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Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty. Writer rights, the latest

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Speaker 1: news and notes from the guys who covered the teams.

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Speaker 1: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul CALVICI now wait a minute, who

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Speaker 1: says there isn't major your reconstruction going on here at

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Speaker 1: Cardinals HQ? And I say that rhetorically to a degree.

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvci, Danny Serekt, Darren Urban right over your shoulders,

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Speaker 1: right through that window. Have you guys seen what's going

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Speaker 1: on out on that field, well, what's left of the

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Speaker 1: former field. And they brought in the heavy equipment. Did

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Speaker 1: they know. I haven't seen equipment like that since they

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Speaker 1: were building State Farm Stadium some fifteen to twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sad you're not gonna be able to do

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Speaker 1: you rehab right now. Paul, there's a look that's not

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Speaker 1: going to prevent me from winning the off season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's my game plan. I continue to win the off season.

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Speaker 1: Don't make me get into that. As Danny smirks over there,

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Speaker 1: do you see the headline that Egypt Egypt, speaking of flexing,

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Speaker 1: Egypt has unveiled five new tombs they found south of Cairo,

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Speaker 1: These pharaoh tombs. Okay, the latest in a series of

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Speaker 1: landmark discoveries in the area. You know who else is

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Speaker 1: doing some heavy digging the Cardinals practice field out there,

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Speaker 1: and there was also an archaeol logical find. If he will,

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Speaker 1: as our Jim on the hundred pointed out, Darren take

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Speaker 1: it from there. As the head groundskeeper, Andy Levy has

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Speaker 1: posted something I think is worth sharing here. Off. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as again, Jim hundred pointed out, it looks like it

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Speaker 1: looks like hash marks, yard marks from old practice fields

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Speaker 1: that were buried deep beneath whatever turf they've already laid down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's an actual sideline with hash marks on

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Speaker 1: it from like thirty years ago. Just well, I don't

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Speaker 1: hard it, Paul, So I can't be sure exactly when

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Speaker 1: it's from. I mean, if Egypt can unveil five ancient tombs,

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Speaker 1: then why can't the Cardinals come up with hash marks

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Speaker 1: from thirty years ago. I'm sure. I'm sure it's possible

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Speaker 1: three feet deep on the back practice field. So there

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Speaker 1: you go. You know, it's good anecdotal stuff here in

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Speaker 1: the off season. Danny smiling and conspicuous by her silence. Well,

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Speaker 1: they do that, and they do that at the Star.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the only thing missing is a drone flying

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Speaker 1: around documenting all this. That's what we need, and you

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Speaker 1: need to be in a live shot right next to

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Speaker 1: Right there is the drone flies by. I always thinking

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Speaker 1: of content, Paul, that's right, working it in something on

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Speaker 1: your By the way, Darren is back from Florida. Would

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Speaker 1: you has he ever looked better? Honestly, Danny, No, he

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Speaker 1: has not. He is perfectly sun kiss. Yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm tired is what I am working on

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Speaker 1: about five hours sleep. But that's okay. Well, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: You're nice and tan. You had a little vacation, a

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Speaker 1: family wedding. Little we missed you. I still, I still

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Speaker 1: was putting out the articles here and there. Well, the

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Speaker 1: grind don't stop, Darren. No, you should have pushed it

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Speaker 1: expense report. Because the league meetings start in Florida about

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Speaker 1: and will be in person. Yes, Unfortunately, I will not

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Speaker 1: the way, Danny, could I can I make this analogy?

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Speaker 1: if we want an expert, we should call mel Kiper, right,

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Speaker 1: missus mel kiper an expert on The Bachelor, and then

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Speaker 1: pumpkin Pie. But we'll get to that next month when

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Speaker 1: it's draft time. I bring that up just because of

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Speaker 1: That's probably true, Paul. Although we do have a signing

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I see Paul likes to go ahead

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Speaker 1: And he had a nice game against the Cardinals a

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and former Colonel Jordan Hicks is now a

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Speaker 1: thinking about trading him. There was Sunnight and eighteen million

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Speaker 1: I mean, not every year you're going to have these

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Speaker 1: how it's panned out so far this year. You're right,

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Speaker 1: would have been this situation with Jonathan mord would you know?

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Speaker 1: And what do they think internally of it? Jonathan Ward?

427
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: We don't know. All I do know is I know

428
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: there was some blowback initially when the Cardinals resigned James

429
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: Conner for three years twenty one million. It was thirteen

430
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: point five fully guaranteed. Well, Leonard Fournett's deal was almost identical.

431
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournett's deal was three years, twenty one million max

432
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: a twenty four because James Conner's deal can grow to

433
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: twenty five and a half at max value. And the

434
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: difference is James Connor's cap number this year is only

435
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: four million dollars. So I still think it was pretty

436
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: well bought. I really do James Conner, and considering he

437
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: was their number one priority from all accounts, I don't

438
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: think in today's NFL that's too much to pay for

439
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: a dynamic Pro Bowl running back who can catch out

440
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: of the backfield. As well. Who sets that tone physically

441
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: for your team is sort of the beating heart of

442
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: the offense in a lot of ways. But it's funny

443
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: because James Connor is a he's he's And by the way,

444
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Rashad Penny got over five million, like six and a

445
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: half million guaranteed on a one year deal with Seattle. Yeah,

446
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: but that's one year and they've got more money, and

447
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: here's that he's totally unproven, Rashad Penny. I guess it's

448
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: my pinal. He looked pretty good in the last once

449
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: he was healthy, he looked pretty good, especially for this team.

450
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: He was four years in the league and he gave

451
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: you two months maybe, and that's true, but he's only

452
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: getting a one year deal. I guess. Ultimately, James Connor

453
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: is the ultimate analytics versus eye test kind of guy.

454
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: Like I'm listening to you talk about him, and I agree.

455
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's important in the locker room.

456
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: I think he gives you toughness and everything. Analytics and

457
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: NFL analytics, those that area, they they're not a fan

458
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Speaker 1: of James Connor. They he produces fewer yards per carry

459
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: than expected a lot of the time, and uh, It's

460
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Speaker 1: just that's not the kind of player that that area

461
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Speaker 1: usually reward. And I think that's where a lot of

462
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: the people talking about a salary come in. I mean,

463
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: doesn't he rate real high though on yards after contact?

464
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: Yards after initial contact and James Connor rate real high.

465
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: I'd have to look at that. I don't fence his

466
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: value on short yardage and red zone I don't remember.

467
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean I only saw the expected yards type stuff

468
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: and you know, canny repeat that kind of is he

469
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: going to score that many touchdowns? Is that repeatable run? Well?

470
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: And this goes back to the beginning of It might

471
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: not seem like a big splash signing because they were

472
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: on the team already or before, but James Connor and

473
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: zach Ertz, those are still two big signings because when

474
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Speaker 1: everybody else was a pending free agent, they would not

475
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Speaker 1: have had anybody in the room signing zach Ertz and

476
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Speaker 1: then later Max Williams as well, like those are still

477
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: big signings for two players who were productive last year

478
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: and not even playing a full season, but in the

479
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: games they played and reliable and Kyler Murray liked playing

480
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: with them. So even though it might not seem like

481
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Speaker 1: a huge, crazy signing. Zach Ertz and James Connor. We're

482
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: still two very important free agent signings for this team.

