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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang on today's show. If not Chandler Jones,

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Speaker 1: then who? And if not Jordan Hicks, then is Zavian

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Speaker 1: linebacker position, both outside and inside. First, though it is official,

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Speaker 1: all of next season's opponents now have head coaches. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, episode five thirty eight, and it starts now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolou and Mike Jarecki.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Going for Hopkins one hand

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Speaker 1: to catch in a touchdown? DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolou

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. So it's been a bit since our

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Speaker 1: last shows. Good m Jane, everything's good. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: always talk about the NFL calendar and unfortunately the season

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two season. You don't think about the month

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Speaker 1: the field once again. But this month of March. And

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Speaker 1: we'll get into it more next week. But you're talking

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Speaker 1: but this is all part of that process. You bring

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Speaker 1: We were watching the Super Bowl and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: to trades or possibly signing free agents. Cardinals would love

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Speaker 1: physical player, but he has the athleticism to go from

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Speaker 1: sideline to sideline. He has the ability to, you know,

430
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Speaker 1: if you're getting some pressure upfront, to come up and

431
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Speaker 1: make tackles at the line of scrimmage versus four or

432
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Speaker 1: five yards on the line. So I'm not I want

433
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: to see it first, but again I've learned over the years.

434
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Speaker 1: Sometimes guys make a jump for the first year or

435
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: second year. It takes a third year. But hopefully he's

436
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: training in the right direction like Isaiah did, and that

437
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: means they found their two inside linebackers for the future.

438
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: And that was the talk after Collins was drafted. Hey,

439
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: we've got two trees, two tall trees, two beautiful trees.

440
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: Six four two sixties Avan Collins six four, two thirty

441
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: eight Isaiah Simmons. That makes it difficult for opposing quarterbacks

442
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: to throw downfield through the middle. Now move them around

443
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: a little bit to get some versatility. But having that anchor,

444
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: and we saw two years ago the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

445
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: They're two inside linebackers. That was kind of the blueprint.

446
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's solve the inside linebacker position and see

447
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: what we've got. Now, all of a sudden, you look

448
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: at the Rams, it's like, well, you need a defensive

449
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: tackle to kind of wreck things defensively. But that's where

450
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: this team is looking at, to have those two guys

451
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the defense. Yeah, and after their draft,

452
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: we made reference to Navarrol Bowman and Patrick Willis, those

453
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Speaker 1: guys that were experienced. You made Vante David and Devin

454
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: White was a top five pick. David had experience, lou

455
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: Keikley Thomas Davis had experience. So it's not going to

456
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Speaker 1: happen overnight. But the idea is to beat those guys

457
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years before I obviously there

458
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Speaker 1: they approach free agency, and obviously that's not for a while.

459
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Speaker 1: So those guys had experience. Now, if we were saying

460
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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks and Isaiah Simmons, you got experienced here, they

461
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: just don't have the experience and all those guys we mentioned,

462
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: you look at what this those two players have had

463
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: to deal with as far as getting drafted in the

464
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Speaker 1: midst of a pandemic off seasons being limited, and that

465
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Speaker 1: perhaps maybe stunted their growth, if you will, but getting

466
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Speaker 1: them at least for Zavin Collins getting his feet wet,

467
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Speaker 1: especially early in the season, I think the coaching staff

468
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: all right, let's see what he can do. And obviously

469
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to say it was

470
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: too much for him, but it obviously his head seemed

471
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: to be swimming. He wasn't always in the right spots,

472
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: and maybe he was overloaded with information and try to

473
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: do too much, try to be the guy. As general

474
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Speaker 1: manager Steve Khin pointed out on draft night, he's our

475
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Speaker 1: starter day one. Well, it's a lot of pressure for

476
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Speaker 1: a young player, and no faults of Zavens, but I

477
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: just don't think he was quite ready. And that was

478
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Speaker 1: why a year ago, i'm Jay were talking about Jordan Hicks.

479
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Speaker 1: He needs to be on this team. He needs to

480
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Speaker 1: be the backup, the you know, the plan B if

481
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: you will, I just don't know. As much as I

482
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Speaker 1: like Jordan Hicks and the fact that maybe you're a

483
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Speaker 1: better team with him, especially early in the season, I

484
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Speaker 1: just don't know if you can go that route if

485
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Speaker 1: you want to see exactly what you have in Zaven Collins. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: and Steve obviously made that comment, and you know everyone's

487
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, he didn't play a lot this year.

