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Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter because we only have twenty six

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Speaker 2: games left in this beautiful NFL season, and because the

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Speaker 2: to test your patients. Six games already in the book

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Speaker 2: Welcome In, Mike Harmon alongside Bucky Brooks, Andy Furman with

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Speaker 2: you at Andy Furman, FSR at Bucky Brooks in the

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Speaker 2: Twitter verse, as we get ready for another week. Great

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Speaker 2: holiday run fellas, the the happy Honukkah, Merry Christmas, all

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: It's not too late for that, is it.

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Speaker 2: I know folks want to just move on to the

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Speaker 2: next thing, get the trees out and get into Valentine's

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Speaker 2: Day decorations. But I'm not ready yet. I'm not ready.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, fellas that No, people were a little

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Speaker 2: nicer the last couple of weeks. How about we keep

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Speaker 2: that going.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for the fourth of July.

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Speaker 2: When you kid, wow, I mean you are. You have

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Speaker 2: the witten Tree mix over there.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the sun in three months. Well, you've

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Speaker 1: got to get out of your basement. That might be there.

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Speaker 1: But I did hear you were singing quite a bit

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Speaker 1: this thing.

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Speaker 2: I come in and I'm making a cup of coffee,

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Speaker 2: and I got the dulcent tones of Andy Ferman. I

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Speaker 2: thought we'd maybe help give you a prompt if you

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Speaker 2: want to keep going.

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Speaker 3: Oh Abba abba abba, Yeah, Fernando, there it is.

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Speaker 1: See. Oh it's another beautiful day here at Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: It's a Fox Football Sunday. Oh, I mean you were singing, Fernando.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, let's get him actually into the

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Speaker 1: And you know, I have.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful Aba sweater that I wear around the holidays. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: based on the holiday holiday holiday merch that they offer.

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Speaker 2: My kids being half Swedish, so you know, we celebrate

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Speaker 2: their homeland, my my ex and her Swedish heritage, so

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Speaker 2: we get into that a bit. I make the glug.

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Speaker 2: I can't ship it though they get mad at me.

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Speaker 2: It's like there's is there alcohol in here? And I

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Speaker 1: So I can't ship it.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're gonna have to show up and drink it

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Speaker 2: with me in person at some point with the school.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, a very active week of football action all

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Speaker 2: over the place, including three games yesterday in the midst

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Speaker 2: of the bowl season. And let's just start there, the lamentation,

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Speaker 2: the overlap and you know, meaningless people are declaring bowl

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Speaker 2: games dead for a long time. Now we're just in

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Speaker 2: the next iteration of it. All right, we've expanded the

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Speaker 2: playoffs and we still have guys fired up. But I

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Speaker 2: wanted to start and maybe you guys have touched on it.

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Speaker 2: You'll find the podcast of their conversations of the last

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Speaker 2: two hours, new Man tagging in new affiliates coming in

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Speaker 2: the cam Ward situation. You got people all up in

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Speaker 2: I'm at the point where every extra minute we get

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Speaker 2: of guys shining on the collegiate stage, however we get it,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna celebrate it because it is a moving environment,

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Speaker 2: a changing environment, and whatever you thought you knew and

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Speaker 2: loved about college football college athletics in general, you need

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Speaker 2: year to year it is changing fellas. So I can't

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, man, Look I've viewed this, and I viewed

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Speaker 4: these bowl games as nothing more than preseason games. Like

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Speaker 5: In the college football playoff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you do your due diligence, you play,

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Speaker 5: He suited up and gave us a half.

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Speaker 4: Look, that's more than you can bargain for the fact

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Speaker 4: that Shaduor Sanders and Travis Hunter played in their bowl game.

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Speaker 5: That's more than you bargained for when you are.

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Speaker 4: Already off to the next level, like one foot already

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Speaker 4: in the NFL these bowl games. Nah, you shut it,

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Speaker 4: So I don't have anything, like I know. There was

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Speaker 4: There are a ton of NFL prospects that aren't playing

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Speaker 4: in bowl games. So I don't understand why someone who

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Speaker 5: Doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 3: First of all, mister Brooks, let me just say this.

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Speaker 3: You talk about Hunter and Sanders play for Colorado, you

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Speaker 3: policy on God's Green Earth that's number That's why I played.

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Speaker 1: They had nothing to lose. Number one.

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Speaker 3: Number two, Bowl games are good for two people and

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Speaker 3: two people only two groups of people. Number one college coaches.

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Speaker 3: It saves their rear end because if they win six

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Speaker 3: two groups of people that care about bowl games on

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Speaker 1: That's it. Oh, the numbers will bear it out.

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Speaker 2: I mean enough folks maybe in the sedentary mood after

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Speaker 1: You go, you get a standing ovation. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: standing ovation for that one. A well, look we could

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Speaker 2: Look Mark's gonna get in his bag now. You got

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Speaker 2: But the gamblers, certainly, it makes it a little more

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Speaker 1: As part of it.

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Speaker 2: Part of your analysis and algorithm is how many guys

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Speaker 2: have entered the portal. Let's see, even then it really

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. We talked about fran Brown getting the victory

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Speaker 1: How many the portal hypocrite?

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Speaker 2: Well, how many guys entered the portal that he took

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Speaker 3: Let alone, let alone his own moving around from George

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Speaker 3: Guilt, So you can't let your guys go for more guilty.

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Speaker 3: They made a name for themselves in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: pay him. They didn't pay them, They went somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Actually done. Yeah, see how it all ties together.

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Speaker 2: But also, guys that he got it, He got rich

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Speaker 5: Is nature of the business.

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Speaker 4: I can understand this frustration and look, I get it,

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Speaker 4: and I've been one of the main proponents. Like, look,

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Speaker 4: it's hidden behind this guise of college athletics, which makes

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Speaker 5: Right in front of our eyes.

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Speaker 4: I can understand an older coach who grew up in

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to add all sorts of layers of

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Speaker 2: And each university is going through the process and either

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Speaker 2: depending on where you're at right. You know, I'm a

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Speaker 2: Northwest this should have been for them. Look, they've got

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Speaker 2: you had a coach stand up and go, hey, we

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Speaker 2: got all these guys here, how many dollars of nil zero?

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Speaker 1: Like no, no.

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Speaker 2: That means that you didn't go out And now they've

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Speaker 2: gotten a couple of transfers and they've gotten some other

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Speaker 2: of you know, being a late adopter versus you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up I'm glad you went to Northwest,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you why, because Northwestern is a school

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Speaker 1: Any IVY league school in the country.

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Speaker 3: How in the hell can a kid transfer from school

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Speaker 3: don't know. Wow, and forget about the transferring. I mean

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Speaker 3: I get it. I mean you can't fight the portal situation,

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Speaker 3: but where are the presidents to come out there and say, Look,

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Speaker 3: when I was in college and I was thinking of

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Speaker 3: transferring for a different major after my sophomore year, I

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not going to transfer. Now,

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Speaker 1: how do these kids? How do they do it?

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Speaker 2: Guys go to three four different schools. How is that possible?

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Speaker 2: You have a royal sampler degree. Look at what they'd

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Speaker 3: The least is bigger now and I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 5: None of them? None of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No one wants to see that crazy.

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Speaker 2: Am out of fundraising that you have to do. Anybody

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Speaker 2: want to buy some popcorn at Bucky Brooks at Andy

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Speaker 2: Furman FSR. It's where you find him in the Twitter verse.

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Speaker 2: Read Bucky NFL dot com, Foxsports dot Com.

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Speaker 2: You've got Andy and the links to his articles that

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Speaker 2: repeatedly in a six to three defeat, So that was good.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that as one of the games that well.

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Speaker 2: It was and for Seattle kept their playoff hopes alive.

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Speaker 2: And that's where we had next. As we continue here,

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back in Fox Football Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Here Fox Sports Radio Mike Carmen alongside Bucky brooks Andy

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Speaker 2: Furman in the end, everybody just wants to play football.

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Speaker 1: Let him get on the field and get after it.

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Speaker 2: We continued some of the economics of this in the

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Speaker 2: during during the commercials, Bucky Andy is pretty funny. I

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Speaker 2: started recounting to our esteemed technical producer Mark and our

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Speaker 2: guy Shay, our executive producer, a little my history, and

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, my parents, you know, they made sure

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Speaker 1: And then there's me, uh, Carnival Barki and Marco's yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're like the magician in the family. Like, there you go.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna watch me pull a rabbit out of

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Speaker 2: So six games already in the book. For this week's fellas,

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Speaker 2: we actually had a couple of great ones. I mean,

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Speaker 2: how are the people of of Ohio and Kentucky reacting

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Speaker 2: to the Hey, there's another life. Even though as a

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Speaker 2: cat you're normally get you get nine lives, you don't

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Speaker 2: normally give other teams lives, as the Bengals tried to

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Speaker 2: do yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's the vibe there this morning?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: Andy, you know the vibe is alcohol sales throughout twelve percent.

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Speaker 1: They're going crazy. How about that tricking the chicken in

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Speaker 1: the streets.

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Speaker 5: It's great.

