Speaker 1: Hi, guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spinoff show Popping Off,
Speaker 1: where we are digging deep on this season of vander
Speaker 1: Pump Rules. Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Popping
Speaker 1: Off with Teddy Mellencamp.
Speaker 2: And Emily Simpson. Do I hear a little cold in
Speaker 2: your voice? I think you hear a lot of cold
Speaker 2: in my voice. I'm not sure where it came from.
Speaker 2: I think here's what I think. I think it's from
Speaker 2: the other night at the bar.
Speaker 1: I was thinking it may have been because I think
Speaker 1: I saw your hand on the spray nozzle.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably, I mean, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm confused while your name wasn't mentioned, and
Speaker 1: don't give anything away because I don't want to get
Speaker 1: in trouble. But right my spidery eyes ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: sure that both people on that bar were.
Speaker 2: My co hosts Onto Typo Pop.
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm or deny that allegation at this time.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I also feel like I may have saw It's unclear
Speaker 1: if I saw your hand take the like soda nozzle
Speaker 1: you spray it into tameras crotch, or if that was
Speaker 1: her own hand sprang the sprite or whatever it may
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 2: I had this at this point. I don't even know
Speaker 2: what happened. I just know I'm sick, very sick, very ill.
Speaker 2: Apparently when you're forty eight you could not handle girls'
Speaker 2: nights out like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciated it, and thank you, you know, actually
Speaker 1: not thank you. I wish people didn't spoil it and
Speaker 1: post the videos because I would have been way more
Speaker 1: excited to make fun of you guys in real time
Speaker 1: when it's airing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure. I'm sure you'll do it again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't worry.
Speaker 1: I'll always have an opportunity to push forward. So I
Speaker 1: guess we start. Do you have any do you have
Speaker 1: any personal things you'd like to talk about before we
Speaker 1: get started?
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. Do you think there's
Speaker 2: an age limit for dancing on a bar like? Do
Speaker 2: you think there's an age limit for living out your
Speaker 2: coyote ugly dreams? No?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I mean, no one broke a hip,
Speaker 1: so you're not too old. No, I mean I've already
Speaker 1: done that.
Speaker 2: How we're past that? So I got a new hip.
Speaker 1: Now that's actually a sign you've already broken your hip
Speaker 1: and you have a new hip.
Speaker 2: I got a new hip I had. I had to
Speaker 2: try it out on the bar.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems that you're you're in good your your
Speaker 1: body is physically able to handle it.
Speaker 2: So I say, you're still fine to do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure if I was there, I probably
Speaker 1: would have joined you to do the same thing.
Speaker 2: But we had a place that we went to where.
Speaker 1: I was, where I grew up, where it was called
Speaker 1: my gosh, I don't know what its real name was.
Speaker 2: What we called it the Slimer because they would let
Speaker 2: like underage kids and it sounds like a classy place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, classy, yeah, I mean my fake I d My
Speaker 1: first fake id's name was Emily, was it?
Speaker 2: It was? You know why, because that's a very like respectable,
Speaker 2: like nice name. It doesn't it doesn't scream underage drinking. True.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't me. It was somebody else, And.
Speaker 1: I want to know whoever would have allowed this because
Speaker 1: Emily from my ID was not only thirty six years
Speaker 1: old when I was seventeen, but also she also brunette,
Speaker 1: yes not one part.
Speaker 2: She was also tall. We went with all of it.
Speaker 1: But people were like, whatever, if you must come to
Speaker 1: the Slimer to dance on the bar, just come on it,
Speaker 1: so be it, So be it. We'll give you two
Speaker 1: Long Islands Long Island iced tea so you can throw
Speaker 1: up when you leave and your parents will be really proud.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't really have anything to report other
Speaker 1: than I just I don't know. I know you've been
Speaker 1: on this workout journey, and this is not an ad
Speaker 1: you guys. This is just truly my curiosity. Have you
Speaker 1: done this EMS concierge before? No, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what that is. Holy, okay, so what's EMS is? It
Speaker 1: sounds like an emergency service. Well it feels like that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody that knows me knows I have all in.
Speaker 1: I work out every day in some capacity, whether it's
Speaker 1: a walk, a run, strength training, Like I'm always moving
Speaker 1: so stassy, which is why I'm telling the story. Stossy,
Speaker 1: who used to be on Ban of Pump Rules for
Speaker 1: a million years and who I think is very.
Speaker 2: Missed when I'm watching this.
Speaker 1: She posted on her stories a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: about it, and I asked her, I'm like, do you
Speaker 1: like it. She's like, I love it. It changed my body.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. I never believe people when they say things
Speaker 1: like that. Right, Like, I'm like, okay, we'll see and
Speaker 1: people will maybe call this cheating because it's the equivalent
Speaker 1: to a three to four hour workout in twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: But it is so hard. Wait, I don't understand what
Speaker 1: it is. It's a workout. Well, they come to your house,
Speaker 1: they strap you with a wet outfit, and then they
Speaker 1: put all these like I don't know electro. I didn't
Speaker 1: do much research on it. I just was influenced and
Speaker 1: tried it. I did it one time last week. You're
Speaker 1: only allowed to do it one time a week. That's
Speaker 1: how intense it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it hurt?
Speaker 1: I was sore for an entire seven days until I
Speaker 1: tried it again today and then it's twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm like shaking. My kids are laughing at me.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to report back, like after four weeks
Speaker 1: if I can really see a difference. But I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep going once a week because I have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to.
Speaker 2: But you've got to try it, and I need to.
Speaker 1: Know if you feel one hundred and seventy five when
Speaker 1: you try to do a squat, because squat with no way.
Speaker 1: It's like this, Like I say, it's like a machine.
Speaker 1: You hook yourself up to a machine. Yeah, well a
Speaker 1: professional hooks you up to a machine. Yeah, why we're here,
Speaker 1: I may as well plug all in if you want
Speaker 1: to go all in. We've also thanks a lot of Zimpic.
Speaker 2: We've now had to slash our price. Is it all in?
Speaker 1: But even if you're on ozimpic, all in is an
Speaker 1: amazing thing to do because once you go off of it,
Speaker 1: you have to stay consistent with your moving your body,
Speaker 1: what you're eating. And I think, Emily, your true testament
Speaker 1: to that. You're like, I, yes, but I am so
Speaker 1: we're con tired of the ozempic comments. It's been no
Speaker 1: but no, but your testament year right, But that is
Speaker 1: my point. You continued a healthy lifestyle, yes, afterwards, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I kept it off.
