Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Metater Podcast.
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Speaker 2: the show. Eleven am. Mountain time. Don't you just say
Speaker 2: all this, Phil? Do you tell people what time it is?
Speaker 2: They like, they don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean that's in the script every week. I mean
Speaker 3: they could look at the clock, but it's just kind
Speaker 3: of a way to mark place and time here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Here's where it gets tricky, Phil, is that
Speaker 2: they're looking at a clock because they're watching on a
Speaker 2: computer or the phone.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you just think it's it's redundant.
Speaker 2: It's eleven am.
Speaker 3: This is discussion. Thank you.
Speaker 2: January thirtieth, Meeting at her headquarters and bos of Montana.
Speaker 2: I'm your host today, Steven Ronello. Today I'm joined by
Speaker 2: Brody Henderson and Maggie Hudler And are you how are
Speaker 2: you not here?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Tory is not. If someone thinks Cory Calkin's series not.
Speaker 5: He's kind of not here like Corina is often.
Speaker 2: Not He's not here. He's not here, He's not in
Speaker 2: the room. On today's show, we got a couple of
Speaker 2: things coming up. So on today's show, We're gonna chat
Speaker 2: with Rick and Marty Laguina from History Channels to Curse
Speaker 2: of Oak Island for a couple of reasons. One they're
Speaker 2: fellow Michiganders. That's my home state. Two they're from the
Speaker 2: cool part of Michigan, which is the Upper Peninsula. And
Speaker 2: three I'm riding on their shirt tails. You know, you
Speaker 2: hear coat tails and shirttails. I don't know which is
Speaker 2: the better. Supposed to do the shirts.
Speaker 5: Have tails coattails? Well, sure they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind Yeah, they used to man shirts hang out.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always try to find those shirts that don't have
Speaker 2: that exaggerated I like the straight ones. If it's two straight,
Speaker 2: it looks goofy though yet to be careful. Uh, We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk to those fellas because I'm riding on their
Speaker 2: shirt tails on the History Channel and so you know
Speaker 2: they get the you know what it is, it's like
Speaker 2: the opposite like you think. Like the other night I
Speaker 2: was at I went to a stand up show, right so,
Speaker 2: and uh I went to see me and my boy
Speaker 2: went to see Kevin Hart. And Kevin Hart like Kevin Hart,
Speaker 2: don't come out first? Do you follow me? They have Yeah,
Speaker 2: other dudes come out and they get everybody kind of
Speaker 2: fluffed up, and then Kevin Hart comes out. So this
Speaker 2: is the opposite where like these guys get the audience,
Speaker 2: they're like the Kevin Hart and then I'm like the
Speaker 2: follow up dude. I'm like the dude, the support is terrible.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk to them about that. Uh, we're
Speaker 2: also gonna get into this most Januaries, I missed out
Speaker 2: one time because of COVID. Every January we go down
Speaker 2: to Hunt Kosire in Old Mexico. Uh, this year, at
Speaker 2: the last second I had I had to bail because
Speaker 2: my little boy had to get a knee surgery and
Speaker 2: he was gonna be laid up and is laid up,
Speaker 2: so I couldn't go. So we're gonna check in with
Speaker 2: the fellows that did make it down to Mexico, Chase
Speaker 2: and Kuzier, so I can find out what all happened.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: They were not feeding me any information, I think out
Speaker 2: of respect because I couldn't be there, so they wanted
Speaker 2: they didn't want to make me jealous. So I'm kind
Speaker 2: of in the dark about how that all went. And
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to Parker Bradley from Alaska fish and
Speaker 2: game about some interesting pike behavior. We've touched on this
Speaker 2: a couple of times in the past, but like northern
Speaker 2: pike being in I mean, all over the damn country.
Speaker 2: Northern pike live in lakes and rivers that they're not
Speaker 2: native to.
Speaker 5: And they're circumpolar, aren't they?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, Scofier. In a Scofier's cookbook, they have
Speaker 2: pike recipes for the European pike, for the pike they
Speaker 2: catch over in France. Anyhow, Uh, they've always been a
Speaker 2: little bit magical and like, well, how in the hell
Speaker 2: they get here? And we're gonna talk about a freakish
Speaker 2: behavioral attribute that these Northern pike are exhibiting in Alaska
Speaker 2: that helps explain some of the mystery about how those
Speaker 2: sons of bitches are jumping from one drainage to the next.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do that. Then we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: three most memorable fishing trips with photo backup. Then I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to say, but before we get to all that,
Speaker 2: what have you guys been up too lately? But not you, Cory,
Speaker 2: you ain't here.
Speaker 5: Maggie, you go first.
Speaker 8: Well, first off, I didn't know it was your birthday, Steve.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 3: It's not. Here's the thing. So our mutual friend Spencer
Speaker 3: Newhart told everyone who's watching the show to say happy
Speaker 3: birthday to you. But I'm pretty sure your birthday is
Speaker 3: in two weeks, two weeks away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be halfway to one hundred and two and
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 3: So but you you've got You've got dozens of people
Speaker 3: wishing you happy birthday, and.
Speaker 8: The check it's nice, yeah, nice, happy early birthday.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I don't know how old you are,
Speaker 2: but dude, at this point, birthdays.
Speaker 5: They just don't mean anything.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 2: My favorite restaurant in Bozeman is with Sabby. You know
Speaker 2: the dudes that come in and they juggled their spatulism
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh my kids love it there.
Speaker 2: Well, I was there the other night for my little
Speaker 2: boy's birthday and I was like, man, I'm going to
Speaker 2: come here on my birthday. I'm call all my friends
Speaker 2: and then by twenty minutes later, I'm like.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not, that's my birthday. I'm like, ooh, I'm
Speaker 8: going to get some oysters. I'm going to get some crabs.
Speaker 8: I'm going to have a party and then I'm like,
Speaker 8: then I have to share all this delicious food. I
Speaker 8: think it's going to be a feast for about four
Speaker 8: there you go.
Speaker 2: So anyways, what's everybody off to?
Speaker 8: I just moved into a new house that my boyfriend
Speaker 8: and I have been building over the last nine months.
Speaker 8: It's awesome.
Speaker 2: This is your shattered kneecap, hockey playing, sheep guiding boyfriend.
Speaker 8: Hold on together about three years, but we've known each
Speaker 8: other pretty much our whole lives.
Speaker 2: We think you want to get married? Are you like
Speaker 2: against marriage?
Speaker 8: I'm not against it. People just keep asking me about it.
Speaker 8: I'm like, hey, we just built a house. Like, we
Speaker 8: don't got money for a big party.
Speaker 2: Right, Guys, got your car? Heead of your horse though, too.
Speaker 5: That's a big move to Like, No, buy and build
Speaker 5: a house together when you're not hitching what's his last name?
Speaker 2: You can switch out?
Speaker 8: Hell? No, I already told.
Speaker 2: Him to switch out. Man, my wife never switched out.
Speaker 2: It kills me. Do you really want to not switch out?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: My daughter never switch out.
Speaker 8: But look on the internet and see how many other
Speaker 8: Maggie Hudlows there are.
Speaker 2: Well, they can people can track you down.
Speaker 8: There's not other Maggie hudlows Maggie Hudler. There's a pile
Speaker 8: of Maggie Olsen's out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, I'll never switch.
Speaker 2: I sit both sides, Like I said, I wish my
Speaker 2: wife would, but I told my daughter never do that. See, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta hang on your name. So it's like I
Speaker 2: just it's very you know, depends.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, one day we'll probably have a big,
Speaker 8: awesome party and get hitched. But now I'll never change
Speaker 8: my name. Something I gotta I gotta hang on too.
Speaker 2: Let's transition to Brody Brody, you're married a long time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Actually that place into what I've been up to lately.
Speaker 5: This is like, like this time of year is kind
Speaker 5: of hard for me. I get mild seasonal effective disorder whatever.
Speaker 2: My dog has that.
Speaker 5: And my wife says, I get real cranky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no dragons a slave right now.
Speaker 5: No, but we're like emerging from that. It's starting. Days
Speaker 5: are getting a little longer, you know, so there'll be
Speaker 5: cool stuff to do soon. So I haven't been up
Speaker 5: to too much other than like like planning. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you do this, but I feel like it's
Speaker 5: important when you got kids like you really got to
Speaker 5: kind of plan your year out, like hunting fish and wise,
Speaker 5: because you know, with those kids, there's always like conflicting
Speaker 5: things going on. Sure, so I've been mapping stuff out
Speaker 5: on the calendar, which is always fun.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I don't have kids to worry about planning about.
Speaker 8: But my sister explained it as happily financially in with
Speaker 8: three dogs. That's my situation.
Speaker 2: But the house you guys fixed up, was it a
Speaker 2: mass or was it?
Speaker 8: No? We built it?
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you meant you read it? No guilt scratch.
Speaker 8: It's uh. It's basically a big, a big ass shop
Speaker 8: with a living quarters attached to it.
Speaker 2: So to your palms a.
Speaker 8: Little bit. I've spent a lot of time. We did
Speaker 8: concrete floors and some concrete countertops, and uh, you know,
Speaker 8: it's like a cheaper option. And man, I spent a
Speaker 8: lot of time sand and concrete and staying in it,
Speaker 8: and a lot of a lot of time on the concrete.
Speaker 8: But it looks really nice. We got a nice big
Speaker 8: walnut butcher block in the center of the kitchen, and
Speaker 8: the garage has five huge doors to pull throughs. Oh really, Yeah,
Speaker 8: it's a it's a giant garage. That's we gotta have
Speaker 8: places to put the boats and and all the fun stuff.
Speaker 8: And now we're just trying to organize ours and garbage.
Speaker 2: So he got well, congratulations.
Speaker 8: Thanks.
Speaker 2: You know the James Gang when they used to rob
Speaker 2: this is legend. I don't know if it's true. When
Speaker 2: they used to rob trains, they check your hands. If
Speaker 2: you had callouses, they let you slide because they were dandies.
Speaker 2: If you didn't have callous as you were getting robbed.
Speaker 8: I get the most callouses in the summer from rowing
Speaker 8: the drift boat.
Speaker 2: Now, if I saw those boys coming, I'd be scratching.
Speaker 2: How's that? Phil?
Speaker 3: That was some lovely banter. Guys, you knocked it out
Speaker 3: of the park.
Speaker 2: Okay, are we ready to switch over?
Speaker 3: Let's do it?
Speaker 2: Okay, do we got Rick and Marty or Rick and
Speaker 2: Marty here.
Speaker 9: We're here.
Speaker 2: First off, man, tell me a little bit. Give me
Speaker 2: a quick snapshot of growing up in the up did
Speaker 2: you guys? Had you guys family been up there a
Speaker 2: long time? Were they newcomers or how that come about?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: First, wait, wait, I got to wish you a happy birthday. Oh,
Speaker 4: thank you, and everybody else who's confused.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you go ahead, Rick, Well, it was you know,
Speaker 10: kind of like you know what you do in your life.
