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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about angry animals. The grumpiest ornery is most cantankerous critters

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Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom, from the frustrations of puzzled crows

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Speaker 1: to the tantrums of tiny tots and the dastardly acts

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Speaker 1: of bingeful varmints. Joining me today to discuss these cranky

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Speaker 1: critters is the most ill tempered podcaster around, Alex Schmidt.

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Speaker 1: Welcome her. Yeah, Um, stomping around the room from wearing

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing the what is it n w O T

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Speaker 1: shirt that they did where they did a heel turn

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Speaker 1: in the wrestling events. Anyway, forget it. It's great to

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Speaker 1: be here. How angry he is, themes coming out of

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Speaker 1: his ears. Ah. I thought it would be appropriate to

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Speaker 1: have you on the show, not only because of your

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Speaker 1: ill tempered disposition, Um, but also because I am now

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Speaker 1: the co host on secretly incredibly fascinating. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: modulate how loudly I'm like whoa with the microphone, but

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about it. And I'm sure folks who

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Speaker 1: listened to secretly incredibly fascinating No Katie from being Amazing

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Speaker 1: on like a dozen episodes of it, And and I

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Speaker 1: of course know this audience is huge Katie fans, so

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Speaker 1: everyone knows why this is awesome. She's on on my

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Speaker 1: show is secretly incredibly fastening every week now because we're

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Speaker 1: doing a whole thing where we're on the Maximum Fun

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Speaker 1: network now and can do it. And I'm just very

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Speaker 1: very excited about it. I'm super excited too. And as

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Speaker 1: you can tell, it is it is tough work, though,

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Speaker 1: dealing with Alex's moods and rage. You know, who knows

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Speaker 1: what wrestling t shirt I'm going to clay up wearing, right,

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Speaker 1: it could come. It could be anything. It could be

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Speaker 1: that bull logo the Rock has. You know, I barely

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Speaker 1: even know what that is. But here it comes all

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Speaker 1: the stomping and chair throwing, like with the folding chairs.

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Speaker 1: It's not great for podcasting, I gotta say, yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of an angry podcaster because if

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Speaker 1: folks noticed, thirty seconds ago, I was concerned about saying

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Speaker 1: woo too loud because I don't want to blow out

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Speaker 1: the system. So yeah, I don't know how people do

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Speaker 1: shock jack stuff with microphones. It must be a skill

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Speaker 1: that you learn over over time and breaking stuff. Who's that?

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Speaker 1: There's that comedian who's famous for being angry all the time.

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Speaker 1: He voiced anger in The Inside outis Louis Black? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Does he have a podcast? I hope he does. I

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Speaker 1: want I want to have that experience he can pioneer

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Speaker 1: at like a like an astronaut or experimental scientist for us. Right,

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Speaker 1: they'll have to develop better audio engineering to accommodate his

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Speaker 1: screaming in spittle. Some sort of large had round recorder

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Speaker 1: does the most advanced and pioneering. So the reason we're

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Speaker 1: talking about anger today's I'm talking about animals and their

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Speaker 1: anger problems. What animals do when they get frustrated or

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Speaker 1: angry or alarmed, and it's often really interesting and sometimes adorable.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, first we're going to talk about crows. Now, crows,

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Speaker 1: as you might note, are highly intelligent animals, along with

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Speaker 1: other Corvid species such as ravens, magpies, New Caledonian crows. Um.

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Speaker 1: We have actually talked about Corvid intelligence on the show before.

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Speaker 1: There's a Swedish study at Luden University that shows the

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Speaker 1: ability of Ravens to figure out puzzles and make plans.

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Speaker 1: They found that when Ravens were given a food reward,

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Speaker 1: either using tokens or using a tool to solve a puzzle,

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Speaker 1: the ravens were able to plan out what supplies they'd

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Speaker 1: it showed that these Ravens were patient, smart and can

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Speaker 1: what brand, don't want to conflict advertisers, but we got

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Speaker 1: it and we were like, this is worth it. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we saved up. It's actually Katie's Lucky Suck vacuum

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Speaker 1: that is being used by Alex, I don't know why

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Speaker 1: you're not taking the people about it. They're a sponsor.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's great. Our tagline for lucky suck vacuums.