483
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of Kyler, Colt McCoy did a press conference this

484
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: week after he got his two year deal done. Any

485
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: takeaways from that guy's After listening to Colt McCoy and

486
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: just you know, what stood out to me was just

487
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: the fit with Cliff Kingsbury. How many times he cited

488
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: that he sees offense the same way Kingsbury sees offense

489
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: and the tool you know, and to me just watching

490
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: him and then knowing what we've known in the past

491
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: with a Kurt Warner and a Carson Palmer and some

492
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: of the other veteran guys are really de facto offensive

493
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: coordinators in a lot of ways. When you have almost

494
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: fifteen years in the league and you know all the

495
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators and the schemes, and they're so valuable, so

496
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: much more valuable, I think than we'll ever realize behind

497
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: the scenes in the meeting rooms trying to generate the

498
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: weekly game plans, and then the tutelage of Kyler Murray,

499
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: and then the respect that he inherently has from Kyler

500
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Speaker 1: just because he was a four year starter for the

501
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: Longhorns and Kyler grew up watching him. Yeah, Cold had

502
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot of really interesting things to say. He had

503
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of praise for Kyler and how after only

504
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: three years in the league, his arrow was just pointing

505
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: straight up, and how his work ethic, Kyler's work ethic

506
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: sets the tone for the rest of this team in

507
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 1: the locker room and working on and off the field,

508
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: and that everybody has the same goals. And Colt was

509
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: talking about how, you know, they obviously didn't end the

510
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: season the way they wanted to, and he's been in

511
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: contact with Kyler Murray throughout the off season on what

512
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: they want to be working on. Colt had praises for

513
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: Cam Turner, the quarterbacks coach. He just seemed he kept

514
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: using the word thankful, thankful about being back in Arizona

515
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: with this staff and with Kyler Murray and having more

516
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: of that stability with his family. I thought it was interesting.

517
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Speaker 1: It stood out to me he is one to oh

518
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: as his daughter soccer coach, and he said he needs

519
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: to learn the rules because they didn't have soccer where

520
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: he grew up, and that he is teaching them. What

521
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: was it attitude and effort. Wait a minute, where'd he

522
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: grow up? That's what he said. I'm like, like, I

523
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. I mean, he just says

524
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Speaker 1: he has to. Maybe he just didn't play. He grew

525
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: up on football game, right, I would imagine, and he

526
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: probably just grew up on football. I think every every

527
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: every person that played on his high school's soccer team

528
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: is pissed off at him right now. He grew up

529
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: in the absolute heart of Friday night lights country. That's

530
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: where he grew up. He's like a real life ted Lasso. Honestly,

531
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't even know the rules, but it's all about

532
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: attitude and effort. He's just out there coaching, coaching his

533
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: tail off. That's the question I wanted to ask, and

534
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: I have the guts to ask h And by the way,

535
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: he didn't answer the question. I did ask about the

536
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: latter part of last season and what exactly his diagnosis

537
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: was as to what went wrong. He ducked that, so

538
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: you're nodding he he did. He just And it's what

539
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: we heard really all season last year at that time

540
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: was if there were only one thing, we would change it,

541
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: and it was just it's more than one thing. We're

542
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: working through. And that's kind kind of what he gave you, Paul,

543
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: that it is what he gave you. Yeah, I'm ready

544
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: to reenact. I'm ready to re enact Tom Cruise. First

545
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: of all, you just said I want the answers. No,

546
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I want that, I want the truth. You just said.

547
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: He was fifteen years in the league. He's not a cookie.

548
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Someone tells me, someone tells me, they know exactly what happened,

549
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: and it's probably it probably is a number of things,

550
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: but it's probably a main couple of things that nobody's

551
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna say. So that's fine, Okay, so let's go there.

552
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: Oh so you want us to blow everything up? No?

553
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: Is that why there has been a slower than expected

554
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: pace to free agency Because the fix isn't necessarily out

555
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: on the open market. The fix isn't in bringing in

556
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: new expensive players. The fix is within you. Maybe not personnel, right,

557
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: The change is within you, empowering yourself. I feel like

558
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: one of these motivational speakers, right, maybe they've identified something

559
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: internally that is the biggest adjustment from one season to

560
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: the next. That winning the off season isn't about signing

561
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: on the line that is dotted and spending frivolously in

562
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: free agency and jacking up your cap for years to come. No,

563
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: we've identified what's wrong. We know what's wrong. You're on

564
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: a need to know basis when it comes to what's wrong.

565
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: But just wait because change and answers will be implemented

566
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: by September. I mean, that's a really interesting perspective on that,

567
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: and looking at the amount of players they have resigned

568
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: in Dennis Gardeck and you know, Michael Dogg being these

569
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: other players that were free agents. The only thing is,

570
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: even if that was your thought process at the start

571
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: of free agency, how true is that now that you

572
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: no longer have your top pass rusher, and you no

573
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: longer have a second true number two wide receiver, and

574
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, don't really have a right guard at the moment.

575
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: So while I'm not saying that perspective is wrong or

576
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't, you know, couldn't be the reason. My only

577
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: issue is, even if that's what you thought, that's no

578
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: longer where you really find yourself in the moment. I

579
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: would agree with that, and I'm it's already be a downer.

580
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, if Darren's agreeing, it doesn't really have anything

581
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: else to add that means I was a real I

582
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: just I just feel like, you know, it's good to

583
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: be able to say we have some things that we

584
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: can fix and not alone will make some things better,

585
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: but you still have to have the players to execute it.

586
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: And if you were the twenty twenty one Tampa Bay

587
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: Buccaneers and you were bringing everybody back, then maybe you

588
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: can make that argument. But the problem right now is

589
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: they do have holes and there isn't right now a

590
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: path at least that we can see outwardly to fill

591
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: those holes. You know, again, we still have lots of

592
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: time for players out there to sign, and you still

593
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: have the draft. The thing about players that sign now,

594
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: for the most part, is they're out there still for

595
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: a reason. People aren't clamoring for them, and you're not.

596
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: They're asking for more money than you think they're worth,

597
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: and that those are those reasons and there aren't. There

598
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: are in some intriguing players out there still that are

599
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: unsigned that would make some sense, but are you going

600
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: to be able to get them or and maybe they

601
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: make sense to us and then they've all done their

602
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: due diligence upstairs and they're like, yeah, it's like the

603
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: MBS thing that I was talking about earlier, a receiver.

604
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they took a look at him, like, yeah,

605
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit what we want to do at all

606
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: because of A, B and C. Then they're not you know,

607
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: they don't know. And I have read some Skyder reports

608
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Marquez Belta's scandling that said he's kind of a one

609
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: trick pony. He's that nine route guy. He's got size,

610
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: but he doesn't really have the route tree, and you know,

611
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: it can be a little predictable. And and because of that,

612
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: dbs don't necessarily have to respect a lot of different

613
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: routes and moves, and they're just basically looking over the

614
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: top stuff. But at this point, if you have Hopkins,

615
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: and you have Rondel Moore, and you have zach Ertz,

616
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: maybe all you need is a guy going deep and say,

617
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: all right, if they're gonna have you one on one,

618
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: you better win the ball up there. And I don't know.

619
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: You just got back from Jacksonville, right, Darren. I did

620
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: beautiful Saint Augustine, Florida. Here's Bucky Brooks. I couldn't pace

621
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: of this little blur. He's talking about Doug Peterson and

622
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: what Doug Peterson is going to bring to the Jaguars.

