WEBVTT - It's Crunch Time: The Bug Episode 

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<v Speaker 1>So let's play a quick game to get ready for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. I know you're very competitive, so can you

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<v Speaker 1>name at least five of the ten commonly eaten insects

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<v Speaker 1>around the world?

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<v Speaker 2>Name five? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Crickets, worms, mm hmmm, the egg the ant eggs, yeah, good, beetles, Yes, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>You got.

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<v Speaker 2>Four? Oh that's all I got? What else that's good? Ants?

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<v Speaker 1>Crickets, grasshoppers, beetles, termite scorpions.

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<v Speaker 3>Grassops scorpions, yes, grubs.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much, but there are so many insects. Over

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<v Speaker 1>two billion people in the world eat insects as part

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<v Speaker 1>of their diets.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Evil Longoria and I am Myra and

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<v Speaker 3>welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores are

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<v Speaker 3>past and present through food.

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<v Speaker 4>On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some

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<v Speaker 4>of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages from our culture.

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<v Speaker 2>So make yourself at home, even culturally it's part of

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<v Speaker 2>their diet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, How do you feel about eating insects? Which

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<v Speaker 1>ones have you had?

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<v Speaker 3>I've had crickets and what are the crickets called though?

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<v Speaker 3>Chapolinis chapolinis and cscamlis.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the two I've had. A warm. I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a warm and tequila. Yeah, but that's it. That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't had grasshoppers, I haven't had beetles, I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>had ants. No, just I'm taking for Mexico. The chapolinas

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<v Speaker 3>were there was a variety. There was large, small, medium, spicy,

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<v Speaker 3>not spid like. They had bins and bins and bins

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<v Speaker 3>and you could choose which one you wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love chapoliness. I love a good chapoline. I

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<v Speaker 1>always have them in my fridge. I have what Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you eat them? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you prepare them? I just have just on a corn.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I put some avocado, some chapoliness, some fresh lime juice,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing more delicious. They have protein.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tasty for me. That has just how much protein

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<v Speaker 2>does that really have? I mean, how much do you ton?

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<v Speaker 1>A ton to that? Not a lot? And we will

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<v Speaker 1>get to that they have a ton of protein. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we will get there.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, So I want to know this because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to have to eat a bucket of chapolinas

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<v Speaker 3>just to get the equivalent of one egg white.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to protein, which is such a buzzyard right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard that if you're allergic to shellfish, that you probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be allergic to eating insects.

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<v Speaker 1>They have similar proteins.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's good to know. But people been eating insects

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>For a long time. They're nutrient dense, they're sustainable, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're culturally significant across the world, in particular Asia, Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>and Latin America. And we even have biblical traditions even

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned insect eating in the Book of Leviticus, the third

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<v Speaker 1>book of the Old Testament. Most winged insects are considered unclean,

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<v Speaker 1>but insects that hop like locusts and crickets and grasshoppers

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<v Speaker 1>are permitted, and so which you know, many communities in

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<v Speaker 1>the West were eating bugs, you know, if they're mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in these in these books. But they eventually avoided eating

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<v Speaker 1>insects altogether, because then it just became too difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>identify which species were allowed and which were not. But

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<v Speaker 1>even in the New Testament we see insect eating as

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<v Speaker 1>a more sort of in a more symbolic tone. John

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<v Speaker 1>the Baptist is described as surviving on locusts and wild

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<v Speaker 1>honey and the wilderness, and so this idea of this

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<v Speaker 1>diet of bugs signals austerity and resilience and really like

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual minimalism. Right, insects in the biblical world, they exist

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<v Speaker 1>at this intersection of survival and spiritual meaning and law.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're really quite interesting in that sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the first recorded case of eating insects? Is

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<v Speaker 2>there a recipe book? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well not. You know, it's interesting because we have the

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<v Speaker 1>first recorded written evidence. But the recorded case of eating

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<v Speaker 1>insects is we see in Europe can be found in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Spain and Meda in a series of paintings that

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<v Speaker 1>date back from like northern Spain is where I'm from?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Ask at the media. I'm not sure where that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that in as studios? I don't know. Look, insect

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<v Speaker 1>eating is not super common in the US or in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or in the modern US, or in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>but it definitely used to be, because we see the

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<v Speaker 1>recorded case of insect eating in Europe the first in me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the Basque country in the Oh, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>my people are from.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I have bugs in my fridge to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in the cant Province. Technicquely.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, so it's in between a studios and Basque country.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say that. You know, scientists have recorded