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Speaker 1: This gets all the cheerios in places unit and even

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Speaker 1: sorts of amazingly intelligent crow behaviors, like being trained to

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Speaker 1: use vending machines, using crosswalks to crack open nuts. They

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Speaker 1: sound better at using, in particular vending machines than I am. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the cartoons. I've only ever been the master of

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Speaker 1: it because it was free. But other other times I've

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Speaker 1: some vending machines where it's got a bit of a

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Speaker 1: humans that they deem evil or a threat. So experimenters

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Speaker 1: you a picture of one of these people. What what's your?

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Speaker 1: What's your? What's your? What's you're feeling about that, Alex?

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Speaker 1: It's I'm pretty sure this picture is a conventionally attractive lady,

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Speaker 1: Is it like a dummy of a crow? What is that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: an episode called Corvid Horrors, So check that out if

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Speaker 1: what happens Alex when a crow gets frustrated by a puzzle,

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Speaker 1: Because we we've talked about how good crows are at puzzles,

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Speaker 1: So the crow gets frustrated with this puzzle. It seems like,

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Speaker 1: the world go around man. Yeah, that's how it is.

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Speaker 1: But treats everything around me they are required, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but then you get to a frustrating part. God especially

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Speaker 1: Elden ring Jesus. Uh. And then like just like so frustrating,

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Speaker 1: And to that, here's another crow who is This one

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Speaker 1: she'll just kind of walk away, go into a borough,

424
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: uh like when she's because she'll sort of determine that

425
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: she's done nursing them. And interestingly, they don't physically reprimand

426
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: their young, so they don't like attack their young for

427
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: throwing tantrums. They just kind of ignore the tantrum, just

428
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: let it, let it happen. Oh yeah, Because you can

429
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: pop into a tube blake Mario or something, you don't

430
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: have to deal with it. You're out of there. Forget it. Apparently,

431
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: tantrums when a young animals being weaned is relatively common.

432
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: Another species that this happens in is Barbary macaques, So

433
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: Barbary macaque babies will throw tantrum when they are being weaned.

434
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: Barbary macaques are Old World monkeys with long tails and

435
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: fluffy golden coats. They are very cute and they live

436
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: in the Atlas Mountains in North Africa as well as

437
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: a small population of a few hundred in Gibraltar. Um

438
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: So they have to endure cold winters so they grow

439
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: and especially fluffy winter coat that they shed in the summer.

440
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: So the baby macaques will throw a tantrum and cry

441
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: roll around on the ground when they are being weaned.

442
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: And also with these animals, with the Barbara maccaques, the

443
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: parents will just kind of calmly ignore, uh, these tantrums,

444
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: and so that is that's very interesting to me, Like

445
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: the animal parents tend to just like, oh, you're having

446
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: a tantrum, all right, just whatever, I'll i'm, I'll let

447
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: you leave into that. Then maybe maybe the parents just

448
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: remind them that they live near the lovely Mediterranean Sea,

449
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: right you know about this Katie, the lovely Mediterranean sea.

450
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: You can just go look at it and chill out

451
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: tantrums in this beautiful body of water. It is very calming. Um.

452
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: I live in northern Italy, so we get no Mediterranean sea,

453
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: so I am constantly stressed. Uh. And I thought it

454
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: was interesting that this author, Jennifer virtil In, brought up

455
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: both these barbary macaques and these prairie dogs because both

456
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: um have these interesting social lives. I wouldn't say that

457
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: their societies are exactly the same, but they both are

458
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: highly social animals and live together in these large groups.

459
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: So prairie dogs live in communal boroughs known as colonies

460
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: or towns, which is adorable. Each prairie dog town consists

461
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: of several family groups, and each family group has one

462
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: the two breeding males typically one but sometimes two uh

463
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: and two to three breeding females um. And then they

464
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: also have a few of their offspring uh living with them.

465
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: So within related family, prairie dogs will kiss each other

466
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: as a creating like make mouth content, act and groom

467
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: each other, which is adorable. I'm really glad It's great.

468
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Less adorable is that, uh, sometimes they will kill their offspring.

