1 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:51,961 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold 2 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,361 Speaker 1: case murders in an effort to raise public awareness invite 3 00:00:55,401 --> 00:00:58,761 Speaker 1: witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially 4 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,961 Speaker 1: be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights 5 00:01:03,001 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: from family and community members, their statements should not be 6 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,961 Speaker 1: considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts 7 00:01:10,041 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: inherent in cold cases. We remind listeners that everyone has 8 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 9 00:01:17,961 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Nothing in the podcast is intended to state or imply 10 00:01:21,041 --> 00:01:23,601 Speaker 1: that anyone who has not been convicted of a crime 11 00:01:24,121 --> 00:01:27,121 Speaker 1: is guilty of any wrongdoing. Thanks for listening. 12 00:01:28,481 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: On July sixth, nineteen ninety seven, in Calcashu Parish, Louisiana, 13 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,001 Speaker 2: Marty Lebeuf, Stacy Reeves, and Nicole Guildry were all shot 14 00:01:37,041 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: execution style in the head. Their bodies were left in 15 00:01:40,601 --> 00:01:46,041 Speaker 2: the cooler at kk's Corner. These at kk's Corner were shocking, 16 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,161 Speaker 2: and soon people were talking about another death, one that 17 00:01:50,201 --> 00:01:53,561 Speaker 2: some people in the community thought could be linked. 18 00:01:53,321 --> 00:01:54,841 Speaker 3: To the kk's Corner massacre. 19 00:01:56,041 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: On Saturday May seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, not even three 20 00:01:59,921 --> 00:02:03,961 Speaker 2: weeks before the triple homicide at kk's corner. Kevin Abel 21 00:02:04,161 --> 00:02:07,721 Speaker 2: was fatally shot in the head at his home. Police 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,841 Speaker 2: ruled Kevin's death a suicide, but Stacy Reeves, who had 23 00:02:10,841 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: been dating Kevin, believed that he had been murdered and 24 00:02:14,641 --> 00:02:17,321 Speaker 2: that his murder could be tied to law enforcement and 25 00:02:17,401 --> 00:02:22,161 Speaker 2: possibly to allege drug deals at Kk's corner. Stacy Reeves 26 00:02:22,281 --> 00:02:25,161 Speaker 2: arrived at that crime scene at Kevin's with her young 27 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,641 Speaker 2: twin daughters only minutes after. 28 00:02:27,441 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: Police showed up there. 29 00:02:29,121 --> 00:02:31,681 Speaker 2: Stacey told police she and Kevin were going on a 30 00:02:31,761 --> 00:02:34,001 Speaker 2: date that night and that she had been planning to 31 00:02:34,041 --> 00:02:37,201 Speaker 2: pick him up with her girls. And she said that 32 00:02:37,321 --> 00:02:40,361 Speaker 2: Kevin owed a lot of money to drug dealers, who 33 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,881 Speaker 2: she said had been taking his truck as collateral. We 34 00:02:44,001 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: talked to one of Stacy's friends, the former sheriff's deputy. 35 00:02:47,881 --> 00:02:51,401 Speaker 2: We have her full name, but because of concerns about 36 00:02:51,401 --> 00:02:53,721 Speaker 2: her safety, she has asked that we call her by 37 00:02:53,721 --> 00:02:55,041 Speaker 2: her nickname Missy. 38 00:02:56,001 --> 00:02:58,361 Speaker 4: She was coming to kick him up with her twins, 39 00:02:58,361 --> 00:03:01,161 Speaker 4: who are I think two at the time, they were 40 00:03:01,161 --> 00:03:04,121 Speaker 4: really young. For she insisted that she would never have 41 00:03:04,201 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 4: permitted suicide, knowing that she had the Beady. 42 00:03:06,441 --> 00:03:11,601 Speaker 2: Who's with him. What really happened to Kevin Abel? Did 43 00:03:11,681 --> 00:03:14,921 Speaker 2: he kill himself or could there have been foul play involved? 44 00:03:15,481 --> 00:03:17,801 Speaker 2: Who were the drug dealers who he owed money to? 45 00:03:18,561 --> 00:03:21,441 Speaker 2: And did Kevin's death have anything to do with the 46 00:03:21,481 --> 00:03:25,841 Speaker 2: kk's Corner killings. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five 47 00:03:25,921 --> 00:03:29,201 Speaker 2: years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've 48 00:03:29,281 --> 00:03:31,921 Speaker 2: learned that there's no such thing as a small town 49 00:03:31,921 --> 00:03:35,801 Speaker 2: where murder never happens. I've received hundreds of messages from 50 00:03:35,841 --> 00:03:38,321 Speaker 2: people all around the country asking for help with an 51 00:03:38,401 --> 00:03:42,361 Speaker 2: unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, and their communities. 52 00:03:43,161 --> 00:03:45,201 Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my 53 00:03:45,281 --> 00:03:47,721 Speaker 2: team to look into, you can reach out to us 54 00:03:47,761 --> 00:03:50,481 Speaker 2: at our Helen Gone Murder Line at six seven eight 55 00:03:50,921 --> 00:03:54,681 Speaker 2: seven four four six one four five. That's six seven 56 00:03:54,721 --> 00:03:58,961 Speaker 2: eight seven four four six one four five, or you 57 00:03:59,001 --> 00:04:02,401 Speaker 2: can send us a message on Instagram at Helen gonepod. 58 00:04:03,161 --> 00:04:48,161 Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. We got a copy 59 00:04:48,161 --> 00:04:52,401 Speaker 2: of the incident report and some civil depositions, and between 60 00:04:52,521 --> 00:04:55,561 Speaker 2: those and some interviews we've done, we have found out 61 00:04:55,601 --> 00:04:59,961 Speaker 2: a lot of information about the night that Kevin Abel died. Now, 62 00:04:59,961 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: before I go down this road, I just want to 63 00:05:02,121 --> 00:05:05,121 Speaker 2: say that so far, none of the evidence that we 64 00:05:05,161 --> 00:05:08,841 Speaker 2: have seen has indicated that Kevin Abel's death was anything 65 00:05:08,921 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: other than a suicide. But a lot of people, including 66 00:05:12,801 --> 00:05:15,921 Speaker 2: Stacy Reeves, believe that it was, and we want. 67 00:05:15,801 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: To understand why. 68 00:05:17,681 --> 00:05:20,321 Speaker 2: On the day he died, Kevin had a friend at 69 00:05:20,321 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: his house, a guy named Chad Reeves. Now Chad was 70 00:05:24,161 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: a distant cousin of Stacy's, but according to what Chad 71 00:05:27,321 --> 00:05:31,161 Speaker 2: told police, they were not close. Chad wasn't even sure 72 00:05:31,201 --> 00:05:35,681 Speaker 2: exactly how they were related. When police asked him, Chad 73 00:05:35,801 --> 00:05:38,721 Speaker 2: said that he had reconnected with Kevin the night before 74 00:05:38,881 --> 00:05:41,561 Speaker 2: at a bar called Cheers. He had known Kevin when 75 00:05:41,601 --> 00:05:44,481 Speaker 2: they were younger, but prior to that, he told investigators, 76 00:05:44,481 --> 00:05:47,921 Speaker 2: they had not spoken in eight years. Lake Charles has 77 00:05:47,921 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: a population of almost eighty thousand people, but I see 78 00:05:50,921 --> 00:05:53,721 Speaker 2: a lot of the same names keep popping up, so 79 00:05:53,961 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: parts of it seemed to have a distinctly small town vibe. 80 00:05:58,641 --> 00:06:01,801 Speaker 2: Chad lived with his mother in Fairview Estates, the same 81 00:06:01,881 --> 00:06:05,081 Speaker 2: trailer park as Kevin. He told police that he went 82 00:06:05,121 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: over to Kevin's trailer that afternoon because Kevin was feeling down. 83 00:06:09,561 --> 00:06:12,841 Speaker 2: Chad said they were hanging out there watching TV and talking. 