1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: It's been almost thirty five years since the Beastie Boys 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: released the all time classic Licensed to Ill, and while 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: some of the record's lyrics and antics sounds dated as 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: a Porky's Movies, the album is still exceptional for Beastie 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Boys fans. Licensed to Ill is a glimpse into the 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: lives of m C A ad Rock, Mike d and 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: their first DJ producer, Rick Rubin. Their debut album as 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: a pastiche of inside jokes in musical inspiration pulled from 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: the classic rock and hip hop records they listened to 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: and Rick's college dorm room. Rick recently connected with Mike 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: d ad Rock and Spike Jones, who directed the New 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Beasties documentary. With Spike playing moderator. They teleport back to 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: the early eighties and talk about their lives leading up 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: to the release of Licensed to Ill. It's all here, 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: the inspiration behind Brass Monkey, Rix, Infamous Bubble Machine and 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: hy DJ Double R bailed on the Beastie's first big break, 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: opening up from Madonna on her Like a Virgin tour. 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: In this is broken record line of notes for the 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. It's been about twenty years 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: since Rick and Adam Horvits have talked, and like most 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Zoom calls, their reunion gets off to a glitchy start. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: Mike d kicks things off. Oh who's Adam, what's up, sir? 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: Ricky look different. It's good to see you. You look 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, No, that's a lot. That is an abomination, Mike. 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: He looked great. Don't start, Adam, don't start. Don't start. Rick. 26 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: First of all, very nice to see. It's been a 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: long long time. The last time I can remember a 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: speaking was that one of the Tibetan freedom shows. You 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: have a good memory. Then I don't remember that, and 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: that had to be. But I mean, just time wise, 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: putting a time stamp on it that was at least 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. It's unbelievable. It's surreal, and it makes 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: no sense. I mean, from my perspective, it makes no sense. 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: I'll say, I haven't I don't know why it worked 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: out that we've not hung out in that amount of time. 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm just I've been so busy, you know. I can 37 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: remember there was a little window of time that we 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: started spending a little bit of time together in Los Angeles, 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: right when you came to Los Angeles after I was 40 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: already there and um and I can remember we had 41 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: lunch at Hugos. God, damn, I don't remember anything. Oh yeah, 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: going back in the Hugo's days. Michael trying to talk 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: pasta Alla Mama. Yeah, Michael trying to talk right now. 44 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: We hung had a handful of times, and I remember 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: seeing you and I think some something happened that I 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: don't know what happened at the party for the Blood 47 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Sugar Sex Magic album. At the it was that album, 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: That's what happened. Oh. Like, uh, I got daggers today 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: coming with all the cylinders. You guys, we can we 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: can see, we can see, we can see. I'm in 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: I'm in a mood today, dude. I adam for your 52 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: along with your daggers. I think you need like you 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: need a bank of sound effects like you know, Doug Siren. No, no, no, 54 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm just in a mood. Let's get all the dagger out. 55 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: Let's let's do let's what's and what's the show? Rick? 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: What what happens on your show? What's what is it? 57 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a show, it's a It's usually 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: a conversation. And I talked to different artists and they 59 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: tell me stories about what they do. It's not unlike 60 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: what happens in a recording session before the music gets made. 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: That's typically what it's like, just kind of and and 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: especially if it's someone that I don't know learning who 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: they are. Can I start with a question, which I 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: know is but I'm just curious, so I want to 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: ask it. Do you find that you more often find 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: out things that you don't know about people that you 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: do know when they're doing your show, Or do you 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: find stuff about somebody you do know that's doing your 69 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: show more so in an unexpected way than somebody who 70 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you don't know at all who's doing your show where 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: you have no background. In both cases, I learned a 72 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: tremendous amount about the people I'm talking to. It's maybe 73 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: more unusual with people that I know, because I get 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: to talk about things that we don't normally talk about, 75 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about even from the time that 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: we knew each other back in the day, stuff we 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: never talked about, Like I wanted to ask you guys 78 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: about high school, Like I don't know what your experience 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: in high school, and I was just curious, Like, wow, 80 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: I was around it was about the time you guys 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: were just either just ending high school or just recently 82 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: ending high school, and like, what was that like? We 83 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: never talked about that. Well, it's funny to think, actually, 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: as you say that, because we spent so much time 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: in your dorm room, I've never once pictured you in 86 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: a class. I had no idea. I've never even thought 87 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: that you actually like attended class. Yeah, I didn't. I 88 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't attend many. Right, Well, it's interested conversely, when we 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: were in your dorm room us because we were not 90 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: going to school, right, So it's like, yeah, but that's 91 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: a good point. We never ever talked about we I 92 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: never ever asked you about n y U ever. We 93 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: just for our perspective, we just thought, well, this is cool, 94 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: Like this guy lives in a dorm, he's going to college, 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: and we're in high school. So this like, this is cool. 96 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: Like you were like, we thought you were going to 97 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: be the cool like you turned you know, you're like 98 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: the cool, excitely older guy. And then and then also mistakenly, 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: I think we thought, wow, we're gonna be hanging out 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: in this dorm, which just means we're gonna beat like 101 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: tons of girls, and this is gonna be great, and 102 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: we never talked to anybody. It was not. But it 103 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: was not like that mean for you to mind, Adam. 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: What was your what was your school experience like on 105 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: st um? Well, I was. I went. I was supposed 106 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: to go to Brooklyn Heck, because I wanted to go 107 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: to Stuyveson, but I didn't get in, and so I 108 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: went to Brooklyn Tech. And that was just too weird. 109 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: That's a whole other story, but tell it, tell that story. 110 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: What was weird about it? No, Brooklyn, Like I wanted 111 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: to go to Stuyveson because my best friend Arthur went there, 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: and um and I didn't get in. So I went 113 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: to the other school you could go to was a 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: technical school in Brooklyn, and it was massive and they 115 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: had like metal detectors to get in and it was 116 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: this huge technical school and I, like I quickly realized 117 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: after like the third day, like this is not for me. 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's fright. It was just so overwhelming. 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Looking back, I wish I would have actually stayed and 120 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: learned something technical actually what could have helped me? But 121 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: um so I just stopped going to school for a while. 122 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: And then my dad got me into the school Mcberniey. 123 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: That was a private school of town, and I was 124 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: there for a couple of years and then I stopped going, 125 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: probably right around the time I met you. And not 126 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: that the two things, not that two things are related. 