort of

681
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: just like nip at the cheating fish, being like, hey,

682
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: that's not how we do business around in these parts.

683
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: So there's a bit. Yeah, and so I think it's

684
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: for And these are just like these fish that are

685
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they're intelligent, but certainly not as intelligent as

686
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: an octopus. So I can certainly see an octopus like

687
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: doing this out of spite, wanting to teach this other

688
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: fish a lesson of like hey man, that's not cool,

689
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: and just punching them. It's their way of like enforcing

690
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: a social contract they with each other. Right, It's like

691
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: the octopus understands, like I need to communicate with this

692
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: thing in a way that it will understand. It will

693
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: understand pain, So I'm going to punch it, right, or

694
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: even even just like even if the fish isn't in pain,

695
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: just sort of the shock of paying, you know, punched

696
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: in this way of like whoa what was that? You know?

697
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: Like it Yeah, So it introduces this like dynamic of

698
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: manipulation into the friendship between the octopus, because it's not

699
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: like the octopus like stops hunting with the fish, right,

700
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: it's just like a little a little hey, get yourself

701
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: in line. Um. They even they had another explanation that

702
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: they suggested for the behavior that it could also be

703
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: a flex to keep the misbehaving partner in line. So

704
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: basically as a reminder like hey, I could take you

705
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: down any moment like you were on thin ice pal.

706
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: It's basically like, don't mess with me. I'm a big octopus.

707
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: I could definitely, you know, one shot you if I wanted.

708
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: Here's a taste. Um, it's just a culture, it is.

709
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: It sounds very like I can't pretend to have ever

710
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: um been like a dude in a locker room at

711
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: a tip. It's not a situation I've ever been in,

712
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: but I haven't either. Based on movies that I've watched

713
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: about the situation, I had to assume that there's quite

714
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: a bit of um jostl ng, maybe some natured ribbing.

715
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: It's like a towel flap. Yeah, And it's shaped the

716
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: same way right like you know when you twist up

717
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: the towel and it's got that point g end on.

718
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: It just kind of looked like the tentacle. We're just

719
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: we're just going towards octopus, I think, which would be nice.

720
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, like they seem to have a lot

721
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: figured out. So although I do think that if we

722
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: do continue on the octopus word trend, I hope that

723
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: we don't also adapt their manipulative friendship stress because they're

724
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: just like decking fish to get their way basically, um,

725
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: which is like just really fascinating because not only are

726
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: they cooperating and interacting with other species in like a

727
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: non confrontational way, um, but they're also having to communicate

728
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: with them like displeasure, like I don't want you to

729
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: do that. Here's something different I want you to do,

730
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: and like correcting the behavior, which I've never heard of

731
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: any other animal like doing that, like correcting another other

732
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: than other than what you just told me about the

733
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: cleaner rasses. Um. That they're just like hey, another sec

734
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: because like within the species, they like animals will often

735
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: do that like dogs and will will nip in each other.

736
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: You know, they're like there's a lot of sort of

737
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: like hey, like animals that are in group dynamics, there's nipping, slapping,

738
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, kinds of behaviors to like correct other animals

739
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: that they live with of their own species, but to

740
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: correct another species is a lot more rare because you

741
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: don't often animals don't form these relationships with other species

742
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: and communicate with them. Yeah, and you have to like

743
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: speak their language basically, you know, you have to understand

744
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: what they're going to respond to and what they'll understand.

745
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: So I think it requires a very high degree of

746
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: like comprehension on the octopus's part. And also they're just mean,

747
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: like like they're just so rude. I mean, I feel

748
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I on what sympathized with this octopus though.

749
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: The octopus has this grand plan and then the fish

750
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: is just messing it up and it's sort of like

751
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: a three stooges situation. So it does get very slapstick

752
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: very quick. I'm not saying I'm saying use your words,

753
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: not your fists. But octopuses don't have words, so what

754
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: are they going to do? I know, even if they

755
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: tried to say something, the fish wouldn't be able to

756
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: hear it underwater. You ever tried to talk underwater, It

757
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: doesn't get across so good. And their fists are very squishy,

758
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a sock um bopper. Yeah.

