WEBVTT - Sword of the Samurai

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Christian Seger. Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have played many a D and D game.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about it on the show before. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners are D and D fans, some are not.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm curious what weapon did you decide to go

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<v Speaker 1>with your first time playing the first time you rolled

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<v Speaker 1>up a character. Oh, I went with a katana of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Samurai sword. Yeah. This is one of the beautiful things

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<v Speaker 1>about D and D is that they meticulously researched weapons

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<v Speaker 1>from throughout history so they could insert them into this

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<v Speaker 1>game full of elves and goblins. But you learn about

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<v Speaker 1>things like katanas and falcions and glaves and all these.

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<v Speaker 1>I have all this weird, useless knowledge about melee weapons

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<v Speaker 1>from throughout history. Uh. Yeah, katanas are fascinating. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was the sword to and uh. And and

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<v Speaker 1>to your point that the fantasy world of Dungeon and

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<v Speaker 1>Dragons especially is the it is an unreal history, that is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that is forged out of out of many a detail

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<v Speaker 1>from our actual history of taking on New Shape and

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<v Speaker 1>New Form. Yeah, like you're halfling thief can have a

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<v Speaker 1>katana and that's not like cultural appropriation or anything, which

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about episode yeah, or is it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it might be well we'll have to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. Ye spoilers to the next episode. But be

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<v Speaker 1>that as it may. Uh. Yes, the katana, the Samurai

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<v Speaker 1>sword definitely a sexy, sexy weapon. Any any child, any

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<v Speaker 1>adult can tell you that that this is a this

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<v Speaker 1>is a really cool sword to look at, two wield

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<v Speaker 1>and fantasy battle. And I mean it's all over our media, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, teenage Muntan, Ninja turtle. Yeah. I forget which

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<v Speaker 1>one had the katana. Leonardo Leonardo did. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 1>always the one you want to do Leonardo does. Swords

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<v Speaker 1>is the riff. Yeah. Oh, and then of course the

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<v Speaker 1>Highlander movies, Connor McCloud with this ivory, hilted katana even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's the Scottish maybe alien immortal. Well but see

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<v Speaker 1>he got that sword from an ancient Scottish Egyptian played

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<v Speaker 1>by with the Spanish name, played by Sean Connery, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's a little complicated with immortals. But but

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<v Speaker 1>clearly like the stik of the sword was was was

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<v Speaker 1>presented in that film. Yeah, I've been really interested in

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<v Speaker 1>just samurai fiction in general lately, and so the Katana

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<v Speaker 1>has been on my mind, which is why I asked

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<v Speaker 1>you if we could do an episode on this. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>working on a project that is going to incorporate elements

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<v Speaker 1>of samurai, you know, lore like armor and clothing and

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<v Speaker 1>weapons of course, and and their ethos. So I've been

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<v Speaker 1>catching up on all the samurai fiction and reading a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of Lone Wolf and Cub You know that manga.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm familiar with it. I've never read it though. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about this father and son. The son's like three years

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<v Speaker 1>old as a journey through historical Japan, and he's this

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<v Speaker 1>exiled runan. It's pretty fascinating. And then, of course I

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<v Speaker 1>watched a ton of Cia Kurasawas movies, the big ones

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<v Speaker 1>being Seven Samurai, Thrown of Blood and you know Jimbo.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all starring Toshiro Mufune as the title samurai

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<v Speaker 1>usually in most of those cases. Uh. And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's Jim Jarmish's Ghost Dog The Way of the Samurai.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember that movie from the nineties. I never saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the Forest Whittaker Samurai movie. Yeah. And and then, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the other one that I've seen recently that I like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot surprising was that takash miche uh movie Thirteen Assassins. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty good. I I haven't watched any of his

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<v Speaker 1>films recently. I'm not usually a big fan of his work,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is a great samurai movie. And it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>shows the power of the katana. There's lots of limbs

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<v Speaker 1>flying around and and I assume it's suitably weird. H Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely, like especially like when you think of like

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<v Speaker 1>seven Samurai and thirteen Assassins like next to one another,

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<v Speaker 1>and like there's probably fifty years in between the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them, it is significantly weirder. Well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I've really enjoyed any samurai fiction recently, unless you,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, count the American Samurai and Samurai Cop starring

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Sadar. Yeah. I mean his katana must have been

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<v Speaker 1>made in the Ancient Tree, right, I remember that movie vaguely.

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<v Speaker 1>That isn't that tied in with another series of movies?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the American Ninja movies. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>it's directly tied in with those, but it's in the same,

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<v Speaker 1>the same spirit, the same uh you know, culturally slightly insensitive,

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<v Speaker 1>but but I do. I also remember reading James Clavel's

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<v Speaker 1>Showgun back in middle school. There is a ve novel

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<v Speaker 1>about intrigued between between samurai and you had this this

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<v Speaker 1>Western character in the midst of it, you know, this outsider.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of this. It is a really long novel. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The main thing I remember about it, aside from various

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<v Speaker 1>details of swordplay and uh and and a few elements

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<v Speaker 1>that were perhaps a little too mature for for me

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<v Speaker 1>as a middle school reader, I do remember that it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was so thick, and I brought it to

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<v Speaker 1>scout camp with me, and then it got damp because

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<v Speaker 1>it rained, and so the spine remained the same size,

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<v Speaker 1>but the bulk of the paperback swelled up to like

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<v Speaker 1>three times the size of the spine. Totally remember that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's funny. Now. When I got older, I did get

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<v Speaker 1>into Crosawa films for a while, and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>just mainlined a bunch of Corosawa films and today the

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<v Speaker 1>really the only one that stands out to me. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Throwing of Blood. Yeah, it's great. Throwing of Blood

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<v Speaker 1>is the their version of Macbeth basically right and take

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant black and white. Yeah. Yeah, it's creepy too, like

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<v Speaker 1>the way the witches are done and everything. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great film. Yeah, one of my favorite McBeth adaptations

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<v Speaker 1>and probably the best death by Aero scene ever. Spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>from adst. So, yeah, we've got plenty of samurai fiction

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<v Speaker 1>to go around, and we're not even like going through

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<v Speaker 1>and listing like there's I mean, if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>samurai fiction list on Google, there's just like hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>movies that have been made. And uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I mentioned this on the show before I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Singapore and so I ended up watching a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Wosa movies growing up too, And they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily using katanas in all of those movies, but like

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<v Speaker 1>that same kind of uh Asian sword play mysticism, it

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<v Speaker 1>worked its way into those films in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that they do sort of in Curse Awa. But Curse

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<v Speaker 1>I was not necessarily other than like throwing a blood,

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<v Speaker 1>there'sn't like magic um. But yeah, so it's just always

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<v Speaker 1>been something that's on my mind. And then I started

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<v Speaker 1>looking into this and I found out, holy cow, these

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<v Speaker 1>swords are apparently like a marvel of engineering even by

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<v Speaker 1>today's standards, and they're they're relatively complex in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>how they were made and incredibly expensive. Oh kill Bill Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen that. Obviously, that's probably the film that most

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<v Speaker 1>people would know Katanas from, because there's a whole long

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<v Speaker 1>scene where the katanas being made for her, but like