127 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what was the experience like of the school, 128 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: Like what were the kids like the experience going going 129 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: to school? Because I was also I got into graffiti 130 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: because we were into graffiti and so like that was 131 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: the fun part about getting to school. Is just like 132 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: being on the train and watching this, you know, just 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: seeing who was on there and all that stuff in 134 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: the school. The first school was was just overwhelming. It 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: was I can't even describe. It was just huge with 136 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: thousands of kids. It was just a massive school. And 137 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: then McBurney was like a preppy school. It was like 138 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: a I don't know, I just seemed felt really out 139 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: of place there. I felt kind of dirty, like my 140 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: clothes are dirty. Well can you tell tell us the story, Adam, 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: Why you never returned to mcbernie Oh? Yeah, So they 142 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: had the school play was gonna be Oliver, and so 143 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: I did. They had auditions and I and I sang 144 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: for the audition. Consider yourself at home and I never 145 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: really sang out loud before, and I was so bad 146 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: that I just left the school that never went back. Incredible, 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: But I will say I think you'd be a good 148 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: artful artful dodger artful, be good like even now then 149 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: now in between, I know, but it was singing. I 150 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: can't say, as you know, I can't sing. I mean 151 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: I can, but it's just bad. Yeah, yeah, it's not 152 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: You're you know, you're not rapping Forte, I get it, Adam. 153 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: Did you get into graffiti before before hip hop music 154 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: or were they simultaneous later later hip hop later? No? 155 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Rap music first? Definitely okay, And do you remember what 156 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: were the record stories that you guys hung out in. 157 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: Did you guys hang out record stores all? I knew 158 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: you hung out at rat Cage, But was that like 159 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: the first record store where you would like spend time 160 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: but like the rat Cage you were at like that 161 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: that was the first record store where I, like, I 162 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: felt comfortable talking to the person behind the counter. I 163 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: would go to breaker Bob's all the time, like get 164 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: like get off the train coming home from school like 165 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: a bleaker Bob's, and I'd be terrified because Bob was 166 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: always there. You yell at you know, yell at you 167 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: yell at me. And he had that huge Doberman pincher. 168 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: She was scary and yeah, and they were always mean 169 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: to me. Do you mean to everybody? You would always 170 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: say random, weird jewish stuff. To me, I was just 171 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: like a little kid. I just wanted to find out 172 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: about what cool, what was new? It was cool and 173 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know and they were so neat, but then 174 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: there was cool. I do remember going to nine nine Records. Yeah, 175 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: that's where I hung out. I loved I loved nine nine. 176 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: My memory of the of those days were that the 177 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: whole schedule of the day was based around going to 178 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: the club. Did you guys feel that way as well 179 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: or no? Oh? Yeah, like that was the that was 180 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: really the primary thing every day was what club was 181 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: going to be that night, if there was going to 182 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: be a band if not, what DJs to go to 183 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: see and where to hang out. Well that's why the 184 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Rackage Records Star was great because it was the first 185 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: record store that kids hung out at for me, at least, 186 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean the other recordsters that I used to go to, 187 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, kids wouldn't really hang out and Bleaker Bob's maybe, 188 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: but that I didn't like it there, and so Rackage 189 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: was like a meeting place, like a hangout place. And 190 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: later your dorm room was going moving the needle forward along, 191 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: like when we would hang out with you and we 192 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: go to your dorm room. I remember like every day 193 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: like it was just kind of like go to your 194 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: dorm room and then figure out what we were doing 195 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: that night, and what we were doing that night always 196 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: revolved around what club we were going to. I remember 197 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: it always being around music. Even during the day. We 198 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: would make mixtapes and sometimes sit out on the front, 199 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: uh the front of the dorm with boom box and 200 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: listen to music. And it seemed like that's all that 201 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: it was. That's all it was going on. All that 202 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: seemed important was music and what we were going to 203 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: eat and what we were going to listen to. And 204 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: my it was clearly focused on hooking up. I was interested. 205 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: I wasn't very good, uh in that arena, yeah, but 206 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, but I was interested. Where did the original 207 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: Volkswagen emblem come from? That was from my friend Laura Shilson. 208 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: It was on her wall. So wait, wait, I understand, 209 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: but it wasn't on her wall on that chain. Yeah, 210 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember there. I think she just had it 211 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: on the wall. She took it off a car, and 212 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: for some reason I had it and then put it 213 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: on a string and then you took it. That's what 214 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: I love about being a teenager, how much stuff just 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: sort of goes from one kid to the next to 216 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: the next. I just I remember. I feel like I 217 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: feel like you and Yea came over and it was 218 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: like you gave it to me in a glorious presentation. Yeah. 219 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I like my revisionist history. I feel like like something 220 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: like it's almost like I feel like I was knighted, 221 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: like you guys gave me bestowed. It was bestowed upon 222 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you upon me, and then I could become Mike D. 223 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to dispute that, because think about it, what 224 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: have I ever given you? I feel like I feel 225 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: like I remember this happening though, I feel like I 226 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: was there for that. Yes, but I do feel like 227 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: and I don't know how it ended up being on 228 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: the chain, because I don't think it was on that 229 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: chain somehow, like that chain was like sitting around and 230 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: I don't remember that exactly, but I remember them. Once 231 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: I started wearing that, it was kind of like then 232 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: it was like I felt like everybody felt like, all right, 233 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: I could I could beat Mike d Now that was 234 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: your Superman cave. Yes, it was wow when you first 235 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: met these guys, what was like? What are Can you 236 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: think of a time where there sometimes when you were like, oh, 237 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: I get them, I understand who they are, Like I 238 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: understand who Yaki is or who Adam is or who 239 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Mike is. Like, what was your sense of that? Well? 240 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: I remember meeting Adam first through Dave Skilkin, and I 241 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: remember Dave Skilkin was sort of in my mind the glue, 242 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: like he was a kid who was just uh, super 243 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: friendly and outgoing, which I don't think any of any 244 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: of us were. I thought we met you and I 245 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: met because of Nick Cooper. Could be wrong. I remember 246 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: Nick Cooper, but I didn't remember that's how we met. 247 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: I do remember I remember Nick Cooper telling us about 248 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: you and being like, yeah, there's this I I you 249 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: gotta meet him because we we put cooking us out. 250 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: We really needed a DJ. It's like, you gotta meet him. 251 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: He's into like the stuff that you guys are into, 252 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: and he's a d K and he's got all the equipment. 253 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: According to Nick and Wheber I asked your He's like, 254 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: he's got a bubble machine. That was his big line. 255 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: It's true. I'll see that. I'm it's true. Rick is 256 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: confirming the bubble It's true that I had I had 257 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: access to aubble machine. Okay, I never know. You were 258 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: writing the book, you were like Rick, and no, I 259 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: said the bubble machine, and You're like, I don't think so. 260 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: And then you called Rick and Rick was like, yeah, 261 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't know about bubble machine. I was like, you 262 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: both are crazy, because there was definitely a bubble was 263 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: a bubble machine. Why else would you want to meet 264 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: someone exactly they have a bubble machine. Okay, I'll go 265 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: the funny. The funny thing is is that the bubble 266 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: machine was something that just was at the dorm. It's like, uh, 267 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: and when I heard that there was a bubble machine there, 268 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, wow, we gotta have a party. We 269 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: have a bubble machine now, so let's have a party. 