1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at Lambeufield West. A lot of 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: ground to cover on today's show. A twenty three to 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: twenty victory over the Chargers posted by the Green Bay 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Packers on Sunday at lambeau Field, A game coming up 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: right around forty eight hours, I guess from the time 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: we're taping this episode Packers and Lions. Packers and Lions 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: will square off on Thanksgiving at Ford Field, so we'll 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: try to both review and preview. Biggest statistic, of course, 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: from the victory over the Chargers Jordan Love three hundred 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and twenty two passing yards with two touchdowns and the 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Packers first three hundred yard passing game since December of 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and first one for first one in 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Love's career. And it was great to see the 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: offense build on four quarters of production in Pittsburgh, even 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: though it didn't produce as many points as you would 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: have hoped. With another four quarters of production against the Chargers, 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: even though again not as many points as you would 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: have hoped, but two days too, I'm sorry, two games 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: in a row. The Packers offense has been a threat 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: for four quarters and not gone into some kind of 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: a shutdown mode like we had seen earlier in the season. 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: That was my biggest takeaway from this one, as the 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers found a way to win in the 27 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, and they didn't just do it because they 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: ended up having the offense just you know, ouch, you know, 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: beating out the you know, kind of a shootout, I 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: should say. With the LA Chargers, the defense stepped up, 31 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: got a timely stop, got a takeaway, and then Kenny 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: Clark's first batted pass in four years. Could not have 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: come at a better time for the Packers seal that victory. 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: But ultimately, Mike, you can talk about red zone defense, 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: you can talk about, you know, the amount of young 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: players that stepped up in this thing. For me, it 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: came back to Jordan Love because I thought when the 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: Packers needed him to be his best, he was. And 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: you know, there were some moments there got a little tight, 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: a couple third and lungs at some inopportune times. You're 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: really sure which way it was going to go, but yep, 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: Love kept his composure through the ball with confidence, trusted 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: his receivers, and I'll tell you what if you were 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: looking for a play, a go ahead score, that was 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 2: going to indicate the little progressions and where Green Bay 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: was working to and what they need to overcome. Romeo 47 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Dobs showing extremely good not only timing with the high 48 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: point of the ball, but also pulling that down aggressively physically, 49 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: and the amount of celebration and jubilation that was shared 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: with that team afterwards. Jordan Love played the way he 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: needed to play, protected the football, and the green Bay 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: Packers won a much need a football game. 53 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Packers offense had been in that situation so 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: many times over the last couple of months. You have 55 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: the ball late in the fourth quarter, you're down by 56 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: one score, you need a score. Most of the time 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: it has been needing a touchdown for various circumstances. And 58 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: this time they needed a touchdown again and they got 59 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: it with really what turned into three big plays. There 60 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: was the third and twenty with the defensive pass interference 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: that got the drive started. That was an attempted pass 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: to Don Tavian Wicks over the middle. Then Love went 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: back to Wicks again. He bounces off a tackler, turns 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: a short pass into a thirty five yard gain, and 65 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: then the twenty four yard are over the top to 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs. When Love kind of hustled up the offense 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: and noticed that the Chargers were a little discombobulated on defense, 68 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, let's snap the ball and go, and 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Romeo was one on one on the outside. He put 70 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: it up there with a chance for the go ahead 71 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: touchdown and the Packers got it. The other thing that 72 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: I really liked, and to me, when you're looking for 73 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: those little things, because we all see the big things, 74 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: when you're looking for those little things that show the 75 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: progress of the offense and where things are now compared 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: to a couple of months ago, I will I will 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: point to something that was learned after the game in 78 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: the postgame press conferences, and I wrote about it in 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: my Rapid Reaction piece after the game that's