1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Alright, this is Chase that Lee. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: It's the Philly Show. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody rubin tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd zo Lecky, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: that's me. It's Monday, Monday. It's Monday, December ninth, twenty 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: twenty four. The Philly Show, brought to you by the 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: File Territory Network. Guys, first day of the Winter Meetings. 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: We're all in Dallas. We're all together in Dallas. We're 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: in separate hotels, but we're all together in Dallas and 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: Together in spirits. 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: We're together, and spirit we'll we will be together physically later. 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Right now, it's it's a spiritual together, and it's that 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: we're where we are. But a lot of big things 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: going on already at the Winter Meetings, and one directly 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: involves the Phillies, which is Dick Allen has finally made 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He got the announcement was last night. 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: Dick Allen and Dave Parker make the Hall of Fame. 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: And then Juan Soto signs a massive contract with the 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: New York Mets. 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: We'll get to that little bit. 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: I want to first start, though, by saying, last week 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: we talked about these ship pinched Sports was giving away 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: and Mitchell and Nest hoodie. 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: They drew that drawing yesterday. 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: Uh Michael mchughe is the big winner of the Mitchell 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: and Nest Phillies hoodie, So congratulations to him. 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That was 37 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: a cool giveaway. 38 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: It's nice to be in the giving spirit this holiday season. 39 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: So it hurts, it hurts like Steve Cohen, Steve Steve. 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Cohen, it hurts. He absolutely is. 41 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: But what I don't even think that hurts him. 42 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: It's a it's a I like to well, we'll get 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: into that. 44 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I like to like figure out what that money would 45 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: mean to my mean to my family and my salary. 46 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 5: Giving that away for him, it's like in a quarter 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 5: to want So. 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: You'd be right back here tomorrow doing another bout Territory 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: Slash Figures podcast. 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: Out exactly right, So Dick Allen finally makes the Hall 51 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: of Fame. Well deserved. 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: Of course, we talked about it last week on the show. 53 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: First reactions, guys to Dick Allen finally making it in. 54 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 6: I was really happy for him and his family, and uh, 55 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 6: you know, my first reaction, I wish he was here 56 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 6: to see it, to feel it, to experience it. Having 57 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 6: covered the story for really many years, especially as it 58 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 6: kind of re emerged, you know, around twenty twenty, when 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 6: John Middleton really started championing his cause and telling the 60 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 6: stories about how he had rooted for Dick Allen as 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 6: a kid, and how Dick Allen's uh, you know, spectacular 62 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 6: play ignited the fan in young Middleton and look where 63 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 6: it let them. 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 5: He owns the Phillies now, and. 65 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 6: Just I think it forced us all to take a 66 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 6: closer look at that career and the things he went through, 67 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 6: and the challenges and the hurdles and the obstacles and 68 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 6: the hostile environment he played in and refocused that refocused 69 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 6: everybody's kind of prism on his career and what a 70 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 6: career was just a great slugger, measured closely to Aaron 71 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 6: and Mays in that era, hit that eleven year span 72 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 6: where he was one of the most feared hitters in baseball. 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 6: And it's a long time coming. You know, a lot 74 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 6: of slights over the years, did not farewell on the 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 6: writer's ballot as a player, missed on various you know, 76 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 6: veterans committees and oversight committees the last few years by 77 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 6: one vote, one vote in fourteen, one vote in twenty 78 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 6: and you know, now he gets in by two votes. 79 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 6: I think we all had a good vibe going in 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 6: and we had a good vibe going out. So I'm 81 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 6: really happy for Dick Allen, his family. I'm happy for 82 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 6: the people championed his cause. I think it's long overdue 83 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 6: and deserved and great way to start off the winning meetings. 84 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: It is a great way. Jim, I totally agree. I'm 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: really happy for him. Sort of a personal connection, not 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 4: just knowing the man himself, but really my dad playing 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: next to him for years and years in the sixties. 