488
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Speaker 1: Well go back to Isaiah Simmons first year. But at

489
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, he can say that. But

490
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Speaker 1: that's why you have coaches. Coaches make those decisions. Who's

491
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Speaker 1: going to start. Now, at the end of the day,

492
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: when you get to the fifty three man roster, you

493
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: start looking at, Okay, what is this salary that's on

494
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Speaker 1: the GM. The GM's job is to get the top

495
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: fifty three guys and then Kingsbury and his staff has

496
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: to figure out who's the top forty six guys. On

497
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: game day, coaches decide who starts. He can make those comments,

498
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: and again, we all have bosses and maybe they felt

499
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: we got to make sure we get them involved. But

500
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: this team was trying to win football games, and that's

501
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: harder to have developed guys when you're trying to win,

502
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: especially when you're seven to oh and ten and two.

503
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: And that's the not pushback, but that's that conversation front

504
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: off lists looking long term, coaching staff, looking in the

505
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: media future. This Sunday, you know, you know, my job's

506
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: predicated on wins and losses now, not what this team

507
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: potentially could do down the road. I want to see

508
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: him play a lot in the preseason. I know they're

509
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: going you're gonna have one, one, two PRESEAC games with

510
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: two or three. I'm getting three three, and then one

511
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: at home and two on the road. Yeah, And I

512
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: don't know about that third one. Maybe you know, teams

513
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: will treat you like the fourth one. But I would

514
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: like to see him play a lot, just kind of

515
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: feel comfortable and when you're thinking, you can't react as

516
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: fast as you are. And I think he was swimming

517
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: last year. There was a lot put on his plate.

518
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: And let's talk about you know where he came from.

519
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, obviously Brian Erlacker is very similar

520
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: to him, and he had a nice NFL career and

521
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: some people looked at him as a safety. So it

522
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: can happen. But it's a different animal playing in the NFL,

523
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: and if you didn't play at a Power five school,

524
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different on game day. And in

525
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Speaker 1: addition to Hicks, Simmons, Collins, Tanner, Vallejo is under contract,

526
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: Joe Walker signed to a future contract. Ezekiel Turner, an

527
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agency's been more of a special teams player.

528
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Speaker 1: But there's not a lot of experienced depth behind Simmons

529
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Speaker 1: and Collins. You had Tanner Vallejo and Joe Walker are serviceable,

530
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: specifically Tanner Vallejo. But it's more about, all right, you

531
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Speaker 1: drafted those two phenoms, those two six four trees, if

532
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: you will, for a reason. Let's see what they can do. Now.

533
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: The wrinkle in all this kind of leads us to

534
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: the outside linebacker position in the future of Chandler Jones.

535
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Speaker 1: Because we did see Isaiah Simmons play a little outside linebacker.

536
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: We did see Zavan Collins play a little outside linebacker.

537
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: How much is the thought process is now regardless of

538
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones's future. But all right, Simmons and Collins, are

539
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: you better suited inside or outside? I mean, if you

540
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: want to just figure out one position versus the five

541
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Speaker 1: that Simmons played, let's kind of figure out where you're

542
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: best suited within this defense. Yeah, I would slow play Collins.

543
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I think as Xavier, we talk about position flexibility, and

544
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you can say, well, he's a jack

545
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: of all trades, but what is his master right. I mean,

546
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: what the saying is, you know, he can do a

547
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: lot of good things, but what is he mastering? And

548
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: the impression I got they do want him to play

549
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: in the outside, but I don't know if it's rushed

550
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: in the pastor they feel like he's really good in

551
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: the screen game. He can cover slot receivers, so it's

552
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different than him just lining up on

553
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: the outside. But they would like to have him on

554
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: the outside, possibly in a three four. Again it would

555
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: be an outside linebacker, but he'd be a hybrid though.

556
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: So I've heard that they'd like to get him on

557
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: the outside, but I don't know if it's hand in

558
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: the dirt, but they're really they think he can cover

559
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: the flat and the screen passes and you're talking about

560
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, and that would be based off of what

561
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: we saw last season seven passes defense and the ability

562
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: to run with a slot receiver cover a tight end.