Speaker 2: I've kept the weight off for over a year now.
Speaker 2: And it's not because of ozempic. It's because I go
Speaker 2: to the gym seven days a week and I bust
Speaker 2: my ass and I don't eat crap anymore.
Speaker 1: And when you do, that's fine. It's not about never
Speaker 1: eating crap or no. I do order taco bell like
Speaker 1: once a month at like ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that is balanced.
Speaker 1: But I think the point is a lot of people
Speaker 1: are going to struggle if there is no sut if
Speaker 1: you don't continue on and you were to just take
Speaker 1: a shot and then you expect it to last forever. No,
Speaker 1: you have to change your mindset and you have to
Speaker 1: change soone different things. And that's why I'm talking about
Speaker 1: all In.
Speaker 2: Go to all In by.
Speaker 1: Teddy dot com and we will hold you accountable to
Speaker 1: whatever your life change may want to be. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the end of our plugs right now. It just
Speaker 1: naturally came up because I am very inspired by you
Speaker 1: watching your posts and how you have changed your story,
Speaker 1: and I think, oh, thank you. I think it's cool.
Speaker 1: The Vanderpump Rules headline starts off with Rachel Levis pops
Speaker 1: up on the runway at New York's Fashion Week amid
Speaker 1: new vander Pump Rules page six article. Here, she made
Speaker 1: her way to New York City in time for fashion Week,
Speaker 1: where she walked the runway for Claudie by Joanna Hernandez
Speaker 1: on Thursday, Sporting two different looks.
Speaker 2: She looks beautiful, she really does. She's very statuesque.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's statue at like she especially in this like
Speaker 1: third picture here where she's like and it looks like
Speaker 1: a silver gown. I mean, she looks like a ninety
Speaker 1: supermodel here, I mean hops to her.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 1: This is also written in the article She's a former
Speaker 1: pageant Queen won the title of Miss Sonoma County in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, twenty sixteen, oh twenty sixteen, my bad, and
Speaker 1: then later went on to compete in Miss California and
Speaker 1: Miss Malibu.
Speaker 2: Did you do pageants growing up?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I only did one pageant and it was, uh, this
Speaker 2: is this is people don't know this stuff about me.
Speaker 2: But I was married to a marine before I was
Speaker 2: married to Shane, and I actually did a missimper Fi pageant.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even tell you what. You don't know what
Speaker 2: Miss simper Fi like, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: Marine's like simper fi. Oh okay, okay, it means always faithful.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I was in law school at the time, so
Speaker 2: it had to have been like, oh two or three
Speaker 2: something like that, long time ago.
Speaker 1: And what was did you have a talent or was
Speaker 1: there a bathing.
Speaker 2: Suit portion No, I don't remember there was no. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think there was a bathing suit
Speaker 2: portion no. And I have no talent.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if you had to pick a
Speaker 1: talent right now, like if we were going to have
Speaker 1: to go on like a hush wife pageant, yes, something
Speaker 1: or other, what.
Speaker 2: Would your talent be? Well, I would have two. It
Speaker 2: would be dancing on bars if we could just bring
Speaker 2: a bar and okay, or just yelling at people. Really
Speaker 2: good at that.
Speaker 1: I'm really good at committing to saying I'm right about
Speaker 1: something even if I'm wrong right. And I'm also excellent
Speaker 1: at holding an a burp because I had constantly.
Speaker 2: Refos and especially.
Speaker 1: Today now that I kind of coffee like, you will
Speaker 1: hear trace of a burp, but it'll be nothing like
Speaker 1: what the burps wore when I had shep on the pod,
Speaker 1: where he.
Speaker 2: Was just the whole time. I mean, I think he.
Speaker 1: May have been slightly overserved at the point at that point,
Speaker 1: but I mean I've now become an expert at holding
Speaker 1: in burps. And then I can do one thing that
Speaker 1: I don't know that this is appropriate for.
Speaker 2: A miss, I'm scared faithful competition.
Speaker 1: Well, I need to know because I've only met three
Speaker 1: people in the world that can do this, and now
Speaker 1: I need to know if you're one of them.
Speaker 2: Probably not? What is it?
Speaker 1: Can you do this? No? My daughter is one of
Speaker 1: the three, and I feel like you just won the pageant.
Speaker 2: Can someone give her a crown? You just won?
Speaker 1: Hold on, there you go, my very first page and
Speaker 1: I won it for tongue tricks.
Speaker 2: Good job, good tongue tricks.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, okay, congratulations to Raquel Rachel.
Speaker 2: Here's a I do want to say.
Speaker 1: If we are officially changing her name back to Rachel
Speaker 1: and she has, I would appreciate page six and anybody
Speaker 1: who writes these rundowns to fall in line, because it
Speaker 1: is very confusing to my small brain to see both
Speaker 1: names written here. So page fie, I always say Rachel Raquel.
Speaker 1: I know, I mean it's some official person. And while
Speaker 1: we're there, also, let's switch from Schwartz to just shorts
Speaker 1: short the time.
Speaker 2: Just in the rundown.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with him just being Shorts.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll just go with Rachel and Shorts. This is
Speaker 2: a deadline article.
Speaker 1: Vanderpromp Rules Season ten Reunion, Part one becomes Bravo's most
Speaker 1: watch episode of all time, as network touts top rated
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This season was a sizable spike and
Speaker 1: viewership in the wake of scandaval. Even though the drama
Speaker 1: on screen hadn't caught up to the real life gossip
Speaker 1: just yet, viewers were eager to get into the series.
Speaker 1: That's probably why Part one of season ten reunion is
Speaker 1: now most watched with five point nine million viewers. That
Speaker 1: episode collected three point six million viewers in the eighteen
Speaker 1: to forty nine demo, which is the biggest demo audience
Speaker 1: for the network in more than twelve years. So this
Speaker 1: is where I have to say, Alex, do you still wish?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of.
Speaker 1: All never happened? And then vander Pomper Rules Season ten
Speaker 1: saw one hundred and nine percent growth compared to the
Speaker 1: year prior.