469
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: So if a male wants to take over a family group,

470
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: he will kill the offspring of the previous mail. Uh.

471
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: This this happens in a lot of situations, like in

472
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: lion prides, Like like if a new male comes in

473
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: and tries to take over, he will kill the other offspring,

474
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: which not great, but you know it's the it's nature. Uh.

475
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: And also females will kill the offspring of other females

476
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: to decrease competition resources are scarce. Uh, so you know,

477
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: sometimes not so cute. But what is cute is they

478
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: have a complex alarm system they use to protect all

479
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: members of a prairie dog colony. They have like different

480
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: alarms for different types of predators and where they're coming from.

481
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, uh, this really complex kind of alarm

482
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: system and the issue that alarm, So all the prairie

483
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: dogs know to go down in the tunnels. Um right,

484
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: like they're the alarm is like crows, crows and their

485
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: spooky masks and put those on like we're ready. Perfect, Yes,

486
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: a very stern prairie dog. It is still cute. Too bad,

487
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: it's still cute. It doesn't work. Cute, man, Can you

488
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: imagine like a Little Prairie Dog horror movie. Michael Meyer's

489
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: prairie dog is so cute just standing out in the

490
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: yard holding a knife. But it's it's a little prairie dog,

491
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: little cuteness. I would like keep petting him as he stabbed,

492
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: and your little knife e stabbing me in the spleen.

493
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: So interestingly, with prairie dogs, females tend to be the

494
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: core of prairie dog colonies, So males will disperse, They

495
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: will leave the colony to join other colonies and try

496
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: to find a mate, whereas the females tend to stay

497
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: in one colony typically their whole lives, and just like

498
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: as the sort of older dominant female like age out,

499
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: they will sort of take the place and become a

500
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: dominant breeding female. It's all so interesting. I came into

501
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: this knowing very little about prairie dogs, even though I

502
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: have a big interest in animals like bison in that

503
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: same ecosystem. I just kind of knew they're cute and uh,

504
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: and that there's one minor league baseball team mascot called

505
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: Sad Poodles, and it's prairie dogs, but they're called the

506
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: Sad Poodles. That's all I knew about them. Sad poodles. Yeah,

507
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: it's just like a cute sie name. It's not scientific,

508
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: but it's I think Amarillo Texas, the minor league baseball team,

509
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: the mascot is the sad Poodles. I love that. I'm

510
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: going to start calling them sad poodles. That's amazing. It

511
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: sounds a little insulting, but it's also amazing. Exactly. Yeah,

512
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: it's great. And I think in the I think in

513
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: the mascot drawing they have little cowboy hats. I won't

514
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: promise that I got double check, but yet, I mean,

515
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: all prairie dogs have cowboy hats. That's just that's just fact, right,

516
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: And the way of them, the predators wave them away,

517
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: get out of um. So onto the social lives of

518
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: barbary macaques, so they too live in large groups of

519
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: multiple families. Um. They are matriarchal, with a hierarchy of

520
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: related females and the lead matriarch. So these macaques actually

521
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: have a much less brutal society than the prairie dogs.

522
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: So the males in society are very gentle with offspring,

523
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: and unlike many other primate species, they actually spend much

524
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: of their time helping to rear the offspring, so these

525
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: males will play with them and groom them. They will

526
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: even care for offspring that are not their own, possibly

527
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: due to vague unknown paternity, given that females will mate

528
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: with multiple males in the group, which is really interesting

529
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: because there's this unconfirmed theory just basically an idea that

530
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: in early humans or human ancestors, no or vague paternity

531
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: selected for more cooperation and less aggression, just as we

532
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: see in these macaques, so more sort of communal living.

