1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Body does, but Joseph's gotten more. There's an old adage 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: that says, throughout history, the victors write the story, that 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: they essentially put forth the narrative from their perspective of 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: how things happened. And you know, it can be stated 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: that that comment, if you will, that adage applies primarily 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: to the rise and fall of civilizations and to wars. 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: But there was a smaller war, very smaller war that 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: took place back in the thirties in Middle America. And 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, even though the quote unquote good guys prevailed 10 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: in the end, history doesn't exactly reflect the truth today. 11 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: Looking back, we're going to discuss a period in time 12 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: ninety years ago. Today, we're going to talk about the 13 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: deaths of multiple police officers at the hands of two 14 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: of the most infamous cop killers in American history, Bonnie 15 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: and Clyde. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body 16 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: packs Dave mac my friend. When I hear the name Bienville, 17 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: it evokes memories of my hometown of New Orleans. 18 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: And how far is it from New Orleans. 19 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Well, Bienville itself, there's multiple streets, are multiple locations in 20 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: New Orleans, that have the name Beingville and it's a 21 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: uniquely French name. But the odd thing about it is 22 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Benville Parish, and Benville Parish 23 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: is nowhere near New Orleans. As a matter of fact, 24 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: it would probably take you, because there's not a really 25 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: good director out. It probably takes you about four hours 26 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: to get there from from New Orleans. It's the parish itself. 27 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: And remember, you know, in my home state, they don't 28 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: have counties that parishes, and Benville Parish actually is closer 29 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: to the Arkansas border than it is Gulf of Mexico, and. 30 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: That gives me a much better idea. 31 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: And it's not near the Mississippi River. As a matter 32 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: of fact, if you were to show up in Benville 33 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Parish day and ride through, and all of North Louisiana 34 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: has this kind of reputation, it doesn't remind most people 35 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: of what you commonly think of when you think about Louisiana, 36 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: which is swamps and Cajun culture and Creole culture. You 37 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: feel like you're in Texas, like an annex of Texas. 38 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: In North Louisiana along the Eye twenty corridor running through there, 39 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: there's horse farms everywhere and rolling hills. Now they're not 40 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: huge hills, but it's rolling hills. The soil is red clay. 41 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: It's not that dark, dark gumbos that they call it 42 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: gumbo soil that's down there, you know, that's associated with 43 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the decay of vegetation and that sort of thing, very swampy. 44 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: It's not like that. It looks like more like you're 45 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: heading to Texas, and you are, because this is not 46 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: too far from Shreeport. And you know that Shreeport on 47 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the E twenty corridor is kind of the gateway out 48 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: of Louisiana into Texas. You continue on down that road 49 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: out of Report headed westbound, and you'll be in Texas 50 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: pretty soon. So but you know, Benville Parish is where 51 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker actually met their end in 52 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: a halo of gunfire. And I think that most people 53 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: understand that. And you know the infamous you know, desert 54 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: colored sedan that they were in that was bullet ridden. 55 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: But I got it. I know I've been prattling on, 56 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: but I got to tell you what initially got me 57 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: interested in this, other than the fact that it took 58 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: place in Louisiana, And and I actually have seen that car. 59 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: It used to when I was little, That car that 60 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde died in used to be placed up 61 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: on the back of a flatbed truck and they take 62 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: it all over the South to fairs and people could 63 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: see it. It's kind of a gruesome kind of thing. 64 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: But you know, that's compares to the world that we 65 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: inhabit now. It's kind of tame when you begin to 66 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: think about it. 67 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: You know, you can still see the car. 68 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, John can't. 69 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Play at the Prim Valley Resort and casino. 70 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, isn't that something? And I was telling you 71 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: about my son Noah the other day up in I 72 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: guess Ripley's I think the crime usum or something up 73 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: in Pigeon Forge. You see Ted Bundy's car right there, 74 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: the Volkswagen and John Wayne Gacy's clown suits and all 75 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So it's rather macabre. But yeah, 76 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fascinating bit of certainly crime history, 77 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of woven its way through through 78 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: our tails. I think, you know when you think about it. 79 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: Well, when you mentioned the color of it, Joe, most 80 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: of us don't know because we've only seen black and 81 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 3: white photos unless you've seen it in person. 