Speaker 2: Wow, what do you think do you think the part
Speaker 2: one everybody tuned in for part one and then they
Speaker 2: just dropped off for Part two and part three?
Speaker 1: Well, I think remember all of this dropped right before
Speaker 1: the reunion, so like they went back and filmed things
Speaker 1: after the fact. So like the last couple episodes weren't,
Speaker 1: you know, like it just we were still waiting for
Speaker 1: that sit down interview that Andy did with Tom Sandoval
Speaker 1: and with Rachel, So it was like there was so
Speaker 1: much anticipation. But I do think it really that's kind
Speaker 1: of all they talked about, and that's this is the problem.
Speaker 2: That's all they're talking about. Now, Yes, that is, and it's.
Speaker 1: Becoming problematic for me as a viewer to watch.
Speaker 2: I need more. I'm done, And I actually, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe this is probably an unpopular opinion, but by the
Speaker 2: end of the episode, I actually felt sorry for Tom,
Speaker 2: like I just felt badly for him.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's one thing for let's wait, we
Speaker 1: will talk. I agree with you, but we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that once we get through the headlines and this next
Speaker 1: one a news article. Rachel reacts to Tom saying he's
Speaker 1: still in love. During the Vander Pompoules episode from February sixth,
Speaker 1: Tom admitted he's still much in love with Levis. In response,
Speaker 1: she recently compared Sandoval's love bombing during their secret relationship
Speaker 1: to tactics used by cults to attract new members. Levice
Speaker 1: told relationship expert Calvin robertson I hope it's Robertson and
Speaker 1: not roberts Robertson Robertson on her February ninth episode of
Speaker 1: Rachel Goes Road podcast. It's interesting that you say its
Speaker 1: origin is from cults and religious institutions, because people joining
Speaker 1: churches or cults are trying to find a place of belonging,
Speaker 1: of acceptance. Gradually, over time, it becomes a control tactic.
Speaker 1: It's almost like that phrase of frog and boiling water.
Speaker 2: I don't know that phrase.
Speaker 1: Oh, you've never heard that before. It's like when you, okay,
Speaker 1: you put a frog in water and then you die. No,
Speaker 1: it's in the water, and then you turn the stove
Speaker 1: on to boil it, and it doesn't jump out because
Speaker 1: it's a gradual heating up. It doesn't know it's boiling.
Speaker 2: It's a slow death. It doesn't jump out because it
Speaker 2: just gradually gets hotter hotter, hotter hotter. It's like it
Speaker 2: doesn't notice, so it thinks it's enjoying life until it's crispy, right,
Speaker 2: like a hot tub.
Speaker 1: So they accepts you die at the end. Also, did
Speaker 1: you know that reptiles didn't have feelings? This is a
Speaker 1: new What do you mean you thought they did. I
Speaker 1: thought like when people had a pet iguana that like
Speaker 1: that iguana started to like you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think it really just wants to
Speaker 2: eat you.
Speaker 1: That's that's essentially like I watched this thing about how
Speaker 1: baby crocodiles will never love you, because even if you
Speaker 1: raise them from the beginning, it's not like a bit
Speaker 1: bowl that you have raised from the beginning in its
Speaker 1: nature versus anyways, I digress, She says, it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you say. She goes on about the colts and the
Speaker 1: boiling water, and then Levis also detailed her pattern of
Speaker 1: falling for narcissistic men as she noticed like her ex
Speaker 1: fiance James Kennedy.
Speaker 2: She admits, I fell in love.
Speaker 1: With one narcissistic asshole. After another relationship ended after five years,
Speaker 1: I fell into the hands of another narcissistic asshole. She adds,
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I missed out on some precious
Speaker 1: time learning these lessons the hard way.
Speaker 2: I just feel like this is just a tactic to
Speaker 2: completely blame someone else.
Speaker 1: And do I think that you know Tom Sandoval has
Speaker 1: narcissistic tendencies? Yes, I mean I'm not a doctor, but
Speaker 1: I think a majority of people on television on a
Speaker 1: reality television show.
Speaker 2: What are you saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that we might have a touch on them
Speaker 1: as well. Probably Okay, But here's my point. When you
Speaker 1: compare the relationship to him like a cult, like he's
Speaker 1: a cult leader, it's not taking any responsibility. It's basically
Speaker 1: putting on.
Speaker 2: The blame on him, saying that he has some you know,
Speaker 2: like cult like ability to turn her and to suck
Speaker 2: her in.
Speaker 1: There's like comparing him to Charles Manson, like it's like
Speaker 1: zero accountability.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I get it, maybe he's a narcissist
Speaker 2: and yeah, he's an asshole whatever. But by comparing it
Speaker 2: to a cult, that's like zero accountability on her part.
Speaker 2: She had no like no free will at all.
Speaker 1: And especially listen, whether he's in a uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a narciss sist or not. If she wanted to set boundaries,
Speaker 1: I personally think the way to set boundaries is to
Speaker 1: be transparent with that person you're setting boundaries with.
Speaker 2: Like I have somebody in my life.
Speaker 1: Who you know, is a part of my not not
Speaker 1: my household, but somebody in my life that I've had
Speaker 1: to set boundaries with. I didn't set them in private,
Speaker 1: I set them to that person, like, just so you know,
Speaker 1: this doesn't work for me. If this is the way
Speaker 1: that you're going to talk to me about blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. These are my Yeah, this is my comfort levels,
Speaker 1: it's my friend a friendship, this is a fair family,
Speaker 1: a family men her Okay that just like this is
Speaker 1: this is what works for me, and this is what doesn't.
Speaker 1: So if I'm not responsive to blah blah blah, this
Speaker 1: is why. And I just am confused. Did they never
Speaker 1: have a conversation where she said I'm done, she just
Speaker 1: stop talking to him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. That's an interesting question. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Is there a conversation where they said we're going to
Speaker 2: go our separate ways. I don't feel like there is, because.
Speaker 1: Because he's waiting on her to call on his birthday
Speaker 1: and he seems really upset and he's saying he's in
Speaker 1: love with their billy Lee gets involved. But we'll continue on.
Speaker 1: But that's my question, Like, if you're with a narcissist
Speaker 1: or whomever, an alleged narcissist, do you have the conversation
Speaker 1: it's over or you just ice them out? One would
Speaker 1: think like, that's like cooking a slow frog as well. Well.