88 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: I remember my dad talking about, you know, some of 89 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: the best athletes at that time, and I maybe we've 90 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 4: talked about this again. I'm probably repeating myself but you 91 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: talk about the greatest players of that era, you're talking 92 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 4: about May's Aaron Mantle, Roberto Clemente, and then it's Dick. 93 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: Allen's right there with them, and you know, with the 94 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: way they produced. My dad used to talk about that 95 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: all the time and how he ranked them, and how 96 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 4: talented Dick was. Dick was like a supreme athlete, like 97 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: a great athlete, and they do a lot of different things. 98 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 4: My first impression of Dick, the very first time I 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 4: actually got to meet him, I think, is when he 100 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: came back to the Phillies that Thick before scooting out 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 4: was he was he with the White Sox or the Phillies. 102 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: I think he was with the Phillis after the White 103 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: Sox for a couple of years. 104 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, when he came back, I got a chance to 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 4: go down to the clubhouse and meet him. And he's 106 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: not really that big of a man far as far 107 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: as his height as concerned. But I remember like being 108 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 4: a very young young guy, but like shaking his hand, 109 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: his hand wrapped around my hand like four times. 110 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: I mean I'm talking about I mean this guy he had. 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 4: With forty two or forty four hours bat or whatever, 112 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: forty six ounce. 113 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: Back that he waved her out. Just amazing strength and 114 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: power in those hands. Man, and just a just a 115 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: really cool dude. 116 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: And I've gotten to know him, you know, over the years, 117 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: well beyond that when he was sort of doing some 118 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 4: ambassadorship and things like that for the Phillies. 119 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: And he's just a cool cat man, just a cool dude. 120 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 4: And uh and I'm glad that he's find you know, find. 121 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 4: This justifies all the work and all the things that 122 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: he went through, as you said, Jim, and not. 123 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: Easy for him in Philadelphia. 124 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: One of those perfect example of a guy that's sort 125 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 4: of misunderstood, there's no question about that. And really a great, 126 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 4: great person. So happy for the family, great people and 127 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 4: thumbs up man across the board. 128 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 6: You mentioned his hands, and I met him a few 129 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 6: times over the years, a number of times that he 130 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 6: had bone crushing hands. They were like Catcher's myths, but 131 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 6: you know, there was strong and they like had little 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 6: biceps in his fingers. I remember my first story, Todd, 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 6: My first story, my first story cover in The Phillies 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety four was Dick Allen's return to the 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 6: organization after a long split. He returned to the organization 136 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 6: as an ambassador, and I remember him saying something to 137 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 6: the effect that he had been going down to Veterans 138 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 6: Stadium and taken you know, some sauna. Is because he 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 6: was a couple of pounds over his playing weight. This 140 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 6: is like, you know, so or after he had finished 141 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 6: playing and he was only a couple of pounds over 142 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 6: his playing weight. So that's awesome, really uh, really cool. 143 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Dude, you met Rubin. You mentioned that big bat he swung, 144 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: and it was either this summer or the summer before. 145 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: The Phillies were in Pittsburgh and they went to the 146 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: Roberto Clemente Museum, which I haven't been to, but apparently 147 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: it's just amazing, and somebody brought back an exact repliclub 148 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: a Roberto Clemente bat, and then know Schwarber and a 149 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: few other guys they took some VP with it, just 150 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: to kind of because the bats have obviously changed a 151 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: lot since since then. I would love to see somebody 152 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: get a Dick Allen Repicla bat and see some of 153 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: those guys take some hats hacks in the cage. 154 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: That'd be kind of a cool little thing to do. 155 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: Maybe the day if they I'm sure they're going to 156 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: honor them at the ballpark at some point this summer. 157 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: Getting into the Hall of Fame. 158 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: They'd be kind of a fun thing to see these 159 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: guys just pick up a forty two ounce forty ounce bat. 160 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: See if they can get around at it and hit it. 161 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: Hit a couple of. 162 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: Bombs, Yeah, no, no doubt. 163 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he was an amazing I mean the 164 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: bat looked longer than him. 165 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: He was crazy, crazy stuff. 166 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: I both once picked up Albert Bell's bat while we 167 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: were taking VP man. 168 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: I felt like the same way. 169 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: I mean, his bat was like a drop down Holy mackerel, 170 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: moving that one around. 