82 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: I haven't. 83 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: I've only seen it in pictures, and some of the 84 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: pictures that we've seen or that have been shown are 85 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: pretty graphic in terms of the bullets in the car 86 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: and the shots that were on Bonnie and Clyde. I 87 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: know there have been some over the years, not leaked 88 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: to the press, but published by newspapers all over the 89 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: country because this was at the era in the early 90 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: thirties where the Great Depression had set in and banks 91 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: were in disfavor with most Americans at the time. The 92 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: banks were blamed for a lot of the undoing of 93 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: our financial structure in this country. And so at first, 94 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: when you had these people that Bonnie and Clyde, Dillinger, 95 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: pretty Boy Floyd, you know, you had a whole litten. 96 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Baby face Nelson. 97 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: Yes, they all had nick they had nicknames that just 98 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: you know, there was they were celebrities in a way. 99 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: They were no not no, you're absolutely right. And Capone 100 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean copone. I mean, and I know 101 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: that that's a little bit different, but they're all kind 102 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: of swirling around that same toilet bowl. Yeah, yeah, you're 103 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: absolutely right. 104 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: And when this one on Capone was in Alcatraz by 105 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: Ben by the thirties, wasn't he? 106 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: I think it was. It was a little bit later 107 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: in the thirties or maybe the early forties. Oh wow, 108 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: wound up Percy wound up dying of syphilis. 109 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Why is that? 110 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: You and I go right there every time he died 111 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: of the things they warned us about in health class 112 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: in seventh or eighth grade. 113 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: There you go, all right? 114 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: Anyway, Bonnie and Clyde, they were very young. Oh yeah 115 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: when they started their life of crime. Bonnie had already 116 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: been married and actually was currently married when she met 117 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: Clyde Barrow. I think she was like nineteen, she was nineteen, yeah, yeah, 118 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: and she was already married and her husband was in jail, 119 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: and they hit it off. But Clyde ended up in 120 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: the clink very shortly after he met Bonnie. He ended 121 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: up in jail and she actually they met and just connected. 122 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: You You hear of stories of people talking about love 123 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: sight and things like that. Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde very 124 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: close to that. Again, she was already married to somebody else. 125 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: He's in prison. Clyde had been in and out of 126 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: jail by the way. To give you an idea of 127 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: how old they were. Clyde was twenty five, Bonnie was 128 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: twenty three when they were killed. 129 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not talking about a huge amount of tom. 130 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: No, very short window here. And it was Bonnie Parker 131 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: that smuggled the gun into Clyde in prison for him 132 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: to break out of jail. Yeah, that's they just connected 133 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 3: so fast and boom. She didn't do that for her husband, 134 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: but she did it for Clyde. 135 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: Did it for Clyde and he was and he's a 136 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: little bidial guy. She was tiny as well. I think 137 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: that people build these folks up so that they're you 138 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: know that you think that they're giants walking the earth, 139 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: and they're really not. And when you think about how 140 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: much devastation they reaked that it was roughly a two 141 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: year period. 142 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: Like twenty month. 143 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: There's a twenty one month span from the beginning to 144 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: the end of killing. 145 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: And by the way, they were. 146 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: Not good thieves, you know, they were not bank robbers 147 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: that made a lot of money. They'd never actually scored 148 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: a lot of money. I think their average take was 149 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: like eighty bucks. What they were was they were soulless, 150 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: merciless killers who killed more police officers than civilians. 151 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: Think about that. Yeah, they did. And I think that's 152 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: an extension. And I've heard this reported before. You know that, 153 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: you know Clyde. Apparently he wound up in prison as 154 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: a result. They hooked him up on a beef over 155 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: stolen chicken, and that's kind of his first entree into this. 156 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: No pun intended there. And then I think he failed 157 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: to return a rental car of all things. But here's 158 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: what happened when he got in side with the penitentiary 159 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: or the jail in Texas. He wound up getting raped 160 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: multiple times inside of that institution. And so and like 161 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: I said, he was a really tiny guy and he 162 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: probably had a really hard time defending himself. There was 163 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: a prison guard that is counted on his scorecard as 164 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: a result of a death, you know, And so that 165 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: extension of police officers if you crossed his path, Because 166 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: let's face it, heat this is kind of an interesting take, 167 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know if people have really thought about this. 168 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about serial killers, and we have 169 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: now for decades. Can you, Dave Mack, my friend, remember 170 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: any serial killer that targeted police officers? 