563
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: That's the other thing we've seen over the last two seasons,

564
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: the ability to cover the tight end and not get

565
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: burned like this team was in twenty nineteen. And again,

566
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: you got to give offensive coordinates and quarterbacks when they

567
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: pre snap read there are times when they'll have a

568
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: running back that has to go out to the outside

569
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Speaker 1: for the wheelhouse route, and there's time that Jordan Hicks

570
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: had to cover that guy. And there was time that

571
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks had to cover tight ends, and that's not ideal.

572
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks needs to be in the front seven. Cardinals

573
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: allowed the fewest number of tight ends or fewest number

574
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: of touchdowns too tight ends for the second straight year.

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00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: Two touchdowns to tight ends in twenty twenty one. Three

576
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty compared to the sixteen allowed in twenty nineteen,

577
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: and now is more. Devondre Campbell a couple of years ago,

578
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: and he's obviously he's an All Pro this year and

579
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: we'll see if he goes back to Green Bay. All right,

580
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: let's turn our attention to outside linebacker here on Cardinals

581
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Covered two presented by Hunday. Probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

582
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones his future. Yes, he's an unrestricted free agent.

583
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck is an unrestricted free agent. This is who

584
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: we know at least as far as signed for next season.

585
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, Devonkonard, Victor d mccagee and Kylie Fitz, who

586
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: ended last season on IR because of a concussion he

587
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: suffered earlier in the season. So Chandler Jones in his future.

588
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: If you don't have Chandler Jones, what do you have

589
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: as far as a pass rushing concerned. That's why I

590
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: brought up Simmons and Collins because their ability perhaps to

591
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: be an outside linebacker rushing the quarterback. Although that's just

592
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to rely on that going into next season. Yeah,

593
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, pass rushers are not growing

594
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: on trees. Chandler Jones is going to get paid. And

595
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: I talked to one of his teammates a couple of

596
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: days ago and he said he's got a ring mic.

597
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: So this is about really cashing in again. I don't

598
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: think he'll go back to New England. That's just me

599
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: connecting dots when I heard does he go to Miami

600
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: where you look at the state tax? I mean, he's

601
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: gonna get paid, and you know, he had an outstanding

602
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: career here, but I think the Cardinals were looking for

603
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: more consistency across the board. Even though he didn't fill

604
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: up the stat sheet in the sacks, he definitely created

605
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: holding penalties, tackle for losses, quarterback hits and pressures and hurries,

606
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: but they were looking for more and if he would

607
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: have been more assistant, I would have thought they possibly

608
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: would have tried to extend him during the season, depending

609
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: on how much money you carry over to the following season.

610
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: But he's gonna get paid, and you know, I guess

611
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: in the long run, you may get a compensatory pick,

612
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: and hopefully it's a three, because I thought we all

613
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: thought that with Patrick and a nip being it didn't happen.

614
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones will be thirty two when the season begins,

615
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: if actively thirty two later this month in February, So

616
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: an early happy birthday to Chandler Jones. The franchise is

617
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: all time SAX leader. You can't take that away. Six

618
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: seasons wearing a Cardinals uniform and phenomenal for five of

619
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: those seasons. The one season he wasn't well, he was

620
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: hurt after four games. Yeah, and you know, I think

621
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Speaker 1: I think you can find a pass rusher. Now a rookie.

622
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna say, well, it's going to take time, but literally,

623
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if he can rush the passer and you

624
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: rotate them, I think twenty three would be an option

625
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: there and we'll see if they are active in free agency.

626
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what happens in Carolina with a

627
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Son Reddick. They have Brian Burns there, they have Shaq Thompson.

628
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Both of the guys have been extended. Do they put

629
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: the franchise tag on him? Because they got a lot

630
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: of dead money in Sam Darnold. So I think he'd

631
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: be on I think he'd be on the radar. And

632
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: he's only twenty seven years old Reddick versus thirty two,

633
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: and he plays a little bit different. But you know,

634
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I would think that he'd be on the radar considering

635
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: there's so much familiarity in this building about him. It's

636
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: a great thought. Yet, if you're the Panthers, you don't

637
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: let good players leave. Now, if you're up against the

638
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: salary cap, that's a different story. Sometimes you have to

639
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: make tough decisions. But twenty seven year old has Son Reddick.

