Speaker 1: What what Robert Evans, this has been Behind the Bastards
Speaker 1: a podcast opened? Are we are? Is that it was
Speaker 1: the whole episode wide. You want to try you want
Speaker 1: to try again. We don't do second takes. The amateur
Speaker 1: operation you run, you might do things like second takes
Speaker 1: and proper introduction, but here we just go what's a
Speaker 1: tonally and then trail off for several seconds of dead
Speaker 1: air like the pros oh Man, that's called cinema veritate. Tom,
Speaker 1: That's how that works. I know what that term meets. What?
Speaker 1: What is? This? Is? This show? What's happening? This is
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards Episode two on our episode about the
Speaker 1: men who built the right wing media land Escape and
Speaker 1: are consequently ratcheting our world ever closer to calamity. Tom Ryan,
Speaker 1: Robert is your name is of all the Rymans I know,
Speaker 1: certainly the thomast and as the riemannist of the Toms
Speaker 1: that I know? Um, Tom, you are co founder co
Speaker 1: host of the game Fully Unemployed podcast network, which people
Speaker 1: patreon you right for Collider, and you are about to
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of really really unpleasant clips of
Speaker 1: people that are just not very nice. I woke up
Speaker 1: this morning and I was thinking, Man, I hope before
Speaker 1: the sun sets on this day, I get to hear
Speaker 1: a bunch of ship heads have terrible opinions. Tom, I
Speaker 1: heard your prayers. I am here to answer them. I
Speaker 1: texted them to you. Yeah, and it's they're They're usually
Speaker 1: a lot more erotic than this, But I'll take it, Tom.
Speaker 1: It would take years, by some kind. It's more than
Speaker 1: a decade before Joe Pine would have a true successor.
Speaker 1: He was so far ahead of his time that it
Speaker 1: was not until the nineteen eighties he died in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy that the media landscape was truly ready for someone
Speaker 1: to pick up the torch seems like the wrong word,
Speaker 1: like the word yeah yeah. The first man to follow
Speaker 1: in his wake was Wally George. Have you heard of
Speaker 1: Wally George? No? And I usually I'm usually pretty up
Speaker 1: on my wallis, so yeah, no. No, he's not of
Speaker 1: all the Walies, but one of the most consequential of
Speaker 1: the Wallies. So. George Walter Perch was born on December fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty one, in Oakland, California. His father owned a
Speaker 1: small shipping company. His mother, Eugenia, had been a vaudeville
Speaker 1: performer and a child actress in Hollywood. She'd started Western's
Speaker 1: opposite cowboy actors whose names have apparently been forgotten to
Speaker 1: time because they were not Val Kilmer and Tombstone so
Speaker 1: who gives a ship? Wally's and most of his childhood
Speaker 1: and Sam Mateo. But when he was in high school
Speaker 1: his parents divorced and his mother moved to Hollywood where
Speaker 1: he finished his education. Tom who is the who is
Speaker 1: the who was the sheriff in Deadwood? Timothy the old fan? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Timothy Oilefant. That's the other one. That's the other cowboy,
Speaker 1: Val Kilmer, Timothy Oilefant. That's all those are the only
Speaker 1: Sam Elliott, Sam Elliott. Yeah, of course Sam Elliott. So, um,
Speaker 1: you're talking about Sam Elliott in in the Hunt for
Speaker 1: Red October because he's honorarily a cowboy, even though he
Speaker 1: never got to live out his Montana dreams. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's Sam Neil. That's Sam Neil. Esa Christ,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, don't do that very different extremely now.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'll bet Sam Elliott appreciates ducks too.
Speaker 1: Sam's a duck. That's his best friend. I bet Sam
Speaker 1: Elliott has has loved a duck or two in his life,
Speaker 1: cared for a duck. He looked, those eyes looked like
Speaker 1: a duck is brought at twinkleton or twice. Yeah, Ben,
Speaker 1: you can't smile the way Sam Elliott smiles unless you've
Speaker 1: been friendly with the duck. There's a duck in that life.
Speaker 1: I can tell it's a duck in that man's heart
Speaker 1: was somewhere in there. So Wally spends most of his
Speaker 1: childhood in San Mateo. But when he's in high school,
Speaker 1: his parents divorce, and that's not common in the forties, Right,
Speaker 1: It's got to be a great marriage for that to
Speaker 1: be happening in the forties. Alternatively, maybe it's the two
Speaker 1: parents who are uncommonly aware of how bad a toxic
Speaker 1: union can be for a kid. I don't really know
Speaker 1: what the case was. I'm going to guess it was
Speaker 1: a really unpleasant situation, judging by the probably, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think no fault divorces exist yet existed yet
Speaker 1: in California. So you had to like sue for like
Speaker 1: a reason. Yeah, you had to fistfight a judge to
Speaker 1: get that fight. Yeah. Um, so his mother moves to Hollywood,
Speaker 1: where he finishes his education. He was immediately drawn to
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, obviously his family's involved in it. Um.
Speaker 1: At age fourteen, he gets a gig working as a
Speaker 1: DJ and an AM radio station in Glendale. Prior to this,
Speaker 1: Wally had been a stutterer, just like Joe Pine. I
Speaker 1: do find that interesting. Both these guys are dudes who
Speaker 1: stutter when their kids. Um. He credits his first radio
Speaker 1: gig with curing him. He kind of like overcomes his
Speaker 1: speech impediment on the job, um, which I did with
Speaker 1: carpal tunnel syndrome. Now. He subsequently worked at bit gigs
Speaker 1: at other local radio stations. He held ambitions to write
Speaker 1: for television, and in his early twenties he did write
Speaker 1: one episode if the TV show Bonanza. Okay, alrighte, good work.