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Speaker 2: He quantified that for me really fast there, Bucky. I

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Speaker 2: like that he's got his he he's got his feet

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Speaker 2: on the ground.

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Speaker 3: You know, if all the cities I've ever lived, and

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Speaker 3: this is probably the biggest beer drinking town I've ever

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Speaker 3: really been, it's amazing. I mean I used to think

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Speaker 3: like maybe Saint Louis was and Milwaukee, but Cincinnati to me,

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Speaker 3: it's they bathing beer. It's amazing they really do. And

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Speaker 3: that the beer has been flowing since the Bengals it

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Speaker 3: was perfect. Was The game ended about maybe seven thirty

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Speaker 3: Eastern time, So there's plenty of time till the bars

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Speaker 3: closed last night. I'm sure people are staggering. The good

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Speaker 3: news is that people will probably make it to work tomorrow. Well,

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Speaker 3: they probably take off the week anyway because of New

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Speaker 3: Year's so you know this hope, this hope in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that middle of the week, even with the defense

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Speaker 2: being what it is, Bucky, it didn't look bad.

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Speaker 1: It didn't look too big yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Now except for a couple of drives, especially one where

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Speaker 2: it mattered or it really could have mattered for them.

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Speaker 2: That Marvin Mims catch was great, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: Sandwich between a couple of defenders, and really it becomes

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Speaker 2: the exaltation of bo Nicks and what he's been able

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Speaker 2: to do for that offense in Denver.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nick continues to be It's like, it's just interesting

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Speaker 4: to see it kind of all play out in terms

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Speaker 4: of how bo Knicks has been able to kind of

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Speaker 4: grow and they want to put more on his plate.

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Speaker 4: And it's the delicate balance that Sean Payton is kind

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Speaker 4: of weighing and juggling is Okay, how much do I

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Speaker 4: put on this plate? How much don't I put on

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Speaker 4: this plate? What do we want to be? How much

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Speaker 4: can we push the envelope while protecting him.

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Speaker 5: Those are the things that you have.

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Speaker 4: To manage when you're dealing with the young quarterback. And

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Speaker 4: as a Bears fan, I'm sure you can understand that

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Speaker 4: you would probably like to see a little more management

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Speaker 4: of Kaylen Williams instead of him throwing it fifty times

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Speaker 4: and looking like what he looks like at the end

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Speaker 4: of the year. Some of that is in play, and

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Speaker 4: so it's the progress and kind of just trying to

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Speaker 4: do those things, trying to do right by the quarterback

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Speaker 4: while always trying while also trying to give the team

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Speaker 4: the best chance to hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd also like to have a guy that kind

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Speaker 2: of understands how a clock operates, because Caleb Williams for

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Speaker 2: as much as I can blast the coaches, and that's

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Speaker 2: an easy target because one after another empty suits over there,

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Speaker 2: just like Ryan Poles. That guy's played a lot of

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Speaker 2: football to have as many gaffes in the final two

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Speaker 2: minutes of games. I get it, you're in the NFL now,

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Speaker 2: but he looks utterly confused time and time again in

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Speaker 2: the final minutes, letting precious clock tick away, Like all right,

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Speaker 2: be a leader, take control. It's not just because you've

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Speaker 2: only been there one year. I mean, you know you

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Speaker 2: don't have a Joe Burrow in your huddle, But then again,

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Speaker 2: who does? But Andy Furman probably under your opinion.

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Speaker 3: Right, we need your opinion on something because me and

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Speaker 3: me and Bucky went after this before and I said this.

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Speaker 1: He thought I was a little crazy for this.

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Speaker 3: I think there are people, certainly in life, but I'll

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Speaker 3: talk about in football. When the guy gets canned, when

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Speaker 3: the guy gets tossed out the door, his successor comes

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Speaker 3: in there. And obviously you know that guy, in his

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Speaker 3: heart of hearts is rooting against that guy. We gave

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Speaker 3: urban Meyer as an example. He left Jacksonville and they're

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Speaker 3: still losing.

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Speaker 1: You know he's chuckling.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about your Chicago Bears. Did I give

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Speaker 3: you a lot of credit for rooting for that team

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Speaker 3: and you love and your passion for it. You're from there,

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Speaker 3: and I get it. Okay, Chicago's owned for since interim

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Speaker 3: coach Thomas Brown has replaced fired coach Matt ibra Flus.

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Speaker 3: You don't think ebra Flus is home choking and saying ha,

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Speaker 3: I told him that couldn't win. That's the way it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that's the way it is. And as far

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Speaker 3: as the Bears are concern, you know, this guy, Caleb

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Speaker 3: Williams has been sacked sixty seven times. I look at

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, he's been sacked forty four times. All Right,

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Speaker 3: they don't get it that you have to get the

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Speaker 3: offensive line. The late Paul Brown told me this once.

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Speaker 3: He said, it's what's upfront that counts. Okay, do you

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Speaker 3: know when the Bengals were formed in nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 3: the very first player they picked was an offensive lineman,

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Speaker 3: a center by the name of Bob Johnson. You gotta

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Speaker 3: get the offensive line. That's what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly you need the infrastructure, but Bucky Man, I

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Speaker 2: think you can go into those sixty seven sacks and

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and I'm sure we really evaluate he's responsible

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Speaker 2: for a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he's responsible for a lot of And look,

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Speaker 4: I know people are talking about this being a prime

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Speaker 4: job and oh you got a general rational talent at

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Speaker 4: quarterback and those things, and I'll just say, hold on,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute before we put that on Kayler Williams.

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Speaker 4: I think he is a lot harder to coach than

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Speaker 4: people will give it credit for it because the thing

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Speaker 4: that is easy to coach is someone who is structured

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Speaker 4: and in rhythm, meaning you know exactly what they're going

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Speaker 4: to do every time they get to snap. You can

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Speaker 4: build around it. The person that's hard to coach is

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Speaker 4: the free lancer, and Caleb Williams is a free lance quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He wants to extend plays and buy time and do

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Speaker 4: those things. But it's hard one to have the offensive

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Speaker 4: line protect when a guy's holding on to the ball

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Speaker 4: for four or five seconds running around like a chicken

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Speaker 4: with his head cut off. Two, it's hard to build

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Speaker 4: in the offense where you're calling plays where you have

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Speaker 4: these things where hey, you're gonna go at twelve yards

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Speaker 4: and turn around and the ball is gonna come out

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Speaker 4: on time. Caleb Williams doesn't operate like that. I think

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Speaker 4: this is a very difficult job to manage a quarterback

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Speaker 4: who is such a freestyle player. And I know people

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Speaker 4: talk about Pat Mahomes and those things, but when we

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Speaker 4: look at Pat maho Now, Pat Maholmes plays all time

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Speaker 4: when he needs to, He freelances when it's beneficial for

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Speaker 4: him and the team late game situations. In those things.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if Kavid Williams has those clubs in

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Speaker 4: his bag.

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Speaker 2: I think there's two things going on, and certainly from

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Speaker 2: an organizational standpoint, ce him Punk was a you know,

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Speaker 2: part of the pregame stuff and the Netflix shows. You know,

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Speaker 2: whenever I can get wrestling in, I have to because

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Speaker 2: it sounds like he's been listening to what I've been

607
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Speaker 2: ranting about here at Fox Sports Radio for a while.

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Speaker 2: You've got an ownership and structure going on that is

609
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Speaker 2: very tough to run away from. It's like in Dallas,

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Speaker 2: like with the Jets and so many teams that are around.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while you may have that outlier season,

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Speaker 2: but consistency again, talking about culture and structure. Matt Ipervlus,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure is just bereft because his defense has disappeared.

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Speaker 1: You've seen Stevenson. You know, he is what he is.

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Speaker 2: He's made one or two big plays, but otherwise he's

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Speaker 2: this side of Toast Patterson. Sorry Toast, I had to

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Speaker 2: bring you into the conversation here, right, No, one of

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Speaker 2: the legends. That's not but you don't you don't want

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Speaker 2: that as your nickname. It's really what comes down if

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Speaker 2: you're a quarterback. You don't want to be toast Brooks. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you don't need that. But here here's the guy I

622
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Speaker 2: want to sight. Right, you got a guy in Cole Kmet.

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Speaker 2: We can all agree he's a pretty good tight end.

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Speaker 2: What's the normal rule of thumb when you have a

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Speaker 2: pass catching tight end in an offense? He is your

626
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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback, your journeyman quarterback. He's gonna be your best friend.

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Speaker 2: He had ten catches in a game against Indianapolis. He's

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Speaker 2: got thirty five the rest of the year. He's invisible. Right,

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Speaker 2: He's never seen because you're not working into a down distance.

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Speaker 2: Get him on, get him over, get him in kind

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Speaker 2: of sequencing, getting the ball out on time, running sise routes.

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Speaker 2: All of that's lost, right, it's improvisation. Look at the

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Speaker 2: biggest plays doing Noonsay or Keenan Allen the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. They're not they're not designed. That's those guys

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Speaker 2: keeping plays alive and oh the ball found them. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to kill Caleb Williams because they're still

637
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Speaker 2: a lot there to grow with. But yeah, structurally, there

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Speaker 2: there's a lot that needs to be done. So the

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00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: patients to deal with the organization and to bring him

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Speaker 2: along into where he needs to be in terms of rhythm.