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<v Speaker 1>identified about a million in sectist species so far, and

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<v Speaker 1>over two thousand of them are eaten around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a lot of bugs. Yeah, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of blocked Yeah. Well there was pretty digestible, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the're roasted and fried and ground and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just have to avoid the ones that feed on

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<v Speaker 1>toxic plants or live in polluted areas. You are brightly colored.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, how do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>How about cuse me, bug? Are you eating toxic plants?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that means you're toxic for me?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, not all insects are edible. But let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about these like references to it. So we have this

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<v Speaker 1>recorded case in Spain, in northern Spain. This blew my mind. Aristotle,

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth century BC philosopher. He dedicated a section of

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<v Speaker 1>his work Estaria Animalum to the most delicious way of

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<v Speaker 1>eating bugs. He loved chichiras cicadas. He said they taste

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<v Speaker 1>it best in their final stage of development, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also said that female locusts cooked in sweet oil with

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<v Speaker 1>their eggs still in inside were very sweet. And he

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<v Speaker 1>said that grasshoppers were a mouth wateringly nutritious snack. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is fascinating that Aristotle wrote about this. Plainy

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<v Speaker 1>the Elder for century BC Roman author he liked to

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<v Speaker 1>eat beetle larvae raised on flour and wine. So this

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So we see in antiquity and then with Christianity,

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<v Speaker 1>the practice of eating bugs in Europe really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>died out because of all of these biblical things. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like it became confusing, what can I eat? What can

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<v Speaker 1>I not eat? But we see that it didn't fully

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<v Speaker 1>go away. There's this early seventeenth century account by an

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<v Speaker 1>Italian naturalist, Ulisse Aldrovandi of German soldiers in Italy snacking

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<v Speaker 1>on fried silkworms and that they were like, wow, this

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<v Speaker 1>is delicious. And there was a French naturalist, Renee Antoine

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<v Speaker 1>for Shaw, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He made a plea to bring insects back to the

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<v Speaker 2>dining table. But it didn't catch on.

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<v Speaker 1>It did not catch on.

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<v Speaker 3>What about the US Native American communities must have eaten

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<v Speaker 3>insects now they.

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<v Speaker 1>Were there was this rich culinary traditions, like lots of

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<v Speaker 1>species were eaten and white settlers looked down upon these practices,

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<v Speaker 1>but even they also incorporated into their diets. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century, the Shoshone and other communities in the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Basin Area, like in Nevada, Utah, California, Oregon, they

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<v Speaker 1>formed these massive circles and beat brush to drive grasshoppers

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<v Speaker 1>into pits and blankets, and then they roasted them and

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<v Speaker 1>ground them into flour. So we have lots of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>between lots of Native American communities that really gathered bugs,

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<v Speaker 1>and this sort of gathering of bugs were organized around

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<v Speaker 1>the cycles of certain larvae, and so it was really

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<v Speaker 1>a very important part of the diet. Insects were abundant,

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<v Speaker 1>they were practical, they were delicious, and we have yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I just find it hard than when you

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<v Speaker 3>say delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it hard to believe any any of it

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<v Speaker 2>was delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>They yeah, but it as a sustance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like sustance. I don't know, huh, delicious, But.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think a good of the tapoline with

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<v Speaker 1>like lime and a little bit of chile. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's delicious, and it's like a texture. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>pep for, I think to people to get around this

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<v Speaker 1>like path the text, Oh my god, it's a bug.

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<v Speaker 1>But we see them like the Cherokees of North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>They would fry to taras and hog fat and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they were baked into pies and you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess like if you didn't know and and and

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<v Speaker 3>you were okay with the texture, then you would eat

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<v Speaker 3>it for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a cultural thing, you know, and it was practical,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because they're so abundant. But it was really

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<v Speaker 1>a part of this cultural spiritual life and seasonal life.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of revolved around the seeds ins of

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<v Speaker 1>gathering in the larvae and this and that, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>harvester ants. They were used as hallucinogenic aids and spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>rituals and you know in the south central California tribes.

