1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio AHOII and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here with us too, and 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: this is stuff you should know beginning Oh the year 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: edition Hainbird here heard Bob? That was great? Was that 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: the sweetest chef singing? Gordon Lightfoot? I think it kind 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: of nailed it. You totally nailed hey. Before we get going, 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: I want to make a quick announcement, very sadly, Emily's 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: grandmother Mary, as we referred to her as the the 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: general of the stuff you senior general of the stuff 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: you should know, Army. I don't like where this is going, Chuck. 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: I know she finally passed away about two weeks shy 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: of a hundred and two, so, you know, don't feel 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: bad about the life short changed. She got every bit 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: of it and about a hundred and maybe a half 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: of those years were pretty darn good. I'm not gonna 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: get on my soapbox about you know the fact that 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: we live in a state where our loved ones can 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: just slowly dwindle into nothingness, which is awful to see happen. 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: But uh, we finally lost Mary and it's always sad, 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: even though you kind of pre grieve these things, but 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: I have. It will be up on Facebook now and 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: the Stuff you Should Know Army Facebook page. Something we 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: always did for her at her birthday was gave her 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: a shout out, and she loved more than anything. Sitting 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: around and reading the hundreds of well wishes from all 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: over the world just tickled her pink. So we're there's 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: an in memorium post up. By the time this will 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: come out, I'm gonna get it up there on the 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know Army page via Aaron Cooper somebody. 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: So it would be great if people as a as 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: a final gesture, I said a couple of words about it. Yeah, 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: well r I p Mary, Yeah, Steph, you should know 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: Army general, if not like five star general even maybe 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: absolutely it was rough at the end. So it's always 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: good to see someone very old that's not doing great 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: too to pass along, you know, to go home, that's 38 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: what they call it, once you get to that age, 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: going home, like Motley Crue saying that. Yeah, I think 40 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: that's what they were talking about. That wasn't Motley Crue. 41 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Who'saing that? My mom go oh, that was AUSSI yeah, 42 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: but Motley Crewe had one about going home to yeah, 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Home Sweet Home. We saw them play that. I think 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: you're thinking of smoking in the boy's room. I was, 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: wasn't that thin, Lizzie? No, well originally yeah, I think so. Well, 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: there you go. I'm a O G. Speaking of O 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: G s Chuck, I feel like we should talk about 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: one of the O G Iron freighters of all time 49 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: that met a tragic end, and it was called the 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald. And I just want to say, I promise 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year my segways will be 52 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: much better than that. Well, I hit everyone with an 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: obituary right out of the gate. It's true. I think 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: you did a pretty good job. Um here's how dumb 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: I am. I knew about the song because it's a 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: song I hate more than almost any other song. Why 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: it's terrible? Why no, it's not what about it's terrible? 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: You know? Like folk stuff? I love folk music. I'm 59 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: not a big fan of sea shanties, and this is 60 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: a classic. The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Lightfoot is a classic sea shanty because they don't have like, 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: they don't have a chorus. They don't have a hook, 63 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: they're not written for that purpose. It's just sort of 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: this repetitive thing, over and over, take me to the bridge. 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: There's no bridge, there's no nothing but that repeated Swedish 66 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: chef bit that I did. So I knew about the song, 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: but I never looked closely at the lyrics, um because 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I hate it so much. So I so dumb. I 69 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: always thought that Edmund Fitzgerald was like the Titanic or 70 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: some classic old ocean liner from like the nineteenth century 71 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: or something. I did not know that it was a 72 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: a you know, fairly modern day uh like metal or 73 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: shipping vessel. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was 74 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: a Great Lakes vessel. Didn't know that. I thought it 75 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: was probably like nineteen ten or something. Yeah. No, it's 76 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: sunk in nineteen seventy five. And it wasn't even a 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: twinkle in a um shipmaker's I in nineteen ten. It 78 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: wasn't created until I think nineteen fifty eight was when 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: it was finally launched, so it was fairly recent. I 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: would say. Yeah, And to my uh defense, I'm gonna 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: defend myself here because you're not stepping up, uh, when 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: you raised in Atlanta, you don't like the shipwrecks of 83 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the Midwest of the early seventies. You know, it's just 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: not something that a kid really learned. So okay, So 85 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: the reason I wasn't stepping up was because that it 86 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: is what kids learned. When you grow up in Toledo 87 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: or Detroit or Cleveland, you probably did right, Like, yeah, 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: I was raised knowing about the Edmund Fitzgerald anything about it, 89 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: And I didn't have a seagoing member in my entire family, 90 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: and my whole family knew about the Edmund Fitzgerald for 91 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: some reason. Because if you sit down and look at 92 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: it on paper, uh, you you will wonder why it 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: actually you know, it was a very famous shipwreck, and 94 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: there was some some things to it. There was a 95 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: huge ship. It was a very beloved ship before it saying, 96 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: so there were a couple of things that could make it, 97 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, memorialized a little more than the average shipwreck. 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: But it is at least around the Great Lakes region, 99 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: it is second only to Titanic as far as shipwrecks 100 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: of import go. Like that is how big the Edmund 101 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald shipwreck was around there and still is I think 102 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: to this day, and they love that song up there too. 103 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. So I'm sure there's 104 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: people who hated out there though too, that a lot 105 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: of people are mad at me. Yeah. He Gordon Lightfoot, 106 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: the guy who's who sang the song. He was known 107 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: as like the Pride of Canada. I think I don't 108 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: know if he's still around or not, but he was 109 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: definitely a beloved songwriter. So we definitely have lost a 110 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: few Canadian fans. Things to you, I like Gordon Lightfoot. 