171 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 5: We talked about his nineteen sixty six season the other. 172 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 6: Day, which, yeah, he's in. That always amazes me. Look 173 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 6: at his rookie year as well. Sixty four, Yeah, you know, 174 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 6: sixty four, big year in the Phillies, but he was 175 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 6: twenty two years old. 176 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: You know. 177 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 5: He leads the league and runs scored, he leads. 178 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 6: The league in triples, He hits over three hundred, you know, 179 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 6: slugs off the charts. I mean, look at that rookie 180 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 6: year at age twenty two. Wow, just a baby and 181 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 6: just putting up those huge, huge power numbers. And slugging 182 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 6: numbers in offensive numbers. 183 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: What a force. 184 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, those eleven years were pretty amazing, Ruben, Like you said, 185 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: your dad said, he was ranked right behind Mantle and 186 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: Clemente and Mays and and the Jim. You had those 187 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: stats about the eleven year stretch, and I know in 188 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: war he ranked six in that stretch, and the guys 189 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: ahead of him were Aaron Carlia Streemsky, Roberto Clementi, Ron 190 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: Santo Brooks, Robinson. 191 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: He was tied with Willie Mays in that eleven year stretch. 192 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: So, and the guys behind him were like Frank Robinson 193 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and Pete Rose and one other Hall of famers. 194 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: So just absolutely what a force. 195 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: And I wonder if the vote came out the day, 196 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: if Dick Allen had played in today's general, he probably 197 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: would have gotten in by the baseball writers. I think 198 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Pitt players are looked at a lot differently. I think 199 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: the stats are considered a lot differently, And I wonder 200 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: about that. 201 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 6: I think there were writers of that era that held 202 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 6: grudges against him and affected because he battled, you know, 203 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 6: he had come up in the time and he had 204 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 6: endured you know, harsh racism in the minor leagues. 205 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 5: And then IF followed him to Philadelphia. 206 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 6: He clashed with teammates, he clashed with club officials, with fans. 207 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 5: He spoke his mind, He was outspoken, He stuck out 208 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 5: for himself. 209 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 6: He didn't take no you know what from nobody, and 210 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 6: I think people held out. 211 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 5: Against him when the vote came out. Obviously they did. 212 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: He only got like nineteen percent on the writer's ballads. 213 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: Absurd. 214 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 6: But I'm just really glad to see a wrong has 215 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 6: been righted and he will get his day. 216 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: And the Cobra how about the Cobra man? 217 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 6: Yes, great member was cool too as a kid throwing out? 218 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 6: Was that Seattle All Star Game with that big arm ahead? 219 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 6: And then when I first started covering baseball in the 220 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 6: late eighties, he was in Oakland, A And I got 221 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 6: to see him play on some of those great teams 222 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 6: against the against the Red Sox. What a physical specimen 223 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 6: Dave Parker was. 224 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: I only got to see him. 225 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: So he played for one year with the Brewers, you know, 226 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: growing up in Milwaukee, I got to see him play 227 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: for the Brewis. I think it was ninety two. He 228 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: made the All Star team as a DH and I 229 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: just had all of his baseball cards. So I was 230 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: just like, this guy is a friggin stud man. And 231 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: then the coolest thing was I had tickets to a 232 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: game somewhere near close to home plate and he would 233 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: take a sledgehammer and kind of loosen up, swing his 234 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: sledgehammer around. 235 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: I was like, dude, this dude freaking rocks. 236 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: And I remember after that year, I texted my dad 237 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: this last night because we were talking about Dave Parker, 238 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: and I said, this guy's gonna make the Hall of 239 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: Fame one day. 240 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: And my dad was like, I don't think he's gonna 241 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: make the Hall of Fame. 242 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to make a And that 243 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: was probably about thirteen years old at the time. He's 244 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: making the Hall of Fame. I'll bet you twenty dollars 245 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: he makes the Hall of Fame. So we wrote it 246 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: down on a sheet of paper and I have it 247 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: somewhere in my house. I have to find it. But 248 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: I texted my dad last night, said, do you remember 249 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: we made a twenty dollars bet on Dave Parker making 250 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. 251 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: Well he just got in, so see. 252 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 5: What's that twenty worth? 