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<v Speaker 1>So they really were a very important part of the

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<v Speaker 1>original diet of the Americas. But then Westerners started yucking

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<v Speaker 1>the yum.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to realize that they needed to eat bugs

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<v Speaker 2>to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>They did, they did. And there's this archaeologist David Matson.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks about Native Americans in the Great Basin and

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<v Speaker 1>they traded insect fruitcakes. They were like nuts berries and

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<v Speaker 1>insect bits stride into a bar and they traded this

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<v Speaker 1>to immigrant wagon trains in the mid nineteenth century, and

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<v Speaker 1>this trade sustained segments of western migration in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this may have this insect eating. They have

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<v Speaker 1>saved early settlers lives, especially the earliest Mormon settlers in Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there's evidence of this. And you know, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, there was a locust swarm that decimated crops

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<v Speaker 1>in the Midwest. And to dress this food scarcity, a

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri entomologist who's a studyer of bugs, This man named

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Valentine Ray. He developed recipes for eating locusts and

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<v Speaker 1>these were and you worked with a local like known

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<v Speaker 1>cater and these were distributed across the region.

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<v Speaker 2>But our locus chichada's basically or no, they're different.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think they're different. Chichatas are cicadas?

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<v Speaker 2>Did this? Yeah? Did the insect eating and the colonies

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<v Speaker 2>catch on?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I mean it was short lived. It was short list. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like everything, right, Colonists they weaponized native practices

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<v Speaker 1>and this included insect eating. So this was a sign

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<v Speaker 1>of inferiority. And by the mid twentieth century there were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was shameful. It was not it was

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<v Speaker 1>beneath them. With industrialization, it just became difficult to harvest insects.

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<v Speaker 1>So it just kind of really happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we just get to the protein, Like how much

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<v Speaker 3>protein could a tiny little insect half? Because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's obsessed with getting the protein in obsessed.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the BBC, Google searches for protein have risen

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and thirteen percent over the last decade, reaching

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<v Speaker 1>an all time high in twenty twenty five. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a rich source of protein. They contain forty to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy percent protein by dry weight, above on par with

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<v Speaker 1>or above traditional sources like beef for chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>The average grasshopper weighs about half a gram. According to

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<v Speaker 2>an article, a grasshopper has twenty grams of protein. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole thing of yogurt. By the way, that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>What so, yeah, you don't have to Yeah, that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And they a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of protein, way more than a steak,

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<v Speaker 1>way more. It is more than a steak. And they

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<v Speaker 1>have all of the essential amino acids your body needs.

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<v Speaker 1>They have iron, they have zinc, they have vitamin bees,

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<v Speaker 1>their nutrient pat You know what, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why Simba in the Lion King was sustained

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<v Speaker 3>with eating bugs and not other animals.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, Simba leeds. Simba knew what was Simba

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<v Speaker 1>knew he's like protein. Simba knew how to get more protein.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the World Health Organization, over two point three

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<v Speaker 1>billion people experience food insecurity, and experts say that if

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<v Speaker 1>people in the US and in Europe could get over

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<v Speaker 1>the ick, edible insects could revolutionize food systems and be

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<v Speaker 1>part of a climate friendly solution to address world hunger.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So which cultures do have like insects and their and

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<v Speaker 3>their diets? Like, what are some what are some iconic dishes?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I know Mexico, but obviously there's others. I know

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<v Speaker 3>I know China because I went to China and they

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of insects there, because you had two

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<v Speaker 3>billion people worldwide consume insects as their diet.

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<v Speaker 2>But which what are some examples?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Asia, China, you said, actually the earliest earliest written

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of insect use involving bees and wasps in particular

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<v Speaker 1>up here in Chinese literature that go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>first millennium BC, and that's only the written evidence, so

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<v Speaker 1>it likely goes back, you know, much much further. And

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<v Speaker 1>they are eating worms, crickets, silkworms, deep fried or stir fried.

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<v Speaker 1>But also in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos it's a

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<v Speaker 1>common street food and they're either fried or roasted with soy, sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>chili or garlic like grasshoppers and crickets, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico. Water bugs are used in soups and stews.

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<v Speaker 1>A pan has moca simmered and soy and sugar, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's I know, it's it's it's it's different. It's different.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just not used to it. I know. Larva, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what it is. It's a it's a closing

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<v Speaker 1>thing with.

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<v Speaker 3>Like eating octopus. Some cultures are like, how could you

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<v Speaker 3>do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Yeah, right, it just gets you know, you get

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<v Speaker 1>past it. Africa, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo eat like weavil,

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<v Speaker 1>larva termites.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia catchites. I don't know, they're so tiny. Australia must

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<v Speaker 2>have eat bugs. They have so many bugs down there,

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<v Speaker 2>but they probably have a lot of tucks and eaten bugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby, they have a witchity grub is something that they

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<v Speaker 1>eat a lot there. It's this white larva eaten raw

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<v Speaker 1>or lightly cooked.