84 00:06:13,761 --> 00:06:17,281 Speaker 2: In a later deposition, Chad said that Kevin looked like 85 00:06:17,361 --> 00:06:20,601 Speaker 2: shit that day. He also said Kevin had been smoking 86 00:06:20,681 --> 00:06:25,041 Speaker 2: crack for days, which had turned his lips black. While 87 00:06:25,081 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: they were hanging out, Kevin got a phone call from someone. 88 00:06:28,761 --> 00:06:32,201 Speaker 2: Chad said that quote whoever it was must have had 89 00:06:32,281 --> 00:06:35,521 Speaker 2: Kevin's car, because Kevin got very mad with them over 90 00:06:35,561 --> 00:06:37,721 Speaker 2: the phone and asked them when they were going to 91 00:06:37,761 --> 00:06:38,641 Speaker 2: bring his car back. 92 00:06:39,041 --> 00:06:39,521 Speaker 3: End quote. 93 00:06:40,241 --> 00:06:44,001 Speaker 2: Then Chad said after Kevin hung up, Kevin had asked 94 00:06:44,041 --> 00:06:47,361 Speaker 2: him how to spell the word quit. Chad said he 95 00:06:47,441 --> 00:06:50,801 Speaker 2: spelled it out for him qu i t. After that, 96 00:06:51,281 --> 00:06:53,841 Speaker 2: he said that a woman called Kevin, and Kevin told 97 00:06:53,841 --> 00:06:55,881 Speaker 2: the woman that he was depressed and to come pick 98 00:06:55,921 --> 00:06:59,361 Speaker 2: him up. I don't know for sure, but it seems 99 00:06:59,561 --> 00:07:02,961 Speaker 2: likely that that woman was Stacy Reeves, since Stacy did 100 00:07:03,001 --> 00:07:04,961 Speaker 2: show up there and she said that they were planning 101 00:07:04,961 --> 00:07:08,441 Speaker 2: on having a date that night. After that, Kevin went 102 00:07:08,481 --> 00:07:10,521 Speaker 2: to the back of the trailer toward his bedroom. 103 00:07:11,441 --> 00:07:13,081 Speaker 3: Time went by, the movie. 104 00:07:12,841 --> 00:07:15,121 Speaker 2: Ended, and Chad said that he yelled to Kevin that 105 00:07:15,201 --> 00:07:17,081 Speaker 2: he was going back to his mother's trailer to get 106 00:07:17,121 --> 00:07:21,001 Speaker 2: something to eat. Chad was in the front doorway, putting 107 00:07:21,001 --> 00:07:23,761 Speaker 2: his shoes on, getting ready to leave. When he heard 108 00:07:23,761 --> 00:07:27,881 Speaker 2: the gunshot, Chad ran into the bedroom. He said that 109 00:07:27,921 --> 00:07:30,321 Speaker 2: he saw Kevin lying there and grabbed him to try 110 00:07:30,361 --> 00:07:32,521 Speaker 2: to check on him, but he said he could see 111 00:07:32,521 --> 00:07:33,961 Speaker 2: that he was in a pool of blood and that 112 00:07:34,001 --> 00:07:38,161 Speaker 2: he was clearly dead. Chad said he ran back to 113 00:07:38,201 --> 00:07:41,761 Speaker 2: his mother's house and called nine one one. Police came 114 00:07:41,801 --> 00:07:44,041 Speaker 2: to the scene, and they found Kevin in his bedroom 115 00:07:44,361 --> 00:07:47,321 Speaker 2: with his head facing north and a fatal gunshot wound 116 00:07:47,401 --> 00:07:50,961 Speaker 2: to his head. There was a three fifty seven magnum 117 00:07:50,961 --> 00:07:54,601 Speaker 2: revolver lying about twelve inches from Kevin's left foot. There 118 00:07:54,601 --> 00:07:56,481 Speaker 2: was a bullet hole in the wall and a TV 119 00:07:56,761 --> 00:08:01,081 Speaker 2: on top of Kevin's chest. Police believed that Kevin fired 120 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:04,241 Speaker 2: the fatal shot and then he fell back onto the 121 00:08:04,281 --> 00:08:06,961 Speaker 2: TV stand. That's when they say he crashed to the 122 00:08:07,001 --> 00:08:10,161 Speaker 2: ground and the television kind of toppled on top of him. 123 00:08:10,601 --> 00:08:14,441 Speaker 2: Police found cocaine residue in a chrome pipe and gunpowder 124 00:08:14,481 --> 00:08:18,041 Speaker 2: residue on Kevin's hands that police said indicated that the 125 00:08:18,081 --> 00:08:21,681 Speaker 2: gun had been fired by him recently. They also found 126 00:08:21,721 --> 00:08:26,041 Speaker 2: a suicide note nearby. We got a copy of that note. 127 00:08:26,121 --> 00:08:29,001 Speaker 2: It read in part quote, this is something I did 128 00:08:29,081 --> 00:08:31,921 Speaker 2: because I couldn't face the real world being a crackhead. 129 00:08:32,241 --> 00:08:33,641 Speaker 3: End quote. 130 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,601 Speaker 2: In the note, Kevin apologized to people in his life 131 00:08:36,641 --> 00:08:39,361 Speaker 2: for not being able to get off drugs. He mentioned 132 00:08:39,401 --> 00:08:42,481 Speaker 2: former girlfriends and friends and people he felt that he 133 00:08:42,521 --> 00:08:46,401 Speaker 2: had let down. At the end, it says, PS, if 134 00:08:46,401 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: I have a funeral, play the dance he was talking about, 135 00:08:50,241 --> 00:08:54,521 Speaker 2: the Garth Brooks country song. Police found that Kevin had 136 00:08:54,521 --> 00:08:57,201 Speaker 2: a heavy crack addiction and then he owed money to 137 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,961 Speaker 2: two people, Irving and David Freeman. They're actually cousins, but 138 00:09:02,081 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: people around town refer to them as the Freeman brothers. 139 00:09:05,841 --> 00:09:08,801 Speaker 2: Irving told police that he sold crack to Kevin on 140 00:09:08,841 --> 00:09:11,721 Speaker 2: a regular basis. He said that he would take Kevin's 141 00:09:11,721 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: truck as collateral to make sure that Kevin paid back 142 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:18,281 Speaker 2: the money that he owed. Irving told police that Kevin 143 00:09:18,361 --> 00:09:21,361 Speaker 2: was pretty much his best customer. He said that Kevin 144 00:09:21,401 --> 00:09:24,761 Speaker 2: would chain smoke rocks of crack like other people smoked cigarettes. 145 00:09:25,081 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: He said that Kevin regularly owed him large amounts of money, 146 00:09:28,561 --> 00:09:31,881 Speaker 2: from around fifteen to seventeen hundred dollars at a time 147 00:09:32,761 --> 00:09:36,801 Speaker 2: while Irving had the truck. David Irving's cousin told police 148 00:09:36,841 --> 00:09:39,441 Speaker 2: that he would sometimes borrow the truck as well. He 149 00:09:39,441 --> 00:09:43,121 Speaker 2: would just borrow it from Irving without getting Kevin's permission. 