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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly

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Speaker 2: source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and

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Speaker 2: whatever stupid stuff they decided to drop into the show. Now,

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Speaker 2: here's your host, Paul Jarchian.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a February edition of Fantasy Football Weekly.

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Speaker 3: Or is it December?

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Speaker 1: Old time warp happening right here? That is the hum

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Speaker 1: of Brian Johnson, my co host today.

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Speaker 3: Hey buddy, what up?

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Speaker 4: George?

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: You're officially in Auason. It's last December, but we're gonna

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Speaker 4: discuss December.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, can we just please hang on?

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Speaker 1: Can we please becock a little bit? Last week's show,

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Speaker 1: we pretty much nailed the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I would say you did me not so much. My

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Speaker 4: juju props are looking great. A catch on each of

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Speaker 4: the first two drives. Yeah, just give me one more

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Speaker 4: and it's gravy nothing.

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Speaker 1: Well, he hit the over depending on where you bet him.

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Speaker 1: I you know, when it was thirteen and a half

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Speaker 1: as I saw him, he finished at sixteen yards.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he hit that over. But I was louder in him.

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Speaker 4: I was getting greedy, but no, you you spiked the

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Speaker 4: the Eagles ault line of whether it was minus thirteen

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Speaker 4: and a half fourteen, there was a room to spare

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Speaker 4: props to you. I should I almost bet it, but

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Speaker 4: I was like, Nah, Mahomes as much as I respect

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Speaker 4: Charge Mahomes man, Yeah, I lost to Mahomes, which is understanding.

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Speaker 4: Hindsight is twenty twenty, right, But I mean we on

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Speaker 4: the show, We're like, there's no edge here for.

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Speaker 1: The cheeps, right, there's no edge on the field. Find

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Speaker 1: your edge.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't one. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I saw someone saying, no, did anyone predict this? And

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Speaker 4: I'm like, Charge, did Charge predicted this? This blowout? So

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Speaker 4: good on you, Good on you. Charge.

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Speaker 1: Kind of take that peacock to the bank right there.

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Speaker 4: You deserve it.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna highlight this is the first of a

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Speaker 1: two parter. We're gonna highlight guys whose fantasy productions spiked

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Speaker 1: in December and then answer whether or not that December

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Speaker 1: production is a trend or a mirage. Now, in some

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Speaker 1: cases it's young guys and it just took them most

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Speaker 1: of the season before they really.

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Speaker 3: Came on strong at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Other guys, it's just veterans who for whatever reason just

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Speaker 1: didn't show up in September, October, November, and then did

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Speaker 1: well down the stretch. I'm using December here, but you know,

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Speaker 1: we know there was also like a week eighteen was

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Speaker 1: in January. If you need to go back, you know,

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Speaker 1: into the final month of November.

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Speaker 3: That's okay.

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Speaker 1: Do We're just we're really we're focusing on end of

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Speaker 1: season producers and whether or not it is a trend

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Speaker 1: or a mirage.

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Speaker 4: Now now, feel free to steal this for the for

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Speaker 4: the show notes that you might put on iHeart, but

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Speaker 4: I've named this this what we're doing. This is the

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Speaker 4: UH and for the for the the young ones out there,

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Speaker 4: they might not get this reference, but will educate you

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Speaker 4: real quick. I've I've dubbed what we're doing the Drew

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Speaker 4: the Drew Bennett exercise or the the Drew Bennett drill.

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Speaker 4: How's that that's more alliterative? Right?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: So for those don't remember, Drew Bennett wide receiver for

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Speaker 4: the Tennessee Titans in two thousand and four, starting in December,

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Speaker 4: pretty much quiet all year. I'm just gonna read Drew

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Speaker 4: Bennett's stat lines and four Billy Voleck by.

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Speaker 1: The way, Yeah, quarterback back Billy Bennett.

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Speaker 4: And this was like, this was Aaron McNair, Steve McNair's

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Speaker 4: he must have been hurt. But I'm just gonna read

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Speaker 4: this off quick. One hundred and twenty four yards, three touchdowns,

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Speaker 4: two thirty three and three, one sixty and two. This

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Speaker 4: is all like insane prime December production. And I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna go into this was a mirage. Drew Bennett was

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Speaker 4: a mirage, that's right, yes, into future seasons, but this

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Speaker 4: is what we're doing. Basically, we're gonna no one had

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Speaker 4: a Drew Bennett type December but close. But uh, this

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Speaker 4: is the Drew Bennett drill. I'm dubbing at that.