270 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: And that was where the bubble machine story began. Rick. 271 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: But I'm curious that about like just what your relationship 272 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: with each of them was, Like I can remember spending 273 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: the most time with Adam, and it seemed like our 274 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: friendship had mostly to do with music, because that's what 275 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: we We just listen to music all the time, as 276 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: I recalled, and d Jay in music. And then I 277 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: think I met the other guys through the story of 278 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Cookie Puss, after Cookie Puss was already out, and then 279 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: wanting a DJ, and then I came to a couple 280 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: of shows in DJ after the after the live set. 281 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: As I recall hard to remember first impressions. I remember 282 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: seeing Mike before I met Mike at the Grille one night, 283 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: and I remember someone saying, Oh, that that's one of 284 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the guys in the Beastie Boys, And I remember thinking 285 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: it was just like, uh, it was just a weird 286 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: I had a weird impression, not good or bad, just 287 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: like he's a kid, feels like maybe my age, maybe 288 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: a little younger, and he's in a band, and and 289 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I remember he was I think, I think you may 290 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: have been pretty inebriated that night, Mike, and I just 291 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: remember thinking, Wow, this guy seems like a little like uh, 292 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: it seems like revd Up, you know, like revd Up. 293 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: He's like tough, tough guy, Mike, You mean like he's 294 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: just like bad boy. No, no, no, just like like 295 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: enjoying himself. Like he was hitting it hard. Yeah, he 296 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: goes hard in the paint. He went hard in the pain. 297 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: He was going hard in the paint and it was impressive. 298 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: Come on. I don't remember him being inebriated that night, 299 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: which doesn't mean that I wasn't. But what I do. 300 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: What I do I do remember is two things. One 301 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: is that was a really really important for like us, 302 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: for you, Rick is like a part of us, like 303 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: because that was like where we really saw like hip 304 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: hop came, like I talked about it in the book, 305 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: where hip hop came downtown and all of a sudden 306 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: there's the Treacherous Three And then I think it was 307 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: like the next week was Africa, Benbada and Chassy j 308 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: If it wasn't that night whatever, and it was like this, 309 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: it was the most exciting thing. But so my thing 310 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: in terms of compensated, I think there's like, of course 311 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: I was completely It's funny cause I like I think 312 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: about I think back on those n grill nights and 313 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I think, wow, I was like so intimidated, was so 314 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: scared to be there. But I was lucky every second 315 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: of it. I was. There was no like club night. 316 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: Maybe that was more influential or exciting to me, but 317 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: but I was compensating for being intimidated. Probably like because 318 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: I was with like my group of like friends, I 319 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: was probably acting like, oh, yeah, I got this, but 320 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: I definitely didn't have it at all. Rick, Well, what 321 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: did you know about about the Beastie Boys at that 322 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: point or what did you what was your impression of him? 323 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Had you ever heard of him? I don't think I 324 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: knew anything. I think the first thing that I heard 325 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: of the Beastie Boys was Cookie Posts, which I loved, 326 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: and I remember I was in San Francisco and I 327 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: heard it at she was a writer and a yeah. 328 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: I think it might have been in Powers and I 329 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: think I was stay staying at her like lofty place, 330 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: and I think I heard it there. I don't know 331 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: if she played it or if I heard it on 332 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: the radio in San Francisco when I was there, but 333 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: I remember the connection of being at her house and 334 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: hearing it and um, and I thought, wow, that's really 335 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: cool because I was really really into hip hop at 336 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: the time, and I felt like it was the first 337 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: punk rock expansion towards hip hop. That's what it felt like. 338 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: It was as much a punk I would say it 339 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: was as much a punk rock record as it was 340 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: anything else. Compared to hip hop records, it was punk rock, 341 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: but compared to other punk rock records, it was more 342 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: hip hop. And I remember thinking, wow, it's really cool 343 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: and and it and it had a and I remember 344 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: laughing at it and laughing at it with it, you know, 345 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: like laughing with it, thinking this is really funny, it's 346 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: really good. And I remember I remember, I remember Yak 347 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: and his motorcycle jacket and his long raincoat, and at 348 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: one point I felt like him and Nick Cooper kind 349 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: of had a similar raincoat vibe, you know that raincoat vibe. Yeah. 350 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: I don't remember how I met Nick Cooper, but I 351 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: remember that to me, it felt like an anomaly. But 352 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: in both cases, the raincoat vibe was not something you 353 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: saw kids in New York wearing like it was. It 354 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: was a fashion statement to where uh long, somewhat dressy raincoat. Yeah. Yeah, 355 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: the raincoat vibe played played strong when I first met 356 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Yak at that This Bad Brains show at Botany Talkhouse, 357 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: and he was the only other kid my Agia was there. 358 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is the kids wearing like 359 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: a trench coat and his combat boots and his like 360 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: hairs spiked up, like this kid's really cool. Yeuck actually 361 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: kept that raincoat thing for that trench coat for a 362 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, that trench coat vibe worked, I was 363 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: gonna say. I also remember Yak's obsession with the Bad Brains, 364 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: like it felt like nothing else in the world existed 365 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: other than the Bad Brains and kept that going for 366 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: a long time too. Yeah, And I uh remember as 367 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: a as a music fan seeing that sort of obsessive 368 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: dedication and just thinking, wow, he's really again going hard, 369 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: like he's going hard for this thing that he loves. 370 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: Did you do you feel like you've got the answers 371 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: that you wanted? Yeah? Well, actually I'm always curious what 372 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: what uh I mean? When you're like eighteen, it's kind 373 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: of hard, Like how would you describe somebody you meet? 374 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: Is kind of hard because it's more about like what 375 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: what common interests like having the same music interests, But 376 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: did you have a sense during like just not knowing 377 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: these guys then how you would describe each of them? 378 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: I never really thought about it. I did feel like 379 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I definitely felt that I felt like, UM, the place 380 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: that I grew up in and and the people I 381 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: was around and where I grew up I had a 382 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: big impact on what I what I saw, what I knew. 383 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: I felt like their life experience was very different than mine, 384 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: and it was just interesting and in some ways, Um, 385 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: I thought it was a good thing, and in some 386 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: ways I thought it was a bad thing from from 387 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: my perspective, And what way and what way was it good? 388 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: What way was it bad? You're talking about like a 389 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: long night link kid versus a city kid kind of right, Yeah, 390 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: I would say like they had better access than I had, 391 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: because this is pre Internet. Like now, everyone could find 392 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: out anything they want about anything. Where I was, it 393 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: was hard to find out anything about anything I would. 394 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: I'd spend a lot of time in the library doing research, 395 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: and even and even that research wasn't sort of cultural 396 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: of the moment research, It was just what I could 397 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: learn about the things I was interested in. And then 398 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time in record stores is my 399 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: closest way of having any connection to culture because where 400 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: I lived, there wasn't it didn't really exist. Although there 401 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: was a club called there are a couple of nightclubs, 402 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: and I did get to see like the Specials played 403 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: in my hometown, which was remarkable. Um on the downside, 404 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: I felt like maybe by living in the city, it 405 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: might narrow the view of what was cool, Like I 406 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: didn't know what was cool coming from where I came from. 407 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: And the beauty of that was I could I could 408 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: see and hear everything. There was very little peer pressure 409 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: about about that where I lived, whereas I could see 410 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: if you were in the city there was stuff that 411 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: was cool to like it not cool to like, and 412 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: that could have a limiting effect. I mean, I guess, yeah, 413 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: I heard led Zeppelin playing from like other kids at school, 414 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: but because kind of like to your point, I had 415 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: already decided, like I was so set on making my 416 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: identity about being into stuff that those kids weren't into, 417 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't hear led Zeppe. But then when we were 418 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: in your dorm room and all of a sudden, you know, 419 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: you put on when the levee breaks, We're like, was 420 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: this It's like the best thing ever? Or like a 421 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: C D C or you know, what do you tell me, Mike? First, 422 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: tell me your memories of the dorm room. First of all, 423 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: it's the first college dorm I'd ever have been in 424 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: period here in high school. Um, I remember like just 425 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: being intimidated, like going up to the desk and I 426 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: guess it must have been like maybe Mr Rick Rick 427 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: Mazilla the desk and like having to get the pass 428 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: or whatever to go up in the elevator being you 429 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: get the visitor pass because we're visiting you, and then 430 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: I and then I remember being kind of confused because 431 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: you had a roommate, but then you I think you 432 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: had a roommate, right, I actually need you to kind 433 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: of like explain this to us, but I think you 434 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: had a roommate when we first went there. But you 435 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: had this huge p A in the in the dorm 436 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: room with like to sir Win Vega, you know, like 437 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: there's like the biggest PA I've ever seen, like like 438 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: somebody that I knew have. And then with the turn 439 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: tables and like the drum machine and everything and so 440 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: so we loved it and we're impressed it all this equipment, 441 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: but I was very confused. I was like, wait, how 442 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: does Rick just like we were listening to music really 443 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: loud in your dorm room, which and I loved it. 444 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: But how were you How is this guy able to 445 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: do this and like not get kicked out of the 446 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: dorm room and where is this roommate? Like I was 447 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: just a lot of questions. Yeah, yes, all all of that, Adam, 448 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: what were your what were your memories of the dorm room? 449 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: You know, first of all, I was looking for a 450 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: place to be basically, you know, sort of in life 451 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: and literally like not going to school and needing somewhere 452 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: to be. But also being around you know, older kids 453 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 1: is cool when you're younger, you know, intimidating, but you know, 454 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of cool. You're like, oh, you kind of think 455 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: that you're one of the you know, older kids now. 456 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: And it was just it was just cool, you know, 457 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: especially going to your dorm room. You had just the records, 458 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: this stuff like you know, two turntables, a drum machine. 459 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: I was like, I loved it. I didn't have you know, 460 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: I didn't have that stuff. I didn't have all those records, 461 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: So it was great. I loved it. I mean, yeah, 462 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: like Ricky talked about access, and yes we did we 463 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: did have like growing up in New York City when 464 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: we talked about in the book and the show whatever 465 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: your woe was a huge thing to us, that we 466 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: would just hear music all around us, or that we 467 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: go to rackcas because we want to find out what's 468 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: happening that night, and somebody say, oh, this thing's happening, 469 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: and we would just go there because we had this 470 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: access as teenagers. But but in your dorm room, it 471 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: was just really exciting because I went out of sid 472 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: we would I remember, like I was my I was 473 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: again like kind of confused, but so impressed when you 474 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: you would come off, you would I think I felt 475 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: like you would come if they delivered it to you, 476 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: or if you'd come back every week with like a 477 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: great record from the record pool. Yeah, and you remember that, 478 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: and we'd all go we'd go through them and put 479 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: like basically everyone on to see what was good, what 480 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: we like, what we didn't like, whatever we listened to 481 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: every twelve inch from that week. That was such like 482 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: an exciting Like I didn't I didn't have the like 483 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: I had the money to get a single, like a 484 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: rap single every once in a while, but I certainly 485 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: would never think and never had the money to buy 486 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: two copies of the same record. That just seems nuts 487 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: and so to go to your place and you had 488 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: two copies of all these singles that I loved, and 489 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: we had two turns. It was just amazing. You know, 490 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: it was nice to see you too. Obviously I should 491 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: I feel used. I never did get that Bubba machine access. 492 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: But then also I think and Adam and I've talked 493 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: about this, like there was it was interesting. We felt 494 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: like we were trying to just think back at you know, 495 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: when we first like we met you, then we started 496 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: working with you. It's like you especially like once you 497 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: started starting, when you started producing uh with us and 498 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: producing our records, it was like you had this confidence Rick, 499 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: that was like you know, it's not like every either 500 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: any of us were like, well Rick, what what record 501 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: have you done? You know what I mean? Like and 502 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: and we're all whenever, we're all of its eighteen years old, 503 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: but it's like you had this confidence, like you knew 504 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: how you wanted things to sound. And looking back at it, like, 505 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm just so impressed honestly with that, Like who It's 506 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: got to be pretty rare that somebody like eighteen, nineteen, 507 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: twenty years old knows how they want, like what kind 508 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: of what types of records they want to make Yeah, 509 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: it's it's weird. I I definitely knew, I had a 510 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: clear vision of what I wanted to hear. Really as 511 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: a fan, it wasn't It was more, um, I just 512 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: loved it, and I knew how certain things made me feel, 513 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: and I wanted more of the ones that made me 514 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: feel good and less of the ones that didn't make 515 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: me feel as good. And it was very pure. It 516 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: was the same way, the same way that you connected 517 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: to it. I just and I think maybe part of 518 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: it might have been that I didn't have brothers or sisters. 519 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: You guys both had siblings, and I think that changes it. 520 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: It's like I spent most of my time until I 521 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: started hanging out with you guys by myself, so it 522 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: wasn't The only opinion that I was around was my own. 523 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have an older brother playing me 524 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: music I didn't have. I didn't have it all sort 525 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: of had. I had to find it and and see 526 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: what resonated with me. And it had very little to 527 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: do with the people around me, because like in my 528 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: high school, nobody like punk rock. I was the only 529 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: person who like punk rock, So I had no sense 530 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: of community at all. When I started listening to hip hop. 531 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: At least there were a couple the kids in my 532 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: high school who liked hip hop. Well, I'm gonna change 533 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: the subject for a sec because there is something that 534 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to know Rick. Yes, So, Spike, I don't 535 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: know if you know this, But so we got the 536 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: gig to open from Madonna on tour and Rick was 537 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: the BC Boys DJ DJ Double R. And we played 538 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: a couple of shows, um, and then he was gone 539 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: and uh. And he said that his doctor said he 540 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 1: had an inner ear situation that he couldn't fly. And 541 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: so I thought that that answer couldn't fly. And so 542 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: now I'm asking you, Rick, did you just not want 543 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: to do it? Or did you really have an ear problem? True? 544 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: Both both answers are flying with me. No, no no, no, 545 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: of course true. I went to the the clinic on 546 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: fourteen There was a ear, nose, and throat clinic on 547 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: four Teams. I had never been there before, and I 548 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: went there and they said, you have a terrible infection 549 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: in your ear. You gotta take these drugs and you 550 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: cannot fly. If you fly, you'll probably lose your hearing 551 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: in that ear. So that was and we and I 552 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't remember us talking about it. 553 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: But also maybe part of the reason we didn't talk 554 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: about it was because it was the tour was already ongoing, 555 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: wasn't it. It was like we were so I feel 556 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: like we did, Like, no, you don't. You flew out, 557 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: Like you started the tour with us in like Seattle 558 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: and Portland or something, and then for some reason you 559 