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Speaker 2: And I say that all knowing that the stats look

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Speaker 2: really good, because that's all everybody's doing, is hey, look

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Speaker 2: at his overall stats.

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Speaker 1: Like, how about you actually watch a damn game and

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Speaker 1: then tell me what the stats are.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a stat. They've lost ten straight that's

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Speaker 3: a stat, nicely, ten straight games. That's that's it's embarrassing

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Speaker 3: in the National Football League to lose ten straight games.

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Speaker 5: It is hard.

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Speaker 4: And what you have is you have everyone who was

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Speaker 4: so in because we're in such a time to like

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Speaker 4: project and put people out there and say these bodacious statements.

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Speaker 4: So two years ago, people were talking about kaya Williams

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Speaker 4: if he was in the draft, to be the number

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Speaker 4: one pick, and so you don't want to move off

656
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Speaker 4: those opinions. But when you look at him, like you

657
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: should be able to see that he's a flawed quarterback,

658
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Speaker 4: not meaning that he can't be good, but you have

659
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Speaker 4: to be able to see the flaws from the body

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Speaker 4: language to the way that he holds onto the ball

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Speaker 4: too long, Like there are a lot of things there

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Speaker 4: that you have to break down and fix before he's

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Speaker 4: going to realize the potential that he dazzled.

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Speaker 5: You with at USC.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's a hard thing, and I think

666
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Speaker 4: the only way that you can help him is by

667
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Speaker 4: kind of coaching him hard, much like Sean Payton coach

668
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Speaker 4: bow Nick's hard early didn't give him a lot of freedom,

669
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Speaker 4: not saying that you have to chewt him out a

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Speaker 4: little bit on the sideline when he didn't do those things.

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Speaker 4: He kind of needs that because Kayla Williams right now

672
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Speaker 4: is the puppy that peas on the carpet, and if

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Speaker 4: you don't fix it, he's going to be the dog

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Speaker 4: that peas on the carpet.

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Speaker 1: There you go, there's your quote, cut and print. I

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Speaker 1: love it all right.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I'd liked you for the year twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five and hopefully for ever. Can we just kill

679
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Speaker 2: the term generational, especially when we're gonna apply it to

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Speaker 2: someone every.

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Speaker 5: Year because Dennis that generational, Annual.

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Speaker 2: Hey generational, Trevor Lawrence generational, Caleb Williams generational, Mike Harmon generation.

683
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Speaker 2: I mean, all of these things, I mean, they can't

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Speaker 2: all be true. Maybe that last one is at Bucky

685
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Speaker 2: Brooks where you find him on Twitter, Andy Ferman and

686
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Speaker 2: Andy Furman FSR. Find me over at Swollen Dome. Hey,

687
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: we got a couple of games we still need to

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Speaker 2: get through. Yes, we celebrate them all here and we

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Speaker 2: do so on Fox Football Sunday.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: And then that's what you call it callback.

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Speaker 2: As we're hearingthe Tirac dot Com, Fox Sports Radio Studios,

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Speaker 2: the dolcit tones of Andy Furman two Shows Nightly and

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Speaker 2: Andy Furman FSR. Maybe no cover, no cover, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: maybe that becomes the next iteration. We start doing just

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Speaker 2: random covers of songs, and you're up and we start

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Speaker 2: promoting a whole new career path alongside here, ancillary income,

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Speaker 2: new followers, groupies.

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Speaker 1: I love it, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Stalkers on maybe a bridge too far at Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 2: and Andy Furman FSR. Hey, guys, we got four games.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to him. Some of them are dogs a Browns.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of dogs, the Browns. They started as a two

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Speaker 2: point favorite Miami at three and a half. It is

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Speaker 2: a thirty three is the total thirty three TUA With

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Speaker 2: the hip injury, he was listed as doubtful. That means

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Speaker 2: we're going deeper into the depth chart here, Fellas, as

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Speaker 2: we go through, they are winners of five of their

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Speaker 2: last seven. Still mathematically live Cleveland Dorian Thompson Robinson is

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Speaker 2: going to get the start. Think of their three wins

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00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: on the year Jacksonville, Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Pretty crazy world

712
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Speaker 2: that we live in here. You guys want to make

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Speaker 2: a pick on this game because we got to be

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Speaker 2: completests here. Oh my goodness, go ahead, Andy.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Dolphins, I mean, obviously more

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Speaker 3: to play for than the Browns, but more than that,

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Speaker 3: I love when Tyreek Kill came out after Week sixteen

719
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Speaker 3: when they win the game. He admitted that time away

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Speaker 3: from practice affected his timing. Really, even a schmuck like

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Speaker 3: me could tell you that if you're not going to practice,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna get the Carnegie hole.

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Speaker 1: That's the way it is, you know.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Really, Cleveland worst in the league minus eighteen

725
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Speaker 2: turnover differential. Yes, they've supplanted the Raiders, whereas Miami minus

726
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: four offense give scoring twenty a game for Miami and

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Speaker 2: then the Cleveland offense at sixteen point three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, moving on next, Hackers and Vikings. We move on

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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 2: You look at this one also, Minnesota, a narrow one

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Speaker 2: point favorite. Forty nine is your total Minnesota eighth straight wins.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones up and over a thousand yards, Sam Darnold

733
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Speaker 2: obviously the toast of the town Green Bay. Back on

734
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Speaker 2: week four, you had a Minnesota win thirty one twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: but winners of five of six since the bye week

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Speaker 2: and rolling a long, a great battle here in.

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Speaker 1: The NFC North. Bucky Brooks, what do you think?

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Speaker 5: M tough? I don't know. I need to think. Can

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Speaker 5: I pass?

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Speaker 6: All right?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: When it comes down to the least several games of

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Speaker 3: the season, it's all about playoffs and seedings. So the

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Speaker 3: Packers are guaranteed to open the playoffs on the road

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Speaker 3: and the NFC Wildcard. Okay, So obviously the game needs

746
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Speaker 3: much more to the Vikings. They're going to the playoffs,

747
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Speaker 3: but they have a higher fate win out NFC North

748
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Speaker 3: and number one seed is theirs. Okay, so obviously it

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Speaker 3: means more to them. Vikings games in Minnesota, they wink.

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Speaker 4: Andy, you convinced me because your conviction was so strong,

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Speaker 4: I'm also going to Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: There you go, nicely done. And now when it goes wrong,

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Speaker 2: you can throw him under the bus, as so many

754
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: fancy owners have done to me over my many years,

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Speaker 2: prognosticating there next Falcons that commander. Oh, here we go,

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Speaker 2: commanders talking Jaden Daniels bow Knicks Rookie of the Year debates.

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00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: Last four weeks, he's been outstanding as Daniels looking at

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00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: thirty three hundred total passing yards, twenty two touchdowns against

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00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: eight picks, and a lot of it. The re reignition

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00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: of this offense happened well at the expense of the Bears.

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00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: On the other side, Atlanta on Michael Pennix in his

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Speaker 2: first game eighteen to twenty seven to two oh two,

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Speaker 2: the interception that goes on him even though it should

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Speaker 2: go on Kyle Pitts as another example of his failed season.

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Speaker 2: Either way, b John Robinson's been fantastic leaning on him

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Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty two, twenty two to twenty six carries

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Speaker 2: the last four weeks. He's at ninety two or more

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Speaker 2: rushing yards four straight games, the offense sitting at just

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Speaker 2: under twenty two points game. Meanwhile, Washington fourth in the

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Speaker 2: National Football League, putting up twenty eight point eight, gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: this is a a dandy here in week seventeen, Atlanta's

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Speaker 2: still fighting with Tampa and the Commanders a three and

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Speaker 2: a half point favorite.

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Speaker 1: Here, Andy, let bucket go.

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Speaker 2: I want to buy and you're not going to the island.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, We're good. I got a compelling argument.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the Atlanta Falcons in this one

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Speaker 4: because this is the moment that they put Michael Pennix

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Speaker 4: in the game for. They want Michael Pennix to add

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Speaker 4: more explosiveness to the offense.

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Speaker 5: Last week they had the governor on them.

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Speaker 4: They were just trying to kind of get him into it.

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Speaker 4: This week they got to go for broke and so

784
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Speaker 4: the explosive play factor. That's why Michael Pennix is the game.

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Speaker 4: We get a chance to finally see the Falcons operate

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Speaker 4: at high level because they got the right trigger man

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Speaker 4: in the game.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I gotta say this though.

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Speaker 3: Last week, obviously, jayde Danias had a list minute touchdown

790
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Speaker 3: to beat the Eagles for the Commanders, but they still

791
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Speaker 3: didn't get the playoff birth. Okay, Atlanta can win the

792
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Speaker 3: NFC South with a win at a Tampa Bay loss today.

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Speaker 3: I know the game is in Washington. It's a big deal.

794
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: I know Commanders are ten and five, Falcons eight and seven.