640
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: If I'm Carolina, I'm not letting him leave. I'm trying

641
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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make sure he stays

642
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: with the Panthers. Now from the outside is looking, oh,

643
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: it's great, you know, let Chandler Jones Walker he sign

644
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: it's on a reddick. Well, it's it's not that. I

645
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: mean a sign made sign a long term deal there

646
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Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, You see the thing, if

647
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: you put the franchise tag, you still have until June

648
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: to figure out a long term deal. So you know,

649
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: do you just restrict that player's movement? Yes, right, But

650
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I mean it's the whole idea is to try to

651
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: figure out a long term deal. The franchise tag really

652
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: doesn't benefit anybody. The cap numbers high. Players want their cheddar,

653
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: which is just a signing bonus or guaranteed money. Now

654
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: you can potentially franchise tag Chandler Jones. The issue though,

655
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: is what it's going to cost. And initially Bird Gang,

656
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was more in the eighteen and a

657
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: half eighteen point six million dollar range if you put

658
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: that tag on Chandler Jones, and then I was corrected.

659
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Joe Cory CBS Sports, who does a great job following

660
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: all of this as far as salary cap is concerned,

661
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 1: brought up earlier in the week that because Jones would

662
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: be franchise tagged a second time goes into a different category.

663
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: That means his tag would be one hundred percent shoot

664
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Speaker 1: me one hundred and twenty percent of last year's salary,

665
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: but not his salary, but his salary cap number. And

666
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: that salary cap number was twenty million dollars, So one

667
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: hundred twenty percent of that would be over twenty four million.

668
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: That's what you would pay Chandler Jones in twenty twenty

669
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: two if you tagged him this week or before March eighth,

670
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: as the window is now officially upen. A lot of numbers, there,

671
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot of math, but bottom line is do you

672
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: want to give Chandler Jones twenty five million or spend

673
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: that money somewhere else? I got, I got two words,

674
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: keep walking too expensive for you? Yeah, I mean yeah, again,

675
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: if he would have been more consistent, I'm having a

676
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: different conversation. But like I said, he's gonna get paid,

677
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: and he's and if he's gonna go to a team

678
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: that you hope he goes to a contender. Again, he

679
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: has a ring, so it's more about cashing in now.

680
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it, but I mean

681
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: he's playing for Pride and being a Hall of Famer,

682
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: He's playing for his family. But yeah, I mean it's

683
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: just like I said, I wish we were having a

684
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: different conversation because if he would have played well throughout

685
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: the entire season, I think it could have been an option.

686
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: But again, nobody wins there. You try to figure out

687
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: a two year deal, and I think they're willing to pain,

688
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: like fifteen to eighteen kind of Cameron Jordan, a little

689
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: bit older with the Saints, did it. He's a right

690
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: defensive end with his hand the dirt. Now again, I

691
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: do think you can get a young pass rusher, whether

692
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: it's the first or second round, get a nice rotation.

693
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued with Victor de mckachie six two, two

694
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: sixty two. I'm not seeing as a starter. Played fourteen

695
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: games May on special teams. He only had forty five

696
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: defensive snaps because Kennard was out there and Kennard's cap number.

697
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: To me, he could be a cap casualty. Don't have

698
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: any insight, just connecting dots there. But I'm intrigued with

699
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Victor de mckachie. And you know, again, to me, if

700
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: you have Marcus Golden, you retain Dennis Gardeck. I think

701
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: Gardeck's more of a backup. You add a starter there.

702
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I think Victor can be a guy that's would be

703
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: a good rotation guy. I think his snapcount's going to

704
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: go up. Well. I think it's telling the fact that

705
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: he was active on game day. You're talking about a

706
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: Day three pick that did enough to where he was

707
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: dressing on Sundays playing special teams, but in a pinch,

708
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: could play some defense. And that's that's the bonus here.

709
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: Do well on special teams. However you get on this roster,

710
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: make sure you're in uniform because in a pinch you

711
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: might be called a plan to play some offense or defense. Yeah,

712
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: and that's Jeff Rogers. I mean Jeff Rogers, he I

713
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: d s who you know, there's five Day eight guys,

714
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: and you know every year he probably has to have

715
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: that conversation and ultimately the general manners because is going

716
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: to make the decision. But he's got a lot of

717
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: input based on special teams and you know, we see,

718
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, how well they've played, even though the rankings

719
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: probably don't solidify what they did last year compared to

720
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: previous years. But you know, again, that's how if you're

721
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: going to be a backup in this league. In definitely

722
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: a second or third or third day pick, as you mentioned,

723
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: you have to play on teams. That's the only way

724
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna dress on game day. And then of course

725
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: you bring up Marcus Golden. Don't want to leave him

726
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: out of this conversation. Led the team with eleven sacks,

727
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: finished second and tackles for lost, quarterback hits tied for second,

728
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: and four his fumbles. You know what you're going to

729
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: get out of Marcus Golden. That is one hundred ten

730
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: percent every single day, not just on game day. Yeah,

731
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: and I'm a big Marcus Golden fan. You know, I

732
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: love hearing him talk. He brings the energy. He practices

733
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: like he plays. But I think he hit the wall

734
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, And maybe it was because he was

735
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: playing more snaps because Kannar was coming in and out.