623
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: And obviously they spend all that money on receivers, including

624
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk and he cited and I quote Doug Peterson

625
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with Nelson Agilore, Al Shan, Jeffrey,

626
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Torry Smith and zach Ertz positioning key roles on the perimeter.

627
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: Think about that, dot dot dot. I just bring that

628
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: up because you know you have DeAndre Hopkins, you have

629
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: a Rondel Moore who you hope takes that next step.

630
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: We'll see in what sort of role can you add

631
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: a couple of guys just a couple of guys and

632
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: throw them out there and then scheme it up. Because

633
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: you have Kyler Murray and that pairs with free agency,

634
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: There's only so many top pass rushers or very top

635
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: wide receivers or whatever position you're looking for that are available.

636
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: So it's exciting when your team gets one of those.

637
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: But it's unrealistic to think that's going to happen every year.

638
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: And when you're looking at this offense and you have

639
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and you have d hop and you have

640
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: zach Ertz, I mean that that alone is you're just

641
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: going at some point when you get down to it,

642
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: the positions, you're going to have to have players that

643
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: are not the top tier in their position group, but

644
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: they might be a right fit for the scheme. And

645
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: it's just about being a role player and just playing

646
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: your part and having all of those pieces work out

647
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: well together. Well, here's wolf on the big red rage.

648
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Hit me over the head with this one. This is

649
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: on the verge of them signing James Connor and zach

650
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: Ertz and then Max Williams. He said, well, what does

651
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: that tell you, Paul Pencilneck, what does that tell you?

652
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: And I said, they're going to run a lot more

653
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: twelve personnel ding. Look at why they went seven and oh,

654
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: look at why they went ten and two. What were

655
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: they doing over that stretch? They were a physical, balanced

656
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: offense and when they especially when they had Max Williams

657
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: man where they running the ball in a physical, straight

658
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: ahead fashion, keeping defenses on us because he was also

659
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: effective in the passing game going down the seams. Now

660
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: you have two tight ends. Obviously Zaccurts is more of

661
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: a receiver first sort of tight end, but with those

662
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: two guys in the full plus a DeAndre Hopkins in

663
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: a James Connor Bear's the core of your offense. You

664
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: can sprinkle in talent around those guys if rondel Moore

665
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: is able to keep a defense honest, either over the

666
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: top or laterally great. Like for instance, I had my

667
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: Annah Jamison Crowder who just signed with the Bills. I

668
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: think it was one year, four million dollars. I'm like, man,

669
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: that would have been that would have been feasible, That

670
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: would have been doable, bringing a Jamison Crowder as a

671
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: slot guy that you could you know, plug in. So

672
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: whether there's still that sort of signing to come, whether

673
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: you're going to get a receiver in the first two rounds.

674
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: It's a pretty deep class and that guy's gonna, you know,

675
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: eventually be part of your offense. Maybe maybe the hesitation

676
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: or the lack of a veteran receiver sign is a tell.

677
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: Maybe it's foreshadow and what sort of offense this is

678
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna be and who it's going to feature this coming season,

679
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: which I thought was a plausible point. I'm gonna I'm

680
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna wait to judge that until after I see what

681
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: the roster looks like. I mean, you're, to me, that's

682
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: making the assumption that this is you're not adding any

683
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: more key pieces, meaning you need to see the second

684
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: wave of ree. I need to see the second wave

685
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: of fore you see, I don't need to see the draft.

686
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know, especially you Paul, believe that the

687
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: rookies are worthless and can't play right away. But I wanna. Okay,

688
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: maybe that's a little hyperbolic. And see now people are

689
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: gonna start hitting me over the head with Justin Jefferson

690
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase and all that, and I get it,

691
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: I get it, but those guys are like unicorns. They

692
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: have been the exception, and you're not gonna get to

693
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: your point, Darren. You're very your own point. I'm throwing

694
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: it right back at you. What are the odds you

695
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: get that guy at twenty four? Very very possible that

696
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen that way. But I would also quibble

697
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: with the term unicorns, because unicorn would be one and

698
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: you just mentioned two in one breath, so then they're

699
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: not that ouch. But anyways, I thought coming off vacation

700
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be such a stickler. Gone up. I really need

701
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: more sleep, is what I need right now. I'm struggling

702
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: right now. I feel like wolf back in the day.

703
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: Um I will say that I agree that they need

704
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: I think they need another receiver out there. I do

705
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: think there's a chance that they could be a little

706
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: bit more physical. But again, one of the things I'm

707
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: hung up on right now, and and you know you

708
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: got one of those two guys that you just got through.

709
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: What Wolf is saying, I guess is we're we're we're

710
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna build our offense around is coming off an ACL

711
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: tear and hasn't even been on the field to do

712
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: anything yet. How about we wait to see if he's

713
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: even capable of doing anything before we say we're going

714
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: to overhaul the offense. I don't know. The Niners are

715
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: trying to trade Jimmy. I R Jimmy G and he

716
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: just had shoulder surgery like three weeks ago, and they

717
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: want two first round picks. It might have missed their

718
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: window on that. If they can, if they can want

719
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: the world for Jimmy, then we can pencil and Max

720
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Williams in September, Darren. I but I also think I'm

721
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: feeling the way you look at and look every person,

722
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: every injury, every rehab, I understand is different. But I

723
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: think too, when you look at the timeline of what

724
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: is generally realistic in a rehab schedule. I don't think

725
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: it is outrageous for Paul. I'm going to defend you

726
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: to assume that Max Williams will be ready to go

727
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: and the beginning of the season. I'm I see what

728
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: you're saying. Time wise, you're right, but everyone is different.

729
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: I understand that. I don't. But I don't have a

730
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: problem with the signing, is what I'm saying. Well, I

731
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with the signing, especially for what

732
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: they got. From what I'm just saying, before you start

733
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: assuming that you can build your offerens are on these

734
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: two tight ends, you got to make sure you have

735
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the two tight Look, I am trying to be realistic.

736
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: For example, I did not pencil in Dennis Gardeck in

737
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: September last year because you suffered that ACL in week fifteen. Yeah,

738
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Max Williams was week five. That's true. So that's the

739
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: only thing I'm saying. But you're right if he doesn't

740
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: play a lot in August, if at all, I wouldn't

741
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: be shocked because of that, and they'll probably be super cautious.

742
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, when somebody what's the old line

743
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: you know from I think it was built parcels back

744
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: in the day. When a player shows you who they are,

745
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: believe them. So if we're trying to read what the

746
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to be about in twenty twenty two,

747
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: maybe we need to believe it what we're seeing. That's all. Now,

748
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: there might be this whole florious signings in the second

749
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: wave once prices come down and a lot of these

750
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: players get a reality check and their agents do. That's

751
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: quite possible and feasible, sure, no doubt about it. But

752
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: if this is going to be the gist of your

753
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: offseason free agent initiative, then I think it is telling

754
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: as to what you envision yourself as. And once again

755
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: I get back to the million dollar question. What did

756
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals determine and diagnose based on losing five out

757
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: of the last six. What internally did they say, Okay,

758
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: guess what, here's what we just learned the hard way,

759
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: filling the blank and whatever that is. Perhaps it's we're

760
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: going to come off the ball in a more physical

761
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: fashion and we're gonna go back to what we did

762
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: in that big Week four win against the Rams where

763
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: he absolutely Jack stopped La forty rushes for two hundred

764
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: and sixteen rushing yards as a team. I don't know.