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Speaker 3: I like it, all right, Well we'll name the show

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Speaker 3: the Drew Bennett Drill.

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Speaker 1: And I think broadly, the fantasy community spends the off

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Speaker 1: season putting a lot of weight on December performances, a

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Speaker 4: And probably remember it's fresh in our mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, it's the most recent data points we have.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got a whole six month off season

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Speaker 1: to talk about our most recent data points. So I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's fair to break down these players.

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Speaker 1: Before I do that, I'm going to bring you into

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Speaker 1: the intrigue and drama that has happened in my fantasy

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Speaker 1: basketball league.

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Speaker 3: It is nothing to do with basketball.

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Speaker 4: What whatball basketball?

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Speaker 3: I know fantasy basketball.

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Speaker 4: I used to play fantasy bas well. It's been quite

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Speaker 4: quite some time. But yeah, tell me what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I've got Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 1: No, I've got a team that's in third place. It's

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Speaker 1: a good team out of fourteen, and I'm deep at center.

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Speaker 1: I got an offer to trade nas Reed for.

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Speaker 3: I know of him, you know of him? Yep, for

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Speaker 3: Devin Booker.

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Speaker 1: Now, most people would say Devin Booker is like an

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Speaker 1: A minus player and nas Reid is like a B player,

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Speaker 1: maybe a B plus player depending on thinkings. Break his

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Speaker 1: his way, And so we accepted the trade offer. The

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Speaker 1: commissioner vetoed it, oh no, unilatterally vetoted it himself. And

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Speaker 1: then and he's in first place, by the way, And

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Speaker 1: I won't say his name.

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Speaker 4: Thout to say, do him on the show. What's his address? Right?

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Speaker 1: And he is a longtime friend, you know, I've known

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Speaker 1: him for thirty years. And uh, I was extremely mad

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Speaker 1: and so then the way this has worked is after

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Speaker 1: I badgered him some and threatened to just quit the

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Speaker 1: league right there, right then and there, he said, Well,

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Speaker 1: after making a big deal about vetoing it, he said, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: why don't you offer it to him again? And now

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Speaker 1: if he still accepts it, then I'll let it go through,

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Speaker 1: to which I said, why would I need to do

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Speaker 1: that when we already agreed on a deal and he

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Speaker 1: has not pushed through the trade yet.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: Veto's man vetos and friendships. I'm I'm still angry about this,

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Speaker 1: and who gives any one person the ability to decide

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Speaker 1: something like that? And obviously there's no chicanery, there's no

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Speaker 1: funny stuff right, There's no money going under the table,

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Speaker 1: nothing like that. This is just one guy who felt

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Speaker 1: it to be, and he he he nuked it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's even though, Like I'm not too in the

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Speaker 4: know in basketball anymore, but I don't have any booker.

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Speaker 4: It was probably like the number one, number two shooting

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Speaker 4: guard preseason, right, and nas Reid fantasy wise was but

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Nass spiked since Julius doesn't matter. That's awful.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the details I don't think matter, No.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't. My opinion, no matter the sport. Veto's veto,

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Speaker 4: the veto. That's what we need to do.

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Speaker 3: Veto, the veto. Get it out of your leagues, everybody.

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Speaker 1: And I'm serious that when I when I was talking like, okay,

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Speaker 1: do I need to quit now? It turned into a

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Speaker 1: friendship check at that point, and I'm still not sure

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Speaker 4: Better.

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Speaker 1: Okay, point being I have veto in your league.

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Speaker 4: I hope he's listening. It's Matt, isn't it. No, It's okay.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to we're gonna break down these December players,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna we're gonna break this into two parts.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do quarterbacks and running backs today. The next

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Speaker 1: week we're gonna wide receivers and tight ends. But secretly

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Speaker 1: we're taping them both today because next Friday is Whiskey weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so if there was some big thing that

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Speaker 3: All right, let's jump in with the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to start with justin air Bear do

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Speaker 1: I have an air bear sounder?

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Speaker 4: Speaking of speaking of Matt Well, it's his famous moniker. No,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of a lot of animals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of animals. That's a close I end

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Speaker 1: get as a duck, which is a.

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Speaker 4: Oh it was duck? What was duck? Hodges or the quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Is that why we have the fight?

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Speaker 3: You might still be from that? Yes, good heavens.