Speaker 2: I think you probably have to just ghost them at
Speaker 2: this point, because how do you have an effective conversation.
Speaker 1: I think you can send a message with a lightning bolt.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say she could just card a postcard.
Speaker 1: She could send a postcard and could get it when
Speaker 1: Ann's cleaning up after the birthday. It could say happy birthday.
Speaker 1: I wanted to let you know that this is no
Speaker 1: longer a conducive relationship for me. I feel manipulated. I
Speaker 1: don't need to hear your response, but it's.
Speaker 2: Over, right, and then Anne could tell him.
Speaker 1: And then Anne could gossip with Arianna about it.
Speaker 2: Right. It sounds like the perfect scenario, like I nailed it.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, speaking of things not nailed.
Speaker 1: And listen, we were feeling bad for you, Tom, but
Speaker 1: then this video that Billy Lee posted.
Speaker 2: Really see that's the problem.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, and then I see that,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, Okay, now I don't feel badly.
Speaker 2: For you anymore. Yeah, so he's you know.
Speaker 1: The video comes after Santa Fall's appearance on the Billy
Speaker 1: and the Kid podcast, where he referred to Robinson as
Speaker 1: his addiction following their initial date, so he said, this week,
Speaker 1: my addiction of the week is definitely my friend Victoria
Speaker 1: I have been hanging out with. She's definitely super awesome
Speaker 1: and she's one of the sweetest people. She is a model,
Speaker 1: and she works a lot, and she's very successful. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's trying to get at Rache with those comments right there,
Speaker 1: right right there. She does well for herself, but she
Speaker 1: is also very humble and cool. She's very sweet. Santoval
Speaker 1: and Robinson have not officially announced or confirmed the relationship status. However,
Speaker 1: in late January twenty twenty four, both shared Instagram post
Speaker 1: that featured the two of them.
Speaker 2: But hold on, the video is where I was. I
Speaker 2: feel like the I feel like the video confirms their
Speaker 2: relationship status.
Speaker 1: But here's and maybe maybe this is just me so
Speaker 1: like I have a thing.
Speaker 2: You know, I ride horses. I love horses.
Speaker 1: I've never been into guys that ride horses because I
Speaker 1: have a real hang up about somebody needing to be
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm attracted to needs to be better
Speaker 1: than me at something I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're the best at horseback riding, so you
Speaker 2: can no, I'm not the best.
Speaker 1: But if there was a guy that was not most
Speaker 1: of the attractive male horse riders. Yes, maybe aren't the
Speaker 1: best riders, But that's how I feel about watching Tom
Speaker 1: sing that song close to Victoria's mouth before kissing her, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do that move, you need to sound
Speaker 1: like I don't even know, like, you need to sound
Speaker 1: like Sean Mendes. It can't sound the way it sound
Speaker 1: and be sexy. You need to look and sound like
Speaker 1: Sean Mendez. If you're gonna take your shirt off and
Speaker 1: kiss me on someone's insist story, that's just the rules.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if not Sean Mendez, Justin Bieber, Justin I love
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber. He's kind of me too, right, I know,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I feel like, you know, he
Speaker 1: and Haley are they broken up or are they still together?
Speaker 2: They were together at the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess they're still together. He was trying
Speaker 1: to kind of kiss her. She was like, and he
Speaker 1: was like, she kind of pulled away. So then, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course I've dissected that eighty two times. But long
Speaker 1: story short, it wasn't hot to me hearing him sing
Speaker 1: doing that move. Yeah, I guess maybe without a shirt on.
Speaker 1: I feel like he should just rap I mean, or
Speaker 1: I mean lip syncing is an option that's true too,
Speaker 1: or voice lessons, or maybe he sounds better when he's
Speaker 1: not leaning in to try to kiss somebody and Joel's
Speaker 1: so maybe don't do that.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. All right, on to episode three.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back to
Speaker 1: talk about episode three.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back.
Speaker 1: Episode three, Shorts tell Sandoval he should have apologized for
Speaker 1: the ultimate betrayal. Sandoval says James did the same thing
Speaker 1: to him, but much worse with Kristen. You see Shorts
Speaker 1: in this moment, like, can I do just apologize, Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 2: To help you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like throw you a softball and you
Speaker 1: just keep pounding.
Speaker 2: At it and screwing stuff up. Yeah. So okay, So
Speaker 2: in this moment, even if he doesn't feel like he
Speaker 2: should apologize for some for this ultimate betrayal, you think
Speaker 2: he should have just done it anyway, just to get
Speaker 2: back in the good grases of people, Like is there
Speaker 2: a part where you just eat shit where you're just like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry so that you can move forward.
Speaker 1: Like you're right I see I handled this like an asshole.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have done things differently. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Just even if you're not, even if you thought you
Speaker 3: were madly in love with this girl, even if your
Speaker 3: other relationship was flawed, even if he's done it to
Speaker 3: you at this point, none of that matters because us,
Speaker 3: as the viewers of Vanderpump rules at having to recap
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of trying to watch two different
Speaker 1: casts because people refuse to be in your so right
Speaker 1: only for the sake of me and Emily right, just
Speaker 1: say you're freaking sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can talk about something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Shorts emphasize. Shorts emphasizes if he gets really
Speaker 1: upset every time someone confronts him, it's going.
Speaker 2: To have a negative impact on his life.
Speaker 1: Is nobody going to ask why Sandoval has a giant
Speaker 1: pair of anal beads around his neck at this party,
Speaker 1: because that's also something I noticed.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just like a It looks like
Speaker 2: a giant caterpillar that like kids made in like their
Speaker 2: preschool class. That's all I can think about, Like, like,
Speaker 2: what group of preschoolers made this for you? And you're
Speaker 2: wearing it, like do you have a little sister we don't.
Speaker 1: Know about, Like we need information. But then we go
Speaker 1: from the anal beads and the singing happy Birthday to
Speaker 1: James and Ali arrive to Emo Night. James tells Ariana
Speaker 1: he came back from the house He's says Sandoval brought
Speaker 1: up Kristen After asking for an apology, Ariana says Sandoval
Speaker 1: only has people left in his life that he pays.
Speaker 1: And then they did a montage with all the people
Speaker 1: in his life that he pays. Yeah, and then they
Speaker 1: were like and they were like, these are the moments,
Speaker 1: the moments we live for. And then Schwartz arrives to
Speaker 1: Emo Knight and apologizes for missing Sena set Shina tells
Speaker 1: him this is what happens when she chooses Sandoval. Sandoval
Speaker 1: is thankful that everyone is a part of his life.