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Speaker 3: I like the Falcons. I like the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Tampa heavy favorites with Carolina coming to down forty eight

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Speaker 2: and a half the total there, Tampa minus eight. No

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Speaker 2: Chuba Hubbard, he's now to the injured reserve. We'll miss

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Speaker 2: that one. Brooks already on IR. So now we're digging

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Speaker 2: really deep in the depth chart there. Black Chier going

802
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Speaker 2: to get the start there. How about that? As we

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Speaker 2: talk about the players that you learn their names or

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Speaker 2: maybe you remember their collegiate careers.

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Speaker 1: Next, Lions and forty nine. We finished the slate.

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Speaker 2: The Lions three and a half point favorites on the road,

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Speaker 2: fifty and a half the total.

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Speaker 1: This one.

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Speaker 2: San Francisco losers five of six. You like to the

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Speaker 2: better trends. Hey, they're winning in peak. Now they're looking

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Speaker 2: it up. Guerndo, he's ready to roll. Seventeen or fewer

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Speaker 2: points scored in all of those five losses by the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Here for Detroit, you had that big

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Speaker 2: loss in the ninety point battle against Buffalo, and then

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Speaker 2: they get right against the Bears, Gibbs making it happen,

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Speaker 2: and even with the defensive losses still coming up big

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Speaker 2: for a complete function here, You guys want to make

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Speaker 2: a pick on this one, Andy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, winning out goes the Lions homefield advantage in the

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Speaker 3: NFC playoffs, but they haven't clinched the North Division. They

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Speaker 3: like the Lions, and the Lions have but more injuries

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Speaker 3: than any other team in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I still like the Lions.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I like the Lions in the blowout like the

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Speaker 5: Niners have.

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Speaker 1: Blow out.

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Speaker 5: Yes, they already.

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Speaker 1: Blowout, Fernando blowout.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Operation shutdown is what we're calling here, channeling our

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00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: old Derek Bell quotes from way back in the day

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Speaker 2: with the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Andy, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: When we talk next, we'll be into twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: in the final week of the season, Bucky Brooks, I can.

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Speaker 1: Take you next year. Fox.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Greetings and welcome in another hour Fox Football Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Here Fox Sport, it's a radio.

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Speaker 2: Six games already in the books in week seventeen of

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Speaker 2: your National Football League season, championship week for fantasy purposes.

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Speaker 1: And I know that's what makes.

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Speaker 2: The starting grid of quarterbacks, maybe that much more difficult

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00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: to swallow for fans and fantasy owners. Appreciate you giving

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Speaker 2: us some time this morning on the highways and byways,

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Speaker 2: maybe returning from Grandma's house, travel snarls, whatever the case

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Speaker 2: may be. Maybe you're back to your normal routine. However

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Speaker 2: you're listening, We appreciate it. The four hundred plus affiliates

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Speaker 2: nationwide the iHeartRadio app carry us wherever you go. Never

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Speaker 2: too late to give that as an end of year present.

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Speaker 2: Jumping into twenty twenty five, as we roll forward, we

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Speaker 2: celebrate all of them. Twenty six games remaining in our

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Speaker 2: regular season, some still with some playoff implications. With the

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Speaker 2: well what do we got going? Much like we talked

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Speaker 2: about with the Bowl games. Last hour and earlier in

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Speaker 2: the show, Andy and Bucky chopped it up of well,

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00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: here's your practices, here's your look at the new blood,

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Speaker 2: and maybe trying to figure out where you've got some

858
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: positional depth as you go through.

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Speaker 1: Can't do it alone.

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00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: Got my guy, Bucky Brooks with me at Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 2: five years in the league working with the Jaguars coach

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Speaker 2: mentor columnist foxsports dot Com, NFL dot Com, NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: You see him everywhere. Hear the work here with us

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Speaker 1: each week on Fox Sports Radio. Bucky.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it was a good holiday holiday holiday, fun, spirited

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Speaker 2: hours with Andy this morning and now readying for the

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Speaker 2: week seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Grid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, great holiday. I hope you holiday with the kids.

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Speaker 4: Look, this is the fun time, right were down to

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00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: the stretch run the games matter.

872
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 5: You're playing meaningfultball.

873
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: The teams that are in postseason contention and the other

874
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 4: ones are playing it out. But man, you love seeing

875
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 4: teams compete when pressures.

876
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 5: On the mix.

877
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: No, and that's just it, you know. Even yesterday we

878
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: had three games, the first one non competitive. But the

879
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: story coming out is obviously the culture and the excitement

880
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: of the Jim Harbaugh excitation here in Los Angeles, the

881
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: billboards before the season and all the excitement now leads

882
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: to a playoff berth. It even got Isaac Lohencron to

883
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: shave what was really a good looking beard. I think

884
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: he cleaned up for the postseason. He's ready. He's got

885
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: his business face going on here as we get ready,

886
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: we'll here from Ilo in just a little bit. He's

887
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: part of the coverage there for the Chargers. You hear

888
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: that ninety eight to seven here locally in Los Angeles,

889
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: and of course the iHeartRadio app as well, but it's

890
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: also in New England, right trying to figure out what

891
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: they've got going forward? Does the coach day Is he

892
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: on the hot seat? Drake May's looked pretty good in spurts,

893
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: but the cupboard fairly bear in terms of how they're operating,

894
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: the curiosity of what he did with the starting running

895
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: back position, and it's gonna be Antonio Gibson unless it's

896
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: not why coach's decision. And then the explanations didn't really

897
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: sit well. And so the poison pens that were there

898
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: at the end of the Belichick era, boy, they came

899
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: out and year one right away for Gerard Mayhew.

900
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he sent himself up. He walked in sis

901
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 5: some traps.

902
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 4: He didn't necessarily show accountability all the time when it

903
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: came to the blame and where it falls.

904
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 5: You know, it always falls.

905
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: On the head coach, regardless of whether it's true or not,

906
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: it always falls on the head coach. You're responsible for

907
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: building the team, you're responsible for leading the team. So

908
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: the successive failures hang on you, on you and so

909
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 4: you must be understand that. And for the Patriots, even

910
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 4: though they were in a rebuild, I'll say this, they

911
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: look they're not as good as the team that Belichick

912
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: finished with that was four and thirteen. They don't look

913
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 4: the same. They're not playing with the same intensity and

914
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 4: execution on defense. Offensively, we knew would be a struggle

915
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: with a young quarterback. They don't have the weapons around them.

916
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: But this team certainly doesn't look as good as last year.

917
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 4: And what the Crafts have to determine how can they

918
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: help dry Mayo Because they went all in on getting

919
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: rid of Belichick handed to Mayo, so it's on them

920
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: to make sure that Mayo succeeds.

921
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 5: He was a coach in waiting all of that.

922
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: And I think this is part of a theme that

923
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 4: we're seeing, like the lack of appreciation. Even with the

924
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 4: end season firings. How many of those teams have improved

925
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 4: when we had the midseason firing. None Now, because it's

926
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: the guy that you got rid of, it's his program.

927
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 4: It's hard to think that someone's gonna come in and

928
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: save the day in the middle of the year. And

929
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 4: all those teams have regressed, and we're seeing it with

930
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: the Patriots over time, there would be more of an

931
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: appreciation with Bill Belichick the longer he's away from their program,

932
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: because what they did was unprecedented, and the Patriots fans

933
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 4: are spoiled as their ownership, and they'll have a great

934
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: appreciation for what is gone.

935
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: What's curious, right is obviously we look in division and

937
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: you see the Jets and we talk about Aaron Rodgers.

938
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: Will he come back? What's it look like going forward?

939
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: He's played better, he's played better football the second half

940
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: of the season, but it hasn't mattered because everything else

941
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: got torpedoed at the loss of as you say, whatever

942
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: it was with your coach and Robert Sala. The defense disappeared,

943
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: much like they did in Chicago once Eberflus was gone.

944
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: And then you fire the offensive coordinator in Chicago and

945
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: you promote a guy to a head coaching position who

946
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: eighteen days prior was basically the position coach trying to

947
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: help Caleb Williams along, and now he's responsible for everything. Yeah,

948
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: that's usually a recipe for great successes, and we've watched

949
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: it week after week there, but you're excited utterance about

950
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: the Aaron Rodgers stuff is interesting to me as you

951
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: flow it through. Devontae Adams looks like he's going to

952
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: try to play. He has the possibility of catching his

953
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: five hundredth pass from from Aaron Rodgers, so he wants

954
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: a little bit of that action today. But you know,

955
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: all of that just said, you got a team that's

956
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: really got to pick a lane as well.

957
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have to pick a lane.

958
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 4: And to me, the whole jest thing is fascinating because

959
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: I feel like Devantae Adams and Aaron Rodgers are just

960
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: playing a two main game, right They're just in it

961
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: to pick up all of these notable accomplishments for themselves.

962
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: By the way, I need a team to help us

963
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: get these accomplishments for us.

964
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: Let me just look at what Garrett Wilson's said right

965
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: during this run. I mean, all the rumors that he'd

966
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: legislatut but you look at his numbers. For as good

967
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: as he is, he's such an afterthought to what they're

968
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: doing right now. And they can't run the football. So

969
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: Breece Hall is a wasted talent there as well. So

970
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: all of that just as are its empty stats.