171 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: Wow? 172 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: No, And he found a compatriot in Bonnie. Yeah, and 173 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: they were out to kill cops. I mean, and these 174 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: these are young, young fellows that they're killing, and many 175 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: of them had families. 176 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: And you know, you mentioned young Joe. Very quickly. 177 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: The tide turned on Bonnie and Clyde because of the 178 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: killing of a police officer on Easter Sunday who was 179 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: on his second day on the job. Up until then, 180 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: they were folk heroes, you know, they were robbing banks 181 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 3: that had, you know, destroyed people's lives. Killing police officers. 182 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what the I don't know what the 183 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: average take was on that in the nineteen thirties. I 184 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: don't know, but I do know this after there was, 185 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: like before the killing of the police officer on that 186 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: Easter Sunday, there was kind of a groundswell of support 187 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: entertainment value of watching the Shenanigans of Bonnie and Clyde 188 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: in the Barrow game. After that murder for no reason, 189 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: killing these two police officers, not in the shootout, not 190 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: in a shootout. That was when people, Okay, these are 191 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: evil people. We got to get them, you know, we 192 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: have to take them out now. And that's what led 193 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: to the beginning. That was the beginning of the end. 194 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: Granted they were being hunted, but. 195 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were, and they became you know, they used 196 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: to love to use the term mad dog. Yeah, I 197 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: mad dog Killer. And there was actually a guy who's 198 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: associated with the New York Underworld Underworld. I think it 199 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: was mad Dog McCall was his name. And as a 200 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think the movie The Cotton Club 201 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: back in the eighties, maybe eighty four, Nicholas Cage actually 202 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: played a character that's based on that guy and went 203 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: by that name, and so they used that term mad 204 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: and I think and it's an easy you know, when 205 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: you're a rural person and you've got a dog out 206 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: in the yard that's foaming at the mouth, that's baring 207 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: its teeth, and you know what's going on. It not 208 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: just indicates danger, but it also indicates a disease, a 209 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: level of lethality that you know that if you don't 210 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: put them down. And I'm gonna stop, Dave. I got 211 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: a question for you, brother, have you have you ever 212 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: done something that felt wrong when you were doing it 213 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: but it really wasn't wrong, but yet you had this 214 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: kind of feeling, you know, like and if somebody saw 215 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: me doing this or getting caught with this, I'd be 216 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: in trouble. Has that ever happened to you. I'm not 217 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: asking to reveal any deep dark secrets here, but. 218 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: Boy, okay, I'll go along with that and say yes. 219 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: And that's all I'm going to get out of you. 220 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Oh look, man, this is I tell you, this is bogus. Man. 221 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: I was really hoping we were going to open the 222 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: vault here on Dave mac No. 223 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: I can't you know what, Joe. 224 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: I look at now, a statue of limitations. You know, 225 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: you start thinking about I always said if I ever 226 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: ran for office, my slogan would be yes, I did 227 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: you know? 228 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: Just because well, I. 229 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Gotta tell you something real quick that I felt I 230 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: had that feeling about myself when and it has to 231 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: do with Bonnie and Claude. Yeah, I guess it was 232 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: probably nineteen eighty eight or eighty seven. I can't recall. 233 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: Went to a state corners convention in Louisiana, where I 234 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: was working at the time, and it's kind of that's 235 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, it's kind of an interesting event 236 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: to go to, particularly if you were not in that world, 237 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: if you were an observer and you could come in 238 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: because you can imagine all the stories that are being 239 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: told in this environment. I think that it might make 240 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: some people at crime con blush more than likely because 241 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: they you know you, and particularly during that time period, 242 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: all those years, all those years ago, there were you know, 243 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: so many things that were going on relative to serial 244 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: killings and just horrible crimes that a lot of people 245 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: had never heard of because you didn't have the vast 246 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: media coverage. But back to my big reveal here. When 247 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: I was there, I was with my mentor. It was 248 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: my first first time I'd ever been, and it was 249 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: my mentor that had trained me as a death investigator arguably, 250 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: in my opinion, probably the best forensic scientist and practitioner 251 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: I've ever been around in my life. That was Bill. 252 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: Bill introduced me to a group of people that were 253 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: Corners from North Louisiana. Now remember we're down in New 254 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Orleans and we're chatting and I met the corner from 255 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: being vill Perish and he tells Bill, I've got something 256 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: for you, but don't tell anybody. You know. Bill says, 257 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's like talking to me, and He's like, 258 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's got, but he says, I 259 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: can't tell anybody, but I'm telling you. And the next 260 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: thing I knew, Bill's like waving me over to the side, right, 261 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: and this is we went we were tired somewhere for drinks, 262 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: all right, and we're kind of hold up in a 263 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: lounge and he says, you're not going to believe what 264 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: I've got. I was like, okay, hit me, I said, 265 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: does this have something to do with the guy from Benvilpairs. 