Speaker 1: He's sad that Rachel didn't text him happy birthday, which
Speaker 1: led us to something we talked about in the headlines,
Speaker 1: which he was expecting a call.
Speaker 2: Then maybe there was no breakup, but I mean at
Speaker 2: least a birthday postcard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, or like a birthday lamp, a birthday postcard,
Speaker 1: but also if you really are living your best life
Speaker 1: for Ariana, what do you care?
Speaker 2: Wait? Didn't he buy her a lamp that she touches
Speaker 2: and then he touches and then they touch it at
Speaker 2: the same time. Remember the lamp?
Speaker 1: Did you make this up?
Speaker 2: Did this actually happened? And I blocked it out? So
Speaker 2: there's like a laymp like he bought her a lamp.
Speaker 2: It's like a light and when she touches it like
Speaker 2: a no, like flap on. He touches the lamp and
Speaker 2: he touches the lamp at the same sign. I've had
Speaker 2: a lot of take well.
Speaker 1: I don't remember this. I'm not saying you're not right.
Speaker 1: If this is right, this is brilliant. But all of
Speaker 1: this is it's it's really trying hard. And I can
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen is they are going to
Speaker 1: keep pitting.
Speaker 2: Shena flip flopping back and.
Speaker 1: Forth and uh, but I would probably be like Shena
Speaker 1: in this moment.
Speaker 2: I see both sides.
Speaker 1: But I also missed the part where Sheena was best
Speaker 1: friends with Arianna because she says that in this episode
Speaker 1: is my best friend.
Speaker 2: But are we gonna make those vibes?
Speaker 1: Because to me, Katie and Katie and Ariana our.
Speaker 2: Best friend see thank you there was a lamp. I
Speaker 2: just would like to confirm, Oh Tom bought Rachel a
Speaker 2: friendship lamp. I can't.
Speaker 1: And when they touch it, like she touches it or
Speaker 1: he touches it, it like lights up so they can
Speaker 1: tell each other that.
Speaker 2: They're like thinking of each other in different locations.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, our one of our producers just said, that's
Speaker 1: so cringe.
Speaker 2: I actually don't hate it. I don't like I was wondering,
Speaker 2: like on his birthday, maybe she touched the lamp to
Speaker 2: like let him know that she was thinking of him
Speaker 2: on his birthday. I'm a genie in a buttle baby.
Speaker 2: I can't. I need to know.
Speaker 1: Then after Emo night where they all had side parts,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have a side part every day and
Speaker 1: I'm not EMO, Like, why Joe, why do you have
Speaker 1: to take away the ninety from us? Right? I love
Speaker 1: the side part. I still rock a side part. I
Speaker 1: mean we because we're old. I mean, even though I'm
Speaker 1: a little older than you, I wouldn't say a lot.
Speaker 1: Are you in your fifties yet? No, I'm still forty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're not a lot? Then, Ariana and Katie get ivs.
Speaker 1: They're in the house, they're in the place where they share.
Speaker 1: Guess what Anne's doing.
Speaker 2: Cleaning up dead birthday flowers. That's what Anne's doing. Every
Speaker 2: episode has dead birthday flowers. I just would like to
Speaker 2: point that out. I just can't.
Speaker 1: And then Arianna says people manipulate she Nea to feel
Speaker 1: bad for them. Katie admits it makes her nervous to
Speaker 1: get close to her. Would it matter to you if
Speaker 1: Sheena was still engaging with Shorts or Sandoval?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. But that's from an outsider viewpoint,
Speaker 2: so I don't know what it was would feel like
Speaker 2: to go through all those emotions within the group. From
Speaker 2: me watching it from an outsider, I'm like, who cares
Speaker 2: if she talks to him? He seems like a nice guy.
Speaker 1: But well, this is always I mean, I've from the
Speaker 1: couple of years that I have watched this show, it
Speaker 1: seems like if there is a girl that they always
Speaker 1: leave out, it's Shena. So a lot of the time
Speaker 1: her relationship has been with these guys, and so she's
Speaker 1: leave her out, Yeah, because the girls leave her out.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like to then be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't be friends with this person when clearly nobody's
Speaker 1: freaking dumb these they're all paid to be on the
Speaker 1: same show, right And I'm here to tell.
Speaker 2: You right now, you and I will not do well.
Speaker 1: If you start saying you refuse to film with somebody,
Speaker 1: even on your show that has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1: But I have to recap it. I just think it's
Speaker 1: obnoxious behavior.
Speaker 2: I don't do that. I've never done that.
Speaker 1: I'm a team player, team player, but Anne is actually
Speaker 1: a bigger team player than you, and I need to
Speaker 1: know what her full job description is.
Speaker 2: Is it assistant.
Speaker 4: Housekeeper, mediator or up balloon blower upper yeah, male opener,
Speaker 4: male opener.
Speaker 2: And then white noise turner on.
Speaker 1: Off her purchaser of friendship lamps. I want to know
Speaker 1: what this position pays, because, like, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is actually I.
Speaker 2: Can do these things, you know, because Anne is very tactful.
Speaker 2: She manages both relationships. You would be an asshole.
Speaker 1: There's no way you could do it.
Speaker 2: Coming there, Oh it's not. You would be in the
Speaker 2: middle of everything.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hold on, yeah, Arianna, let's get real pissed.
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh my god, Tom, she is
Speaker 1: such a beach, you would be. I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 1: I just stir it, keep it, that's right. Then Sandoval
Speaker 1: brings Lisa flowers up pump where there's more dead flowers
Speaker 1: and half bottles of champagne and things have taken a
Speaker 1: rough time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's all she needs is more flowers, when
Speaker 2: clearly she's trying to move flowers out of that location.
Speaker 1: She's like, if I could, I could do something, It'd
Speaker 1: be a foot massage or a truck or.
Speaker 2: Or some big boxes. Right, can you carry this shit out?
Speaker 2: Can you take the ship to shorts? And Sandy's please?
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, but I hate.
Speaker 2: I hate to even say this because it paints me.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with everything the LVP said in
Speaker 1: this scene.
Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with everything she said. She was on it.
Speaker 2: She was on the ball.