150 00:09:44,201 --> 00:09:49,161 Speaker 2: Sometimes Stacy Reeves would pay Kevin's drug debts. Once she 151 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,481 Speaker 2: paid David five hundred dollars. Later, David told police about 152 00:09:53,481 --> 00:09:56,961 Speaker 2: a strange incident that happened with Kevin's truck. He said 153 00:09:56,961 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: that a police officer showed up at his house once 154 00:09:59,961 --> 00:10:02,641 Speaker 2: while he was borrowing Kevin's truck, and that the police 155 00:10:02,721 --> 00:10:06,281 Speaker 2: officer demanded that he give it back. Police talked to 156 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,401 Speaker 2: this officer, the one who showed up at David's house. 157 00:10:08,761 --> 00:10:12,481 Speaker 2: It was a Lake Charles police officer. So this officer 158 00:10:12,521 --> 00:10:15,561 Speaker 2: said he was friends with Jennifer Doyle, a woman who 159 00:10:15,601 --> 00:10:19,081 Speaker 2: was also dating Kevin at the time. The officer said 160 00:10:19,161 --> 00:10:22,001 Speaker 2: sometime in the beginning of April in nineteen ninety seven, 161 00:10:22,521 --> 00:10:25,361 Speaker 2: he went to Jennifer Doyle's house and that Jennifer got 162 00:10:25,361 --> 00:10:29,521 Speaker 2: a phone call from David. David was asking Jennifer for money. 163 00:10:30,081 --> 00:10:30,401 Speaker 3: Money. 164 00:10:30,401 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: He said that Kevin owed him, so the officer got 165 00:10:33,121 --> 00:10:36,081 Speaker 2: Jennifer to hand him the phone. When he identified himself 166 00:10:36,121 --> 00:10:39,601 Speaker 2: to David as a police officer, David hung up. The 167 00:10:39,681 --> 00:10:41,881 Speaker 2: officer said that when he was at work the next 168 00:10:41,961 --> 00:10:44,561 Speaker 2: day that Jennifer called him and asked if he would 169 00:10:44,561 --> 00:10:47,841 Speaker 2: go with her to help get Kevin's truck back. So 170 00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:51,521 Speaker 2: the officer said he went with Jennifer to David's place 171 00:10:51,561 --> 00:10:54,321 Speaker 2: and knocked on David's door. A woman answered the door 172 00:10:54,401 --> 00:10:57,441 Speaker 2: and said David wasn't there, So the officer said they 173 00:10:57,441 --> 00:10:59,441 Speaker 2: were there to get Kevin's truck. The woman said the 174 00:10:59,481 --> 00:11:02,241 Speaker 2: keys were in it, so the officer said he got 175 00:11:02,321 --> 00:11:04,521 Speaker 2: into Jennifer's vehicle and drove it back to the police 176 00:11:04,561 --> 00:11:09,121 Speaker 2: station while Jennifer drove Kevin's truck. The officer said Jennifer 177 00:11:09,201 --> 00:11:11,801 Speaker 2: drove away in Kevin's truck and that he wasn't sure 178 00:11:11,841 --> 00:11:15,281 Speaker 2: what happened to the vehicle after that. To me, this 179 00:11:15,361 --> 00:11:18,521 Speaker 2: illustrates a couple of things about how things work in 180 00:11:18,601 --> 00:11:21,641 Speaker 2: Lake Charles. The fact that a lot of these drug dealers, 181 00:11:21,721 --> 00:11:25,561 Speaker 2: police and people connected to drug addicts were all intimately 182 00:11:25,561 --> 00:11:30,161 Speaker 2: connected number one, and number two, that sometimes police would 183 00:11:30,241 --> 00:11:34,241 Speaker 2: do things to settle disputes that weren't necessarily officially reported. 184 00:11:34,801 --> 00:11:38,121 Speaker 2: Because to my knowledge, there was never a stolen vehicle 185 00:11:38,161 --> 00:11:41,401 Speaker 2: report made on this truck. This all apparently happened off 186 00:11:41,441 --> 00:11:44,241 Speaker 2: the books, and the officer didn't tell anyone about this 187 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,681 Speaker 2: truck incident until much. 188 00:11:45,601 --> 00:11:47,601 Speaker 3: Later after Kevin Abel's death. 189 00:11:48,521 --> 00:11:53,041 Speaker 2: But as we said last week, Stacey believed that Kevin 190 00:11:53,321 --> 00:12:01,921 Speaker 2: had been murdered. Stacy Reeves was convinced that Kevin Abel 191 00:12:02,041 --> 00:12:06,561 Speaker 2: had not committed suicide. Her friend Missy, talked to us 192 00:12:06,681 --> 00:12:10,801 Speaker 2: about what Stacy told her about Kevin's death. Missy said 193 00:12:11,001 --> 00:12:14,521 Speaker 2: that Stacy didn't think the suicide note was legitimate. 194 00:12:15,321 --> 00:12:22,281 Speaker 4: Stacey contacted me when Kevin quote unquote committed suicide. She 195 00:12:22,481 --> 00:12:25,201 Speaker 4: told me he didn't commit suicide. It was all a 196 00:12:25,241 --> 00:12:29,321 Speaker 4: lie because he hated country music and in the suicide 197 00:12:29,401 --> 00:12:32,601 Speaker 4: note it was referenced to country music. I think one 198 00:12:32,641 --> 00:12:36,241 Speaker 4: of Gurth books was songs. And also the note was 199 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,841 Speaker 4: written in the opposite hand that she did not write it, 200 00:12:39,881 --> 00:12:44,201 Speaker 4: so she was emotionally just strawed or not. 201 00:12:45,361 --> 00:12:48,481 Speaker 2: In the weeks before her death, Stacy was talking to 202 00:12:48,521 --> 00:12:51,841 Speaker 2: people about how she didn't think Kevin committed suicide, and 203 00:12:51,961 --> 00:12:55,041 Speaker 2: also about drug deals that she said were going down 204 00:12:55,201 --> 00:12:59,241 Speaker 2: in Kk's corner. She said that Kevin owed people drug money, 205 00:12:59,801 --> 00:13:04,321 Speaker 2: a lot of money. Stacy seemed to believe that Kevin's 206 00:13:04,321 --> 00:13:07,401 Speaker 2: death might have been murdered and that it might have 207 00:13:07,481 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: something to do with drug dealers who were operating inside 208 00:13:10,761 --> 00:13:15,601 Speaker 2: kk's corner, and Stacy had been talking to law enforcement 209 00:13:15,681 --> 00:13:20,281 Speaker 2: about her suspicions. According to police documents, Stacy's friend, Sheila, 210 00:13:20,361 --> 00:13:23,721 Speaker 2: told police that Stacy had recently met with two officers 211 00:13:23,921 --> 00:13:26,241 Speaker 2: and talked to him about her fear that her involvement 212 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,521 Speaker 2: in Kevin's drug dealing could put her in danger. She 213 00:13:29,641 --> 00:13:32,401 Speaker 2: was talking to them about drug deals going on inside 214 00:13:32,481 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: kk's corner. She told them she wanted to work for 215 00:13:35,841 --> 00:13:41,081 Speaker 2: the Sheriff's department. One was an officer named Jerome Lestraps. 