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<v Speaker 1>specific accomplished sword smith. Uh. And that was the one

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<v Speaker 1>that really brought to my mind, like, oh, there is

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<v Speaker 1>there's an art to this, right, It's not like they're

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<v Speaker 1>just like cranking these things out of forge. Now, one

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<v Speaker 1>other point about the Samurai before we get in want

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<v Speaker 1>into more detail here. I think it's also worth pointing

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<v Speaker 1>out that even if you're not dealing with actual Samurai

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<v Speaker 1>lacquered armor and uh Samurai swords, the spirit of the

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<v Speaker 1>Samurai castle long shadow over the history and the pop

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<v Speaker 1>culture of Japan. So even in things like uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>various science fiction and anime UH franchises, and and even

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<v Speaker 1>in for instance New Japan Pro Wrestling, of which I

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<v Speaker 1>am I'm a fan, you see the Bushido code, the

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<v Speaker 1>way of the samurai reflected in the way some of

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<v Speaker 1>these characters are presented to Yeah, there is like a

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<v Speaker 1>very strong association with that. I don't know if lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>is even the right word, but like quality of character. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And these weapons actually because I can say a distinctive

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<v Speaker 1>warrior ethos. Yeah, yeah, very much. So. That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I love about Lone Wolf and Cub

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's meticulously researched, and the lead character obviously

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<v Speaker 1>follows that ethos very closely and constantly talks about it

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<v Speaker 1>as you do in Mango, like he's always telling his opponents,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, beforehand, like this is why I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>cut you in half because my specific code of honor,

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<v Speaker 1>uh makes it so I have to do this because

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<v Speaker 1>you're a dishonorable cur Well. I think that the great

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<v Speaker 1>thing about the katana is that it is a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>extension of the samurai and and the cultural qualities that

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<v Speaker 1>go into that. Yeah. So uh, I guess we should

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and get into it a little bit. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like everyone knows on some level what the samurai were,

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<v Speaker 1>but we probably need to just unwrap it a bit

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<v Speaker 1>as well here, right, so, as I was mentioning earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>these are not just like your everyday warriors, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like every warrior in Japan was a samurai. They

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<v Speaker 1>were expected to have personal characteristics and attitudes that were

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<v Speaker 1>different from those of the ordinary soldier. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>they were given the responsibility of wielding these specific weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were considered honorable and trustworthy, just like the

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<v Speaker 1>sword was because it was so meticulously made. And so

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<v Speaker 1>then you get this, uh, what's referred to as the

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle of kendo. We're not going to go away into

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<v Speaker 1>this in this episode, but that's basically what's referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the way of the sword, and that subsequently developed

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<v Speaker 1>around these weapons. It was a culture essentially based on

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<v Speaker 1>how amazing these weapons were, not just in combat, but

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<v Speaker 1>just as like artistic artifacts. So the katana itself, it

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<v Speaker 1>was invented a millennium ago. That's crazy to think about,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is basically if you've never seen one before,

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<v Speaker 1>it it's it's this famous curved sword that samurai wielded.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still today marveled for its aesthetic construction and skillful engineering.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we were just talking about this before we

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<v Speaker 1>went live on the mic that if you go to

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<v Speaker 1>most comic book conventions or like the local pop culture

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<v Speaker 1>convention for us as Dragon Con, on the floor, there

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<v Speaker 1>is usually a weapons dealer. Uh, and you can buy katanas. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They have lots of them. I mean they usually have

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<v Speaker 1>like swords that are like such and such person's sword

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<v Speaker 1>from such and such a movie, right, like Ari Norns

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<v Speaker 1>sword or Protos sword or something like that. Um, But

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<v Speaker 1>you can just buy katanas too, and they're like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple hundred bucks. I think. I have to say I

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<v Speaker 1>always enjoy looking at displays for that kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to see what what is the most ridunculous blade that

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<v Speaker 1>is that is available for purchase, you know, the like

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<v Speaker 1>the least realistic, um, you know, most ridiculously designed weapon, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing too, is like I'm not entirely

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<v Speaker 1>sure unless you're like a really big fan of the

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetics and ethos of samurai lifestyle, Uh, why you buy

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<v Speaker 1>a katana and like put it on the wall in

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<v Speaker 1>your living room. Although, like I've heard of people who

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<v Speaker 1>have those like actually using them in self defense, like

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody breaks into their house. But again, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think those swords are made for fighting. Like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're their metals probably gonna break because they're not made

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<v Speaker 1>in the fashion that these katanas were made in. Yeah, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to drive a couple of facts home

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<v Speaker 1>for here for everybody. So when we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>invention of the katana sword and the development of katana sword,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no joke katana that invented the blade. No, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a this is an evolution of a tool,

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<v Speaker 1>a tool that was that was that was created to

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<v Speaker 1>to fulfill a particular purpose, but then takes on additional

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<v Speaker 1>sort of cultural resonance as well. Yeah, it's kind of amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of a single artifact in our modern

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<v Speaker 1>culture that has this much reverence attached to it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that like it's a thing that took like I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go through this, but it took like something like

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen people to make over the course of like months,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh then you you you know, give it to

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<v Speaker 1>this one person to wield and they're buried with it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of personal attachment to it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>think of anything. I mean, like everything we have is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much disposable, right, like your car, your phone, all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. It's not like it's made to last for

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<v Speaker 1>your entire lifetime and be made of like the best

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<v Speaker 1>metals that are possibly available. Yeah, this was this was

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<v Speaker 1>a finely crafted item that was that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>built to last. Now, at the same time, I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to stress that there was nothing magical, like there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't anything truly magical about the Samurai s or these

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<v Speaker 1>were tools and Katona's plus two there's no magical bonus. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no that for horriple that that's even even rare. But

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<v Speaker 1>but as tools, they were items that were they were

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<v Speaker 1>made uh with with various physical restraints in place, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was certain compromises in play. So these were these

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<v Speaker 1>were blades that that could be dull, that could be

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<v Speaker 1>uh damaged or destroyed. Uh you know, generally the blade

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<v Speaker 1>itself would last longer than the hilt to hilt might

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<v Speaker 1>be replaced, etcetera. But it is as phenomenal as these were,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to fall into the trap of of

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking them as something um supernatural, you know, yeah, definitely, um.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that where that sort of supernatural idea

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<v Speaker 1>comes from is that historical adherence to the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>it being so important in particular lifestyle, so the sword

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<v Speaker 1>itself was actually considered a crucial part of a samuraized life.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, when they were born, a sword was brought

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<v Speaker 1>into the bed chamber during delivery, and when they died,

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<v Speaker 1>their sword was placed by their side. The sword was

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<v Speaker 1>basically said to be akin to their soul, so they

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<v Speaker 1>really thought of it in in that higher regard. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't think you would say today like my

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<v Speaker 1>cell phone is my soul, or my my my toyota

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<v Speaker 1>is my soul. Well, both of your kia soul. I

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<v Speaker 1>think one might not say those things, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like some people might have. I think that those statements

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<v Speaker 1>are true for some in it that's true. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of marketing around that. Just before I

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<v Speaker 1>came in here, I was reviewing one of our YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>videos and the commercial that played before it was for

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<v Speaker 1>Dodge Cars, and it was Vin Diesel driving a Dodge

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<v Speaker 1>car around and basically being like, if you drive one

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<v Speaker 1>of these, you will be as cool as my characters

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<v Speaker 1>and fast and the furious, uh, and you will belong

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<v Speaker 1>to my muscle family. Oh god, did I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>trailer for one of those films and he referred to

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<v Speaker 1>it as like the order of the muscle. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Or that's the commercial that's the commercial I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw. Yeah, it's like it's a sacred uh um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, society templary drop something close to twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on a challenger. Yeah, and you joined the family. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But the samurai you couldn't just buy your way into.