971
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, I know and so

972
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 4: that's the thing. So what do you let with after

973
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: this two year experiment with Aaron Rodgers? You got to

974
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: pick up a lot of pieces because you fractured a

975
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: lot of relationships. You I can't say you've crushed the confidence,

976
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 4: but man, Breeeshall and Garrett Wilson should be your pillar players,

977
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: should be the foundational pieces to your offense. And they've

978
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 4: been after thoughts in the offense that has been handed

979
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 4: to Aaron Rodgers.

980
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 5: There's no way if.

981
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: I'm the Jets, I can bring him back because all

982
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 4: he's going to do is stunt the growth of the

983
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 4: young players that should be stars right now. And yeah,

984
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: I just don't like it. I don't like the team

985
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: building model they handed it to him. And I understand

986
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: like why you would be intrigued by four time MVP,

987
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: but man, it just set the franchise back more so

988
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 4: than propelled them.

989
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: For Yeah, think some of it comes down to, you know,

990
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: and I heard you and Andy as I was making

991
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: my morning coffee and getting ready here shaking the cobwebs

992
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: out this morning. You know, as you're looking at the

993
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 2: free agent marketplace right talk a lot about Sam Darnold.

994
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Right now, what else is out there, right, if you're

995
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: going to go into the free agency market at the

996
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: quarterback position, not exactly talent rich in terms of guys

997
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: that can even be bridges, let alone a guy that

998
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: you say is your guy, and for the draft, maybe

999
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: you find the diamond in the rough. But we got

1000
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: cam Ward and we got Shador Sanders, and then you

1001
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: got a lot of question marks and even those guys'

1002
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: questions about them, and the cam Ward stuff from yesterday

1003
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: I think is unfair and ridiculous.

1004
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: But that's the sight he we're living in. As we

1005
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: talked about it, I.

1006
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: Cannot believe how many people are taking him to task.

1007
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: It is the craziest thing. And I know where X

1008
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: everyone has an opinion, has to win. It is the

1009
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: craziest thing that I've seen. We're going to take him

1010
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: to task for showing up and playing a half.

1011
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 5: And how could you do that to your team? Man?

1012
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: And the words of Ricky Waters for who?

1013
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: For what?

1014
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: Wh Why is he playing?

1015
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: Like?

1016
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 5: Why am I playing here?

1017
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 4: I got millions and millions at Steak And no, his

1018
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: draft position won't be impacted, just like none of the

1019
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: guys that set out position be impacted. He played, he

1020
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: gave us a little appetise on what he could be

1021
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 4: and then he got out. It was a preseason game exhibition,

1022
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 4: just like it's a postseason game exhibition into pollseason.

1023
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: And I got to figure that this was the plan,

1024
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: right and is. I don't think they helped themselves in

1025
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: the post game. I don't think coach did a really

1026
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: good job of explaining it. But in the end, it's

1027
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: all optics and folks are gonna do with what they will.

1028
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: But it's all of it, right. I mean, we live

1029
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: in a in a marketplace. We talked about Caleb Williams's

1030
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: last hour a little bit and what's going on in Chicago.

1031
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: Folks that want to just live in a vacuum are

1032
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: just citing the endgame stats of where he's at. Yeah,

1033
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: they throw interception. Guess what, They've lost ten games in

1034
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: a row, right. I mean I'm not saying, you know

1035
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: one cause and cause and effect whatever, But you know,

1036
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 2: if all we're gonna do is cite touchdown interception ratios

1037
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: and where you end up yardage, I mean, how many

1038
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: you watched that game on Thursday, Bucky? I mean I

1039
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: saw the shot chart at the end of the game.

1040
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: I had tears in my eyes. I was laughing so

1041
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: hard because all during the games, like check check, It

1042
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: was like John Malkovich in the movie Rounders as he's

1043
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: sitting there with getting chopped up by check check check,

1044
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: playing with his oreos before he fires it against the

1045
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: wall because he realizes what's going on. All it was

1046
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: was checkdowns and hoping for Yak that you'd find a

1047
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: scene with another screen pass.

1048
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: That's all was. Actually both sides did that for most

1049
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: of the night. But like those yards, not all yards

1050
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: count the same. They just don't in terms of impact.

1051
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 5: No they don't.

1052
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: And you're right about them not counting the same and

1053
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: impact and all of that other stuff. It did little

1054
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: to nothing form and you have to be able to say,

1055
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 4: you can't be a box score scout.

1056
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 5: You gotta be able to look at it and see

1057
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 5: it for what it is.

1058
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 4: And what I saw was like some nice moments, but

1059
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: nothing that was like special. And I think we won't special,

1060
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: Like there's a level of expectation that comes with me

1061
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: and picked where you picked that.

1062
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there were a couple of big throws,

1063
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: and there have been through the year, but you know,

1064
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: taking it back to the original conversation for cam Ward.

1065
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: I gotta imagine that was all pre planned. They had

1066
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: those conversations. Give us what you're gonna give us. But

1067
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: like folks going, well, you know the game's close down

1068
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: the line and here down the stretch, why is he

1069
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: not coming back in.

1070
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: It's like because his day was done right.

1071
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: I'd rather have that than a guy who's in uniform

1072
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: and then won't go into a game.

1073
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: Here was he played, They had a plan, he sat down.

1074
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: End of story.

1075
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 5: As simple as that. I don't think.

1076
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 4: I don't think it has to be much more beyond

1077
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 4: that when you really think about it, Harmon, because if

1078
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 4: he goes and knock on wood, he didn't go in

1079
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 4: there and then have some catastrophic happen, then what would

1080
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: the discourse be? Oh my god, I can't believe he

1081
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 4: played like the coach can't put him into second half?

1082
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: He win the kids life, you can't win.

1083
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 5: And that's why.

1084
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 4: Whatever decision you make, you just have to own it

1085
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: and stick with it. And that's what the Hurricanes have done.

1086
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 4: That's what cam Ward has done. Look, he made it through.

1087
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 5: It's over. Now he's just sitting chill to draft.

1088
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: It, getting ready for the draft, Shador Sanders with the

1089
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: interesting choice of attires and the Giant cleats kind of

1090
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: dug that. I like the Bravado they went out and

1091
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: got housed. But all in all, in all, a fantastic

1092
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: season from all the different metrics that you could possibly

1093
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: fire up, including the performances of Shador Sanders and Travis

1094
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: Hunter through the year. Another guy dismissed as it's all

1095
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: about snaps.

1096
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1097
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing where we're at right. Tell me

1098
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 2: you don't watch football by telling me you don't want.

1099
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 5: To do that.

1100
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: That's that's what happens, and that's what's going to continue

1101
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 4: to happen.

1102
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 5: Like when you have so many people weighing in so

1103
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 5: many voices, just.

1104
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: Give it a little bit of time. Actually, I watched

1105
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: the game every once in a while. I thought the

1106
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 2: Shadour Giants cleats were pretty pretty fun though.

1107
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's a nice little touch to things.

1108
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 5: I mean, nice so touch.

1109
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: But all the pressure on the Giants in the g

1110
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 4: men I want to go to here. Can it work out?

1111
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it'd be interesting to see what

1112
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 4: kind of the fit that would be.

1113
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 5: In terms of New York. Shador Sanders. I mean it

1114
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 5: could be interesting.

1115
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: I'll say that, well, another place where we're talking about

1116
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: the infrastructure, right when you talk about Shane, you talk

1117
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: about Dable, talk about where they are organizationally, Malik Neighbors.

1118
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: We clearly like Tracy. You know, for as much as

1119
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: folks lament the loss of Saquon Barkley, Tracy wasn't that

1120
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: big a slouch for them. Pretty nice fine as a

1121
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 2: rookie running back. And how many wins does a running

1122
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: back really get you? That's one of the great debates

1123
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 2: that we're having this year, particularly when it comes to

1124
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: the MVP discussion for Saquan himself and how much Derrick

1125
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: Henry's achievements made attract from what folks think about Lamar

1126
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: Jackson in that category as well. And then you've got

1127
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: Joe Burrows trying to sneak his way back in after

1128
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: taking after the Bengals took the month of September off.

1129
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: You know, and this is the one criticism that you

1130
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: have to have of Zach Taylor. The Bengals are one

1131
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 4: of those teams that they don't play their guys a

1132
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: lot in the preseason, and the slow stars that you've

1133
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: consistently seen from the Bengals, I would say it's a

1134
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 4: byproduct of those guys not getting enough like real reps,

1135
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: and so it takes them a while to acclimate to

1136
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 4: the pro game. Will he change that after seeing how

1137
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 4: it impacts his team and they have to scrape and

1138
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: scuffle to get into the postseason. Now, if they get

1139
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: into the postseason and win a game, it'd be all

1140
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 4: or not. Like, Hey, I love it when a playing

1141
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: comes together.

1142
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 5: Like the A team right there, You go, well, yes,

1143
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 5: I just don't.

1144
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: I just don't know if they can continue to do it,

1145
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: because man, you're giving away games at the beginning of

1146
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 4: the season.

1147
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 5: You need those games at the end.

1148
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: I think he's like one in thirteen or one in fourteen,

1149
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, some nonsense like that, the first couple of

1150
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: weeks of the season.