736
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: I think in the last five games, though he had

737
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: one sack in the Rams playoff game, him and Chandler

738
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: one sack combined in those last five games. And I

739
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: think you know how much did offenses adjust to the

740
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals based off that week one performance of Chandler Jones

741
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, five sacks and everyone was like,

742
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: whoa wait a second, we need to rethink some things.

743
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: And there were some things in the cold skin that

744
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Marcus could have had, you know, tackler two and he

745
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: took a bad angle. That happens. They get paid too.

746
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was against Jonathan Taylor, which

747
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: happens to a lot of guys. But I know he's

748
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: gonna work hard in the offseason and he's gonna come back,

749
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, doing exactly what he does, and you can

750
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: just pencil him every year or ten plus sacks. Cardinals

751
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: as a team finished thirteenth in the league with forty

752
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: one sacks, twenty nine of those on the road. And

753
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: that's another dynamic this offseason trying to figure out why

754
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: the splits home versus road were so one sided when

755
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: it came to the offense and defensive numbers. That's interesting

756
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: because last year forty nine Reddick had what twelve and

757
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: a half I believe it was forty eight or forty nine,

758
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, then a lot of that was because all right, Vans, Joseph,

759
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: you're on the clock. You don't have Chandler Jones. What

760
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: do you do to manufacture a pass rush? And he

761
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: was able to do that. Dennis card Forty eight was

762
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: the number of sacks, fourth most in the league. Reddick

763
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: twelve and a half Guardick seven Golden, who was a

764
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: midseason edition, had three Canard three as well. But again,

765
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: if you don't have Chandler Jones, if Vans Joseph doesn't

766
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: have Chandler Jones, next Sea you bring back Marcus Golden.

767
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: All right, you did it once, can you do it

768
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: a second time? As far as manufacturing that pass rusher,

769
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: it's becomes more difficult as opposed to just having one

770
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: guy out there saying, all right, go get that guy.

771
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: And whether that's again, if it's not Chandler, then all right,

772
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: is it someone in free ad to see or someone

773
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: in the draft exactly, And we can't forget about J. J. Watt.

774
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully he can stay healthy because he's a guy that

775
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: can rush the passer, he can split a double team,

776
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: he gets tackled for losses. He runs to the ball

777
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: regardless of the guy's ten yards down the field, so

778
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, getting a push there. And hopefully we see

779
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: more from Richard Lawrence. Gotta stay healthy, Lucky Foe too,

780
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: We've got to stay healthy. We'll see about Corey Peters.

781
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: I like dog be more of a backup, but you know,

782
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: we got to include JJ Watton. That front seven. I

783
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: mean not that they could line them up as a

784
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: left defensive end in a three four and then you

785
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: got to pick your poison if you do have another

786
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: outside linebacker or a pass rusher, and then you can

787
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: line Golden up over the teams are gonna have to to

788
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: pick their poison. It it's gonna be it's gonna be

789
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: imperative that JJ Watt stays healthy because he's gonna be

790
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: part of that pass rush. You want someone to occupy

791
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: not only a player's attention, but occupy that opposing team

792
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: as far as face try to stop him. Yeah, and

793
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: you wonder if JJ Watt is healthy the entire season,

794
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: how many sacks does Chandler Jones have? Great point, I mean,

795
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: sign me up for fifteen games. I hope he gets seventeen,

796
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll see how wigs. I know he's

797
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna work hard, and he came back from the injury,

798
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be a blessing in disguise where he

799
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have to rehab the entire season. He had any setbacks,

800
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been told he's been working out

801
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: here on the field. I follow him on social media.

802
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: He's been doing a lot of traveling, a lot of eating,

803
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: so you can see he's getting back into the lab.

804
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: Always comes down to health and not always the most

805
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: talented team, but the healthiest team at the end of

806
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: the day, ie the Rams with their five star players

807
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: staying healthy and when the scout Combine begins on March first.