111 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: I liked that other big hit he had, which one? 112 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: What was it? I saw that there was another hit 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: and I could not figure out what it was. Didn't 114 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: he sing? Uh Sunday b b d DP dude, dude 115 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: to see about even be yes, I don't know if 116 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: that was him. I know the song you're talking about, 117 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: then that's that's a great song. I agree, clearly don't 118 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: know these lyrics. So let's let's get into this, okay, 119 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: because there's probably plenty of people outside of the United States, 120 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: outside of the northern Midwest, UM and Northeast, who haven't 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: really heard much about the Edmund Fitzgerald if at all. 122 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Edmund Fitzgerald. Shall we sure, uh? 123 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of gave away a little 124 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: bit of the story and when I said it was 125 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: it carried metal ores, specifically iron ore. They found a 126 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff in the eighteen hundreds in Ontario 127 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and Canada and Wisconsin and Minnesota and the Upper Peninsula 128 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: of Michigan, and so all of a sudden an industry 129 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: was born where these great lakes all of a sudden 130 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: saw these big ships and they were like, hey, we 131 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: got these uh, this iron ore. We're gonna ship it 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: in the form of Taco nite pellets all over the 133 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Midwest to wherever they need steel. And it was so 134 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: lucrative that other companies got in the game because they 135 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: were like, hey, you can invest in the ship. You don't. 136 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: You have to be in that business and you can 137 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: make tons of money. And that's what happened with the 138 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: Eddie fitz Yeah, because the Edmund Fitzgerald was owned by 139 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Company. Weird, and there's no like, 140 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: whoa wait a minute, what's the catch here? There is none. 141 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: Northwestern Mutual UH commissioned a ship builders on Lake erie 142 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: Um to build a design and build a ship for 143 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: them for the purpose of of transporting or across the 144 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Great Lakes, just as an investment. Yeah. And one of 145 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: the one of the reasons why it became such a 146 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: attractive investment for for anybody, including an insurance company, was 147 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: that the St. Lourd's Seaway was opened, I believe in 148 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: nineteen nine, and at that point the Great Lakes were 149 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: connected to the Atlantic Ocean, so now you had even 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: more of a market to export to your iron ore too. 151 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: So um, it wasn't a bad idea, and there was 152 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: really nothing wrong with their ownership from top to bottom. 153 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: From what I could tell. It wasn't like some insurance scam. No, 154 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't think so. As a matter of fact, it 155 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: would have been pretty audacious to have named the ship 156 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: after the president of Northwestern Mutual if the whole thing 157 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: was a scam. You know that's men Fitzgerald was right, Yeah, 158 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: for sure, And apparently the legend goes Edmund Fitzgerald, the 159 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: president of the insurance company, did not want the ship 160 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: named after him. I could not see why, but at 161 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: a board meeting he excused himself to go to the bathroom, 162 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: and the board voted and went ahead and overruled him 163 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: and named it after him. Anyway, as the legend goes, 164 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: it was, he was probably just uh, sort of demurring 165 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: and being like, Hey, I'm gonna step out, but make 166 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: sure this happens. Oh I heard when he came back 167 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: he went and bonkers and broke some chairs and the 168 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: water pictures. Now, he seems like a pretty mild bannerd 169 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: guy from what I could tell. Sure to have a 170 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: ship named after you. Uh So, should we go over 171 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of the nuts and bolts of the 172 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: or I guess not really bolts, because you'll soon learn 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: this thing was welded man. That was chef's kiss of 174 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the Eddie fits the s s. Edmond Fitzgerald was seven 175 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: ft long thirty nine ft tall from the top of 176 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: the keel to the bottom of the deck, and had 177 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: three and this you know, some of this stuff you'll 178 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: you want to put a pin in. Um had three 179 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: cargo holds that were separated by bulkheads or they're called 180 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: screen bulkheads. In other words, they're they're not watertight. So 181 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: if water comes in one of these cargo holds and 182 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: fills up enough, it's or tilts a certain way, it 183 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: can go into the other cargo holds and you know 184 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: there's three of them, and if they you know, it's 185 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: just bad news if something starts filling up. But it 186 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: wasn't like a weird design screen bulkheads or it wasn't 187 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: a weird thing. No, because this ship was designed and 188 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: built to sail on the Great Lakes. It wasn't intended 189 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: to be an ocean going ship. Um. And on the 190 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: Great Lakes, yeah, I think get some pretty bad weather 191 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: from time to time, specifically in November. Apparently. Um, it's 192 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: nothing like an Atlantic storm or even a Pacific storm, 193 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure. UM. So yeah, it's not very weird that 194 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: it was built like that. Um. It was also designed 195 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: to hold up to third thousand tons tons of tack 196 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: knite pellets. Um. Normally it would handle something around twenty 197 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: six thousand, but it could. It kept getting rated. The 198 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: company kept going to the Coastguard and saying, it can 199 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: hold more, it can hold more, and the Coastguard kept 200 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: signing off on increasing the load limits to up to 201 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: I think about thirty thousand tons at one point. Um. 202 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: And again this is not this is not unheard of. 203 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: It's not super weird. Um. But the Edmund Fitzgerald was 204 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: like known as a record breaker, and usually it broke 205 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: its own records. So it was a very well known, beloved, 206 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: well thought of ship on on the Great Lakes. That's right. Uh. 207 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: And I mentioned that it was welded. Most ships at 208 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: the time, and I think still most ships are riveted 209 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: because you know, welding. Welding is great, but welding doesn't 210 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: hold up like rivets hold up. But again, this was 211 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: a ship for the Great Lakes. Uh. It was launched 212 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: without even being finished completely. It's not like they had 213 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: big holes in the bottom or anything like that, but 214 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: they it was like, wait, white, we forgot to put 215 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: in the plug, which I've forgotten actually on a boat before. Um. Yeah, yeah, 216 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: it's no good water comes in. Is that where the 217 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: rope trauma came from? But all right, you're getting closer. Awesome, Okay, 218 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: we're getting there. That's a big hint. So they had 219 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: these um this was sort of unusual for a ship 220 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: like this, for an ore shipping ship. Um. They had 221 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: a really sort of styled out pilot house and crew 222 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: quarters and mess area because and this is the stuff 223 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: that wasn't quite finished when they launched. Because this insurance 224 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: company owned it. They kind of it was a bit 225 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: of a feather in their cap to own this at 226 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: the time largest ship on the Great Lakes. I think 227 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: for about a year or so it was the largest one. 228 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: And wait, I have something about that, Chuck. The ship 229 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: that overtook it the next year was one foot longer. 230 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that just dry view bananas? Yeah, that's clearly on purpose, 231 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, definitely. Although I'm looking now, the Edmund 232 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald was nine ft long. Maybe they should have just 233 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: surrounded that off. I don't Yeah, I don't know why 234 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: they did that. Maybe they were like, well, that's how 235 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: how much iron we have to build this kind of 236 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: asking for that extra foot though, you know, I guess so. 237 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: But they could have made it two ft bigger. Yeah, 238 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: it's any ten feet bigger, he knows, but one foot 239 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: that is a thumb in the I I think. Uh So. 240 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: The long and the short of it is these insurance 241 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: executives were super proud of this ship. They thought it 242 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: was kind of cool and they like to go out 243 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: on it and like right along on these runs. So 244 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: that's why they had sort of extra nice accommodations for 245 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: the ship. That was kind of I mean the welding 246 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: design was I don't want to say weird, but it 247 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: was definitely not UM what they usually did. But again 248 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't like some big red flag, No, I was 249 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: like an accepted way to build a ship. From what 250 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: I could tell, Yeah, those executives would go out on 251 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: these voyages because the UM Edmund Fitzgerald was so fast. 252 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: One of his nicknames was the Toledo Express because it 253 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: could make it from Duluth, Minnesota to Toledo, Ohio and 254 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: back in five days. So if you were an executive 255 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: could just basically go for a couple of day voyage 256 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: and you would be eating like lobster and steak from 257 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: what I understand, like they were styled out for sure. 258 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: So it's a really fast ship. It could hold a 259 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: lot of ore. Uh. There were frequently insurance executives partying 260 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: on it. It was. It was again a well regarded 261 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: ship on the Great Lakes. I can't stress that enough. 