Speaker 10: You're outside a lot, you know, you've got your friends,
Speaker 10: you engage in whatever activity you want to do. It
Speaker 10: was sports and in the woods and fishing and a
Speaker 10: little bit of hunting and going on with our uncles
Speaker 10: and yeah, it was just a magical time, much simpler
Speaker 10: than today. And like I said, you spent most of
Speaker 10: your time outside playing ball and just having a good
Speaker 10: old time.
Speaker 6: There's a up.
Speaker 2: What's what's the first example you guys can think of
Speaker 2: when you go back to when you were little boys.
Speaker 2: What's the first example of you guys setting out to
Speaker 2: go try to find a lost something or another, or
Speaker 2: like to like make a discovery.
Speaker 4: That's an easy one.
Speaker 11: We were looking for a treasure under what we called
Speaker 11: the maybe not politically acceptable anymore, but under the Indian Rock,
Speaker 11: which was this rock out in the woods that had
Speaker 11: a band around it, and all the young boys in
Speaker 11: the neighborhood spent Rick, I don't know, two or three
Speaker 11: summers trying to move this rock because we were sure
Speaker 11: there was treasure underneath.
Speaker 4: We still want to go back and move that thing.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have a do you have a checklist
Speaker 2: of Like when your work, if you work at Oak
Speaker 2: Island concludes, do you have a do you have a
Speaker 2: what's next?
Speaker 10: We always have a plan moving forward, but you know,
Speaker 10: it's pretty fluid up there. You know, you find something,
Speaker 10: you move off. There's it's it's multifaceted search. So you
Speaker 10: have the money pit work, the excavations with Billy, You've
Speaker 10: got archaeological work going on. You've got Gary Drayton metal detecting,
Speaker 10: so you know when when something's following, you kind of
Speaker 10: skew that direction and follow that lead. And then of
Speaker 10: course you got the lab in the application of science,
Speaker 10: so it's you. It's not a it's a pretty active
Speaker 10: work site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that that's great and I appreciate. But what
Speaker 2: I what I meant was, if you picture yourself, if
Speaker 2: you imagine ten years down the road, twenty years down
Speaker 2: the road, whatever do you have like the next place
Speaker 2: or the next quest that you guys get involved in?
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, do you have a list of like, Okay,
Speaker 2: when when we're done, when our work here is done,
Speaker 2: we need to move on to whatever.
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, in twenty years I'd like to
Speaker 11: make sure I'm still alive number one as far as
Speaker 11: the goals go. But I don't think we've really addressed
Speaker 11: that very well, Harry Rick. The Oak Island has been
Speaker 11: all consuming, and it keeps throwing stuff at us. Right
Speaker 11: about the time we're you know, ready to maybe say boy,
Speaker 11: this is this is it, it'll throw something a curveball
Speaker 11: in terms of an artifact or something. So I don't
Speaker 11: think we've planned very well past that. We're we're interested
Speaker 11: in other things and we've got involved in other quests
Speaker 11: that other people are taking the lead on. But beyond that,
Speaker 11: Oak Island's pretty all consuming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what are some of the latest Tell people
Speaker 2: about some of the latest things you guys have found
Speaker 2: out there that keeps you, that keeps you wanting to
Speaker 2: keep going, big brother.
Speaker 10: Well, for me, it's you know, it's kind of a
Speaker 10: close association, Steve to what you're doing with your new show,
Speaker 10: you know, following history. I think the research component and
Speaker 10: the historical associations we've made to date through the finds
Speaker 10: of the artifacts and the digging and the money pit
Speaker 10: and the application of science, but it's really the research
Speaker 10: that is coming to fore. There's a treasure hunting component,
Speaker 10: and there's the historical research component which you're all about.
Speaker 10: And like just the other day, I got coming to
Speaker 10: believe that there's we're on a real national treasure you
Speaker 10: know the National Treasure movie. We're on a real national
Speaker 10: treasure hunt. There are significant historical figures that we believe
Speaker 10: have played some sort of role in association with the
Speaker 10: Oak Island mystery. So so to me, it's a big
Speaker 10: component is the history. But certainly there's a fascinating treasure
Speaker 10: hunt too.
Speaker 2: Now I gotta ask as well, what, uh, I know,
Speaker 2: you guys, So you guys got some land there, what's
Speaker 2: the what's the what's your vibe on the hunt and
Speaker 2: fishing potential out there on Oak Island? Should I be
Speaker 2: out there hitting it? Or what?
Speaker 4: Off shore? I think you could be hitting it?
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's all kinds of fishing off shore on the
Speaker 11: island not so much so.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's not like a resident I don't whatever.
Speaker 2: There's not like a resident deer population or a lot
Speaker 2: of Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, there's a resident deer population.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I was thinking fishing. There aren't any streams or anything
Speaker 11: unless you're a big eel fisherman, because there's lots of
Speaker 11: those in the swamp.
Speaker 2: No. I like the eels for sure. So you got
Speaker 2: to see some game when you're out there, when you're
Speaker 2: all done, like you're saying that I I should be
Speaker 2: out there, I can go out there and hunt.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 10: So I can tell you what you can do is
Speaker 10: you know, come come on up, you know, be a
Speaker 10: part of the treasure hunt and do a podcast from
Speaker 10: up there. But I can I can easily affirm.
Speaker 6: To you that.
Speaker 10: And you've probably been there in New Brunswick and in Newfoundland. Yep,
Speaker 10: you'd have a fantastic time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I've hunted up I've hunted up there before
Speaker 2: one time. The last time I hunted up in New Brunswick,
Speaker 2: I left. I kind of did a questionable move. My
Speaker 2: wife was like pretty pregnant, and I drove up there
Speaker 2: and we were hunting and I got a call basically
Speaker 2: saying turn around and come back or or don't come back,
Speaker 2: and so I had to cut my I had to
Speaker 2: cut my trip short. But now that all that's behind me,
Speaker 2: i'd like to come out there and check it out. No,
Speaker 2: I would definitely like to come up and see the island.
Speaker 2: And meet you guys for real and uh and talk
Speaker 2: about the home state. So I appreciate you guys coming on. Man,
Speaker 2: everybody is checking out. Watch new episodes of the Curse
Speaker 2: of Oak Island on History Channel Tuesday nights at nine
Speaker 2: eastern eighth Central and then and then if you if
Speaker 2: you got it in you stay on because we're premiering
Speaker 2: a new show there as well that follows the Curse
Speaker 2: of Oak Island called Hunting History. So come for the
Speaker 2: Curse of Oak Island and stay for Hunting History on
Speaker 2: History Channel.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Boys, thanks for taking the time to come on the show. Man,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's great. All right.
Speaker 10: I just want to tell you that our nephews, Peter
Speaker 10: David and Daniel Fernetti are big fans.
Speaker 2: Oh in your show. Tell him, I said, thanks, And
Speaker 2: you shoot over an address and we'll send them up
Speaker 2: some books and stuff if you if you got if
Speaker 2: you can pass along for somebody, I'd love to. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: thanks so much.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 2: Good luck with your good luck with your hunt, good
Speaker 2: luck with your show, good luck with yours. All right,
Speaker 2: take it easy, see take care, bye bye, all right.
Speaker 2: Mexico Cops hunt check in with Randall and Seth. That's
Speaker 2: what we got. Randall and South. Where the hell they
Speaker 2: coming from?
Speaker 3: Why don't we ask them?
Speaker 2: Are you guys live? We're just like a trick Mexico.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, so you are there?
Speaker 9: Aloha me and migos mayamo rojo grande. All right?
Speaker 2: Was the kate was? Were they rotting hard? I don't
Speaker 2: even know where to begin. Were you seeing like hard
Speaker 2: rotting grab ass action? Uh? Yes, and no I recognized
Speaker 2: that fireplace. How do you guys got such a good
Speaker 2: connection by that fireplace?
Speaker 1: Oh there's a starlingla now.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, it's just as warm in there as normal.
Speaker 9: We had snow on the ground this morning, so.
Speaker 1: It snowed last night and was like twenty two degrees
Speaker 1: or so.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Seth and I were on a pretty uh pretty
Speaker 9: frigid ridge all morning and uh stop down to the
Speaker 9: house to hop on. So we're enjoying this fire and
Speaker 9: some fresh cafe.
Speaker 2: Got it? Uh so? So hard ass grab ass rought
Speaker 2: action or no.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of chasing. Yannis saw a buck he
Speaker 9: thinks unsuccessfully breed a dough. But yeah, the bucks that
Speaker 9: we've seen have all been pretty active. It's been sporadic though.
Speaker 9: We're seeing like a ton of action on one hillside
Speaker 9: and then we go back the next day and zero deear,
Speaker 9: So it's kind of been hide and seek a little bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we've been seeing Dose pretty frequently that don't
Speaker 7: have any bucks with him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, got god? And how many bucks you guys gotten
Speaker 2: down there?
Speaker 7: We got four so far, Yanni's Today is our last
Speaker 7: day and Yanni is the only one that still needs
Speaker 7: to get one, so he's out there right now.
Speaker 1: He's looking for mucho grande though.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yanni's Yannis prepared to eat the tag if he
Speaker 9: doesn't see the right dear. So, he and the rest
Speaker 9: of the crew are all hunting hard right now. Got
Speaker 9: to sit by the fire.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you guys. I miss you, guys.
Speaker 2: I've been dominating the question here, so I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: Brody and Maggie asks you a bunch of questions.
Speaker 5: Did you get some good ones?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So, Uh, Peter hal from Zig is down here, which
Speaker 7: is cool because we're getting to play with a bunch
Speaker 7: of new SIG products.
Speaker 9: I can test that out.
Speaker 1: But he he shot a giant.
Speaker 7: Nice It's definitely the biggest one I've seen come off
Speaker 7: of this ranch.
Speaker 1: Raynad's about to show you right here.
Speaker 2: And you folks watching from home, you need to understand
Speaker 2: that you're looking at like what's It's like a desert
Speaker 2: white tail, like a mini white tail.
Speaker 9: And he's got a he's got a split G two
Speaker 9: on the one side, so he looks like a mulely
Speaker 9: on that side.
Speaker 2: Yep. But that that runs that way because we've gotten
Speaker 2: a couple of them there like that with that same split.
Speaker 2: Jim had the finger probably roll over dead if I
Speaker 2: just said that that runs that way down there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's a pretty impressive buck and he's he's got
Speaker 9: a little bit of palmation and he's kind of some
Speaker 9: of the times are bladed. So that was Cal shot
Speaker 9: a real nice one. Uh he saw it the first
Speaker 9: night and killed it two days later.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's Cal's buck blade it out.
Speaker 2: That is ye go back to that big one. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna come back to Cal's. We go back to that
Speaker 2: big one for met. Was that like, uh, did you
Speaker 2: guys find him and then rEFInd him and then rEFInd him?