on the 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: website off folks want to check it out. Jordan Love 81 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: offered up that in the third quarter, the touchdown pastor 82 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Christian Watson in the back corner of the end zone 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: was not a play that was in the game plan. 84 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: He said, you know, he sort of said, I think 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: coach Lafleur drew that one up on the sideline. So 86 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: then I asked Matt Lafleur when he came into the 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: podium afterwards, I followed up on that and said, okay, 88 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: so this is what Jordan said. He said, you drew 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: the play up on the sideline. Lafleur explained even further 90 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: that it was actually tight Ends coach John Dunn, who 91 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: had come up with the idea. He and Lafleur kind 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: of collaborated on it, presumably over the headset or whatever, 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: but it was on that drive there was a defensive 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: look they had seen from the Chargers earlier in the drive. 95 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: John Dunn came up with an idea, a route idea 96 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: to possibly exploit that. So they talked about it during 97 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: the drive and then when the Packers got down into 98 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: the red zone, Lafleur dialed it up, called the play, 99 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: and Love and Watson, the route runners, everybody executed it 100 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: perfectly for a twelve yard touchdown touchdown pass. The fact 101 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: that they could do that in an important situation it 102 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: was not something in the game plan. It wasn't repped 103 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: during the week. It was an improv move based on 104 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: something they thought they could exploit with the defense. It 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: gets thrown in there into a red zone situation and 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: it was executed perfectly. The route was there, the throw 107 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: was right on target, and the Packers get a touchdown 108 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: in the red zone. To me, that one play was 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: an incredible sign of progress because I don't think if 110 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: they're trying to collaborate on the headsets and come up 111 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: with something on the sideline for a red zone play 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: for a touchdown back in September or October, that that's 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: going to work, that the Packers are going to get 114 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: a score there. They got one. It was a big 115 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: score at the time. It gave the Packers the lead 116 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: at the time in the third quarter, and I just 117 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I thought that hearing about that and learning about it, 118 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: about that and how that went down, that really opened 119 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: my eyes. 120 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: Well, and everybody wants to just look at statistics and 121 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: they want to look at you know this, that and 122 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: the other to judge, Hey, like, is Jordan love the guy? 123 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Is he going to be the franchise quarterback? I think 124 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: that it's moments like that that really are the true 125 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: test of a quarterback and being able to play the 126 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: game at the second level. And you know, that's one 127 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: thing we've learned this year with Jordan love and intention, 128 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: in addition to just his intelligence at football IQ, the 129 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: fact that you know he is thinking about the game 130 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: on that next level. He's not just being given the 131 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: play call and trying to execute it. He's trying to 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: figure out, Okay, what can I do to manipulate the defense. 133 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: That's three years of growing, That's three years of working 134 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers. That's three years of being in Matt 135 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: Lafuur system and understanding what his coach wants from him, 136 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: and you're able to take chances like that and produce. 137 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: And then lastly, I just want to mention this too 138 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: for these young receivers. There's a quote that Jaden Reid 139 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: gave to Pete Doherty from the pres Gazette after the game, 140 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: which I thought was a really huge highlight of how 141 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: far this receiving corp has come in the last two months. 142 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: Guy like Reid who's now been nominated back to back 143 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: weeks for the NFL Rookie of the Week. Yeah, fourth 144 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: guy in franchise history, according to Elias that has had 145 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: forty five receiving yards and forty five rushing yards in 146 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: a single game in franchise history, with that thirty two 147 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: yard touchdown end around helping boost his rushing numbers. But 148 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: he said, I mean two months later, three months into 149 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: the season. There's things he's doing out there now that 150 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: he doesn't think he would be able to do the 151 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: first few weeks. The way he's thinking of the game, 152 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: the speed at which he plays, but then also mentally 153 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: processing what's happening around him. And you're seeing that with him, 154 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: You're seeing with Don Tavian Wicks, You're seeing it with 155 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: Tucker Craft. 