759
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that it's typical that it's very like

760
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: injurious to the fish. I'm probably not because because that's

761
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: not how octopuses fight, right, Like, it's just not the

762
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: way that they like hunt prey or anything that they've got. Yeah,

763
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: like they could if they really wanted to hurt this fish,

764
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: they would grab them and then bite a chunk out

765
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: of them with their hard kiteness beak. But they have

766
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: ways to actually hurt the fish. Rice is very much

767
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: like a very bapecific behavior that is like only for

768
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: the purpose of, you know, keeping their fish friends in line. Right,

769
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you should bap your friends, but

770
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: if you're an octopus, I'm not going to judge you

771
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: for bap and your friends. If you're much like you

772
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: have a free pass to have a chimpanzee pet. If

773
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: you're a gorilla, you are literally a gorilla. And I

774
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: don't mean like gorilla. I'm not talking about grilla mindset

775
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: where it's a grilla grindset where it's you know, you're

776
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: at the gym on steroids. That's not on. You have

777
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: to be the species gorilla gorilla. Yeah, exactly, gorilla gorilla.

778
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: Or if you're a western lowland one, I believe that's

779
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: gorilla gorilla gorilla. Oh, nice. You could be one of those.

780
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: Like any amount of gorillas that you are, you get

781
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you get to have a chimpanzee as a friend. Uh, Ellen,

782
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: that was a delightful story that I had not heard of.

783
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate that. I love octopuses. I'm so

784
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: happy to hear that they're punching fish, and I love

785
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: that there's a paper publish. It's like octopushes punch fish.

786
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: It's such a joyful paper too, because, like you know,

787
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: it is of course, you know, everything is is phrase

788
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: the way you're supposed to phrase things in scientific papers.

789
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: But they're just these little moments where like the personality

790
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: of the papers shines through. They're definitely having fun, yet

791
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: they're having the time of their lives, and like you

792
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: just get these little glimmers of joy in these papers,

793
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: which is so like exciting for me. They have to

794
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: try to keep it professional, but you know they're just giddy.

795
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, they're punching the fish. Did you'll see that?

796
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy? Can you imagine being the first person to

797
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: see that? And you're like, are you sure better than

798
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: the moon Landing's my personal moon landing? My personal moon landing? Yes, Well,

799
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: before we go. We gotta play a little game. It's

800
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: called the Gifts Who's Squawking? The Mystery Animal sound game.

801
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Each I play a mystery animal sound and you the listener,

802
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: and you the guest, try to guess who is squawking.

803
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: The rules is it could be any animal in the world,

804
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: and that's it. You gotta guess it. So last week's

805
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: mystery animals sound hinted was this. It's a fashionisto with

806
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: a great sense for what look is in season. So ellen,

807
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: any guesses what a sound? Um, it sounds like some

808
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: type of fowl, like a like a gallinaceous spurred perhaps,

809
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: as I learned very recently, is the word something related

810
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: to like a chicken or a turkey? Um, I'm thinking

811
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: maybe a be a pheasant of some kind. Pheasant. It's

812
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, it does. It sounds like a peacock

813
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: to me, or like a pheasant, but in fact, entirely

814
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: different animal is the Arctic fox. So yes, foxes sound

815
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: so funny. They do not like whatever sound you think

816
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: like a fox should make, like when it makes it

817
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: and it's like, now that should be coming out of you,

818
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: little guy. What's going on? So yeah, yeah, exactly, but

819
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: it is indeed the Arctic fox. Uh. The Arctic fox

820
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: is found in the Arctic uh, and it needs to

821
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: blend in with the white snow so it can be

822
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: an effective predator of small mammals like wolves and also

823
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: avoid predation by larger animals like wolves, bears, even golden eagles. Uh. So,

824
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: Arctic foxes are little guys. They're only around three to

825
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: seven pounds or one point five to three kilogram you know,

826
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of like bluffy chihuahua's um. And they are not

827
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: always white. They change their coats with the seasons. In

828
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: the summer, they're brown with sort of a shorter coat

829
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: to blend in with the earth. And in the wind

830
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: her they grow this white, fluffy coat both for the

831
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: warmth and to camouflage themselves against the white snow. And

832
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: they will listen very carefully for little mammals hidden deep

833
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: underneath the snow, and then once they have pinpointed where

834
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: they are, they'll do that adorable little hop up and

835
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: then down and just kind of like face plant right

836
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: into the snow to grab their prey from above. I think, sing, yeah,

837
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: that sounds like it, you know, like pronking is actual. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They sprawling and it's quite cute, um, but for the

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Speaker 1: quite alarming because it's basically this lump of snow suddenly

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Speaker 1: coming alive with teeth and crashing into your roof. They're

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Speaker 1: so cute, they are adorable, adorable. All right, onto this

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Speaker 1: week's mystery animal sound. The hint is, am I asking

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Speaker 1: a lot for you to guess this sound. You know,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a grocery store cash register. That's it,

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Speaker 1: the wild grocery store cash register. Ellen, do you have

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Speaker 1: any guesses based purely on the clue, because I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if this animal makes a sound, but if

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Speaker 1: it did, I bet it would sound like that. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say you're absolutely correct, which means you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to duck quack over your answer, but people will

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Speaker 1: know you were right. We'll leave all this in so

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Speaker 1: you can your victory will be known to the world.