Speaker 2: Was it like a holy shit? There he is kind
Speaker 2: of moment.
Speaker 9: Well, we Seth and Giannis and I were on the
Speaker 9: same ridge, but maybe a mile down and uh, we
Speaker 9: would just listen to the whole thing on the radio.
Speaker 9: But I think they glassed him up. He had a
Speaker 9: dough that he was trying to lock down and uh
Speaker 9: seemed to be right out in the open, so they
Speaker 9: Pete and Cal made a big stock on him and
Speaker 9: wrapped around the face and ended up getting a shot.
Speaker 9: But that that's kind of the only big buck that's
Speaker 9: really made himself visible for a significant period of time.
Speaker 9: I think Col's buck is just sort of like you know, appeared.
Speaker 9: He was betted the first night when you guys saw him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we saw uh, we spotted calsbuck on the first evening.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like our first hunt day.
Speaker 7: We just happened to get down here and have enough
Speaker 7: time to run up on the hill and do some
Speaker 7: glasses and we and Cal almost killed him on the
Speaker 7: first evening, but he caught up with him two days later.
Speaker 9: And Yeah, a lot of the bucks, most of the
Speaker 9: bucks that were se like I saw ten or twelve
Speaker 9: bucks yesterday, Wow, all of them. All of them were chasing,
Speaker 9: but just no big bucks. And the big bucks that
Speaker 9: we've seen a lot of them are really broken, and
Speaker 9: that seems to be We've heard like this year, for
Speaker 9: whatever reason, a lot of the big bucks are broken.
Speaker 9: M It doesn't bother me, but some people either. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Uh So then Seth and I both got deer on
Speaker 9: back to back days, I think Tuesday and Wednesday maybe
Speaker 9: yep or something like that, and that was fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 9: well ours are not nearly as impressive, but we're both
Speaker 9: very happy. They're like, you know, maighties low nineties deer,
Speaker 9: and yeah, I might shot at like to two hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty yards. He was chasing a dough with another
Speaker 9: smaller buck and they were just kind of pinballing around,
Speaker 9: and he popped up and got a shot at him,
Speaker 9: and then Seth had a real uh search for his buck.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I spotted my buck and made a move on him,
Speaker 7: lost him like you typically do down here, and popped
Speaker 7: up on this little bumps to try to get a
Speaker 7: good advantage of this hillside where he was, and he
Speaker 7: ended up betting with a dough about one hundred and
Speaker 7: twenty yards from where I was, and I actually had
Speaker 7: to in order to shoot him, I had to leave
Speaker 7: my bump that I was on and make a big
Speaker 7: loop around and shoot him at like three hundred yards
Speaker 7: where I could actually see him.
Speaker 2: Oh God, it house jealous right now? Can you tell jealous?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 9: The uh, I mean, the big story this week, I
Speaker 9: think has been the wind. Everybody's been telling me that
Speaker 9: it's usually rather calm here, but we've been getting gusts
Speaker 9: up to like thirty and pretty steady fifteen ten to
Speaker 9: fifteen mile an hour winds all week. So there have
Speaker 9: been some long cold days and the big stablized binoculars
Speaker 9: have really, uh oh yah been a lifesaver because and
Speaker 9: I hadn't I'd messed around with them like out of
Speaker 9: the truck or out of the house, but I really
Speaker 9: hadn't had them out in these kind of conditions. And
Speaker 9: you throw those things on the tripod, and even if
Speaker 9: it's blowing your tripod around, your image is like crystal clear.
Speaker 9: So I've I've oftentimes like just had to take my
Speaker 9: regular binos down and throw up the stabilized ones just
Speaker 9: for the wind factor.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah. Then the next thing you got to figure
Speaker 2: out is how to make your eyeballs not water.
Speaker 9: Oh, the corners of my eyes are chafed badly. A
Speaker 9: lot of tears a lot of sunscreen, a lot of wind.
Speaker 9: It's not a good recipe for my optical health.
Speaker 8: Well, the stabilized bos are cool. What other fun sig
Speaker 8: stuff have you guys been messing around with down there?
Speaker 9: Well, there's one, there's one item that we're told not
Speaker 9: not to What happens down in Mexico stays in Mexico.
Speaker 9: Great Toby Keith, but pretty neat stuff. We we also
Speaker 9: have used the the range finding binos. Yep, are those
Speaker 9: the kilow tens maybe something? And uh, but yeah, those
Speaker 9: those are pretty amazing for because they have the uh
Speaker 9: they have the wind calculation dialed in. So yeah, when
Speaker 9: we're sitting out there glass and stuff and range and stuff,
Speaker 9: you can plug in like a ten mile an hour
Speaker 9: value and it'll give you your correction in minutes of angles,
Speaker 9: so or mills. But we're shooting both the guns we
Speaker 9: have are shooting minutes of angles. So that's been pretty
Speaker 9: fun to see and like check that against the dope
Speaker 9: on your phone.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's been a lot of chatter about wind calls.
Speaker 9: Yes, a lot of chatter about wind calls. I was
Speaker 9: very grateful to shoot my dear at two hundred and
Speaker 9: twenty five yards or whatever it was, because I don't
Speaker 9: think I would have really wanted to stretch it out
Speaker 9: very far in those conditions.
Speaker 2: I got I got two more questions. When I go
Speaker 2: down there, you always find that the Bocarrols, the ba Carrols,
Speaker 2: Buck Harrols, buck Harrows. No matter what deer you bring back,
Speaker 2: they tell you that no, no, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 2: not him. Yeah, been happening.
Speaker 9: Well, I haven't talked with them much. Cal has been
Speaker 9: our primary liaison to the Lacas. His Spanish is actually remarkable. No,
Speaker 9: he does good, although he doesn't do like the performative
Speaker 9: accent that a lot of people do when they speak
Speaker 9: a foreign language. It just sounds like Cal. He speaks
Speaker 9: in the same cadence with just different words. But we
Speaker 9: did have a couple of reports of bucks that the
Speaker 9: cowboys had seen, and you know, had the hills that
Speaker 9: they'd seen him on, And there is even a set
Speaker 9: of sheds from this year near the house that we're
Speaker 9: looking for that buck. But we have not been able
Speaker 9: to turn up any of the the famous cowboy bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my other question.
Speaker 9: No, No, I was gonna say the cat. I think
Speaker 9: the Viccaro's cat is having a real field day. Whenever
Speaker 9: we bring back a deear, it's like fighting us for
Speaker 9: little strips of hide and meet. And that's kind of
Speaker 9: also been our primary mode of entertainment is the cat's
Speaker 9: increasingly aggressive behavior around any sort of meat.
Speaker 2: Randall, I need to share with you two comments that
Speaker 2: have come in. I'm gonna build you up and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna bring you down. Sure, there's a guy that says
Speaker 2: you look like Jim Harrison, followed up by a guy
Speaker 2: that says you look homeless.
Speaker 6: So I.
Speaker 5: Did Jim Harrison ever spend time as a homeless person.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna look like Harrison, you need to take
Speaker 2: a beer bottle and gouage one of your eyes so
Speaker 2: it doesn't work right, which is what happened to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: She said it looked like a Civil warrying actor in
Speaker 9: the photo and said that I took that to me
Speaker 9: and I need to cut my hair.
Speaker 2: I got another question for you. You know how I couldn't
Speaker 2: go to my boy had to have knee surgery. Well,
Speaker 2: thanks for asking how he's doing.
Speaker 9: Oh I I was communicating uh with Jannison. We were
Speaker 9: getting updates, We were we were all sitting around the
Speaker 9: table the other day and we Yanni, you were texting
Speaker 9: me Steve, and then Yanni was like, we were asking
Speaker 9: for updates through our Uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're we're all asking how how Maddy was doing.
Speaker 2: Funny because none of those they were all unfulfilled.
Speaker 9: I did. I did text Katie. I did text Katie
Speaker 9: to see how the surgery went.
Speaker 2: Well, you went straight to my you went straight to
Speaker 2: my you went straight to my woman.
Speaker 9: You're a busy man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's cool, that's cool. Anybody else, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've heard enough.
Speaker 2: How long do you guys want to talk for We're
Speaker 2: getting bored.
Speaker 9: Oh we did. We did want to mention that yesterday
Speaker 9: Jannis ate eleven or twelve burritos.
Speaker 6: Record so we.
Speaker 9: Got blowney sandwich is the day before and he ate
Speaker 9: his at eleven and then spent the rest of the
Speaker 9: day talking about how he could have had more than
Speaker 9: one blooney sandwich. So the next day he took six
Speaker 9: burritos for lunch and he gave me one, but he
Speaker 9: had two at breakfast and I think three at dinner.
Speaker 9: So that would yeah, that would probably make maybe it. Yeah,
Speaker 9: that's like ten or eleven, so Anyway, the tortillas have
Speaker 9: been thin, so Janni's consumed twenty some tortillas yesterday.
Speaker 2: Were doubling rand. We got another guy saying, you just
Speaker 2: look like you're from Ohio.
Speaker 9: No, that's true that I'll take that as a high compliment.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Chase. That's lovely.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what about being from Ohio. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you ever read the right stuff, but there's
Speaker 2: something steely about Ohio. Dudes. It's like what you want
Speaker 2: when you're trying to man a spaceship. Yep, they want
Speaker 2: to lean. They want it leaning into Ohio.
Speaker 9: There's something there's there's a rich soil.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, good luck tell Jannie, I said, good luck.
Speaker 2: I wish I could be there. In all seriousness. Miss
Speaker 2: you guys terrible uh yeah, you know all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 9: We'll see you very soon.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Boddy, see you guys. Yaas was that
Speaker 2: long enough?
Speaker 3: How are you doing on Steve? You are you're doing
Speaker 3: incredible schedule?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh so now we take time for listener feedback.
Speaker 3: That's right, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm mostly no, no, not to hack on the boys there,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm mostly excited about the northern pike deal.
Speaker 3: Oh he's coming up.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to know. I'm saying I want
Speaker 2: to jump to it. Let's do some well, how you've
Speaker 2: been hanging on this part?
Speaker 3: The listener feedback, well, the The idea is throughout the show,
Speaker 3: people can ask questions in the live chat. I bookmark
Speaker 3: the ones I think are are good or could open
Speaker 3: up some interesting conversation. So if we haven't gotten a
Speaker 3: lot of questions, guys, this might be Steve's last time here,
Speaker 3: and who knows, like you, you should feel lucky. So
Speaker 3: if you have questions for Steve, get him in here
Speaker 3: right now, because I don't know what he's gonna be
Speaker 3: coming down here all the time.
Speaker 5: Might be your last time. It's like you're dying or.
Speaker 3: You're you're just you're you're a busy gal.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start coming here all the time.
Speaker 3: We would love that. Yeah, people, people want to see it.
Speaker 3: Let's see, we got to start with a lighter one.