156 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 157 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: And you know, depending on what happens this week with 158 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: the injured report, Packers might need a whole lot more 159 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: of Tucker Craft in this game against the Lions. So 160 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: that's what you and I Mike talked about from week one. 161 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: You have eighteen weeks, four and a half months until 162 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: the end of the season. What kind of progress do 163 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: you see with these young offensive playmakers. I think you're 164 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: seeing it. 165 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you, and I want to 166 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: get to what's going on with the injuries and whatnot 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: heading into Detroit. We'll get to that in a minute. 168 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: I just want to follow up with regard to the 169 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: defense in this game against the Chargers. Bottom line is 170 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: the defense caught a few breaks here because the Chargers 171 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: dropped some passes that would have been significant plays. Donald 172 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: Parham drops the fourth down play on the Chargers opening possession, 173 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: so that drive gets killed. Keenan Allen, who we talked 174 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: about last week, I wrote a bottom last week. He's 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: in the ten thousand yard club. He dropped two passes 176 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: near the goal line that both would have been at 177 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: a minimum first and goal if not touchdowns. And then 178 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the game, Quinton Johnston drops I 179 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: mean an absolute seed of a throw by Justin Herbert, 180 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: I mean Mike Goodness puts it right on the money 181 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: along the Packers' sideline there, and Quinton Johnston drops it. 182 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: Would have put the Chargers at a minimum in game 183 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: tying field goal range in the final thirty seconds of 184 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: the ballgame, if not, possibly if he's able to catch 185 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: it and stay in bounds, maybe he even scores on it. 186 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: So the Packers caught some breaks there, and I don't 187 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: want to minimize those because this game definitely could have 188 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: gone the other way. But I'll say this as well, 189 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: going up against Justin Herbert, who came as advertised, the 190 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: first time either one of us got to see him 191 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: live and in person, and he was impressive and his 192 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: arm is really something. But at this stage of the season, 193 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: the plan, the plan was the Packers' top four cornerbacks 194 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: were going to be JR Alexander Rousoul, Douglas, keishn Nixon, 195 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes. In your top two safeties would be Darnell 196 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: Savage and Rudy Ford. So that's your dime defense with 197 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: six defensive backs. One of those guys, only one was 198 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: on the field on Sunday against Justin Herbert. The Packers 199 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: needed Carrington Valentine. They needed Corey Ballentine. They needed Anthony 200 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: Johnson Junior, the rookie safety. They needed Jonathan Owens at safety. 201 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: Nixon was out there and he's gotten it out on 202 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: a bad ankle because he got hurt early in the game. 203 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: So as much as as much as the Chargers dropped 204 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: passes certainly had a big impact on this game. I 205 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: thought essentially a makeshift secondary of sorts for the Packers. 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: Based on what the plans were going going along this season. 207 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: I thought they didn't. They didn't make things easy for Herbert. 208 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess he had to make some darn good throws 209 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: and he did. It's just that his receivers kind of 210 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: let him down. 211 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Benny Sap, the third who is promoted from 212 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: the practice squad, was the dime cornerback. 213 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. 214 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: It just again shows you just how how down to 215 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: the felt the Packers were with some of these secondary situations. 216 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: But a couple things to touch on with this game. 217 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: First and foremost, just making a quick comment about the Chargers. 218 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear anymore bullpoo. I'm not gonna 219 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: say bull crap, although I just did bullpoo about Justin 220 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: Herbert and his quarterback record and all these things, winning 221 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: loss record. That guy can play. 222 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: That dude, I'm telling you, if you're I mean, I know, 223 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: the Chargers have a lot of Chargers have a lot 224 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: of stuff to figure out, like that's that's obvious. But man, 225 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: if you if you are a Chargers fan, you are 226 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: feeling darn good about the guy who is taking snaps 227 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: for your offense. 