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Speaker 4: Justin that's in the UFL or something at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Justin Herbert. Let's talk about him December. To remember, he

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Speaker 4: was a top ten quarterback Fantasy wise, multiple passing touchdowns

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Speaker 4: in each of his last four games. He also cleared

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Speaker 4: two hundred and eighty passing yards in three of those

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Speaker 4: for those who again we were saying, that's what's fresh

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Speaker 4: in our mind, but for those who had forgotten, the

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Speaker 4: start for Justin Herbert was fat, brutal. In nine of

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Speaker 4: his first thirteen games, he had zero or one passing touchdown.

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Speaker 4: His passing yards in his first four games were one

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Speaker 4: were just dropping him outright at that. He's like, this

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Speaker 4: it's because Jim Harbaugh, you know, his first year head coach,

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Speaker 4: not first year in the NFL, but long track record

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Speaker 4: college NFL. He loves to run the rock and that's

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Speaker 4: what he came in and he did to start the season.

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Speaker 4: But the Chargers, you know, they swerved from that in December.

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Speaker 4: But can you trust that as a trend for the

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Speaker 4: team as a whole or a mirage. I'm leaning mirage

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Speaker 4: here for Herbert, who, by the way, right now people

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Speaker 4: are drafting already bestball teams. He's going off the board

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Speaker 4: as QB fourteen, and like every year, a quarterback is

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Speaker 4: very deep. So I am I'm calling his December a mirage,

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Speaker 4: especially when it comes to drafting him as a top

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Speaker 4: fourteen quarterback. I think the identity of the Chargers is

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Speaker 4: still going to be to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: Got to run better than they did last year, Brian.

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Speaker 4: They do, but their line is I think they're going

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Speaker 4: to bolster that offensive line even more. Spent top five

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Speaker 4: pick on Joe Ault last year. I know as much

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Speaker 4: as I will say this about Herbert sneaky ground production too.

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Speaker 4: In December, yeah, and on the season as a whole,

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Speaker 4: he was just one of eight quarterbacks with more than

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Speaker 4: twenty passing touchdowns and more than three hundred rushing yards.

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Speaker 4: So I kind of cherry picked that stat a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But he's sneaky mobile. But I just feel that the

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Speaker 4: philosophy is still gonna be running the ball. So I'm

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Speaker 4: just this is a mirage for me. I don't see

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Speaker 4: the two eighty three hundred yards multiple passing touchdowns on

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Speaker 4: a consistent basis for Herbert. He's got that ability, but

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Speaker 4: I just don't think that's the identity of the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going mirage.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the reason I was leaning trend,

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Speaker 1: get to that next week. My quarterback Bryce Young Bryce Young.

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Speaker 1: In December, Brian was quarterback six six Bryce Young. Now,

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Speaker 4: I was in multiple, but the Falcons were the best

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Speaker 1: Bryce ye great, he looked great. The bad news he

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Speaker 3: Thanks to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Xavier Lagett had a few big moments last year, but

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Speaker 1: Adam Thielen looked great. We'll talk more about Adam Feeling

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Speaker 3: What do you thank you with me on this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I am men.

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Speaker 4: He's going super late, and I mean he's going well

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Speaker 4: is like in the low twenties when you're baking in price.

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Speaker 4: I'm taking Young over Herbert all day long. And the

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Speaker 4: Panthers not a lock. They's somewhat said at wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: The three guys you mentioned, But there's one slam dunk

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Speaker 4: Multiple rounds, right from where he's getting drafted right now.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the running backs.

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Speaker 1: I've got three, you've got two, so maybe I will

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Speaker 1: I will go first here Rico Dowdell. In December, he

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Speaker 1: He just had a lot more volume because Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: So trand or mirage on Rico Dowdell.

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Speaker 3: I am on mirage.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys are very likely to draft a runner, perhaps

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Speaker 1: He still feels like a change of pace guy. He

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Speaker 4: He did look good, but it was it was kind

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Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott clearly cooked. We won't see much of him

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Speaker 4: it feels like a mirage for Dowdell because Dallas will

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Speaker 4: they could be one of the ones to take Ashton

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Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Taja Spears with that nice December.

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Speaker 1: Bill Parsley on the ongoing nagging injuries that Tony Pollard suffered.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean league winner. I mean Spears is the

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Speaker 4: Very unconventional path to get managers there, though. So in

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Speaker 4: Four carries for five yards. You but he scored a

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Speaker 4: Then in week sixteen, ten carries for twenty seven yards,

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Speaker 4: Pollard played those two games two weeks fifteen and sixteen.