Speaker 3: Mogre is asking a question for Steve. Hi, when you're
Speaker 3: not participating in trivia or radio live, how closely do
Speaker 3: you follow the events during your travels? Do you keep
Speaker 3: up with the shows by watching or listening to them.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling I know the answer to this question,
Speaker 3: but I just thought, you know, people, the people would
Speaker 3: like to know.
Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of stuff. I watch bits
Speaker 2: of a lot of stuff, but I mostly talked every buddy.
Speaker 3: That's what I like to do, is talk to every buddy.
Speaker 3: Probably a better use of your time.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: Question for Steve from John did the stolen cooler of
Speaker 3: frozen fish ever get resolved?
Speaker 2: No, it's still it's just gone, dude. Okay, someone's licking
Speaker 2: their lips on that fish or they were, but no.
Speaker 5: Not going on a couple of years now, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's hilarious? Remember we were talking about
Speaker 2: so I shouldn't I shouldn't say this about my kid,
Speaker 2: but my older kid, my older boy, when we were
Speaker 2: talking about remember we talking about getting that lie detector
Speaker 2: test down here. So he kind of got in a
Speaker 2: bunch He got in a bunch of trouble. Okay, he
Speaker 2: was telling I shouldn't air in his laundry like this,
Speaker 2: but he was telling his mom and dad a phib Okay,
Speaker 2: so his mom phibbs to get the truth. She says,
Speaker 2: I'm taking you down to the office because your dad
Speaker 2: got that lie detector, So you tell me right now
Speaker 2: what happened. And he's just like he just lets it
Speaker 2: all out. And just the other night we like finally
Speaker 2: it came up. We finally said no, there is no
Speaker 2: lie Detector's.
Speaker 5: That's good.
Speaker 2: There was like lies to get him to tell the truth,
Speaker 2: which is smart.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: Get on you, Katie.
Speaker 3: Let's see here.
Speaker 2: You said you're giving soft babbles. What's an example of hardball?
Speaker 3: This isn't a hard ball, but this one actually could
Speaker 3: could open up to some discussion from Kyle. What do
Speaker 3: y'all do about cleaning brain matter from a skull in
Speaker 3: the field to transport to or from CWD areas across
Speaker 3: a home county?
Speaker 2: Stir it up with a screwdriver, Stir it up super
Speaker 2: good with a screwdriver, and put a high pressure hose
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 5: Give it a few good shakes.
Speaker 2: We know, Yeah, you give it a couple of shakes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there you go. It's it's like, you know, if you
Speaker 2: stick with it, you can get that brain pan pretty clean.
Speaker 2: Right on, this could what's a real hard question.
Speaker 3: We haven't gotten really a really hard one yet, but
Speaker 3: if you guys want to speak to this because I
Speaker 3: don't think you ever really have, and I think you
Speaker 3: guys could could talk thoughtfully about it. Question for Stephen Brody,
Speaker 3: y'all post a lot of pictures of hunting fishing with
Speaker 3: your kids, which is great. Have you ever thought about
Speaker 3: making videos featuring your kids? My kids love watching other
Speaker 3: kids hunting videos.
Speaker 2: Man, I think about it all the time. I'd love
Speaker 2: to do it, but me and my wife made a decision,
Speaker 2: like if you noticed vir sea pictures of my kids,
Speaker 2: we just had to find. We had to find, like
Speaker 2: we had to make a rule for ourselves so that
Speaker 2: it wasn't a question all the time about how much
Speaker 2: exposure to give to our kids. And we eventually made
Speaker 2: a rule. It seems arbitrary, but it works for us,
Speaker 2: Like we don't show our kids' faces on stuff. It
Speaker 2: seems goofy, but like wound up making it simple, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. In the other day, I even
Speaker 2: asked my I would had a picture of my kids
Speaker 2: when they were babies. And I said to my wife, like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you mind if I post this thing when the
Speaker 2: kids are babies that I mean, you know, they don't
Speaker 2: look like that anymore? And she said, well, no, because
Speaker 2: we have an agreement.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've done a good job of sticking to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. But it hurts because I'd love to
Speaker 2: be able to make videos with them, but I don't
Speaker 2: want to, like I do. I don't want to drag
Speaker 2: them into something, you know, Like it's just hard for me,
Speaker 2: Like I need them to get old enough to make
Speaker 2: the decision.
Speaker 5: There's also that like there's one thing, like making a
Speaker 5: TV show or whatever is one thing, but then like
Speaker 5: just making like videos, yeah, for yourself, Like we do
Speaker 5: that all the time, but like making a show is
Speaker 5: hard and it gets in the way, like it would
Speaker 5: not that you couldn't do it.
Speaker 8: But there's a great episode of Tony hunting Bear with
Speaker 8: his daughter Austin if you want to check that out.
Speaker 2: Yep, Hey, listen, I don't have any like I have.
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. And a big thing that informed
Speaker 2: us on it is years ago we had to have
Speaker 2: like the FBI got involved, Like years ago, we had
Speaker 2: something happen that alarmed us and they had to go
Speaker 2: after a dude and like really went after a guy
Speaker 2: hard about saying a comment, you know, about our kids.
Speaker 2: And then from then on that changed our whole attitude. Man,
Speaker 2: it was like someone like an animal rights dude, and
Speaker 2: so it just it just spooked us, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, I mean I'd love to see us
Speaker 5: make a show with some kids hunting, and it'd be
Speaker 5: great if we do that at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just didn't like the thought of some like
Speaker 2: some animal rights freak or whoever targeting my kids because
Speaker 2: it's something that they know about me. Is just like
Speaker 2: upset and at times I'm just like a little I
Speaker 2: feel a little like maybe overexposed in that way.
Speaker 8: That's totally reasonable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do one more here and save some words
Speaker 3: for the end of the show. Sam's asking is there
Speaker 3: any animal you were excited to hunt and eat but
Speaker 3: were let down when you finally tried it, or any
Speaker 3: animal that you thought that wasn't really worth it after
Speaker 3: you tried it.
Speaker 2: You made it name.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, remember you guys shot those You guys
Speaker 5: shot a bunch of those big old caribou several years ago.
Speaker 5: Kenyan and Dura were there. Yeah. Yeah, I was a
Speaker 5: little disappointed in the shanks with the because you think
Speaker 5: about how many miles or in those shanks, Holy shit,
Speaker 5: they take a long time to break down. Oh, multi
Speaker 5: day breaks, and just the meat in general. It's not
Speaker 5: that it's bad, it's just you stack it up against
Speaker 5: like elk or it's just not No.
Speaker 2: I'd rather I'd wait, rather eat Muldier than cava. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. One of the ones that was most
Speaker 2: disappointing to me is while back we flayed I really
Speaker 2: wish we had we played a bunch of shovel nose sturgeon.
Speaker 5: I remember you talking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because one the yield is so low, so you
Speaker 2: kind of get this cool looking fish, you clean him,
Speaker 2: and you don't have ship, and then what you do
Speaker 2: have doesn't taste that good. I've never laid a finger
Speaker 2: on now. It just pop them off, you know. Just
Speaker 2: a real disappointment because the the the low yield was
Speaker 2: already enough to turn me off, but then the taste was.
Speaker 5: Another one for me was Jack Rabbits, There no no
Speaker 5: go ahead and each his own.
Speaker 2: You have dumb opinions, free country cool.
Speaker 3: If you want to get to the pike, we've got
Speaker 3: Parker waiting in the in the green room.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Brod, you want to handle this interview?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brody's an invasive pike expert. He used to live
Speaker 2: at an invasive pipe pod.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I love those things.
Speaker 6: Are we there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Parker.
Speaker 5: Hey Parker, how's it going?
Speaker 6: Hey, good Harry, y'all doing great?
Speaker 5: Is it cold up there?
Speaker 12: You know, it's the coldest day we've had this winter
Speaker 12: so far, about minus fifteen.
Speaker 5: Where are you at right now?
Speaker 6: I'm in Palmer, so about our north of Anchorage.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, yep. Cool. So we'll get to the pike
Speaker 5: in a second. But you want to give us a
Speaker 5: rundown of what you do for a fishing game, like
Speaker 5: what you're Yeah, sure.
Speaker 12: So I'm a fisheries biologist with the Alaska Department of
Speaker 12: Fishing Game and my job is primarily focused on invasive
Speaker 12: species in this region. That's primarily invasive Northern Pike, but
Speaker 12: that could be. You know, we've dealt with the host
Speaker 12: of other several species that have turned up here that
Speaker 12: shouldn't be here and we handle that.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 2: So, hey, Brody, while you're interviewing him, can you ask
Speaker 2: if he knows my brother Danny.
Speaker 5: So there's this guy Danny Bolton and Anchorage Danny Bolton.
Speaker 5: There's this guy Danny Runella. You know him down at
Speaker 5: Anchorage did you know these guys know each other?
Speaker 2: Maybe I knew they knew each other, but I'm not
Speaker 2: positive they knew each other. Yeah, he's my brother's a
Speaker 2: fisheries biologist. I thought maybe you guys ran neto each other.
Speaker 2: Continue the interview.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a small world in the fisheries biology realm
Speaker 12: up here.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So this study came out, some people may
Speaker 5: have seen it in the news. That's where I found it,
Speaker 5: and we had talked about it like in the past
Speaker 5: recently here at media. But can you kind of give
Speaker 5: like the basic rundown of what this study found and
Speaker 5: how they they were able to come to the conclusion
Speaker 5: that they came to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you bet so.
Speaker 12: Quick background for your listeners. Pike are actually native to
Speaker 12: a majority of Alaska, more than northern and western regions.
Speaker 12: But they were introduced here to the south central region
Speaker 12: waters that flow into cook Inlet Gulf of Alaska. They
Speaker 12: were introduced by a person in the nineteen fifties and
Speaker 12: they've spread to you know, over one hundred water bodies
Speaker 12: in this region since then. But you know, so we're
Speaker 12: trying to keep tabs on where these pike are spreading
Speaker 12: in the region and we've been doing eradication projects on
Speaker 12: the Kena Peninsula.
Speaker 5: What does that entail, Like, how are you trying to
Speaker 5: get rid of them? Because like, yeah, I used to
Speaker 5: live in an area in Colorado where they were doing that.
Speaker 5: They're trying to get rid of them on the Yampa River,
Speaker 5: and they'd knock them back, then they'd come back. They'd
Speaker 5: knock them back, then they'd come back. It's like just
Speaker 5: an ongoing They can never seem to like eradicate.
Speaker 12: Them, right, So it's it's kind of tough to get
Speaker 12: over that hump. But a lot of what we do
Speaker 12: is aggressive netting, and that's called suppression projects, where we
Speaker 12: just try to kill as many as we can. But
Speaker 12: if we actually want to eradicate them, then we often
Speaker 12: go and use a chemical called rotino. It's a fish
Speaker 12: management tool that you know is used across the US,
Speaker 12: and that's what we've done heavily on the Kina to
Speaker 12: eradicate him from there. But netting is often very common,
Speaker 12: and like you're saying, it's tough to get ahead.