533
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I just I find that very interesting

534
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: that it's like, well, I don't know whose kid this is,

535
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: so I might as well not kill it. I might

536
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: as well take care of it. Wow. Yeah, that's such

537
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: an interesting way to motivate it versus like this is

538
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: definitely my kid, so I have to protect this one

539
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: and just this one. Yeah, exactly. It's really interesting, and

540
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean there's still you do definitely still see some

541
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: like sexual selection, like competitive pressures, like males really do

542
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: try to mate with as many females as possible, and

543
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: the same thing for the female, so they are trying

544
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: to um like increase their reproductive success. It wouldn't really

545
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: be stable evolutionarily otherwise. But it's this really interesting stable

546
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: system of like it's not so much like group selection,

547
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: but because they don't know which one is their offspring,

548
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the more they take care of them, and the more

549
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: others take care of you know, basically all this parenting,

550
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: all communal parenting, like, the more likely their offspring are

551
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: going to survive as well. Wow. Yeah, it's such a

552
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: different mindset about like scarcity, I guess, yeah, you know,

553
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: versus Oh, there's only so much prairie food I need

554
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: to eat everybody. It's totally different. Well yeah, I mean, yeah,

555
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: back to back to the anger part. Though we're too happy.

556
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: We're into like wonderful society here. Um, chro mentality, chro

557
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: mentality men great, Uh yeah, I mean there might be

558
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: some usefulness to like I talked about how the prairie

559
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: dog and the macaques don't really punish their offspring when

560
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: they're like throwing a fit about weeding, and they're generally

561
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: pretty permissive. Um, there may be some benefit for them

562
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: being pretty gentle at that period of time of transition,

563
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: not really spurning the offspring if they're upset about weaning,

564
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: because weaning too early has been shown to cause aggression

565
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: later in life in some animal species. So there's been

566
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: research on go dogs, cats, and other domesticated animals that

567
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: have found that too early weaning and separation from their

568
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: mothers increases the risk of aggressive behaviors in these animals.

569
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: So it's really really interesting to me that in this

570
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: like lower stress, lower aggression community of barbary macaques, they

571
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: are raised communally by both males and females. They're given

572
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: plenty of attention UH and when they throw tantrums, they

573
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: aren't physically reprimanded, they're just gently allowed to kind of

574
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: work through their tantrum, and then that seems to kind

575
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: of potentially have an impact on these macaques development. Now,

576
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: there haven't been any specific studies on maccaques that I

577
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: know of in terms of too early separation, but the

578
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: fact this is seen in multiple species seems to indicate

579
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: that like separating um young UH animals from their parents

580
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: or from their mother too early can cause these developmental

581
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: social problems, because you know, it makes sense, they're not

582
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: they're not learning these social cues from their mothers. They're

583
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: not getting these sort of secure attachment to be able

584
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: to explore their world from their mother's that's amazing and

585
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: that's so Yeah. I feel like when you think about animals,

586
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: I try not to put too many human things on them,

587
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: but that sounds very human. Yeah, yeah, I mean I

588
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: think that it's uh, it is important. Like sure, we

589
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: don't want to like just put our human emotions on animals,

590
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: but we also don't want to deprive them of that

591
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: emotional range that they probably feel. Yeah, and I hadn't

592
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: heard of this species before the Barbary mccas. I'm excited

593
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: to see them and stuff. They're very cute. Wait, just

594
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: oh I didn't give you a picture, google it? Do it?

595
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh I as I said that I was doing it.

596
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's happening right now. Oh yeah, that's a

597
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: fun that's a fun face. Man, that's good. Yeah. They've

598
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: got like sort of pinkish little faces, golden fur. Um,

599
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: they're very cute. I'm looking at one that almost appears

600
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: to have cat years. I know they're not cattiers, but

601
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: it's like pointing and that's great. That's a good vibe. No,

602
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: they've got like the adults have very serious little faces. Uh.

603
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: And then the babies are just man, it's so cute.

604
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: So so cute. I can see why their parents slit

605
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: them just throw tantrums. I'd let this baby throw a tantrum. Yeah, oh,

606
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: who can stop open? You know, just go for a

607
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: little guy, cry it out. I already promised to let

608
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: a prairie dog stab me like, so of course I'm

609
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna let um. Okay, it's like ten years down the

610
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: line of prairie dog shows up at your doors, like

611
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I've come to collect on a promise. And then the

612
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: red up. I hear a really cool score, like a

613
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: John Carpenter score. That's a great way to go. That's good.