266 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, You're not gonna believe what I got. 267 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, what have you got? He says, 268 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: I've got a copy of the Corners records from Bonnie 269 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: and Clyde's examination post mortem. I was like what, because 270 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, back during that time, Dave, as you well know, 271 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: you've been in the you've been in media for quite 272 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: quite a while. You remember, back you didn't have access 273 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: to this kind of stuff. Now you can just go 274 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: online like you can. And if you go online now 275 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: you can actually see the Corner's jury report that's written 276 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: out in longhand it looks like it's written in pencil. 277 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: It's the same one that I was given all those 278 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: years now and now it's everywhere, you know, and it's 279 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: been transcribed because I remember sitting down day when I 280 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: got this thing, because day day, I'm sorry, Bill made 281 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: a copy of it for me when we got back, 282 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: and it's on legal, legal sized paper, so you had 283 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: to load legal paper into the copier. He made me 284 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: copies of this thing, and I actually had to take 285 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: a magnifying glass out and try to make out because 286 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: this is all written in longhand none of this stuff 287 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: was typed up. And all of a sudden, the world 288 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: kind of burst open for me because for the first 289 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: time I'd seen images, you know, in publications and all 290 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: these sorts of things. I'd heard the tales as a kid, 291 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: I'd seen the car. But when you have that document 292 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: in front of you that recorded this event and these 293 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: people that were there and they're actually relaying what they 294 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: saw in regards to bonding, Clyde was it was quite amazing. 295 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: It really was, because you had a clothing description, you know. 296 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: The only only point of reference I had, I don't 297 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: know about you was Faye Dunaway and Warren Baby, you know, 298 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: in that movie from back in the sixties, which is 299 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: horrible because I think that it, you know, it further 300 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: propagated this idea that these people were were heroes and 301 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: isn't that isn't that horrible? You know, kind of how 302 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: they painted this relative to these people. And we've had 303 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: this this evolution over a period of time, and I 304 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: hope that it continues. But you know, in addition to 305 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: for folks that have never been to that area up there, 306 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: it's it's beenvil perish and it's it's obviously not populated 307 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: by the most wealthy people in the world. They're salt 308 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: of the earth people that grind a life out. They 309 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: make their they make their living, you know, in aggra 310 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: based stuff or their pulp witters. And here's something fascinating 311 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: that that I discovered becau. I went out to the site, 312 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: the location of where the ambush took place, because you know, 313 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: Kim and I we were on the road and we 314 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: were like, hey, here's Gibbsland, because that's the address that 315 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: it carries. But it's actually about eight miles outside of Gibbsland, 316 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and so it's a two lane state highway and it's 317 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: got new growth pine forest on both sides of the 318 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: road that has obviously been harvested for pulpwood over the years. 319 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: And there is this stone monument that sits in this 320 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: kind of dusty red clay area just off the shoulder 321 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: of the road, and over the years it's been chipped away. 322 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: There's chunks of it that are missing because people show 323 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: up with a hammer or chisel and they'll take a 324 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: piece of it. And there's weird poetry that's been scribbled 325 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: or left in bottles that kind of occupies this space 326 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: around there. And then when you look across the road 327 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: from where this thing is, and this was kind of interesting, 328 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: there are these tiny, these tiny little wellheads that are 329 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: capped off that the field is just populated with and 330 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: those are natural gas wellheads, right, and you know, and 331 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: I find that there's a bit of irony I think 332 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: in that regarding their deaths. You know, they sought, they 333 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: sought this fantastic you know idea that yeah, we're gonna 334 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: murder cops, we're gonna try to pick up some money 335 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: along the way, and here they are, you know, they're 336 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: just absolutely riddled there in that spot, allegedly. And then 337 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: across the way is a field that is representative of 338 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: all the money in the world that you could ever 339 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: want if you had access to it. And so, you know, 340 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, Serve God or mammon, I guess, but 341 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, you look there and you see that and 342 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of a fascinating bit, but it's isolated, Dave. 343 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: This location is so far out there. And you know 344 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: when when Hamer, who is the retired UH Texas ranger. 