253 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: Now? 254 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 5: I mean we talked about two and fifty and seventy dollars. 255 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 5: That's true. 256 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: I should have put that on Interest exactly. Yeah. 257 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: I got got a couple of Parkway Dave Parker stories. 258 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: I mean my first one. I mean, obviously, I was 259 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: bat boying at that time when in the in the 260 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: in the eighties and was just watching him play against him. 261 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 4: The Pirates were a pretty big rival with the Phillies then, 262 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: and there was a lot of scuffles, you know those teams. 263 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 4: I battled it out a lot. And I remember my 264 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: dad being in the first base coach and me being 265 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: in the dugout, and there was a couple of battles, 266 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: one of them in particular at the vet and my dad, 267 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 4: and neither of them involved either Pops, Willy Stargell or 268 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 4: Parker and my dad. The three of them, my Dad, 269 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: Willie Stargel and UH and Dave Parker were standing together. 270 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 4: My dad looked like a little abusion next to him, 271 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 4: and they started grabbing and like push him around and 272 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: tussle it them. 273 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 5: It was hilarious. They were like messing, they we're gonna 274 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 5: take you down, Ruben. I'm like, oh my god, Dad, 275 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: are you gonna be all right? I'm like yeah, I 276 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 5: was like paddicking dugout. It was pretty funny. 277 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: These two monsters, you know, were messing with my dad. 278 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: But but I also got a chance. 279 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: Very first time I got to the big leagues with 280 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: the California Angels, Dave Parker was on the team. He's 281 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: a DH obviously not running very well. His knees were 282 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 4: not very good at that time as late in his career. 283 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: My very first appearance as a major leaguer was to 284 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 4: pinch run for Dave Parker. 285 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 5: Is that right? 286 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: Very first major league appearance was as pinch runner for 287 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 4: Dave Parker in a in a game that was a 288 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: two to one game against the Detroit Tigers that he 289 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 4: had just let off with a rocket off the right 290 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 4: field wall. He couldn't get the second base. I came 291 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: in he had pinch hit, I think, or da I think, 292 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 4: I can't remember. I came in, pinch ran form, got 293 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: bunded a second and then we ended up, you know, 294 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: getting into a double play at the end of the 295 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 4: game and did not win the game. But but that 296 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 4: was my very first appearance, and I was I pinched 297 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 4: ran for Dave Parker. 298 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: That is cool. 299 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: I can't I don't think you've told us that story, 300 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: or at least I don't remember it. 301 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: But that's that is that is very cool. 302 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: And he was let me also say this, So they 303 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 4: back then they had kangaroo court. 304 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: And I know, I don't think they can call it 305 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: kangaroo court anymore or whatever they call it. That's that's 306 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 3: not PC anymore. 307 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: But anyway, we had kangaroo court when I first got 308 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 4: to the big leagues, like the second day there, he 309 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: was knighted. He was actually the judge and he put 310 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: the whole garb on man with the wig, the whole 311 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: nine yards, and he banged me. I was like one 312 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 4: of the first guys they banged for crossing. They called 313 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: it the border tax because I crossed from the Canadian 314 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: border because I was playing for the Edmonton or the 315 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: Trappers in Triple A when I got called up. So 316 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: I got nailed for twenty bucks for the for the 317 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: for the crossing the border tax, so I had to 318 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 4: pay up when I got. 319 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: To the big leagues. But he was super witty. He 320 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: had the biggest smile. 321 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: Man. I don't know if you if you really know 322 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 4: the guy been around him, but boy, he loved to 323 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: have fun on the field. He talked a lot of smack. 324 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: He was just a really really fun guy to be around. Man, 325 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: and in a very short period of time, it was 326 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: easy to take a quick liking to. 327 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: Both of those guys. Just iconic. 328 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, when you think about Phillies fans, they for 329 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: that generation, they love Dick Allen and Dave Parkers just 330 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: like mister Pirate almost really Stargele Roberto Clemente. 331 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, and. 332 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 5: You're right about those old Pirates Phillies rivalries. 