Speaker 1: That's a real TV show. After we listen, after we
Speaker 1: listen to this, after we record this, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go watch that Episode's gonna see if anything pops
Speaker 1: out to me if there's anything problematic about Wally George's
Speaker 1: episode of Bonanza? Is there anything problematic about an episode
Speaker 1: of Bonanza? That's the one. It's the one Bonanza episode
Speaker 1: that in that in the middle has a seven minute
Speaker 1: rant about Martin Luther King Jr. So, Wally got hit
Speaker 1: first radio show, the Wally George Show on Katie Y
Speaker 1: n f M in Inglewood. I was trying to do
Speaker 1: my radio voice for that one came across. Yeah, thank you, Tom.
Speaker 1: I love how not imaginative any of these people are.
Speaker 1: It's always either just the My Name Show or the
Speaker 1: My Name Report or the my Name file. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing they have. Yeah, I think there's a degree
Speaker 1: of it that's just like, look, you're gonna move, as
Speaker 1: we we saw with Joe Pine. It's not uncommon. It's
Speaker 1: just been like a year or less. At most of
Speaker 1: the places you work. You're moving around all the time.
Speaker 1: You're trying to build brand recognition. So at least you
Speaker 1: want people to like know your name. You know um,
Speaker 1: And to be fair, everybody doesn't. They don't say let's
Speaker 1: watch tonight, so the Tonight Show. They say, let's watch Carson,
Speaker 1: let's watch let's watch Harrison, let's watch Leno, let's watch
Speaker 1: Uh No, there's no one else anyone. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's done now. Yeah, I mean, I have no animosity
Speaker 1: towards Stephen Colbert, but my god, late night TV is
Speaker 1: just a horrible idea. Um, we should know that, we
Speaker 1: should accept it. It's it's it's it needs to go.
Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson needs to be allowed to take it out
Speaker 1: behind a barn and shoot it. That that's who should
Speaker 1: do it. Craig crying like the boy and old yellers
Speaker 1: and loads of shotgun's shotgun and did you so? He
Speaker 1: gets his first show in nineteen sixty nine, which is
Speaker 1: the year before Joe Pine dies. Um, and yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes through, you know, he does, like they all do.
Speaker 1: He runs through like a series of shows on different networks.
Speaker 1: He produces and co hosts talk radio programs one with
Speaker 1: l A's then mayor Sam Yourty for like nearly a decade. Um,
Speaker 1: so he's in like talk radio for a while, but
Speaker 1: kind of a respectable turn of talk radio. Um. He
Speaker 1: starts his own radio show and it does well enough
Speaker 1: that he's able to Uh. In nineteen seventy nine, he
Speaker 1: starts his own talk radio show again. Um, and this
Speaker 1: one does well enough that he's able to launch his
Speaker 1: own TV show off of it, called hot Seat, which
Speaker 1: first airs in nineteen eighty three. And an independent radio
Speaker 1: station in Anaheim, California. Three is a year before Rush
Speaker 1: Limboss started his first political radio show UM and a
Speaker 1: decade before the first episode of the Jerry Springer Show.
Speaker 1: In nineteen Hot Seat with Wally George would include elements
Speaker 1: from both of these later shows. From an article in
Speaker 1: Timeline Quote, George had a way of rilling even the
Speaker 1: most collected and intelligent guests. In his first year, for instance,
Speaker 1: George invited then a c l U lawyer and later
Speaker 1: journalist Jeff Cohen to talk about police brutality and surveillance
Speaker 1: of lawful, politically motivated organizations. At first, Cohen's responses to
Speaker 1: questions like why do you want to handcuff the police
Speaker 1: department from catching criminals seemed prepared, choreographed, But after a
Speaker 1: few minutes the interview intensifies. Both raised their voices, the
Speaker 1: audience clatters and gesticulates. George interjects with an age old challenge,
Speaker 1: I have nothing to hide, so what do I care
Speaker 1: if police watch me? The audience braise with joy. But
Speaker 1: for all his cruel, bravado and personal attacks, George consistently
Speaker 1: stumbled when the tables were turned. His ideology was full
Speaker 1: of contradictions. In one episode, he spits, I say, Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King does not deserve a national holiday in his name.
Speaker 1: There are many more Americans who deserve it a heck
Speaker 1: of a lot more so. That's the kind of guy
Speaker 1: he is. We're no longer like the genteel playing it
Speaker 1: being polite kind of guy. Um. He's He's very much
Speaker 1: a recognizable sort of right wing media figure. Yeah. Keeps
Speaker 1: keeping it authentically asshole. Yeah, keeping it authentically asshole. Um.
Speaker 1: In November of nineteen eighty three, while he earned his
Speaker 1: first national news story when he's so irritated his guest
Speaker 1: Blaze bond Pain, a pacifist in Human Rights Act rules.
Speaker 1: That is a good name right now. The short version
Speaker 1: of the stories that Blaze got angry and flipped Wally's desk.
Speaker 1: He had to be escorted out by security. That sounds
Speaker 1: like something a person named Blaze would do. It does
Speaker 1: it does because he's a Blaze man. He's full of fire.
Speaker 1: Sounds like an American clamator. It's gonna flip pacifically like
Speaker 1: while he gets like a pacifist activist to flip his
Speaker 1: desk on TV desk never really happened before? Is like
Speaker 1: a huge deal, Like this is the first Horoldo getting
Speaker 1: hit with a fucking share you know. Um God, what
Speaker 1: a great moment that was. I found an interview with
Speaker 1: Blaze that sheds more light on this incident and what
Speaker 1: came after. Because this incident really like you could draw
Speaker 1: a direct line from this to Jerry Springer. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: what year was this again? This is er starts, um,
Speaker 1: and this is really like this, this, this chunk I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read is interesting because it gives you. It gives
Speaker 1: you a sense of the way in which Wally is
Speaker 1: helping to give birth to not just the cultural space
Speaker 1: that guys like Jerry Springer occupied, but like what reality
Speaker 1: TV becomes. Um, So this is him. This is Blaze
Speaker 1: talking about what happened after he flips that desk and
Speaker 1: gets escorted off by security. Quote. He called me this
Speaker 1: had to be nineteen eighty three and asked if I
Speaker 1: could come on his program. It was right during Reagan's
Speaker 1: Warren Grenada. In a phone conversation, he seemed just delightful.