228 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: It's the rare exception. You don't see this much in 229 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: the NFL anymore, where the team has the quarterback situation 230 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: figured out, and they just don't have enough around him. 231 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't. They can't. They can't get the rest 232 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: of some of that injuries. The guy ends up the 233 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: leading rusher in the game for teams because of his. 234 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: Scram Funny some people were ripping about that on inbox, like, 235 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: how did they let Justin Herbert run from us? Justin 236 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: Herbert can run. Yeah, He's always been able to run. 237 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: Did anybody watch the Rose Bowl in Wisconsin? I mean 238 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: the guy won the game with his legs, not his arm. 239 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's that dangerous. 240 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: He has a million dollar arm and he has Austin 241 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: Eckler in the backfield. He doesn't have to run very often, 242 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: but they took advantage of it this game. Keenan Allen 243 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: had one of the most quiet one hundred yard, one 244 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen yard one hundred catch excuse me, ten 245 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: catches one hundred and sixteen yards in a touchdown games 246 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: you're ever going to see. But I thought you made 247 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: a really good point at the end of your statement there. 248 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: The Packers didn't make it easy for them. They had 249 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: to make the most of the opportunities that they were given. 250 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: And there weren't a lot of breakdowns that just led 251 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: to guys being able to just be wide open. Fortunately, 252 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: when Parham was he dropped it. 253 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: But the one, I mean, the one really big, what 254 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: turned out to be the big negative play for the 255 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: defense was the fifty one yard touchdown to the backup 256 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: tight end Smart where he broke free and then Jonathan 257 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: Owens missed the tackle and and you know that ends 258 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: up rupturing into a fifty yard touchdown, and you know 259 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: you kind of sigh and go, oh, you know that 260 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: that shouldn't have happened. But but you know, I give 261 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: I give the guys. I give the guys in the 262 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Packers secondary credit for battling. I mean, yeah, there were 263 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: a couple of flags. You know, Keishaan got flagged for 264 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: a you know, on a third down, but you know 265 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: he's trying to cover Keenan Allen, you know, in the 266 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: slot and and trying to blanket him as best he can. 267 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Close call, tough call, gives them a free first down, 268 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, But but you just you line up and 269 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: keep fighting and keep playing. And that's what these guys 270 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: did and h and as it turned out, fortunately Johnson 271 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: dropped the Johnston dropped the deep ball at the end. 272 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: He was a guy who really hadn't done much at all, 273 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: and then he's got He ends up being the guy 274 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: with the chance to make the big play at the 275 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: end of the game, and he doesn't make it. 276 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: And that really is the product there of being down 277 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: Mike Williams and Josh Palmer and kind of having to 278 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: work down your depth trot a little bit. But let's 279 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: get back to what ultimately is the reason why the 280 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: Packers won this game. It came down to mistakes. And 281 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: Kenny Clark said this in the locker room afterwards when 282 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: I was talking with him and he was part of 283 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: our huddle. The Packers knew going into this thing this 284 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: was going to be incumbent on them to win the 285 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: turnover battle. This was not going to be a team 286 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: that you could play in have take not get takeaways 287 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: and lose the turnover margin expect to win. It just 288 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: doesn't happen. If you look at what they've done this season, 289 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: the Chargers are going to make life very difficult on you. 290 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: So what happens Austin Eckler fumbles, trips, fumbles, and as 291 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: Kenny was explaining afterwards, the thing is something they preach 292 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: all the time. They rep it every single week when 293 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: ball carriers are trying to get back to their feet. 294 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: If you ever wanted to look for the moment which 295 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: ball security is the last thing on their minds when 296 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: they're trying to stumble back to their feet, That's exactly 297 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: what happened with Eckler on that play. Kenny punches the 298 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: ball out. Rashan Gary gets the sack that is kind 299 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: of generated by Kenny Clark's pressure. When the game was 300 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: on the line late Packers had a little bit of 301 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: a mental lapse there where Shawn gets busted there for 302 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: the off sides on fourth and six makes it a 303 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: fourth and two, although at that point of the game 304 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: they weren't gonna run anyway, so it didn't matter. But 305 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: Kenny puts his hand up and he gets the batted ball. 306 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: That fourth quarter, with what the defense did, it allowed 307 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: them to overcome you know, a big run from Austin Eckler, 308 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: a big scramble or two from Herbert keenan Allen's production, 309 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: Smart's touchdown because they came back and they won that 310 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: turnover margin in the end. 311 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, I'll take care of some sponsor 312 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: business here West, and then we will move on to 313 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: the Lions. 