262 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: It was very well regarded long before the song. So 263 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: these uh. One thing we do mention uh that you 264 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: should also put a pin in is hatch clamps. Uh. 265 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: They had those three cargo holes and in order to 266 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: load the iron ore into the cargo holes. They had 267 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: twenty one hatch innings I guess seven apiece and they 268 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: were very very large hatch openings eleven ft by forty 269 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: eight feet and the doors were made of a single 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: steel slab and they had a rubber gasket to keep 271 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: it watertight. But there were sixty eight clamps per hatch 272 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: and you had to manually like crank these things down. 273 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: So every time you're loading unloading these things, that's almost 274 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: fire clamps that have to be engaged by human power. 275 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: And we say that because apparently when uh the day 276 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: of the Faithful Voyage, it was reported that they don't 277 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: think all those hatches were completely down and if like 278 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: the weather was really good, it sounds like they did 279 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: that kind of thing where you're like building ikea furniture, 280 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, like I don't need all eight screws. I 281 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: can probably just get by with the three, right. I've 282 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: seen both. So this is a really big point of 283 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: contention because it it either places the blame on the 284 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: crew for their fate or unfairly places the blame on 285 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: the crew for their face. UM it does seem like 286 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: it was totally within the role of possibility that UM 287 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: under fair Weather. The captain of an iron carrier or 288 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: carrier um would have set sail without all the clamps done, 289 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: but they wouldn't have been like just forget, let's go 290 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: watch some MTV. They would still they would just be 291 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: putting the clamps on while they were setting safe that 292 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: then then they would finish as they were making their 293 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: way out to sea. So it's possible that they did 294 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: leave port that day, I think November nine, Sunday, November 295 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: without all of their clamps hatched um or all of 296 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: their hatches clamped, But that doesn't mean that they weren't 297 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: clamped within the next couple hours exactly. One other thing 298 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: we'll mention before we go to break is that, uh 299 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: and this this kind of is somewhat noteworthy. A lot 300 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: of times you'll have if you're building a ship, you 301 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: build a couple of them because you're already building that, 302 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: we might as well build another one. And that's called 303 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: a sister ship, and it means it's the ship of 304 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: basically the same design and materials that you're just knocking 305 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: out in tandem. And even though the Eddie Fits did 306 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: not have a an actual true sister ship, there was 307 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: the Arthur B. Homer that was built at the same 308 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: shipyard about a year later, and they were designed very similarly. 309 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: And we bring this up because it's the kind of 310 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: thing where, you know, if you look at the sinking 311 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: of a ship, you might look at the sister ship 312 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: and say, well, we're their design flaws, like why didn't 313 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: this one sink? If this one didn't sink? And the 314 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: Homer never had any problems it. It fared well until 315 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: when it was uh scrapped and out of service. But 316 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: it will come up a couple of times here and there. Okay, 317 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: nice set up, man, I think it is bring time. 318 00:17:51,600 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: All right, let's do it, so Chuck, I think I 319 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: don't know if he was the original captain, he was 320 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: certainly probably one of the most well known captains of 321 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: the Edmund Fitzgerald, the guy named Peter Pulser, and he 322 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: was well known for going through these locks, like this 323 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: ship was designed to just barely squeeze through the locks, 324 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: so it was an enormous thing to see um coming, like, 325 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, you could reach out and touch it basically 326 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: as it was going through the locks. And then to 327 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: make it even more impressive, Captain Pulser would alternately play 328 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: music from speakers to basically give everybody a show. Well, 329 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: the Edmund Fitzgerald was going through the locks, or he 330 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: would use a bullhorn to shout facts about how amazing 331 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: the ship was. Yeah, he was pretty cool. He was 332 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: not the ofen when the Edmund Fitzgerald went down instead. Uh, 333 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: that captain was Ernest m McSorley. And much like the 334 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald, McSorley was well regarded on the lakes as well. Yeah, 335 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: and McSorley was sort of known, as we'll see later 336 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: as someone who would kind of kind of go through 337 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: a storm if at all possible. Um. It didn't seem 338 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: like he was reckless or anything like that or would 339 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, relish in putting his crew in danger. But 340 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: there were, you know, there were times where certain boats 341 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: would pull back and say, hey, maybe we should wait 342 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: this one out. The other boats would push through, and 343 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: he seemed to be the kind of captain that would 344 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: generally try and push through. Yeah. So, um, if there 345 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: was a faithful day in the history of the Edmund Fitzgerald, 346 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: it was Sunday, November because that was when the fits 347 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: the Toledo Express set sail from Superior, Wisconsin, carrying twenty 348 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: six thousand, one hundred and sixteen tons of aconite pellets. 349 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: And I did some math, pretty sure it's right here 350 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: we go. But that's fifty eight and a half million 351 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: pounds of muskeet sized pellets of iron ore, or for 352 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: our friends outside of the Imperial System world, twenty six 353 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: point five million kilograms. That's a lot. And add on 354 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: to that fifty gallons of fuel oil. Ye, that that's 355 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot of weight itself. So but it wasn't, you know, 356 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: technically overloaded. It's just it was well loaded, yes, And 357 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: it left it set sail at two fifteen in the 358 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: afternoon for Zug Island in Lake Michigan, and I was like, 359 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: Zug Island, Zug Island, it's off off Detroit. But I 360 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: was like, but that's not what I know it from. 361 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: And then I remembered, do you remember our episode on 362 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: the humm people can just hear some people here at 363 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: home and it drives them crazy. Well, there's a windsor hum, 364 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: and I remember they associated with Zug Island, and I 365 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: looked it up and it turns out that during the pandemic, 366 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: uh U s Steel Company, who had a steel plant 367 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: on Zug Island UM basically shuttered their operations just for 368 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: do due to lack of um um availability of raw materials, right, 369 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: and the HUM vanished. That's right. So they figured it out. 370 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: It was US Steel, one of their one of their 371 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: UM components of their whole setup. Like that I knew too. 372 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: I thought it was definitely worth mentioning. All right. So 373 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: they're headed towards that island, which is in Lake Michigan. 