765
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a legitimate question to consider, though, I

766
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 1: guess is my point. We'll see if one day someone

767
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: answers you with that one Thing's right. I'm gonna keep

768
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: asking the question at every stinking zoom breast conference and

769
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: see if anybody bites on it whatsoever. You're right, it's uh,

770
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: but look um. Then again, the other thing that Cole

771
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: McCoy brought up, by the way, was the schedule, and

772
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: and when Deshaun Watson this time last week was poised

773
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: to either go to the Falcons or the Saints, I mean,

774
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: did you not swallow hard looking at the Cardinal schedule

775
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: for next year? DeShawn Watson and that whole insanity of Eggan,

776
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: him getting two hundred and thirty million guaranteed eighty more

777
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: guaranteed million dollars and any other players got in league history,

778
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: all that in him going to the Browns. At least

779
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: it means he won't be facing the Cardinals this year

780
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: because otherwise, look at the Cardinal schedule, And once again

781
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: Cole McCoy brought this up. How can you not look

782
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: at the Cardinal schedule and say, wow. I mean I've

783
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: got the last place Seahawks down for a couple of wins.

784
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I've got the floundering Falcons down. Maybe we'll see or

785
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: maybe they go after Malik Willis who just threw himself,

786
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, eighty yard pass in his pro day. That pass,

787
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, hey, and work for Josh Allen once upon

788
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: a time got him drafted in the top ten too.

789
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: That's true. So um, But I mean, you look at

790
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: this schedule and I mean you picked the wrong year

791
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: to play the AFC West, did you not? And that's

792
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: the entire NFC West. If you told me right now

793
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: the division winner the NFC West had ten wins, I

794
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: would not be shocked just based on what the caliber

795
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: the competition that the entire our Cardinals division has to

796
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: play this year and the other teams they have to

797
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: go against. In fact, I'll say this as well, for

798
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: a division that had both of its teams in the

799
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game, whoever comes out as a division champion

800
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: in the NFCUS in twenty twenty two is gonna be

801
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: playoff ready, bub, I mean no doubt, got do you

802
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: have the opponents there? I have the opponents right, here. Well,

803
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: let's go over there. Well, let's hear the quarterback. So

804
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: where do they gotta go against? So here we go.

805
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: Here's the home schedule. Okay, here's the home a non

806
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: conference schedule. Well, first of all, you have the forty

807
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: nine ers. Is it gonna be Trey Lance for the

808
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: second straight here? Okay? Uh? Seahawks? Who knows? It? Could

809
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: be Baker Mayfield, could be Malik Willis, Drew Locke. Why

810
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: are you laughing? He's their quarterback right now? Laugh? I

811
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: forgot about the the default setting that is the alma

812
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: mater of Miszoo Rams. Matthew Stafford just got a honking

813
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: huge extension. We'll get into that in implications for Kyler. Uh,

814
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: guess who's coming to town, Tommy. The Buccaneers are coming

815
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. You should you should sprinkle into his ear? Hey,

816
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco, San Francisco. I don't have to do that,

817
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: Believe me, it's it's echoing in his mind at this

818
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: very moment. I'm sure it is. Why do you think

819
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers are asking for an absolute If you want

820
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: to buy season tickets for twenty two, you also have

821
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: to buy season tickets for twenty three because they know

822
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: they know where he's going. The Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes

823
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: everybody come into State Farm Stadium, The Chargers in Justin

824
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Herbert come into State Farm Stadium. The playoff Eagles, right

825
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts coming to State Farm Stadium. And then

826
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: the ten win Patriots are come into town and Bill

827
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: Belichick and then you also have the Saints with Jamis Winston.

828
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: That's your home schedule. Now on the road, you get

829
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: the Niners, the Seahawks, the Rams, you get the Falcons,

830
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: as mentioned Farcas Marina, right. I mean, look, any sort

831
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: of griping and grousing about your team's offseason carey you

832
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: are does not compare to the disaster that is the

833
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Off season's gonna take a tight end in

834
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts and then the next year, I mean, I

835
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: mean talk about putting the l into atl I mean, Falcons,

836
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: what are you doing taking the forty million dollar dead

837
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: money cap hit, getting only a third round pick in

838
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: return and then anything and it's time to just clear

839
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: the books and lose out and then give a big

840
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: money deal to Marcus Mariota, who's a career backup. Kenny

841
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: the Panthers. You're going to Carolina if you're the Cardinals,

842
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Here's the thing, though, here's the problem. You've

843
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: lost six in a row to Carolina. But the last

844
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: one last year was not Darnold, that was Cam Newton

845
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: and p J. Walker. You're right, Cole McCoy. Cole McCoy, Yeah,

846
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: the bigger problem was there. That was one of those

847
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: two or three games where the Cardinals didn't show up.

848
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: They showed out with no pulse. Detroit Carolina. Uh, guess

849
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: what You're going to Denver, Russell Wilson, You're going to

850
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. You're getting Derek car Davante Adams, Chandler Jones,

851
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Max Crosby, and you're going to Minnesota, which has reloaded

852
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: with a pair of dynamic pass rushers now Daniel Hunter

853
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: and Zadarius Smith. You want to know about Daniel Hunter,

854
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: go asked j Humphreys and they'll tell you how good

855
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: that guy is. And then Kirk Cousins, who took the

856
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: Cardinals obviously down to the wire in Week two last year.

857
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: So it is a heck of a schedule. And when

858
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: Cole McCoy brought it up, it's something we were talking

859
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: about on the Big Red Rage. Yeah. I mean, if

860
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: if you really step back into look at it now,

861
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be fun. I mean there's every game

862
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: just about is gonna be fun. As an announcer talking

863
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: down there. Yeah. Yeah. I think the AFC West has

864
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: taken the title so far without the season starting, I

865
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: will say it has taken it from the NFC West

866
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: as got traded. That was the that was the change.

867
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, right now you've got you've got half of

868
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: the half. The NFC West has giant question marks at quarterback,

869
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think that. I mean, if

870
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: Derek Carr's your worst quarterback in your division, they clearly

871
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: have a much better group right now. In fact, I

872
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: only half joked on Twitter at Paul KELBC that the

873
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: AFC West needs its own media rights deal. They need

874
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: to split off and get their own channel like the

875
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: SEC network. What do you think about that, Danny, I'd

876
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: be down for that. Sure, that's what they should just do.

877
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: Like Hard Knocks, it's just AFC West, you know, just

878
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: don't leave us to be the host of that channel. Okay, Danny,

879
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, once again, Mahomes, I'm glad

880
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad the Cardinals are not in the AFC right now.

881
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: That is not the place to be the next couple

882
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: of years. In fact, other than the Rams. Okay, we'll

883
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: just go ahead, We'll leave the Rams in. Is the

884
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, the defending Super Bowl champions? Okay, who's the

885
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: next team to be in the NFC? Is it automatically

886
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: tom Brady and the Buccaneers? Are you going with Dallas?

887
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Are you going with the Cardinals to start at tendant two?

888
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, where what is your power poll here in

889
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: mid March for the NFC, Darren Go? I mean for

890
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: the NFC, I think until the Ras, the Rams are

891
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: the defending champs, and I think they deserve to be

892
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: in that conversation, I think as long as and I

893
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: know it doesn't work in the playoffs necessarily, but as

894
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: long as Aaron Rodgers is playing for the Packers, I

895
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: think they have a chance to be a good team.

