1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Why did I see seventy five planes spraying white stuff 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: into the sky on my fifteen minute drive to work? 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Does this have anything to do with why honeybees are 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: dying off really fast? Who the fuck thought this was 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: a good idea? 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jarie O'Shea. 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: I served in the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: living undercover all around the world. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: created conspiracies. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: In our operations. We got people to believe things that 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: were true. 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: news almost every day. 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: Will break them down for you to determine whether they 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: could be real or whether we're being manipulated. 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: Welcome commission implausible. 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: John. Let's talk about contrails or chemtrails as people like 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: to talk. So contrails, as you know, out of the 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: back of airplanes, these long white trails that look like clouds. 23 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: It's water vapors, superheated air that comes out of the 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: back of jet engines and inter interacts with. 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: A huge I live near Dullas Airport. I can see 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: lines of them in the sky. 27 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: And contrails actually go back to World War One when 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: like sop with camels were flying along going fast and 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: through the atmosphere, and they were a big concern actually 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: in World War Two. And this sort of takes us 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: into espionage, is that the Allies when they were bombing Germany, 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: or when the Germans were bombing London, the bombers would 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: leave kemp trails which would allow German fighters to shoot 34 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: them down. So the government actually became very interested in 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: understanding the science behind chemtrails coming right into the world 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: of CIA. We were very concerned and did do a 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: lot of study on kemp trails, mostly because of the 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: U two spyplane. The agency on the UTUWO actually installed 39 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: rear view mirrors so that the pilot, Gary Powers, could 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: actually see whether there was a contrail coming out of 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: the back, so that he could like change going up 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: and down, so that the Soviets couldn't track him as easy. 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: Well, Gary Pars was the guy who was shut down, 44 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: so when he flew out of a shower Pakistan over 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: Soviet Union, he was the one that was shut down. 46 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: When I served in Moscow. There's a Central Army Museum 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: in Moscow and it has his destroyed plane and all 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: the wreckage. You can go visit. 49 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: So this has caused all sorts of conspiracy series that 50 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to sort of discuss with you today. The 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: theories behind it are that this is spreading chemicals then 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: it's not water, vapor and chemicals to do all sorts 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: of things sterilization of the US public, or to make 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: us hyper sexual, or that that's not work it. 55 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: But I remember it being a big deal after nine 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: to eleven because there was a concern, you know, just 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: like a crop duster dust crops, there was a concern 58 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: that al Qaeda there was some evidence that they were 59 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: also looking at flying crop dusters, conceivably to put poison 60 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: in them so that they fly over cities or areas 61 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: and use that poison to kill people. 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: So John, theories that people have when they look up 63 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: and see the contrails in the sky is that the 64 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: government is using these contrails to put different chemicals into 65 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: the sky for all sorts of different reasons. And I 66 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: think this is sort of like a Ruarshack test, and 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: that tells you more about what people are afraid of 68 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: than what the government can actually do. I think this 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: touches on elements that people have on control of their environment. 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: I think it's a control of things like the health 71 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: of their children, the health of their families. 72 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: Even before we think about how you might do it. 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: Is there a sterilization chemical that doesn't kill you? Is 74 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: there a mind control chemical? Why would it need to 75 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: be sprayed out of planes? For Christ's sake. If there's 76 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: a mind control thing, it would have been great for 77 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: them to give us to use it on to try 78 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: to recruit Soviet and Russian and Chinese sources overseas if 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: we could control their minds. 80 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, these are all really good questions. And the answer 81 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: is the answer. The answer is to get me to 82 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: shut up there. The answer is no, there is not 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: a chemical that sterilizes an entire population. Although, for example, 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties, chewing gum was forbidden in Egypt 85 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: because there was a conspiracy theory that Israel had put 86 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: birth control into chewing gum and was importing it into 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: Egypt to keep the Egyptian population down so that Israel 88 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: could win more wars. And I know, you know, John, 89 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: in South Africa, there was Project Coast, which was a 90 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: project by the then apartheid South African government, part of 91 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: which was to create mas sterilization of their African population. 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: That failed because a they couldn't find the chemicals to 93 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: do it and b they couldn't find a way of 94 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: disseminating it. So what happened with Operation Coast in the 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: end was the scientists involved and in one partiicular individual 96 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: wood Bissan, who ran this program, ended up running drugs 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: into two black neighborhoods and hope that this would make 98 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: them less able to oppose white apartheid rule in South Africa. 