374 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: H Like you said, it was two fifteen, About two 375 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: hours and fifteen minutes later, at four thirty, the s 376 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: s Arthur M. Anderson set sail from Minnesota headed to Gary, Indiana. 377 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: And they're going to two different places, but they took 378 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: a similar route, which we'll talk about why here in 379 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: a minute. UM. But uh, the sort of again along 380 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: on the short of this is that there was another boat, 381 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: another ship nearby kind of for this whole route, and 382 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: nearby meaning under twenty miles and sometimes even as close 383 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: as like twelve to fifteen miles away, which is which 384 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: is not tailgating someone, but as pretty close as far 385 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: as ship travel goes. Yeah, I mean they could keep 386 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: their their lights in sight the whole time. Basically, UM, 387 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: and the Anderson would end up basically being like the 388 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: the hero of the story. UM. So we just keep 389 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: that in mind. So, UM, a couple of things about 390 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: the Great Lakes themselves. Like I said, UM, ships designed 391 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: to travel the Great Lakes are probably not quite as 392 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: as hardy as a sea going vessel, but they're still 393 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: pretty tough because the Great Lakes has some pretty bad weather, 394 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: particularly in November. UM. And when storms start blowing across 395 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: the Great Lakes in November, the sailors up there called 396 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: the Witch of November, and usually November is the end 397 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: of the season. They'll have their last runs of the 398 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: year in November, try to get as much shipping in 399 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: as they can before the weather turns. And when the 400 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: weather turns, it really really turns, especially on Lake Superior, 401 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: because Lake Superior is huge and long, and there's a 402 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: lot of room for that wind to blow un unobstructed 403 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: across the lake and really pick up some steam. Yeah. 404 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: You know, we've we've talked about this in our hurricane 405 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: episodes and tsunami episodes. Anytime you have long stretches of 406 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: water that a storm is riding across is gonna pick 407 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: up energy from that water and moisture and wind is 408 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: going to create bigger and bigger waves. I think we 409 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: did one on rogue waves, which is really cool. And 410 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: this large stretch of Lake Superior was uh. I mean, 411 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: it wasn't the most well traveled area. And and it 412 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: seems like at least at the time, Lake Superior itself, 413 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: despite being h massively huge, was one of the least 414 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: traveled of the Great Lakes, at least as far as 415 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: these shipping lines go. Yeah. I guess just because there 416 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: were there was more action on the other Great Lakes maybe. Yeah. 417 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: Think only about three hundred and fifty shipwrecks uh in 418 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Lake Superior out of the and we saw different numbers. 419 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: I think six thousand is what most people around. Six 420 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: thousand shipwrecks and all the Great Lakes, I saw a 421 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: size ten, but I think it might depend on that 422 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: might be like all boats or something. I don't know. Yeah, 423 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure either. I definitely saw both um, but 424 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: still that's a pretty low ratio UM. And it's because 425 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: it's just not quite as traveled. Um. It's in addition 426 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: to being huge and wide, it's also really deep. I 427 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: saw somewhere that it's about feet deep, but it's at 428 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: this point it's also extremely cold. Where on the lake 429 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: bottom a few hundred feet down, um, there's there's basically 430 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: no aerobic um life down there. It's it's just devoid 431 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: of It's like basically a freezer. It hovers at about 432 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: thirty two thirty three degrees just above freezing um or wait, 433 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: zero degrees is just above freezing, but still it's really 434 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: really cold. Thirty two degrees is um and so anybody 435 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: who falls in the water is going to catch hypothermia 436 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: pretty fast. It's just one of the parts of the 437 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: lake like it's always cold basically year round. You just 438 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: have to know that about it, all right. So I 439 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: think that's a great setup for what's going on. What 440 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: these lakes look like. It sounds like I'm going to break, 441 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: but we just did that. So they they set out 442 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: the Anderson and the Fitzgerald, and they decide because of 443 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: this weather coming in, I believe the most dangerous weather 444 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: there at Superior comes from the northwest. North by northwest, 445 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: is that right? So they decide, all right, this weather 446 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: is coming, We're gonna take what they you know, people 447 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: that sail that area jokingly called the scenic Route, which 448 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: was basically two to try and stay as far away 449 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: from the meat of this storm as possible, and it 450 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: would take a little bit longer, but it was supposedly 451 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: a safer route if you have bad weather coming in. Yeah, 452 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: but as we'll see, it would be a very fateful decision. 453 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: And this was a this happened to be a voyage 454 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: chuck full of fateful decisions. But that scenic route, and 455 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: they purposely took the scenic route because the weather was 456 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be bad. I think they left at two 457 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: thirty pm and by seven pm there was a gale 458 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: warning for the entire lake. So that's a big storm. 459 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: I think this one actually came up from Oklahoma, they said, 460 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: across the plains, hit the lake and just started messing 461 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: things up. Um, So they took this northern route to 462 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: try to stay away from the weather as much as possible. 463 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: But like you said, McSorley was known as a heavy 464 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: weather captain, so he was definitely the type to push ahead. 465 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: He wasn't the only one to push ahead through this 466 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: this storm. There were plenty of others the Arthur Anderson 467 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: among others, who were just making their way through the 468 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: storm because they had ships they believed in. But they 469 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: also passed a handful of different places where they could 470 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: have stopped and waited out the storm in safety, and didn't. 471 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: They pressed on another handful of fateful decisions. Yeah, because 472 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: you can like pull behind an island or sneak into 473 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: a bay or something like that and ride it up 474 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: for a little while. Uh. Instead they traveled along that 475 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: north shore and then made about a seventy degree right 476 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: turn down the eastern shore toward Whitefish Bay. And this 477 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: is where, like, if you got to Whitefish Bay, then 478 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: you were kind of in a safety zone even if 479 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: it was bad weather. Uh. And then that would like 480 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of send you on to what's called the Sioux 481 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: Locks s o O. But in order to get there, 482 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: they had to cross a big stretch of open water 483 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: with all this weather hitting them broadside. It was a 484 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: sort of a dangerous sprint to try and get to 485 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: Whitefish Bay. And the weather started getting worse and worse 486 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: throughout the day and they went past. Uh. And I 487 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: looked this up too, so I hope I get it right, Uh, 488 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: MITCHI Pecotton Island very nice, and that was where you know, 489 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: they could potentially find some safe harbor there. But they 490 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: didn't stop there. They just kept going. Yeah, they kept going, 491 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: and that was probably the last place that they could 492 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: have stopped. Um. There was another small island called Cariboo Island, 493 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: and if you look at it on the map, you're like, 494 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that would help very much. So, um, 495 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: Mitch Pecoten Island is probably the last chance that they had. 496 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: And again MC's oiley said, no, we can make it. 497 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: But when they made that right hand turn um and 498 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: started heading along parallel to basically the eastern shore, the 499 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: weather that hit the far western shore of Lake Superior 500 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: could have made a straight line right to them unobstructed. 