Speaker 1: I was in the background listening to his interviews just
Speaker 1: before me, a Mexican American attorney, and Wally was just
Speaker 1: insulting him with racial slurs and so on, and I
Speaker 1: was quite irritated just hearing him operate. When it was
Speaker 1: my turn, I went to the interview and he had
Speaker 1: a large group of young people in the audience, and
Speaker 1: just as he was getting started, I torn towards the
Speaker 1: audience and I said, I hope you won't go and
Speaker 1: die as the enemy in a place like Grenado where
Speaker 1: you're not wanted. He got a little upset when I
Speaker 1: made that comment. He came over and assaulted me and
Speaker 1: battered me. He attacked me from behind. It was a
Speaker 1: little difficult for a long standing boxer to not respond,
Speaker 1: but I thought that would be a terrible thing to do.
Speaker 1: So I looked at his desk and I saw there
Speaker 1: was no one near it and no one that would
Speaker 1: be harmed. So I just flipped the desk over and
Speaker 1: walked out. I came home and I told my wife
Speaker 1: and children how surprised I was, and within moments we
Speaker 1: saw it on ABC, CBS, NBC. It was all over
Speaker 1: the country. I think that particular episode had has been
Speaker 1: played a thousand times across the country. I still see it.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how it made an impact on TV. There
Speaker 1: was no staging. However, after the security men ushered me
Speaker 1: to my car, I went home and the following morning,
Speaker 1: Wally called me and said, Blaze, we have a terrific
Speaker 1: thing going here. We can do this all over the country.
Speaker 1: I said, Wally, you're a charlatan and there will be
Speaker 1: no further interviews, thank you. Wally doesn't believe in shit.
Speaker 1: Wal Wally is just like, yeah, I'll bring this. I like,
Speaker 1: I want him to throw ship. I want to like,
Speaker 1: this is great TV. So that's more of the thing
Speaker 1: that I was talking about last episode, where it's like,
Speaker 1: is he genuinely getting pulled in this direction or is
Speaker 1: he getting pulled in this direction because like this is
Speaker 1: make this makes good TV? And Yeah, that's like the
Speaker 1: guiding light of a lot of these chuds is that
Speaker 1: they don't actually believe in a lot of things. If anything,
Speaker 1: I just believe in whatever gets them the money, gets
Speaker 1: in the attention. I think Joe Pine might have believed
Speaker 1: in things. He certainly fought for something at one point. Um.
Speaker 1: I Wally clearly doesn't like he's just happy to like yeah, um,
Speaker 1: like the next day, like it was a pro wrestling match,
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Like, yeah, we can do this, all of it,
Speaker 1: and you can tear the country. So what the funk
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Joe Pine is like not a
Speaker 1: good person, not a nice person, pretty racist and bigot,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in a lot of ways, although I
Speaker 1: doubt excessively for his time UM, which is not saying
Speaker 1: anything good about him. It's talking about like the white
Speaker 1: dudes in the nineteen sixties and his generation. We're pretty
Speaker 1: fucking racist. But I don't think I wouldn't qualify him
Speaker 1: as a bastard based on like the things he intentionally did.
Speaker 1: Once we're at Wally George, We're we're in like the
Speaker 1: like full bastard territory, like sweat, because Joe Paine is
Speaker 1: a guy who's like willing to do things and like
Speaker 1: drudge up, judge up controversy, but also can listen to
Speaker 1: people and like has something he believes in UM and
Speaker 1: is trying to get across with Wally George. It is
Speaker 1: pure I'm into this right wing ship just for because
Speaker 1: it's what it gets the rage views, it gets people angry,
Speaker 1: gets people riled up. I don't care who I have
Speaker 1: on I want folks to fight. I just want to
Speaker 1: like tickle people's amygdala and make them angry. You know,
Speaker 1: does he start selling brain pills forever? No? No, he's
Speaker 1: not not to mine. O. Well, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: I I can't comprehensively say he never sold brain pills. Um,
Speaker 1: I I cannot make that claim to a point of certainty.
Speaker 1: Tom excited that that, like Alex Jones and like a
Speaker 1: lot of the folks who came after, Wally George built
Speaker 1: an audience that was cult like in its devotion. By
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, an audience of mostly college age men
Speaker 1: were waiting up to six months for their chance to
Speaker 1: sit in his eight person studio audience. People would like
Speaker 1: sign up for this ship way ahead of time. They'd
Speaker 1: shout who and wear shirts with American flags on them,
Speaker 1: roaring until he forced them to stop. Where Joe Pine
Speaker 1: could be mocking and even cruel, as long as he
Speaker 1: maintained an air of genteel politeness, Wally George was free
Speaker 1: to scream, shout, and even strike people. He told one
Speaker 1: interviewer in nineteen eighty four. They say that I'm a lunatic,
Speaker 1: that I'm a maniac. But why do you have to
Speaker 1: smile at your guests and be nice and let them
Speaker 1: say what they want to say. In this, Wally completed
Speaker 1: the transition from Joe Pine, a right wing firebrand whose
Speaker 1: work was still firmly rooted in the outward civility of
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, to modern right wing media. Wally would
Speaker 1: not sit and listen to, for example, a trans woman
Speaker 1: explaining her life. He had no interest in letting guests
Speaker 1: say their peace. The central conceit of his show was
Speaker 1: that left leaning guests would be allowed to show up
Speaker 1: and try to make an argument, while Wally and his
Speaker 1: audience harassed and assaulted them. I want to play this
Speaker 1: segment from his show where he is a popular radio
Speaker 1: d e j A on the DJ brings you two
Speaker 1: albums to hand out to the audience. It was nineteen
Speaker 1: four and he chastise and he chastises Wally for having
Speaker 1: previously claimed the band were devil worshippers, which is an
Speaker 1: argument Wally George made a number of times. Here's Wally's reply.
Speaker 1: You said, you two a bunch of devil worships. They
Speaker 1: are terrible that Christians three of the four that Chris,
Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm wrong, You're wrong. Wally is never my God.
Speaker 1: That's what he looks like to me, I don't want
Speaker 1: any proof because he looks like Rick Flair with a
Speaker 1: person balance getting we're getting one of the same time.
Speaker 1: It looks like cracking down on what they call radio
Speaker 1: shock radio. And I say it's about time. I say
Speaker 1: the f c C should crack down. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of nonstance, a lot of really filth and sexual innuendo
Speaker 1: that little kids you're listening to. And I say, it's
Speaker 1: about time at the FCC cracked down on these filthy
Speaker 1: radio stations. All right, all right, that's enough of this clip.
Speaker 1: So first off, he looks incredible. It looks incredible. He
Speaker 1: looks the amazing thing about Wally looks like a carnival magician.
Speaker 1: You you watch, he looks like a guy that ties
Speaker 1: balloon animals. You watched thirty seconds of Wally George, and
Speaker 1: every fake media figure from a Paul Verhoeven movie in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties suddenly make because they're all him. They're
Speaker 1: all Wally George. Like every media figure that like Gott
Speaker 1: mocked in one of those like surreal nineties movies is
Speaker 1: fucking Wally George. He looks like Julian Sands as a
Speaker 1: TV preacher. He looks like if Julian sanj was a warlock. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: if a vampire bits Julian a Sanja's neck, he would tear.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. He's in. For those of you who are
Speaker 1: going to look at the picture. He has like shoulder
Speaker 1: length white hair that can't be real. It's it's either
Speaker 1: a wig or like so flat ironed that it just there.
Speaker 1: Like he's got a white suit. He looks like Mr
Speaker 1: White from the Venture Brothers, but not at I'll bite.
Speaker 1: It's just an amazing, amazing commitment to a very specific aesthetic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like, this is my thing and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: blunt forced the nineteen eighties. A third of my body
Speaker 1: weight is cocaine. It's he's he does. He looks like
Speaker 1: somebody like he looks like the Shredder dumped Mutagen on
Speaker 1: the Pilot cocaine. Yeah, like that Ian was a man.
Speaker 1: That's so tom Yeah. Here's him talking to Larry Rice,
Speaker 1: a same sex marriage advocate and an AIDS awareness activist.
Speaker 1: Oh boy hooraye a gay pride parade. I say it
Speaker 1: is very offensive. It is very offensive for gays to
Speaker 1: be running around or groping each other in the park.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think it's very fair for
Speaker 1: you to make fun of people who's whose lifestyle is
Speaker 1: not the way you want it to be. And I
Speaker 1: think it's all it really. I think it's kind of sad,
Speaker 1: you know, because like they don't hurt you what they do.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm down offense that you stupid, that
Speaker 1: it's offensive and offensive. It's a lot fair, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, because people like you, you're the people because
Speaker 1: the problem people people who are gay. People who are gay,
Speaker 1: they do very rough. They have it very rough in
Speaker 1: this world, okay, because of people like you, And I
Speaker 1: think this is very upset. I think that will make
Speaker 1: it so hard for them to live that they have
Speaker 1: a lot of like mental disorders and things. All right,
Speaker 1: that's probably about enough of That's it's man, If you
Speaker 1: guys listening can stomach looking up this clip, it's an
Speaker 1: it's horrible his audience and they're just like huge nothing
Speaker 1: but high school bullies, like screaming with He's said it's horrible.
Speaker 1: He's just trying to get his point out, and he's
Speaker 1: saying like this these completely rational things. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But it's also one of these a couple of things
Speaker 1: that are interesting. Comparing Pine. Number one, you can think
Speaker 1: back to Joe Pine, who gain I'm certain how very
Speaker 1: regret restI views on on gay people, but asking with
Speaker 1: genuine interest. Oh so someone who is a who's a
Speaker 1: transvestor isn't necessarily a homosexual. Oh that's interesting to me,
Speaker 1: as opposed to Wally George, who just starts screaming at
Speaker 1: how offensive like the thought of a gay person existing.
Speaker 1: It's like his with his flaxen shoulder length, fair and
Speaker 1: long sleeved turtleneck with a blazer, and he's screaming about
Speaker 1: how gay Pride parade is offensive. Roger Stone vibes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he definitely has that Roger Stone would wear. He does
Speaker 1: look like a disguise in a Bond villain wig. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that's different is that, you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Pine could be We played him being very rude
Speaker 1: to some people, but also they were all people who
Speaker 1: could go toe to toe with him rhetorically, like Krassner.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously he didn't respect Krastner's media trained Krassner
Speaker 1: was ready for what he got. You know he gave
Speaker 1: as good as he got. This poor man Larry Rice.
Speaker 1: Nothing against him because he's saying very reasonable things. He's
Speaker 1: clearly not media trained. He's not, really he's not, and
Speaker 1: he's so you can say against him. The clip is
Speaker 1: so upsetting because you can see it, like it's part
Speaker 1: of why, it's part of like the bad faith of
Speaker 1: like debate me, because the tactic is just to keep
Speaker 1: shouting at you these things to keep you off topic.
Speaker 1: And it's like, not only is this guy battling this
Speaker 1: overbearing dipshit of a host, but the entire audience is
Speaker 1: jeering at him the whole time. It's like, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine being in that, like even if you are media trained,
Speaker 1: like even if you are media trained, being in that
Speaker 1: situations like Jesus, like, I can't. I can't find footing
Speaker 1: to even make my argument. No one can do well
Speaker 1: in that kind of an environment. But no, And it's again,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. I do think that like
Speaker 1: Joe Pine was someone who did want to debate people
Speaker 1: and would debate people and would go out of his
Speaker 1: way to get people who he who could present themselves
Speaker 1: well on television, even if what they were saying was like,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say that maybe this was comprehensibly
Speaker 1: true of everything he did, but all of Wally George
Speaker 1: is like it is nothing, but but this is it's
Speaker 1: just hate. I want to point out that his little
Speaker 1: turtleneck matched the wallpaper of his set. It did it.
Speaker 1: He's got He's got a little behind him is a
Speaker 1: framed photo of of of a Space shuttle taking off.
Speaker 1: It just says USA at the bottom. So his set
Speaker 1: is like a little boy's room, and it's I keep
Speaker 1: bringing up Joe Pine, like positively, not to say nice
Speaker 1: things about Joe Pine, and please don't take this as
Speaker 1: like me trying to defend his legacy, but to point
Speaker 1: like how badly things have degenerated, like sixteen seventeen years
Speaker 1: dark the differences. Yeah, I'm sitting here trying to think of, like, man,
Speaker 1: what happened. And you know that a lot of things happened. Yes,
Speaker 1: between nineteen seventy and ninety, religious right became a political block,
Speaker 1: which it wasn't when um, when Joe Pine was on
Speaker 1: their the religious right was not a political block. That
Speaker 1: didn't happen until seventy nine. Um. So yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a very bleak, but very clear. He's all slide downhill.
Speaker 1: He's proto seven hundred Club too, just the way he looks,
Speaker 1: the way he looks, I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: proto when did this have an underclub? Stuff? That's true
Speaker 1: solid nineteen sixty six, the seven hundred Club, all I
Speaker 1: gotta give you that. Okay, Yeah, but Tom, you know
Speaker 1: what did come before the seven hundred Club and we'll
Speaker 1: be there long after. Um, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know you are. You can tell me the products and
Speaker 1: services Tom, that support this podcast, solid, solid throat ad Man. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're back, and we're we're not better than ever. We
Speaker 1: just are continually sliding down hill. No, we're not even
Speaker 1: We're not even better than Ezra at this point. We're
Speaker 1: not now, Tom. Yeah, so let's talk some more about
Speaker 1: that horrific interview UM with Larry Rice. Upset me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really upset it. And again it's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing like you just didn't feel that way listening to
Speaker 1: the Joe Pine clips, even when he was being a
Speaker 1: ship head, not that kind of well, it's it's the
Speaker 1: it's it's frighteningly close to a lynch mom. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if he'd ordered them, they would have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's really alarming. It's it's a it's very upset
Speaker 1: clip to watch. It's really fucked up, and it gets
Speaker 1: a lot worse. And he's sucking clown to It's like
Speaker 1: the Stoker on vacation, fucking Wally George. It's a clown name,
Speaker 1: that's a clown shoe name, Wally motherfucker. So he goes
Speaker 1: on in that interview to say here in the United States,
Speaker 1: we don't want perverts marrying each other. And then when
Speaker 1: they start discussing AIDS prevention, he tells Larry, I don't
Speaker 1: want these gay AIDS carriers to spread their disease to
Speaker 1: all of us heterosexuals. People like you were spitting at me.
Speaker 1: I could catch AIDS from you, just a mountain a
Speaker 1: ship dressed in a terrible suit. Now, when it comes
Speaker 1: to evaluating the appeal and the impact of Wally George,
Speaker 1: I think this pass from that Timeline article does about
Speaker 1: the best job possible. Quote hot seat com modified old
Speaker 1: white man anger and gave it room to fester. George's
Speaker 1: fury was the entire point. It gave audiences permission to
Speaker 1: act out their bassist impulses. During the conservative Reagan era,
Speaker 1: the allure of the show was merely having an outlet
Speaker 1: for anger. Period it was a contractual yelling match with
Speaker 1: the viewers invited. Ye that makes sense. Yeah, that all
Speaker 1: ties together seems relevant. Um, gosh, somebody somebody else really
Speaker 1: rose to prominence the eighties. Gosh, who was that? And
Speaker 1: Howard Stern. This is a big major media figure. I'm
Speaker 1: big decetious rush Limbaugh Yeah, Trump, Yeah, Trump, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is this is the era they're all. This
Speaker 1: is where all all of them dickheads came from, all
Speaker 1: those real pieces of ship. Um. Now, during his rise
Speaker 1: to prominence, as we stated, there were a number of
Speaker 1: dudes inhabiting a similar field. Rush Limbug gets on the
Speaker 1: radio a year later. Don Imus and Howard Stern, who
Speaker 1: are less offensive figures, not much less in the case
Speaker 1: of don Imus, are starting around this period. But the
Speaker 1: fact that Wally George worked most prominent, worked most prominently
Speaker 1: on TV, giving his viewers and live audience as an
Speaker 1: outlet to invent their rage and frustration on human beings
Speaker 1: made them made him unique. In his nineteen again, it's
Speaker 1: it's like half a lynch mob, and that's half of
Speaker 1: the appeal Wally George does. In his nineteen ninety nine autobiography,
Speaker 1: he coined the phrase combat TV to describe the thing
Speaker 1: that he invented. And now that's like all news programs.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's just bleak. One of Wally's most popular
Speaker 1: guests was a special piece of ship named Tom Metzger,
Speaker 1: the head of a Nazi organization called White Area in Resistance.
Speaker 1: I suppose you could critique him as again like Joe Pine,
Speaker 1: platforming a Nazi, and he is kind of doing that.
Speaker 1: But Wally, I don't know. Wally can't be certainly can't
Speaker 1: be accused of equivocating on Nazism because I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: you a clip of that next. All across this great
Speaker 1: country now in our eleventh year, and we have the
Speaker 1: putres a batman villain. As I was about to say
Speaker 1: before we went to our break, some of you don't
Speaker 1: know what Tom Metzker has been involved in. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back to that case up in Oregon where some
Speaker 1: of Tom Metzker's followers went up to Oregon and they
Speaker 1: beat a black man to death with do applaud that,
Speaker 1: you idiot? They beat this black man to death with
Speaker 1: baseball bats. Followers of Tom Metzker say, he sits there
Speaker 1: with that, He sits there with that smug little grin
Speaker 1: on his face because he doesn't get his hands bloody.
Speaker 1: He sends out, wait, he sends out, he has henchman
Speaker 1: at his followers to do his dirty work for him. Alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: So it's very it's very very telling that he had
Speaker 1: to tell somebody in the audience stop clapping. That's exactly right,
Speaker 1: point out because he is certainly not in like to
Speaker 1: the exynthity platforms. He's mostly screaming at him. Um. But
Speaker 1: you can see again where things have gone that, like
Speaker 1: stop his lapping, encouraging is bringing these people in Wally.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, but it's also there's something so bleak about
Speaker 1: that too, because there are a lot of mostly horrible
Speaker 1: things you can say about Wally, and I'm sure Tom
Speaker 1: went on his show because he saw it as a platform.
Speaker 1: But Wally never for a second pretended that this guy
Speaker 1: need to be heard out. He just had him on
Speaker 1: to scream at it um, which, again, as bad as Wally,
Speaker 1: George just makes him better than a lot of right
Speaker 1: wing media today, like even it's even gone hill downhill
Speaker 1: since Wally George is the point I'm making, not trying
Speaker 1: to like praise Wally George, but it's like the even
Speaker 1: more than this cess pool. Yeah, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe like if fucking Richard Spencer he would have heard out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't He didn't often hear people out,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that he would have invited anyone
Speaker 1: on that. He couldn't have just screamed at um. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's um, it's a little bleak um. That said,
Speaker 1: he was very happy to capitalize off the outrage that
Speaker 1: bringing a guy like Metzker on generated. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be praising him for yelling at Tom Metzger. He's
Speaker 1: doing it to make money. I want to quote from
Speaker 1: an article on Wally by o C Weekly, Orange County,
Speaker 1: which is, for those of you who do not know
Speaker 1: the like the Republican one of the biggest Republican stronghold
Speaker 1: in California. Pretty Much what made those hot seat appearances
Speaker 1: by Metzger in the nineteen eighties and nineties so relevant
Speaker 1: was just how clearly the lines between good and evil
Speaker 1: were drawn. George wore the white hat literally, and Metzger
Speaker 1: was the bad guy if there was no great to
Speaker 1: be found, and the audience reaction corroborated those roles. George's
Speaker 1: last interview with Metzger was around nineteen nine two, against
Speaker 1: the backdrop of that year's l A Riots, and George
Speaker 1: absolutely laid into Metzker. George repeatedly scolded Mesker for being
Speaker 1: un American and referred to War as a bunch of
Speaker 1: dumb Nazis. George kicked Metzker off his stage after an
Speaker 1: unprecedented but understandable four minutes. It was a proud moment
Speaker 1: for Orange County Conservatism as embodied by George. It stood
Speaker 1: up to the emblematic scourge of white supremacy. And obviously
Speaker 1: I don't particularly agree with that take, but it's interesting
Speaker 1: that like, this modern o c Conservative writer is looking
Speaker 1: back at Wally George and be like, remember when we
Speaker 1: yelled at Nazis supposed to marching with them in the streets.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not trying to say that this guy is right,
Speaker 1: because this shouldn't be a proud moment for conservatism because
Speaker 1: also he brought him on his fucking show. Um, it's
Speaker 1: interesting to me that this this guy looking at like
Speaker 1: because he's I'm sure he's referring to like these mobs
Speaker 1: you've had, like attacking vaccine sites and fucking we spawn
Speaker 1: whatnot in l a um, some of which include fucking Nazis.
Speaker 1: And he's like, remember when we used to at least
Speaker 1: yell at Nazis. Um, It's it's bleak. Wally filmed his
Speaker 1: show in Orange Countie, and he was a local institution
Speaker 1: and incredibly influential to the combative form of conservatism that
Speaker 1: exists in that enclave to this day. But as the
Speaker 1: author of that article points out, modern o c conservatives,
Speaker 1: though very much the descendants of Wally George, often lack
Speaker 1: his very minimal ethical convictions. Quote Prescient of what occurred
Speaker 1: in Charlotte's Ville and Trump's reaction to it, the interview
Speaker 1: with Metzger captured a moment in time when conservative Republicans
Speaker 1: rallied openly against white supremacy in the Nazis. Watching that
Speaker 1: episode at his equal parts antiquated and orwellian, with George
Speaker 1: orchestrating an audience full of young, mostly white conservative Orange
Speaker 1: County men and fomenting and rallying viciously against Metzger, and
Speaker 1: what he stood for. To riff on Trump's own axiom,
Speaker 1: George made it clear that there were not very fine
Speaker 1: people on both sides. In a fitting into the segment,
Speaker 1: George stood up behind his desk and led his audience
Speaker 1: in a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, with particular
Speaker 1: vocal emphasis on the last line, with liberty and justice
Speaker 1: for all. He then expanded on that theme to his
Speaker 1: audience as he looked deploringly at Metzger, reminding him the
Speaker 1: phrase meant to encompass all races, all religions, and all creeds.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's uh, it's bleak. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like George Wally's old. Wally's the kind of dude that
Speaker 1: would have this guy on to scream at him. Not
Speaker 1: because he really personally finds his politics all that distasteful.
Speaker 1: I don't think he cares about any I don't think.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he finds the because I don't think he
Speaker 1: cares about politics much. No, it was just one I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was just a thing, creating a situation
Speaker 1: where he could be the good guy and generate, you know,
Speaker 1: ratings for his TV show. I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: refuse to applaud him for any partner. And I'm not
Speaker 1: quoting this to applaud him. I'm quoting because it's interesting
Speaker 1: to see someone writing from that perspective of the county
Speaker 1: Conservative going, remember when we when we didn't like Nazi,
Speaker 1: Remember when we remember when we had at least that
Speaker 1: line that crossed And when you're looking back at Wally
Speaker 1: george standards, we believed in things, and there's this guy
Speaker 1: like calls a dude who flipped his desk over the
Speaker 1: next tabula. We should turn the country with this, we
Speaker 1: should tour the country even anything he believes in. He
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in a goddamn thing. Um. Now, it is
Speaker 1: unclear to me whether or not Wally George, living in
Speaker 1: the modern era, would have fully embraced, embraced the white
Speaker 1: nationalist authoritarian politics that have since devoured the gop I
Speaker 1: suspect so in a way that I don't know if
Speaker 1: Joe Pine would have as racist as I'm sure Joe
Speaker 1: Pine was. Joe Pine at least was in World War Two. Like,
Speaker 1: I think he might fight not he might brush up
Speaker 1: against that a little bit. Yeah, I think if he
Speaker 1: saw a dude with a swastika flag, in a march.
Speaker 1: He'd be like, well, fuck those guys. Whatever happening over there,
Speaker 1: whatever happening over there. I don't like that flag. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, it's I don't know. I can't say
Speaker 1: what Wally would have done clearly. Um. But if we're
Speaker 1: to judge purely off his TV appearances, maybe no. If
Speaker 1: we were to judge what we know about him morally,
Speaker 1: probably yes. He he seems cut from the same grift cloth. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ali is It's worth noting one of the very
Speaker 1: first conservative political voices to use a phrase that has
Speaker 1: since become infamous, We must make America great again. Wally
Speaker 1: said this regularly on his show throughout the nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: and early nineteen nineties. Alongside Rush Limbaugh. He also popularized
Speaker 1: phrases like liberal lunatics, calling his detractors strippers, mud wrestlers,
Speaker 1: and bimbos of all sizes and shapes. By the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: Hot Seat was no longer close to unique. Jerry Springer
Speaker 1: and Rush Limbaugh had both entered TV by then. Russia's
Speaker 1: foray didn't last long, but in nineteen ninety six, Fox
Speaker 1: News started up and provided a much more respectable venue
Speaker 1: for far right hate speech. Meanwhile, Jerry Springer delivered a
Speaker 1: gleefully a political approach to combat television that more people
Speaker 1: found appealing than Wally's right wing rants. The fact that
Speaker 1: Springer himself was a much more pleasant person than may
Speaker 1: have had something to do with this. In nineteen George's
Speaker 1: wife left him in the least surprising turn of she
Speaker 1: took their seven year old daughter with her, Thank God
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. We do not know how many times Wally
Speaker 1: was married, at least four, some sources say as many
Speaker 1: as six times. Like that. It's like a fucking legend,
Speaker 1: Like we don't know. It's like, we don't really know
Speaker 1: how many of course, that fucking crip keeper looking dude,
Speaker 1: we don't know. I don't know how many wives he's
Speaker 1: got locked in a closet like wives surviving exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wally had several kids, but he was not really a
Speaker 1: father to any of them. Like he would have kids,
Speaker 1: but he was no one's father. I think it's fair
Speaker 1: to say, man, judging by his his set, I thought
Speaker 1: he would have delighted in having little kids, having a
Speaker 1: little kid around you guys in the rocket ships and
Speaker 1: blue turtlenecks. His most prominent child Tom was the actress
Speaker 1: Rebecca de Mornay. Um, yeah, that's his daughter, Wally, just daughter.
Speaker 1: Tell us about Rebecca de Mornay. Oh, they have kind
Speaker 1: of the same hair, like you can see it. M man,
Speaker 1: that's that's fucked up. I mean, I mean, she's in
Speaker 1: hand that rocks the Cradle. She's in that The Sweet
Speaker 1: Three Musketeers, you know, the Disney one with with Oliver
Speaker 1: Platt and Charlie Sheen and keep it Sutherland Umn't that
Speaker 1: TV version of the Shining She is in that TV
Speaker 1: version of the shot. That's a man that just shattered
Speaker 1: my entire universe. Didn't expect that, didn't expect that, didn't
Speaker 1: expect to learn that today? Did you know? That's that's
Speaker 1: too late. I was gonna say, was she the one
Speaker 1: that the that the wife took? But now she was
Speaker 1: our refective warning was already in movies at that point.
Speaker 1: I think she was. You know, he was just having
Speaker 1: kids in abandoning him left and right. M you know
Speaker 1: who else has kids in abandons them? The person the
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Speaker 1: just silently appreciating the song A Boy Named Sue, which
Speaker 1: again contains all of the parenting lessons. Anyone listening to
Speaker 1: this will ever need to know, certainly anyone we're talking
Speaker 1: about will certainly ever ever, So, Rebecca de Mornay, am
Speaker 1: I saying her name right as far as I know?
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, you know she is obviously, Um what's
Speaker 1: she in? What's what's her big ship? I just rattled?
Speaker 1: Are you serious, Tom, Okay, Well, my brain doesn't work, Tom,
Speaker 1: and C is probably your biggest right hand that rocks
Speaker 1: the cradle. I'm sorry, I'm on I'm on drugs, and
Speaker 1: it's more that I I'm most mostly sober now. It's
Speaker 1: more that I was on drugs for thirteen straight years. Um,
Speaker 1: my memory doesn't do so great. Remember you knew me
Speaker 1: during Remember that I was not smoking. Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: there for that. That night I gave everybody way too
Speaker 1: much night You put Dave in the hospital hallucinating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, in fairness, Dave. Dave decided the hospital was
Speaker 1: the right place to be at that. That's true. I
Speaker 1: haven't been able to watch uh, Back to the Future
Speaker 1: since we were coming up during that when we realized
Speaker 1: we had grossly misjudged the amount of post taken a
Speaker 1: whole lot. It was something like sixty sixty doses or so.
Speaker 1: Um so. His most prominent child was the actress Rebecca
Speaker 1: to Morne, who fucking hated Wally George. He like publicly
Speaker 1: attacked him, and Wally blasted her in interviews as bitter,
Speaker 1: twisted and out to ruin me. I found an old
Speaker 1: l A Times article that provides more context to Wally
Speaker 1: during the down swing of his career. You know she's
Speaker 1: my daughter, don't you, asks George. He can't help basking
Speaker 1: in the reflected glory of her celebrity status, even while
Speaker 1: conceding that she grew up in England without knowing him
Speaker 1: and wants nothing to do with him. Now, what really
Speaker 1: bothers bothers me more than anything is that she's given
Speaker 1: interview saying I never tried to contact her until after
Speaker 1: she became a star. It's not true I embarrass her.
Speaker 1: She hangs out with left wing actors like Robert de
Speaker 1: Niro and Jack Nicholson and Harry Dean Stanton. You don't
Speaker 1: like me because I bad mouth Hollywood. They've convinced her
Speaker 1: I'm bad for her career. I just love that that
Speaker 1: that trifecta's Jack Nicholson famed leftists all. It's very funny. Um.
Speaker 1: In fact, yeah, sorry, yeah, it's very funny. And it's
Speaker 1: one of those things like probably nothing would have maybe
Speaker 1: saved his career more than if he'd actually like made
Speaker 1: up with his daughter and like done a big TV
Speaker 1: special about it. Um. But she never gave into that ship.
Speaker 1: Like that's clearly what he wanted was some kind of
Speaker 1: like big public you know, for show, right, he obviously
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit about her, He abandoned. No, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure absolutely yeah yeah yeah um. By the
Speaker 1: mid nineteen nineties, George's audience was too small for the
Speaker 1: Nielsen Company to rate, which means it reached less than
Speaker 1: twenty four thousand households in the Los Angeles area. As
Speaker 1: a result, in order to chase notoriety and attention, he
Speaker 1: was forced to find weirder and weirder guests for Hot Seat.
Speaker 1: One frequent attendee was Odorous Urungus, the lead singer for Guards.
Speaker 1: Loved Tom turns his head. Odorus loved Wally, telling one interviewer, Honestly,
Speaker 1: of all the talk shows we've been on, everything from
Speaker 1: Springer to Joan Rivers to Jimmy Fallon, it was our
Speaker 1: favorite one, that cheesy little public access show with that
Speaker 1: weirdo Wally George. He kicked ass on all of those
Speaker 1: other multimillion dollar, fucking Hollywood TV creation constructed human being Yuck.
Speaker 1: Those people really made me sick. Yeah, fucking guar. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get why a man who dresses up as a
Speaker 1: monster for a living would enjoy being on Wally George's show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was their whole thing. They just wanted
Speaker 1: to offend people and shock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: why Wally George and him hit it off. Dexter Holland,
Speaker 1: lead singer of The Offspring, was also a guest on
Speaker 1: The Wally George Show and described it as punk, which
Speaker 1: I do think gets it something important For many of
Speaker 1: his young fans, especially, the appeal wasn't that Wally was
Speaker 1: right wing. It was the rock because they weren't. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't that they didn't hate right wing or they
Speaker 1: weren't left wing. They just didn't care about politics. They
Speaker 1: liked that he was raucous, violent and unhinged, and they
Speaker 1: liked that as members of his live audience, they could
Speaker 1: be raucous, violent and unhinged. They could scream and shout
Speaker 1: at people and threatened them and sometimes even get into
Speaker 1: fucking fights on the show. And there's more than a
Speaker 1: little Wally George in the alt rights d in a like,
Speaker 1: I don't care as much about the politics that I'm
Speaker 1: claiming as I do about getting to offend you. You know,
Speaker 1: that's Wally George and that's a big part of modern conservatism. Now,
Speaker 1: other regular guests who sparred with Wally expressed a belief
Speaker 1: that he was not really conservative. He was a showman
Speaker 1: first and foremost, and would happily platform anyone fringe enough
Speaker 1: to be entertaining. Still, there was more than a hint
Speaker 1: of lynch mob to Wally's audience. Nicolas Shrek, lead singer
Speaker 1: of the of Radio Werewolf, recalled it was like Wally
Speaker 1: was a microcosm of Hollywood taking over politics. In a way,
Speaker 1: it could seem harmless or like it was just a joke,
Speaker 1: but when we were actually in the studio and while
Speaker 1: he was presenting me as a scapegoat for all societal ills,
Speaker 1: the audience was whipped into a genuine frenzy. They did
Speaker 1: not take it as a joke, and it felt very
Speaker 1: dangerous to be there. It's easy to think he was
Speaker 1: a humorous phenomenon, but it was part of the whole.
Speaker 1: It was a very violent craziness to the eighties that
Speaker 1: I don't think Americans can remember exactly how it was.
Speaker 1: I went to a Ronald Reagan rally in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: four and I sensed that same inherent violence. You know,
Speaker 1: the novel Lord of the Flies did me of that. Yep,
Speaker 1: there's a lot in there. It feels a little relevant,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Yeah, Shrek onto something there. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: like I said, that's one of the main things about
Speaker 1: watching that clip that was so unpleasant and upsetting is
Speaker 1: is is how close it is to a lynch mob.
Speaker 1: It's just like he's a big goofball. Like we had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun talking about how ridiculous he looks,
Speaker 1: but like that is a frightening there's no judg Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nothing funny about absolutely not. No that I have.
Speaker 1: I have. I have gone toe to toe with more
Speaker 1: or less of that audience in the street with a
Speaker 1: bunch of weapons on their side. It's the same fucking people.
Speaker 1: It's fair, same motivation. It's it's a man. It's so
Speaker 1: it's so parallel to like Trump, because like Trump himself,
Speaker 1: the man, it's a big stupid idiot that's ridiculous looking,
Speaker 1: and you can just look at him have just as
Speaker 1: easily been a Democrat if that had been the easy
Speaker 1: way to get what he wanted. Yeah, just look at
Speaker 1: that big stupid asshole. But then you look at the
Speaker 1: crowds that follow him, like, oh, there's nothing funny about that, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not at all humorous. No, it's just scared. Wally's
Speaker 1: health started to fall apart in the early nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: I know, Tom, this is really going to break your
Speaker 1: heart yourself here, don't tell me I can't take it.
Speaker 1: By ninetee, he had to quit recording new episodes of
Speaker 1: his show, But since Hot Seat had been daily for
Speaker 1: like a decade, the show stayed in reruns for another decade,
Speaker 1: and Wally would regularly record new introductions and conclusions to
Speaker 1: various best of episodes. He died in two thousand three
Speaker 1: of pneumonia. So we have a lot to thank cigarettes
Speaker 1: and pneumonia for but none of them work fast enough.
Speaker 1: Satan called home another angel, another one of his glorious angels.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Satan's angels, Tom hadn't plugtles to plug. That's
Speaker 1: the end. That's the end of part two. We gotta,
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta, we got we got one more.
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