896
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay. You're right,

897
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: and I do think the the Bucks have some issues

898
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: in terms of injuries right now, and as great as

899
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is, again, the issue you have with somebody

900
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: at that age is at some point it's gonna fall

901
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: apart for him? Is it going to be Peyton Manning?

902
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Where I think the last year he played in twenty

903
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: fifteen when they won the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning was

904
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: pretty good the first two three games and then he

905
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: just fell off a cliff could have happened during a season. Now,

906
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: maybe it won't happen for Tom Brady. I don't know. Obviously,

907
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger lost it at some point. It's gonna go,

908
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: so you know, you just you don't know about that.

909
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I guess, which could be the same for Aaron Rodgers.

910
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think the forty nine ers have

911
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: a really good team, but they have such a gigantic

912
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: question of quarterback. I'm not convinced that he's going to

913
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: be able to step in and do even what Jimmy

914
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo did. Yeah, I think Green Bay for sure

915
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: is on that list. I would put them above Tampa.

916
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: You mentioned Dallas from the moves they've made, I don't

917
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: know that Dallas has necessarily gotten any more dangerous than

918
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: they were last year with some of their losses and

919
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: free agencies. So I don't know that as of right

920
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: now they would be at the top of my list.

921
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: And once again getting back to the divisions, I mean,

922
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers are gonna cruise through the NFC South, not

923
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: absolute Kike walk Dallas in the NFC East, you never know,

924
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: that's that's a dumpster fire every year. I mean, Philly

925
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: might give him a run. Maybe, you know, Washington already

926
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: has buyer's remorse how much they went and spent to

927
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: get Carson Wentz. And then you have Green Bay coming

928
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: out of the NFC North. I mean, you know what

929
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: the vikings. Okay, we'll see what the vikings are all about.

930
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: But you still have the Lions and a young quarterback

931
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: with Justin Fields, and a new coaching staff again with

932
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: the Bears. So once again the division champion of the

933
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: NFC West. You can't tell me isn't going to be

934
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: more playoff ready in twenty twenty two than any other

935
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: division in the NFC. I think that's a fair fair

936
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: statement to make at this point in the year. Absolutely,

937
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: just like the Niners and the Rams represented the NFC

938
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: West in the NFC Championship Game. So that was a

939
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: little blurb on the schedule I thought was worth noting

940
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: over there. Now speaking of quarterbacks and speaking to the Niners.

941
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Niner fans are up in arms right now because they

942
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: feel like John Lynch waited too long on Jimmy g

943
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: was trying to get too much and now he's going

944
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: to get jacked to the squad. Then maybe the Browns

945
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: are in the same situation with Baker Mayfield. All funny

946
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: when you leak that we want an adult at quarterback. Oh,

947
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: it might devalue the quarterback. Now you're trying to move

948
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: them on the open market and you're not getting maybe

949
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: as much in return as you thought. So we'll see

950
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: exactly what the Browns get for Baker Mayfield both. The

951
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: problem that are both of those situations is is if

952
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm a team right now, why why would I give

953
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: up anything? And more importantly, why would it give up

954
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: anything to pay Baker Mayfield eighteen million dollars or pay

955
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo twenty four million dollars? Why would you do that?

956
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody's trading unless they want him as a backup.

957
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: And you know that Baker and Jimmy Garoppolo want to

958
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: go places where they can start. There's only so many

959
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: of those places. I'm not why would you give up anything?

960
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, in hindsight, the fact the Arizona Cardinals

961
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: got a second round pick for Josh Rosen after they

962
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: already had Kyler Murray stunning And maybe the only reason

963
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: was because he was still on a rookie contract, maybe,

964
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: just maybe, and they had already paid the signing bonus

965
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: right of ten million dollars, so the price was right

966
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: in terms of dollars in the cap hit. But like,

967
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: but the fact they got a two for Josh Rosen crazy.

968
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: He won't be in the league this year. The Baker

969
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Mayfield apparently doesn't want to play for the Panthers, and

970
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: apparently the Panthers don't want him. So what are we

971
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: talking about for Baker Mayfield. We're talking Houston, who could

972
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: have asked for him to be included in the trade

973
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: and wasn't. Or what Seattle like if Pittsburgh, I guess Pittsburgh.

974
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Baker Mayfield in Pittsburgh? Oh my god,

975
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: here's the thing home this Okay, Now, I might take

976
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: a beating on this one. Eighteen million on Baker Mayfield. Okay,

977
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: we can debate that butt. Baker Mayfield, when the world

978
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: is against him, has delivered in his career. He loves it,

979
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: loves to be doubted. Right, He's the ultimate underdog. He's

980
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: the non scholarship guy who went and played for Cliff

981
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: Kingsbury correct and then transferred obviously to Oklahoma against all

982
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: those marquee recruits, including Kyler Murray, and he stayed an

983
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: extra year and beat out Kyler and then's ended up

984
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: winning the Heisman. And he's the number one pick in

985
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: the draft. If there's one guy on a one year

986
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: deal that I might just roll the dice on to

987
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: see what he gives you. Because when he's ruled, he

988
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: locked in and it's him against the world. Baker Mayfield

989
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: has played some pretty good ball in those situations. Okay,

990
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: but again I'm this is incredibly h baring of any

991
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: emotion and or player feelings and or humanity. Um, but

992
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: the following comment lacks any humanity whatsoever. Right, why would

993
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: you pay him eighteen million dollars for that? He'll he'll

994
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: still have to do that because he's got to play

995
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: for a new contract. Try and get him for eight

996
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: How how much how much of the problems people have

997
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: with Baker as a player are from him personal like

998
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: who he is as a player and how much do

999
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: we think those problems stem from just being in Cleveland. Well,

1000
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: he had a lot of talent around him in Cleveland, right,

1001
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: Look what they did in the twenty twenty playoffs. Definitely

1002
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: the last problem. The problem was he was hurt a

1003
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of this year, was trying to play through it.

1004
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't a good situation. Obviously, the Beckham stuff blew

1005
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: up um and that's hard, you know, And that's hard. Yeah,

1006
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: he just holding onto the ball too long. Remember that

1007
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: was a game Chandler missed. And remember his comment after

1008
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: the game was, oh, man, when I saw how long

1009
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was holding onto the ball, I could have

1010
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: had another five sack game. And he just that was

1011
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: the one game the Chandler missed that. He just wished

1012
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: he would have been out there. But even in that game,

1013
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: and look the fans were booing him. It was an

1014
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: ugly scene in Cleveland. I get it. But remember he

1015
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: launched that ball right before halftime. He was the hail

1016
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Mary and even Vance Joseph said after the game, I

1017
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: did not think he had that arm. I did not

1018
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: think he could unleash. That's so, you know, Darren, you're ripman.

1019
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: Malik willis here and you know, and in the big

1020
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: throw at the end of his pro day. But you know, boom,

1021
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: there was an application where it came in, I gotta

1022
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: throw the Hail Mary at the end of the first half.

1023
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: I'm not said that Baker doesn't land somewhere quite yet.

1024
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: That's that's just my thought. Like I still think there's

1025
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: a chance he lands somewhere as a starter. O. But

1026
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: let's go back to Landlin. Let me ask you this thought,

1027
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: which team who's trading for him? That you're right, absolutely,

1028
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what Cleveland could get. It was a

1029
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: very interesting how Baker asked for a trade and then

1030
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: they said no, and then they got to Shaun Watson

1031
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: and now what are you going to get? So I

1032
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: don't know, you're not gonna get anything for him, right?