Speaker 1: She was on the ball. She is trying to level
Speaker 1: with Sandoval. She's not being mean to him. He starts
Speaker 1: to get a like, you know.
Speaker 2: Like you're attacking me and she wasn't.
Speaker 1: And she wasn't, And she levels him back down. She
Speaker 1: gets him to take some sort of accountability. She talks
Speaker 1: about suicide, and she talks about it in a way
Speaker 1: that I think as.
Speaker 2: A viewer, you really can understand.
Speaker 1: You hear the backstory, like I do, see Lisa More
Speaker 1: as the producer who cares about the show versus a
Speaker 1: mother figure.
Speaker 2: Though I felt like it was both. I mean, I
Speaker 2: understand she's a producer, but I did feel like it
Speaker 2: was genuine. It felt like tough love to me, where
Speaker 2: it was like solid advice. What are you doing? Move
Speaker 2: out of the house. You know, if you're having these
Speaker 2: dark thoughts, you have to tell someone, talk to me.
Speaker 2: I'll be there for you. I don't know. I liked
Speaker 2: what she said. She was on point the whole time.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I thought she was on point. But the problem is
Speaker 1: we find that it didn't really work. But I can't help.
Speaker 1: Like Standival says something, he goes, oh, no, Shorts actually
Speaker 1: said this. But when he walks up when they're at
Speaker 1: wherever they are, sir, wherever the heck they are, see
Speaker 1: you next Tuesday, and he says, you know, I'd rather
Speaker 1: be treated like at least they're acknowledging my presence. I'd
Speaker 1: prefer that and being rude to me or you know,
Speaker 1: with hate or whatever, then indifference.
Speaker 2: See. I agree with that statement because I've always said
Speaker 2: when it comes to an ex or someone in your
Speaker 2: life that's toxic. If you can get to the point
Speaker 2: where you're indifferent, then that's the ultimate feeling. Like that's
Speaker 2: where you've reached, like the top of the mountain, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like with Shane's ex wife, Like
Speaker 2: I feel indifference. I don't feel jealousy or hate or anything,
Speaker 2: because all those emotions our strong emotions. But when you
Speaker 2: feel indifference, that literally means that you've means you're done.
Speaker 2: You're just you're done, you don't care. Yeah, And difference
Speaker 2: is just it's a good place to be when it
Speaker 2: comes to X's I don't know if it's a good
Speaker 2: place to be when you're on a show, when you're
Speaker 2: on a reality television show.
Speaker 1: Getting iced out right, we get to Sena and Katie
Speaker 1: going out for dinner. Sena says they used to be
Speaker 1: close and they're trying to spend more one on one
Speaker 1: time together. The foreshadowing shadowing of this is brilliant because
Speaker 1: at some point we're going to see that Shena made
Speaker 1: out with Shorts allegedly, and so I'm wondering if this
Speaker 1: is just about to be whatever, and this is going
Speaker 1: to sound bad, but it's it's a little bit hard
Speaker 1: for me to see nobody really getting messy on ban rules.
Speaker 1: Like I appreciate when Lala and Lala and James are
Speaker 1: sober because I think it's there they bring it regardless,
Speaker 1: this is their life. It's something that's better for their life.
Speaker 1: But when people are dabbling in sober curiosity, it's not.
Speaker 2: That's such a it's such a funny term though, sober
Speaker 2: curious like that. Just I mean, why does it even
Speaker 2: have a term? It has its own term where you're
Speaker 2: just like thinking about not drinking, it has a term. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: When I think Vanderpump rules, I don't see like a
Speaker 1: sober group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can all just sit around and hold hands
Speaker 2: and sing Kumbaia and talk about how they inspire each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and go to meetings like this isn't. This isn't
Speaker 1: what's happening. So, I mean, I guess the sober curiosity
Speaker 1: with the juice crafters, little thing that Shorts it's going
Speaker 1: to have to do. But then we get to Shorts
Speaker 1: telling Lisa that his oh gosh, now the segue into
Speaker 1: this really makes me look like an asshole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are an asshole.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I am, at least I have accountability.
Speaker 1: But Shurtz tells Lisa that his brother Bert was rushed
Speaker 1: to the hospital, possibly for cirrhosis. Bert was jumped outside
Speaker 1: of a bar and was never the same. Lisa says,
Speaker 1: did he really drink that much? And then Lisa says
Speaker 1: she's opening a new restaurant in Tahoe. Shorts invites himself,
Speaker 1: and of course Lisa goes.
Speaker 2: Sure, but invite everybody. Yeah, it's a cast trip, It's okay.
Speaker 1: But then also, why when Schwartz was doing the inviting
Speaker 1: of everybody, did he tell them you can get your
Speaker 1: own place?
Speaker 2: Like do they have to on cast trips? They have
Speaker 2: to pay for their own hotel room. I guess if
Speaker 2: you don't stay, if you don't stay at the Lisa
Speaker 2: Vanderbalm Tahoe location, you have to get your own I.
Speaker 1: Like that, all chomping at the bit. Then they're at
Speaker 1: the oh, we could just call it the sur circle.
Speaker 1: They're at their sur circle and Sandoval is ready to
Speaker 1: be apologetic to the rest of the group. Arianna says
Speaker 1: she doesn't want Sandoval in her circle. She speaks for
Speaker 1: the full group. Sandoval apologizes to Jesse, the waiter of Allay.
Speaker 2: This this whole scene where Sandoval shows up and then
Speaker 2: he sits at the table, The whole scene like gave
Speaker 2: me a little anxiety because I just I felt I
Speaker 2: felt badly for him, well.
Speaker 1: Because you know, he's like showing up and it's because
Speaker 1: he has to. He's under contract rights, so awkward, he
Speaker 1: knows no one wants him there. And I'm feeling bad
Speaker 1: for Schwartz too, because like, why because your friend has
Speaker 1: done an asshole move, is that really Schwartz's fault.
Speaker 2: No, That's that's why I don't understand the backlash against Shorts,
Speaker 2: like let it go, let him, let him be friends
Speaker 2: with him, let him be friends with everybody. There has
Speaker 2: to be someone that bridges the gap.
Speaker 1: So I mean, they think he conspired, but still just
Speaker 1: because they think he conspired with him about it, you know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they need to be so mean
Speaker 1: about Schortz's wrinkled shirt.