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<v Speaker 1>So they wielded two swords and together these were referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as the die show. Die means large and represented

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<v Speaker 1>the single edged katana, and it's small companion was the wakazashi,

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<v Speaker 1>and these were used in close combat, usually for beheading.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh usually like if you had an honored opponent and

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<v Speaker 1>you you had killed them already and you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take their head, or for disemboweling yourself during the act

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<v Speaker 1>of seppuku. Uh So sometimes they use ritual daggers instead,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was really what the wakazashi was for, and

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<v Speaker 1>another samurai would usually stand by to behead the victims

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<v Speaker 1>so their death would be quick. This is something that

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<v Speaker 1>Takashi mik Is fascinated within that Thirteen Assassins movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the sep the the ritualized honorable suicide, right

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<v Speaker 1>and Uh, yeah, I remember that being a major feature

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<v Speaker 1>in James Clavel's Showgun as well. Right, yeah, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a certain Western fascination, right. The katana itself was usually

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to thirty three inches long, while the wakazashi was

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen to twenty inches long. Now here's the thing. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go real deep into the metallurgy of this in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, but just to sort of briefly tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about this, the katana had to be forged so that

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<v Speaker 1>it had both a sharp edge and it would not

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<v Speaker 1>break during a duel. So if it was too hard,

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<v Speaker 1>the sword itself would be brittle, but if it was

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<v Speaker 1>too soft, the sword wouldn't take on the keen edge

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<v Speaker 1>that it had. So, for instance, like if you hit

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<v Speaker 1>something with it and a crack was introduced to the blade,

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<v Speaker 1>as would inevitably happen in battle when you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting other swords, armor, all kinds of things, it would

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<v Speaker 1>run all the way through the blade. But instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they constructed these, it just stopped at

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<v Speaker 1>the core and they could sort of repair the crack

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<v Speaker 1>around the core. Now, windshields today are actually made with

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<v Speaker 1>a similar principle. They've got these two layers to them,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the first layer cracks when like a rock

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<v Speaker 1>hits your your windshield on the highway, but then it's

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<v Speaker 1>stopped by the plastic interior. That's why you see that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of spider web. Yes, all right, we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break and we come back. We're gonna roll

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<v Speaker 1>through the metallurgical details of the Samurai sword. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we returned. So the katanas had to be made of

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<v Speaker 1>this really really well put together steel. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>purest of steels, and it was called tamahagana or jewel

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<v Speaker 1>steel by the Japanese. Now, the methodology for putting this

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<v Speaker 1>together was basically, you had to make the swords core

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<v Speaker 1>with the soft metal that I was speaking of earlier

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<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't break. Then you would cover it with harder metals.

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<v Speaker 1>But these were repeatedly folded and hammered over and over

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<v Speaker 1>again until they were literally millions of these layers laminated together.

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<v Speaker 1>Constructing a sword took three days and three nights. When

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<v Speaker 1>they say that, they're just referring to the metal part,

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<v Speaker 1>not not the other aspects, and we'll we'll walk through

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<v Speaker 1>that shortly. But smelters, basically to put together a sword.

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<v Speaker 1>They would shovel twenty five tons of iron bearing river

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<v Speaker 1>sand and charcoal into a rectangular clay furnace that was

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<v Speaker 1>called the tatara. And the charcoal was important in this

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<v Speaker 1>process because it fueled the furnace up to two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>five degrees fahrenheit. And this was important because it reduced

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<v Speaker 1>that iron ore down to steal and would eventually yield

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<v Speaker 1>that jewel steel that we were talking about. Right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember Princess Mononoke? Yes, of course, So I

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<v Speaker 1>had forgotten this, but apparently the plot of Princess Mononoke

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<v Speaker 1>is that the humans are cutting down the trees in

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<v Speaker 1>the forest. The whole reason why is because they're fueling

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<v Speaker 1>these furnaces specifically so they can make more weapons. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was like a major plot point of that film. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a while since I've seen that one all

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<v Speaker 1>the way through, because the the Boy is not yet

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the more dramatic Commuzaki films. Yeah, that's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more intense ones. So this steel, while

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<v Speaker 1>it's inside the oven, it was never allowed to reach

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<v Speaker 1>a molten state, and the reason why was so that

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<v Speaker 1>the carbon that was mixed into the steel would vary

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<v Speaker 1>throughout it somewhere between point five percent and one point

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of its property. These the higher the carbon,

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<v Speaker 1>the harder the steel, so they had to mix the

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<v Speaker 1>two types. You've got the high carbon for this hard

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<v Speaker 1>razor edge and you've got the low carbon for the

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<v Speaker 1>shock absorbent core. Now, on the third night, they would

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<v Speaker 1>actually break open the clay furnace and they'd expose this steel.

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<v Speaker 1>The pieces that broke apart the easiest helped them to

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<v Speaker 1>discern what the carbon content was. Right, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>like microscopes to sit there and look at the ore

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<v Speaker 1>and figure out, you know, how much carbon was in

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<v Speaker 1>each one. They literally had to do it by well,

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<v Speaker 1>not by hand, but they use tongs and stuff. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the swordsmith would take this and they would heat it

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<v Speaker 1>and hammer and fold it repeatedly over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why was this would combine the iron

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<v Speaker 1>and the carbon while drawing out any of the undissolved impurities.

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<v Speaker 1>And these referred to as as slag, which I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think slag is like a good like this sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a good like like dirty name to call somebody's slag.

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<v Speaker 1>Um If other elements besides iron and carbon remained though,

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<v Speaker 1>that this would weaken the metal, so you had to

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<v Speaker 1>get that slag out of there. The smiths would judge

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<v Speaker 1>how much carbon they had left over in this by

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<v Speaker 1>how much it yielded to them pounding on it over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again with their hammers. So uh. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways they if they if they found

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<v Speaker 1>that it was too low in carbon, they would actually

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<v Speaker 1>add it back into the mix by exposing the metal

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<v Speaker 1>to ash from rice straw. So it's really interesting, like

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<v Speaker 1>can imagined the like years and years of smith ng

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<v Speaker 1>and learning all of these little techniques, and they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>thinking in terms of chemistry. They weren't thinking like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the molecular bonds of carbon and iron are going

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<v Speaker 1>to produce such in such effect right there, just like

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<v Speaker 1>I know that if I hit it this many times,

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<v Speaker 1>it will get rid of this stuff, and if I

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<v Speaker 1>add rice straw, it'll put it back in. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the doubling of these layers actually increased every time the

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<v Speaker 1>metal was folded, right, and so you go too, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you multiply that, then you it four and so

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<v Speaker 1>on and so on until it results in a final

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<v Speaker 1>count of four million layers. Can you imagine these guys

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting here and hammering this stuff over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you start to see like the value of

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<v Speaker 1>these swords because they're just really being worked on in

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<v Speaker 1>this artisanal fashion for days. Now. Once the slag is removed,

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<v Speaker 1>the smith would heat the high carbon steel that was

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<v Speaker 1>left into a U shaped channel. Then they would hammer

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<v Speaker 1>the low carbon steel that was left, and they fit

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<v Speaker 1>that snugly into the channel, so the hard steel formed

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<v Speaker 1>that outer shell while the tough steel served the core.