501 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: So they were turning um their side, the weakest part 502 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: of their ship into the worst weather of the storm 503 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: that had picked up in the worst month for storms 504 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: of any given year. Um, that's what they did when 505 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: they took that right turn. Uh. So MC sorley radios 506 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: at three thirty the other ship that Anderson and says 507 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: a few things that we're going to break down here 508 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: says I have a fence rail down. I've lost a 509 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: couple of events and have a list. So the fence 510 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: rail is what you think it is, and it's held 511 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: up by cable. Um, you know, going along the perimeter 512 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: of the deck, and we don't know exactly what happened. 513 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: There are a few theories it could have just snapped 514 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: because the the ship might have been flexing at this 515 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: point along its length, and this is where if a 516 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: boat is riveted, it's going to be a little stronger. 517 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: If the ship is twisting, then if you have it welded, 518 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: like a weld could break loose and not hold. Uh. 519 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Rivet is supposed to hold. That's why they make, you know, 520 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: big ships and jumbo jets out of them, right, And 521 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: it's too basically put up with a certain amount of 522 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: flex right, Yeah, absolutely, like you can. For my understanding, 523 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: like if you lose a rivet, it's not the same 524 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: thing as like breaking a weld, right, yeah, same same here. 525 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: I think that's that's correct. So the the upshot of 526 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: it is if they lost their fence rail because a 527 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: wave took it off, that's one thing. But if they 528 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: lost their fence rail because the ship flexed so much 529 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: that it popped off, that's a different thing, especially for 530 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: a welded ship. So we don't exactly know what happened 531 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: with that, but it was enough that MIxS Ortley mentioned 532 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: it and Again, this is a seasoned veteran Great Lakes 533 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: pilot Um and anything he mentions or doesn't mention is 534 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: significant in retrospect. So he mentions that he mentioned the 535 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: vents being gone UM, and the vents were used to 536 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: maintain air pressure in the hold, so they might be 537 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: open a little bit, closed a little bit depending on 538 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: what was in there, how empty it was UM and 539 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: that also was to keep the ship intact um in 540 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: an event, being gone means that there was now a 541 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: hole in the deck where water could slash in, but 542 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't enough that it was going to sink the ship. 543 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: But again that was worth mentioning by Mick Sorley. Uh. 544 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: And then the last thing you mentioned is that I 545 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: have a list uh. And in shipping, that doesn't mean, 546 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, uh, go buy milk and take out the trash. 547 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: That means that the boat is tilting to one side. 548 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: And that's definitely not a good thing because that means 549 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: there's probably water somewhere in the hold, like and maybe 550 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: one of those cargo holds, and it's not evenly distributed. 551 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: So your your boat is is catti wamp us. Right, 552 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. So that was 553 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: what do you say, three thirty pm? Right, That's when 554 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: he radioed, yeah, okay, so, um, and this was November ten. 555 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we said they set sail on 556 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: November nine, and this is now about twenty four hours 557 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: later after they've gone underway, So this is three thirty 558 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: on November ten, and they're still making their way. McSorley 559 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: told Anderson that, um, I'm concerned enough that I'm going 560 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: to slow down to let you catch up, just so 561 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: you can be a little closer in case something happens. 562 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: That's significant. That's that he's saying, like I need the 563 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: help of another ship or I just want to have 564 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: another ship around for safety. And then also he may 565 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: him that his pumps were running. He apparently said both pumps, 566 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: which is quizzical because they had six pumps on board. 567 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: They had to two thousand gallon per minute auxiliary pumps. 568 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: Just stop and think about that for a second. Then 569 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: they had four seven thousand gallon per minute pumps, so 570 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: if you put them all together, that ship could pump 571 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: out thirty two thousand gallons of water per minute with 572 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: its pumps. And he had at least a couple of 573 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: them running. So he knew that he had been taking 574 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: on water. I just get the impression he didn't know 575 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: how much, al right. So less than one hour from 576 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: that point, Fitzgerald radios again to the Anderson and said, 577 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: I I've lost both of the radar units. And this 578 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: just sort of presumed that it was probably just from 579 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: these big waves crashing over and smashing them. And he said, 580 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: will you please stay close to at this point because 581 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: we were gonna need some navigational assistance. We need you 582 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: close by. Things are getting really rough out here. I'm 583 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: sure the Anderson was like, no, kidding, like we're in 584 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: this storm too, but you know, Acquiesced stayed within fifteen 585 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: miles of the Fitzgerald and as they were headed toward 586 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: Whitefish Point, Um, the points radio beacon wasn't working. This 587 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: was later confirmed that it wasn't working, and there was 588 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: a ship another ship nearby called the It was a 589 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: Swedish ship called the A Before and Fits called them 590 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: said hey, I hear there's no radio beacon at the 591 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: point at Whitefish Point Um, but is the is the 592 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: white House still operating? And oh yeah, that's exactly what happened. 593 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: So apparently the lighthouse is still working. But the radio 594 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: beacon wasn't. And then the other thing mcsureley very key 595 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: told the a before was I've got a bad list 596 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: and these are the worst seas I've ever experienced. And 597 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: then on a hot mic was heard saying don't allow 598 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: nobody on deck. So all of the crew at this 599 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: point is like sheltering and working. Yeah, but I mean, 600 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: I think sheltering as much as anything. It had a 601 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: bad list. It was getting battered by waves that I 602 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: think that Anderson later reported were up to ft and 603 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: it was taking on water to some degree or another. 