333 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 6: In that era, they were great, and you know, being 334 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 6: in the same state, it was something, it was something 335 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 6: cool about it. 336 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 5: Larry Bowe used. 337 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 6: To tell me, or told me the story once that 338 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 6: in those years when them and the Pirates was slugging 339 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 6: it out in the old NL East, the. 340 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 5: Pirates would be on the West coast. 341 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 6: There was just like a series around the West coast 342 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 6: and they were having this really tight race and and 343 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 6: Larry would, you know, be driving home from the Vet 344 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 6: and he'd be like trying to pull in the Pirates 345 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 6: game on the radio, and he'd get it on the radio. 346 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: I mean, the world was just different. 347 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 6: And he ended up like sitting in his driveway listening 348 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 6: to the end of the Pirates game when they were 349 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 6: playing out on the West Coast, because you know, they 350 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 6: had so much to do with the NL East standings 351 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 6: and now they're in the Central and that rivalry just 352 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 6: doesn't exist at all anymore. 353 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: And I just have a feeling at some point, if 354 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: there's a there's more expansion that the Pirates might slide 355 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: over there and they might end up having like an 356 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: Atlantic Division and maybe a Southern Division or something like that. 357 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: They might move things around in a way that where 358 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 4: things might change pretty dramatically. I'd love to see that 359 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: be back, though, because it's a great cross cross state rivalry. 360 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 4: They should be in the same They're not going to 361 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: be in the same If they're not going to be 362 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: in the same league, then they should certainly be in 363 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: the same division in my right, right. 364 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: Well, congratulations to Dick Allen and his family. It was 365 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: cool to see their reaction last night in the suite 366 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: here in Dallas. Celebrate that and Wan Soto guys signs 367 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: that fifteen year, seven hundred and sixty five million dollar 368 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: deal with the New York Mets unofficially unofficially, unofficially penning 369 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: of physical YadA YadA unoffictionally. 370 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: Can you imagine what people in New York will do 371 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 5: if they called it off? 372 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I put it, he's got a missing meniscus there. 373 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: I mean, he's done. You know that happened. 374 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 5: I put on wf AN last night. 375 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 6: Uh, you know, after the announce and they were going 376 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 6: nuts up there, and they're still going nuts. 377 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 5: It's exciting. It's a lot of money. I was thinking. 378 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 6: So I actually was trying to put it in perspective. 379 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 6: I may have failed, but so seven hundred and sixty 380 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 6: five million. I looked up what it costs to build 381 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 6: veteran State Citizens Bank Park. What it cost to build 382 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 6: Citizens Bank Park twenty one years ago, four hundred and 383 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 6: fifty eight million. Today's value or today translated will be 384 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 6: seven hundred and thirty nine million in today's dollars. So 385 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 6: Soto is is he could build that worth more than that? 386 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: That is yeah, I mean that that numbers crazy big, 387 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, in the fact that the Yankees offered seven 388 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: to sixty the AAV was less, of course average annual value. 389 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: But by the way. 390 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 5: By the way, the Yankees didn't get him. If somebody's 391 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 5: got to get fired, Steinbrenner and Cashman. 392 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: They got to get fired. They're done. 393 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was a valiant effort by both 394 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 4: those really and obviously what what they threw up there 395 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: through seven hundred and sixty or seven hundred and fifty million. 396 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't get a guy, then. 397 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 4: You offer seven hundred and fifty million dollars sixteen years 398 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 4: shouldn't be faulted. 399 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a it was a huge offer. 400 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: And now I guess I know why the Phillies didn't 401 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: seem to be in a particular rush to get out 402 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, wine and dine Juan Sota and 403 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: make him an offer. I you know, who knows what 404 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: they could have offered a Juan Soda, but they would 405 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: have been wasting their time. I think they knew it. 406 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean reference elsewhere. 407 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, Toronto jumped up there close to in seven hundred 408 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 4: and so did it. Sounds like the Boston Red Sox 409 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: did also in a futile way, you know, again stalking 410 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 4: horses more than anything else, or maybe to show to 411 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: their fan base, hey, we are really trying to get 412 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: these guys right that there's also some pr hit to that. 413 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 4: I think there was just a reality that the Phillies 414 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 4: had other plans. 