614
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: So we've talked about animals who will hold grudges and

615
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: get frustrated at puzzles. We've talked about baby animals that

616
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: throw tantrums. Uh, and I want to talk about before

617
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: we go, animals who get angry when they sense someone

618
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: is not being fair. Which, again I feel like it's

619
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: so fine, we can talk about me, fine, fine out,

620
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like this idea of like fairness,

621
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: of being mad at someone for being unfair to you,

622
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: it feels so human. But we do actually see this

623
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: in animals, so of course, looking at our more closely

624
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: related relatives, the chimpanzees. We can see this in quite

625
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: a spectacular way. So researchers at the Max Planck Institute

626
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: for Evolutionary Anthropology set up a devious situation for chimps

627
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: to navigate. This is these studies are so devious. I mean,

628
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: they're not. I don't think that these ones are particularly cruel.

629
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: They're just devious. You'll see what I mean. So, Uh,

630
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: these chimps were situated in little cubicles with a sliding

631
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: table that had food on it, and so they could

632
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: like there was like sort of a divider, like a

633
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: plexi glass or something divider, and so they could pull

634
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: the table under the plexi glass towards them and pick

635
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: up food and eat it. Or the table would like

636
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: already be there in place when they entered the the

637
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: when they entered the cubicle, so they could like sit

638
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: down and eat stuff from the table. But then there

639
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: was another cubicle facing them that also could like pull

640
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: on this table and pull the food towards them. So

641
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: this other chimp could pull the food away from the

642
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: previous chimp to get the food themselves. Uh. And now

643
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: here's the other element. Is the chimps had ropes that

644
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: they could pull on that would collapse the table and

645
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: cause all the food to like scatter onto the ground,

646
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: and the ground was kind of recessed, so like the

647
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: food would basically be out of reach. Uh So, like

648
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm Chimpanzee Johnny Knoxville, and this is the trick table,

649
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: and I just do the whole jackass segment. Yeah. So

650
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: they found that when the chimp like had the food

651
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: in its own cubicle, it didn't pull a rope. Obviously

652
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: it's not going to sabotage itself. Um, And if the

653
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: food was just kind of in the other cubicle, the

654
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: chimp did not pull the rope. But when so the

655
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: first chimp comes in, it sees the food. Great, it's

656
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: going to get that food. But then the second chimp

657
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: comes in and grabs the food away from the first

658
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: chimp by pulling the table away. The first chimp pulled

659
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: on the rope to cause all the food to fall

660
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: down to punish the second chimp for stealing the food

661
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: from the first chimp. This is such it feels like

662
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: such a king Saliban make decisions terrible of justice with

663
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: like a lot of moving parts that are surprising and memorable.

664
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: It's great I feel like in that situation where like

665
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: King Solomon and dealing with chimp since like, well you

666
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: should I cut this baby in half, and they're like,

667
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: I get the butt one, I get the butt part,

668
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: DIBs on the butt um. So yeah, I mean it's

669
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: really interesting because the chimps would not collapse the table

670
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: out of jealousy. So like if they were blocked from

671
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: getting to the food, whereas one chimp could get to

672
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: the food but the other one couldn't, Like, they wouldn't

673
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: collapse the table. They weren't like, oh you get food

674
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: and I don't. That's not fair, and then collapse the table.

675
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: It was only when they perceived the other chimp as

676
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: having stolen the food from them that they would collapse

677
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: the table. So like they were frustrated with that other

678
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: chimp and they were punishing that chimp um basically say

679
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: like well, if I can't have this food and you

680
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: steal it from me, like then you're not getting that food. Man.

681
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of politics. Yeah, that's the first

682
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking of, Like we're we're arranging the fiscal

683
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: year budget in Chimpanzee Congress for where this or like

684
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: Judge duty. But then it's like these chimps with like

685
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: the food and then like like just trying to work

686
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: out this problem, and it's like I see, you know,

687
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: don't don't piss on my leg and tell me that

688
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: you know it's raining, but then the chimps are actually

689
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: peeing on her leg and you know it's chaos. Right,

690
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: don't piss on my leg like you usually do in

691
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: certain situations because that's how we socialize. Yeah, there's nothing

692
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: weird about it, but right now, no, not now, it's