604 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: We just don't know. Seven ten pm, so this is 605 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: this is this. The first time he radioed the Anderson 606 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: saying we got some problems was two thirty. They've you know, 607 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: made it, made their way all the way along to 608 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: seven ten pm, and the Anderson this time got in 609 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: touch with the Edmn Fitzgerald and said, hey, there's another 610 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: ship heading northbound. Just wanted to give you the heads up. 611 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: How are you guys doing And the response from the 612 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald was we're holding our own. And that turned 613 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: out to be the final message from the Edmund Fitzgerald. 614 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: That was at seven ten pm a squall whipped up 615 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: and temporarily not only um blinded the visuals from the 616 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: Anderson of the Edmund Fitzgerald, it swamped their dar too, 617 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: so they couldn't catch anything on radar for about ten minutes. 618 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: Then the whole thing cleared up and they could see again. 619 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: But what they couldn't see was the Edmund Fitzgerald. And 620 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: it's not that they couldn't see because they could see 621 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: that northbound ship further away. They could see the lights 622 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: of Whitefish Point further away. But what they did not 623 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: see was the Edmond Fitzgerald. So in that ten minutes, 624 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: the Edmund Fitzgerald went from being on top of the 625 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: Great Lakes to sinking, which is astoundingly fast for a 626 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty sorry, twenty nine ft ship. Yeah, 627 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: super fast. Uh. I think that's a great place for 628 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: a second break, and we'll talk about some of the 629 00:35:39,000 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: theories and what happened right for this all right, So 630 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: the Anderson has uh looked out their front window ten 631 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: minutes after they hear that the Eddie fits is holding 632 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: its own or her own I guess even though I 633 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: did see one of the people referred to the Edmund 634 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald as a he but then everywhere else I look 635 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: said she, yeah, maybe they were talking about the actual 636 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: president of the insurance company. Maybe so. Uh, so they 637 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: get the word ten minutes later, the Edmund Fitzgerald is 638 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: no longer in sight. And uh the Anderson captain, Captain 639 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: Cooper started to try and get in touch with the 640 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: coast Guard and said, hey, that we think this this 641 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: boat has sank out here. The ship we can't even 642 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: see it anymore, and the coast Guard didn't believe him 643 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: at first. I had to get all the way to 644 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: Whitefish Point, uh and pull in there, and there was 645 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: clearly no Edmund Fitzgerald there at that point. Before they 646 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: finally got on the emerge and see response. But again 647 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: another like you know, and it may have been futile, 648 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, sort of uh in retrospect, considering how fast 649 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: this thing went down. Um, maybe there was no chance 650 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: of saving any lives. But there wasn't much of an 651 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: effort that could be made because the storm was so bad. Uh. 652 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: The coast Guard didn't have a rescue vessel available unless 653 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: it came from I think Minnesota, which was like twenty 654 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: four hours away. Uh. They had search aircraft, but they 655 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: couldn't perform rescues. Uh. And they said to the Anderson, Hey, 656 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: I know you just came in from this horrible experience 657 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: at sea. Would you go back out there in this 658 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: weather and look for survivors? And the Anderson, to their credit, 659 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: said yeah, well we'll do it. We'll do our best. Yeah. 660 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: Super to their credit because they didn't just ask the Anderson. 661 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,959 Speaker 1: They asked all ships in the area who would go back, 662 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: and uh, the Anderson, I think there was another one 663 00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: that went back, but a handful of them were like, 664 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: now we're not it's just too risky. There's probably no survivors. 665 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: Were just not doing it. And I saw that you 666 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: really can't fault them, like that's the smart thing to 667 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: do if you're a captain. But um, it really is 668 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: to the Anderson and the other ship's credit for having 669 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: turned around and going back out there just on the 670 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: slimmest chance that there was somebody who they could rescue. 671 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: And what they found was a couple of battered lifeboats, 672 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: little bit of flotsam, and that was it. I don't 673 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: even think they found an oil slick um and there 674 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: was nothing. There were no survivors. There were there was 675 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: no one Um, there were no corpses. There was just 676 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: nothing there. Um. What's amazing, though, Chuck, is after just 677 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: a couple of days they managed to locate the ship, 678 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: and they located the ship in about five and thirty 679 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: ft of water about seventeen miles off of white Fish Point. 680 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: Right when they got to Whitefish Point they would have 681 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: hit the harbor, they would have been totally safe, and 682 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: that that boat could go almost sixteen miles an hour 683 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: at top speed, So they were roughly an hour away 684 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: from safety and they sank. It gets even worse. This 685 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: was the last um, the last trip of the season, 686 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: and the first mate and the captain were both retiring, 687 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: so this was their last, their last sale, their last trip. 688 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 1: So all of those things put together and you're like, man, 689 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: that was so close and it went down. But when 690 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: it went down, it doesn't matter if you're one mile 691 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: or seventeen miles or a hundred miles. That water is 692 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: so cold you're you're in trouble really fast. That's that's 693 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: the movie trope. If someone mentions retirement, if it's like 694 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: a cop or somebody or anyone that drives a large thing, 695 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: like well, there that show that you recommended to me 696 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: even had that trope. I don't remember that part, but 697 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: I'll have to go back and watch the Do you 698 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: like the show, Well, we're almost done. We got one more. Uh. 699 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to give away that part. But we're 700 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: talking about the Devil's Hour. It's an Amazon Prime Um 701 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: special original. We're way into it. But I don't want 702 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: to say anything else. I don't want to give anything away. Well, 703 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna love the last episode because like there's nothing 704 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: that's left, like unbuttoned. It's it's the opposite of severance. 705 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: I have a feeling, well, severances continues. But does this 706 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: show continue or is this a one off? This is it? Okay, 707 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm about to get Scooby Dude tonight then right, Yeah, 708 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna love it, dude. I'll be very surprised if 709 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: you're like, this is terrible. Good show, good recommendation. Thank you. 710 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: So the next Spring six that was a one of 711 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: those little unmanned robotic diving camera vehicles that did a 712 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: big underwater search and survey of the record site and 713 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: what they found, which explains a lot, but also not 714 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't explain really what happened, but they explained how 715 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: fast it happened when they found two pieces. They found 716 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald basically in two big chunks, uh, the bowl 717 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 1: which was upright, but it was listing at about fifteen 718 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: degrees and it was buried in thirty feet of mud, 719 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: which really indicates how fast it's basically torpedoed to the 720 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: bottom into thirty ft of mud. And then they had 721 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: the f section about a hundred and seventy feet away, 722 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: which was upside down. So this boat essentially kind of 723 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: broken half. It did, and um that when it when 724 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: it hit that thirty ft of mud. Apparently the reason 725 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: it stopped at thirty ft was because it hit bedrock. 