Speaker 2: Like that made me sad. And then he was like
Speaker 2: I feel he's like it's the same, says Well. I
Speaker 2: was like, I felt really.
Speaker 1: Sad about it, and I was like, and you don't
Speaker 1: you can tell he's like going through Shorts is going
Speaker 1: through it too.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are they being so fucking mean to Shorts?
Speaker 2: And it's like he's regaled.
Speaker 1: Sure, he's trying, he's trying, and he did say he
Speaker 1: ironed it, like gosh. But then Shorts does the inviting
Speaker 1: to the whole group and Arianna, you know, when.
Speaker 2: She says she will not be near her ex, Laala.
Speaker 1: Asks Shorts why he feels the need to stand by
Speaker 1: Sandoval's side. Shorts says their friendship is strained. Lala says
Speaker 1: he'll look back and regret this. I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: confused here because La La last week was kind of
Speaker 1: the voice of reason saying what we were all saying.
Speaker 1: But I mean, she reached out to Rachel. Then she
Speaker 1: reached out to Rachel, and she also asked, Arianna, you know,
Speaker 1: why don't you move out of the house, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a little it's it's a little playing
Speaker 2: both sides. But I feel like she she just says
Speaker 2: the things that she that the audience is thinking at
Speaker 2: the time, even if it contradicts what she said the
Speaker 2: week before.
Speaker 5: But I guess she's giving us what we need. We
Speaker 5: need all of these questions and kind of the la
Speaker 5: la too. Like I feel like I'm the one that
Speaker 5: does that kind of stuff too, because I can I
Speaker 5: know what people want to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then Ariana tells Shorts she gave up on him.
Speaker 2: This was also it's too much.
Speaker 1: Uh. She tells Shorts she gave up on him and
Speaker 1: her life is a lot better because of it. Schwortz
Speaker 1: tells her not to speak for the group and her
Speaker 1: ego is getting a little too big. I don't under
Speaker 1: like you've already come for Shorts for months. You see
Speaker 1: that you're all going to be filming together. They didn't
Speaker 1: fire these guys, so stuck it up, Buttercup at this point,
Speaker 1: like they're not they didn't fire them. If they fired them,
Speaker 1: or the guys didn't come back, go for it, break
Speaker 1: them through the coals. But they're there. Yeah, so make
Speaker 1: some effort. Do you think that her ego is getting
Speaker 1: a little too big? Do you agree with what he said?
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's necessarily her ego, But I
Speaker 1: don't think that the you know what we were talking
Speaker 1: about earlier with Indifferent, she hasn't hit the I feeled
Speaker 1: enough that I'm indifferent.
Speaker 2: She's in the angry stage right now, which to me,
Speaker 2: I mean she's not over she's in the hatred stage.
Speaker 1: Like she's very like, very emotional hate anger stage.
Speaker 2: She's definitely not over it. She needs to get to indifference.
Speaker 2: If she gets to indifference, she is good, golden. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Once she gets to indifference, she won't give a shit
Speaker 1: if he's sitting there or not sitting there.
Speaker 2: She can still carry on a conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in situations where I will not
Speaker 1: look at that person, talk to them whatever. But they
Speaker 1: could be at the same party as me, the same
Speaker 1: dinner as me, the same whatever. Right, but we can
Speaker 1: be in the same place. But I also can't imagine
Speaker 1: producers are like nobody's talking to Santoval. Shina, put your
Speaker 1: giant sunglasses on and casually walk past that romantic looking
Speaker 1: too top and see what he does.
Speaker 2: I know that was awkward too. That was so cringey.
Speaker 1: I oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And then he's like Sina, and then she turns around,
Speaker 2: and then there's like this awkward silence where they just
Speaker 2: stare at each other, and then she's like sunglasses on
Speaker 2: and like slow motion, it's like, can we and I'm like,
Speaker 2: and she's like, not here in public. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be seen with you. Basically, I will talk to
Speaker 2: you in the alley.
Speaker 1: I will talk to you in the alley where we
Speaker 1: all used to be hammered and drink SIGs and have
Speaker 1: sex with each other, but now we don't because we're
Speaker 1: sober curious.
Speaker 2: That's right, drink siggs. I drink and have smoke SIGs.
Speaker 2: Drink and have SIGs in the SIGs in the alley.
Speaker 1: But then when they go to sit down to talk,
Speaker 1: I start to think that this is going to be
Speaker 1: a good conversation.
Speaker 2: No, it's not good. No, it didn't end up that way.
Speaker 2: Did not in that way. I was like, I had
Speaker 2: like secondhand cringe embarrassment the whole time the conversation was
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: I was like, I also want to understand because on
Speaker 1: Real Housewives, when it's a dramatic scene, you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to keep your sunglasses on, especially at night, Like I
Speaker 1: have worn sunglass one.
Speaker 2: I don't wear sunglasses at night because I'm not what,
Speaker 2: are you a rock star? I'm not. I am not.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a hit on uber eat
Speaker 1: as good as gold, So I cannot. I can't justify
Speaker 1: sunglasses at night, especially if I was sober and had
Speaker 1: sunglasses on at night, like someone checked my pulse. But
Speaker 1: I I'm wondering, like I want to see somebody's eyes,
Speaker 1: and I remember that being a thing like that wasn't
Speaker 1: that you weren't allowed, but like the action would say, hey,
Speaker 1: can you take your sunglasses off? And like on Real
Speaker 1: Housewives in Miami, not Gertie, Kiki takes her sunglasses off
Speaker 1: and says, I'm taking my sunglasses off so you can
Speaker 1: see me like my emotion or having the sunglasses on,
Speaker 1: I couldn't see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was night right and the alley was dark.
Speaker 2: It was nice, it was nighttime.
Speaker 1: That's my point.
Speaker 2: I we mass sun lasses that night. But I mean,
Speaker 2: she looks hot.
Speaker 1: But Sandoval says he can't do anything about the past.
Speaker 1: Sheena emphasizes that he can be apologetic and remorseful. Sandoval
Speaker 1: says he did apologize and he would love to talk
Speaker 1: to Ariana because she has been the only one not
Speaker 1: coming after him.
Speaker 2: I confused, Yeah, well, I guess because she's not publicly
Speaker 2: coming after him on our Instagram. I don't know. I mean, clearly, well,
Speaker 2: I guess because they have an to mediate their conversations.