808
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: As far as that twenty third overall pick, I do

809
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: believe edge rusher and whether that's now we're talking about

810
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: outside linebackers. I did not include defensive end J. J.

811
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: Watt hand in the dirt. Just someone who's gonna stand

812
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: up rush to the quarterback. So there are a lot

813
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: of defensive ends in this upcoming draft. Fact, the top

814
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: two prospects perhaps Aidan Hutchinson and Cavon Thibodeau. You know

815
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: those are defensive ends. They're obviously not going to be

816
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: around when the Cardinals picked number twenty three, but someone

817
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: to get after the quarterback, and that's a deep position

818
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: with respects to this upcoming draft. Yeah, and again we

819
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: gotta wait what they do in free agency. If they

820
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: get a pass rusher, then the interior lineman, interior defensive lineman, corner,

821
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: possibly wide receiver. Yeah, we just gotta wait. But just

822
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: based on. You know, I don't I don't pay attention

823
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: to mock drafts. I pay attention to how the players

824
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: are ranked. And I looked at a couple of analytics

825
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: and there there could be a couple pass rushers somewhere

826
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: between twenty and twenty five. And there there's also some

827
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: good interior. Now, Daniel Jeremiah tweeted something out the other

828
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: day and I thought of find interesting, Like he said,

829
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, you look at these teams in the playoffs,

830
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: and besides, you know, maybe trust and Worth's some of

831
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: these first round pick backed in. He may be a

832
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: bust with the Jets, he said, And Cardinals took Jonathan Cooper,

833
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: they took DJ Humphries that was a little bit later

834
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: in the draft. He feels like, you can get these

835
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: interior alignment in the second or third round and you

836
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: start seeing these teams, Yeah, you got to have a

837
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: stud left tackle, which they do Kelvin Beach and probably

838
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: one of the better graded players last year. Really brings

839
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: a lot of leadership to this team. So along those lines,

840
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, they got to get better in

841
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: the interior right guard, but maybe that guy's on the roster.

842
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: But you know, again, they're gonna go best develoable player.

843
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: Maybe they move down to get more picks, but I

844
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: gotta think pass rusher, cornerback, interior linement on both sides

845
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: of the ball are gonna be something they're gonna be

846
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: have to put on the radar well. Pass rusher and

847
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: free agency is gonna cost you some money, whether that's

848
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones or Hassan Reddick or Harold Landry or Melvin

849
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: Ingram cheaper when it's in the drafts, specifically at number

850
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: twenty three, David Dajabo from Michigan. There's a couple of

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Speaker 1: especially coming up with the scouting combine in Indianapolis beginning

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Speaker 1: on March first. But you're gonna see, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be interesting where the run is on position during the

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Speaker 1: So is that run on tackle, is that a run

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Speaker 1: on wide receiver, or is that run going to be

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Speaker 1: on edge rushers? Counting defensive ends as well. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: never know what Caroline is gonna do. Obviously they get

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Speaker 1: a high pick, but I don't know if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: see quarterback draft than the top twelve. I would not

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Speaker 1: expect that based off of everything that I've read and

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Speaker 1: heard that there would not be If you had last

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Speaker 1: year's quarterbacks in this year's draft class, every single one

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Speaker 1: of them would be drafted ahead of someone that comes

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Speaker 1: out this year. Yeah, and it's difficult to go from

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Speaker 1: the twenties up to the tens. And that's why the

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Speaker 1: Bears mortgages are future for justin field. It's easier to

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Speaker 1: go from fifteen to ten, ten to eight. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit more difficult when you're in the twenties. So

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Speaker 1: we'll just have to wait and see. But again, I

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Speaker 1: think tight end position. I don't know if we'll see

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Speaker 1: one or two in the first round. It's more of

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Speaker 1: the round three to five. It's loaded, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: And there's some really good tight ends coming out. When

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Speaker 1: we talked about Max Williams and Zach Ertz. Hopefully they

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Speaker 1: can retain both of those players. But if I had,

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Speaker 1: if I had to like project the positions. Obviously offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: which they don't need right now, but you have to

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Speaker 1: look at the future with Humphreys going into the line

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Speaker 1: of finally year of his hopefully extension comes there. But

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Speaker 1: I think interior offensive line, interior defensive line, pass rusher, corner,

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Speaker 1: and wide receiver definitely got to be on the wish list.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the wide receiver position here on Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two presented by Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you do have to listen to what Mike direck