99 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: If I recall, he had a plan to drug Mandela 100 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: and he was in prison to essentially not to kill him, 101 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: but to at least make it look like he was. 102 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: He couldn't articulate that's right. 103 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: He wanted to poison with thallium. And so the South Africans, 104 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: using the very latest and technologies, couldn't come up with 105 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: a way, despite the fact that they had an entire 106 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: national effort to do this, couldn't find a way to 107 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: sterilize large portions of their population and ended up trying 108 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: to find other methods to do so. So what I'm 109 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: saying is if we wanted to do it, we'd have 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 2: to go to South African scientists and sort of build 111 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: on their research, which was a failure. 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: If that was our goal, well let's get into it. 113 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: Let's meet today's guests. 114 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: Mickwest is a writer, skeptical investigator, author of Escaping the 115 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: rabbit Hole. I think it's a must read for anybody 116 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: who wants to understand conspiracy theories and the psychology behind it. 117 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: You were also the host of a podcast, yourself, Tails 118 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: from the rabbit Hole. You administer metabunk dot org, which 119 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: I think is a really cool website for anybody who's 120 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: interested in understanding conspiracy theories. You're a game developer, I 121 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: understand you're a wonk and an Englishman. Gladly have you 122 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: on board. 123 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 5: Thank you, glad to be here. I have spent an 124 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 5: awful lot of time looking into the chemtrails conspiracy theory, 125 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 5: and I do know, unfortunately more than the average person 126 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 5: about contrails. 127 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: Let me ask the first question, essentially is how did 128 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: you get interested in the subject of conspiracy theories and 129 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: specifically m trails or contrails? 130 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 5: Well after I left the video game industry back in 131 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 5: the kind of the mid two thousands. I was just 132 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 5: doing things that I found interesting, and one of the 133 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 5: things I found interesting was learning to fly, which has 134 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 5: been a lifelong ambition of mine. And whilst learning to fly, 135 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 5: you learn a little bit about aviation. You know what's 136 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: the sky like up there, and you obviously see things 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 5: like planes flying around. And at the same time, I 138 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 5: was kind of getting into, i guess, having arguments on 139 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 5: the Internet with people, and one of those arguments ended 140 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 5: up being about the chemtrail conspiracy theory, and I started 141 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: investigating that on Wikipedia at first, and then I decided 142 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 5: I should write a blog because I thought it would 143 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 5: be something I could just write a few posts about it, 144 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 5: explain what the science was behind it, and that would 145 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 5: clear up the whole thing, right And I think that 146 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 5: was in two thousand and six when I did that, 147 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 5: and obviously it's still going strong and perhaps even making 148 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 5: a bit of a comeback. 149 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: Can you describe this conspiracy and a little bit about it? 150 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: The Keemp trails conspiracy theory is the belief that the 151 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: long lasting trails that you sometimes see behind aircraft are 152 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 5: actually being deliberately sprayed for some particular reason, and that 153 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 5: reason might be that they're spreading some kind of toxin 154 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 5: or poison. More commonly, the belief is that the spreading 155 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 5: of the trails is some kind of attempt to alter 156 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 5: the weather and or the climate, and they refer to 157 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 5: that as geoengineering. Now, a chemtrail would be a chemical trail. 158 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 5: It's basically very simply that they're spraying chemicals into the 159 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 5: air and that leaves a trail of chemicals. Now, a 160 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 5: contrail is a condensation trail. So we have the trails 161 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: that are left behind aircraft are called contrails because it's 162 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 5: condensation from the water in the aircraft's exhaust. Just like 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 5: when you breathe out in a cold day, you see condensation. Now, 164 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 5: contrails sometimes they last for a long time and sometimes 165 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: they're just very short and they very quickly dissipate. And 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 5: that's basically the conspiracy theory in a nutshell. 167 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: And there's two different kinds of contrails, is that right? 168 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: There's sort of one that comes from an engine and 169 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: one over the wing if you could explain. 170 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 5: It, Yeah, there's two types of contrails. There's engine exhaust 171 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 5: contrails and there's aerodynamic contrails. The exists contrails are formed 172 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 5: just from the gases in the exhaust. You know, when 173 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 5: you burn jet fuel, you get a lot of water. 174 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 5: Like sometimes if you look at the back of your 175 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: car and a cold day, you'll see water dripping out 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 5: of the tailpipe because there's water in the exhaust. Sometimes, though, 177 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 5: you will see very different contrails that that kind of 178 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 5: look like they're coming from the entire wing. And what's 179 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 5: happening there is just simply that when air passes over 180 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: the top of the wing, it's pressure is reduced. You 181 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 5: get higher pressure underneath the wing and you get lower 182 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 5: pressure on top of the wing, and that's what creates 183 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 5: the lift, because if you rapidly reduce the pressure of air, 184 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 5: it can't hold the water that it could hold before. 