Speaker 5: Of them, yep. So so back back to the study.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a question just pop up. How are
Speaker 2: the pikes spreading?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: Someone asked that he's in luck.
Speaker 5: We're about to find out.
Speaker 12: So they're spreading, well really two mechanisms. Now that they're
Speaker 12: in this region, people still move them around. We have
Speaker 12: documentation of that. And then you know, once they're in
Speaker 12: an open system, they're free to swim where they want, right.
Speaker 12: And so one thing that we thought was some of
Speaker 12: these rivers flowing into cook Inlet, which is brackish water.
Speaker 6: We thought that was most likely.
Speaker 5: That's a nice one.
Speaker 12: But we had some pike that showed up in a
Speaker 12: remote place on the Kena Peninsula that it we don't
Speaker 12: know how they got there. Didn't make sense for someone
Speaker 12: to go through an extensive effort to get them to
Speaker 12: this remote place, but it has a very short connection
Speaker 12: to cook Inlet. And so one thing that we did
Speaker 12: we wanted to explore if we're going to invest money
Speaker 12: into getting rid of these pike from this drainage, we
Speaker 12: want to know how they got there and prevent that
Speaker 12: from happening again. So we did some sampling in this lake,
Speaker 12: Vogel Lake, and we caught one really large female along
Speaker 12: with a handful of other smaller pike. And one thing
Speaker 12: that's a really neat technology in the world of fisheries
Speaker 12: is the odalith of the fish.
Speaker 6: So that's the.
Speaker 12: Inner earbone calcified structure. Biologists used that often for aging fish.
Speaker 12: There's a good picture of it there, but what it
Speaker 12: also can be used for. It's basically a chemical fingerprint
Speaker 12: of the water that that fish has lived in throughout
Speaker 12: its life. So you can cut that otlith in half
Speaker 12: and it grows, you know, on the outside, cal calcium
Speaker 12: building up on the outside as it grows. If you
Speaker 12: cut that in half, you expose the core when that
Speaker 12: fish was born, and then the edge represents when you
Speaker 12: kill that fish. So we can send this otolith to
Speaker 12: a lab. We have one in Fairbanks that does this.
Speaker 12: They look at the chemical composition of that otolith from
Speaker 12: birth to death. And what's interesting is water bodies often
Speaker 12: have unique chemical signatures, specifically with stronium isotopes, and that's
Speaker 12: what we're looking at. So the marine environment has a
Speaker 12: pretty particular strownium isotope signature. And so we took the
Speaker 12: otolith from that really large pike and measure the stronium
Speaker 12: from birth to death of that fish. And what we
Speaker 12: found is that the center of that otolith where that
Speaker 12: fish was born did not match the water that we
Speaker 12: caught it in. Then about two years of age, it
Speaker 12: had a signature signature consistent with being in a marine environment,
Speaker 12: and then the signature matched.
Speaker 6: The water that we caught that fish in. So basically
Speaker 6: what that told us is that.
Speaker 12: Fish came from somewhere else, swam through the brackish water
Speaker 12: and then ended up in this Vogel lake here where
Speaker 12: we caught it. And once we kind of had proof
Speaker 12: of that occurring, we got suspicious of this happening in
Speaker 12: other places.
Speaker 6: For example, and Anchorage.
Speaker 12: We have a couple of lakes where we thought this
Speaker 12: might have occurred, and indeed we did catch a couple
Speaker 12: of pike that had these signatures as well. And so
Speaker 12: that's what this study was kind of based on these
Speaker 12: three different populations that we think got established by pike
Speaker 12: swimming through the marine environment mostly just brackish water, not
Speaker 12: full salt water.
Speaker 2: So they're able to make those trips, That's what you
Speaker 2: just kind of answer my question as you finished your
Speaker 2: last response. But they're able to make those trips just
Speaker 2: staying in brackish water, Like like, how long do you
Speaker 2: think one could last and open salt or do you
Speaker 2: think that would kill.
Speaker 6: It, so I think that would kill it.
Speaker 12: We a couple of years ago we did a salinity
Speaker 12: trial where we actually put pike in known salinity tots
Speaker 12: and measured to see how long they would live. And
Speaker 12: so we tested various gradients and our highest concentration we
Speaker 12: tested was about twenty eight parts per thousand. For reference,
Speaker 12: about thirty five is considered fully marine, and at twenty
Speaker 12: eight they lived maybe like seven or eight hours on
Speaker 12: the average. They can't tolerate fully marine waters and for
Speaker 12: very long, but that lower brackish concentration around seven or ten.
Speaker 12: There's actually a pike population in the Baltic Sea that
Speaker 12: they just lived there, and that's at about seven parts
Speaker 12: per thousand. So the fact that they can kind of
Speaker 12: traverse through some of this low brackish water is not
Speaker 12: that surprising. But you know, cook Inlet it's a pretty
Speaker 12: hostile environment. We have some of the largest tides in
Speaker 12: the world, like thirty foot tide swings very glacially turbid.
Speaker 12: We got big glacial rivers that are pumping into it,
Speaker 12: so visibility is poor, really strong current, so it's you know,
Speaker 12: not what you would think of when you think of
Speaker 12: where pike would typically live, so it's you know, they
Speaker 12: can live just probably for a little bit in this environment.
Speaker 5: Are are they traveling or are you able to determine
Speaker 5: like how far they're traveling, Like does this only happen
Speaker 5: where like two river estuaries are pretty close together, or
Speaker 5: are they yeah distance.
Speaker 12: We can't tell exactly where they came from. The most
Speaker 12: likely source is this is sit in a river and
Speaker 12: if that's the case, you know Vogel Lake where one
Speaker 12: of these studies was based on, that's about eighteen miles
Speaker 12: if the fish was to swim perfectly straight, you know,
Speaker 12: from anchorage. If it made the trip from this is Sittina,
Speaker 12: that's like fifteen miles, so not really that far. And
Speaker 12: we think a lot of this movement's likely limited to
Speaker 12: the upper part of cook Inlet to where we have
Speaker 12: these you know, brackish waters.
Speaker 6: As you south, it gets.
Speaker 12: Pretty fully marine pretty quick, So I think this is
Speaker 12: just happening kind of an upper Cooking like region.
Speaker 2: Years ago, I was talking to a researcher who was
Speaker 2: looking at trying to explore the question of how bad
Speaker 2: could the Burmese python situation get, so they would take
Speaker 2: Burmese pythons and move north of the Florida Everglades and
Speaker 2: make these enclosures just to see like what there, At
Speaker 2: what point would they not be able to survive anymore?
Speaker 2: And they were kind of able to draw a sort
Speaker 2: of a sort of line saying what they projected to
Speaker 2: be the extent of the spread for for average temperature purposes.
Speaker 2: Right when you guys look at this, now that you're
Speaker 2: understanding that these pike are moving not just from people
Speaker 2: moving them in buckets, but they're moving on their own
Speaker 2: into unexpected areas, do you have a sense of, like
Speaker 2: of how bad it could get or do you think
Speaker 2: you already looking at the extent of what they could
Speaker 2: possibly do for as they spread into these waters? And
Speaker 2: I think within that I think we didn't cover on
Speaker 2: just I don't mean to lay too much on you
Speaker 2: at once, but you should probably speak to what this
Speaker 2: could mean for salmon, right because that's what we're really
Speaker 2: talking about here, right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So we we know how bad it
Speaker 12: can get, but it all depends really on the specific
Speaker 12: habitat of a location. You know, if you're a pike angler,
Speaker 12: you know what pike habitat looks like.
Speaker 6: You know where you.
Speaker 12: Target them and in the Sassiina Valley, we've you know,
Speaker 12: almost complete expansion through all available habitat. But what's at
Speaker 12: risk here is the Kena Peninsula for sure, the northern
Speaker 12: portion at least, and there is some tremendously good well
Speaker 12: salmon habitat currently, but it would make for very good
Speaker 12: pike habitat.
Speaker 6: And that's what we're nervous about.
Speaker 12: There's some locations that if Pike got into it would
Speaker 12: be completely devastating, you know, completely wipe out salmon because
Speaker 12: of the type of habitat in that citystem would favor
Speaker 12: pike in an apex predator like that.
Speaker 2: Does it seem like there's does it seem inevitable or
Speaker 2: does it seem like there's something that there's a move
Speaker 2: you guys that will have at your disposal.
Speaker 12: You know it's with enough time, it's likely inevitable. Now
Speaker 12: we're taking some preventative measures. In that Vogel Lake that
Speaker 12: I mentioned. We eradicated pike from there in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 12: and what we have now is a weir in place
Speaker 12: near the mouth of that drainage preventing pike from moving
Speaker 12: up through.
Speaker 6: Cooking let through that pathway.
Speaker 12: So you know, so we're taking prevention measures there, but
Speaker 12: some of these other locations, you know, we're kind of
Speaker 12: exploring options. We really want to dial in. How frequently
Speaker 12: is this occurring.
Speaker 6: We don't know.
Speaker 12: It seems to occur frequently enough that pike can establish
Speaker 12: a population. So a male and a female get into
Speaker 12: a system and fawn and kind of game over. So
Speaker 12: but we don't know exactly. We don't know really what
Speaker 12: the exact salinity concentrations or trends are in cook inlet.
Speaker 12: We need to figure that out to actually find what
Speaker 12: we think would be the boundary of how far south
Speaker 12: they can go. So once we kind of do that,
Speaker 12: we can prioritize, you know, monitoring and prevention measures.
Speaker 5: Man, just just to play Devil's advocate there, I think
Speaker 5: there would be some people that might say, if these
Speaker 5: things are traveling on their own into these area, they're
Speaker 5: not getting No one's dumping a bucket a pike into
Speaker 5: a lake, right if they're doing it on their own, Like,
Speaker 5: are they still considered an invasive species?
Speaker 12: Yeah, So that's a really good question. Short answer is yes,
Speaker 12: because they wouldn't be spreading if it wasn't for an
Speaker 12: initial human introduction. There's still a lot native to the area,
Speaker 12: so to be invasive, have to be non native and
Speaker 12: you know, causing harm.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 12: You know, a good example of that would be like
Speaker 12: the Asian carp throughout the Midwest. If they got established
Speaker 12: in the Great Lakes, you wouldn't consider them native because
Speaker 12: they swim there on their own.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: So the other kind of the other part of that
Speaker 5: that question is, at least down here, you'll have these
Speaker 5: situations where like pike or smallmouth bass or some other
Speaker 5: non native game fish will get introduced into a system,
Speaker 5: and often there'll be like a contingent of anglers that
Speaker 5: are like, we don't want these things gone. They're great, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: what I mean, you know, there's there's so many examples
Speaker 5: down here. I would imagine in Alaska maybe because of
Speaker 5: how important salmon are that there's not really that kind
Speaker 5: of pushback like for for recreational and subsistence anglers saying, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, they're not so bad.