415 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 6: So you know this, it got me to thinking seeing 416 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 6: you know, seven hundred and sixty five million. 417 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 5: I remember. 418 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 6: So the Winter Meetings actually disappeared in the early nineties 419 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 6: because the owners and MLB were kind of ticked off 420 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 6: that it was getting taken over by the agents. So 421 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 6: the Winter Meetings kind of went away, and then they 422 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 6: came back in ninety seven, and that was the year 423 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 6: that Kevin Brown signed the biggest contract in baseball history, one. 424 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 5: Hundred and five million, and it like rocked. 425 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 6: It was that it was a Nashville It rocked the 426 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 6: Winter Meetings that, you know, the first one hundred million 427 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 6: dollar man in baseball. 428 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: And then not. 429 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 6: Long after that, a rod here in Dallas gets two 430 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 6: hundred and fifty two million. People's jaws just dropped, and 431 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 6: now seven hundred and sixty five million back down, same agent, 432 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 6: Scott Boris, new Stratosphere. 433 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 5: It's just absolutely. 434 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 6: You know, hey, if you got the money and you 435 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 6: got the competitiveness and you want to win, I don't 436 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 6: have a problem with it. I guess I scratched my 437 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 6: head a little bit and wonder is it indeed good 438 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 6: for baseball? 439 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: I mean, it's a lot of attention being drawn on 440 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 5: this sport. There's a lot of money in this sport. 441 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 6: But there are thirty teams and a lot of them 442 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 6: can't go down this route really ever. 443 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: Very very few of them can. There's no question about that. 444 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: It's tough. There's one side. 445 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 4: I mean, I love the fact that you know, for 446 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 4: the player, get as much as you possibly can as 447 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 4: a player. I think in when I think with my 448 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: players had on, I'm like, this is awesome as as 449 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: far as you know. 450 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: Someone in the front office. 451 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 4: Wow, this is really How is this really going to 452 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: ultimately affect the game? How is this gonna move the 453 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 4: market for other guys that are probably gonna start popping 454 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 4: off here shortly, the Santander's of the world and the 455 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: ta Oscar hernandez Is of the world, the next level down. 456 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 4: I mean, this guy's an iconic player. He's already a 457 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer probably, so it's a little different for him. 458 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 4: So was Otani. Those guys were sort of I don't know, 459 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: you could talk about them being very unique, but but 460 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: you know, there's pluses and minuses. I think ultimately it's 461 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 4: great to have this kind of attention for the game. 462 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: No deferral. 463 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 6: The practical issue Todd of this guy's in the NL East, now, yeah, 464 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 6: go back in the NL East. 465 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 5: Philly's gonna be squaring off with him a lot. 466 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 6: If you and Phillies are from the clubhouse on up, 467 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 6: what would you be thinking? 468 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: Well, I I personally, if I'm a competitor, if I'm 469 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: on that pitching staff, I like the idea of facing 470 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: won so too. I feel like they they have fared 471 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: fairly well against him, at least in the twenty twenty 472 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: two postseason. 473 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: I don't think Monsta really got him. 474 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: I think you might have hit a home run off them, 475 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: And not that that means anything going down the road, 476 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: but I like the idea of having another big star. 477 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: Another reason if you're a Phillies fan to hate the Mets, 478 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna those games are going to become 479 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: so much bigger now. I mean no disrespect to Francisco Lindoor, 480 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: but I think wan Soto just adds something to this 481 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: rivalry and I will be curious to see now, and Ruben, 482 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: you can answer this question, is do the Phillies now 483 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: feel like, all right, we got to answer. 484 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 2: We got to come up with an answer. To this. 485 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of times I've heard 486 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: GMS say, well, you can't worry about what other teams do. 487 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: You have to focus on your needs and what you 488 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: need to do and what you can do. 489 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: And I guess that's true. 490 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: But I'm wondering in that's Philly sweet today in Dallas 491 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: and last night, are they going, all right, what are 492 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: we going to do here to make sure that we 493 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: can compete with these guys? 494 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: Well, I think one of the big things is, I mean, 495 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 4: you do have to sort of see what other teams 496 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: are doing. 