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And I tell you what, West, and 323 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: this is what I said when we did our three 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: Things video for this week, which this week's Three Things 325 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: video is on Monday because instead of in the middle 326 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: of the week because the game is on Thursday. We're 327 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: all adjusting. But all you have to do to see 328 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: how tough the Lions are to beat is look at 329 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: these last two games. They gave up thirty eight points 330 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: to the LA Chargers. Justin Herbert directed five consecutive touchdown drives, 331 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: and yet the Lions still wouldn't be beat. Then they 332 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: come home against the Chicago Bears. Jared Goff throws three interceptions, 333 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: the Bears get four takeaways in all end up plus 334 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: three in the turnover margin, and the Bears have a 335 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: twelve point lead with four minutes to go in Detroit 336 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: against the division leaders, and yet the Lions would not 337 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: be beat. This is a tough bunch. And I'm telling 338 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: you the I expect the atmosphere at Ford Field on Thursday. 339 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: I can't even think of the last time that the 340 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Lions and their fans would be looking this much forward 341 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: to hosting a game on Thanksgiving. As to what's going 342 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: on this year. The atmosphere in that place is going 343 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: to be is going to be off the chart. 344 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: So obviously, I just watched a few of the highlights 345 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: from that Bears game. I didn't go back and watch 346 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: it or anything, and we obviously were doing business of 347 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: our own on Sunday. But you know what I took 348 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: away as you're watching the final couple minutes of that game, 349 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: what was the first principle that Dan Campbell wanted to 350 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: ingrain and still in that football team. It was toughness, yeah, 351 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: and it was it was the response to adversity, and 352 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: this was as good of an example as you're gonna find. 353 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Jared Goff. Jared Goff, this is 354 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: gonna happen. He's had three interception games before in his career. 355 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: He's gonna have Shoot. He started the game against Green 356 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: Bay with an interception right to Rudy Ford. But you 357 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: don't worry about how he's gonna bounce back. But to 358 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: see the way Jamior Gibbs, that young defense, Aiden Hutchinson, 359 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: they have a lot of mental toughness and one of 360 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: the things that I think Detroit had been zapped up 361 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: for many years was confidence, talent, and toughness. And this 362 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: is not going to be a cakewalk by any means, 363 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: But I will say this, I think they're going to 364 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: see a much different Packers team this second time around 365 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: than they did the first time. 366 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: I agree, I would be surprised. 367 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: You never can say never, but I'd be surprised if 368 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: green Bay fell into another seventeen zero hole or something 369 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: like that that they're trying to dig out of. But 370 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: for the Lions against that opponent to be able to 371 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: rally continue their winning streak against the NFC North while 372 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: continuing this remarkable losing streak that the Bears are on. 373 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: I just thought they showed a lot of grit and 374 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: those are the type of things that for many years, 375 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: when the lines were the pushovers, that that was not present. 376 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting. It's interesting what's going on in 377 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: Detroit because the while the fan base, While the fan 378 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: base there is fired up about everything that's going on 379 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: and rightly so, there's also there's also the lingering impatience 380 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: in that fan base because Jared Goff was getting booed. Yeah, 381 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, your team is seven and two and your 382 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: quarterbacks having a rough day and he's you know, he's 383 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: thrown the three interceptions. A seven and two team in 384 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: first place. Their guy was getting booed by the home 385 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: fans because that impatience that you know, that that worry 386 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: that you know, is there is this still maybe somehow 387 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: the same old Lions that's that's still there. Yeah, And 388 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: it came out. It came out against the Bears when 389 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: the Lions had their backs against the wall and the 390 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: fans were really nervous about that game. But you know, 391 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: it's credit. 