216 00:13:41,561 --> 00:13:46,001 Speaker 2: The other was an Officer Sweeney, but police said they 217 00:13:46,001 --> 00:13:49,841 Speaker 2: were unable to locate anyone with that name, so we've 218 00:13:49,881 --> 00:13:55,201 Speaker 2: started looking for officer Sweeney. After the kk's murders, Detective 219 00:13:55,241 --> 00:13:58,041 Speaker 2: Deluge was looking into these rumors that Stacy could have 220 00:13:58,041 --> 00:14:01,721 Speaker 2: been talking to people in law enforcement. Detective Deluge knew 221 00:14:01,761 --> 00:14:04,961 Speaker 2: that Jerome less Straps worked narcotics for the calcashu Perras 222 00:14:05,001 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department, so he contacted the chief of detectives there, 223 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,841 Speaker 2: John Fryar. He asked if Stacy was a confidential informant 224 00:14:12,921 --> 00:14:17,361 Speaker 2: for anyone. John said, to his knowledge, Stacy never provided 225 00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:20,801 Speaker 2: intel to any of his officers. But later, according to 226 00:14:20,801 --> 00:14:24,881 Speaker 2: court documents, Jeromeless Straps said that he had talked to 227 00:14:24,881 --> 00:14:29,001 Speaker 2: Stacy about working undercover with the Sheriff's office. He said 228 00:14:29,481 --> 00:14:33,241 Speaker 2: when she told him about people dealing drugs and her 229 00:14:33,241 --> 00:14:36,401 Speaker 2: suspicion that his death was not a homicide, jerome Le 230 00:14:36,521 --> 00:14:40,241 Speaker 2: Strap said he advised Stacy that because she had two 231 00:14:40,281 --> 00:14:43,441 Speaker 2: young daughters, this type of work might be dangerous for her. 232 00:14:43,961 --> 00:14:46,001 Speaker 2: He said that he told her if she had information 233 00:14:46,001 --> 00:14:48,481 Speaker 2: about Kevin's death, that she should get in touch with 234 00:14:48,481 --> 00:14:52,241 Speaker 2: a detective in charge of that investigation. We found out 235 00:14:52,321 --> 00:14:56,961 Speaker 2: something else, potentially more evidence that the men who came 236 00:14:57,001 --> 00:14:59,441 Speaker 2: to the store that night, the ones who Virginia saw 237 00:14:59,481 --> 00:15:04,121 Speaker 2: in the black car, may have been targeting Stacy, because 238 00:15:04,161 --> 00:15:07,161 Speaker 2: there are things about Stacy's murder that were different from 239 00:15:07,161 --> 00:15:10,601 Speaker 2: Marty and Nicole. Now, these differences might not mean anything. 240 00:15:11,081 --> 00:15:14,521 Speaker 2: On the other hand, they could be important clues. Marty 241 00:15:14,561 --> 00:15:17,281 Speaker 2: and Nicole were both shot in the back of the head. 242 00:15:17,521 --> 00:15:21,041 Speaker 2: Stacy was shot in the face. She was also shot 243 00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:23,281 Speaker 2: once in the back of the head, but that was 244 00:15:23,321 --> 00:15:27,121 Speaker 2: only after her head was turned around from the first shot, 245 00:15:27,281 --> 00:15:30,721 Speaker 2: so Stacy was the only one who faced her killer. 246 00:15:31,681 --> 00:15:35,161 Speaker 2: We also learned more details about Virginia Johnson, the witness. 247 00:15:35,881 --> 00:15:38,921 Speaker 2: She testified that the men she saw that night at 248 00:15:39,041 --> 00:15:43,681 Speaker 2: Kk's were there for Stacy. Remember, Virginia went to care 249 00:15:44,121 --> 00:15:46,921 Speaker 2: Corner on July fifth. She arrived there at about eleven 250 00:15:46,961 --> 00:15:49,521 Speaker 2: forty five pm to get gas. She went in and 251 00:15:49,521 --> 00:15:52,841 Speaker 2: bought ten dollars worth of gas from Marty. At that time, 252 00:15:52,921 --> 00:15:55,281 Speaker 2: she said, Stacy was mopping up and closing the store. 253 00:15:55,721 --> 00:15:58,761 Speaker 2: Nicole was sitting on the counter. While Virginia was in 254 00:15:58,841 --> 00:16:01,881 Speaker 2: the store. A black car pulled up to the side entrance. 255 00:16:02,561 --> 00:16:05,241 Speaker 2: One man came into the store. He walked straight back 256 00:16:05,281 --> 00:16:08,601 Speaker 2: toward the beer coolers. The other one bumped into Virginia 257 00:16:08,641 --> 00:16:11,321 Speaker 2: as she was walking out to her car. That's the 258 00:16:11,361 --> 00:16:14,681 Speaker 2: guy who she described for the first composite drawing, and 259 00:16:14,841 --> 00:16:19,081 Speaker 2: later under hypnosis she remembered more details about the second man. 260 00:16:19,681 --> 00:16:23,841 Speaker 2: She later identified Tomas Cisco in a lineup. So we 261 00:16:23,961 --> 00:16:26,881 Speaker 2: know all that, But we got a transcript of the 262 00:16:26,881 --> 00:16:31,281 Speaker 2: testimony that Virginia gave at Tomasisko's murder trial. She testified 263 00:16:31,321 --> 00:16:34,401 Speaker 2: that as she was walking out of Kk's, she heard 264 00:16:34,601 --> 00:16:37,241 Speaker 2: Marty and Nicole talking about the guys that came in. 265 00:16:37,841 --> 00:16:41,721 Speaker 2: She said she heard Marty say, well, they're here for her, 266 00:16:42,601 --> 00:16:46,441 Speaker 2: meaning that the two two men were there for Stacy. 267 00:16:46,481 --> 00:16:50,001 Speaker 2: This would presumably mean that the two men were people 268 00:16:50,001 --> 00:16:53,761 Speaker 2: who the employees knew and felt comfortable enough letting into 269 00:16:53,761 --> 00:16:57,761 Speaker 2: the store after closing. So why were these two men 270 00:16:57,841 --> 00:17:03,321 Speaker 2: there for Stacy? These murders happened within a small window 271 00:17:03,361 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 2: of time. Marty Lebuff drove a green and tan nineteen 272 00:17:07,161 --> 00:17:11,041 Speaker 2: eighty seven Ford Bronco. Stacy drove a brown nineteen eighty 273 00:17:11,041 --> 00:17:14,321 Speaker 2: six Buick Skylark. Both of those vehicles were parked at 274 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:18,201 Speaker 2: kk's corner all night. Virginia said the car she saw 275 00:17:18,241 --> 00:17:20,321 Speaker 2: pull up to Kk's while she was paying for gas 276 00:17:20,761 --> 00:17:24,761 Speaker 2: was a sporty, black two door late eighties vehicle similar 277 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: to a Chevrolet Spectrum. She said the truck that she 278 00:17:27,961 --> 00:17:31,761 Speaker 2: saw was a red mid sized pickup truck. After leaving 279 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,961 Speaker 2: kk's corner, Virginia picked her boyfriend up at work. They 280 00:17:36,001 --> 00:17:39,801 Speaker 2: both told investigators they drove back past kk's corner. The 281 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: boyfriend remembers they were having a conversation about kk's. He 282 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: said he glanced down at the clock in his truck. 283 00:17:46,721 --> 00:17:49,481 Speaker 2: It said twelve forty two, but it was ten minutes fast, 284 00:17:49,521 --> 00:17:52,561 Speaker 2: so it was actually twelve thirty two at that time. 285 00:17:52,641 --> 00:17:55,841 Speaker 2: At twelve thirty two am, they saw that black car 286 00:17:56,001 --> 00:17:59,161 Speaker 2: still there and a red truck with a passenger door open. 287 00:18:00,161 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: The store was closed, but the lights inside the store 288 00:18:03,121 --> 00:18:06,321 Speaker 2: were still on, which Virginia told police she believed was odd. 289 00:18:06,921 --> 00:18:09,441 Speaker 2: She made a comment to her boyfriend that maybe someone 290 00:18:09,441 --> 00:18:12,841 Speaker 2: could be robbing the store, but her boyfriend said, all right, 291 00:18:12,881 --> 00:18:16,481 Speaker 2: girl whatever. From what she told police, it sounded like 292 00:18:16,561 --> 00:18:20,481 Speaker 2: he wasn't taking her too seriously, and so they went home. 293 00:18:21,521 --> 00:18:24,561 Speaker 2: Someone else saw the truck too, because a few minutes 294 00:18:24,641 --> 00:18:28,281 Speaker 2: before that, another woman who later talked to police, said 295 00:18:28,361 --> 00:18:31,001 Speaker 2: she drove through the kk's parking lot at around twelve 296 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,441 Speaker 2: fifteen am. She also noticed the red truck and the 297 00:18:34,481 --> 00:18:36,201 Speaker 2: black car in the parking lot. 298 00:18:36,681 --> 00:18:37,761 Speaker 3: There were a lot. 299 00:18:37,601 --> 00:18:40,401 Speaker 2: Of people going into and out of this parking lot 300 00:18:40,401 --> 00:18:43,681 Speaker 2: that night. This was a busy store in a busy area. 301 00:18:44,681 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: Deputy Terry Gillery, who found the bodies in the cooler 302 00:18:47,881 --> 00:18:50,241 Speaker 2: the next morning, was also on duty the night of 303 00:18:50,321 --> 00:18:50,921 Speaker 2: July fifth. 