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<v Speaker 3>Does anyone know about the America because in Mexico we

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<v Speaker 3>have chappolinas, maggie worms, escamolas. But is there what other

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<v Speaker 3>Latin American countries eat bugs?

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia, Venezuela eat certain n species and beetle larva. Insects

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<v Speaker 1>were more than food. They were big symbolic part of

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<v Speaker 1>this ritual world type of agriculture and seasonality and the sacred.

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<v Speaker 1>So we see things like my gay worms and other

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<v Speaker 1>larva closely connected to the cycles of planting and harvest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it could be included in offerings to the gods.

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<v Speaker 1>They carried deep symbolic meaning like sometimes they were sociated

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<v Speaker 1>with fertility or regeneration or the afterlife, and so even

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<v Speaker 1>the act of preparing and sharing insects could be ritualized,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were considered delicacies. They sort of straddled these

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<v Speaker 1>lines of spirituality, nutrition and all of it. Basically, just

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<v Speaker 1>like we talked about at the beginning of the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>connected to natural cycles and lunar phases and animal migration.

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<v Speaker 1>So just even gathering insects was such a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the culture.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I know that, I mean, I could see

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<v Speaker 3>how insects are environmentally sustainable food compared to livestock, because

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<v Speaker 3>livestock beef, like raising beef, is one of the leading

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<v Speaker 3>drivers of tropical deforestation.

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<v Speaker 2>It uses an enormous amount of water.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to grow the feed, so that takes up land,

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<v Speaker 3>the fossil fuels needed to transport the animals from the

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<v Speaker 3>farm to the slaughterhouse to market, it all adds up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that. You know, cattle alone produces more

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<v Speaker 2>greenhouse gases than cars.

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<v Speaker 3>So by comparison insects, if we could get out over

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<v Speaker 3>the ick, we could probably definitely have a more environmentally sustainable.

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<v Speaker 2>Source of protein.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, the same ten pounds of feed that yields just

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<v Speaker 1>one pound of beef can produce six pounds of insect

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<v Speaker 1>protein with a much smaller carbon footprint. Wow, you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to get over the ick.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the ick is that you know, when you see

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<v Speaker 3>the wings or the legs or the head, that makes

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<v Speaker 3>it a hard sell for me at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just need a rebranding, right, So people need.

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<v Speaker 2>To market, they need a good publicist.

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<v Speaker 1>They need a good publicist, they need they need a rebrand,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the US and in Europe, because other people

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<v Speaker 1>in other parts of the world look like we're way

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<v Speaker 1>behind in the West and so many things, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of them. This is one of them. We're

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<v Speaker 1>so disconnected.

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<v Speaker 3>Our food chain in general is definitely definitely disconnected from

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<v Speaker 3>where food comes from, the cost of you know, human

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<v Speaker 3>life and labor. We don't factor in a lot. We

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<v Speaker 3>just sit at a table and demand an avocado out

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<v Speaker 3>of season.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to do better, We got to do better.

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<v Speaker 1>We got it. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>You had a chance to chat with Monica Martinez of

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<v Speaker 3>Don't Bugito? Does she say bugito, which is a pre

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<v Speaker 3>Hispanic snack at yah, And she had a lot to

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<v Speaker 3>say about sustainability.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a sneak peak of that conbo.

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<v Speaker 5>We just caught the chickens in the couch and just

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<v Speaker 5>goes straight to the insects. So on that note, I

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<v Speaker 5>start playing in my studio, like I was like trying

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<v Speaker 5>to design some little farms, thinking that people can grow

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<v Speaker 5>their own proteins in the kitchen, and I was using mealworms,

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<v Speaker 5>which are not really warms. A lot of people when

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<v Speaker 5>you say the word norm it's like yuck, gross. But

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<v Speaker 5>milworms are larvae. I don't know that sounds better. But

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<v Speaker 5>they're a type of beetle. Is a darkling beetle, and

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<v Speaker 5>beetles are one of the largest insect families in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>So insects composed eighty percent of the biomass of the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that insane?

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<v Speaker 1>She was absolutely brilliant. She grows her own bugs and

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<v Speaker 1>an urban farm in Oakland. She has a background in

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<v Speaker 1>industrial design and art. She's brilliant. She's giving insects a

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<v Speaker 1>major rebrand in the US. She's from Act City. She's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So make sure you tune in next week to hear

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation in its entirety.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for joining for this episode all

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<v Speaker 3>about bugs. We hope you enjoyed it as much as

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