185 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 5: The aerodynamic ones often occur at lower altitudes, and so 186 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 5: when people see these they get very suspicious, Well. 187 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: Why haven't the powers that be figured out how to 188 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: put chemicals into these planes that don't leave trails? 189 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 5: Well, I think you know. The idea with though, is 190 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 5: that they're doing it in plain sight and people have 191 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 5: got used to it now that the chemtrail conspiracy theory 192 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 5: started in the late nineteen nineties. I think about ninety 193 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 5: six ish. 194 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: Different conspiracy theories on contrials. What is the chemical? Is 195 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: there like a spectrum of chemicals that people are claiming 196 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: are put out there. I mean, if there was, how 197 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: could we not detect it? 198 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, it varies. And some people will say sulfur dioxide 199 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 5: because that's a geoengineering chemical. Some people will say it 200 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: is aluminum or aluminum oxide because they read somewhere on 201 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 5: the Internet, like twenty years ago that that is something 202 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 5: that might be used. And some people say strontium or barium. 203 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 5: Someone decided that they're going to test for strontium and 204 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 5: barium in their rain water and their soil in their backyard, 205 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 5: and of course they find some of those strontium and 206 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 5: barium because they're just common elements that exist everywhere in 207 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 5: small amounts, same as aluminum. Aluminum is the most common 208 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 5: metal in the Earth's crust. In California, the ground is 209 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 5: about between five and ten percent aluminum. So you go 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 5: out and test the ground, you find aluminum, and people 211 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 5: are like, oh my god, they're spraying aluminum on us, 212 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 5: But no, it's just everywhere. There's one person in my 213 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 5: book who believed in Kemp trails very strongly because he'd 214 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: seen these photos of barrels in planes which look very compelling. 215 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 5: But these barrels on planes were just the things called 216 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: balance barrels, and they used during the development of a 217 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 5: plane to simulate passengers, and they contain water and they 218 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 5: can move it around. Nothing suspicious at all. But if 219 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 5: someone didn't know that, they could very easily think it's 220 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 5: chemp trails. So the amount of cover up kind of 221 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 5: events upon how many people are involved. They say, you know, 222 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 5: we could just have a few people in the fuel 223 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 5: depot who just secretly sneak in and add a little bit, 224 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 5: you know, fuel additive, which then creates these chemtrails. But 225 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 5: realistically you can do some of the math on the 226 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 5: size of the trails and how much substance they would 227 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 5: have to contain, and it would have to be a lot, 228 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: which means that the weight and balance of the planes 229 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 5: would be off, which means that the pilots all have 230 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 5: to be involved. If the pilots all have to be involved, 231 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 5: then someone has to be in charge of making sure 232 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 5: that the pilots don't squeal. 233 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: You've become sort of an expert on conspiracy these in general, 234 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: and how to try to either debunk them or help 235 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: people move out of the rabbit hole as you talk about. 236 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 3: And my question is essentially why. 237 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 5: Well, that basically brought into a worldview. They think the 238 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 5: world operates in a certain way, that there's this massive, 239 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 5: overarching conspiracy, and so they think that everything that happens 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: has to fit into that idea of an overarching conspiracy. 241 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 5: And so if you address one of those points and 242 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 5: then you explain how that particular point is wrong, it 243 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 5: doesn't really matter. It doesn't really change their opinion because 244 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 5: they're just like, oh, well, that must have been a 245 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 5: bit of disinformation that was inserted in there by the illuminati, 246 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 5: and now thanks, we can discard that and we can 247 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 5: move on to the other one hundred and ninety nine things. 248 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 5: People who believe in one conspiracy theory will generally believe 249 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 5: in a bunch of others, and it's usually on a 250 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 5: kind of a spectrum of a scale of conspiracy theory. 251 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 5: So you can think ofnspiracy theories, very simple ones like 252 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 5: Big Farmer conspires to cover up test results or Volkswagen 253 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 5: conspires to cover up their emission test results. Things like that, 254 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 5: you know, conspiracies which are real, and then you can 255 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: easily imagine another conspiracy that you don't know if it's 256 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 5: real or not, and then you can go all the 257 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: way up through things like nine to eleven was an 258 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 5: inside job with the government's spraying chemtrails. 259 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 2: Is there a wide spectrum of like who supposedly is 260 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: behind this? Some people say it's big government or the CIA, 261 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 2: or the Illuminati, or pick your poison. 262 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 5: It's because the chemtrail conspiracy theory is such a large 263 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 5: theory and involves some many moving parts and at all 264 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 5: levels of government and industry and even weather forecasters are 265 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 5: apparently involved. It really has to be a conspiracy that 266 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 5: is created by the people who run the world. Those people, yeah, 267 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 5: they have to be the ones who are ultimately behind that. 268 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 5: So who that actually is on what your perception is 269 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: of the people who run the world. But then you'll 270 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 5: see people like they pick individual targets, like you know, 271 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 5: they'll pick say George Soros, or they might pick someone 272 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 5: like Bill Gates. Because Bill Gates has obviously his foundation. 