304 00:18:51,481 --> 00:18:53,441 Speaker 3: He said that he had driven through the parking lot. 305 00:18:53,481 --> 00:18:56,401 Speaker 2: At around eleven PM, he said he saw Stacy behind 306 00:18:56,401 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: the counter and waved at her. Later, at around one 307 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,321 Speaker 2: thirty am, the man who folded the morning papers was 308 00:19:03,321 --> 00:19:06,521 Speaker 2: in the parking lot. By that time, the black car 309 00:19:06,601 --> 00:19:10,161 Speaker 2: and the truck were gone. At two am, Terry Gillery 310 00:19:10,241 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: passed by again he saw the guy who folded the 311 00:19:12,921 --> 00:19:15,681 Speaker 2: morning papers in the parking lot. He noticed that Stacy 312 00:19:15,721 --> 00:19:19,721 Speaker 2: and Marty's vehicles were still parked there. So whatever happened 313 00:19:19,721 --> 00:19:23,281 Speaker 2: at Kk's Corner, it started after Virginia left the store 314 00:19:23,641 --> 00:19:27,161 Speaker 2: and after Marty's dad called at midnight to tell him 315 00:19:27,281 --> 00:19:30,001 Speaker 2: he had to plate a barbecue left out for him. 316 00:19:30,241 --> 00:19:34,721 Speaker 2: Whatever happened happened fast, because at twelve oh six am, Sherwood, 317 00:19:34,761 --> 00:19:36,921 Speaker 2: carpenter at the assistant manager, called the store. 318 00:19:37,521 --> 00:19:39,241 Speaker 3: He said the phone kept ringing. 319 00:19:40,001 --> 00:19:42,521 Speaker 2: Sherwood says that when no one answered, he figured the 320 00:19:42,521 --> 00:19:47,801 Speaker 2: employees had already gone home. Stacey, Marty and Nicole were 321 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,601 Speaker 2: almost certainly dead in the cooler by then. 322 00:19:51,881 --> 00:19:54,321 Speaker 3: So what happened during that crucial few minutes. 323 00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: We talked to Kenny Klin, the owner of Kk's Corner, 324 00:19:58,281 --> 00:19:59,441 Speaker 2: who the initials are named for. 325 00:20:00,481 --> 00:20:02,361 Speaker 5: He said, you know, I don't want you to touch anything. 326 00:20:02,561 --> 00:20:04,161 Speaker 3: I just want you to tell me what you see. 327 00:20:04,561 --> 00:20:07,361 Speaker 5: So then when I walked in the store, eventually, when 328 00:20:07,361 --> 00:20:10,081 Speaker 5: I got to the back room where I saw that 329 00:20:10,161 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: Stacey and Marty did their shift report, which is the 330 00:20:12,641 --> 00:20:14,761 Speaker 5: paperwork that you do when the shift is over. As 331 00:20:14,761 --> 00:20:17,081 Speaker 5: soon as I saw that they had done their shift report, 332 00:20:17,961 --> 00:20:21,361 Speaker 5: I told Lucky Lush I said the store was closed. 333 00:20:21,481 --> 00:20:22,721 Speaker 5: And he looked at me and he said, what do 334 00:20:22,761 --> 00:20:26,121 Speaker 5: you mean. I said, because Stacey and Marty sometimes they 335 00:20:26,201 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 5: might cheat a little bit. They were experienced a poison. 336 00:20:28,681 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 5: They knew I would allow it. They may have, you know, 337 00:20:31,601 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 5: let you say the store, the store closed at midnight. 338 00:20:34,281 --> 00:20:36,321 Speaker 5: You know, maybe they might do their paperwork at ten 339 00:20:36,321 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 5: minutes to midnight, maybe five minutes, just assuming not another 340 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,321 Speaker 5: customer will come in. And if another customer would come 341 00:20:41,361 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 5: in and spend maybe three or four dollars, said they 342 00:20:42,881 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 5: would just let the next based cash. You're ringing that up, 343 00:20:45,201 --> 00:20:46,561 Speaker 5: just as they could get out of there in a 344 00:20:46,601 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 5: timely manner. So, had they done exactly what they're supposed 345 00:20:49,881 --> 00:20:52,521 Speaker 5: to do, which is closed at midnight, do their paperwork, 346 00:20:53,321 --> 00:20:55,281 Speaker 5: you don't do the paperwork to You're almost certain that 347 00:20:55,361 --> 00:20:58,641 Speaker 5: the stores closed. So when I saw that, I said, well, 348 00:20:58,761 --> 00:21:00,561 Speaker 5: you know they had to let somebody in. 349 00:21:01,441 --> 00:21:04,441 Speaker 2: One of the registers, register too, was closed out at 350 00:21:04,441 --> 00:21:08,441 Speaker 2: eleven PM. The other register, register one was closed out 351 00:21:08,441 --> 00:21:12,521 Speaker 2: at midnight after closing the store, and the Z tape 352 00:21:12,601 --> 00:21:15,641 Speaker 2: was still attached to the register. So that was strange, 353 00:21:15,681 --> 00:21:18,321 Speaker 2: Kenny said, because what was supposed to happen was that 354 00:21:18,361 --> 00:21:21,001 Speaker 2: the employees would detach the Z tape from the register 355 00:21:21,601 --> 00:21:23,721 Speaker 2: and then they would go into the office to finish 356 00:21:23,801 --> 00:21:24,801 Speaker 2: completing their report. 357 00:21:25,441 --> 00:21:26,281 Speaker 3: They would check to. 358 00:21:26,281 --> 00:21:29,361 Speaker 2: See whether they came up short, whether everything was reconciled, 359 00:21:29,481 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: whether the math worked, how. 360 00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:32,761 Speaker 3: Much money was made, et cetera. 361 00:21:33,441 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: Then the employee would finish up in the office, bring 362 00:21:36,401 --> 00:21:39,201 Speaker 2: the clipboard back out, and put the Z tape under 363 00:21:39,241 --> 00:21:42,841 Speaker 2: the clipboard. So is it was my understanding from reading 364 00:21:42,881 --> 00:21:45,921 Speaker 2: that that what happened was the employee would they'd cash 365 00:21:45,961 --> 00:21:48,001 Speaker 2: out the register and excuse me if I don't get 366 00:21:48,001 --> 00:21:50,521 Speaker 2: the terminology right, But then the receipt would print out 367 00:21:50,561 --> 00:21:52,441 Speaker 2: and they were supposed to take it to the back office, 368 00:21:52,961 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: run the numbers, and then come back and put this 369 00:21:55,041 --> 00:21:56,241 Speaker 2: put it back on a clipboard. 