693
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: a different thing. So there's actually been lots of research

694
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: on punishing cheaters in animals. So cheaters as in an

695
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: animal that will take advantage of a situation and usually

696
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: hurt the other animals in the group by taking advantage

697
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: of the situation. So uh, this could also be you

698
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: know how earlier we were talking about aloe parenting with

699
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: these barbary mcaques and um these prairie dogs you know,

700
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: like like take rearing young together in these groups, and

701
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: the um the cats all sort of communally raising. I mean,

702
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: in some situations there will be this communal raising, but

703
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: sometimes it is enforced with rules. So in mere cats,

704
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: more hens and carrion crows. They all share this feature

705
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: where young females will engage in alo parenting, which means,

706
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, helping to raise the offspring of the older,

707
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: more dominant females. And researchers have found that increased time

708
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: helping to raise the offspring is associated with better fitness

709
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: for the babysitter and a higher rate of weight gain

710
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: and the high The hypothesis is that this is due

711
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: to either more feeding opportunities granted to them by the

712
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: dominant females or that they the ones that are not

713
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: being a good babies, that are not spending as much

714
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: time taking care of the offspring, are being punished by

715
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: the dominant females with more bullying more like food deprivations.

716
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting because you have something where

717
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's communal parenting that seems really good

718
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: and peaceful, but maybe there's, uh, there might be a carrot,

719
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: but there might also be a stick involved with these

720
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: situations of punishing the subordinate females who are not being

721
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: good babysitters. Yeah, yeah, all this stuff. I'm always amazed

722
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: and just mystified trying to imagine, like how these systems

723
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: get put in place, to write like, of course human

724
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: society there's also like a long, long, thousands of years

725
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: process of developing it. But like how how animals work

726
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: out these arrangements based on just biology or more. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah,

727
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean for some animals it's like, you know, they

728
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: are born with certain instincts, Especially with simple animals or

729
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: animals that don't spend as much like social time sort

730
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: of learning from parents, it's like, okay, they probably are

731
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: born with a certain instinct. But with animals that are

732
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: really social, especially these intelligent animals like uh, you know,

733
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: uh corvids or apes, even with prairie dogs, there's some

734
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: element of learning from the older generations. So separating out

735
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: like what is that animal's instinct, what are they born

736
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: with kind of having that instinct for war, or what

737
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: do they acquire through social learning? That can be tricky sometimes,

738
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, as it is tricky with humans as well. Yeah,

739
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: that's a that's amazing, yeah, and good for I am.

740
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm the most amazed by the species that to us

741
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: appear to do It's probably not scientifically accurate to call

742
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: it like no parenting, but the ones where just an

743
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: egg hatches and the parents gone and never see the gun.

744
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: Well I mean, yeah, no exactly. I mean like with

745
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: sea turtles, they lay their eggs, they leave them, they're like,

746
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: all right, good kiddos by, and then they hatch and

747
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: they are instinctively attracted to light shining on the water,

748
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: and they go towards the water. It's like you're just

749
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: born little like robot computers, just going towards the ocean.

750
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, it's like an operating system exactly. Yeah, welcome.

751
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: But speaking of cheaters, sometimes cheaters get very creative to

752
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: avoid wrath in nature. So this is found in young

753
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: white winged chuffs and Australian bird with a name that

754
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: is sort of a misnomer because they're not related to

755
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: alpine chuffs. Still, these are blackbirds with red eyes and

756
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: they are social where juveniles are expected to help feed

757
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: the offspring of their parents, so feed their younger siblings,

758
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: and if they returned to the nest with no food,

759
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: they are often chastised by their parents kind of swooped at,

760
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: pecked at, um punished. But if they return to the

761
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: nest with food, uh, they are not punished. So some

762
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: of these birds will return to the nest with food,

763
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: put the food in their younger siblings mouths and then

764
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: pluck it right back out of their mouths and need it,

765
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: and they do not get punished. Yeah, they just respect game.