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Speaker 4: He was banged up, like you said, but he was

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Speaker 4: catching it's it's a total mirage sadly for Spears, who

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Speaker 4: you know, we were questioning him a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing on Spears. I think he's forever angel

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. Be thankful for what you got for him.

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Speaker 4: In December in twenty twenty four, because hey, another Tennessee

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Speaker 4: I think we might have one more in the next

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Speaker 1: So we'll take a break back in just a couple

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Fantasy Football Weekly Segment number two.

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Speaker 3: Glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 1: Paul Chargie and Brian Johnson with you. We're working through

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Speaker 1: the running backs that had bigs and whether or not

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Speaker 1: ric O'doubdell Taj Spears earlier, quarterback Bryce Young, Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got a yes, a no, a no,

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Speaker 1: and a no so far. Let's see what happens with

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Speaker 1: Zach Sharbonnet. He was running back eleven in ESPN scoring

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Speaker 3: That's an RB one.

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Speaker 1: His surge was really a reflection of Kenneth Walker and

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Speaker 4: I feel like Kenneth Walker like always has like a

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Speaker 1: He's so good when he's healthy. In those rare moments

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Speaker 1: you can't win on five fantasy points from your running back.

436
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Speaker 1: So you had to know going into the game, was

437
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: is Sharbonay going to get a bunch of volume? And

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Speaker 1: really that's another way of just saying, is Kenneth Walker hurt?

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Speaker 1: And Kenneth Wacker is constantly hurt, but you got to

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Speaker 1: figure out if he's gonna play or not. Now, Seattle

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Speaker 1: brought in a new offensive coordinator, Clint Kubiak, I believe,

442
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Speaker 1: making his third stop as an offensive coordinator. In Kubiak's

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Speaker 1: introductory press conference earlier this week, Brian he raved about

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. He referred to him specifically as the Seahawks'

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Speaker 1: best runner and said he wants to get him the

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Speaker 1: ball in as many ways as possible. That's all for

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, not Zach Sharbonay, and Koubiak plans to run

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Speaker 1: his own scheme, and he says that Walker is a

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Speaker 1: perfect fit for a zone scheme run attack. So and

450
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Speaker 1: he barely mentioned Zach Scharbonay at all. So I think

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Speaker 1: sharbon Ay did did not do enough to move himself

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Speaker 1: into a meaningful time share or take the lead job

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Speaker 1: away from Kenneth Walker. And Walker rolls into next season

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Speaker 1: as the starter and that means that Zach Sharbonay's success

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Speaker 1: in December is a mirage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, you can't buy too much

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Speaker 4: into Charpenay's December back to Walker quick super intriguing. He's

458
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Speaker 4: coming at somewhat of a discount. He's already eighteen right now,

459
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Speaker 4: and the guy's going after him. A lot of question marks,

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Speaker 4: a lot of rookies, I don't know what to expect.

461
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 4: And then it's like David Montgomery, who's one bee, James

462
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Speaker 4: Connor who could fall up. So I like where Walker's

463
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Speaker 4: at right now. Even fifty eight was that it's like

464
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Speaker 4: mid fifth round. That seems like a good value. Just

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Speaker 4: speaking about Walker right now. If he stays healthy, he

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Speaker 4: could return round one, round two value for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Jerome Ford. You'll remember end of year

468
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Speaker 1: the Browns had to put Nick Chubb on injured reserve,

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Speaker 1: and that allowed Jerome Ford to get to get a

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Speaker 1: lot of carries and sometimes it worked.

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Speaker 4: Out sometimes, but really overall it didn't. It was really

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Speaker 4: just a nice two game stretch for Ford in weeks

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Speaker 4: fifteen and sixteen. Week fifteen against Kansas City, who pretty

474
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Speaker 4: much the best run defense in the league. Last year,

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Speaker 4: he had eighty four yards in a touchdown only on

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Speaker 4: seven carries, so there was some flukiness there. And then

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Speaker 4: a week sixteen at Cincinnati, he had eleven carries ninety

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Speaker 4: two yards in a touchdown. Cincinnati one of the worst

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Speaker 4: defenses in the league last year, so he can't read

480
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Speaker 4: into that too much. Then he got hurt in Week seventeen,

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Speaker 4: so super small sample size. So he had the two touchdowns,

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Speaker 4: one in Week fifteen, one in Week sixteen. Outside of

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Speaker 4: those two scores in the fantasy playoffs, Ford only had

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Speaker 4: one other touchdown all season last year, and that came

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Speaker 4: in Week one. Also, the only game Ford had more

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Speaker 4: than eleven carries all season, he had twelve in that

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Speaker 4: game in Week one, So clearly not a bell cow.