273 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 5: That Bill and Milinda Gates foundation funds loads and loads 274 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 5: of things. They spend billions of dollars, and one of 275 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 5: the things they spent money on was something that was 276 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 5: a geo engineering research program just yet it probably spent 277 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 5: like half a million dollars or something. But someone makes 278 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 5: that connection, and then all of a sudden, you know, 279 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: Bill Gates is the great Satan who's behind the whole 280 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: chemtrial thing. 281 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: Oftentimes behind conspiracy theories and a lot of them, somebody 282 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: benefits from them, climate change deniers. With this particular one. 283 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: Is there anyone who would amplify or push this conspiracy theory? 284 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 5: I think any foreign adversary benefits from spreading conspiracy theories 285 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 5: in a country that spread distrust of the government. So 286 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: if you can convince a lot of people that the 287 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 5: government is spraying toxic chemicals over you, then you know, 288 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: from say the Russians point of view, that would be 289 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 5: a good thing. There's a little bit of benefit to 290 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 5: climate deniers if they can convince people that the government 291 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 5: is controlling the weather, then people aren't going to be 292 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: concerned about doing anything about it. 293 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: Is there any overlap with Agent Orange, which of course 294 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: was an actual program. 295 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 5: Agent Orange does fit in a little bit, But something 296 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: more significant is Operation Popeye, which was an operation during 297 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 5: the Vietnam War to seed clouds. They would actually alter 298 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 5: the weather by seeding clouds with silver iod eide to 299 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: make it rain more and make the trails less accessible 300 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 5: and more muddy, so it'd be more difficult for the 301 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 5: North Vietnamese to move around. So there was a very 302 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 5: real program of using weather as a weapon in the 303 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 5: Vietnam War. 304 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much for your time giving your 305 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: expertise on these things. I hope we can have you 306 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: back again to talk about some of these other these 307 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: other issues. 308 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: Sure, I'm be happy to This is super So let's 309 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: take a breather and be back in a moment. Welcome back. 310 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: We here yet another expert, David Keith. 311 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: David is a professor of geophysical science at the University 312 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: of Chicago. He also spent many years at Harvard and 313 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: is one of the foremost experts on climate systems engineering. 314 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 3: He has done important work in climate science, physics, technology, 315 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: and public policy. David also has been involved in seeking 316 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: to debunk conspiracy theories because frankly, a lot of conspiracist 317 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: have attecked him for his work. So if you could, David, 318 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: please explain a little bit about the kind of work 319 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: you do and why someone might get nervous about it. 320 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 6: Well, I've done climate science for thirty years or so, 321 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: kind of going in between really classic science just trying 322 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 6: to understand our nature works, or trying to get a 323 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 6: satellite to measure temperatures, to stuff that's really about trying 324 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 6: to reduce the problem. A lot of stuff on CO 325 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 6: two capture and storage and kind of energy system to 326 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 6: de carbonization. But then I think I'm probably the most 327 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 6: visible for is work on these ideas that are often 328 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 6: called geoengineering, the idea that humans might be able to 329 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 6: deliberately inject, say, sulfuric acid in the stratosphere in a 330 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 6: way that would actually reduce climate change little bit. This 331 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 6: is not in my name, is necessarily a good idea. 332 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 6: There's some evidence that actually could produce risk quite a lot, 333 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 6: but it has a bunch of risks and or some 334 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 6: hard governance challenges. So at least the way I see myself, 335 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 6: I'm not an advocate of doing it, but I am 336 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 6: an advocate of researching in a serious way and being 337 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 6: to talk about how it would be governed. 338 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 2: Is this supposed to be just in the US, or 339 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: to have an impact around the world, that would have 340 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: to be doing it in China, Russia, Australia, other places. 341 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: As well, and not just inside the US. Is this 342 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: a global thing or a US thing or a CIA thing, 343 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: a US Air Force thing. 344 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 6: The people who believe it are certainly outside the US. 345 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: So we actually did some high quality polling of US, 346 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 6: Canada and UK where we asked people some version of 347 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 6: do you believe the government is illicitly spraying stuff? And 348 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 6: I don't remember the exact numbers, but there are substantial 349 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 6: number of people in Canada and the UK. But one time, 350 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 6: for example, we had a meeting in is I recall Cambridge, UK. 351 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 6: This is probably fifteen years ago. We meaning scientists who 352 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 6: work on this solar geomesineering stuff, and there were protesters 353 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 6: outside with a big banner who had my name on 354 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 6: it and said that I was paid by Bill Gates 355 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 6: and trying to extinguish life on Earth or something. I mean, 356 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 6: this is the problem is to me, they don't seem 357 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 6: to have a very coherent view of what's happening except 358 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 6: that we're lying. 