392 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: You know what I liked it about what I likened 393 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: it to though. It's when you've had continuous car trouble 394 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: and the check engine like comes on again. Yeah, you're 395 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: immediately you may be a little low on like anti freeze. 396 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: You're thinking the whole engines done. I mean seriously, though, 397 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: the Lions. This is the first time like since like 398 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: the early sixties. The Lions are eight and two. 399 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, first the first time since the Fords have owned 400 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: the team, and they have owned the team for roughly 401 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: sixty years. 402 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: And you know what happened in nineteen sixty two. They 403 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: missed the freaking playoffs that year when they started eight 404 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: and two. Nowdy, they weren't as many playoff spots. They 405 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: still won eleven games with theydn't make the Plus, this 406 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: fan base has been beaten into the ground over and 407 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 2: over and over again. I'm usually not one for booing 408 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: your team ever, but I like that you use the 409 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: word patients because they have been patient. But boy, I'll 410 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: tell you what now, man, they want to eat? 411 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, I want to get your thoughts on 412 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: what you think the Packers keys to victory are in 413 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: this game for me. For me, I look at three 414 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: things that are at the top of my there's a 415 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: long list that the Packers need to execute to pull 416 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: off in order to get this victory. But the three 417 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: at the top of my list. Number one is to 418 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: stop the run. Number two is to somehow contain Aiden Hutchinson. 419 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: And the reason those are the top the two things 420 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: at the top of my list is because those are 421 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: the two things I believe were the biggest reason, the 422 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: two biggest things the Packers couldn't do the first time 423 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: they faced the Lions on that Thursday night game back 424 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: in September. The Lions had that ended up with the 425 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: two hundred plus yards rushing and Aiden Hutchinson just set 426 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: the tone defensively, allowing that Lion's defensive front to do 427 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: whatever it wanted to do because the Packers didn't have 428 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: an answer for Hutchinson. So those are the two things 429 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: at the top of my list. And then the other 430 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: thing was in reference to something I just mentioned. Packers 431 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: are gonna have to handle the environment in this game, 432 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: because the Packers have gone on the road, you know, 433 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: to Atlanta and to Vegas and Denver, and there have 434 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: been there's been a decent contingent of Packers fans. It's 435 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, hasn't really been a quote unquote true road 436 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: game anywhere that the Packers have been this year. Quite frankly, 437 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: even even Week one, we've certainly seen games at Soldier 438 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: Field with more Packers fans than there were in Week one. 439 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: But this one Thanksgiving in Detroit with the Lions in 440 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: first place playing the Packers, I don't think there's gonna 441 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: be a lot of Green Bay fans there. And this 442 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: is gonna this is going to be an environment where 443 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: the crowd is going to have an influence on things 444 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: and the Packers are gonna have to handle, you know, 445 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: the the momentum swings and what's gonna happen out there, 446 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: because because this is gonna be a true road game. 447 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: For I don't think Lions fans are as fair weather 448 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: as the Bears in that that Bears atmosphere in the 449 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: first quarter was fantastic. Yeah, one, it was very difficult. Unfortunately, 450 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: their team got off to a really slow start and 451 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: everybody bailed. They were all heading for the train after 452 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: like the halftime. 453 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to grab their hot dog and go home. 454 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: Go home. I don't think that's gonna happen with the Lions. 455 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: But that being said, I think there's a lot of Green. 