1033
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: I agree? Again, more importantly, if I am a GM

1034
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is not so good, then I'm thinking to myself,

1035
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: I want to give up a pick and pay this

1036
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: guy eighteen million dollars. I would agree, what are you

1037
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: gonna do with him? You're not keeping him on your roster,

1038
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: so you're gonna either have to trade him somewhere else

1039
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: and he becomes a free agent in the year and

1040
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: I can get another chance to see him or on

1041
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: another team, or you're gonna have to cut him. I mean,

1042
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: I just the same thing goes with Garrappolo. Now, the

1043
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: difference with Garoppolo as you could in theory keep him

1044
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: on the team. But I don't see how, Jimmy Garoppolo,

1045
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: how you're gonna pay him twenty five million dollars to

1046
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: be your backup. And I don't see how you can

1047
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: justify spent senty three first round picks to get Trey

1048
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: Lance and then not play him in year too. Because

1049
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: you're right, the QB carousel has spoken. Washington went with

1050
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Indy now has Matt Ryan. Atlanta ends up

1051
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: with Marcus Mariota New Orleans as Jamis Winston. So to

1052
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 1: your point earlier, who's left Seattle, Carolina, Pittsburgh. And that's

1053
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: really it. And you know those other teams we just

1054
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: just cited have a paid a veteran quarterback and they're

1055
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: looking for the next quarterback. Well, I was gonna say too,

1056
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: that seems right, because when you think about teams with

1057
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: new head coaches, at least off the top of my head,

1058
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: I none stand out to me as places where the

1059
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: coach would want to go a different direction, like even

1060
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: Miami right, like Houston right, But those would be the

1061
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: only other teams of who has a new head coach

1062
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: and maybe wants to go a different direction. But I'm

1063
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: not sure any of those even really stand. I'm Houston,

1064
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: I am I'm looking at who the college quarterbacks are

1065
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: next year. That's probably what Atlanta is doing. I mean again,

1066
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: at some point they're never going to announce to their fans,

1067
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know this, this went sideways. We're

1068
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: gonna let it go sideways for another year and see

1069
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: if we can start again do our best with what

1070
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: we've got. I mean, if I'm a Falcons fan, I'm like,

1071
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: twenty percent of our cap is a dead money hit

1072
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: forty million plus. And to that at the opposite side,

1073
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe why we've seen the AFC West

1074
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: be so aggressed. I mean, if you're Vegas and you're

1075
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: watching what the other teams in your division are doing,

1076
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: how are you not going to counter that by being

1077
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: aggressive yourself? Well, you in that in that case, you

1078
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: have to you have you have enough of a of

1079
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: a team. And they made the playoffs, right Vegas. Yeah,

1080
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: yeahs made playoffs. I mean, you've you've got an argument

1081
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: that you can be there. I just that's a meat

1082
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: grinder of a of a division. You know, you talk

1083
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals having to play that division. Can you

1084
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: imagine being in you know, I have to play six

1085
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: games against teams like that. I mean, it's just we

1086
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: think about it. Kyler Murray is going to go against

1087
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack of the Chargers. He's going

1088
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: against Chandler and Max Crosby of the Raiders. He's gonna

1089
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: get Randy Gregory and Bradley Chubb when they go to

1090
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Denver and take on the Broncos. And he's gonna get

1091
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: Chris Jones and Frank Clark of the Kansas City Chiefs.

1092
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's once again, I would not be surprised.

1093
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: We get back to the schedule, We get back to

1094
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: that overarching question, what exactly did the Cardinals learn about

1095
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: themselves that they're going to do in their self help

1096
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: sessions in the offseason, And maybe that is they're going

1097
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: to come off the ball and go straight ahead more

1098
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: than ever before. And some of that has to do

1099
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: with the pass rushers they've got to mitigate those extreme

1100
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: pressure guys off the edge, and that's the best way,

1101
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: just run it straight at him, as we've found out. Now,

1102
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: speaking of Kyler, what do we think the recent surge

1103
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: in quarterback money is going to do to the Kyler negotiations?

1104
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: Especially to Shaun Watson two hundred and thirty million dollars

1105
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: all guaranteed, Matthew Stafford well over forty million a year

1106
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: on a multi year extent. He's already thirty three years

1107
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: of age. What does that mean for twenty four year

1108
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: old Kyler Murray? I mean this, You know that this

1109
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 1: happens every year. You know that the longer you wait,

1110
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: the more money you're going to end up having to pay.

1111
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: Is Kyler Murray a forty million dollar quarterback? I think

1112
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: that's the question the front office is probably trying to

1113
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: answer or figure out or make their decision on. But

1114
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: that's that's where the trend is going. It was a

1115
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: big deal when Dak Prescott got that a few years ago,

1116
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: and now and now look that's what He's still top five,

1117
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: but he's like fifth most I think of like what

1118
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: he's making every year, And that's just that's just how

1119
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: the Cookie crumbles is every year, the longer you wait,

1120
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: the more you're going to have to pay your quarterback.

1121
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I think ultimately it's kind of funny. I think Kyler

1122
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: Murray would have made a lot less money had he

1123
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: gotten that extension right when he was demanding it. Opening

1124
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: of combine, the Watson thing is going to be really

1125
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm sure there's a bunch of teams going,

1126
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: what the F did you just do? Cleveland? You just

1127
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: totally jacked up the entire market because the guy didn't

1128
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: play last year and he's got these issues off the field,

1129
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: let's call them. He was not indicted, Okay, I don't

1130
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: really care much about that, to be honest, and I

1131
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: would still not have signed him. But you've got all

1132
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: these warts on this guy allegedly, and he's getting all that.

1133
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: Then it's so easy for me as an agent to say,

1134
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: my guy doesn't do anything wrong, how do you not

1135
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: reward him more than this other dude? With someone who

1136
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: will there's a chance has an impending actual suspension coming

1137
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: possibly right, he's gonna get suspended. That's why I'm agreeing,

1138
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: is right as you have a quarterback who hasn't played

1139
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 1: a year the way they set up the contract leads

1140
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: me to believe they know he will be missing games.

1141
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: So you're right if you're a quarterback who has produced

1142
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: on a consistent level and does not have off the field.

1143
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: I got to say something on that too. I got

1144
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: it was and I love Patrick Peterson, I really do.

1145
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: I was frustrated when it came out that he was

1146
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: mad that the Cardinals wouldn't redo his contracts so he

1147
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't lose money for a suspension back in the day.

1148
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: And it is mind blowing to me that these players

1149
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: work it so that they can get suspended and then

1150
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: and and make sure that the team makes sure that

1151
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't cost him any money. That really ticks me off. Yeah,

1152
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: that was. That was one of numerous angles on that

1153
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Brown's contract to Deshaun Watson. There was that making his

1154
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: base salary one million dollars in this coming year, So

1155
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: any sort of suspension is and punitive and really damaging financially.

1156
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: The fact they gave him eighty million dollars more than

1157
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: the previous high in terms of guaranteed money in NFL

1158
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: history was the stat I'm looking at here from ESPN

1159
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: Stats and Info. Only three other contracts in NFL history

1160
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: have topped one hundred and twenty five million and guaranteed cash.

1161
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott, and he got two thirty.