1151
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, just giving away to an.

1152
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely acidine at Bucky Brooks where you find them NFL

1153
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: dot com, Fox Sports dot Com, where you read them,

1154
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: find me over at Swollen Dome. As we continue, Uh, look,

1155
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: the middle game, I know we broke down a lot

1156
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals, Uh, certainly in that crazy win against Denver,

1157
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: but the night Gap also had some interesting U storylines

1158
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: to flow out of it here in Los Angeles there

1159
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: you know the old ram and all day, ramit all night.

1160
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: But the Arizona side is also very interesting because they've

1161
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: got some decisions to make as well. We'll talk about

1162
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: all of that and more as we continue here. It's

1163
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: Fox Football Sunday at Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome back in.

1164
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 2: It's Fox Football Sunday. Here Fox Sports Radio. Mike Carmon

1165
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: alongside Bucky Brooks, having a blast with you here week

1166
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: seventeen of your National Football League season. Six games already

1167
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: in the books. A couple of good ones and a

1168
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: couple that congratulations on a job done, playoff implications. Others

1169
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: were playing out the strings. Guys playing for contracts, trying

1170
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: to put stuff on tape, Coaches trying to save their jobs,

1171
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: all of those subplots that we love so much. Other subplots,

1172
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: the gambling angles. Yeah, coming up at the top of

1173
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: the hour, seven o'clock Pacific, you've got Countdown to Kickoff,

1174
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: presented by bet MGM every Sunday morning. They begin ten

1175
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: am Eastern times, seven o'clock Pacific. It's Brian No, Jeff Schwartz,

1176
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 2: and professional better Bill Krachenberger. They've got you covered three

1177
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: hours before kickoff every Sunday morning, all stories, tales, the good,

1178
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, lines to watch players in and out.

1179
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: Today they'll see some interesting prop bets, no question about it,

1180
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: with some names you haven't heard all season long. Listen

1181
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: to Countdown to Kickoff, presented by Bet MGM right here,

1182
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio and of course the iHeart Radio app.

1183
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: I say that because we ran through it last hour. Bucky,

1184
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: the grid of quarterbacks, Let's go through the who's who

1185
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: of the International Football League and strange bedfellows, all those

1186
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: folks that were complaining a couple of weeks ago, or

1187
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: maybe tempting the football gods by saying, hey, you know what,

1188
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: we're nowhere near those number of starting quarterbacks this year.

1189
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: It's all gone swimmingly Na.

1190
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 5: Not so fast, Yeah, definitely not so fast.

1191
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: And I mean you're right, like all the quarterbacks and

1192
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 4: the changing and the rearranging of furniture. When it comes

1193
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: to that position, it look, it's a hard position. It's

1194
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: hard to build a team around a new quarterback, and

1195
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: whether they're younger old, i e. The Atlanta Falcons, it's

1196
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 4: hard to plug and play unless you have a relationship

1197
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: or you just happen to have one of those systems

1198
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: that's easily moldable in terms of being able to mold

1199
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: it around the quarterback. It's a mollible system that allows

1200
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: you to do some different things based on the skill

1201
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 4: set of the quarterback.

1202
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: And of course, because I like chaos, Indianapolis seven and

1203
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: a half point favorites on the road against the Giants,

1204
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: there's that Joe Flacco guy again.

1205
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's back, you know, and that'd be interesting to

1206
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 4: see what the Cools have to do when it comes

1207
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 4: to figuring out or fixing their quarterback situation. Anthony Richardson

1208
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: hasn't been available enough to fully evaluate what he is

1209
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 4: and when he has played, the numbers haven't been great,

1210
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 4: you know, like the flash moments, but it kind of

1211
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: like Goose Gossage, like a great relief you he flashes,

1212
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: but he can't be a starter, you.

1213
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: Know, nicely done. Started his career with the White Sox,

1214
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: of course, made his bones with the New York Yankees.

1215
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: Always one of the great stories. Remember I've told you

1216
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: about the All Century book I have that I've gotten

1217
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: over the years celebrating baseball. When they did the big

1218
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: thing at Fenway Park back at the end of the nineties, right,

1219
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: So I added a bunch of signatures through the years.

1220
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: You get some great stories. I was at a big

1221
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: signing up in the Bay Area years ago, and for

1222
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the guy who was in charge of licensing

1223
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: photos and stuff for a collection of athletes from the

1224
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: Bay Area didn't give the photo release. So these guys

1225
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: all had names in rosters, but no pictures. Meanwhile, there's

1226
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: like nine hundred pictures of Pete Rose and Ricky Henderson whatever,

1227
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: the late great Ricky Henderson. He was the last guy

1228
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: I added to it. I met him a few months

1229
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: ago after they'd made the rule change, and I said, hey, Ricky,

1230
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: these new rules, and he just started laughing like a madman.

1231
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: I go, Ricky, what are you saying. He goes, oh,

1232
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: two hundred easy two d They can't throw over, they

1233
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: can't look at me, the base is bigger, all of

1234
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: these things. And he got very excitable and he flipped

1235
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: through the book and you know, had his story for

1236
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: each of these guys. But I was at the Bay

1237
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: Area at one point and I go to to get

1238
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: the uh the signature in and it's Roley Fingers and

1239
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: he's one of the guys that was not in there

1240
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: with a photo and he goes, oh, I've never seen

1241
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: this book, but I've heard about this, and he yells

1242
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: at the guy that was supposed to take care of that.

1243
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: He goes get over here and he curses at him,

1244
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: and everybody starts looking around like, oh, what's going on.

1245
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: Here goes show me it and it's a giant, full

1246
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: page picture of Goose gossage for the closers, and he

1247
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: loses his mind because it's a picture of Goose gossage

1248
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: instead of.

1249
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: Just a great just a great moment.

1250
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1251
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, guys have their pride, man. They want to

1252
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: be the representation of a position and where you go.

1253
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: And you know, certainly the quarterback positions what we talk

1254
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: about in the NFL. A ton and a team that

1255
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: is kind of at a crossroads as well. A guy

1256
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: who's already been paid, a guy that has been in

1257
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: the crosshairs of the poison pens and the acid tongues

1258
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: of our industry is Kyler Murray, who is in the

1259
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: Nightcap and will forever think about well, maybe owing to

1260
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty classic flash Gordon when he hits McBride

1261
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: in the side of the helmet it goes up in

1262
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: the air for a spectacular game ending interception with thirty

1263
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: seven seconds remaining. But here's the damning stat. Kyler Murray

1264
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: is now thirteen and twenty nine straight up in games

1265
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: played first and later one in seventeen straight up in

1266
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: divisional games. Riddle me that, batman.

1267
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 5: That's not good.

1268
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 4: Be You have to win your division, and if you

1269
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: can't win within your division, you have no chance. That's

1270
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: the easiest way to get the golden tickets to the playoffs.

1271
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 4: And if you're not good enough in that aspect, problem

1272
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 4: matic See.

1273
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: This goes back to the conversation I think we were

1274
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: having a little bit before when we talk at sack

1275
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: totals and trying to give our weight and distribution as

1276
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: to who gets blamed for what. And nobody's saying that

1277
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: the Bears or the Cardinals offensive lines are really much

1278
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: to write home about it all.

1279
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: However, however, you.

1280
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: Talk about guys kirk herb Street the other night, questioning

1281
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and his preparation, I want to know who

1282
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: the source was for that.

1283
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: That doesn't come out, that doesn't come out the back door,

1284
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 4: you know, if you've been Yeah, that's some thing that

1285
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 4: came out of the production meeting or something else.

1286
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 5: You just don't arbitrarily throw that out there.

1287
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: Because that was always the criticism and the knock on

1288
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray and folks have their running log of game

1289
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: release dates, video game that is as related to Kyler Murray.

1290
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: And when he plays well and when he doesn't, So

1291
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: right or wrong?

1292
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: So does he play does he play well? Does he

1293
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 4: play well when a new game?

1294
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 5: Or is he Better's five from it?

1295
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a five hundred quarterback. Seven and nine, there's

1296
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: seven and nine for the year. Yeah, once it goes

1297
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: there and his stats go to hell, I guess. But

1298
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Speaker 2: all of that to say, another lost season seven and

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Speaker 2: nine and really no level of consistency. And I think

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Speaker 2: the most damning of it is there's been no development

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Speaker 2: of any continuity with Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: That'd be interesting because the receiver class has been the

1304
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 4: rookery receiver class has really been an eye opening because

1305
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 4: two of the guys that are playing the best were

1306
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 4: like the bottom two guys when it came to the

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Speaker 4: first and second round. So you have Brian Thomas Junior

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Speaker 4: who's killing it in Jacksonville, and you have Lad McConkie,

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Speaker 4: who went over one thousand yards the other day against

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Speaker 4: the Patriots, and man has become an unorthodox wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: one one that you didn't expect to be the number

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 4: one option in the passing game. But yet all he

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: does each week is get open and catch touchdowns and

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Speaker 4: make big plays for a charges team that wants to

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Speaker 4: run the ball. It just makes you look at the

1316
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 4: position and you're trying to figure out what makes it work.