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<v Speaker 1>The smith would then coat the sword in this thick

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<v Speaker 1>insulating mixture of clay and charcoal powder. And what they

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<v Speaker 1>would do is they would they would put different consistencies

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<v Speaker 1>of this clay around the sword, so for instance, the

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<v Speaker 1>front edge would be lightly coated while the rest would

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<v Speaker 1>be covered, and this would protect the blade during further

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<v Speaker 1>heating and give it that kind of signature wavy design

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<v Speaker 1>that you see in the metal, you know, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>the way it reflects now. After coding, the blade was

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<v Speaker 1>heated just below fIF hundred degrees fahrenheit and they forgot

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<v Speaker 1>any hotter. Well that was bad too, because it would

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<v Speaker 1>actually make it crack afterwards. So swordsmiths they were so

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with the quality of these artifacts that they were

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<v Speaker 1>worried about even their sweat touching the metal, so they

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<v Speaker 1>would not touch it with their hands. Like even obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't touch like a super hot burning sword coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of a fire. But but like at the very

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<v Speaker 1>stages in between, they didn't use their hands at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They made sure that I mean, they're standing over a

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<v Speaker 1>hot fire for days at a time, they're making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that no sweat is dropping down on this because they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want it to somehow interfere with this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>unknown chemical concoction they were working with. Okay, so then

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you get to this stage where the smith pulls this

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<v Speaker 1>out of the fire and plunges it into water for

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<v Speaker 1>this really the rapid cooling process that's called quenching. This

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<v Speaker 1>made me think of Highlander as well. It sounds very

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>cinematic moment. You see this in a lot of sword movies. Totally. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the distribution of carbon, there's a difference in

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<v Speaker 1>the degree and speed at which the steel along the

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:23.160
<v Speaker 1>blade contracts when it's cooled, and this causes it to bend,

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>which creates that distinctive curve of the katana. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>many as one in three of the swords that they're

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<v Speaker 1>constructing were lost during this stage. So we always see

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<v Speaker 1>this in movies. Right, they put it in the water, steam,

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>looks super cool. They pull it out, it's the best

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.879
<v Speaker 1>sword ever, right, ready to go. But like one in

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<v Speaker 1>three times they pull it out in the sword with

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<v Speaker 1>like crack and fall apart or something like that. After

0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 1>days of hammering this thing millions of times. So the

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 1>quenching actually allowed the clay coating on the cutting blade

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 1>to cool quickly. In this formed something that's called Martin site,

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.239
<v Speaker 1>which is a type of iron that has assumed a

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<v Speaker 1>fretic crystalline structure with enclosed carbon atoms. Now, these atoms

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>are what gives that material it's hard quality, so that

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>the keen edge that has its hard quality as the

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<v Speaker 1>Martin site. The slower cooling time of the core actually

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>created a chorus grain structure that was both soft and flexible.

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So this is why these curved swords. Actually they were

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<v Speaker 1>lowered horizontally into the water. They weren't just like you

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<v Speaker 1>see it sometimes in the films, like they hold it

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<v Speaker 1>by the hilt as if the hilt is already on it, right,

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and they'll just like dip it into the water, and

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 1>that's not how they did at all. They would lower

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>them down horizontally, so certain parts were cooled down first,

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>which would you know, obviously change the composition of the metal.

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.119
<v Speaker 1>All right, then you've got this blade. It's pretty cool.

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>It's made of this amazing composition of different densities of metal.

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Then you polish it for two weeks by grinding and

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>polishing it with these stones that are called water stones,

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and they were typically composed of a hard silicate bunch

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>of particles that were suspended in clay. The clay as

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you're you know, you're you're rubbing it on these blades,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>wears down over time and that reveals even more silicate particles.

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>So this essentially makes the stones polishing quality improve through

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 1>its life as the finer silicate particles come out and

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>they make they basically make it so that there's less

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 1>steel removed while you're polishing it. So the stones themselves,

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>like we're not even talking about the sword yet. These

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>little stones were worth more than a thousand dollars each

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and we're passed down through generations of families, so there's

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.399
<v Speaker 1>just you know, like all these aspects of the sword

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:49.360
<v Speaker 1>making really had this um, this high quality reverence to them. Now,

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 1>other methods of polishing the swords included fine stone powder

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 1>or powdered steel or something called forge cinder, and they

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 1>would also use wet stones like the way we're used

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 1>to seeing like medieval swords made or sharpened. But it

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>was preferred to polish the swords in the winter actually

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>instead of the summer. And the reason why was because

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>they thought summer was generally more wet and would subsequently

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>bring rust to the blade. Now, I don't know if

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 1>there's actually any chemical logic to that, you know, in

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>terms of like how they're making these swords, but so

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 1>you would find that most of these katanas would be

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>made in the wintertime. Yeah, it seems as you're developing

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>your your sword making technique, you know, over over generations,

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna have some uh some some essentially some

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.199
<v Speaker 1>science is gonna work its way in there. But then

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 1>you also, uh, there's the potential for just sort of

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>superstition to become wrapped up in it as well. Yeah.

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I imagine that there's probably like an entire culture of

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 1>superstitious mysticism that has maybe been lost to history. Actually right,

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.239
<v Speaker 1>because most of the research that I was looking at

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>for this was putting it in present day tense of

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>here's how we under dan chemistry, here's how these things

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>were made. They weren't looking at it from the perspective

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of the sword smiths. So the final stage is when

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 1>the metal workers add a decorated guard of iron or

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>other metals at the sword's hilt. This is, you know,

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>the guard for if your sword basically comes in contact

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>with another one. It's kind of a what's his name,

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Kylo Wren, he's got his, he's got his lightsaber guard, right,

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's this this little circular iron thing that goes

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>at the hilt end there, and the carpenters would fit

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the entire sword with a lacquered wooden scabbard and that

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>was decorated with adornments, and then the handle would be

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>fashioned out of gold, exotic leather and stones. The swordsmith

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>then would get the blade returned to him after the

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>carpenters did this work, and he would review his work.

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 1>And it actually took fifteen people nearly six months to

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>create a single sword. Now I don't imagine they were

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>working for six months straight. Obviously, like there were there's

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of an assembly line fashions, right, but um, it

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>just goes to show you, like how much went into

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the construction of these devices. So it's a finely crafted item.