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: had to fly back to New York. But we were 560 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: still on tour and you were you were supposed to 561 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 1: meet us again, like in Los Angeles or something, and 562 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: then instead of meeting us, you're like, you know you 563 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: you had the ear infection. Yeah, now we're finding out 564 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: was legit. But at the time we were like ear infection, Well, 565 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything. Feel free to ask me. Everything 566 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: was always legit. It's like, I don't I would have 567 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: loved to. I loved being in the band, I loved 568 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: doing the shows. It was it was completely thrilling. I 569 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: loved it. I feel in some ways it's like the 570 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the universe has this incredible power to affect my ear 571 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: and make me stay in one place. And then it 572 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: led to me focusing all my attention into production instead 573 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: of being in a band which could have been like 574 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: it could have been, that could have happened, and it 575 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: just sort of worked out the way Maybe it was 576 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: supposed to. I don't know. It feels like in retrospect, 577 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: looking back, I would have never made that choice. While 578 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: I'll say I didn't like traveling, I loved the experience 579 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: of playing in the band. It was super fun. I 580 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: thought the shows were great, Like I can remember I 581 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: can remember us playing at Radio City and uh, just 582 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: how much the audience didn't like it, And I just 583 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: thought it was incredibly punk rock and fun. I can 584 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: remember Madison Square Garden and thinking it was in It 585 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: was just like, we're playing at Madison Square Garden. Can 586 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: you believe this? We didn't even really we didn't have 587 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: an album out. It was unbelievable, Right, What were the 588 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: shows like? Rick? Uh? It was? It was funny because 589 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: we got to do the the Crazy Beastie Boys show 590 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: and lean into the craziness of uh of this sort 591 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: of hell persona, the bad guy persona, and in front 592 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: of an audience where it was completely inappropriate, which made 593 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: it even funnier. It's like, it's it's like if you're 594 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: if You're if you're doing a punk rock show in 595 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: front of a punk rock audience, there's this camaraderie there. 596 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: And if you're doing a punk rock show in front 597 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: of people who are not feeling it, it really gets 598 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: punk rock. It's like it gets it gets elevated to 599 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: this other thing, not for anybody but us. I mean 600 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: I found it thrilling. Um, I'm I know the audience 601 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: hated it, but that was sort of part of the 602 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: fun of it. Why then't even more than hated it? 603 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: And and I think that's where it became thrilling to us, 604 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: was that like these twelve year old girls and maybe 605 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: more importantly their parents were genuinely horrified. They were they 606 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: were repulsed. I mean, and to be right, I had 607 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: to be there. We're a bunch of like little white 608 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: kids yelling at them on stage like you should be. 609 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: It's like, what was offensive? And yeah, and for the record, 610 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: like Ricky, you know you obviously had a big that 611 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: was that was another thing like along with introducing us 612 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: to heavy metal led Zeppelin, Sabbath, b C, D C. 613 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: You we also like the wrestling thing was never cool. 614 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: That was uncool to us, right because we were these 615 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: punk rock kids it's still uns uncol to everybody, but 616 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: you were totally you d like this like vocabulary in 617 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: that world, and you immediately saw like this opportunity with 618 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: the madonitory that like, oh, it was like obviously you like, no, guys, 619 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: what do you mean, You're just gonna be It's just 620 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: like wrestling. You know, you had So it's just pretty 621 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: weird to think about. Most people don't think about, like 622 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: if you have a band, it's going to open up 623 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: for this somebody who was like a cultural icon who 624 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: couldn't have been you couldn't have had a bigger on 625 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: the planet at that moment. Madonna like the biggest star 626 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: in the world. Most people just thinking like, how do 627 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: you put a good show together? And you you saw 628 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: it through this totally other lens. It was like, no, 629 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: it's obvious, it seems like wrestling. Well, the other part 630 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: of it was is, no matter what we did, the 631 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: audience was there to see Madonna and they weren't gonna 632 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: like what we did regardless. So to to really lean 633 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: into that idea of well where the we're the bad 634 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: guys here? Where where the enemies and too and to 635 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: overcome that to play it with all this bravado, like 636 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: you're here to see me and like it's just so ridiculous, 637 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: so funny. Adam, do you remember the stuff you said? 638 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: I remember you said some really most come on, you guys. 639 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: Most remember the big, the best and biggest flowing was 640 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: I am the King of the Paramount, Like whatever theater 641 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: we are at, That's how Adam would open up the show, 642 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: I am the King. Um, you know Madison Square Garden. 643 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: Do you, Adam, do you see the humor in this now? Really? Now? 644 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: Of course I do. It's you're like, I you have 645 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: this space like I didn't like it? No, no, no, no, 646 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: we we also we also just did this show a 647 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: bunch of times in the movie, and it's like it's 648 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: fresh in here. Um, it was amazing, it was hilarious. 649 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a it's not a it's 650 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: not a wild idea, but it's a it's a it 651 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: is a great idea. You know, they're not gonna like us. 652 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: They're certainly not gonna love us. They might possibly be 653 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: like I didn't like that, But if we can guarantee 654 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: that they remember us by saying I fucking hated that, 655 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: and I will hate this and have this memory of 656 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: hatred for a long long time. That's an interesting way 657 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: to get your music through to somebody. Yeah, and it worked, 658 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: It worked, and we but I remember the time like 659 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: being convinced because it was like we look at it 660 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: in this like feedboy way of like, yeah, we're gonna 661 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: make a name for ourselves, and we did. Rick. One 662 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: thing I want to ask about just is a production 663 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: on the first record, the uh we you know, we 664 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit in the show, but obviously 665 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: we have so much but that like, as as a fan, 666 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: there's some bands that take a while to form, and 667 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: then some bands that just come out fully formed like 668 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: that in that record. And even just actually the way 669 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: these guys described you with the confidence, it sounds like 670 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: you kind of came out fully formed in some strange, 671 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, amazing way. What was like what was the 672 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: process of that first record. I can just remember that 673 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: every time there was a good idea, we would make 674 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: a new song. And I can remember the I remember 675 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: two parts. I remember the lyric writing, which would be 676 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: basically every night that we went out to the clubs. 