359 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: So I watched a video of you. I think I 360 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: was on YouTube speaking to some conspiracy theorists on this 361 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: very issue on chemtrails. But if your patient and try 362 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: to explain to people, number one is does that work. 363 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 6: I'm kind of inclined to think that when individual people 364 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 6: think this and they actually engage with you, there's a 365 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 6: good chance it can help. I think what is where 366 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 6: there's less chance of any help is you know, if 367 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: you think of somebody like I think his name is 368 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 6: Dane Whittington, who's one of the most visible people doing this. 369 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 6: To be clear, I've met him, but I don't really 370 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 6: know what drives him. But an obvious explanation for what 371 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 6: drives him that I don't think is any big conspiracy. 372 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 6: It's just kind of thinking about how things work. Is 373 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 6: money that he's making money through his YouTube channels off hits. 374 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: I'd also say that that probably ninety percent of the 375 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 2: people ninety five percent of people couldn't tell you the 376 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: physical forces on how an airplane made of metal gets 377 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: into the air, right, I mean, it does. We all 378 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: see that, but I couldn't explain to you why, and 379 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: if somebody did, they would probably use a lot of 380 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: terminology that I really don't understand, right, I just sort 381 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: of accept it. And the same with cloud formations. The 382 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: basic thing with contrails and talking with some people is 383 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: people sort of struggle with like basic cloud formation and 384 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: how a hot engine and a cold environment would produce clouds, 385 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: even before you get into like what's being sprayed. 386 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is if I 387 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 6: say to the chemtrails people, you're wrong because the integral 388 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 6: of the differential of the barium concentration with the quantum 389 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 6: orbital subb is six, you guys are idiots. Obviously their 390 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 6: reaction to that is this guy's an arrogant prick and 391 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: he's talking down to us and he's not taking it seriously, 392 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 6: which is fair enough. I think one of the biggest 393 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 6: ways to help get people to change is to get 394 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 6: people not to convince them on the core science, but 395 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 6: on the kind of human dimensions of what would be 396 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 6: the motivation for this conspiracy anyway, and how easily it 397 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: would be to debug. 398 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 3: So of the technologies that science is looking at to 399 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: deal with climate change and climate problems, are there any 400 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: that would require airplanes spraying something? 401 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: So? 402 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 6: Yes, That's part of the reason this overlap between the 403 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 6: camp traals conspiracy and soldar temi sharing. If you were 404 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 6: going to implement solder humor sharing using these stratospheric aerosols, 405 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 6: it would almost certainly be done by aircraft. Now, the 406 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 6: aircraft would fly about twice as high as conventional aircraft, 407 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 6: and they wouldn't make visible contrails, but they would be 408 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 6: aircraft distributing materials. That's absolutely correct. I mean the level 409 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 6: of funniness. I was at a meeting in Paris. It 410 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 6: was a UN small meeting through the UN Environment program 411 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 6: about ten years ago, and a guy who's a kind 412 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 6: of lieutenant a second to this Seniorussian scientists, he presented 413 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 6: this picture showing that it was really all American chemstrails conspiracy, 414 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 6: and it was sort of embarrassingly easy to debunk. His 415 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 6: picture was a picture that often appears with these websites 416 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 6: of a I believe it's a seven four seven configured 417 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 6: with a bunch of tanks inside the spray material. It's 418 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 6: in fact owned by Evergreen Aviation. It's very easy to 419 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 6: find this out. It's an aircraft that's been reconfigured for firefighting, 420 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 6: and so it does have lots of tanks and sprayers. 421 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 6: It's not very hard to find it. So he showed 422 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 6: me this picture and I was able, like two minutes 423 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 6: later to pull up a picture from the Evergreen Aviation 424 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 6: website that was the same picture, and they were kind 425 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 6: of embarrassed. They didn't really admit they were wrong. But 426 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 6: there's this way in which it's both this kind of 427 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 6: deep like you guys are the cause of this conspiracy 428 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 6: theory and this kind of incredibly shallow evidentary basis absolutely fascinating. 429 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: Now over to John Stern. 430 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: More than research, I have a real tweet for you today, guys. 431 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 4: That's a pun Kylie Jenner is a real believer in contrails. 432 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: Can tell because she made a ton of tweets about them. 433 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 4: I'm going to have Aaron Hayes read them to you 434 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 4: a little bit later. But first I was looking into 435 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: the chemicals that people thought were being sprayed. So one 436 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: person I talked to is Mark Green. I wanted him 437 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 4: to talk about the feasibility of a chemical that could 438 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 4: be sprayed on people to cause infertility. 439 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 7: I'm a reproductive biologist. 440 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 8: I am a social professor here at the University of 441 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 8: Melbourne in Australia. I'm also the deputy director for monash IVF, 442 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 8: which is a big human reproductive art clinic. My background 443 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 8: is really in looking at how endo crime destructing chemicals, 444 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 8: so pesticides, plasticizes affect reproduction and I studied that in 445 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 8: many species, humans, mice, cattle, sheep, massupials, and just have 446 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 8: a look at how basically we're poisoning our wildlife and 447 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 8: ourselves with our everyday products. 