1162
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Last time an NFL team center that much first round

1163
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: draft capital to land another player was the one and

1164
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: only Herschel Walker trade nineteen eighty nine. So it was

1165
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: every facet of that transaction what Cleveland did to get

1166
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I'm guessing the HASLMS walk into that owner's

1167
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: meeting in Florida here by the weekend and Andrew Barry

1168
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: the GM, and they're going to get the side eye

1169
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: from a lot of other NFL owners and they might

1170
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: get the cold shoulder in that meeting. So now the

1171
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: question once again comes around what does that mean for

1172
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray in those negotiations. Has Russell Wilson redone his

1173
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: deal yet? Have we no so not have an extension?

1174
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what is the next contra to drop, if

1175
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: you will, that might reset the market. Well, to me,

1176
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's is not gonna reset the market because of

1177
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: his age. I mean, Deshaun Watson is still whatever he

1178
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: is twenty six or twenty five or whatever he is,

1179
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: So he's got a number of years left. I mean,

1180
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm not the main reason Seattle ultimately wanted to trade

1181
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was because they didn't want to give him

1182
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: a gigantic contract extension. I don't think he's getting that

1183
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: from Denver. I could be dead wrong. But what's Russell

1184
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: Wilson gonna do now? I mean his leverage is now

1185
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: kind of gone. I mean he can't go James Harden

1186
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: and say, well, now, Denver, you got a trade me too,

1187
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: because you won't unless they had some sort of agreement

1188
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: Darren right. I mean he did have to waive a

1189
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: no trade clause right now, and that's true, and maybe

1190
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: they do, and I guess it'll be interesting to see

1191
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 1: how that turns out. And then there's Lamar Jackson, who's

1192
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: been representing himself and still doesn't have a crazy one out.

1193
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: It is it is, and a lot of people think

1194
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: that he is willingly going to just play for the Tag.

1195
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: And how far is Josh Allen out? No, he already

1196
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: signed his extension last year. It just it's still about

1197
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: to kick in. Same with Patrick Mahomes, right, right, I

1198
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: remember Mahomes justin Herbert, though, is coming quickly. Here's and borrow.

1199
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: This was posted this morning as of a recording. It's

1200
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: the Monday morning, Monday afternoon quarterback Albert Breer, and I'm

1201
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: just gonna quote the boyer we had because he touted

1202
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: it the latest in the Kyler Murray situation. Here's what

1203
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: Albert Breer wrote. It will be fascinating to see what

1204
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: this does to Kyler Murray's strategy and dealing with the Cardinals,

1205
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: meaning the new quarterback contracts. His camp wants a new

1206
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: deal before the draft and is willing to demand a

1207
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: trade if there's not movement towards one between now and

1208
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: then A bigger reason. A big reason why is because

1209
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: post draft teams usually have their quarterback plans squared away,

1210
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: which will make finding a solid landing spot difficult. But

1211
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: as it stands now, adds Breer, those sorts of opportunities

1212
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: are already drying. We'll see if that creates more urgency

1213
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: on Murray's part to get a resolution with a team

1214
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: that with teams that usually have the quarterback plans squared away, etc.

1215
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: So in terms of the timing, is it already too

1216
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: late if your team, Kyler? I mean what is your alternative?

1217
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: Where would you get traded right now? At this point,

1218
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: I guess you could theoretically get traded to. I mean,

1219
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: if you're going to demand a trade, as Brewer speculates, where, well,

1220
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: those teams we've mentioned are, you don't think any of

1221
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: them would want Kyler. I would disagree with do a

1222
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: deal with the Steelers, is what you're saying. To do

1223
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: a deal with Carolina. You're not going to trade them

1224
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: within the vision seattles out, saddles out. Maybe Houston, maybe Pittsburgh.

1225
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they'd want to put them

1226
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: in the NFC at all. So I don't think Caroline

1227
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: is an option. So then you're talking about Houston and Pittsburgh,

1228
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: and then you're like, who what am I getting from

1229
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: Houston and Pittsburgh? I'm and I don't about those three

1230
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: first round picks that just went to Houston and returned

1231
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: for to Shawn Watson. Who's your quarterback? I don't have

1232
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: that answer. I'm just saying this for hypothetically because I'm

1233
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: just going to stay for the right Kyler Murray's not

1234
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: going anywhere. He's not going anywhere. Now. I can't I

1235
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: can't predict the future like in twenty twenty four. But

1236
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm willing to wager, even though I don't wager because

1237
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: it's not legal. Calvin Ridley, he's not going anywhere. He's

1238
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. I mean, they can ask for a trade,

1239
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: but why. I don't understand what the Cardinals would get

1240
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: out of trading him. I understand why he would want one.

1241
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: I understand why he would be frustrated. I don't understand

1242
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: why they would want to. The only reason I can

1243
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: think of in terms of why why would the Cardinals

1244
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: trade Kyler Murray's if they believe their last impression is

1245
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: a lasting impression that the game he put up against

1246
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: the Rams for some reason is going to be the norm,

1247
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: that some reason that wasn't an outlier. If that's true,

1248
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: you already would have had him on the trading block.

1249
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Good point, unless at this point that was nerve racking,

1250
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: nerve rattling enough that they're going to ride this out.

1251
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: That guess what we're gonna withstand the noise from your agent.

1252
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be furious, and it's gonna be

1253
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and it but you know what you're gonna play

1254
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: this year for your five million plus. You're eleven million

1255
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: plus this year, You're gonna play next year for nearly

1256
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: thirty million. On the fifth year, we're gonna pick up

1257
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: that option by May, and if we have to, we'll

1258
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: tag you. That's three more years under our control and

1259
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: they ride it out. They have those options. But again,

1260
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: whether that's a thought process or not, which I don't

1261
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: know that has. You know, you're not getting what then

1262
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: the trade has nothing to do with anything. I mean,

1263
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:04,479
Speaker 1: it's just so there you go. That's just the what

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Speaker 1: we get. So and I'm surmising that Albert Brewer is

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Speaker 1: talking to Team Kyler and his agent. Is that this week?

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Speaker 1: That I was posted today? That was posted today, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's a direct quote. So once again I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I guess now look at it from the cardinal side.

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Speaker 1: What is the impetus to get a deal done by

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Speaker 1: the draft? Is there other than to appease your franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: And okay, you know what we are. We do have

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Speaker 1: a long term future together. And a lot of people

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Speaker 1: read into a long term contract for Cliff Kingsbury and

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Speaker 1: Steve Kime that they are a package deal. Like Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: literally said to Pat McAfee that you know, we banked

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Speaker 1: our careers on this young quarterback, so we view ourselves

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Speaker 1: as a package deal. Okay, so maybe it's just and

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Speaker 1: once again, and I've cited this before on Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: how the other six deals were all done in June, July, August,

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Speaker 1: and September, So you're accelerating the timeline to get one

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Speaker 1: of these deals done year three. That's how I felt

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Speaker 1: when Kyler's agent put that statement out right before the

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Speaker 1: combine in February, felt to me, at least from the

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Speaker 1: history of these, felt early. But I would think the

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Speaker 1: timing is if you're trying to get the importance of

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Speaker 1: getting a deal done before the draft. The only quarterback

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Speaker 1: we've mentioned of something that might affect the way you

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Speaker 1: would work around Kyler's contract to an extent would be

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I don't even know if you're necessarily rushing

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Speaker 1: against the draft maybe before if he's going to get

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Speaker 1: a deal. And that's why I asked about the Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson because I'm wondering, Yeah, what else is out there

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Speaker 1: that could harm your negotiating power and your leverage as

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Speaker 1: the team as the team as the team, like why

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Speaker 1: what would be the cattles for them to get a

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Speaker 1: deal done now versus late in the summer. Honestly, at

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Speaker 1: this point, I don't know if there is such a thing,

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Speaker 1: just because we've had so many quarterback deals all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, I mean, Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford, and

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Speaker 1: the market has already been reset. It's already I mean,

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Speaker 1: we already kind of knew what the ballpark was going

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Speaker 1: to be for these these contracts. Anyways, I mean really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, as any of this that's surprising. And once again,

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Speaker 1: once the new media writes money and those revenues enter

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Speaker 1: into the equation two years from now, the salary cast

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Speaker 1: can be closer to three hundred million than two hundred million. So,

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Speaker 1: as ridiculous as it might sound, forty million dollars a

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Speaker 1: year for a quarterback could be well bought two years

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Speaker 1: from now based on where things might be going. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I was saying with Dak when he was a

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Speaker 1: big deal when he signed, and now look what these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are making. And also the carousel of all these announcers.