677 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: I remember trading lines only with the hope of making 678 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: the other Remember laugh like I would always say stuff 679 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: that I would think would try to make Adam laugh 680 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: if we were hanging out, and if he laughed, I 681 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: would write it down and just collecting lines, and we 682 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: would both we would all do it back and forth 683 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: and and collect up these mountains of rhymes, not so 684 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: much with a subject or a song in mind. Most 685 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: of the time it was more just good lines. Then 686 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I can remember being in the studio sometimes with Adam, 687 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: sometimes myself, just making tracks because it's what I was 688 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: always doing, and would just make tracks and um and 689 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: just trying to make something interesting and and I don't 690 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: think I could separate it in my head, but I 691 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: knew the beats for l L were different than the 692 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: beats for the BEASTI Boys, and the beats for the 693 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: Best Boys were different than the beats for Run DMC. 694 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: And it seemed clear to me, But I can't put 695 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: a finger on what was different. But I knew as 696 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: they were as we were making them. It's like, oh, 697 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: this one, this one feels like LLLBAT and this one 698 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: feels like this could be a really good Beast Boys records, 699 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: those those like gated snare drums. I don't know. I 700 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: can't say I can't. I can't put a finger on 701 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: what it was. Do you remember sometimes making the record 702 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this is what, like it sort 703 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: of gave clarity to what the whole record is, like 704 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: a decision, a beat, a lion. No. I remember I 705 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: was in Electric Lady working on the Cults album Electric 706 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: and I got a call from Mike and Mike said, Hey, 707 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: how come my records not done yet? And do you 708 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: remember this? Mike, No, not at all. This was amazing 709 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: because I think this was like you guys were on tour. 710 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: I assume I was this must have been post ear infection. Well, 711 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: we're probably on Raising Hell at that point, and I 712 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: remember like a somewhat heated conversation where you were like, dude, 713 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: you did say do that like the equivalent of dude, 714 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: why is I mean, we're on tour? Why is our 715 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: album not done? And I said, you know, it doesn't. 716 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: And I remember it's like it doesn't just happen, Like 717 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't. Uh, it's not not happening because I don't 718 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: want it to happen. It. Uh, each of these things 719 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: arrives when it arrives, do you know what I'm saying? 720 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: It's like We didn't go into the studio every day 721 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 1: with the idea of, Okay, we're gonna make something today. 722 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: It was more like making beats in the dorm, listening 723 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: to records, like coming up with what us what a 724 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: track was gonna be, which sometimes would be six weeks 725 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: or two months between songs. You know, it took. It 726 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: was a long period of time. I can't remember from 727 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: the time that we made whatever the first song was 728 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: for that record. So we made the last song, I'm 729 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: guessing it was eighteen months. Could have been two years, 730 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: was It felt like a long time. And so also 731 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: the other thing you guys talked about in the show 732 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: Mike and I'm talking about in the show is going 733 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: away on tour and coming back and you'd finished the 734 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: record and mixed it, and they were surprised that it 735 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: was this big thing where they they thought they were 736 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: making a sort of more low fi punk rap record. 737 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: Uh talk about that? Was that something you always saw, 738 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: you always knew that that was the sound? Not at all. 739 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: I in any case, there was no preconception or what 740 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: something was supposed to sound like. It was just making 741 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: it sound as good as it could sound for what 742 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: it was. Whatever it was it's like the same it's 743 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: true with LLL or same it's true with raising Hell. 744 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't like there was no thought to it. And 745 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: the gated snare thing was like, uh, it's interesting you 746 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: bring it up because it was it was like a 747 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: moment in time, and I think it was really what 748 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: was the art of noise was that it was the 749 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: thing that got everyone excited about this kind of drum 750 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: sound and that was probably like experimenting in that art 751 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: of noisy way that led to that is my guests, 752 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: if you had if you had Art of Noise twelve 753 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: inch and Man Parish twelve inch, which one would you 754 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: put on first? Both? I like them both. You can't 755 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: put on both first, No, I wouldn't. Depends on it 756 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: depends on the scenario. Depends on the scene. So you 757 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: read a room, Yeah, what is it going off? Can 758 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: you turn the fucking roosters down in the next place? 759 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: Roosters are feeling it. The roosters are deeper than paint today. 760 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: Oh god, I wanted to ask Mike and Adam about 761 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: their memories of Chung King also. Oh man, yeah, so 762 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I Well, I'm feeling like I 763 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: remember I remember, I think I was. We were with 764 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: you Rick and we were talking and Jayburnett was like, oh, 765 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: you guys gotta work at this place. I don't. I 766 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: don't think he said chunk King's we I feel like 767 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: we named chunking. He's just like, you got oh a 768 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: seeking is called secret Society, then that's right. He's like, 769 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: you gotta work at the studio, my friends, studio secret Society. 770 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: But he was like talking about that guess like the 771 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: Nive console or something that stuff that as a kid, 772 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand, but he was all excited about it. 773 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: So we're like okay, Bet, and then we go there 774 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like, you know, we don't 775 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: really know about studios, but it's just like kind of bummy, 776 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, like it's not like nothing, there's nothing fancy 777 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: about it. It seems like every other week when we 778 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: go there one week and the next week like walls 779 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: like they always kept moving balls around. Yeah do you 780 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: remember that? Like, yeah, I do. I remember because it 781 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: was kind of a loft space that the guy built 782 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: out and he was just kind of moving stuff around. 783 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,280 Speaker 1: It was a weird place. I remember when we grew etied, 784 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: we graffitied the wall behind the console, and at first, 785 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: like I kind of remember, we got yelled at. And 786 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: then it became the thing of the studios that everybody 787 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: came there and did graffiti while they while they recorded. 788 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: I remember the first time that we went there, psyched, 789 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to recording studio. I've been to like 790 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: the Young and the Users recorded at a nice recording studio. 791 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: And this place was like a fucking dump. It was 792 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: fucking literally a dead fish in the fish tank. And 793 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: it was dark. It was like super dark, like everything 794 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: was dark. I was like, why why is it? Why 795 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: are we going to the scary like haunted house. Remember 796 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: walking up, it was like five flight walk up. It 797 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: was dirt, dingy, dirty place. Now. I remember the elevator 798 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: because it was all graffitied and somebody wrote their name. 799 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: It was all this graffiti and someone wrote jose Ninas 800 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: in the top corner And every time we got in 801 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: the elevator, we thought that was the funniest name. And 802 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: it literally we left every time we were in that 803 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: elevator because meanness is a funny last name. I feel 804 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: like we we laughed a lot at chum King. Yeah, well, 805 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: and on the way there and on the way out 806 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: like it was just it's like, I think part of 807 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: the key things about license to know what was making it. 808 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: It never felt like we're making an album like it 809 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: just felt like what you just said that it was 810 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: kind of like that was just part of all right, 811 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: wake up, go to your dorm room, listen to some records, 812 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, go to Cozy super Burger, then whatever club's 813 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: going on that night, and if there's an idea studio. 814 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't like now you know the cold, like Adam said, like, 815 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: it's not like we were making an album for this 816 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: amount of time. And actually it's funny. I think back 817 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: at you talking about me calling you and making that 818 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: phone call and asked like, what's up with the record? 819 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: I kind of now I'm thinking back at it, and 820 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: I remember we were on the Raising Hell tour and 821 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: I remember and being really excited run and Russell is 822 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: getting me all excited, like like you know, like you 823 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: got a call like what's taking so long with your album? 824 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,919 Speaker 1: Like you guys should be like run because he'd heard 825 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: like by that, you know, he was so excited about 826 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: Holding Now, which was hold It Now was like one 827 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: of those songs like we're talking about, like we were 828 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: out of the club. I remember, like we remember we 829 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: went in there and just played around like a bunch 830 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: of different like scratching things in off of records, and 831 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: I think we even put down the verses. And then 832 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: I remember you and Russell kind of like hearing it 833 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: after we've already already done some stuff, and you specifically 834 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: being really excited about it. You were like actually more 835 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: excited even than we were where you were like, yeah, 836 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: this this is it, Like this is this is what 837 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: you guys need to be making. It was mind blowing. 