448 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: The particular conspiracy theory that we're talking to about today 449 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 4: is known by the name camtrails. Different groups and different 450 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 4: populations think they're being poisoned to keep them from reproducing. 451 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 4: The first most basic question is does a chemical exist 452 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 4: that could create infertility. 453 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 7: In males and females. 454 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 8: There's probably not one single chemical that would directly target 455 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 8: our reproduction that could be sprayed like that, So not directly, 456 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 8: but there are many many chemicals that we spray on 457 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 8: purpose for farming, for example, crop dusting. All of those 458 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 8: that will absolutely depress your fertility, won't the point of 459 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 8: actually stopping it, but it will also give you some 460 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 8: pretty nasty effects in terms of reproductive track. So not 461 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 8: one chemical probably that can outright stop you and make 462 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 8: you infertile, but definitely lots of chemicals that we do 463 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 8: use every day that will decrease our fertility. 464 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 4: Would it be possible to intentionally create a mixture or combination. 465 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 8: Probably most of the chemicals that we would design are 466 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 8: likely to make us very sick anyway, So it wouldn't 467 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 8: be something that would be able to target your reproduction 468 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 8: without making the rest of the body sick. So if 469 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 8: we are getting sick, that's usually the first thing that stops. 470 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 8: That's why it's a good indicator for when we've got 471 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 8: environmental pollution or whether we are being. 472 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 7: Generally sick or poisoned. 473 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 8: We can see that, but not specifically targeting the reproductive 474 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 8: tract without actually affecting the rest of the body. 475 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 4: Now, let's talk quantity. How much would be needed if 476 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 4: you were just to spray them with an aerosol. 477 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 7: Great question. 478 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 5: Not much. 479 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 8: Generally, many of the chemicals I study and crime disrupting 480 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 8: chemicals you need in peak grams and femtogram and they 481 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 8: can compete with our normal hormones are in nanograms. 482 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: Would it be more effective to just put the chemical 483 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 4: in the water supply? 484 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And that's part of the problem what we're 485 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 8: doing in our current society is that many of the 486 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 8: chemicals are ninety thousand plus chemicals that we've manufactured since 487 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 8: the Zecond World War actually are used for a specific purpose, 488 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 8: but then sadly get into the groundwater and into our 489 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 8: water supply, and so yeah, every day we are ingesting 490 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 8: hundreds of different chemicals that will have negative effects, including 491 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 8: ones that we actively choose. So we know in western 492 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 8: countries that it's about one in six couples, or about fifteen 493 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 8: percent of people are infertile or subfertile, so would need 494 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 8: some medical intervention to conceive. And we know that's in 495 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 8: increasing quite rapidly, and it's definitely going to be environmental 496 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 8: because of the right that this is increasing. 497 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: That's about chemicals that could affect reproduction. I was also 498 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: looking into mind control chemicals. Now, I'm sure you guys 499 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: know a lot about this since you were young adults 500 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: in the sixties. How old were you guys in the sixties. 501 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 3: I lived through the sixties. 502 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: You lived through them, That's the best you can say. 503 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: I was thirteen when the sixties ended, so I'm not 504 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: that old. 505 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 4: Well, I will say that I could not find evidence 506 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: of a real mind control drug, But there is all 507 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 4: sorts of experimentation with hypnosis and barbituates, and of course 508 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: you've talked about MK ultra before and programs like that, 509 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 4: so there may be places with individuals where some susceptibility 510 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: was created. But something that could be sprayed over a 511 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: population to create a blanket mind control. And then, of 512 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: course there's get smart movie The Nude Bomb, where they 513 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: sprayed something that made everyone's clothes disappear. But they didn't 514 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: need a spray for that. All they needed was a 515 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 4: grateful dead concert, right. 516 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: Guys, Oh Jesus. 517 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: There were two drugs that seemed to be the most effective. 518 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 4: One of them, of course, is sodium pentathal, which is 519 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: known as a truth serum. Here's the quote. The drug 520 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: tends to make subjects verbose and cooperative with interrogators. However, 521 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: the reliability of confessions made under sodium pentathol is questionable. 522 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: Right. Well, there is the truth hereum that the Russians 523 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: used on you quite often, which is vodka. Right. 524 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: I can tell you when my first tour, I had 525 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 3: Russian friends. Our job in CIA is acad befriend Russian 526 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: intelligence officers and hopefully get them to turn and like 527 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: us and trust us and want to work with us 528 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: and work against their own government. And that did involve 529 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 3: a lot of drinking. They had vodka and kooniak that 530 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 3: was Russian, and so you'd sit with your Russian counterpart. 