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean in a way you'd be you'd be privileged

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to die, right, It makes me kind Yeah, I wouldn't

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>mind that. Uh. So they were worth hundreds of thousands

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 1>of dollars, especially nowadays, they're worth that much to modern

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>art collectors. Sometimes the smiths would put their names on

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>this metal, but others actually had like kind of a

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>policy where they were like, oh, I'm not gonna put

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 1>my name on there. Anybody who actually understands swords is

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>going to recognize just by looking at it that this

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is my work, that the quality here comes from my

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>particular style of smith ing. Now, all kinds of other

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>things were written on these swords. They would put poems

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>on them, sayings, the owner's names, anything you can think of.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 1>And there's a couple of things that should be noted

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>about the blades in terms of quality. First of all,

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the more strongly the whitish color of the hardened blade

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>is the more strongly that contrasts with the blue tinge

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of the rest of the blade, the better the metal

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's forging were considered, so you could kind of

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>look at it same way, sort of like a jeweler

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>looks at that stuff today, right. I I imagine they

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>had like something kind of like a loop maybe for

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>for a magnifying glass that they would look at this

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>metal with. There's also another thing that's a sign of

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>poor forging, and that was if there was a weak

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>glimmer that ran parallel to the hardened edge inside the

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>darker metal. So this is the kind of thing that like,

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you and I would have no idea of,

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>but like if you're next time you're at your old

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>convention there and there's somebody selling these katanas asked to

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>look and say, well, look that glimmer doesn't run right

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the hardened edge. I'm not going to pay for this. Sorry, Deadpool,

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. Yeah. What kind of katan is Deadpool? Wheel? Yeah?

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I I wish I had to remember him earlier. That's

0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>what I think. That's most of the katanas that decisi Well, actually,

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, um, this is this is not funny,

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But there was a recent incident in Phoenix at a

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 1>comic book convention in which a guy showed up with

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of guns, uh, in order to shoot police officers.

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>And luckily he was somebody saw him posting about this

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook ahead of time, and so the security was

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>able to arrest him. Since then, at least the conventions

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that I've attended, like I just set up and tabled

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>at one two weeks ago. Uh, there's police presence now

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>on the floor. And when you go through, the police

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>check all of the costplay weapons and they put like

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a little they sometimes they call it peace bonding, but

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like a little tag basically that goes around your

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>sword or your your toy gun or whatever that indicates

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>like this isn't real, You're not gonna hurt anybody. Yeah.

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>So Deadpools, all the Deadpools I saw, I had these

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>little tags. Yeah. So let everybody slastic sword. Yeah yeah. Now,

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>in terms of who made the swords where they were

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>essentially referred to as words smith's. But the most famous

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 1>of which of these was a guy named and I

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>hope I'm getting this right, Massi Moune I believe is

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>his name. Uh. And this is this is a name

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that's like sort of legendary in samurai fiction now too,

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like they were. They've I've actually heard like Massa moun

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a sword used before in comics and stuff like that,

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>is like this was forged by the greatest of sword

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>smith's and so you know it's it's a vorpable blade. Basically,

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>it's you mentioned the Highlander sword in the Highlander lore.

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>It is supposed to have been forged Massimne in five BC.

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh perfect, Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, there you go.

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So he just made all these swords that all these

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, essentially superheroes now wield. BC. Is the Highlander

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>date though, don't you don't let that get trapped in here.

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And that's the the actual well that's actually interesting because

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not actually known when this guy lives. Um. So

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>he reached this sort of legendary status in swords smith

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>in lore, but nobody can actually pin down the date

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>that he lived in and he was constructing these supposed

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 1>swords um. And you know, basically the way that they

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>would make them. The swordsmiths, like I said, this wasn't

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>just like a blacksmithing job. This was cultural and so

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>they would pray, they would fast, and they would even

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>purify themselves in cold water. First before they would start

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the smithic. I wonder, actually I didn't see this in

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the notes, but I wonder if the purification and cold

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>water had to do the sweat thing. Maybe like you

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>douse yourself in cold water, uh to sort of try

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to keep yourself from sweating for a certain amount of time.

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, And I wonder too about the

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Shinto connections. Here. You're you're making this, You're forging this

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>blade out of the elements of the natural world, and

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they're all these uh in every substance has its own

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of spiritual energy exactly. You're manipulating those energies to

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>create this, this holy weapon. And I would imagine that this, uh,

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>this sword in particular would have a lot of spiritual energy.

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>But then, so you get these things, you make it,

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.479
<v Speaker 1>it takes six months. How do you then test it? Right,

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not like you just hand over this untested blade

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to a samurai. Here you go bet your life on it. Yeah,

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>And there's real interesting stories, you know, sort of folk

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>tales about massa munai and other swords and the sort

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of battling over who had the best swords, and they

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>would do stuff like dip their sword into a river

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and like a fish would swim through it and get

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>cut in half. And then massa Munai swords didn't cut

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the fish in half because like it was a it

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't an evil sword. It had like peaceful intentions, and

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>so the fish would swim around it like stuff like that, right,

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>may maybe hold it up and you you speak across it,

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and they only the words, yeah, Well, we were gonna

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>get into ways to test a Samurai sword in the

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>traditional way of testing samur so at Samurai sword right

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>after this break. Alright, we're back. So so yeah, how

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>do you how do you test drive a katana? Well,

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>so I would imagine that you know, you have to

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 1>make sure that it cuts through flesh. You're not gonna

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>just like bang it against iron. Although some of the

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>things that I read were that they would essentially like

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to show the quality of it, they would see how

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>deep it would go into certain kinds of metals, usually brass.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I ran across a few of those

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>those tests as well, But those are kind of dangerous

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>because you run the risk of damaging the blade. And

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>ultimately it is an item designed uh and and homed

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to cut through human tissue. So they what they like,

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>go chase squirrels around. It's a little grizzlier than that. Yeah.

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>So I looked at a few different sources on this.

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>The first one I I ran across was one by

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>one Benjamin smith Lyman. This was from the Journal of

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the Franklin Institute in eight titled Metallurgical and Other Features

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>of Japanese Swords. Given the date on this, given the

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Western author, I was a little skeptical at first, but

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>this is what he said. The usual Japanese test of

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>a sword or on the human body on corpses of

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>beheaded convicts, or in the beheading, or by ruffians on

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>beggars and peaceable wayfares, or even a dog. Yeah. I

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.799
<v Speaker 1>read the same article and when I hit the dog

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>part weirdly, I was like, yeah, ruffians fine, but the dog.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Come on. There's actually this kind of infamous Lone Wolf

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and Cubs story about the abuse of a dog by

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>um people testing up bow bows. I think they're like

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure that their bows are gauged the

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>right way. So they tie a dog to like a maple,

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and it runs around in a circle and they have

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to try to shoot it, and it's it's awful, you know,

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's you know, supposed to be historically accurate. Well,

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I first started encountering this material about

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the testing of the blade, you know, as as a

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Westerner especially, you know, as one who comes across the

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Western accounts of the sort of thing pretty frequently, you know,

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I was naturally a little bit skeptical because it sounds

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>like a bit of classic Go Orientalism, right, doesn't it,

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>and an exotic and barbaric practice of the people from

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a distant And so I was I was inclined to think, well,

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's that's not quite what's going on. But the

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>act did exist, and the act was known as tamishi geary,

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>and that literally means to test the cutting ability of

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.359
<v Speaker 1>a blade, and in modern martial art jargon, the term

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.800
<v Speaker 1>often refers to a training method in which the users

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>slashes conventional mediums, you know, like a dumby or a