838 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: I loved it. Oh you know, quest Of just told 839 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: me a story the other day that I wonder if 840 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: you guys know this. In Philly, when Hold It Now 841 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: came out as a single, the version that was released 842 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: to radio was the a cappella, which we called the Acapulco. 843 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: And so in Philly people thought that the song didn't 844 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: have a beat or any music or anything. It was 845 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: just vocals. Yeah, it was just it was just vocals. 846 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: And he thought, Wow, this is the craziest record I 847 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: ever heard. It's just this rhyming and he said, And 848 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: it was really well liked in Philly, even though it 849 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: was such such a crazy you know, the first rap 850 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: record not to have any music and um and it 851 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: was a hit. And then when the album came out 852 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: and it had the beat, nobody liked it because they 853 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: were used to the acapella version, which they thought was 854 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: just like the greatest thing they ever heard. We were 855 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: talking to him and he would say something it just 856 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: reminded me of words that we tried to force into 857 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: like common you know speak. We'd pick random words and 858 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: be like, oh no, this is this is what people say. 859 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: Now I can't Why am I blank? I'm kind of 860 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm blanking on him so bad. But we 861 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: used we picked like a few different words or phrases. 862 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: It would be sometimes to be a phrase to like 863 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,720 Speaker 1: you'd hear you'd hear someone say something at the club 864 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: that was just normal to them and we would laugh, 865 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: like brass Monkey came from Jazzy j talking about what 866 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: you like to drink, and just like, yeah, it's like, 867 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: what's funnier than brass monkey? Oh my god, brass Monkey 868 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 1: is that was a crazy night with tel Rock. Tell 869 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: me I don't I don't remember. So you were producing 870 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: a record for a rapper named Tela Rock, and we 871 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: were going to go to the studio with you because 872 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: that we just that that's also what I like when 873 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 1: you're young, you're just you just go with your friend 874 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: wherever they're going. Like it's just funny to think about 875 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: going with your friend to their job, Like, no, you 876 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: can't come to my job. I'm working. What are you doing? 877 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: And so I didn't think about it. The place was 878 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: in Queens or Long Island or somewhere. It was like 879 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: it was like we had to take a car. It 880 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: was really far and me and Skill Calm were there 881 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: and it was just nuts. It just seems so growing. 882 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: There was like grown ups that we didn't know. I 883 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,879 Speaker 1: don't know Tiller Rock, but it was like a real 884 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: rap scene. It was just weird. And then Jazz J 885 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: passed around a bottle of brass Monkey and me and 886 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: Skill Comb were like, this is fucking delicious. Yeah, I 887 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't know that you guys, you guys actually drank it. 888 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The whole night was crazy. And then we 889 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: could separated in two separate cars and we're like in 890 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: Long Island, were like where are we and getting white Castle? Anyway, 891 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: it was it was a really it was a nice night. Yeah, 892 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: I remember going. I remember taking cars to white castles. 893 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: It was hard in Manhattan. It was hard to get 894 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 1: white castle probably for the best. But what do we 895 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: say because rope a dope, like in late eighties rope 896 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: and I'm just I just remember one word. We'd say 897 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,879 Speaker 1: that ship is dope, and they'd be like, that's dope. 898 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: It's rope a dope. And then we were like it 899 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's rope, and nobody like, did not 900 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: laugh rope. We said, but that should it did not laugh. 901 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,359 Speaker 1: That is so funny. It's too bad because it's kind 902 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: of great. Nobody else was like, oh, that's rope. I 903 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: forgot rope. Rope is great. We gotta bring back rope. 904 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,879 Speaker 1: Rope is really funny, though it's it's explaining the joke. 905 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: It's not that good. I feel like Flavor had a 906 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: lot of the flavors normal waves speaking, had a lot 907 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: of references that could work their way into songs. Like 908 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 1: of everyone we hung out with, Flavor was a gold 909 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: mine of phrases. I just want you to know the 910 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: last time I saw Flavor, I was in my car 911 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: in New York, stopped at a red light and he 912 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: got in my car and I was just like, what's 913 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: like someone's getting in my car and it's Flavor and 914 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: he's like, yo, let's up. Take me to like thirty 915 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: sixth Street, and so I drove him. I was like, 916 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: all right, good to see. Wow, it was nuts. Did 917 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: did you guys go to at all to the studio 918 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,360 Speaker 1: when Public Enemy was recording? No? I just remember I 919 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 1: remember going to their the radio show of the Spectrum 920 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 1: City UH show in Long Island and doing that, and 921 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: I remember just like listening with you and on our 922 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: own then when we're on like listening to the demo 923 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: for the song Public Enemy number one, like I mean 924 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: on repeat, Like I don't think there's a single demo. 925 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: There's no demo we listened to that much. Maybe a 926 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: single song that we listened to so incessantly it was 927 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: that was so mind blowingly good. It was incredible. I 928 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: remember listening to it all the time. I'm trying to 929 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: think with what were the other things that were like 930 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: that were like they really took over our lives for 931 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: a period of time. Can you remember, oh, Eric Eric 932 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: B for President? Yeah, well I didna say that school 933 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:07,399 Speaker 1: school D school, school E G S YO PSK people 934 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: and nothing but squares. Remember like how many times we 935 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 1: would listen to that in your dorm room and everywhere else, 936 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: like yeah, when he especially that thing of like school, 937 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,919 Speaker 1: like school, these whole intro on that thing, like nah, 938 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: no school, school, what time is it? What was his 939 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: DJ's name? Code? Money, money, get your feed code, my 940 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: code code? So good? Oh man, such good records, so funny. 941 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess whatever we are of a certain age, 942 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: so we that's but we will talk about often, like 943 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: it is incredible how many great rap records were coming out, 944 00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: like nine, like just mind blowingly good rap records. I'm 945 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: trying to remember which were the what were the other 946 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: ones that really like moved the needle for us? Sucker 947 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: MCS was everything obviously right, I read D m C 948 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: were the I mean they were the archetypes. They were 949 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: like you know, I mean the Jay talked so much 950 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: about performing and how to sort of put a rap 951 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: show together, um and how to you know, I think 952 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: that along with you how to put a rap record together. 953 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: Was there anything else that we had that wasn't out, 954 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,439 Speaker 1: like like with the Public Enemy tape. Howey, he's a demo. 955 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: I remember bis Market was out. I remeber when we 956 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: heard that first bis Marquee and talking about it with 957 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: D M C and Jay and being really excited about it. 958 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: You had a demo for uh slick Rick Children's story. Righ. 959 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: Remember loved that right right, because that was another thing. 960 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Lotti Dotting in the show. We must have 961 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: we must listened to a Lotti Dotting the show again, 962 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: unquantifiable amounts of times. Do you remember the story of 963 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: let me we're letting me clear my throat came from? 964 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: I have a vague I have a memory, but I 965 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,439 Speaker 1: don't know if it's accurate. No, tell me, I don't. 966 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 1: My memory was that on l L's demo tape that 967 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: you found in the box of demo tapes, that that 968 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 1: came to the dorm before he started rhyming, he said, 969 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: let me clear my throat, and and I remember that 970 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: we for whatever reason, it was the funniest thing we 971 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: ever heard. It made I mean it was, It wasn't 972 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: there was nothing funny about it, but somehow the idea 973 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: that that was the first thing said before the the 974 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: song starts. I know it's so easy to take that out, now, 975 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: do you know? It's so it's so easy. But back 976 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,440 Speaker 1: then you couldn't. You just you didn't know how to 977 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,399 Speaker 1: take stuff out, and just whatever you recorded was on there. Yeah, yeah, 978 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was nothing. But for some reason, 979 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: I remember we latched onto It's like, this is just 980 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,360 Speaker 1: the funniest thing we've ever heard. We just latched onto it, 981 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: and I can't remember how it ended up getting into 982 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 1: the song. I'm sure you were like, wait, let you 983 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: should say let you should scream at really angrily. That's funny. 