766
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: I guess. Hey. I mean, the the thought for why

767
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: this is sort of stable in terms of evolution is

768
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: that these are related birds, so that these are the

769
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: older siblings and the younger siblings, and that when the

770
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: older siblings do this, like steal the food from the

771
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: younger siblings, they are um needing that nourishment. They need

772
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: that food, and so the cheating is actually okay in

773
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: this instance because uh, in terms of the passing on

774
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: the genetic material, because uh, by doing this occasional cheating,

775
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily um going to prevent the younger offspring

776
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: from flourishing, um, but they are also ensuring that they

777
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: are getting enough nourishments. So it's like it's an off.

778
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: It's sort of you know, it's like a trade off

779
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: for the older sibling getting more nourishment versus the younger sibling.

780
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: We're just lucky that with I'm lucky. I guess that

781
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: humans aren't like that because I have an older brother

782
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: and like, it'd be so funny if like, in order

783
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: to survive, he had to like pull peanut butter and

784
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: jelly sandwiches out of my mouth. Yeah, there are a

785
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: few rules. But of course these birds are Australian and

786
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: the joke about Australia is that everything's wild and we'll

787
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: get outlaw there. So it's probably where it's coming from Australians.

788
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: Let us know what your version of peanut butter and

789
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: jelly sandwiches are and if older and younger siblings have

790
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: to fight for them. Yeah, yeah, let us know your

791
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: version of peanut butter and jelly and ben why is

792
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: it vega might just vegamu vegimlt sand wiches and I

793
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: had to fight my older brother for it. That's not Australian. No,

794
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do good there. That wasn't a good accent.

795
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: And and this bird name, was it a chuff? You said,

796
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: a chuck chuff? Yeah? Interesting, Yeah, that's a fun name

797
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: even that even feels Australians. It's spelled yeah, I mean

798
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: there's Alpine Chuff's as well. Um, it's spelled the same.

799
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: They're not. They look like they're related, but they're not.

800
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: It's also it's spelled like c h O u g

801
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: H so to me, I try to I want to

802
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: pronounce it how yeah, or like chow, which is probably

803
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: not chows. Yeah, no, it's not chow's, but it's chuffs

804
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: because there's I know, if you British people too, and

805
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: they like to say they are chuffed like c h

806
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: e U F f e D they're happy. Yeah no,

807
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: I keep thinking of that. Well, it's a whole mom

808
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: and wealth of people speaking English and we don't understand

809
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: each other. I watch a lot of a lot of

810
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: British bigoff and they do say I'm quite chuffed a lot,

811
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: and I would love for that to happen where they're

812
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: just covered in cows. Yeah, but the birds are too smart.

813
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: They know four in twenty of them they'll get made

814
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: into a poet. Right, stay out of there. It's a

815
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: good move. So before we go, we have to play

816
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: it a little game. And that game is called Guess

817
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: who squawk and the Mry Animal Sound Game. Every week

818
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: I play a Mr Animal sound in you the listener

819
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: and you the guests trying to guess who is squawking.

820
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: So uh, lots of times people do people bring this up.

821
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: It's so good, Thank you, thank you so last week's

822
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: hint was whoever named this animal was being a bit judgmental,

823
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: and then actually, so that was I gave another hint,

824
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: which was this is often used in move beast to

825
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: create a spooky, haunted atmosphere, even when it's inaccurate to

826
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: do so. And this is the sounds. That's not the sound. Sorry,

827
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: that's my floating YouTube sounds it is. Yeah, it's spooky

828
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a whining sort of maybe I'm

829
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: thinking of animal tantrums like babies that I'm pried for that. Uh,

830
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: but and a big echo. I'm very impressed with anybody

831
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: who can really you want you want to be like

832
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: that mountain person who like calls out to the whole

833
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: valley the sound of music or something. Yeah, it does

834
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: sound sort of like a bit of a weir w. Yeah,

835
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's some kind of mountain animal maybe

836
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: lives in trees. But I almost want to go mammal.