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01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 4: Malik Nabors has a lot of targets, but the yardage

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily match what you expect.

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Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior has just been in enigma and I.

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Speaker 4: Can't figure out why the Cardinals either can't get the

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 4: ball to him or did we overrate him in terms

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 4: of how good we thought he was going to be

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Speaker 4: as a general rational talent.

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Speaker 1: You know, did we get sucked just based on the name.

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01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 5: Maybe they might have helped him.

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Speaker 1: People were afraid of Oh wait, I didn't say that.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna let you say that in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I'm say how about this.

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Speaker 2: Lad mcgaughey forty nine first downs on his seventy seven receptions.

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Speaker 5: That's what you.

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Speaker 4: Should That's what you get them on yeh production. I

1332
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 4: want to see Yeah, get moved the chains, make it happen,

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Speaker 4: be positive when it comes to the ball going in

1334
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 4: his direction, all of those things. When you get that,

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Speaker 4: you feel great about it. They have to feel good

1336
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Speaker 4: about where he is. I would say you obviously see

1337
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Speaker 4: Roma Dunza impacted by a quarterback in old line issues,

1338
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 4: Moliku neighbors impacted by the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior.

1340
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Speaker 4: I guess you could say impacted by the quarterback play calling.

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Speaker 5: Roll whatever.

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 4: There are a lot of things that go along with

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 4: getting a quarterback, getting a wide receiver loose, and quarterback

1344
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Speaker 4: play is one of them.

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01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: Forgive me if you guys traverse this road in the

1346
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: first couple hours again, podcasts will be upshade.

1347
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: I'll have that up for you wherever you go.

1348
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: But let's go to the winning side of things when

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Speaker 2: we talk about the Rams and what they're doing. Matthew Stafford,

1350
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 2: you know, effusive with praise and coming up with big,

1351
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: big numbers. But I think again it goes to the

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01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: red zone defense and obviously a blocked pat meant so

1353
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: much in that game that can't be understated as to

1354
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,959
Speaker 2: down distance and how games you know, and execution down

1355
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: the stretch. But you know, for the Rams young defense, no,

1356
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald kept waiting for him. You know, they'd put

1357
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: up the bat signal and all of a sudden he'd

1358
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: be rolling around. Week ten or eleven. He hasn't come

1359
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: back through that door, but getting it done. Kyron Williams

1360
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: has been fantastic out of the backfield, and Kukin Nakua

1361
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 2: now opened the door with the route and a miss

1362
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: on a third down pass play That might be one

1363
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: of the few times this year like all right, that

1364
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: didn't work. Otherwise it's been so easy to just call

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: his number when he's on the field. But what the

1366
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: Rams have been able to do and just kind of

1367
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: changing how their identity has been they don't need to

1368
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: fly up and down the field, has been fairly remarkable.

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: For Sean McVay, a guy who, you know, after a

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Speaker 2: tough season a couple of years ago, looked like he

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01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: was going into the broadcast booth, seems to have been

1372
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: reinvigorated and ready to reinvent.

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01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a great coach. And I'm gonna say this,

1374
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 4: and I never thought that. Like we talked about the

1375
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 4: Shanahans and the Shanahan system, and all of those guys

1376
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 4: who would have thought, well, I can't look, I would

1377
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 4: say three of them who would have really thought when

1378
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 4: you talked about Shanahan and his proteges or disciples, that

1379
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 4: we would be talking about.

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Speaker 5: We revere Sean McVay, Matt.

1381
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 4: Lafleur, and Kevin O'Connell perhaps more than we revere cayle Shanahan,

1382
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 4: because when you look at their records and you look

1383
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 4: at the success and failures in those things, Look, man,

1384
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 4: Shanahan isn't.

1385
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 5: At the top of that list.

1386
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: And you can say that these other guys have been

1387
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 4: more consistent when it comes to their winning than he has,

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 4: and most of us would say that he's had the

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 4: more talented.

1390
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 5: Rosters of them all. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It just shows you, man, good coaches can come from anywhere,

1392
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 4: but Sean McVay deserves as flowers.

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01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 5: He is one of the best that I've seen.

1394
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: Now you have the curiosity, certainly in San Francisco, everybody

1395
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 2: trying to trade Shanahan all over the place, which is

1396
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: got a funny but from a roster perspective, so many

1397
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: questions that they have to solve. Either guys aging out

1398
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: walking away. Obviously, we you know, hearts go out to

1399
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: Trent Williams and his family. But also a guy that

1400
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: we've talked about for two years, is he coming back?

1401
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: Is he gonna bolster what is otherwise a collection of

1402
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: average maybe slightly above average offensive lineman to propel them forward?

1403
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: What do you do with Brock Purdy all of that

1404
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: your wide receivers. Ayuk was a bust before he got hurt.

1405
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: After getting the big.

1406
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: Deal Deebo's contracts up, he finally showed up in the

1407
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: box score last week in a loss to Miami. Right,

1408
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: he's been invisible, so like go all the way down

1409
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: to George. Kittle's not a kid anymore, so you know

1410
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: he Kyle Shanahan's is the guy out of that quartet

1411
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: that you mentioned that has the biggest questions going forward

1412
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: to put the punctuation mark on the rams.

1413
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: They can achieve this.

1414
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: I love this getting the NFC West strength to schedule

1415
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: strength of victory tiebreaker against Seahawks. After that win with

1416
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: two or two and a half or more wins in

1417
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: Week seventeen by Minnesota, Buffalo, San Francisco, Washington and Cleveland,

1418
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: I wonder how many Parlays will be out there for

1419
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 2: Ram things, hoping for some convergence of those circumstances.

1420
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 5: He Parley, but it looks like they can be able

1421
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 5: to get it.

1422
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: I mean, if we talk about it, and I know

1423
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 4: this would probably make herb Street happy, if we do

1424
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 4: the eyeball tests.

1425
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: That's all. Winning doesn't matter anymore.

1426
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 5: The Rams.

1427
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 4: The Rams are the best team in the NFC West.

1428
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 4: They look much better than the Seahawks have looked the

1429
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 4: last few weeks.

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 5: They're trending the right way. I want to say. They've

1431
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 5: won five in a row and they've done.

1432
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 4: It without the offense necessarily playing the leading role, which

1433
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 4: is kind of crazy.

1434
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 5: We always think about the Rams as the high.

1435
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 4: Flying Rams and the Sean McVay, but they are really

1436
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 4: masses of complimentary football. He's done a great job of

1437
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 4: managing the thing dangerous team and with the quarterback that

1438
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 4: they have in a single elimination tournament, man, that's not

1439
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 4: the team that Detroit wouldn't necessary Well, Detroit wouldn't face

1440
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 4: him because they'll be the number four seed, but that's

1441
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 4: not a team you necessarily want to face early in

1442
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1443
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: So you're talking about on the AFC side. Suddenly Cincinnati's

1444
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: staring at you. Their defense stinks. But Batman Batmobile owning

1445
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and those wide receivers. Remember T Higgins still

1446
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: needs to get paid.

1447
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's that's the other thing too. That's another one.

1448
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 4: If you're the Buffalo Bills or the Baltimore Ravens, you

1449
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 4: don't necessarily want Cincinnata to get in there because they

1450
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 4: either come back to the scene of the crime where

1451
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 4: they vanquished the Buffalo Bills a few years ago on

1452
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 4: the road, or it's another divisional game. And we've seen

1453
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: how those divisional games end up though out of the record,

1454
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 4: it becomes a very difficult and challenging game, regardless of

1455
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 4: who is the superior team.

1456
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: And as much as I love the Chiefs, we know

1457
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: the history with Joe Burrow there as well at Bucky

1458
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: Brooks where you find him in the Twitter verse, readomfoxsports

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Speaker 2: dot com and NFL dot Com find me over at

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Speaker 2: Swollen Dome. It's time to turn our attention to a

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Speaker 2: man who's gonna list off nine thousand injured players' names

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Speaker 2: like he's the Micromachines Pitchman of many years ago. It's

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Speaker 2: our hero, the legend Isaac Lowangron at Isaac Lowancron where

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Speaker 2: you find him in the Twitter verse, Hiilo, it.

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Speaker 7: Actually extends to vehicles associated with the NFL, if you

1466
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Speaker 7: can believe that. That's coming up first, a review of

1467
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 7: an exciting Saturday night in the NFL. The Rams beating

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01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 7: the Arizona Cardinals thirteen to nine. Las Akella Weatherspoon the

1469
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 7: game saving interception of the end zone with thirty seven

1470
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 7: seconds to play. The Rams at ten and six now

1471
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 7: lead the nine at seven Seahawks for first place in

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 7: the NFC West. Before that, the Bengals and Broncos were

1473
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 7: tied to twenty four in overtime. Here's Dan hord on WLW.

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 8: The Bengals trying to win it from the three yard

1475
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 8: line of Denver Burrow looking to throw his pass. It

1476
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 8: is cough my T Higgins touchdown. It's o Bengals and

1477
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 8: the final playoff spot in the AFC will not be

1478
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 8: decided until the final week of the regular season. The

1479
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 8: Cincinnati Bengals are still alive as Joe Burrow hits T

1480
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 8: Higgins front game winning touchdown.