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>piece of ballistic ji. Yeah, or I guess one of

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>those it's like MythBusters. Yeah, I guess you could also

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>slash one of those, like karate dudes. You know, they

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>always have that same face, the big reperkarate dudes. I

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 1>never practiced karate. What are you talking about? These are like, Oh,

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you go to a dojo and they all have the

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>same weird face and they're made out of pink plastic

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>or something none never, so you do, but you're trying

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the sword out on this plastic. Well, I don't know

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>if you probably wouldn't want to actually slash one of

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>those dojo guys because they look expensive. They're mainly for punch. Yeah,

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>they probably cost worth than a dog. But you would

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>use this nowadays you would use a stand in for

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a human body, But at that at the time, yeah,

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>you would use an actual cadaver. And uh, I think

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's worth taking a step back and saying this

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>is quite practical, right, because you're crafting a precision weapon

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>with an express purpose in mind the slashing and dismemberment

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of human bodies. So why wouldn't you test these on

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the thing itself? Because you're a guy is going to

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 1>go into battle with this thing, and uh, and his

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 1>life is going to be on the line and he

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>needs to effectively in the lives or at least injure

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 1>other individuals in order to carry out his job. Yeah,

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>this I think to probably shows you how that culture

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was hierarchical and elitist in a way, and that like

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>the people who wielded these weapons literally thought that they

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 1>were better than other people, and so their lives were

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 1>subsequently worth more. But just the the the idea of

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>using a cadaver as a test, I mean, we can

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>look to examples in our own culture where things of

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 1>this nature carried out. Forensic scientists today will study the

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>effects of the decompos issue on actual corpses. The US

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.320
<v Speaker 1>automotive industry has even depended on the use of cadavers

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to make our cars safer, and the U S Military

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>has used cadavers to test everything from land mines and

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>sniper rifles to body armor. So it's it's not just this,

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, archaic curio from the past. Killing people is

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a serious business, and and in order to to effectively

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>carry out that business, uh, we've often turned to the

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>use of cadavers. Yeah. Luckily, we've I guess graduated morally

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to the point where we're not putting like death Row

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 1>inmates in cars and then driving them into walls. Right, yeah,

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>so so far so right. We haven't hit the running

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Man yet and his kazu hero Sakai points out in

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>his two thousand tin paper in which he u He

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 1>looks at skeletal remains that show signs of Tammi shigiri

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>uh He says that the uh Tokugawa Shogunate had several

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>execut Usian methods. So there was decapitation with the sword,

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>there was crucifixion that was burning, and there was also

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>sawing or a cubo, and then there was also tamishi

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>gary which was also like written into the uh into

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the laws of the day, and this was carried out

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 1>as part of chase execution. This was reserved for male

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>felons who are not protected by either samurai or a

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:27.240
<v Speaker 1>clergical status, and the prep practice survived till the beginning

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>of the Meiji period. In that's intense. Yeah, So the

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.919
<v Speaker 1>way this would take places, you had the already decapitated

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:39.839
<v Speaker 1>corpse and it was placed on elevated soil with its

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>limbs held extended for testing by another individual. Then the

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 1>performer of the tamishi geary would cut at fixed points

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>on the body, and sometimes you'd have two or more

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>bodies piled on elevated soil so as to mark how

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 1>many bodies could be cut through with a single blow

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>of the sword. Now, depending on the blade, the number

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 1>might range between two and even six bodies. Holy cow,

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine a scenario. I just watched that

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>dumb new Transformers movie an optimist Prime beheads like five

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>robots at the same time. But other than that, I

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine a scenario where you're gonna be cutting six

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.759
<v Speaker 1>people simultaneously. So I guess it's not as much about

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>the the practical battlefield application of this, so you wouldn't

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 1>necessarily be cutting through to samurai enemy samurai at once.

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's a testament to the blade's ability. It's like

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>bragging rights basically, because you could say, like this, you

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.399
<v Speaker 1>can put a little six on the blade that can

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>cut through six. That's exactly what happened. So the blade

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 1>sharpness rating was recorded in the sodomy, which is which

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>was inscribed on the tang of the blade. The tang

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>is the portion of the blade itself that's fixed in

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the hilt, so that's where most of the writing would be,

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>so you wouldn't actually see it if the hilt was attached. Yeah,

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>this is this made me think about underwear a lot,

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>because this is very much like the tag of the

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 1>underwear that is tucked away. Uh. So that you know,

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess if you're just walking around in your underwear,

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>nobody can see the tag, but it's there and uh

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's also kind of like the inspected by tag

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that you encounter with garments, right Meundy is in Mack

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Weldon should incorporate that into their underwear. So you've got

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.959
<v Speaker 1>like how many bodies this underwear can cut through? Tag? Yeah?

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>So this would be chiseled or engraved in gold, and

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it featured the name of the tester, the cutting positions

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of the bodies, and the number of bodies that it

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>could that could be cut simultaneously. Um. Yeah, So it's

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>very much like a bloody version of the inspected by

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>tag and a pair of underwear. It's very d and

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>d that like system categorization of the weapons. So, and

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the the other thing about this is there there is

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>evidence to support all of this. The aforementioned Sakai paper

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.280
<v Speaker 1>examines Edo era skeletal remains and he identified the unique

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>wounds associated with the Tamishi geary practice, and interestingly enough,

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 1>he also explains a couple of vertebra cuts. Uh, they

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 1>are there that possibly occurred during the extraction of the kidney. Uh.

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>He says that the Amata family quote who monopolized Tamishi

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>geary business during the eighteenth century, also made a medicine

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>called jim Ton from corpse kidneys. So, okay, so you

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>get your corpse, well presumably it gets its head cut

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 1>off in an execution, then you remove its kidney, and

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>then you put it out for this this cutting practice, right,

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and then afterwards I'm assuming they're not buried. They must

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 1>just like throw them to the wolves or something like.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>They they've treated this corpse so poorly at this point,

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I doubt they're gonna like put a headstone over it. Yeah.

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a testament to um to the the the

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>societal barriers that were in place at the time, because again,

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 1>this was not not everybody was going to end up

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>being used to test samurai swords. Only particular uh, male

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of felons, of of the correct class. Right, I'm thinking

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>about like if I had to be executed, if I

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 1>would want to be executed this way, and like I said,

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>well you would, don't. It's not so much the execution

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>this was this is just just what's done to your body.

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 1>So It's really not that different from say, you know,

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 1>you die, you die by natural causes than your body

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>is used to test landlines for the U. S. Military. Right, Yeah,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 1>And in a way you can think, hey, you've got

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>to be a part of the of the creation of

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>this fine blade, the rating of this blade exactly. Yeah,

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's maybe it's not a bad way. Couldn't have

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>been made without me and my meat. So everyone out

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>there might be wondering, well, is this is this legit?

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Could blades really cut through this much human meat? Well,

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, on one hand, we we have the sudden

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>may information on the blades themselves to to go by.