531 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: But they had tear off tops, and so if you 532 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 3: sat down with one person to share vodka, you had 533 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: to finish the bottle, like there's no screw on to 534 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: put the top back on. The two of you would 535 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: sit there and go through like an entire bottle of vodka, 536 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: which is miserable and hard and makes your stomach bleed. 537 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: But then it was like, you're having such a good time. 538 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: They bring in that second bottle of vodka and it's like, 539 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: oh no, I'm an American. I can't hang into these Russians. 540 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 4: Now, there is a Russian drug called s P one 541 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 4: seventeen that's actually considered a highly effective truth serum in 542 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 4: terms of my research. But it also occurs to me 543 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 4: it would behoove the Russians to leak that information so 544 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 4: that people thought they had a highly effective truth serum 545 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: even if they didn't. 546 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: That makes sense. 547 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 4: The fun thing about sp seventeen is it has no taste, color, 548 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: or smell, so that can make you paranoid that anything 549 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 4: that you're drinking or eating could possibly have it rooffeed 550 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 4: by the Russians. 551 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be the first time. 552 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 4: I do want to play for you. Aaron Hayes reading 553 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 4: the Kylie Jenner tweets. I don't want Adam to miss them, 554 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 4: because you know, Adam was on This American Life and 555 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 4: that's kind of a big deal. 556 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: So I think we we should bring anim in. 557 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 9: I'm starting to believe in a conspiracy that you guys 558 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 9: like to make fun of me. 559 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: I sort of feel bad about it because it's just 560 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: too damn easy. But there's no sport in it. 561 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: It's like shooting fish in a barrel. 562 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 9: Which is the only way a CIA guy could shoot fish. 563 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 4: Bless it's art. Yeah, it's great, every. 564 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: Guy, and when we come back, we'll have more of 565 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: this enjoyable. 566 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 4: Banter with. 567 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 9: I'm a little starstruck, guys, I will be honest. I'm 568 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 9: not starstruck by Kylie Jenner. I'm very much not starstruck 569 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 9: by Garry O'Shea. But I am starstruck by Aaron Hayes, 570 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 9: who's one of the best comedic actresses of our time. 571 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 9: And somehow she is going to read Kylie Jenner's tweets. 572 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Why did I see seventy five planes spraying white stuff 573 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: into the sky on my fifteen minute drive to work? 574 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: Who pays for this? And why is it happening? Is 575 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: something being exterminated here is that something me? Does this 576 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: have anything to do with why honeybees are dying off 577 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: really fast? Why are some days normal with no plane 578 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: spring and others look like this? Who's is responsible? What 579 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: effect will this have on our health and our children's future? 580 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Am 581 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: I the only one who sees this? 582 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 9: I gotta say, what really strikes me is that is 583 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 9: not an off the cuff. That is somebody like driving 584 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 9: looking and asking themselves a whole bunch of questions and 585 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 9: then really spending some time getting those questions down and 586 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 9: feeling very proud, even though they all seem to have 587 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 9: fairly easy answers. It's basically like how comes some days 588 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 9: the weather outside is warm and other days it's cold. 589 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: Who thought that was a good idea? 590 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Fuck honey bees? 591 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: Fuck bees? Where is conspiracy? I think it's just like 592 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: a natural process. 593 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 4: We need honey bee, honey cool. 594 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 9: It's CIA anti honeybee. 595 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: The tweets, though, who is they? Like they have a 596 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: plan they are doing? Why, who are they and why 597 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: are they doing it? 598 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 9: I guess we all have these thoughts sometimes, like why 599 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 9: is you know, why is this so messed? Up, but 600 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 9: she could have spent as much time googling as typing 601 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 9: to her millions of followers and probably come to some 602 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 9: good conclusions. Well, look, I'm fifty three. I've been looking 603 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 9: at these things since I was, you know, a kid. 604 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 9: I can say that the theory that it suppresses libido 605 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 9: has played out in my life. It also makes you 606 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 9: put on weight, lose hair, lose the desire to exercise, 607 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 9: makes you forget names and details that you used to 608 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 9: be able to remember quickly. Now Here's what I love 609 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 9: about this one is that it is so malleable. I mean, 610 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 9: aside is is it an accurate representation of how the 611 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 9: world works as a tool, It's perfect. It is the 612 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 9: perfect conspiracy theory because you can apply it anywhere to anything. Equally, 613 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 9: if our assignment was create a conspiracy theory, we can 614 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 9: use for anything anywhere, at any time. We can say 615 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 9: it's poisoning the food. We can say it's making the 616 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 9: food grow. We can say it's suppressing libido. We can 617 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 9: say it's raising libido in emotion. It seems like the 618 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 9: perfect conspiracy theory. 619 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: And the conspiracy theory if you want to make one 620 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: up or on chemicials, it can't be disprovable, right, So 621 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: if you've got an unfalsifiable hypothesis, you can claim anything. Right. 