456 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: They can learn from the way they started that game 457 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 2: against the Bears, and they really need to take that 458 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 2: same blueprint that the Lions used against them at Lambefield 459 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: and try to turn it back against them. The Bears 460 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: got three interceptions of Jared Goff. They got three freaking 461 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: points out of it. They punted twice, No, they punted 462 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: once and then fumbled the next one. Then they finally 463 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: got a Santos field goal. 464 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: They got a fumble recovery off of a I believe 465 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: a kickoff returner or a punt return as well. There 466 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: was a turnover on special teams, four takeaways in all 467 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: by the Bears. They were plus three in the game, 468 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: and they still couldn't figure out a way to win it. 469 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: Because they didn't get the points. Yea, the Packers have 470 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: to get the points. Even in that game against the Lions, 471 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: weren't able to get all the points from that turnover 472 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: with Rudy, I just look at this game in terms 473 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: of what you said, doing everything, basically taking all the 474 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: lessons you learned in that first game against the Lions 475 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: in implementing them. You have to stop the run. The 476 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: Packers cannot give up two hundred rushing yards in this game, 477 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: especially with the way that Jamior Gibbs is running. Now, 478 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: that first game, it was all the. 479 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Dyeam, it was all Montgomery. 480 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think David Montgomer's getting thirty two carries in 481 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: this game? Ah nah, I mean like Jamior Gibbs is 482 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: going to give you fits too, Sam Laporta, I'm and 483 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: Ross Saint Brown has been a constant thorn in the 484 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: Packer's side. We'll see what happens here with Jai r 485 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: If he potentially could be back for this one, that 486 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: would be an amazing, amazing addition for this team. But 487 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Mike, when you're this beat up 488 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: and you're playing on a short week, it was one 489 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: of my points I made an inbox sometimes you just 490 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: got to run the football. Just roll the football out 491 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: there and see what happens. Packers will have a plan. 492 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: It'll be a good plan. But there's not a lot 493 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: of rhyme or reason to these Thursday games, especially Thursday 494 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: morning game. 495 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you gotta you just see you're right, recheck 496 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: the football, you're right. You got to you gotta show 497 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: up and play. And with regard to the Packers injury, situation. 498 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: They're hoping, you know, maybe you can get jy R. 499 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Alexander back. He ended up missing the Chargers game. You 500 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: saw two running backs go down, Aaron Jones Emmanuel Wilson 501 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: both go down with injuries against the Chargers. The good 502 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: news is it sounds like at least the preliminary thoughts 503 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: were that Aaron Jones did not suffer a significant injury. 504 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: But I certainly don't expect to see him suiting up 505 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: on Thursday in Detroit after what happened with his knee. 506 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson, we haven't at this point, we haven't really 507 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: heard many updates yet, but he injured his shoulder. So 508 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: the Packers down to just aj Dillon and now have 509 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: they've signed Patrick Taylor. They brought him back for running 510 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: back depth, and also brought back James Robinson on the 511 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: practice squad who had spent some time on the practice 512 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: squad earlier this season. So the Packers trying to fortify 513 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: the running back situation due to the injuries. But other 514 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: stuff cropped up in the Chargers game too, Dantavian Wix 515 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: being evaluated for a concussion. I saw Luke Muskrave popped 516 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: up on the injury abdomen. The Packers' list of injuries 517 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: here is long, and there's you know, quite frankly, it 518 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: will in a lot of ways probably be right up 519 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: until ninety minutes before kickoff when that inactive list gets 520 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: turned in that we'll find out exactly who's going to 521 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: be available for Green Bay. Because you're not making those 522 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: decisions on a Tuesday after you played on Sunday. You're 523 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: gonna give these guys you know, up until you know, 524 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: as long as you can to say hey, can you 525 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: suit up or not? And then the Packers are gonna 526 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: roll with what they've got. 527 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: I will be very curious to see what that elevation 528 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: list looks like on Wednesday. Though. Now if you elevate 529 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: a guy doesn't mean you have to play them. You 530 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: can still have them in active. Still uses their elevation, 531 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: but you can have them in active. Yeah, I'll be 532 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: curious see how many of those they use. You know, 533 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: I wonder a guy like James Robinson they have another 534 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: back on the practice squad. But one of the lines 535 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: that really stood out to me from what Ben Sermon 536 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: said before Robinson was released the first time the Packers 537 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 2: running back coach Sermons was that he felt confident enough 538 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: that if Robinson had to play in a game, he 539 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: was where he needed to be to play. Guy's been here, 540 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: done that thousand yard rusher in the National Football League. 