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>We have skeletal remains to to look to to know

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 1>this was actually a thing. Uh. The individuals who performed

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>these tests were masters licensed by the government, so it

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't be performed by just anyone and a career. Yeah. Yeah,

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and uh and it was this was also very much

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a value added thing. I was reading the Connoisseurs Book

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>of Japanese Swords by Cocaan Nakayama, and uh, and he

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>said the following, there is no doubt that that tamish

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>she may attracted customers and could raise the price of

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a sword in much the same way that a title

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 1>could even during a time of lasting peace and low

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>demands for swords, right because you're getting into the artistic

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>value of yeah yeah, but it's uh, it's not really

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the sort of thing we can really test for in

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 1>modern times with an old blade. Right now, various professional

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.760
<v Speaker 1>and when we shall we say less than professional swordsmen

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>have taken katanas to to pig carcasses and other carcasses

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 1>off and on YouTube, and the results are pretty convincing.

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 1>You must know about this that one of Joe and

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>my favorite things on the internet, I believe that's The

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 1>company is called Blue Steel, and they produce replicas of

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>various historical weapons, and their YouTube video yos are literally

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:06.760
<v Speaker 1>these it's these office looking guys with these weapons hacking

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.959
<v Speaker 1>away at like giant pieces of beef hanging from a book,

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>or like a like a full pig. They'll hang like

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a full pig corps and they'll come at it with

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 1>like a battle axe or something like that. And it

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>is the craziest thing like to to watch because they

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>play like this generic metal music over and and just

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 1>showing these guys like just going to town on these

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 1>animal corpses, but basically to be like, look at how

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 1>cool our axes are. Yeah, I think I may have

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>seen I've seen videos of this nature. I don't know

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 1>if it was Blue Steel because one of the groups

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that conducts these kind of tests is Association for Renaissance

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Martial Arts or ARMOR, and I saw I was looking

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 1>at a straight dope article, uh, from the last few

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 1>years where they spoke to Armor director John Clements, and

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 1>he states that there have been there have been plenty

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of such experiments, you know, animal carcasses to prove that,

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>to prove that, yeah, these these weapons were effective at

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>body hacking, and that even fairly blunt blades can get

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the job done as long as the weapon has quote

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a hard and well honed edge, hitting forcefully with the

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>correct geometry and energy. Yeah. So this actually gets into

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.800
<v Speaker 1>like a good point that I'll bring up shortly about

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>like the composition of the sword geometrically in terms of

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 1>how much cutting power it has. Yeah, and then it

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>also gets into the fact that you had to know

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>how to use it because even a finely tuned item

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>like this, it's not it's not a sentient dungeons and

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 1>dragon sword. It's not going to go out there and

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>hack for you, you have to be able to wield it.

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>But but one thing that to keep in mind, and

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 1>this is something that John Clements pointed out, is that, yes,

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the average samurai was skilled with their blade, but only

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:56.000
<v Speaker 1>five per cent of samurais were probably masters, which sounds appropriate,

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 1>like you wouldn't. I mean, mastery means you have a

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>degree of skill with an item or practice that is

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>beyond that of most practitioners. Yeah, I mean I would

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>think about it the same way, probably, jeez. And I

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to insult anybody who's in the military, but

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I imagine that, like there are certain uh people who

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 1>are really good shots, right, like who are like the

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>five percent top tier of being able to hit something,

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe usually snipers, right. Uh, So it's probably similar, I

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>would guess, so. Yeah. And and then of course in

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the modern military terms, of course, is important to realize

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.959
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to have specialists and then you also

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>you also need a lot of generalists and specialist in

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>other areas to carry out the overall goals of the combat. Yeah, exactly. Now,

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Clements makes some other solid points about the katana here

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that I want to share. He says that a curve

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>blade is mechanically superior to a straight one at delivering

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>edge blows to produce injury, and due to its hardness

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>a single curving edge, the katana is very good at

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 1>penetrating even hard materials with straight on strikes. So that's

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that's interesting is the curvature is

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 1>actually an effect of the engineering, but it's also really

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.240
<v Speaker 1>useful in terms of the application of the weapon. Yeah.

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 1>And he also points out that you could thrust. You

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.759
<v Speaker 1>can thrust with the katana, but it is really a

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 1>dedicated slicer, so you had to put it in Dungeons

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and Dragons terms. You can go for that piercing damage,

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>but you really want that slashing damage. And uh. And

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>he also had a note to hear about the durability

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of the katana versus the Western long sword. Yeah. I

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.319
<v Speaker 1>read a long article that I didn't include in our

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>notes that was comparing the two and which one was better.

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>That was that was from Arma, that was by climates.

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>He did one comparing the long sword to the katana

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 1>and another comparing the katana to the rapier, and he

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 1>said he makes a solid point. He says, no sword

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 1>is indestructible. They're all produced as perishable tools with a

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>certain expected working lifetime. And there's also evidence of both

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 1>the sword styles via a katana or long sword were

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>made inversions intended for armored combat and versions intended for

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>unarmored combat. Yeah. Yeah, I think that you can see

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that with the katana construction obviously, because there were certain

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.560
<v Speaker 1>unarmored reasons why they would fight with them. Yeah, And

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>this is in this last point is probably it might

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>be an overstatement of the obvious, but the Samurai sword

0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>was not the the only method of combat for the Samurai.

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 1>They depended on range weapons such as long bows and

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and and later the Japanese matchlock gun. Uh, you know,

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 1>they had poll weapons, so it was all part of

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a well, it was a singularly important weapon and certainly

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 1>had extreme cultural importance. It was not the only tool

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of battle, right. Yeah. My understanding actually from the research

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't include this in the notes, was that historically

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Samurai actually started off as archers, as as horse mounted archers,

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and they would specialize in that, and then I think

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.760
<v Speaker 1>when the engine hearing of the katana came into play,

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that's when they sort of graduated into that proficiency, and

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 1>then like you say, when a gunpowder and the engineering

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:12.879
<v Speaker 1>of matchlock. Probably not pistols. I don't know what those

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:14.800
<v Speaker 1>how big those guns were, but it was it was

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:18.479
<v Speaker 1>like a match It was like a long rifle. Yeah,

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>then they started using those. So before we cut out here,

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I have to include this one study that I found.

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a lot of fun. It is a nineteen

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 1>forty six study that was commissioned by the U. S. Army.

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where they got this sword from, but

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 1>essentially this general sent this group of scientists a katana

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that they had and they wanted it to have a

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 1>metallurgical examination. I think the results are pretty fascinating in

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>lieu of what we've talked about today in terms of

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>how they're put together. Essentially, they wanted to understand its

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>metallurgical properties and how the variations in the sword fabrication

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 1>from different eras produced different style blades. Now, this particular

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 1>blade that they looked at, I'm immediately because of the date,

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 1>thinking that this must have come from somebody in World

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 1>War two, right, like either somebody who's stationed in Southeast

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Asia or like, um, I'm reading it right now, and

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>there's like the one of the character's father like brings

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.640
<v Speaker 1>back a katana with him from like a Japanese soldier

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>he killed in combat or something like that. Like I'm

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking it's some scenario like that, but I'm sure it

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 1>could have totally been a peaceful method of acquiring this

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 1>sword too, you know. Yeah, I um, and I actually

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:40.080
<v Speaker 1>grew up with a Samurai sword in the house because

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>it was it was a family member on my dad's

0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:47.359
<v Speaker 1>side had had acquired the item after the war, and

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he bought it um in Japan,

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 1>if I'm remembering the story correctly, but I would. I

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.920
<v Speaker 1>would often like take it was an interesting weapon to

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 1>take out and hold as a child because you could,

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:01.879
<v Speaker 1>I was, I didn't wave it around, like I knew

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 1>that this was a very dangerous item because you could.