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Speaker 4: And as you said, Nick Chubb will be healthier next year.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of like question marks about like who is

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Speaker 4: going to lead this offense, how good are they going

491
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Speaker 4: to be? No idea who the quarterback is going to be.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple other at least one other Brown talk

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Speaker 4: about in the next episode. But as for now, trendor mirage,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you cannot gotta think Jerome Ford is on

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Speaker 4: trend right now. Ford is going off the board as

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Speaker 4: running back forty one, forty four. It pick one, give

497
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Speaker 4: me Nick Chubb four rounds later, all day long? Who's

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Speaker 4: going as RB fifty six?

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Speaker 3: Wow? He's down to fifty six?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Wow, Jubb. Chubb is a steel right now. If

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Speaker 4: you're an early best ball drafter like me, and just

502
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Speaker 4: like the other guys we mentioned before at running back,

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Speaker 4: Jerome Ford could easily be replaced. I like Jerome Ford,

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00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: but he seems a replacement level when it comes to

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Speaker 4: this incoming class of rookie running backs. You know, he's

506
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Speaker 4: still on a rookie deal, so I don't think he's

507
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Speaker 4: gonna be like cut or anything like that. But yeah,

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00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: I think someone could usurp him as as the number

509
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 4: two in Cleveland. He doesn't have lead back potential sadly,

510
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Speaker 4: especially that offense, probably not. Probably not. There's not enough

511
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Speaker 4: discount to even or value right now with four to

512
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Speaker 4: lean trend. So I just got to adamantly say, Mirage,

513
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: stay away right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you two quick running backs that

515
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: I think are both pretty clear mirages.

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Speaker 3: But we'll we'll just talk him through fast.

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Speaker 1: Isaac Grendo finished his running back nineteen despite playing only

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Speaker 1: four games in December, but he was the benefactor of

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00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: all those injuries to the other forty nine ers, CMC

520
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Mason, the preseason injury to Elijah Mitchell. No idea

521
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: going forward. You know who out of that group will

522
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Speaker 1: be back and healthy at the beginning of the season

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00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and where Grenda would slot in. But I'll mention this,

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Speaker 1: when given enough carries, Isaac Garrenda was pretty good in

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Speaker 1: his five games with nine or more carries. He's finished

526
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Speaker 1: as running back twenty five, running back ten, running back two,

527
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Speaker 1: running back twenty three, and running back ten.

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Speaker 3: You know that's not bad.

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Speaker 1: And the Niners offensive line was a disaster in December.

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Speaker 1: They were missing Trent Williams, so managed to be pretty

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Speaker 1: good when he could stay healthy, which was a big

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Speaker 1: problem for him along with the rest of the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers runners. But I just think there's so much

534
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: chaos and pandemonium and different players coming and going out

535
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: of that that it seems unlikely that Isaac Grindo is

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Speaker 1: a trend.

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Speaker 3: We will go mirage there.

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00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: And then Jalil McLaughlin, the Denver running back not really

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00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: fantasy startable, but I'll note that he saw an uptakeing

540
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: work in December and finished the month with five and

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Speaker 1: a half yards per carry, a healthy twenty six percent

542
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Speaker 1: mistackle rate, and to my eyes, he looked like the

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Speaker 1: best of the languishing runners for Denver down the stretch

544
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: last year. He chipped in some receptions, but I swear

545
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: he can catch better than how much they throw to him.

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Speaker 1: I wish they'd throw to him more. He did not

547
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: score in December, and he only had three touchdowns all year.