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Speaker 1: He has to say. Sometimes, as they say, you know,

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Speaker 1: a squirrel does find that nuts. A broken clock is

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Speaker 1: rights twice a day. But if you and even if

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Speaker 1: you missed it, go back into the archives on easy

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com and go back to our conversation on

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position is specifically rondel Moore because it

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Speaker 1: was Mike direck He who first mentioned rondel Moore as

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Speaker 1: let's see what he can do. Let's see more of

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Speaker 1: rondel Moore and specifically outside wide receiver, which I admit

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Speaker 1: I had not thought most about, just basically because as

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Speaker 1: an inside guy has heightened everything, but you brought up

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Speaker 1: Let's see what rondel Moore can do as an outside

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Well, you know another person is interesting the

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Speaker 1: same thing, who might have a little bit more leverage

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Speaker 1: and influence in this conversation, one wide receivers coach Sean

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Speaker 1: Jefferson recently on the Big Red Rage talks up Rondell

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Speaker 1: Moore and let's see what he can do. Put quote

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Speaker 1: put him outside a little bit more where he can

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Speaker 1: run some of those routes on the outside end quotes.

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Speaker 1: And he also wants him improve on his route tree.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about guys on the Red Sea Report.

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Speaker 1: We look at Tyree Hill, Tyreek Hills just a couple

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Speaker 1: of inches taller. They're pretty much the same weight. Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel's a little bit bigger. He's about two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. Yeah, and again I have no problem with

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Speaker 1: the eye candy because you know what they want to

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Speaker 1: do is get him in space and if Kyler's in

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Speaker 1: the gun and they throw that little quick pass to him.

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Speaker 1: Once he puts his foot in the ground, he gets

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Speaker 1: to that secondary. And again I do think that he

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Speaker 1: hit the wall, but he's gonna work hard. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he's disappointed he didn't put up more yards in the

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Speaker 1: receiving game and more touchdowns. Obviously he's a guy that's

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Speaker 1: a utility guy, plays on punt return and kick return.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're saying though, because usually your outside

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Speaker 1: receivers are tall six two two ten, right, But you know,

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Speaker 1: depending on what happens with Christian Kirk, he can he

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Speaker 1: can do. I think he can play. That's what the

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Speaker 1: route tree is. You have to be at a lineup

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Speaker 1: at different positions. And again, I think Wesley is a

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Speaker 1: guy that you know fourth or fifth and he gives

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Speaker 1: you that size. He's just gonna get stronger. Sehn Jefferson

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Speaker 1: quote about Rondel Moore quote he's a phenomenal route runner

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Speaker 1: already but just learning the little nuances of playing outside

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Speaker 1: end quote. So great conversation Sean Jefferson on the Big

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Speaker 1: Red Rage with Paul Kelvs and Ron Wilfley, specifically talking

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Speaker 1: about his Super Bowl experience as far as being the

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Speaker 1: father of Van Jefferson, watching his son win the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and then becoming a grandfather all within a matter

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Speaker 1: of hours on that Super Bowl Monday. So a great

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Speaker 1: conversation on last week's Big Red Rage. But again credit

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Speaker 1: to Mike Jarecki here on Cardinal's cover two. Well it's

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Speaker 1: just you know, last year, I don't I don't question

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Speaker 1: play calling because a lot of its execution and they

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Speaker 1: put it a lot of work in So it's always hindsight,

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Speaker 1: and hindsight's unbeaten in sports. And I like the eye candy,

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Speaker 1: but I just thought, you know, based on that one

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Speaker 1: when he was wide open and he had a little

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Speaker 1: toe tap, he had utilize that speed and that's what

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs do with with Tyreek Hill. And obviously Debo

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Speaker 1: is a little bit bigger. He's more of a running back.

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Speaker 1: He can do everything. He can play in the pistol

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Speaker 1: and take the ball out of the snap. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not down on him. I'm actually intrigued to

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Speaker 1: see what his second year likes. Again, it takes time, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it pays to listen to Mike Direcki. That's what

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Speaker 1: I've learned here over several seasons working with the man.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what Mike Drecki has to say moving

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Speaker 1: forward with respect to the twenty twenty two Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday, proud

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals as always special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim mum a hundred. Mike Dreky, you're

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Speaker 1: on the clock now. People are gonna want to know

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Speaker 1: what you have to say next. Craig Rayel Loup, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two,