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how sharp it actually was in comparison

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 1>to like a well maintained weapon, but you could. You

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.240
<v Speaker 1>could look at it and you could imagine the damage

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that could be done with it, and even imagine the

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 1>damage that might have been done with it in the past. Right, Yeah,

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>So this sword that they looked at in particular my theory,

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and I'll see, let's see what you think afterwards is

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that this was probably produced to sell to people it

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 1>or whether they were tourists or Japanese soldiers who just

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted like a representation to bring with them into battle.

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:40.879
<v Speaker 1>This doesn't sound like it was something that was meant

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to be used in combat. They found that this sword

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>was made from extremely poor quality steel, and so this

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>gives you a hint. It had one point oh five

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>percent carbon, so earlier we said it was between point

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>five and one point five percent carbon was kind of

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.239
<v Speaker 1>your your limited range. So it sounds like this is

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>right in the middle and it's considered poor. So they

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>examined it both microscopically and macroscopically, and in addition, they

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 1>performed tension tests on the core. It found that the

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.400
<v Speaker 1>core of this sword had a tensile strength of a

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety thousand p s. I Now, the sword

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.839
<v Speaker 1>they examined it had a cutting angle of twenty two

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:23.720
<v Speaker 1>to forty degrees, which I'm imagining is far more curved

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.680
<v Speaker 1>than what we usually think of as a katana. And

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.720
<v Speaker 1>they actually say that this gave it less cutting power

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:33.760
<v Speaker 1>than the reference literature that was available in nineteen Because

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 1>traditional katanas were supposed to have a fourteen degree angle

0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:43.280
<v Speaker 1>for the cutting edge. They also found that the steel

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that was in this it had high sulfur and phosphorus content,

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 1>which was indicative of a poor melting practice. So we

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:52.239
<v Speaker 1>go back to what we talked about earlier. This is

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the slag. They didn't work the slag out of this

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 1>metal and it was still in there. The hardness values

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of it. It actually indicated to them that the sword

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>was air cooled instead of water cooled or quenched. Uh

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and this also contributed to its poor quality. So all

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.439
<v Speaker 1>these things, I mean, you can make a katana right

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:14.400
<v Speaker 1>like through mass production, but they're not necessarily going to

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 1>be these these artistic artifacts that we've been discussing today.

0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Now today, if you purchase the steel that that jewel Tomahagan,

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a steel I referred to earlier, it can cost fifty

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 1>times more than ordinary steel, even when we're talking about

0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:34.919
<v Speaker 1>like modern smith and cons Now I'm gonna throw this down.

0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 1>This is a little bit of like Marxist theory here.

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:41.040
<v Speaker 1>But the Samurai sword is this great example of Marx's

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 1>uh capitalist mode of production. That theory that is put

0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to work basically because you've got this object that's used

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>to be produced over a long period of time by experts,

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>but now it's produced on a mass scale, right, for

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 1>less cost and less quality. You can buy these katanas

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.839
<v Speaker 1>everywhere now. There's no way they're engineered to be as

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>precise as the originals were. Only these swordsmiths knew how

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to precisely build an object for the requirements that were necessary.

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 1>We can reproduce them using industrial techniques, but they don't

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>have that artistic beauty to them. I think in a

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.520
<v Speaker 1>previous episode you and I were talking about the idea

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 1>of like an artistic object having an aura, right, and

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 1>this seems to be sort of the same thing here

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 1>is that, Uh, these katanas that were really refined in

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the method that we talked about earlier had an aura

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>to them that the mass produced ones don't. Well, and

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>they're kind of it seems like it's kind of like

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the modern samurai sword. Samurai sword produced today is kind

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>of like a well bred dog, you know, like it

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>has it may look great, it it may it may

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can check off all the criteria, but

0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:52.719
<v Speaker 1>it has no purpose. It's not just as the you know,

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.439
<v Speaker 1>whatever the small legged dog is is not actually being

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.760
<v Speaker 1>used to hunt rats in a warehouse. The samurai sword,

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 1>if it is not being used as as a weapon

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of an instrument of death and dismemberment, then is it

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.319
<v Speaker 1>truly a Samurai sword anymore? Right, of course, it's kind

0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 1>of a complicated question when you consider all the cultural

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 1>value that's placed on the item. But still at the heart,

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.319
<v Speaker 1>you strip away all those layers of culture. You have

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 1>a tool, and that tool has a purpose and it

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>it does not fulfill that purpose anymore. Well, in the

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 1>last three hundred years, it seems that the Japanese themselves

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>understood this because they would recognize not all Japanese, but

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>obviously people who had a smithing background. They would recognize

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.920
<v Speaker 1>when European medal was used instead of Japanese steel, and

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:42.799
<v Speaker 1>they referred to that, and they would actually market and

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the marker would say Southern barbarians. Um. Now, the emperor

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>banned samurai from wearing their swords in public in eighteen

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, so that was essentially the beginning of the

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.839
<v Speaker 1>end of that warrior culture. So subsequently we're now here

0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 1>almost a hundred and a few years later. You know,

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:05.279
<v Speaker 1>katanas are basically trinkets that are bought at you know,

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 1>conventions or I don't know, I suppose you get them

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>at like certain thrift stores, but you know what I mean,

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.400
<v Speaker 1>like like oddity shops. Yeah, I mean, well, there was

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the whole scene in Pull Fiction, right and I take

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 1>place in essentially a pawn shop, and Bruce Willis's character

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 1>has kind of run awhile with the katana. At the

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 1>end of it, they have that. The TV show Atlanta

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.160
<v Speaker 1>has a scene like that as well, where they're in

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a pawn shop and guys like, guys like you should

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:35.760
<v Speaker 1>totally buy the sword. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's interesting

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it In many cases the swords kind of become trinkets

0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.920
<v Speaker 1>or in the higher levels, they become you know, very

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:47.520
<v Speaker 1>important collectible items, museum pieces. And still the the idea

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of the samurai continues to fascinate, it can you continues

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to cast this long shadow across Japanese culture, as you know,

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 1>as well as as various other fandoms, like the the

0:57:56.720 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>idea that the archetype of the samurai is um you know,

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's pretty powerful, definitely, and I imagine that there

0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 1>are people out there listening who know a lot more

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:08.400
<v Speaker 1>about this than we do, and I'd be curious to

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 1>hear from you, like did we did we miss anything?

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I hope not. We did a lot of research for

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 1>this episode, but is there something about these newer katanas

0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that we don't know uh in terms of like the

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:24.040
<v Speaker 1>smithing process and why they're they're subsequently worthless or made

0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:26.560
<v Speaker 1>by Southern barbarians. Well, and of course we we we

0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:28.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't have time to go into much in the way

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 1>of the martial art of using these swords, and there's

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a there's a tremendous amount of information out there on that.

0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 1>And if you are a connoisseur of such martial arts,

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 1>so we'd love to hear from you because perhaps that

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.280
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0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:44.160
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