Speaker 6: Well, we we do get that.
Speaker 12: There's definitely a following of pike anglers here that want
Speaker 12: the pike to be here, you know, move them around. Uh,
Speaker 12: that's that's why they were introduced here in the first place, right,
Speaker 12: Somebody wanting to fish for pike. So we have that,
Speaker 12: but it is still you know, your average you know,
Speaker 12: Alaskan overwhelming majority understands what's going on and would much
Speaker 12: prefer the salmon you know over a pike fishery. Yep,
Speaker 12: it only takes a couple of bad apples to really,
Speaker 12: you know, create a situation like what we have.
Speaker 5: Is this like a super high priority problem now for
Speaker 5: for Alaska fishing game?
Speaker 6: It is?
Speaker 12: This is this is probably the most devastating aquatic and
Speaker 12: vasive species we have in this region. You know, there's
Speaker 12: several others that we're dealing with, but I mean, for
Speaker 12: the pike. We've documented about twenty five percent of our
Speaker 12: anagamous lakes on a surface area basis completely destroyed from pike.
Speaker 12: Twenty five percent and this is where samuel rearing and
Speaker 12: growing before they out mak rate, and then another good
Speaker 12: fifteen percent are in pretty dire straight So significant a
Speaker 12: portion of habitat in this region is being impacted by pike.
Speaker 12: But there's there's other species on the horizon that we
Speaker 12: don't want here and we're working to prevent those as well.
Speaker 5: Have you guys implemented like cat mandatory catch and kill
Speaker 5: regulations and places we.
Speaker 12: Have in this entire region. If you catch a pike,
Speaker 12: you're required to kill it. You can kill it and
Speaker 12: tooss it back or keep it if you want, but
Speaker 12: you can't release it alive.
Speaker 6: Legally.
Speaker 2: You can kill it pickle it though, yep, yep.
Speaker 6: Kill and pickle it, and I would recommend that they're
Speaker 6: pretty good pickled.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks for chatting with us today, Parker. That was
Speaker 5: that was real informative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for coming on, man, and I hope you
Speaker 2: guys have some success with that, because you know, the
Speaker 2: world's gonna start no matter where you go. The world's
Speaker 2: gonna become at risk of looking the same no matter
Speaker 2: where you go. You know, crows and northern pike. Thanks man,
Speaker 2: appreciate it all right.
Speaker 6: Thanks, appreciate it all right.
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to go out of order?
Speaker 3: You know there there are no rules. It's just a suggestion.
Speaker 2: Can we do two questions then do the photo thing?
Speaker 2: And because I saw two two questions, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 2: Someone asked about making venice and demigloss.
Speaker 8: Oh I saw that one.
Speaker 2: Absolute.
Speaker 8: Just make sure you leave some meat on the bones
Speaker 8: because it's a little lean.
Speaker 5: If you don't, you.
Speaker 2: Get a real blonde.
Speaker 5: If you you got to commit to the time involved, man,
Speaker 5: but it's so worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to commit to the time being involved.
Speaker 2: Then you got to commit to later trying to get
Speaker 2: that ring off your pot, because you're going to have
Speaker 2: a ring of like something that looks like it would
Speaker 2: have an industrial application, like a ring of sort of
Speaker 2: like a POxy that forms. But you got to cook
Speaker 2: it down to I mean picture that you're cooking it
Speaker 2: down and cooking it down to the point where it's
Speaker 2: like it's the consistency of cold maple syrup. Like when
Speaker 2: you lay the back of a spoon in it and
Speaker 2: lift it up. It's it's uh, it'll stick to that spoon,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I'll put it into ice cube trays.
Speaker 5: That's what I do because it's powerful. Throw one ice
Speaker 5: cub worth and it's like a pine of stock.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then later when you're having your supper, I'll
Speaker 2: take maybe like two parts butter, one part demiglass, a
Speaker 2: little booze or a little wine or something. Yeah. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it works, good man, it works good.
Speaker 5: I like that you said supper, not enough people still
Speaker 5: call it supper, dude.
Speaker 2: I remember it was so funny as I remember when
Speaker 2: I went to graduate school, Okay, graduate school, I remember
Speaker 2: making a conscious decision to stop saying something. Nobody said supper,
Speaker 2: nobody said suffer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not it. That's not a West Coast thing.
Speaker 2: I remember being like, man, how come these guys no
Speaker 2: one says that's what? I switched to dinner? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it about myself now, but
Speaker 2: I like consciously switched to dinner. So I thought it
Speaker 2: made me. I was like, these guys don't know what
Speaker 2: supper is. Oh, there's another question, Yeah, someone asked. I
Speaker 2: saw a comment come up where there's a there's a
Speaker 2: host Forrest Gallant, who oh yeah, is that true that
Speaker 2: he said that?
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: I can look it up though, says that he said
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be able to hunt bears because it's trophy hunting.
Speaker 2: M you know, you know what, here's a good thing
Speaker 2: to go look at. There's about a guy, yeah, talked
Speaker 2: about that bear that fell out of the man while
Speaker 2: hunting in Virginia. So a guy was hunting Virginia and
Speaker 2: they treat a bear. There's a tragedy. They treat a bear.
Speaker 2: And we discussed this, so they treat a bear. Someone
Speaker 2: shot the bear. A guy's dog got under and he
Speaker 2: thought the bear was gonna land on the dog. He
Speaker 2: went there to try to save his dog got hit
Speaker 2: by the bear and it killed him. So naturally it
Speaker 2: brings out all this commentary like oh he deserved it,
Speaker 2: you know, and all this terrible stuff.
Speaker 8: Everybody's pretty nasty.
Speaker 5: I don't understand what trophy hunting has to do, like
Speaker 5: it's just like.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean like bears are great to eat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't get it, Like like I killed deer and
Speaker 2: I have their I have deer skulls all over my damn.
Speaker 3: I don't know how true that is because I'm finding
Speaker 3: for he's put he has videos of himself hunting bears online,
Speaker 3: so I don't I don't know where that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was wondering about it.
Speaker 3: Maybe he had a change of heart. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, but I don't know. But but either way,
Speaker 2: you know, what's a great line one of my there's
Speaker 2: a Boone biography by Farreger mac Farreger, and then and
Speaker 2: in the Boone Byer, if you by mac Ferreger, he's
Speaker 2: talking about Venison and in uh venison and bear meat,
Speaker 2: and he says that on the American Frontier, bear meat
Speaker 2: was for eating. Yeah, you shot deer, You shot deer
Speaker 2: for leather, and when you got hunger, you shot bears.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Anyone who's ever eating a good all black bear
Speaker 5: should try it.
Speaker 8: Oh man, it's fatty and delicious. It's that's awesome.
Speaker 2: And you know, everything's got a trophy, man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some weasels.
Speaker 2: Weasels got a little trophy.
Speaker 3: People are saying that he said it on his most
Speaker 3: recent podcast, but I haven't heard that. I can't speak
Speaker 3: to that. I don't think any any any of us
Speaker 3: can right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird. It's a odd like you'd have
Speaker 2: to really, you'd have to stay up for a few
Speaker 2: days to find a way to justify that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you still wouldn't.
Speaker 2: How do we do the fishing trip thing?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: You say? Our next segment is called meat Eater Top Threes.
Speaker 2: Our next segments called me the top threes.
Speaker 5: Phil Oh, okay.
Speaker 7: Don't forget about this, brony.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I was waiting on these musical transitions. I
Speaker 5: hadn't heard one yet.
Speaker 2: It's grateful, but really good Bill.
Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate it. And then yeah, Steve, if you look
Speaker 3: at the script, then it's you. You continue a little
Speaker 3: bit more and say, this week we are ranking our
Speaker 3: three favorite fishing trips.
Speaker 2: So naturally, this week we're ranking our three favorite fishing trips. Maggie,
Speaker 2: you go first. What's your third most favorite memorable fishing trip.
Speaker 8: So this was a fun trip down in Florida and
Speaker 8: the golf. My my folks had just retired and they
Speaker 8: spent three months airbnb hopping in Florida. Oh, they like
Speaker 8: drove down with their lake boat and they had their
Speaker 8: old town canoe on top of the truck. My mom
Speaker 8: was like, we look like Beverly Hill Billy's going down here.
Speaker 8: So I flew down there and hung out with them.
Speaker 8: My dad and I went out with a guide for
Speaker 8: a day and.
Speaker 2: Then well then here you are in the canoe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: We just took the canoe out and the mangroves. We
Speaker 8: had a little trolling motor. We would u we would
Speaker 8: paddle around some fly casting was kind of difficult, but uh,
Speaker 8: you know, spin and gear. I'd never caught red fish before.
Speaker 8: They're super fun fish to catch.
Speaker 2: And that's your old man in the canoe.
Speaker 8: That's my dad. Yeah, he's he's big on sun protection
Speaker 8: and man, red fish on the half shell, Holy cow,
Speaker 8: that's a great fish to eat. I didn't really know
Speaker 8: what the half shell thing meant. But when you cook
Speaker 8: them up like that, it.
Speaker 5: Hardens up and it's scales.
Speaker 8: It's almost like chunks of crab out of there. Is amazing.
Speaker 8: I actually I just cooked up that red fish he
Speaker 8: gave me this summer after. It was delicious fish. I
Speaker 8: didn't know you gave that fish to me.
Speaker 5: You can do that same thing with northern pike, yeah, can.
Speaker 8: Man, you're gonna have to catch something.
Speaker 5: Cook northern you leave the scales on.
Speaker 8: You can do that and it forms that delicious slime
Speaker 8: scrape and you get down to man, you're not going
Speaker 8: to eat the skin.
Speaker 2: Oh you know a trick on d slimemen. Those suckers
Speaker 2: you ever put them in salt? From minute that ship
Speaker 2: comes off.
Speaker 5: It's amazing how they keep producing it for.
Speaker 2: Where's it coming from?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 2: Number two?
Speaker 8: I think we all do.
Speaker 3: I'm we're going to do Brodie's Number three.
Speaker 2: Oh well, this canna take forever.
Speaker 8: I tried to go fast.
Speaker 3: It's nine things to talk about.
Speaker 5: This is tough for me. Man, I've had a lot
Speaker 5: of good things. I kind of concentrated on family trips
Speaker 5: because they're the most fun these days. Uh, this is
Speaker 5: every couple of years. Uh, I got to go on
Speaker 5: this vacation where my wife's family gets together for a
Speaker 5: family reunion down south, and it's kind of vacation where
Speaker 5: people spend half the day on the beach and half
Speaker 5: the day at the pool. And that that is tough
Speaker 5: for me. So I always try and squeeze some fishing,
Speaker 5: and uh, we got into some that first picture, we
Speaker 5: got into some dorado and kobea a few my I
Speaker 5: was out, And then the next picture we really got
Speaker 5: into this speckled trout and white trout back in the sound,
Speaker 5: and uh, it was just a great trip.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 8: Did you gaff that thing while you had it on
Speaker 8: the fly?