Speaker 2: So that's why I guess she's not coming after him
Speaker 2: because anything she needs to say it goes through. And
Speaker 2: so maybe that's just a safe space for him. Well,
Speaker 2: but everyone else he has to confront. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That didn't make sense now.
Speaker 1: I think he's saying that she publicly hasn't gone on
Speaker 1: a press tour to talk badly about him.
Speaker 2: But she doesn't need to. He has everybody else doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, she's too busy making money and being in
Speaker 2: every commercial possible. She doesn't have time to bash. She's
Speaker 2: on Broadway.
Speaker 1: She didn't have time to go on and have the
Speaker 1: guy from Shaws of Sunset come on her pod and
Speaker 1: talk about Rachel Raquel.
Speaker 2: What did you think? So when Sheena reached out to
Speaker 2: him by text to say she was sorry about his
Speaker 2: friend that had died Ari, Yeah, but it was also
Speaker 2: like her podcast was released at the same time. That
Speaker 2: was like brought Niema on. That was like talking about
Speaker 2: all these sexual things with Raquel. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think what he's most mad about is the open
Speaker 1: relationship comment.
Speaker 2: Right that someone's saying that he said that, right, that
Speaker 2: he said that he and Arianna had an open relationship, right,
Speaker 2: and that's what he's mad about.
Speaker 1: I think he's mad about that, and that Rachel begged
Speaker 1: him to have begged Niema to have sex with him
Speaker 1: on Sheena's bed. He thought that was embarrassing for Rachel
Speaker 1: and the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, I can see how all of that is very
Speaker 2: muddy and very embarrassing. So I understand why if all
Speaker 2: that stuff came out on a podcast at the same
Speaker 2: time she's reaching out and saying, hey, I'm sorry about
Speaker 2: your friends, I understand how that can all get muddled.
Speaker 1: I mean, to play Devil's advocate. There is a chance
Speaker 1: some people pre record their podcast, so like it could
Speaker 1: have been a week prior. It could have we personally
Speaker 1: could have been because we have to recap a show
Speaker 1: we're watching.
Speaker 2: But I know a lot of.
Speaker 1: Podcasts like film as many as they can and release
Speaker 1: them and release them.
Speaker 2: So it was bad timing.
Speaker 1: It could have been bad timing. I don't actually know
Speaker 1: the answer to this. I can't say I don't think
Speaker 1: Sheena is necessarily a malicious person. I think she's hurt
Speaker 1: by all of it, and I guess I didn't fully
Speaker 1: understand how much hurt. She was in about it because
Speaker 1: I because I didn't watch the beginning of vander Pumper,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how long of a relationship her and
Speaker 1: Sandval had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did do a recap of that and then
Speaker 2: all yeah, like oh they didn't. They have known each
Speaker 2: other fourteen years and shared things. And so do you
Speaker 2: think she's hurt because of what he did to Ariana
Speaker 2: or because he was just because he just lied and
Speaker 2: he was deceitful. So is she hurt by just his
Speaker 2: deceitfulness in general?
Speaker 1: I think ultimately she's hurt by Rachel because Rachel lied
Speaker 1: to her and then there was the restraining order, and
Speaker 1: then there was the alleged altercation and all that stuff happened,
Speaker 1: and Tom stood by Rachel knowing the truth.
Speaker 2: So she felt like he chose Rachel. And I think she.
Speaker 1: Felt at that time that her job could have been
Speaker 1: compromised because remember they could not film the reunion at
Speaker 1: the same stage, right because of the restraining order. Yes,
Speaker 1: so like when you like, when somebody's gonna mess with
Speaker 1: your bag, like right, Not only did she ride hard
Speaker 1: for Rachel and do everything she can to try to
Speaker 1: say that Rachel is not at fault. I trust her
Speaker 1: sleeping in a bed with Brock like all these things.
Speaker 1: Now she's not only you know, like it's just I
Speaker 1: think that is ultimately what happened. And then Tom kind
Speaker 1: of just throwing Sheena away made her feel sad because
Speaker 1: I and I know it's hard to believe, but I
Speaker 1: can struggle with people pleasing tendencies as well.
Speaker 6: Really, I know, I mean, not with not with you,
Speaker 6: that's fine, I'm just kidding, but I think.
Speaker 1: That it all overall hurt her. But Tom saying, as
Speaker 1: she's walking off and once again they're not getting anywhere,
Speaker 1: and she couldn't even nicely say she was like they were.
Speaker 1: She was mad that he brought her her favorite drink,
Speaker 1: like like how would he know y'all aren't talking?
Speaker 2: I know, And she's like, she's said, like three weeks,
Speaker 2: it's been three weeks. I've been sober for three weeks.
Speaker 2: She said it multiple times. I was like, this guy
Speaker 2: could not he could not do anything right. He didn't
Speaker 2: even get to chime in that I'm sober too for
Speaker 2: Rachel right now. But I mean he takes he tries
Speaker 2: to take flowers to vander Palm. That is bad. He's
Speaker 2: trying to bring Sena a drink. It's like he just stands.
Speaker 1: To just hang his head and say, I am so sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry for everything, and just even if
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe it, continue on. But as Sheena's walking off,
Speaker 1: it's like a dun dum, she said. Sandoval says that
Speaker 1: he had to talk Rachel down after the podcast. He
Speaker 1: tells Sheena the loss of their friendship has been devastating.
Speaker 1: So in closing of this episode, do we think that
Speaker 1: Sheena ol' cave and start to befriend Sandoval again?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I hope so yeah. I hope so too.
Speaker 1: I think we need we just even like I also
Speaker 1: want Katie to get a little real in this moment.
Speaker 1: You're on a show with your ex husband. You're both
Speaker 1: on the show, you're both paid to be on the show.
Speaker 1: Nobody's making you do that. You're gonna have to acknowledge
Speaker 1: his presence or just be okay with him being around
Speaker 1: and not make him feel stupid for inviting you guys
Speaker 1: to cast trips that he clearly has to do for production, right,
Speaker 1: and not make fun of his shirt because he ironed it,
Speaker 1: and and give him a break.
Speaker 2: Give him shorts up break for the likeliness.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, thank you for tuning in for
Speaker 1: another episode of Popping Off with Teddy and Emily.
Speaker 2: Bye, you guys.