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Speaker 1: The reality on the quarterback contracts are that you either

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Speaker 1: have a good one that you're paying an obscene amount

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Speaker 1: of money too, or you are in a quarterback ditch.

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Speaker 1: There is no in between anymore. There just isn't. It's

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Speaker 1: just black and white. There's no grain. You think there's

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Speaker 1: a gray with quarterbacks, Well, I don't know about gray,

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Speaker 1: but I think there are teams who have really good

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who maybe aren't great, and they're just good enough

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Speaker 1: to kind of get him into the playoffs on a

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Speaker 1: connectional basis. I'm not saying there aren't. Okay, there's a

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Speaker 1: difference between having a quarterback that is going to win

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Speaker 1: you a super Bowl and a quarterback that I'm What

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is is if your quarterback is any good,

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Speaker 1: you have to pay them. Yeah, that's it. That's end

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Speaker 1: to store. You're or you're in a quarterback ditch. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about what you might do with

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I mean, how Aaron Rodgers has not

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Speaker 1: been to a super Bowl in a decade and they

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Speaker 1: get mad at him for flaming out in the in

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Speaker 1: the in the playoffs. And I understand that to a

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Speaker 1: certain extent, But Aaron Rodgers is Are we all going

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Speaker 1: to say Aaron Rodgers is isn't one of the top

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Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks of all time. I'm pretty sure he is.

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Speaker 1: So what are we talking about here? I agree that

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Speaker 1: that's the way it's it's trending is every year you're

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Speaker 1: not upset about this thought? Is this a dak thing?

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Speaker 1: I'm just upset that you are nice and tan and

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Speaker 1: I am not yet. Let me ask you this, do

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Speaker 1: you think the days of a Brad Johnson or a

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Speaker 1: Trent Dilfer dare I say, a Kurt Warner at the

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Speaker 1: end of his career with a new team, one of

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Speaker 1: the rich gannon right, leading a team to a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Do you think those days are over? To your point, Darren,

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Speaker 1: it's either the halves or the have nots. Either you

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Speaker 1: have the marquee obscenely paid quarterback or you have nothing.

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Speaker 1: But do you think one of those middle ground type

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Speaker 1: qbs like see I would Warner wasn't middle ground by

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Speaker 1: the end of well in terms of his salary though,

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Speaker 1: in terms of his salary and what do he accounted

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Speaker 1: for now? And I think he was willing to play

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Speaker 1: for a little less. We all know there was some circums.

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Speaker 1: Even Tom Brady right now I was playing for a

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Speaker 1: lot less than he could command. No question about that.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's just my point. I mean, could you

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Speaker 1: get a team in this day and age with just

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Speaker 1: such a dominant defense and maybe a run game that

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Speaker 1: you truly could win a Super Bowl with a game

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Speaker 1: manager at quarterback. I knew that Paul really wished he

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Speaker 1: could just with rest in peace, John Clayton. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: just go take over for John Clayton as a Seahawks

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Speaker 1: sideline reporter, run and game and defense. Pete Carroll will

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Speaker 1: love him to death. That's right, Coach Double Rainbow and me.

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Speaker 1: That's just a reunion that's waiting to happen. Right. Why

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Speaker 1: would you think a run game in the defense is

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Speaker 1: going to win you? As I'm asking Paul, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be a once in a generation defense. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be the Ravens defense at two thousands, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be the Bears defense at eighty five. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be a once in a generation defense. But I

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Speaker 1: think you can still win a Super Bowl with that formula.

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Speaker 1: I think now it's not gonna happen once every two decades,

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Speaker 1: but I think it is best plausible, doable. Still. I

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Speaker 1: like that idea, But how are you going to say

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Speaker 1: it's not going to happen every two decades, but say

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Speaker 1: that it's plausible, it's out there. I'm going to disagree

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Speaker 1: because I say, even in the two thousand Raven season,

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Speaker 1: the rules are so much different than they were just

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Speaker 1: in two thousand in terms of what they let offenses

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Speaker 1: get away with and how they call the game and

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Speaker 1: how they do things. No way, that is a valid point.

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Speaker 1: That is a valid point. I won't cling to my

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Speaker 1: argument to the point where I acknowledge that team that

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Speaker 1: is going to go without an offensive touchdown for five

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Speaker 1: straight games. And when I'm sorry, Paul. Normally, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like to defend you against Darren, but I got

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Speaker 1: a side with him on this one. I really need

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Speaker 1: a nap, So we'll let Darren go with this news

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Speaker 1: that And look, if you're a player, this is the

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff you site. There was also a memo

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Speaker 1: that came out today. Did you see this in NFL

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Speaker 1: League memo that now teams are granted limited permission to

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Speaker 1: seek blockchain sponsorships and allow blockchain advertising, ie you know cryptocurrency,

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Speaker 1: you know, bitcoin, dogecoin, whatever, ethereum NFT partnerships. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just throwing that out about well, I followed this a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I just bring this up for two reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be yet another considerable revenue stream for

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Speaker 1: the NFL, just like sports gambling was last year, and

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Speaker 1: we'll continue to be and we'll grow exponentially. So this

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Speaker 1: is what the players are talking about when they demand

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Speaker 1: these sort of contracts because they look at the sort

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Speaker 1: of revenue the NFL is generating. Also, I bring it

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Speaker 1: up because I would say five years from out, ten

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Speaker 1: years from now, although Darren you might have already retired early.

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Speaker 1: We know how you have invested on the side in

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Speaker 1: your four oh one K. But for Danny, prepare for

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Speaker 1: the day. In the eighteen to thirty four demo, yes,

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Speaker 1: I worked it into another Cardinals Underground where you will

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Speaker 1: be paid in cryptocurrency at some point. That's my PAULI

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Speaker 1: prediction for you. At some point, like OBJ did this

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Speaker 1: year or the Rams, Danny Serek will be taking her

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Speaker 1: cardinal's salary and bitcoin at some point. That means somebody

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Speaker 1: is going to how to explain bitcoin enough for me

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Speaker 1: to understand, which is I've got a couple of articles

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Speaker 1: that can send you, and I'm sure I will offend

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Speaker 1: somebody who's listening right now. But I got a couple

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Speaker 1: of articles that I think they explained them to me.

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Speaker 1: Just fine, and I'll take a pass. Darren will sell

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Speaker 1: you some bitcoin right after, right after we're done with

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Speaker 1: this edition. He's shaking his head. No, just for the record.

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