497 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: You have to do your own business first and foremost. 498 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 4: I know that's that's sort of sort of the mantra 499 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: that I'm sure Dave Dombrowski and John Middleton will have. 500 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: But that's it. I mean, you can't go in there 501 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: with blinders. 502 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 4: I mean, this is going to be a very different 503 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 4: team now. Now the Mets do some work to do. 504 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: It's not like, you know, I don't know who's going 505 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 4: to protect him in the lineup. They need some pitching. 506 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: They've lost Manaya. I don't know if they sign him back. 507 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 4: They've got you know, Severino's gone gone. I know that 508 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 4: they who they bring back like Clay is it Clay Holmes. 509 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: I've got Clay Holmes, got Clay Holmes, and they've got Montas, 510 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 4: who's an injury risk. I'm not you know, I'm not 511 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 4: super high on their rotation right now. So listen, it 512 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 4: takes twenty five twenty six players now to win. It 513 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: takes forty players usually to win a division and to 514 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: win a championship. 515 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: And it's really. 516 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: About the depth that's have a good club, good offensive club. 517 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 4: Biento's Alvarez, pretty good young players who are up and coming, 518 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 4: but not definitely not set in stone. Obviously they have 519 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 4: Nemo and they have some other guys, but they got 520 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 4: a first base issue. Orre they going to bring Alonso back? 521 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 4: Are they going to protect Juan Soto with you know, 522 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 4: in that lineup, who's going to hit in the three 523 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: hole behind them? You know, there's a whole set of 524 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: things that they still have to take care of. And 525 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: as far as the Phillies go, listen, they got work 526 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: to do. They got to back into the bullpen. I 527 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: think that they're still interested in bringing Hopman back. They 528 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: got to work on the back end of the bullpen. 529 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: They've got to give themselves some starting pitching depth and 530 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: give themselves a little bit of a different look in 531 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 4: the outfield. So there's a lot of work to be done. 532 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: It's not necessarily fighting against Soto, but they also have 533 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: to put themselves in a position to make sure that 534 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: they're they're going to do what they can to defend 535 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 4: the National League East title. 536 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 6: You mentioned you mentioned protection before we delve into the 537 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 6: Phillies a little bit bit more. But he's gonna miss 538 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 6: Aaron Judge, Wan Soona is gonna miss Aron Judge behind him, 539 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 6: and he may get a lot of depending on how 540 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 6: he's going, he might get a lot of Barry Bond's treatment. 541 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 6: Because that was a hell of a you know, when 542 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 6: a lineup everybody kind of works together and drafts off 543 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 6: each other, so like in a NASCAR race. And that 544 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 6: was a hell of a bat to have behind you 545 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 6: with the Yankees. What a one two punch. I I 546 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 6: would imagine that was part of his calculus when he 547 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 6: made his decision. He'd be you know, you're leaving the 548 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 6: most storied franchise in the history of sports, really, and 549 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 6: and and that on a historic level, you and Aaron 550 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 6: Judge are like the modern day Ruth and Garrick. But 551 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 6: in the end, it was all about the Benjamin's Juan 552 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 6: Soto and that's okay, that's okay, And it's all about 553 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 6: the Benjamins for the for the New York Mets. They 554 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 6: got them, they got the money. And what they did 555 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 6: is did something that doesn't usually happen to the Yankees. 556 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 6: They took a great Yankee. You know, usually it's the 557 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 6: Yankees bringing in that great player and fitting him for 558 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 6: Navy blue pinstripes. And they took away a Yankee and 559 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 6: pulled them out of Navy bluepen stripes and have put 560 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 6: him into you know, Mets blue pinstripes. It's kind of 561 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 6: an amazing, you know shift in a way things have 562 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 6: been for a long time. 563 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 4: Jimmy mentioned the last time that happened was when I 564 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 4: got Cliff Lee on him or. 565 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's right, yeah, because they were going 566 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: hard on them, they. 567 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: Were going hard on him. 568 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned the money, jim And a couple of weeks ago, 569 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: I broke down what the Phillies penalty