726 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: It would have kept, yeah, it probably, but it hit bedrocks, 727 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: so it stopped immediately. And um, if you believe that 728 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: that ship was in one piece as it was going 729 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: down and hit hit the bottom, then that means all 730 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: of that weight, of the twenty six thousand tons of 731 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: tech nite pellets, all the water is carrying all the 732 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: fuel it's ill had came barreling towards the front that 733 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: had stopped, and that the whole thing just came apart. 734 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: And apparently on the wreck site there's about two feet 735 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: of the ship missing, and it's not missing, it's just 736 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: torn into such ribbons that it appears to just disintegrated. 737 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: But that that's that seems to support the idea that 738 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: it did go down in one piece, which is there's 739 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: a couple of theories on that. Well, I guess we 740 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: should talk about some of the theories. Um. You know, 741 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: there have been plenty of dives over the years that 742 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: went down there. I think the the families are always 743 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: worried that just recreational divers, we're going to go down 744 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: there and sort of desecrate a sacred spot. So it's 745 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: in Canadian waters, and over the years, the Ontario Heritage 746 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: Act has been amended a few times to restrict access, 747 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: so no one that's not official could get down there. 748 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: So that's good. Um. But there's a few theories about 749 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: what happened officially, Um, there are a couple of reports. UM. 750 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: One was from the TSB. It was inconclusive but basically 751 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: said there were heavy seas, there were heavy waves, the 752 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: ship basically became a wash what they call green water, 753 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: which are waves that are so deep that there they 754 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: actually have color to them, and that the deck sides 755 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: held all this water there and the hatches were not 756 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: fully water tight because those clamps weren't fastened down all 757 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: the way, and so you just had water pouring in 758 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: there and pouring in there and pouring in there, and 759 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: eventually that was enough water to fully collapse one of 760 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: those huge steel doors for one of the cargo holes 761 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: for one of those hatches, and just massive amounts of 762 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: water started pouring in and it sank super fast. Yeah, 763 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: and those I saw a presentation by a guy I 764 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 1: can't remember if it's Rick or Bruce mixed r. He's 765 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: one of the people who's UM officially been a member 766 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: of like dives and expeditions to the admin Fitzger and 767 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: he showed pictures of UM those clamps that were still intact, 768 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: and he he was he made a really good point. 769 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: I thought, UM, if those clamps had been shut on 770 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: a hatch that was torn off or popped off when 771 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: the UM when the ship like hit that bedrock, UM, 772 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: that clamp would be in pieces, it would be all twisted. 773 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: But the fact that it's in tact suggests that it 774 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: was not attached or clamped at the time that the 775 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: ship sunk. So they're probably almost certainly were clamps that 776 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: were not attached that we're not clamped down. But whether 777 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: that's what caused the problem or not is the that's 778 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: a big point of contention because again it says this 779 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: guy should have known better, They really should have clamped 780 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: the stuff. Maybe they would have survived had they had 781 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: they clamped their hatches like they were supposed to. Or 782 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: it's you know that this was a force of nature 783 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: that was was inevitable. Um, that's kind of what it 784 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: comes down to. And depending on who you are, you know, 785 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: especially if you're a family member, because there's plenty of 786 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: family members still alive. But this is so recent. The 787 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,800 Speaker 1: Arthur m. Anderson is still it still works like it's 788 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: it's still out there on the Great Lakes today. Um, 789 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: and there's plenty of family members who weren't like you know, 790 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: great great grandsons these Yeah, there are people whose dad's 791 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: they were are alive now and are are you know, 792 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: get really upset at the idea that, you know, the 793 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: suggestion that this was their fault, so much so that 794 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: apparently Gordon Lightfoot in the original version of the song, 795 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: he talks about the hatches being unlatched, and um, he 796 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: found out how upset that that was making the families, uh, 797 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: and that it was possible that wasn't true, and he 798 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: went back and revised the lyrics. That is why he's 799 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: the Pride of Canada. I think he a couple of 800 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: different times revised the lyrics too, sort of more accurately 801 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: reflect what may have happened, which, yeah, I mean that's 802 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: something that you don't see a lot. Okay, So if 803 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: the iches were open, Chuck, that would fully explain how 804 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: the ship sunk, because, like you said, these were screen 805 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: dividers that that kept them that didn't really separate the 806 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: um the holds from one another from water, right right, 807 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: So water going in one of these giant by eleven 808 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: foot hatch openings would probably be enough to to sink 809 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: the ship. That's one. That's one UM idea. There's another 810 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: idea that has nothing to do with hatches to right, Yeah, 811 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean there are a couple. Uh. The Lake Carriers Association, Uh, 812 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: they had a report that suggested that it struck a shoal, 813 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: the six fathom shoal at Cariboo Island, UM. And this 814 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: is based on some different things. Partially that UM Captain 815 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: Cooper of the Anderson noted that that Edmund Fitzgerald was 816 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: closer to Cariboo than made him comfortable. He was like, 817 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: they're a little too close. So it may have hit 818 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: the shoal, but I think they haven't really found shoal 819 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: damage at the wreckage site. Uh. And then the other 820 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: big one is possibly a series of three rogue waves 821 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: that just took this thing down in quick succession. Yeah. 822 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,720 Speaker 1: The captain of the Anderson, Bernie Cooper, apparently said later 823 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: on that there were two waves that passed him that 824 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: were just huge, and he was behind the um the 825 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: Eman Fitzgerald, which meant those waves were heading towards the 826 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: Van Fitzgerald. And he said it was right at the time, 827 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: around between seven ten seven twenty. That would have fully 828 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: accounted for pushing the Evan Fitzgerald down. And all it 829 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: had to do again was get that bow down underwater 830 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: and get the stern up out of the water a 831 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,879 Speaker 1: little bit, and all of those tac knite pellets would 832 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: have slid forward and it would have just been the 833 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: end from that point on, and it would have happened 834 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: really really fast too. Uh. If that's exactly what happened. 