370 00:21:56,321 --> 00:21:58,241 Speaker 3: Is that right? Oh, they would do that in the 371 00:21:58,241 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: back room. 372 00:21:58,641 --> 00:22:00,281 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. When I went to the back. 373 00:22:00,201 --> 00:22:01,841 Speaker 3: A Z tape just closed out the day. 374 00:22:01,961 --> 00:22:04,441 Speaker 5: God, we ran two we ran two ships, the day ship, 375 00:22:04,681 --> 00:22:06,721 Speaker 5: and then at night when we closed, they would run 376 00:22:06,721 --> 00:22:08,121 Speaker 5: a Z tape which clears. 377 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,601 Speaker 3: Everything out for that day. I see. 378 00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:11,121 Speaker 5: And then what they would do is they would take 379 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:13,521 Speaker 5: that tape and let's just for an even amount of money. 380 00:22:13,601 --> 00:22:15,481 Speaker 5: Let's just say they did a thousand dollars in sales. 381 00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 5: Then they would take everything out of their drawer and 382 00:22:18,481 --> 00:22:20,321 Speaker 5: let's just say they start to shift for two hundred dollars, 383 00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:22,041 Speaker 5: they would they would put the two hundred dollars back 384 00:22:22,041 --> 00:22:24,281 Speaker 5: in the drawer, and then they should have one thousand dollars. 385 00:22:24,361 --> 00:22:27,121 Speaker 5: It should balance and they would count one thousand dollars. 386 00:22:27,281 --> 00:22:29,281 Speaker 5: They would put that in an envelope, put it down 387 00:22:29,321 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 5: the safe. There were two slots in the safe. They 388 00:22:31,921 --> 00:22:34,081 Speaker 5: would put that down the safe. Then they would take 389 00:22:34,121 --> 00:22:35,961 Speaker 5: their Z tape. Then they would and there was a 390 00:22:35,961 --> 00:22:38,441 Speaker 5: clipboard in the back, and they would write down there. 391 00:22:38,641 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 5: I guess, for lack of a better word, to shift reconciliation. 392 00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:45,441 Speaker 2: Kenny said, it appears as though Stacy was interrupted in 393 00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: the middle of this process. This made him believe the 394 00:22:48,641 --> 00:22:52,801 Speaker 2: store had been closed, Stacey closed out the register, and then, 395 00:22:52,961 --> 00:22:56,081 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, maybe because Stacey and Marty were comfortable 396 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,881 Speaker 2: with the people who came in after closing, they let 397 00:22:58,921 --> 00:23:02,321 Speaker 2: them stay. It seems as though they were completing their 398 00:23:02,441 --> 00:23:06,801 Speaker 2: routine task right before they were interrupted. The very last 399 00:23:06,801 --> 00:23:09,521 Speaker 2: thing that employees were supposed to do after reconciling the 400 00:23:09,561 --> 00:23:13,161 Speaker 2: registers and cleaning was to punch in their individual four 401 00:23:13,161 --> 00:23:16,721 Speaker 2: digit code to set the alarm, and then manually locked 402 00:23:16,761 --> 00:23:17,481 Speaker 2: the doors. 403 00:23:17,201 --> 00:23:17,721 Speaker 3: As they leave. 404 00:23:18,401 --> 00:23:22,001 Speaker 2: But as we've said before, that alarm was never set. 405 00:23:22,641 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: There were a total of four phones in and around 406 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,241 Speaker 2: the store, Kenny Klein's personal phone in his private office, 407 00:23:28,521 --> 00:23:31,801 Speaker 2: a store phone at the front desk, and two payphones outside. 408 00:23:32,401 --> 00:23:35,481 Speaker 2: The lines to the two payphones in Kenny's private phone 409 00:23:35,681 --> 00:23:40,001 Speaker 2: had all been cut, leaving only the counterphone untouched. So 410 00:23:40,761 --> 00:23:43,321 Speaker 2: one natural question to ask, and one that it seems 411 00:23:43,321 --> 00:23:46,561 Speaker 2: the police did ask, is if anyone had quit the 412 00:23:46,561 --> 00:23:49,681 Speaker 2: store recently or had an issue with anyone at the store. 413 00:23:50,561 --> 00:23:52,921 Speaker 2: There was someone who had quit a few weeks before 414 00:23:52,961 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: the murders, Nathaniel Gobert, who stole money on credit cards. 415 00:23:57,601 --> 00:24:00,041 Speaker 2: Nathaniel had called Stacy and asked her if he could 416 00:24:00,041 --> 00:24:02,641 Speaker 2: come back in. She said that if he did come 417 00:24:02,681 --> 00:24:05,121 Speaker 2: back in, they would have to call the sheriff's department. 418 00:24:05,521 --> 00:24:08,001 Speaker 2: But police talked to Nathaniel and he had an alibi, 419 00:24:08,561 --> 00:24:11,401 Speaker 2: And it turns out that someone else did quit very 420 00:24:11,441 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: suddenly the day before the murders, Miles Addison. Now we 421 00:24:15,921 --> 00:24:18,281 Speaker 2: had heard this name before. We had heard that Miles 422 00:24:18,321 --> 00:24:21,521 Speaker 2: Addison called in sick and that that's why Marty was 423 00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:22,321 Speaker 2: working that night. 424 00:24:22,881 --> 00:24:25,441 Speaker 3: But it turns out Miles didn't just call in sick. 425 00:24:25,801 --> 00:24:26,241 Speaker 3: He quit. 426 00:24:27,281 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: Kenny Klein told law enforcement Miles had been working at 427 00:24:30,481 --> 00:24:33,801 Speaker 2: kk's corner for between four and six weeks when he quit. 428 00:24:34,601 --> 00:24:37,561 Speaker 2: Miles later told police that he called at two thirty 429 00:24:37,601 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 2: pm on July fourth, thirty minutes before his shift started. 430 00:24:42,121 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: He told an employee that he was tired of working 431 00:24:44,641 --> 00:24:46,641 Speaker 2: till midnight and that if he kept having to work 432 00:24:46,681 --> 00:24:48,921 Speaker 2: till midnight that he would quit. He said it was 433 00:24:48,961 --> 00:24:51,041 Speaker 2: the fourth of July weekend and then he wanted to 434 00:24:51,041 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: go out and party. 435 00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:55,161 Speaker 3: Miles normally worked three pm to midnight. 436 00:24:55,481 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: He was scheduled to work on Saturday, but after he quit, 437 00:24:59,521 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: Marty took his shift at twelve oh six am on 438 00:25:03,041 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: July sixth, Sherwood Carpenter, the manager of Kk's, called the 439 00:25:06,401 --> 00:25:09,801 Speaker 2: store because the alarm had not been set. No one answered, 440 00:25:10,361 --> 00:25:14,201 Speaker 2: so the killers probably came into Kk's corner right before 441 00:25:14,241 --> 00:25:18,041 Speaker 2: midnight and a few minutes later everyone was dead. They 442 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,481 Speaker 2: cut the phone lines, kicked down the door to the office, 443 00:25:20,521 --> 00:25:21,521 Speaker 2: and robbed the money out. 444 00:25:21,441 --> 00:25:21,881 Speaker 3: Of the safe. 445 00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:24,801 Speaker 2: They pulled the VHS tape out of the VCR that 446 00:25:24,881 --> 00:25:28,441 Speaker 2: was recording the security camera footage, and they left. The 447 00:25:28,521 --> 00:25:31,761 Speaker 2: store's owner, Kenny Klin, confirmed that the tapes in the 448 00:25:31,801 --> 00:25:35,161 Speaker 2: store were labeled one through thirty one, one for each 449 00:25:35,241 --> 00:25:38,721 Speaker 2: day of the month, and all of the other tapes 450 00:25:38,761 --> 00:25:41,881 Speaker 2: were still on the shelf. Only the surveillance video from 451 00:25:41,881 --> 00:25:46,361 Speaker 2: that night, tape number five, July fifth, was taken. And 452 00:25:46,441 --> 00:25:49,561 Speaker 2: even though Deputy Deluge said that there was no physical 453 00:25:49,601 --> 00:25:52,521 Speaker 2: evidence in this case, it turned out there were some 454 00:25:52,641 --> 00:25:56,881 Speaker 2: things left behind. Police found eight nine millimeters shell casings 455 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,281 Speaker 2: and six bullets. They also found hairs on the bodies. 456 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: These hares were tested and they did not match Tomas 457 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,721 Speaker 2: Cisco's hair, but according to court documents, police did not 458 00:26:09,881 --> 00:26:13,561 Speaker 2: test any other suspects. The defense attorneys specifically asked about 459 00:26:13,561 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: Miles Adison, Richard mclvin, and another man. Police admitted they 460 00:26:17,681 --> 00:26:20,961 Speaker 2: didn't test any of these people. Police looked through the 461 00:26:21,041 --> 00:26:23,121 Speaker 2: surveillance tapes they were trying to see if they could 462 00:26:23,121 --> 00:26:27,441 Speaker 2: see anything suspicious. They only had thirty days worth of tapes. 463 00:26:27,921 --> 00:26:31,481 Speaker 2: After thirty days they were recorded over and when they 464 00:26:31,481 --> 00:26:33,801 Speaker 2: looked through the tapes, they found that even though it 465 00:26:33,881 --> 00:26:36,561 Speaker 2: was store policy for the doors to be locked at 466 00:26:36,561 --> 00:26:41,121 Speaker 2: twelve am, in practice that did not always happen. They 467 00:26:41,201 --> 00:26:43,521 Speaker 2: hit another roadblock though, when they tried to figure out 468 00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: as someone had been casing the store of the day before, 469 00:26:46,281 --> 00:26:50,241 Speaker 2: because the tape for July fourth was there, but it 470 00:26:50,321 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: turned out it hadn't been updated. Another employee said on 471 00:26:54,481 --> 00:26:57,881 Speaker 2: the day before the murders, because Miles Addison had quit 472 00:26:57,921 --> 00:27:00,401 Speaker 2: so suddenly and she was scrambling to find a replacement 473 00:27:00,441 --> 00:27:03,081 Speaker 2: for him, she forgot to put in the surveillance tape 474 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:03,481 Speaker 2: that day. 475 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,681 Speaker 3: But what about the other physical evidence? 476 00:27:07,481 --> 00:27:12,601 Speaker 2: Police found a cigarette inside the cooler near Nicole's body. 477 00:27:12,721 --> 00:27:16,241 Speaker 2: It was partially burned down, like it had been partially smoked. 478 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:28,161 Speaker 2: So what happened to that evidence? We still don't know 479 00:27:28,241 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: what happened to some of the evidence that was found 480 00:27:30,641 --> 00:27:34,721 Speaker 2: at the scene. We are still pouring through civil lawsuits 481 00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: and other Foyer request to try and figure out what 482 00:27:38,281 --> 00:27:42,321 Speaker 2: happened to it. A lawsuit filed by Stacy Reeves's family 483 00:27:42,641 --> 00:27:45,521 Speaker 2: alleged that Stacy's life life was in danger, that Stacy 484 00:27:45,641 --> 00:27:48,561 Speaker 2: believed the death of Kevin Abel, who was described as 485 00:27:48,561 --> 00:27:53,041 Speaker 2: her boyfriend, had been falsely ruled a suicide, and that 486 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,441 Speaker 2: Stacy had reported certain individuals who were involved with drug 487 00:27:56,481 --> 00:28:01,081 Speaker 2: trafficking to the police. That because of that situation, her 488 00:28:01,241 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: life was in danger, and that the police failed to 489 00:28:03,921 --> 00:28:08,841 Speaker 2: protect her, and Stacy believed that Sheriff Wayne Mcalvin's son, 490 00:28:09,161 --> 00:28:13,441 Speaker 2: Richard was involved. Remember Sheriff Wayne Mcalvin held a press 491 00:28:13,481 --> 00:28:16,601 Speaker 2: conference and said he would hunt down anyone who spread 492 00:28:16,761 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: untrue rumors about his son, Richard Mcalvin, who once again 493 00:28:20,761 --> 00:28:24,801 Speaker 2: has been cleared by law enforcement. At that same press conference, 494 00:28:25,161 --> 00:28:28,161 Speaker 2: Richard Mcalvin said he didn't know any of the victims, 495 00:28:28,521 --> 00:28:32,641 Speaker 2: but Stacy's friend, Missy, said that Richard and Stacy definitely 496 00:28:32,681 --> 00:28:33,281 Speaker 2: knew each other. 497 00:28:34,241 --> 00:28:38,201 Speaker 4: This was years before all this drama happened, and she 498 00:28:38,401 --> 00:28:44,681 Speaker 4: introduced me to Richard Mcalvin and Kevin Abel and they left, 499 00:28:44,881 --> 00:28:46,601 Speaker 4: and she said you know who that was? And I 500 00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:49,441 Speaker 4: said no. She goes, that was your boss's son, and 501 00:28:49,481 --> 00:28:51,321 Speaker 4: I told I made a joke. I said, safety, I 502 00:28:51,401 --> 00:28:54,641 Speaker 4: got a tone of bosses. What's the boss you're talking about. 503 00:28:54,801 --> 00:28:58,721 Speaker 4: She said, oh, the main boss, Cheff mcklvin's son. And 504 00:28:58,801 --> 00:29:01,121 Speaker 4: I said, oh, okay, And I kind of brushed it 505 00:29:01,161 --> 00:29:03,641 Speaker 4: off because it didn't matter to me. 506 00:29:03,801 --> 00:29:07,561 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the reporting on kk's Corner 507 00:29:07,601 --> 00:29:11,481 Speaker 2: has been focused on two people, Richard mcelvin and Thomas Cisco. 508 00:29:11,761 --> 00:29:15,401 Speaker 2: But what if neither of them were involved? Was there 509 00:29:15,441 --> 00:29:18,321 Speaker 2: anyone else who police were looking at early the investigation, 510 00:29:18,881 --> 00:29:21,361 Speaker 2: anyone else who would have had a reason to hurt 511 00:29:21,361 --> 00:29:25,721 Speaker 2: Stacy or to rob kk's Corner. There was someone else 512 00:29:25,761 --> 00:29:28,761 Speaker 2: who police believed could have been the second gunman, A 513 00:29:28,841 --> 00:29:31,761 Speaker 2: man named Chris, who had lived with Thomas Cisco at 514 00:29:31,801 --> 00:29:34,201 Speaker 2: one point, was an early suspect. 515 00:29:34,721 --> 00:29:36,001 Speaker 3: The former district. 