548
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Not really built for goal line use, but just to

549
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: re emphasize the usage pattern. In weeks one through eleven,

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Speaker 1: Jaleil McLoughlin averaged five carries for twenty one yards. Disaster

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Speaker 1: weeks twelve forward ten carries fifty one yards gets you

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Speaker 1: into flex territory. So you know, I think that Denver

553
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Speaker 1: overhauls their backfield this offseason because they weren't able to

554
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Speaker 1: get significant production, reliable production from anybody. Javonte Williams gave

555
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: him very little audric estimate, couldn't didn't wasn't able to

556
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Speaker 1: do much. It's just you know, Julian McLaughlin with his bill,

557
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: will never be a lead back, but maybe he has

558
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: cemented the number two role. You know, like, he'll be

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Speaker 1: the change of pace back behind whoever they draft, And

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Speaker 1: I believe the Broncos will draft another running back and

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Speaker 1: that guy will probably be the lead. McLaughlin might be

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Speaker 1: the change of pace guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. That Denver backfield's so tough to predict right now.

564
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: Audric Estimay was getting so much steam from Sean Payton

565
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: late in the year, right like, well, we're gonna see

566
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: a ton of estimate this week. He get like four.

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Speaker 1: Snaps right right and winning with him.

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00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: And like and Javonte. Yeah, it is just like any

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00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: one of those guys could be cut Williams, Estima, McLaughlin.

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00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: They probably draft run. Yeah, I'm staying away from that

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Speaker 4: backfield at least until after the draft at the very earliest.

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00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: I'm with you on Mirage on McLoughlin and Corendo, who

573
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: if he gets if he gets the touches, like you said,

574
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: he can produce, but health competition, he kind of gots

575
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: got to stay away. I think, I will say McLoughlin

576
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: and Grendo they do come at a much cheaper cost

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00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: as of right now than the aforementioned running back spears

578
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: Ford Charbone. They're going multiple rounds before those guys, So

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Speaker 4: just stay away from the first three running backs without

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00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: a doubt.

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Speaker 3: Right, probably true? Probably true.

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Speaker 1: All right, with that, let's put a wrap on this show.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna turn around and record next week's show, and

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Speaker 1: we're being transparent about that because I'm on vacation at

585
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: Whiskey Weekend next week and we'll hit the wide receivers

586
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: in the tight ends.

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Speaker 3: Sound good.

588
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: We need to premature speculation like time machine.

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00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, we really do. I don't have that. I

590
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: don't have that sounder. I gotta really I gotta freshen

591
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: up the up the sounds because you know what, we

592
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: don't need anymore.

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 4: Hey, it ain't so you never know, you never know.

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00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: Why don't we use it this year?

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00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's Trubisky hit the field this year as

597
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a reminder, I think it was weak.

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00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is shopping if Aaron Rodgers is still a

599
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Speaker 4: viable quarterback, so it is Mitch Trubisky as part. I'm

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Speaker 4: concerned at this point.

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Speaker 1: If I'm in best ball Aaron Rodgers route, how many

602
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: rounds they go? Like twenty twenty? Yeah, like pick twenty

603
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

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00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's getting It's it's It's like him and

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00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: and Kirk Cousins are like the Dark Bros. Now the

606
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: old man going. And you won't like this in Minnesota

607
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: because Sam Darnold Ball had gone. I'm praying for for

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00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: the Raiders, but uh, Danny Dimes was later rounds two

609
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Speaker 4: sneaky sneaky value.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I think I believe the quarterbacks who will be starting

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Speaker 1: for the world on roster for the Vikings next off

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Speaker 1: next camp will be Daniel Jones and JJ McCarthy, And

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be more of an open battle than

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Speaker 1: people think, just because McCarthy lost that rookie year and

616
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Speaker 1: was not able to do much of anything with it.

617
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Speaker 1: So you know, I there is a scenario here where

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones starts the season and then who knows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I five hundred to one MVP odds. I put

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Speaker 4: a few bucks on it. Wow. Okay, people think I

621
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: dislike JJ McCarthy. Not the case. I just think he's

622
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: gonna take a little time. I don't think you're just

623
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: plugging JJ McCarthy and you're winning double digit games, Sorry too,

624
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy Nation mostly anyway, Yeah, Danny, Danny Dimes, Yeah,

625
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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be like you said, I think

626
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a competition, and I think he could

627
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Speaker 4: beat him out, and he's got skill. And if if

628
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: Koc is truly the quarterback whisper Daniel Jones gonna do

629
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: some damage with the Vikings, have him the chance.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely so.

631
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Speaker 4: Cood JJ McCarthy too, don't get me wrong. But it's

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Speaker 4: going to be a competition.

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00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it will. All right, we will.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week, everybody, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this podcast. Thanks for getting to the end

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Speaker 1: of it. We'll break down the December stars at wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and tight end and tell you if they are

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