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Speaker 1: I've leaped out the correct response, but yes it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was shocked. That was my shot of redemption.

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Speaker 1: I got it wrong last time I was here. Well

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Speaker 1: that's my now, now you got it right. This was

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Speaker 1: like if this one was a tricky one too, because

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Speaker 1: this is like the first I didn't know that these

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Speaker 1: guys even made it sound like like you. And then

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Speaker 1: I just came across this, it's like, well, all right, okay,

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Speaker 1: you just make a little But now that I hear that,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's what they would sound like. It

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Speaker 1: makes sense. It makes sense. It makes so much sense,

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Speaker 1: um and everyone. You will find out what that noises

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Speaker 1: on next episode of Creature Feature. And if you think

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Speaker 1: you know what it is, or if you have a question,

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Speaker 1: or you want to send me pictures of your kitty

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Speaker 1: cats or your doggies. Not accepting pictures of your pet

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Speaker 1: chimp because you shouldn't have one, it's gonna rip your

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Speaker 1: face off. Unless you're a gorilla. If you're a gorilla,

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Speaker 1: like a literal gorilla, and you've somehow mastered the art

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Speaker 1: of email, then yes you can email me about that.

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Speaker 1: It has to be a selfie with you in the

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Speaker 1: picture to that you're also a gorilla exactly and holding

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Speaker 1: up the day and the time. Um so a new

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Speaker 1: days newspaper, right, the gorilla daily with the newspaper, so

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Speaker 1: I know. Ah, yeah, So you can send that to

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Speaker 1: Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. Also on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Creature Feak Pod. That's f T not how is

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Speaker 1: something very different on Instagram, although I need to get

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Speaker 1: better at actually using Instagram, but maybe someday I will.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to like lay and wait for

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Speaker 1: once I become active on Instagram, it's Creature Future Pod

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Speaker 1: on at Instagram. Um, and Ellen, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. Where can the people find you?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I am on social media. I

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Speaker 1: have um personal uh Twitter and Instagram, and we are

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Speaker 1: I suppose I should direct people more so to our podcasts,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, social media presences, because that's more of

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Speaker 1: what I used. I'm not a particularly interesting person on

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Speaker 1: my own about my podcast is. So we have you know,

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Speaker 1: on Instagram where just as of us pod, Twitter, we're

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Speaker 1: just just the zoo of us. We have a discord

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Speaker 1: server which is really really fun. Everybody in there's really

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Speaker 1: really nice. The Facebook group everybody's also super nice on

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Speaker 1: their um so just the zoo of us if you

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Speaker 1: are an animal lover. I also have a grand new

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Speaker 1: podcast that that Katie has has recorded with me that

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Speaker 1: it's not I don't know if both taking out if

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Speaker 1: you um, but um, you know it's that is kind

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Speaker 1: of brand new, but it's all about all the weird, gross, creepy, strange, um,

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Speaker 1: all the weird stuff that you don't normally get to

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Speaker 1: info dump about at your typical dinner table. But that

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Speaker 1: one is not safe for work. That's not for kids, um,

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Speaker 1: adults only for that one. And that one is called

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Speaker 1: Spellbound and Gag. That's also on Twitter and Instagram, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: so come follow along if you like animals and weird

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Speaker 1: scientists stuff. I think they probably do, so that was

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Speaker 1: a recommendations and Jennin because because Katie came on, Katie

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Speaker 1: is going to be on an upcoming episode of Spilled

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Speaker 1: Down and Gagged about Paris. It's nice. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you'll like it. I enjoyed myself, so I think you

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Speaker 1: will too. Thank you guys so much for listening. If

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Speaker 1: you're enjoying the pod and you leave a rating or review,

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Speaker 1: I deeply appreciate, deeply, deeply appreciate it. Um. I read

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Speaker 1: all of the reviews, by the way, and if you

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Speaker 1: ask a question in the reviews, I will actually include

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Speaker 1: those in my listener questions episodes, So I I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that immensely and thanks so much to the space Classics

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Speaker 1: for their super awesome song Exo. Aluminous Creature features a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts like the

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Speaker 1: pooping in a picture plant and you're listening to it

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Speaker 1: on like the Picture Plant Network. I that's great, that's good,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. See you next Wednesday.