1481
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 7: Higgins finished with eleven catches for one thirty one and

1482
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 7: three touchdown receptions. Including that when the Broncos had tied

1483
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 7: it with eight seconds left in the fourth quarter on

1484
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 7: a twenty five yard touchdown pass from Boon Nicks to

1485
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 7: Marvin Mims, but they failed to clinch a playoff spot

1486
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 7: for the second consecutive week. NBA Saturday Night, Jalen Brunson

1487
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 7: scored fifty five in the next one to thirty six

1488
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 7: one thirty two victory at Washington the Los Angeles Lakers

1489
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 7: over the Sacramento Kings one thirty two to one twenty

1490
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 7: two in the debut of Sacramento interim head coach Doug Christie. Finally, guys,

1491
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 7: back to the NFL and listeners out there, you thought

1492
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 7: you had a rough time traveling over Christmas, We'll get this.

1493
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 7: The Las Vegas Raiders Saturday morning team flight to New

1494
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 7: Orleans for today's game against the Saints was delayed, really delayed,

1495
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 7: because of mechanical issues.

1496
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: How delayed were they?

1497
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 7: Well, First of all, a new plane had to be

1498
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 7: swapped in, so the Raiders did not land in New

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01:12:55,080 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 7: Orleans until eleven thirty nine pm Central Time on Saturday night,

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 7: twelve hours and twenty one minutes before kickoff. Bucky, did

1501
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 7: you ever have an issue like that during your career.

1502
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 4: I have not, and I can't imagine that it took

1503
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 4: that long to get from Vegas to New Orleans.

1504
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: Man, it did, it did?

1505
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Wow, there you go. Yeah, there's a nice

1506
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: little extra wrinkle.

1507
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 7: By the way, that'll be the plot of Hangover, the

1508
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 7: Hangover Part.

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01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: Five, by the way, back to you. Oh, that's good.

1510
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: Let's keep the franchises going and those intellectual properties. Let's

1511
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: take a look at it. The Raiders are still two

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Speaker 2: point favorites against the Saints despite the late arrival. Thirty

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Speaker 2: seven and a half is your total in that one.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Eilo at Isaac Low and Ground where you find them.

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Speaker 2: We wrap things up here on a beautiful Fox Football Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next the dilemma for the Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 2: in week eighteen. We got that and more as we

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Speaker 2: wrap it up here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome

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Speaker 2: back in Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio, Mike Harmon

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Speaker 2: alongside Bucky Brooks. Countdown to Kickoff presented by bet MGM.

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Speaker 2: Coming up at ten minutes, Brian, Jeff and Bill. Have

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Speaker 2: you covered for all the ins and outs, the angles

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: on what I'm sure has been a chaotic week of

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01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: watching line movement as players are in and out, the

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: injury list continue to grow. Isaac Loew and Karn. We'll

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Speaker 2: be at the update desk here over the next couple

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Speaker 2: hours as we get all the inactives listed, Bucky, because.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing more and more names added to them.

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01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 2: Christian Watson now looking like he's out for that Green

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01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: Bay Minnesota tilt. We've talked about the quarterbacks all along,

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: but one of the fun little pieces of info for

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Speaker 2: week eighteen, will the Chiefs try to knock out the Broncos?

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: Are Are they okay with them finding their way in right?

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: I would obviously expect Patrick Mahomes and pretty much everybody

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 2: else to do a Queen's wave, But from a competitive

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01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: standpoint in on Carson Wentz and company, they can really

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Speaker 2: decide the back end of that AFC bracket.

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Speaker 4: M Yeah, that's it's interesting because so here's here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: If you can't see the Chiefs, they have to weigh

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01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 4: like res versus rust and Andy Reid is one of

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 4: the best in the business off of bye week.

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Speaker 5: But if you don't play your guys this.

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Speaker 4: Week two weeks, it's almost like a three week three weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you're just finding your rhythm on offense. Perhaps Patrick

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Speaker 4: Mahomes does a little bit of the cam war thing,

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 4: maybe plays a little bit, then comes out.

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Speaker 5: They will be mad at the Chiefs anyway.

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Speaker 4: They can be mad at Chiefs for whatever reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it'll be interesting how he approaches that. Yeah, because they

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01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 4: can knock out the Broncos.

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Speaker 5: They love to play. They want to play.

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 4: You want to maintain the rhythm, but you also want

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 4: to do it.

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 5: It won't be smart.

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 4: You want to make sure you have all you guys

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01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 4: show up to the dance man.

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Speaker 5: This gona be a tough one. Tough one for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's hit the rewind button back to the

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01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 2: Christmas Day games. We didn't really touch on those much,

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01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: but look at the beatdown suffered. Since we were talking

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: about the Chiefs by the Steelers, by the Texans. They

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: get to say they made the playoffs. That seems to

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 2: be about the extent of expectation at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking about to stealers falling apart. They lost

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01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 4: three in a row. They look different. Russell Wilson has

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01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 4: kind of come back to earth a little bit. They

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Speaker 4: now have a clear understanding of their path. The victory

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 4: is very narrow. It requires their defense.

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 5: To play well.

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Speaker 4: The running game has to show up, and then Russ

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01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 4: has to be managed where he plays that he plays

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Speaker 4: that role as opposed to operating as a playmaker for

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Speaker 4: the Texans.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what has.

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01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 4: Happened to that. Well, I do know what has happened

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 4: to the Texans. Injuries on the outside have impacted their offense.

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Speaker 5: But really c J.

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Speaker 4: Strout is not the same player that he was a

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Speaker 4: season ago, and un two of that version shows up.

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Speaker 5: This gonna be hard on the Texans.

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Speaker 4: They need him to play at a high level and

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Speaker 4: he's he's not playing well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, question the old line coming in, but that's only

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: part of the equation. Obviously, the injuries on the outside

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01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: decimate you make a big deal and then while you

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: got an injury, immediately Tank Dell goes down. Now and

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Speaker 2: of course Nico Collins missed a stretch.

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Speaker 1: Stroud.

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Speaker 2: I think we can go through and do the evaluation

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Speaker 2: of the one one thousand and two one thousand, holding

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: the ball quite quite a bit longer, right, it's not

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Speaker 2: a quick timing rhythm. Whatever, Bobby Slowick, whatever, the excitement

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01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: was of him last year. That's lost some of its

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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: luster along the way in terms of one of those

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Speaker 2: hot coaching prospects that we were anticipating.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, just a bit of a dispoint.

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Speaker 2: I thought they'd missed the playoffs entirely because I also

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Speaker 2: thought the division would get better. So the joke was

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Speaker 2: on me. Not only are they not good, they still

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Speaker 2: get to win the division.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they me twice.

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Speaker 4: Bucky, and they've had the division clinch for weeks. That's

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 4: what's telling you about it, right, I mean, that is

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 4: how bad the division has been. But yeah, like they

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 4: haven't played well. Eventually, they have some talent, they can

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 4: create some some issues with what they have, but if

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01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 4: the offense doesn't work with CJ.

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Speaker 5: Stroud, they have no chance.

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Speaker 4: And they were getting by early in the year because

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Speaker 4: they would run the football with Joe Mixon and those things.

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Speaker 4: But it's not It hasn't been the same. And can

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Speaker 4: they get it back in one week. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 4: But they're gonna have to match up with one of

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Speaker 4: those teams again. Here's gonna be a nemesis. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: have to match up with Zis Ravens.

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Speaker 5: Wonder. I mean I don't know. This doesn't look good

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Speaker 5: right now for them.

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Speaker 1: Chaos all around.

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Speaker 2: Hey, the Sunday night football game, great, great matchup, great marketing,

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Speaker 2: and certainly on a holiday weekend to be able to.

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Speaker 1: Say it's Jadon Daniels.

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Speaker 2: You get to see him here and oh you get

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01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: that Michael Pennox guy too. Forty eight and a half

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: we watched Bijon Robinson as the focal over the last month.

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Speaker 2: How much do we see a shift in pulling the

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Speaker 2: strings for that offense tonight.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they don't have to score points, so they're

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Speaker 4: gonna have to put it more in the hands of

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 4: Michael Pennocks. He'd be more comfortable the second start, but

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Speaker 4: what can you do.

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Speaker 5: I expect him to light it up. I expect him

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Speaker 5: to push it down the field.

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Speaker 4: They put him in because they knew they needed more

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01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 4: explosive place.

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Speaker 5: They weren't getting there with Kirk Cousins.

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: So this has to be an opportunity where you let

1637
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 4: the young guy man, let it rip.

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: Go see if we can find some Darnell Mooney action,

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01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: maybe a little Ray Ray McLeod going. Look, it's Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Ninja time here for your Championship week with six games in.

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01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: Folks have taken some really bad lines from some of

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01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: these early games here based on the players that they've

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 2: rolled through.

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Speaker 1: Have a good call today, Bucky. Always a fun time.

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01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 5: With you, hey Man. Appreciate you, Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Add Bucky Brooks where you find him on the Twitter Verse.

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Speaker 2: Countdown to Kickoff presented by bet MGM Next