541 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: If Jones and Emanuel Wilson aren't there, they're going to 542 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: need a third running back, especially considering Josiah Deguara, who 543 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur pointed this out to Larry McCarron after the game. 544 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about this when the Packers. Everybody's thinking, oh, 545 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: they're down to one running back when they lost Jones 546 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 2: and Wilson. Well, Josiah Deguarre is their other like HVAC, 547 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: like personal protector. If they would have needed another guy 548 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: to be in the backfield and shotgun with Geordan Love 549 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: on third down, right, they were really getting down that 550 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: depth chart. So it's that sort of thing that Green 551 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: Bay's probably need a third running back in this game 552 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: as well. All that being said, one of the things 553 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: that this team has done really well so far this 554 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: season is guys stepping up in those moments. The only 555 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: reason the Packers are where they are right now, and 556 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: the fact that they have hope going into this game 557 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: against the Lions, is the Anthony Johnson's, the Carrington Valentines, 558 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: the Jonathan Ford or Jonathan Owens. Excuse me, guys that 559 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: we're either starters in the league before or are just 560 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: your typical seventh round rookies that are just looking for 561 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: an opportunity. Those guys have been up for the challenge. 562 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. On the defensive side too, the Packers get Devondre 563 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: Campbell back. He has a pretty good game, I thought, 564 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: overall against the run versus the Chargers, but then he 565 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: gets a next stinger and goes out, and now he's 566 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: on the injury report. No idea exactly where that stands, 567 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: if he's going to be available to play on a 568 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: short week on Thursday, or if it's going to be 569 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: Isaiah McDuffie again next to Kay Walker. The other thing too, 570 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: I'll point out I didn't notice this until I watched 571 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: the film and I did my what you might have 572 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: missed with all the film clips on Kenny Clark this 573 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: week from the Chargers game. So of course, the last 574 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: play is the fourth and one batted pass by Clark. 575 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: Isaiah McDuffie was all over the tight end like Herbert 576 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: was going to try to squeeze that one in there. 577 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that ball would have gotten in 578 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: there or not, or if Herbert maybe was just gonna 579 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: be looking for, you know, for a defensive pass interference 580 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: or holding or something. McDuffie. McDuffie had the coverage on 581 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: that fourth and one, And even if Clark doesn't doesn't 582 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: bat that pass, I think there's a good chance that 583 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: that passes incomplete. So again, another young guy who's filled 584 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: in for Green Bay, and he might have to fill 585 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: in again. 586 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: On Thursday, we talked so much about how you neque 587 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: cornerbacks in this league because of the nickel and the dime. 588 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: My goodness, you need inside linebackers too. 589 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta have those guys that can cover tight ends. 590 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: And with Sam Laporta on deck, the Packers are gonna 591 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: Packers are gonna have to have a plan for a 592 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: first round draft pick at tight end who's having as 593 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: good a rookie season as any tight end has had 594 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: that we've seen in a long time. 595 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: Hey, let's have a little bit of good news. Darnell 596 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: Savage desi to return off injured reserve. I don't know 597 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: if the Greemit Packers would feel comfortable playing him without 598 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: any practice whatsoever. 599 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for the last month. 600 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: But the fact that you do have that coming back, 601 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: not only does that give you another option the secondary. 602 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: You remember when he first got injured, Jonathan Owens was 603 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: the one playing like dime cornerback. He is also one 604 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: of the options is the slot corner too. So yeah, 605 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: trying to find some options. 606 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: There, all right, Well, with that, we will call it 607 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure 608 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team and 609 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: everything from Thursday's game against the Lions at Ford Field. 610 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: We'll have it all for you on Packers dot com 611 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in. Everybody, 612 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving and we will see you next time.