would be collective 570 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: bargaining tax would be if they signed Sodo, and I 571 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: used the hypothetical forty one million dollars a year AAV 572 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: and obviously he got fifty one million dollars a year AAV. 573 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: So I crunched the numbers last night, and if the 574 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Phillies projected payroll right now is two eighty two. So 575 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: say they signed Wan Soda for fifty one, that jumps 576 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: their payroll to three thirty three, they would be paying 577 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: seventy six point one million dollars in penalties in taxes 578 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: for going over those those four thresholds. Fifty three point 579 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: seven million of that of those penalties would be because 580 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: of Juan Soto, which would make it overall number and 581 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: salary and penalties for taxes over one hundred and four 582 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: million dollars. 583 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: So if the Phillies had. 584 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: Signed one so at at fifty one million dollar AV, 585 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted to look that up last night because 586 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: I was like, how much if they could have possibly 587 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: matched this number. 588 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 4: I mean, it's disappointing for the Phillies in some ways, 589 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 4: but as a as a as a person who was 590 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 4: in the front office, you're almost like re leaved, Okay, 591 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 4: this guy's off the board. Now I got to go 592 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: do my work. This guy's you know, you know he's 593 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 4: going to be in our division. It's going to be 594 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 4: we have to deal with them. But that's that's that's fine. 595 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 4: I got to go about my business now, and there's 596 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 4: things to be done. And I'm sure that Dave Nebrowski's 597 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 4: pounding the payment and doing everything he possibly can in 598 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 4: his suite right now to work, to work some magic, 599 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: to continue to improve his club. 600 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 6: There's a lot to be done, and there's a lot 601 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 6: going to be done for the Phillies and industry. Why 602 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: do you look at so the Yankees don't don't get Sodo, 603 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 6: the Red Sox don't get Sodo, the uh who Jay 604 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 6: is a Dodger, we're said to be in it. These 605 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 6: are teams now that you know, all have six hundred 606 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 6: million dollars that they were budgeting or six hundred plus 607 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 6: that they're budgeting for one guy that you know, I 608 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 6: don't know if that's going to be what they have 609 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 6: budgets for other guys. But they all got beefy wallets 610 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 6: that they can get to work and do some stuff. 611 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 5: So that's going to. 612 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 6: Be kind of very interesting on the industry. And then 613 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 6: you know, locally, the Phillies need to get to work here. 614 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 6: They have a number of holes outfield, left field, back 615 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 6: bullpen starting rotation, you know, clothes or whatever you want 616 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 6: to call it. And you know, some interesting guys that 617 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 6: I thought would have been fits Blake trying to Clay 618 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 6: Holmes in the back of the bullpen. Kyler O'Neill left 619 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 6: fielder with some pop, you know who hits left handed pitching. 620 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 6: They've all gone off the board in recent days. You know, 621 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 6: I'm very curious to see which way this Phillies team, 622 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 6: you know, approaches and fills some of these holes. And 623 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 6: it's you know, day one of the Winter meetings, and 624 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 6: I would imagine it's going to start soon. 625 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we will be. 626 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: We'll be here, like Ruben Jimini or in Dallas all 627 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: week for the Winter meetings. So check us back tomorrow, 628 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: check us back Wednesday. We're gonna get together and hash 629 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: stuff out. Maybe the Phillies will do something, give us 630 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: something interesting to talk about. But until then, I mean, 631 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: there's gonna be stuff going on anyway, so we'll have 632 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: plenty plenty to talk about. So guys, I'll see you 633 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: over in the lobby. Ruben, I'll see you. I'll be 634 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: waving to you off the set MLB Network absolutely a 635 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: few days. 636 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be fun. 637 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 5: Hey, Ruby, you look a little shiny. Put some powder on. 638 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to get 639 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 4: my uh, I'm gonna get my get my makeup going. 640 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that foundation working. 641 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: That's very important when you're on TV. Yeah, have a 642 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: nice have a nice base nice All right, guys, I'll 643 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: talk to you later. 644 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: Boys, It's nice Jeff. 645 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 7: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 646 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 7: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 647 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 7: wherever you get your podcasts. 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