516 00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:39,681 Speaker 2: Attorney Rick Bryant said that, in his opinion, Chris looked 517 00:29:39,721 --> 00:29:42,761 Speaker 2: like the composite drawing, but he said that Chris had 518 00:29:42,801 --> 00:29:47,681 Speaker 2: an alibi. Police questioned the employee who quit kk's Corner, 519 00:29:47,921 --> 00:29:52,601 Speaker 2: Miles Addison, several times. On July eighth, Miles Addison took 520 00:29:52,601 --> 00:29:56,881 Speaker 2: a polygraph test and he failed it. Miles gave a 521 00:29:57,001 --> 00:30:00,481 Speaker 2: videotape statement he completely denied having anything to do with 522 00:30:00,801 --> 00:30:04,241 Speaker 2: or any knowledge of the killings at kk's corner. They 523 00:30:04,321 --> 00:30:07,601 Speaker 2: talked to Miles Addison's mother, who told police at first 524 00:30:07,721 --> 00:30:09,881 Speaker 2: that Miles had come home in the early morning hours 525 00:30:09,881 --> 00:30:13,081 Speaker 2: of July six, but apparently later said she wasn't sure 526 00:30:13,121 --> 00:30:15,161 Speaker 2: exactly when he came home that night, or if he 527 00:30:15,201 --> 00:30:18,361 Speaker 2: came home at all. Later, when police talked to Miles, 528 00:30:18,721 --> 00:30:20,961 Speaker 2: he told detectives he had talked to his mom about 529 00:30:20,961 --> 00:30:24,001 Speaker 2: what she said. Apparently she was sleepy when she talked 530 00:30:24,041 --> 00:30:26,161 Speaker 2: to the officers and she was wrong about him not 531 00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:29,961 Speaker 2: coming home. Miles said that on Saturday, July fifth, he 532 00:30:30,001 --> 00:30:32,441 Speaker 2: got up at around two pm. He went to visit 533 00:30:32,481 --> 00:30:35,281 Speaker 2: some downstairs neighbors. They watched TV and smoke some pot. 534 00:30:35,961 --> 00:30:37,441 Speaker 2: That went on until about nine pm. 535 00:30:37,681 --> 00:30:38,081 Speaker 3: He said. 536 00:30:38,121 --> 00:30:40,281 Speaker 2: Three friends of his showed up and they went riding 537 00:30:40,321 --> 00:30:42,561 Speaker 2: around for a little while. Then they dropped him back 538 00:30:42,561 --> 00:30:45,281 Speaker 2: at his apartment complex, and a few minutes later a 539 00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:47,481 Speaker 2: friend of his name Mike, showed up with two women, 540 00:30:47,721 --> 00:30:50,961 Speaker 2: Nicole and Sarah. He said the four of them went 541 00:30:51,001 --> 00:30:53,361 Speaker 2: to eat at a place called Checkers. They were riding 542 00:30:53,361 --> 00:30:56,281 Speaker 2: around smoking pot, stopped by a convenience. 543 00:30:55,841 --> 00:30:57,321 Speaker 3: Story to get some cigarettes and candy. 544 00:30:57,921 --> 00:31:00,001 Speaker 2: He said that they dropped him off back at his 545 00:31:00,081 --> 00:31:02,721 Speaker 2: place at around eleven forty five pm. 546 00:31:02,961 --> 00:31:04,881 Speaker 3: Detectives spoke to the other three people. 547 00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:07,481 Speaker 2: They basically said the same thing that they showed up 548 00:31:07,521 --> 00:31:10,001 Speaker 2: to pick Miles up, rode around in smoke Pot, made 549 00:31:10,041 --> 00:31:12,321 Speaker 2: a couple of stops, and dropped him back at his 550 00:31:12,401 --> 00:31:16,401 Speaker 2: place at around eleven forty five pm. The apartment complex 551 00:31:16,441 --> 00:31:18,881 Speaker 2: where Miles lived was a little over two miles from 552 00:31:18,961 --> 00:31:22,601 Speaker 2: kk's corner, according to Google Maps, about a five minute drive. 553 00:31:23,761 --> 00:31:27,001 Speaker 2: There were also some conflicting stories from other people who 554 00:31:27,041 --> 00:31:30,761 Speaker 2: police talked to about Miles's activities on July fifth. Shane 555 00:31:30,841 --> 00:31:34,161 Speaker 2: Robinson said on July fifth, Miles came over and asked 556 00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:38,161 Speaker 2: to borrow his truck. He said that Miles left at 557 00:31:38,201 --> 00:31:40,561 Speaker 2: ten thirty pm and that he never saw him again 558 00:31:40,561 --> 00:31:44,161 Speaker 2: that night. But the way the interviews worded it doesn't 559 00:31:44,161 --> 00:31:47,161 Speaker 2: actually specify if Miles borrowed the truck and brought it 560 00:31:47,201 --> 00:31:50,321 Speaker 2: back and then left without it, or if he left 561 00:31:50,401 --> 00:31:54,841 Speaker 2: with it at ten thirty. It's very confusingly worded. Miles 562 00:31:54,881 --> 00:31:57,681 Speaker 2: did admit he knew about drug dealing at Kk's Corner. 563 00:31:58,201 --> 00:32:00,801 Speaker 2: He admitted to investigators during the time he worked there 564 00:32:00,801 --> 00:32:03,561 Speaker 2: that he stole cigarettes and dealt drugs. He said he 565 00:32:03,641 --> 00:32:07,521 Speaker 2: dealt LSD, pot and cocaine. He said Marty sometimes sold 566 00:32:07,561 --> 00:32:11,041 Speaker 2: drugs out of the store as well. Miles also admitted 567 00:32:11,401 --> 00:32:13,841 Speaker 2: he let his friends come in and steal merchandise from 568 00:32:13,881 --> 00:32:16,881 Speaker 2: the store. He said he would also sometimes let them 569 00:32:16,921 --> 00:32:21,201 Speaker 2: buy stuff but undercharge them for it. Miles Addison failed 570 00:32:21,281 --> 00:32:24,921 Speaker 2: three different light detector tests. The questions that he failed, 571 00:32:24,961 --> 00:32:28,921 Speaker 2: according to law enforcement documents, were whether he had knowledge 572 00:32:28,921 --> 00:32:31,641 Speaker 2: of the events at kk's Corner, whether he knew who 573 00:32:31,721 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: had committed the murders, and whether he was present at 574 00:32:34,961 --> 00:32:36,081 Speaker 2: the time of the murders. 575 00:32:36,961 --> 00:32:38,801 Speaker 3: Again, he denied. 576 00:32:38,481 --> 00:32:40,881 Speaker 2: Yet anything to do with these murders or any knowledge 577 00:32:40,881 --> 00:32:43,721 Speaker 2: of them, and he was never charged in connection with them. 578 00:32:44,681 --> 00:32:47,521 Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't even know if police were being 579 00:32:47,561 --> 00:32:50,321 Speaker 2: straight with him when they told him which questions he failed. 580 00:32:50,721 --> 00:32:52,281 Speaker 3: We know they're allowed to lie to people. 581 00:32:53,441 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: We have reached out to Miles Addison, but after some 582 00:32:56,481 --> 00:33:00,641 Speaker 2: initial questions, he declined to answer any more and appeared 583 00:33:00,641 --> 00:33:04,401 Speaker 2: to block our number. Next week in our final KKs 584 00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:06,641 Speaker 2: Corner episode. We're going to take a look at the 585 00:33:06,681 --> 00:33:11,481 Speaker 2: trial documents, specifically the closing arguments, and get details on 586 00:33:11,521 --> 00:33:14,601 Speaker 2: which officers Stacy Reeves was meeting with regularly in the 587 00:33:14,641 --> 00:33:17,441 Speaker 2: last weeks of her life. And we're going to try 588 00:33:17,441 --> 00:33:20,881 Speaker 2: to find out what happened to that physical evidence, who 589 00:33:21,001 --> 00:33:24,241 Speaker 2: was smoking that burnout cigarette in the cooler on the 590 00:33:24,321 --> 00:33:26,641 Speaker 2: night three people were brutally murdered. 591 00:33:27,681 --> 00:33:28,761 Speaker 3: I'm Catherine Townsend. 592 00:33:29,201 --> 00:33:34,441 Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. 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