Speaker 5: The guy we're fishing with a guide we know down
Speaker 5: there and he threw that gaff. He did the gaffing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was my number three. Oh. I was
Speaker 2: just here here, I'm holding the triple tail. I shot
Speaker 2: with a spear gun. But this is just a placeholder.
Speaker 2: For the last bunch of years, handful of years I've
Speaker 2: been going down and diving, uh, spearfishing the oil rigs
Speaker 2: and the golf of Mexico, and uh, that's become not
Speaker 2: my most favorite, but a favorite thing of mine to
Speaker 2: go do is do the oil rigs and uh with
Speaker 2: that triple tail. It's funny because you have all this
Speaker 2: murky brackish water that floats up top, and then you
Speaker 2: have this little band of clear water. So let's say
Speaker 2: it's thirty feet deep. You'll have like twelve feet of
Speaker 2: muck that's on top. Then you'll have a four or
Speaker 2: five foot band of water you can see, and then
Speaker 2: you got all the bottom muck. And they call it
Speaker 2: like the center of the oreo, and you hunt the
Speaker 2: center of the oreo. And it's funny because like fish
Speaker 2: going to the center of the oreo, and this this
Speaker 2: oreole center was about big enough for a person to
Speaker 2: lay horizontal in it. I'm not kidding you. It's like
Speaker 2: a very narrow window of clear water. And I go
Speaker 2: down and I find that narrow window of clear water
Speaker 2: and I look and there's that sun bitch of tripletail
Speaker 2: sitting there. And the last thing he thought was someone's
Speaker 2: gonna shoot it.
Speaker 5: You know, they lay sideways under like palettes and shit like,
Speaker 5: yeah he was.
Speaker 2: He was upright in the rig, upright in the rig,
Speaker 2: and I walked up to him like I was walking
Speaker 2: up to you, you know, in no country for old man.
Speaker 2: When he gets the cop with that captive bolt gun. Yep,
Speaker 2: that was me and that fish.
Speaker 5: That's a big triple tail.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 3: Maggie's number two, my number two.
Speaker 8: This is uh cool mountain fishing trip right in my
Speaker 8: backyard and the winds went up there with my boyfriend.
Speaker 8: This is actually a very memorable fishing trip from a
Speaker 8: dumb mistake I made, which I'll get to.
Speaker 3: But uh so where is this, Maggie?
Speaker 8: Sorry, this is in the Winds.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that is.
Speaker 8: It is the wind River Range in Wyoming.
Speaker 3: Ah, gotcha, this is the lingo. I'm not privy too,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So we went in I think about sixteen or seventeen
Speaker 8: miles one day and we sort of just made a
Speaker 8: big loop and fished our way around for a week
Speaker 8: and came out another trailhead. It was awesome. My old
Speaker 8: dog he was I think eleven there and he was
Speaker 8: a trooper came the whole time. We uh yeah, caught cuddies, Brookies.
Speaker 8: It was just a really great trip. I brought this
Speaker 8: little packet of like curry paste up with me. It
Speaker 8: was like a single use packet and cooking fish over
Speaker 8: the fire with some cur repast in the middle. Like
Speaker 8: maybe you're just backcountry hungry, but holy moly, it was delicious.
Speaker 8: It was he like, didn't need butter anything. It was
Speaker 8: really good. So the last day are it rained so
Speaker 8: hard our our tent. It was like slapping a bag
Speaker 8: of wind if you ever did that in your youthful days. Uh.
Speaker 8: So it rained harder than I'd ever seen it rain
Speaker 8: in the winds. And we're walking out and I'm just
Speaker 8: popping along, thinking about a cheeseburger and a cold beer
Speaker 8: at the burger bar, and uh, you know, we're off
Speaker 8: trail because there's a bunch of trees down and stuff.
Speaker 8: And I just took one bad step and uh there's
Speaker 8: a lot of swearing involved.
Speaker 2: Looks like you took a bad step and got hit
Speaker 2: by a truck.
Speaker 8: Was like, uh, you know, he was like, oh, I'll
Speaker 8: just set up the tent. I'll leave you here. You know,
Speaker 8: I'll go get some horses and come back and get you.
Speaker 8: And I was so mad, I was, I'm walking out
Speaker 8: of here. Got so I walked out nine miles on
Speaker 8: a broken ankle, and I've got a plate and seven
Speaker 8: screws to boot from it.
Speaker 2: Wow, that looks painful.
Speaker 8: So watch your stuff out there, kids, all right?
Speaker 3: Bro to your number two?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah. A couple of years ago we go to
Speaker 5: Fort Peck usually every year for a Memorial Day weekend,
Speaker 5: and a couple of years ago we just had like
Speaker 5: the trip of trips, like for three days we could
Speaker 5: do like no wrong on Walleye and Pike, like giant Walleye,
Speaker 5: Big Pike, and it was it was just like one
Speaker 5: of the best fishing trips I've ever been on. Like
Speaker 5: the boys were just crushing big fish.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: It was just a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: You can also get your heart broken there too.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean the year before it wasn't that great. Last
Speaker 5: year it.
Speaker 2: Was just like the wind too.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but that we just like hit it perfectly
Speaker 5: and it was just lake.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: Steve, you want to do your you're number two?
Speaker 2: Bring that up here.
Speaker 3: I think we all know this picture.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah one, uh, the one that got away. That
Speaker 2: octopus still down there, still down there, still haunts me somehow.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out where he lives. Pushing the pot.
Speaker 2: I know where he lives. They don't move that much.
Speaker 2: We're going to tangle again, probably this August.
Speaker 5: That thing might be big enough to just drag your book.
Speaker 2: Because I told you that what I learned about it,
Speaker 2: what the guy told me.
Speaker 5: A trick, a fishing TRICKIM.
Speaker 2: When you're fighting, having a fight with one, put a
Speaker 2: hook into him, yeah before then you fight with him,
Speaker 2: and when if he wins the fight, he just takes
Speaker 2: off to the bottom, then you crank him back up
Speaker 2: and fight with him again. You can fight him as
Speaker 2: many times as you want because you got that hook
Speaker 2: stuck in them. So next time I get him up
Speaker 2: to the boat, I'm putting a hook into him, or
Speaker 2: I'm going to drag his ass to the beach. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna drive to the beach. Just on the beach,
Speaker 2: he can stick to the bottom of the boat all
Speaker 2: he wants, and then he's pretty soon it's gonna be
Speaker 2: pinned between my boat bottom and the bank. I got
Speaker 2: it all planned.
Speaker 3: I'm just imagining this being the last act of your life,
Speaker 3: like decades from now, and it's just you and the octopus.
Speaker 3: You both end up on a beach somewhere.
Speaker 2: I would love to die fighting that octopus.
Speaker 3: Great, Okay, let's go to Maggie's number number one.
Speaker 8: See what Oh my uh Nate, my boyfriend and my
Speaker 8: good friend Emily and I took his awesome trip to
Speaker 8: Costa Rica pas Gios pesca dios se uh that rooster fish.
Speaker 8: I it fought so hard it was it was like
Speaker 8: tailing like a tarpain getting up and I was so spent,
Speaker 8: and the guys picked it up and handed it to me.
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, man, I gotta do push ups
Speaker 8: before my next saltwater fishing trip. I spent, But so
Speaker 8: we went out a couple days with the guy. We
Speaker 8: went out at the beginning of our trip. This is
Speaker 8: like a two week trip. We just kind of bopped
Speaker 8: around the Osa Peninsula and so we went out the
Speaker 8: first day and we crushed it on Dorato. So we
Speaker 8: had a pile of fish that we just freeze and
Speaker 8: carried around with us, and we went out. I think
Speaker 8: it was like right before Christmas that first day. So
Speaker 8: I think the next picture should be our Christmas feast.
Speaker 8: Oh that's a jack I caught off shore. We just
Speaker 8: tossed poppers off the shore for jack and there were
Speaker 8: brewster fish surfing in the waves. Really, it was incredible
Speaker 8: just the diversity of fish we found. So this was
Speaker 8: all Doroto. We've got like three different We've got like
Speaker 8: two savices, a poke kind of like a crudo sashimi thing,
Speaker 8: some pan fried fish, uh, some kind of burnt fried plantains,
Speaker 8: and a embarrassing amount of Pillson's in the trash can
Speaker 8: over there. But uh, but that was our Christmas feast.
Speaker 8: All in. The snapper was incredibly good eating.
Speaker 2: That's a mutton.
Speaker 5: Is that a coubrera?
Speaker 8: I think it's a small cubrera. The cubra was really tasty.
Speaker 5: Those things get jagged, they get huge.
Speaker 8: We caught a bigger one, but that size was really
Speaker 8: good eating. We actually, the one souvenir we brought back
Speaker 8: from Costa Rica was this like metal dish that we
Speaker 8: bought at one of the local stores so we could
Speaker 8: cook those snapper fish in it. And that is a
Speaker 8: that's the one thing we brought home and I still
Speaker 8: use it for cooking fish.
Speaker 3: Great, all right, Brody, you're number one.
Speaker 8: Hmm.
Speaker 5: Every trip to the Fish Act is good. But last
Speaker 5: year was like exceptionally good fishing. And the funny thing is,
Speaker 5: like a day or two before we got there, Steve
Speaker 5: called me and he's like, man, they got some bad news.
Speaker 5: He's like, the fishing is really good, so it's bound
Speaker 5: to end soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it comes in seven day waves.
Speaker 5: But we got there and it just kept going and
Speaker 5: going and going all week. Halibut, salmon, Pacific cod, lincott.
Speaker 5: It was just like a really good king salmon. It
Speaker 5: was just a really really good week of fishing. And
Speaker 5: it's just always a great time up there.
Speaker 3: Great, all right, let's move on to Steve's number one here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that's yeah, that's a wooden hook, a
Speaker 2: traditional Native Alaskan coastal Native Alaskan fishing hook called a
Speaker 2: knock knah. I was out with Heather Duville and her
Speaker 2: father Mike, who lived in Craig, Alaska. Their cling it
Speaker 2: and they took me out to fish. We were filming
Speaker 2: my New History Channel show Hunting History, and one of
Speaker 2: the scenes we go out with them to fish with
Speaker 2: traditional hooks. I had always seen these hooks everywhere you
Speaker 2: go in Southeast Alaska. One of these hooks is hanging
Speaker 2: on the wall and I always thought two things. I thought,
Speaker 2: how do you set that thing? And two there's no
Speaker 2: way that thing works. And we put a dozen of
Speaker 2: those hooks down. Let them fish for maybe two hours.
Speaker 5: You're baiting at with octopus, right.
Speaker 2: Baita with octopus. Her and her dad set out. They
Speaker 2: always set them in pairs. They set them in pairs
Speaker 2: so the hooks compete with each other. We set out
Speaker 2: six pairs. Okay, they let them fish out of two hours.