622 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 3: Our whole career was based on the fact that people 623 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: needed to believe conspiracy theory so that we could do 624 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: our job. We had to go out and trick foreign 625 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: governments and foreign people into doing what we wanted them 626 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: to do. So we relied on people's ability to believe 627 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: one thing when another thing was true. 628 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: Conspiracies to work, as John was outlining, have to be effective. 629 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: They can't be talked about in public, they can't be 630 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: obvious like keem trails, and they also have to be small, right. 631 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean, the best kept secret is like between just 632 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: two people when one of them's dead and I'm the 633 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: other person. Right, that's a good kept secret. 634 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: The chemtrails is mainly just a cover to make people 635 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: think that's how we're being poisoned, when it's fact it's 636 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: through our water. 637 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: Yes, fluoride. 638 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: Yes. This conspiracy seems to be something that grew organically, 639 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: Like I'm not clear that there's somebody behind this conspiracy. 640 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: But to a certain extent, there are people who make 641 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: money off of these things, right, clickbait that make money 642 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: off of people being afraid right entertainment. I mean somebody 643 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 2: like Alex Jones could push certain conspiracy theory. There's money 644 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: to be made in that, not by everybody, but by 645 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: a few people. 646 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 9: Can we dig into what the role the conspiracy theory 647 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 9: is playing. I go straight. I mean, this was what 648 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 9: I studied in college. But I go straight to most 649 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 9: early civilizations that had they believed in a thunder god 650 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 9: and a cloud god, and a rain god, and a 651 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 9: river god, and a water god, and and a sky god, 652 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 9: a sun god, a moon god, keep going, god of love, 653 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 9: a god of wine, a god of war. I was 654 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 9: actually talking about his son about this the other day. 655 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 9: Like you can imagine, you're looking around, there's parts of 656 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 9: the world that feel kind of local and intimate, like 657 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 9: just your neighborhood, your block, your house, And then there's 658 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 9: parts of the earth that feels so vast and crazy, 659 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 9: and even with our knowledge of atmospheric science and model 660 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 9: of the solar system, it still can feel crazy. 661 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people it's likely they understand it, 662 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: but emotionally it isn't. 663 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 9: So we actually do put something in planes every plane 664 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 9: in the sky. We put it in volume. It's called fuel, Like, 665 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 9: it's a big thing to get right amount of fuel 666 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 9: to all the airports all over the country. It's really noticeable. 667 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 9: They have to contain it, they have to contain it safely. 668 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 9: There's people who are trained to take it from the 669 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 9: big container to the trucks and then from the trucks 670 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 9: to put it on the plane. If we really want 671 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 9: to be creative, we could say, oh, yeah, they're putting 672 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 9: it in the fuel, so it's just done at the refinery. 673 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 9: But even I've been to refineries, those are really big 674 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 9: operations with lots and lots of people, you know. But 675 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 9: the more you think about it, the more you're like, 676 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 9: this would involve a lot of infrastructure. 677 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 3: And I just looked up and said, how many airplanes, 678 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 3: for example, are there in the United States, And it's 679 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 3: well over two hundred thousand airplanes, And so the notion 680 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 3: of getting fuel to hundreds of thousands of airplanes it 681 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 3: probably tens of thousands of airfields, is not a small thing. 682 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 2: I'll throw it a rejoinder here in that I think 683 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: that there may actually be real conspiracies around what we're 684 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: talking about, but they're doing the exact opposite. They're denying 685 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: that they're happening. So things like microplastics, which are actually 686 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: being absorbed into every human being on earth. Is plastic 687 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: get smaller and small and smaller. It gets into the 688 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: fish and we eat it, and it's inside of placentas 689 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: inside of us, and so we don't really know what 690 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 2: that does. And a conspiracy not to study this from 691 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 2: fossil fuel industry is really high. Things like smoking, which 692 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: which does put poison into you know, at least in 693 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: that generation and most males, there was a conspiracy to 694 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: not allow to be seen what the what the impact was. 695 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: And I think the same is with global warming, that 696 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: there's a huge industry that is self serving industry that 697 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: is there to deny that there is an impact on 698 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: basically everybody. 699 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 4: So that's actually a really good pot I'm. 700 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: Actually yeah, you're surprised it's coming from me, right, Yeah, 701 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 2: but I think it's. 702 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, I am, I'm shocked. 703 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: I think let's let's just let this let's let this 704 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: episode trail off. Like with jet engines, I think. 705 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 4: We have just exhausted. Did this conversation. 706 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: Well you certainly did with that comment, So please come 707 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 3: back and see us next time on Mission implausible. 708 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 4: Mission implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'sha, John Cipher, 709 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 4: and Jonathan Stern. The associate producers are Rachel Harner and 710 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 4: David Sollinger. This has been a production of honorable, mention 711 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 4: and abominable pictures for iHeartMedia