345 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: Frank Hammer, and many Gault that were out. 346 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: There, yeah, in many gal and they they went out 347 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: there with a posse and it was it was a 348 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: posse and they they they sat and waited in that 349 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: brush line, and you know there's been reports. I don't know, Dave, 350 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: if you've ever gotten gotten covered in red bugs at 351 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: any point in time in your life, these guys had 352 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: red bugs on them. It's May, it's North Louisiana. It's hot, 353 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: it's humid, you're dehydrated, and you don't know when these 354 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: people are going to show up. Because they were going 355 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: actually to the home of the parent of one of 356 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: their compatriots. 357 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: It was actually Henry Methlin. It was just Body and 358 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 3: Clyde at this point, and the Frank Hamer and many 359 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: Gaal knew that they were probably going to be paying 360 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: a visit to Henry Metfin or his family just didn't 361 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: need a place to sleep because Bonnie had been hurt 362 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: in a car accident in June of nineteen thirty three. 363 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 3: Her face was burned, her arms were burned, her chest 364 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: was caved in. According to Blanche, she had injuries from 365 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: this accident that she never recovered from, and they had 366 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: to take time for her to get off the road 367 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: for a little while. And that's where they thought they'd 368 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: be heading to Henry Methven's dad. And that's why Frank 369 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: Hammer Hamer and many gal actually camped out and waited. 370 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: And it was not hours, it was days. 371 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: It was days. 372 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 3: And you mentioned the bugs, and that's the one thing 373 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: that was written about these guys, Hammer Galt and a 374 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: couple other guys. They're waiting, They're waiting in the bushes. 375 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: They're waiting for Bonnie and Clyde to come driving by. 376 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: So let me ask something. Do you know why they 377 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: were were waiting? Do you know why they were willing 378 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: to endure that heat and that humidity and red bugs 379 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: and skeeters and all manner of everything else that was 380 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: up in the brush there along along with them, maybe 381 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: copper heads and rattlesnakes and everything else that's in that area. 382 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: You're talking about spring they had had it up to hear. 383 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: I think what it comes down to is that Frank 384 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: Hamer and his posse wanted to be on one level 385 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: that reassurance that they were wearing white hats and that 386 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: they were going to do whatever they possibly could to 387 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: bring a resolution to this horror and quiet the public. 388 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: Because it's one thing for some newspaper and some far 389 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: flung place away from Beingville Parish, Louisiana, up in New 390 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: York or Chicago at the time, or maybe even La 391 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: to write a piece about how romantic this all is. 392 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: But when you're down on the ground and you're a 393 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: cop store owner or maybe working in a bank, you 394 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: live your life in terror. Hey, Dave, you remember a 395 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when we did an episode of 396 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: body Bags on the Corner System. Yeah, do you recall that? 397 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: I remember studying after the fact. That was the most 398 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: enlighten I learned so much on that episode, and a 399 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: number of people have actually sent in emails about how 400 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: much we all learned. It was like be any class. 401 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: But I just remember when you and I fail, I went, Okay, 402 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: I got to figure this out. 403 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a weird world that you 404 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: enter into when you walk to the door with Joseph 405 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I'm sorry for I'm sorry for any trauma. 406 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: It was awesome. I had no idea, Joe. 407 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it was one of those things where I 408 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: had no you know, one of the things you don't 409 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: know what you don't know. 410 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 2: I had no idea what I didn't know. 411 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: Well, the corner system in Louisiana is interesting. It's interesting everywhere, 412 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: but you know, unlike other states, in Louisiana there are 413 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: a couple others, but specifically I'm speaking to Louisiana. In 414 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: order to run for the office of corner there, you 415 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: have to be a physician, and that has always been 416 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: the case. It's not that's not something new under the sun. 417 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: And you know, when there was a uh an exam 418 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: that had to be conducted on the remain means of 419 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde, it was it fell to the corner 420 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: of beingvill parish at that particular time to you know, 421 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: to facilitate that, had to make it happen, and it was, 422 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was it was done. Doctor Wade was 423 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: actually the corner there. And you know, go hey, let's 424 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: the old country. 