Speaker 2: Maybe we let them sit for two hours. So twelve hooks,
Speaker 2: all set in the same area on the same bank,
Speaker 2: come back and had and had three three halbit all
Speaker 2: seventy plus.
Speaker 8: So you're not like trugging.
Speaker 2: That hook floats. So that hook is tied to a rock.
Speaker 2: So there's a rock, and you had about eighteen inches
Speaker 2: of the line, and that hook floats above the rock.
Speaker 2: It's buoyant and it's got two different woods, so it
Speaker 2: floats the right way, and it's one of those what
Speaker 2: he ate is wrapped an octopus. So he goes on
Speaker 2: and they got a metal spike on there that winds
Speaker 2: up catching them pointing back the other way. So they
Speaker 2: were telling me that traditionally those hooks were made with bear,
Speaker 2: not metal, not stainless, but bear shinbone. Okay, So they
Speaker 2: carved their own knocks and they put that stainless barb
Speaker 2: on there, you know. But I when I got home,
Speaker 2: I put out an email at looking for bear shinbones,
Speaker 2: and Corey's not here, gave me a bear shinbone. So
Speaker 2: I cut that bear shinbone up, and I made a
Speaker 2: couple bear shin bone barbs, and that they had given
Speaker 2: me one of those knocks, and I took the steel
Speaker 2: spike off and put a bear shinbone. I made the
Speaker 2: I did the whole thing. I dried it out real
Speaker 2: good and then made it with a belt sander. So
Speaker 2: I made the prong and mounted that bear shinbone prong
Speaker 2: and sent it back up the heather. And they're gonna
Speaker 2: take it out and fish it cool, and seeing I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna hold up nice. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna hold up. That was But that day, that was
Speaker 2: one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. Twelve hooks,
Speaker 2: three big hal but one of those sets had two.
Speaker 2: So seeing a halbit come up on a wooden hook
Speaker 2: tied to a rock.
Speaker 3: That's why I mean a rock.
Speaker 8: I had seen those, but I always assumed they were
Speaker 8: like trolled or something.
Speaker 2: It was cool as shit, man, I couldn't believe. You know.
Speaker 2: The other thing is when that fish is hooked on
Speaker 2: that thing, he's just like they take him up real general.
Speaker 2: He's not fighting. It's like you got him, you got
Speaker 2: him by the balls. When he's on that thing, man,
Speaker 2: they just come up the like I give up.
Speaker 5: And when when they're pulling him in, are they harpooner?
Speaker 5: They just lift it up.
Speaker 2: And so he takes I learned so much shit about hell.
Speaker 2: But this day, when that fish comes up, he's got
Speaker 2: a way. He hits it on its nose flop, just
Speaker 2: stuns them, just stuns them, and you already pull big
Speaker 2: hell in. The boat starts beating all around. It's gonna
Speaker 2: like break fishing rides, and everybody's freaking out. They pet
Speaker 2: it on the white side of the belly. You just
Speaker 2: tickle its belly and they go rigid. And then I
Speaker 2: also learned I've been bleeding halbit all the way wrong.
Speaker 2: When they bleed a halibit, it's like it's like it's
Speaker 2: like a Quentin Tarantino movie. Yeah, where I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: You don't want to give away that dude, and they're
Speaker 2: not sawing away. I mean they take that knife and
Speaker 2: one little and it's like, like I said, it's like
Speaker 2: a I didn't know there's so much blood in Albit.
Speaker 2: We bleed helbit, you get like a thimble. They bleed hell.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it looks like it's like it's
Speaker 2: like watching pulp fiction.
Speaker 8: Hmm.
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a day, I bet. Thank you, Heather.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks guys. Okay, last last Q and a oh
Speaker 3: exacting here and then we'll wrap up the shows here,
Speaker 3: last last call for questions. Get him in if you
Speaker 3: want us. The first one's more of a comment, but
Speaker 3: he thought you'd appreciate this. Steve Collins says that he
Speaker 3: finally picked up a copy of The Scavenger's Guide to
Speaker 3: Hook Cuisine from a used bookstore and the lower half
Speaker 3: of the pages are covered in dried deer blood. So
Speaker 3: that's great to let you know.
Speaker 2: That's great. How do you know it's dear blood?
Speaker 3: He says. Apparently someone whoever sold it to the store
Speaker 3: wrote a note saying it was dear blood. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: he's just trying to cover it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's classic murder. That's a classic murder move right there,
Speaker 2: Cops get to your house. That's all dear blood boys.
Speaker 3: Question for the crew, what do you think of shed
Speaker 3: hunting area closures? Is it ethical or a pointless gesture?
Speaker 2: No, I think it makes sense, like in some place.
Speaker 2: It depends in some places. I think where you have
Speaker 2: Like I think if you got an area where you
Speaker 2: got those incredible amounts of snow, and you got a
Speaker 2: bunch of animals that are already stressed and half dead,
Speaker 2: and it's March, and they and instead of people hounding
Speaker 2: them and chasing them around, get antlers. I see now
Speaker 2: and then that it makes sense to tell everybody to
Speaker 2: hold off till until you produce the snow load and
Speaker 2: the animals can move on.
Speaker 8: I totally agree because I live right in the middle
Speaker 8: of a huge mule deer migration corridor. We've got elk
Speaker 8: feed grounds, and if people could just go in there whenever,
Speaker 8: like those animals would be freaked out. Yeah, and the
Speaker 8: most stressful time of the year.
Speaker 5: You just don't need to be bumping them around at
Speaker 5: the time of year when they're at their like the
Speaker 5: bottom of their health for the year. It's just like
Speaker 5: too easy to run them down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a saying winter, winter weekends, spring kills.
Speaker 2: You're hitting them at a bad time. And then and
Speaker 2: then two you always got to like the the problem
Speaker 2: is too you always sometimes you got to make laws
Speaker 2: for the worst actors. Yep, And you get people. It
Speaker 2: sucks to say it, but you get people that run
Speaker 2: after and chase after animals to get them to drop.
Speaker 8: Oh man. And like the shed Opener where I live,
Speaker 8: it's well, they actually have a week for locals now,
Speaker 8: which is nice because it's slowed it down a little bit.
Speaker 8: But like I walk my dog out on BLM every
Speaker 8: day and I know the place is where the deer hold,
Speaker 8: and I avoid those places. You know, shed Opener, people
Speaker 8: are just running around on four or five side by sides,
Speaker 8: like not on dirt roads. There's more people out there.
Speaker 8: I never see a soul out there, and they're just
Speaker 8: all over the place, deer running around, freaking out like
Speaker 8: it's always a big ordeal. So you know, there might
Speaker 8: be something to having like one opening day being this
Speaker 8: big event, but I think it's better than animals getting
Speaker 8: chased around in the winter when they're already struggling. Pretty good.
Speaker 3: Mitch is asking how long is too long to freeze
Speaker 3: a skull before cleaning it to mount I.
Speaker 8: Had a deer skull in a Dave Sushi bag that
Speaker 8: I forgot about in my garage when I lived in
Speaker 8: a trailer. You're in Bozeman with my friend and Goes.
Speaker 8: I was wondering what was in that Dave Sushi bag
Speaker 8: in the garage and I opened it up, and good lord,
Speaker 8: bagging that thing's rancid. I was like, Oh, don't worry,
Speaker 8: I'll boil it. It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that bone will never weaken in a freezer.
Speaker 10: Cool.
Speaker 3: I think you covered a lot of this stuff on
Speaker 3: the podcast with most Steve, but this is the first
Speaker 3: radio live since your new show Hunting History premiered. Uh
Speaker 3: and Anthony's feeding into the conspiracy says, do you think
Speaker 3: DV Cooper burned his parachute?
Speaker 2: No? I mean, no one knows, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you ever a mess with the parachute, that's a
Speaker 2: They're a mess. They're a mess. I have to think
Speaker 2: I think he stashed it. I think he stuck it somewhere.
Speaker 2: I don't think he carried it around. I think he
Speaker 2: buried it somewhere. You know, after messing with one, like
Speaker 2: you stick that thing under log and jam it under
Speaker 2: there and throw some moss and stuff. You have to
Speaker 2: just you have to like dig in the right.
Speaker 5: Spot, especially in that environment.
Speaker 2: I don't think he carried it around. I think it
Speaker 2: would have been a bit in the rain.
Speaker 3: Greg's asking thoughts on Colorado non resident elk bow tags
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. Do you think the old over
Speaker 3: the counter units will be zero points? He's trying to
Speaker 3: build confidence. He wasn't over the counter guy that wasn't
Speaker 3: smart enough to save up his points.
Speaker 5: I think I think it was a necessary move as
Speaker 5: much as people don't want to hear it. And the
Speaker 5: point thing is going to be very unit dependent. Some
Speaker 5: units they'll you'll need points and some you won't. Just
Speaker 5: depends how many tags they issue.
Speaker 2: Cool. I could do this all day, Phil, I like
Speaker 2: these questions.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, this is officially the longest episode of Radio Live.
Speaker 2: We can keep going stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool, thanks the questions, guys, appreciate it is
Speaker 3: the part where you wrap up the show, Steve, you know,
Speaker 3: say anything else you want to say?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Brody, wrap it up.
Speaker 5: How about I wrap it up by telling you to
Speaker 5: talk about your little history tour you're doing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so me and Randall tour is a little
Speaker 2: someone pointed out, the tours seems a little it's a
Speaker 2: little heavy.
Speaker 5: Guess what.
Speaker 3: Randal and Seth are still in the waiting room. Hey, guys,
Speaker 3: what's going on with.
Speaker 2: Me and Randall? Here's the deal, Me and Randall is there?
Speaker 2: Me know the dates off the top of their head.
Speaker 9: The eleventh and Bozeman.
Speaker 2: Me and Randall are going on a mini tour college.
Speaker 2: We're going on a college tour. We're going to college
Speaker 2: campuses and doing a free lecture about the mountain Man
Speaker 2: era we're doing. We're doing one at Montana State University.
Speaker 2: We're doing one at University of Montana, and.
Speaker 8: We're doing twentieth. Sorry, I'm trying to stick the dates.
Speaker 1: In there for okay.
Speaker 2: Montana State University February eleventh.
Speaker 8: University of Montana February twentieth.
Speaker 2: University of Wyoming February twenty sixth. Yeah, it's free, open
Speaker 2: to the public. Watch our website to get you got
Speaker 2: a register. You can't just show up. You gotta like
Speaker 2: tell your comings so we can so people don't show
Speaker 2: up and there's no seats, and I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: many of them still have seats, but like I said,
Speaker 2: come on down. Me and Randall on stage telling the
Speaker 2: story of the Mountain Men and what that era meant
Speaker 2: and means.
Speaker 8: There you go, go on the meat eater dot com
Speaker 8: live events.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come down here next week maybe if you
Speaker 2: need to find out.
Speaker 3: Thanks everyone,