984 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: It's so dumb. But again, it's the beauty of It's 985 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: in such a different context too, though, on this on 986 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,359 Speaker 1: our song as opposed to his demo tape. Yeah, well 987 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the montage of hip hop. That's 988 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,879 Speaker 1: how like pre contextualizing things that you find in the world. Yeah, 989 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: any other memories of dance Materia. I feel like that 990 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: was sort of the place that I remember we went 991 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: to the most. So many I mean so much, so many. Um, alright, 992 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: where are we sorrying? I mean really that it was 993 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: the first place since we would talk to girls. I 994 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,720 Speaker 1: thought you were you were just claiming junior high school status, 995 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: so you're doing all kinds of things. But all right, 996 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: dance there. I would say, like me, just like hearing 997 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: you didn't know. They were like the songs that you 998 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 1: would hear every every night, like uh uh app shoot 999 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: You Down, or or new or um Confusion you'd hear 1000 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: like every single night or didn't didn't medium, medium, medium, medium. 1001 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: My favorite top three favorite things of Danceingteria was being 1002 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: on that dance floor room, second floor, just in the 1003 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,320 Speaker 1: corner by the stairs, would always be hanging out. The 1004 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: music would be playing, people be dancing, and there was 1005 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: some guy in the middle of the crowd would be like, 1006 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:54,279 Speaker 1: wren't that body. It wasn't just like once, It was 1007 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: like every night. Memories of the Roxie. I remember the Rocks. 1008 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: I remember two things. I remember African Bambada playing, Uh, 1009 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: Tony Basil, You're oh, Mickey, You're so fine at the 1010 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,799 Speaker 1: Roxy so like you know, I'm there like a white 1011 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,000 Speaker 1: kid at the Rosy thing. It's like the most de 1012 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: boy place ever. And here's African Bambada, one of the 1013 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,720 Speaker 1: most important hip hop DJs ever, and he's playing Tony 1014 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: Basil like you know not, there's nothing that I thought 1015 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: of rap like music like that. When I associated with 1016 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: Tony Basil and I was just like, Wow, that's incredible 1017 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: that he could make Tony Basil old, Nicky, you're so fine. 1018 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: Work in the Roxy was incredible that and then I 1019 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,960 Speaker 1: just remember being scared to go to the bathroom at 1020 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,160 Speaker 1: the Roxy. Roxy. It was just it was just like 1021 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: dudes like selling coke and getting high and like shi, 1022 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,439 Speaker 1: it was scary. I just felt like I was gonna 1023 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: get robbed in the bathroom. Yeah, me too. Well. That 1024 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: that I remember because I went of Roxy when I 1025 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: was a kid because it was a roller skating place 1026 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: and so I don't I don't know how to roller scape, 1027 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 1: but like it's like a thing you go and hang 1028 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: out at the roller skating place. And so then later 1029 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: a few years later, Roxy was a thing where we 1030 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 1: would go to, you know, the disco, and I remember 1031 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: when we were there. I don't know it was the 1032 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: first time we're there, but then like sucking shots rang 1033 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: out and someone had a gun and was shooting and 1034 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: people running. I was like, this is not the same 1035 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: thing from when I was eleven, twelve, you know whatever, 1036 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: it's it was a place you put a bunch of 1037 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: teenage dudes in the same place. Some weird ship's going 1038 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: to happen. Why is that it is the case? But 1039 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: why teenage dudes is stupid? I don't know what to say. 1040 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that the Hey Mickey reference that the 1041 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: embody used and that probably lead that hearing that there 1042 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: probably was a step in why the song It's Tricky 1043 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: got made? Are there? You gonna say a world destruction 1044 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: and for him it's like the same beat? Yeah, because 1045 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: the world destruction is like the same beat. Yeah, yeah, 1046 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:14,520 Speaker 1: I just I just remember it's tricky being like feeling 1047 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: there were certain vibes that you would feel at a 1048 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: hip hop club that stood out that we're different than 1049 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: the others. It's like, hmm, how do you incorporate that? 1050 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 1: Because that definitely feels good, like we're in the club, 1051 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: this feels great. That's now part of the language. Like 1052 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 1: that felt like, okay, that's part of the language in 1053 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: hip hop and be if you were in a band 1054 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: and somebody in a band did a waltz beat instead 1055 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 1: of a four four beat, and you'd say, oh, that's 1056 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,560 Speaker 1: a new part of the vocabulary. You can write a 1057 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: song with a waltz beat, no matter to wald speat. 1058 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 1: I got, you know, I got tons of songs of 1059 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 1: Wald Speeds. Oh wait, one thing Wick I did want 1060 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: to say is you were talking about how I don't 1061 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: even know how to explain it to people, or maybe 1062 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: it's not even worth trying to explain. But like we 1063 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: were talking about opening from Madama, it that it's it's 1064 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,920 Speaker 1: also it's very interesting. Look obviously we've we've changed a 1065 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: lot through the years, but it's it's it's interesting to 1066 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 1: me because people know I feel like relate to us, 1067 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: or a lot of people know us just from like 1068 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: life and still little Beast Boys, and then there's a 1069 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: lot of people that grew up with us for a 1070 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: lot of stuff whatever, but a lot of people know 1071 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,320 Speaker 1: it's just like it's in that um incarnation license at 1072 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: all time. And I think it's interesting with you. You 1073 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 1: were like such a big part of like when we're 1074 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: opening up from the data and this like this whole 1075 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 1: idea like persona. But then people actually know you now, 1076 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,600 Speaker 1: like from your persona now, not from like like how 1077 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: you would talk then, And I don't even know how 1078 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,680 Speaker 1: to explain when I try to explain to people how 1079 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 1: you would talk in sort of like when you're excited about, 1080 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 1: like for wrestling, and how you would do that I 1081 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,400 Speaker 1: don't even know how to capture it or explain it. Yeah, 1082 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: it's definitely a ramped up character there, uh inspired by 1083 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: like Roddy Piper would be one of the key get 1084 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Rick Flair. The the guys who would who you'd want 1085 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: to see lose and who would often find a way 1086 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 1: to win through cheating. Um. But they were the funniest. 1087 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: They always like the bad guys in wrestling. The bad 1088 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: guys have the best lines. So they were the most 1089 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,480 Speaker 1: charismatic and funniest characters. So put on that air has 1090 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: to do with Youth, Michael, Youth, don't give a fuck. 1091 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. Great to see you, Adam, 1092 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I miss you, I love you, and I look forward 1093 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,400 Speaker 1: to continuing uh bridging bridging the years that that we've missed. 1094 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: I love you too. Nice to talk to you. Thank you, Rigors. 1095 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Great to see you, Spike A pleasure. I miss you. 1096 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 1: I mist see later you guys right. Thanks to Mike, Adam, 1097 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: and Spike for taking the time to catch up with Rick. 1098 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,040 Speaker 1: You can hear all our favorite Beast Voice songs plus 1099 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 1: the other songs mentioned in this episode by heading the 1100 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Broken Record podcast dot com and be sure to check 1101 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: out our YouTube channel where you can find some great 1102 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: bonus material for past episodes. You can subscribe at YouTube 1103 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: dot com slash broken Record Pods. Broken Record is produced 1104 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: with help from Jason Gambrel, Meal, La Belle, Leo Rose, 1105 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 1: and Martin Gonzalez for Pushkin Industries. 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