425 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: Doctor when you have like a case that is this big, 426 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: that has national, you know, international coverage of this these people, 427 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: is there not a way to bring in somebody at 428 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: the fact, you know, bigger, more educated. I mean, I 429 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 3: know that the law requires that it is handled like 430 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: right here, but kind of like when JFK was killed 431 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: thirty years later, they took his body out of Dallas 432 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 3: and got it to Washington, d C. Granted he was 433 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 3: the president, but these people are famous criminals. They've broken 434 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: the law in several states. Was there any thought that 435 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: we need to bring somebody else in to do the 436 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: autopsy or was he just get it done and get 437 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: them out. 438 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on for a minute, because I got to 439 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: tell you, relative to JFK, they did not take take him, 440 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: certainly to the finest that was available. They went to 441 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel. As far as I'm concerned with. 442 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: With Bonnie and Clyde, however it was, it was the 443 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: office of Corner and being Vialparish, you know, reflecting back, 444 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: I told you about the about the you know, the 445 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: report that that I'd been given, you know, all all 446 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: these many years ago that I wanted to talk about 447 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: and this sort of thing, and The thing is is handwritten. 448 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: Which I could not understand when you told me you 449 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: got a magnifying glass. 450 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: I looked at it. I looked at this ball you're 451 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: going over, and I'm like, how did you read that? 452 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's something to see 453 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: and look. Anybody can see it. I recommend you know. 454 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: All you got to do is is you know, uh 455 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: is google search? Yeah, Google search office. You know, the 456 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: the Corners Report of the bodies of Bonnie and Clyde Parker, 457 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: and you'll find it. It's there and it's really it's 458 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: very difficult to kind of decipher. But you know, looking 459 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: back in time and when I saw this thing, I 460 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: thought that they did a pretty good job. But you 461 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: know what's really interesting about body in Clyde's case, Davis, 462 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: they didn't actually do an autopsy. I don't know if 463 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: you know that. No, they did not actually do an autopsy. 464 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: You had what was impaneled back then. It's called a 465 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: corner's jury, and it was a collection of men. Corner's 466 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: juries are a thing and it's almost like, I don't 467 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: know how to describe it other than kind of like 468 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: a grand jury where you're trying to where a grand 469 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: jury you're trying to decide if there is enough information 470 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: to indict somebody, if you're going to true bill or 471 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: no true bill. A case, right, a criminal case with 472 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: a corner's jury. Their purpose was to be there for 473 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: the corner to present evidence to them that how they 474 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: were going to rule the death. Okay, what are they 475 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: going to call this? Are they going to call this homicide? Suicide? 476 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, what are they going to call this? And obviously, 477 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, we sit here and we think about, uh 478 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: well it was pretty obvious, you know how Bonnie died there. Yes, 479 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: it is. This is a homicide. Yeah, absolutely, I mean 480 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: there's nothing there that wasn't accidental. It's not suicide. Uh 481 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, yeah yeah. And it's just like just like 482 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: a you know, uh, an execution in a state penitentiary 483 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: is a homicide. Okay, you can't call it anything else. 484 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: Period. 485 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: And so they impaneled a jury, a corner jury, and 486 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: it's not that they had trouble determinant. But it goes 487 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: back to an interesting statement you made just a moment ago. 488 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: This is going to be the official record going forward, 489 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever and ever. Amen. And the 490 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: fascinating thing is that when they're looking at this, you've 491 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: got all of these men that are impaneled on this 492 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: jury with a corner being the leader of it, and 493 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: they're there to verify because who else is going to verify? 494 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: Remember the world that they're living in. They're living in 495 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: a world Dave that news. I mean, it doesn't move 496 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: move at the speed that say, the Pony Express moved at. 497 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: But you know, you're still working with telegraphs, they're using telephone. 498 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: I think there may have been a rudimentary facts by 499 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: that by that point in time, I think they called 500 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: it something else. But you still it moves slowly. You 501 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: had to have somebody there that would that would verify 502 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: that these people were in fact dead, and it's better 503 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: than just having one person to verify the death. You 504 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: got a whole group of people. And not only do 505 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: you have a group, all these guys are signing off 506 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: on this, and you can see the list of their signatures. 