835 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: So it's possible if they did get swamped by a 836 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: couple of waves. It was over in seconds basically, Yeah, 837 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: I mean they went down in ten minutes. That's that 838 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: also helps explain why you know, there was no time 839 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: to get into lifeboats or anything like that. Uh, it's 840 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: also why they didn't, you know, the only bodies they 841 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: found I think we're still in the ship basically. Um, 842 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: you know we mentioned earlier than not quite sister ship, 843 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: the Homer as far as comparing, like, hey, this thing 844 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: was welded and not riveted, and it always did fine. 845 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,879 Speaker 1: It didn't go through a storm like this, so it's 846 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: you can't make like a direct comparison. Uh. There's also 847 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: other theories that like those hatch covers were maybe damaged 848 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: by equipment flying around or like a tree, uh you 849 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: know there. You know it was along the shoreline, so 850 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: there could have been like trees out there being washed aboard. Well. 851 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: Plus also they were carrying a spare propeller blade, massive 852 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: propeller blade on deck, so it's possible that that got 853 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: loose and started sliding around. That would have caused some 854 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: pretty big damage too. But you just don't know, like 855 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: as not far back in time as this was in 856 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: seventy five, Like we have a really accurate records of 857 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: it going out and what it was carrying, and how 858 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: many people were on board and what time everything happened. 859 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: But it's what happened in that that lost ten minutes 860 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: that no one will ever really know. I don't think, yeah, no, 861 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: And and it's almost certain we won't know because there 862 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: were three major expeditions on the wreck, eight nine and 863 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: ninety five, and after the ninety five expedition, the families said, okay, um, 864 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: we've we've gotten all the evidence we can get. Um, 865 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: we don't want anyone diving on the wreck anymore. And 866 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: on the people on the expedition promised they wouldn't dive 867 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 1: on the Edmund Fitzgerald anymore. And I think since two 868 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: thousand four or five, like you said, it's been protected 869 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: by the government of Ontario, so you could get to it, 870 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: but you could probably get in trouble. And also you 871 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: would be diving on a grave, a grave site basically, 872 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: and you're not really supposed to do that, especially when 873 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: the family is alive and asking you not to do that. 874 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: And there's actually a piece of the Edmund Fitzgerald that 875 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: you can go see at the Great Lakes Ship of 876 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: Shipwreck Museum in Whitefish Point. And it's the bell, the 877 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: bell of the Yeah, it was raised on that expedition. Um. 878 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: There was a huge team of people from all over 879 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: the world who came together. Um. The family was there 880 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: on eighty five ft yacht that was donated by the 881 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,280 Speaker 1: guy who invented the bunt pan and got very wealthy 882 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: from that, and I guess Um took an interest in 883 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: helping those people out. I can't remember what his name is. 884 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: I feel like a jerk for not remembering him. But no, 885 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't bunt It's a variation of boond Um. Yeah. 886 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,359 Speaker 1: They added the T I think to make it less 887 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: nazi Ish. But Um they raised the bell, and there 888 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: was a lot of controversy about that too, Chuck, because 889 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: that's part of the ship. According to some people, that's 890 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: the heart and soul of the ship, as the bell, 891 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: and the enough of the families wanted it that the 892 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,399 Speaker 1: government of Ontario, along humanitarian ground said okay, you guys 893 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 1: can go retreat that and it's now Um you can 894 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: see it at the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum, and they 895 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: replaced it with a replica of the bell that has 896 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: the inscription of all twenty nine men who went down 897 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: with the ship their names on that. Yeah, classy move. 898 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: And when they brought it up, they had a big 899 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: ceremony where they rang the bell thirty times, twenty nine 900 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: for the lost souls, and then one to commemorate all 901 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: the other souls lost at sea on the Great Lakes. So, uh, 902 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't have any family that was on that ship, 903 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: but it seemed like a I think, like a pretty 904 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 1: respectful way to memorialize it. Was. It was, like I said, 905 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: it was kind of controversial, but in the end it 906 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,879 Speaker 1: seemed like, yes, it was. It was a good way 907 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 1: to do it. And I saw footage from that expedition 908 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: where as that bell breaks the water, it started ringing 909 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: just from the wave action, and it was like haunting, 910 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: you know, just to hear that and it just it 911 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,280 Speaker 1: happening on its own like that. It was really something. 912 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 1: So that's it. Now. Do you understand why kids along 913 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: the Great Lakes are raised on their story? You understand now? 914 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,359 Speaker 1: I hope everybody else understands two and sheds a tear 915 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: for the twenty nine souls that went down with the 916 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald agreed, also, Chuck, we need to hat tip 917 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: our good friend ed Grabanowski the Grabster, for helping us 918 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: out with us when he did a fantastic job. Great 919 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: great article. Ed. Uh, since I just thanked ed, and 920 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: since I also previously just spoke like a sea captain, 921 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: of course it's time for listener mail. Uh. This guy 922 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,840 Speaker 1: just sounds awesome, and so I'm gonna read his email. 923 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,920 Speaker 1: Hey guys, I was, as per usual, I greatly enjoyed 924 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: your podcast on typewriters. I particularly liked the section on 925 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: the IBM S Electric. We got a lot of electric 926 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,439 Speaker 1: enthusiasts boomers that wrote in that were just like, oh man, 927 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: what a great machine. As one of the earliest personal 928 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: computer geeks, I desperately wanted a printer. The cheapest dot 929 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: Matrix printers were pouring quality and way out of my 930 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: price range. So in I bought a US Electric took 931 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: it apart. It was a marvel of mechanical engineering inside, 932 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: truly wondrous. I found that I could attach tin solaroids 933 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: to the various levers and parts of the whiffle tree 934 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 1: inside to make it fully computer controlled with an altar computer, 935 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: and I ended up printing my thesis on it. Glavin 936 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: super Glavin two minor additions to your description of this electric. 937 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: The typewriter had only one motor uh to power all functions, 938 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: and it ran continuously clever clutches and linkage is made. 939 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: Everything from keystrokes and tabs to carriage returns run from 940 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: that single motor. The second thing to add was the 941 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: greatest feature of this electric The golf ball print head 942 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: would be swapped very quickly to give you a whole 943 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,880 Speaker 1: new font so you could type with the talics Greek letters, 944 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,800 Speaker 1: which is useful for scientific papers, even special computer symbols 945 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: as for the A p L computer language. Uh. And 946 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: that is from Ken Wells, my new favorite listener. Yes, Ken, 947 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 1: hats off like I would be telling everybody that story too, 948 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: So I'm glad We've got to spread the news that 949 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: you are an awesome engineering type. So way to go. 950 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: If you want to be like Ken and get in 951 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: touch with us, you can via email. You can make 952 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: your own computer if you want to start, but either way, 953 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:31,399 Speaker 1: address it to stuff podcast at iHeart radio dot com. 954 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,800 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of I Heart Radio. 955 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,439 Speaker 1: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 956 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,