837
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Interesting. Well, congratulations to Tiffany in enjoy

838
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: p who correctly guessed that this is the call of

839
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: a loon. So Loons are a group of aquatic bird

840
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: species found in North America and northern Eurasia. They are

841
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: sort of duck like birds with a more pointed bill,

842
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Speaker 1: often with a white belly and throat, black back and

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Speaker 1: black or gray head. Typically they have red eyes, and

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Speaker 1: often they have striking white lines and markings on their neck,

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Speaker 1: chest and back. Uh. The loon you just heard is

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00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: the red throated loon, which is found in Arctic regions

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Speaker 1: or coastal regions in the northern Hemisphere. When it's breeding season,

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Speaker 1: they develop a bright, rusty red patch of feathers on

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Speaker 1: their throat to attract mates. They form monogamous, long term

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Speaker 1: pair bonds, and that eerie cry they make is just

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00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: a way for pairs to communicate with each other or

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Speaker 1: for parents to call their offspring. So it's not spooky,

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Speaker 1: it's very sweet. But that does not stop people in

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Speaker 1: the movie industry from using this sound to try to

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Speaker 1: evince a spooky atmosphere sometimes like the Untamed wild And

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Speaker 1: it's really funny because they will use it in environments

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Speaker 1: where this loon would never be found, like in the

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Speaker 1: jungle or something that's not really where they are um

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Speaker 1: or like just like some it's just like this is wilderness.

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Speaker 1: This is spooky, haunted wilderness, and that's what the sound

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Speaker 1: is meant to evoke. I like that. That means that

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Speaker 1: jungle or whatever contains one lost Canadian. Right, that's great.

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Speaker 1: It's a bird, Canadian bird. Like he's just like with

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Speaker 1: those suitcases with all the stickers out of the various

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Speaker 1: places they've been wearing a two and very politely asking

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Speaker 1: for directions. Yes, shout out Canada. What a good bird

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Speaker 1: it is. And it's like it's spooky, but it's pretty.

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Speaker 1: It sort of reminds me of like whale song or

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Speaker 1: something like that that has an ominous feel sort of,

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Speaker 1: but it's also nice. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. I think.

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Speaker 1: All right, now onto this week's Mr Annals sound the hint.

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Speaker 1: This baby sure likes to make a point. M hmm.

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Speaker 1: I'm really really thinking about that. Bathing likes to make

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00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: a point hint because I immediately just imagine cute checks

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Speaker 1: like chicken babies, but they're not pointy, uh left field

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00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: gas scorpions, interesting gifts, very interesting. Well, you will find

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Speaker 1: out if you're right or wrong on next week's episode

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Actually guess the fact that I don't bliep

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Speaker 1: you out means you are wrong, So that's next. It's

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Speaker 1: not a scorpion spoil liter alert. Alex is wrong from

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Speaker 1: a week from now. I was going to be listening

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Speaker 1: to this like in my scorpion jacket from the movie

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Speaker 1: Drive with a little scorpion flag, like I'm so ready

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Speaker 1: to be right fingers. But it's a foam stinger. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yes. I will reveal the answer to this week's

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Speaker 1: mystery animal sound next time on Creature Feature. Alex, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me today and unleashing You're

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Speaker 1: just boundless rage. Thank you. People in my neighborhood are

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00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: going to be like the chroman is really calm. I

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Speaker 1: guess he worked it out this morning instead of your

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Speaker 1: angry stomping around. Uh, And thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for listening and check out. Secretly incredibly fascinating because Alex

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00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: is on it and also me too, I'm truly overjoyed

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Speaker 1: about it. I feel like I'm underselling it, but just

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Speaker 1: because people know how awesome you are. So but it's

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00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: it's the best thing in the world. It's it's if

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00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: you listen to the podcast before, it's continuing to be

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: the same podcast, but with this wonderful co host. It's

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Speaker 1: like two Louis Blacks. Screaming into a void about interesting things.

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Speaker 1: It just yeah, it just starts to create some sort

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Speaker 1: of physics reaction where it destroys and it like it's

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00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: a black hole or some type. Obviously I know a

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Speaker 1: lot about black holes. That's why that was such a

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Speaker 1: fluent joke. But we're screaming on a level that is

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Speaker 1: vibrating the corks of every atom or something. Yeah that's right, yeah,

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00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Yeah. Well, thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for listening. Uh and thanks to the Space Classics

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Speaker 1: for their super awesome song. Exo Lumina creates Your Features

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