507 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: You know when you look down, when you look down 508 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: the page on this thing, they're all there and their 509 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: names are affixed to this documents. As odd as it is, 510 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: there were looking at it physically looking at it. Right now, 511 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: there's five people that have signed onto this, in addition 512 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: to doctor Wade who was there, and you know, they 513 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: go into, you know, great detail about describing the bodies 514 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and the injuries. You know, Bonnie, Bonnie actually received the 515 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: worst of it. Not that what Clyde had received wasn't 516 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: wasn't bad, but there's a story that goes on out 517 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: there relative to Bonnie's body. And just imagine this. She 518 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: was hit so many times and I'll go into kind 519 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: of the nastiness of these wounds in just a second, 520 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: but just kind of let me set this up. She 521 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: was shot so many times that they actually had a 522 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: very difficult time embalming her body. So just imagine we 523 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: have to think about the way the embalming process works. 524 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: It's a profusion of embalming fluid, you know, in the 525 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: major vessels of the body. The bodies on a table, 526 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of tilted from the head down. They've got 527 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: these trow cars that they go into the body with 528 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: and they start their little pump. In days gone past, 529 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: the mortician would use a foot pump, you know, to 530 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: infuse the body with the embalming fluid. Well, can you 531 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: imagine that, And they still have to do this today. 532 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: With multiple gunshot one cases, but they had she was 533 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: springing leaks and let that set in just for a second. 534 00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: So you've got the vessels that carry the blood obviously 535 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: are now being perfused with embalming fluid. And the way 536 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: the thing works is through gravity. You're as as the 537 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: body is being profused with the embalming fluid. Traditionally you 538 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: can see the line coming out of the body and 539 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: the blood is being pushed out of the body. It 540 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: is being replaced by embalming fluid. Well, it wasn't getting 541 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: to that point. The holes were there and the body 542 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: had to be plugged in order to take on the 543 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: embalming fluid. 544 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: Joe, I was. 545 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 3: Looking at the list of these injuries and it was 546 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: listed out on Bonnie. Okay, on Bonnie. I actually had 547 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 3: to look at this several times because you mentioned probably 548 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 3: written in pencil. Yeah, the penmanship is weak. But shot 549 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 3: in the left breast going into chest. This was a 550 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 3: description of a bullet wound shot four inches below the ear. 551 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: Another shot entering above the right knee, two shots front leg, 552 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: two shots right leg, gunshot wound around edge of hair 553 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 3: one and a half inches above the left ear. Another 554 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 3: threw the mouth on the left side, exiting at top 555 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 3: of jaw, another at middle just below left jaw, another 556 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 3: above clavical left side, going into the neck, another entering 557 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: chest two inches below the inner side of the left shoulder. 558 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: Two shots about two inches below the left shoulder, fracturing 559 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: the bone. Another wound on the elbow of the left arm, 560 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 3: another entering left chest above the heart, breaking ribs. Six 561 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 3: shots entering three inches on back region left side. Five 562 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 3: pellet wounds about the middle of the left side. Cuts 563 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: from glass on the ankle, cut on top of left foot, 564 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,479 Speaker 3: apparently from glass cut on center of right thigh, cut 565 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 3: six inches in length, about three and a half inches 566 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 3: center of right leg. Eight metal fragments centering across the 567 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 3: front of face. 568 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: There you go, wow, So it's yeah, it's. 569 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: Now, I see, I get that. By the way, that's 570 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 2: not the complete list. 571 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: No, No, it goes on, and you know, Clydes is 572 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: almost as robust. But you know, they wanted obviously, the 573 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: purpose here was to make sure that they were I 574 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: used the term neutralized just a month ago, and that's 575 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: a very clinical term. But they wanted. They were mad 576 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: dogs and they knew the importance of putting them down. 577 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: First off, I think probably and this is me projecting 578 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: because I you know, I wouldn't presume to get inside 579 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: their mind, but you know, I think that any right 580 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 1: there's right thinking person would probably conclude that not only 581 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: did they need to neutralize this threat, but they needed 582 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: to send a message. They need to send a message 583 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: to those individuals that thought that they could go out 584 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: and randomly do whatever they wanted to do, which includes 585 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: murdering police officers. And of course they brought this to 586 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: an end. And right quick, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 587 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks.