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Speaker 1: Good mornings, we were and welcome to the Nodunks Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by Fan Duel. It's Thursday, November thirteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 1: me or over Yonder making the magic happened, super producer JD.

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Speaker 1: There he is.

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Speaker 2: Oh, hello, there we go. Hello.

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Speaker 1: Just the two of us today, the two of us.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Later on we're gonna discuss some of last

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Speaker 1: night's big games, big performances. But first we do have

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Speaker 1: a special guest joining us. Orin Wisfeld is a writer

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Speaker 1: based in Toronto, Canada, and he covers Canadian hoops and

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Speaker 1: he's got his debut book out, The Golden Generation, How

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Speaker 1: Canada Became a Basketball Powerhouse. It's out now go buy

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Speaker 1: it link in the show notes. I really enjoyed this book.

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Speaker 3: Or In.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, and thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thanks, thanks for having me excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: Get some more can Con onto the show. I know

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Speaker 3: it was always I know it was always a priority

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Speaker 3: for you guys. So yeah, I've been following the show

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Speaker 3: ever since the starters' days, and it's really cool to

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Speaker 3: be here.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I appreciate it. Congratulations on the new book.

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Speaker 1: This is the untold story I guess of Canada men's

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Speaker 1: basketball from Steve Nash's breakthrough at the Sydney Olympics in

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Speaker 1: two thousand to then unfortunately decades of sort of struggle

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Speaker 1: and some controversy and missed opportunity. But they're back now.

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Speaker 1: I first want to ask you, when did you start

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Speaker 1: formulating the idea for this Gold and Generation book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like I started covering the Raptors in about

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, mostly for a blog called Raptors Republic, which

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you're familiar. Oh yeah, It's produced a lot

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Speaker 3: of great people in the industry, and I kind of

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Speaker 3: started going to games and seeing more and more Canadians

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Speaker 3: in the league each and every season we're all stars

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Speaker 3: and more guys playing themsels. I really wanted to learn,

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Speaker 3: like we Canadians in the league at any given time,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, there was you know, ten

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Speaker 3: twenty and twenty five to start this season, right, So

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Speaker 3: I wanted to learn why that huge spike, Why had

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden happened, And at the same time,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to kind of square that with what was

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Speaker 3: happening with the national team. You know, I went to Victoria,

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Speaker 3: BC in twenty twenty one, which was when they lost

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Speaker 3: I kept up with their struggles and I wanted to know, like,

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Speaker 3: how come Canada was having so much success at the

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Speaker 3: grassroots level but at the same time the national team

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Speaker 3: was struggling so much. And that's kind of how the

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Speaker 3: idea for the book came to be. And when Canada

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Speaker 3: time in twenty four years, that's when I kind of

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Speaker 3: knew I had a book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great idea because I remember, and I

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Speaker 1: said before on the show, I was in Australia during

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Speaker 1: the two thousand Olympics. I wasn't in Sydney, but I

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Speaker 1: was there and when Canada, led by Steve Nash, was

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Speaker 1: making some noise, winning some games, like obviously, I was

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Speaker 1: Canada basketball is on the rise. And then it is

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Speaker 1: wild that it took what'd you say, twenty four years

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Speaker 1: for them to get back to the international, biggest stage, right,

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Speaker 1: And this is what this book is exploring sort of

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Speaker 1: what went wrong over two decades when it looked like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And like the name of the book, the Golden Generation,

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Speaker 1: So for those that don't know, who did you talk

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Speaker 3: I talked to about one hundred people, you know, of

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Speaker 3: And that was part of the idea for the whole book,

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Speaker 1: You also talked about racism in Canada basketball, in the

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Speaker 1: So it was really enlightening and I think it does

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Speaker 3: But even like the down years going into the two thousands,

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Speaker 3: gonna beat up on the drags of the league because

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Speaker 3: they finally.

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Speaker 4: Have their stuff together right.

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Speaker 3: They play a base level of defense, they move the

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Speaker 3: ball really well, they have a lot of offense talent.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a few things they have to do

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Speaker 3: to take that next step into actually getting towards the

446
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Speaker 3: top of the East and whatnot. But it's exciting for

447
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Speaker 3: Raptors fans just to be kind of this five hundred

448
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Speaker 3: team and I think that's kind of where they're gonna

449
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Speaker 3: level out. But it's exciting because there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: talent on the team. They're pretty fun to watch because

451
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Speaker 3: of how they move the ball on offense and Brandon

452
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Speaker 3: Ingram has obviously been a really fun storyline for Raptors

453
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Speaker 3: fans who have been offensively starved for many, many years

454
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Speaker 3: to watch. And yeah, I'm enjoying it so far.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely more enjoyable.

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Speaker 4: R J.

457
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Speaker 1: Barrett Obviously, being Canadian, his name was in a lot

458
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Speaker 1: of trade rumors or a lot of people say, ah,

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Speaker 1: now that you got Ingram and you got Scottie, maybe

460
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Speaker 1: Barrett gets squeezed, But does it make it more difficult

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Speaker 1: him being Canadian and love being a Canadian and love

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Speaker 1: playing for the Toronto Raptors to move someone like that, maybe.

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Speaker 3: A little bit like I remember messire Jerry a couple

464
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Speaker 3: of years ago when he made all the trades saying,

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Speaker 3: how you know, they wanted people in the building who

466
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Speaker 3: wanted to be there, and the Og trade specifically was

467
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Speaker 3: OG a guy who maybe had wanted a different role,

468
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Speaker 3: hadn't been so happy on the Raptors for RJ. Barrett,

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Speaker 3: who obviously really embraces that, being the kind of first

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Speaker 3: Canadian to really be a star, a player, one of

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Speaker 3: the best players on the Raptors in history. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's a really fun storyline for the fans right now.

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Speaker 3: I think it does make it a little harder to

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Speaker 3: trade him, But the real thing that makes it harder

475
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Speaker 3: to trade him is just the fact that he's been

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Speaker 3: performing at a really high level and not having really

477
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Speaker 3: run plays for him, but just kind of picking up

478
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Speaker 3: the scraps and finding ways to be effective. And I

479
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: think each season with RJ, you know clearly he just

480
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Speaker 3: keeps getting better.

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Speaker 1: And finally, before I let you go, got to get

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Speaker 1: your opinion on the forthcoming USA versus USA versus the

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Speaker 1: World All Star game format here we got some more

484
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Speaker 1: details recently. You're rolling, you're shaking your head. Not a

485
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Speaker 1: fan of this idea.

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Speaker 4: I actually am a fan of it.

487
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Speaker 3: I just I'm not a fan of the fact that

488
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Speaker 3: they changed the whole Star Game every year. I'm not

489
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: a fan of the fact that, like this should have

490
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Speaker 3: been what they did a few years ago at the latest.

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Speaker 4: Last year.

492
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Speaker 3: Whatever happened last year is like the biggest joke in sports.

493
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: They went to like a I don't even know. I

494
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: don't even remember what they did.

495
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Speaker 4: It was so bad.

496
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Speaker 3: But as soon as like Sham's announced it, I was like,

497
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Speaker 3: this is the worst idea I've ever heard. Just do

498
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Speaker 3: USA versus the world? So right, I'm glad they're already

499
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Speaker 3: they're they're finally doing it. And uh, I mean, it

500
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Speaker 3: doesn't really matter if the guys don't play hard.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you think maybe though this

503
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Speaker 1: is the next step, if this goes better, then it

504
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Speaker 1: hasn't passed. Uh, maybe we get like the full on

505
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Speaker 1: team Canada into the mix, so then we have USA, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe Canada, maybe like Europe, maybe maybe we I was.

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Speaker 3: About to say, if we get that, guys will go

508
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Speaker 3: hard like if it's Canada former Yugoslavia, Okay, like eure up,

509
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Speaker 3: then players will go really hard the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm not good. I hope so I'm.

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Speaker 3: Definitely hope so but yeah, I'm a little pessimistic. Till

512
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: we really get that nationalistic fervor going, then the players

513
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Speaker 3: will go hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right well or in congrats again

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Speaker 1: on the book. Everybody go get it makes a great

516
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Speaker 1: Christmas gift, a great holiday gift. The Golden generation, how

517
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: Canada became a basketball powerhouse and listen, we obviously have

518
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Speaker 1: a lot of international viewers and listeners and Americans like,

519
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Speaker 1: you don't got to be Canadian, Okay to read this.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna learn a lot and it's sort of cool

521
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Speaker 1: all the guys that have like come up recently and

522
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Speaker 1: are like flourishing now in the NBA. And you learn

523
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Speaker 1: a lot more like we didn't get into even like

524
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Speaker 1: the whole Wiggans sort of chapter about him. I thought

525
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Speaker 1: that was eye opening, learning more of like his mo

526
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Speaker 1: and sort of expectations that people had for him as

527
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Speaker 1: this high flyer and this super athlete come on, scream

528
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Speaker 1: at people, dunk on people. That's like not him Anyway,

529
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Speaker 1: it is an awesome book.

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Speaker 3: Congrats again, No, I really appreciate it, and yeah, I

531
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Speaker 3: think people of any international basketball scene will We'll get

532
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Speaker 3: something out of it because it mirrors, I think what's

533
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: happening in a lot of countries also with some of

534
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: the struggles that people are having right now in terms

535
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Speaker 3: of developing players and prep schools popping up and all

536
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Speaker 3: this kind of nefarious stuff as well. So appreciate you

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Speaker 3: having me, and like you said, it makes for a

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Speaker 3: good holiday gift, and appreciate everyone's support.

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Speaker 1: I will say, Trey Kirby took offense to you, calling

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Speaker 1: it the Golden Generation. He's like, what golds do you have?

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Speaker 4: Many people have? Ye?

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Speaker 1: All right, Orn, thanks so much, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you soon.

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Speaker 4: Man, all right, take care, all right.

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Speaker 1: let's get into last night's NBA action. I got five notes,

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Speaker 1: I guess JD from all that went down. It was

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Speaker 1: a busy night, twelve games on my God. First note though,

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00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: is injuries. Injuries, injuries, so we got a few to

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Speaker 1: talk about here. Bradley Beal, first off, he had a

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Speaker 1: fracture in his left hip. He's undergoing season ending surgery.

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Speaker 1: He's out for the year. Bradley Beal just done, just

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Speaker 1: like that. Lawrence Frank, the Clippers president of basketball operations, said,

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00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: this is a very, very fluky injury, and people are

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Speaker 1: like trying to find when it happened, and I mean,

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00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: you see it when you think it occurred, and it's

599
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: like what he fractured his hip. It's like, holy crap,

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Speaker 1: we are getting old, aren't they, Clippers.

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Speaker 2: That's me getting out of bed.

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Speaker 1: Everything I know, I know. So he's gone for the year.

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Speaker 1: This is a bad start to the Clippers season here

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Speaker 1: as they've had their injuries and guys out and now

605
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Speaker 1: Beal's got It's not like Beal was playing well, so

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: maybe him being gone the team can get back to

607
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: playing a little more defense. We'll see, but Beal's gone.

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Speaker 1: In another game last night, a couple injuries between the

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Speaker 1: Magic and Nicks. So Palla Carol. He strained his left

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Speaker 1: groin on his twenty third birthday and he's gonna miss

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Speaker 1: the second half or he missed the second half of

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Speaker 1: the game. We'll see what the uh actual diagnosis is,

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Speaker 1: how severe it is, but that would suck to do

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Speaker 1: it on your birthday, Jay, you ever got injured on

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Speaker 1: your birthday?

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Speaker 2: Every birthday?

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Speaker 1: I get it like you got a headache.

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Speaker 2: Oh I get a headache. I feel like I've had

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Speaker 2: a groin injury on my birthday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, buddy, yeah yeah, I damn straight. Oh

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Speaker 1: were you sixteen seventeen? You dirty dug. So he leaves

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Speaker 1: with the strained left groin, and then at the end,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson he injured his right ankle on a drive

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Speaker 1: to the basket. There's like two minutes to go in

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Speaker 1: this game, and he was seen by multiple reporters leaving

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Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden in a walking boot and using crutches.

627
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Speaker 1: And this was the same ankle Bronson sprained last season.

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Speaker 1: He missed fifteen games, and he came back in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and it looked like he sometimes would like damage it again,

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Speaker 1: but he sort of like powered through that. So this

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Speaker 1: sucks again. If this is true that it's like vere

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Speaker 1: enough that he's got the walking boot and the crutches,

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Speaker 1: you assume he's gonna miss some time with an ankle.

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00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: It's already been buggered. But magic beat the Knicks gave

635
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Speaker 1: him their first home loss of the season one twenty

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Speaker 1: four to one oh seven, So Magic are maybe starting

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Speaker 1: to turn it around. Desmond Baine is at least he

638
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: had the game winner, a good game last night. Franz

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00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: Fogner had a good game. So they go into Madison

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Speaker 1: Square Garden and get the w. But all these guys

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Speaker 1: getting injured. Hopefully it's nothing too too serious with Brunson

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Speaker 1: because that's a different team when he's not out there.

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Speaker 1: That guy and he had a great game, And I

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Speaker 1: know I saw some people saying, whoa, where's all the

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00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: hate for Mike Brown. There's two minutes left to go,

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Speaker 1: They're down like fifteen or sixteen. Why's Brunson in there?

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Speaker 1: Why is he playing? Why is he even attacking to

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00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: then step on a foot to roll an ankle. If

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Speaker 1: this was Tom Thibodau, you guys would be going nuts.

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Speaker 1: Maybe some truth to that, uh for sure. If it

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Speaker 1: was Tims, we would be like, what are you doing?

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00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: But again we'll wait to see with both of those injuries.

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Speaker 1: Also of note, John Morant didn't play last night versus

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Speaker 1: the Celtics. Hmmm, they say it was an ankle, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: keeping our eye on that. As John Morana struggled all

656
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: season long. Ankle watch, ankle watch. Yeah. I think more

657
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: is he didn't play because of his pride maybe yeah,

658
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: or something else is going on. We'll see all right.

659
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: Number four on the list here shorthanded calves rally to

660
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: beat the Heat one thirty one sixteen. We had two

661
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: teams coming in. I think they were both seven and four.

662
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: The Cavaliers stopped Miami's four game win streak without their

663
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: starting backcourt. There was no Darius Garland, he's got a

664
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: reaggravated tow issue. No Donovan Mitchell in this one. Mobley

665
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: didn't play in this one either. Now Bam didn't play

666
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: for the Heat. Tyler Hero of course, been out all season,

667
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: so this was missing a lot of guys. So Jared

668
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: Allen is the star. He goes out, puts up thirty points,

669
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: ten boards. I had to look, what was the last

670
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: time Jared Allen scored thirty points in a game. He

671
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: didn't do it at all last season. He did it

672
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: a couple times a year prior to that, So it's

673
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: been a while thirty for Jared Allen spinning his way

674
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: to baskets. Hunter auted twenty one, Lonzo Bell, Lonzo Ball

675
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: excuse me getting the start fifteen points eight assists and

676
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Craig Porter Junior nineteen points nine assists, four blocks. Really

677
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: good coming off the bench for Cleveland. So the Calves

678
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: continue to have the Heat's number. Really, they've beaten them

679
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot despite the Heat beating them in overtime recently.

680
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: Earlier this week, I think on Monday with the Wiggans

681
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: game winner, that was a one forty one thirty eight rare.

682
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: I guess Heat went over the Calves. Generally the Calves

683
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: have their number, but I was missing a lot of guys.

684
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: But Jared Allen, good game, good game for the big

685
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: guy with the FRO. I wonder if he scrubbed his

686
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: feet in the shower after a last night's game.

687
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: But he said he doesn't.

688
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: He said he heat. He said, yeah, He's like, what

689
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? Have a sore back

690
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: or clean bottom of my feet? I mean, I guess,

691
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: if I'm picking, I'd rather have dirty bottom of my

692
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: feet than the sword back if I was seven feet tall. Especially, Yeah,

693
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean, why do they pay people to clean the

694
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: bottom feet?

695
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Right? A little like scrubby in the oh? Yeah, you know,

696
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: a mat of some sort.

697
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they do on the court to get

698
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: the stickiness on their shoes. Just have like the clean

699
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: version of that in the shower. Somebody implement that. Yeah,

700
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: number three on our list. The thunder roll past the

701
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: Lakers improved to twelve and one. There are levels to

702
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: this winning thing. Man, Holy crap. Oka See blew out

703
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: one of its top I guess Western Conference rivals for

704
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: the second straight game. They beat the Warriors one twenty

705
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: six one two on Tuesday night, and then they crushed

706
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: the Lakers last night. This game was over. I would

707
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: say it was over in about sixteen minutes. Yeah, maybe

708
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, oh man, no grish. If Chrish

709
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: turned this one off last night, he was right. It

710
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: was a dominant first quarter, but it was like a

711
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: twelve point lead or whatever. It was like, okay, that's nothing.

712
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: But then the second quarter was a beatdown. I think

713
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: it was a forty to twenty quarter for okay See

714
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: and like it was just amazing. It was so bad

715
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: that the NBA YouTube page put out the compilation titled

716
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: Oksey's best defensive plays from their win versus the Lakers

717
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: because they were like, oh my god, what are we

718
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: even gonna show from this game, I guess, just show

719
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: all these huge blocks, steals stuff like that. So yeah,

720
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: like chet holmgrin blocking eating at the rim. You had

721
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: Aj Mitchell locking up Austin Reeves on a drive attempt

722
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: and coming up with the loose ball. You had Caruso

723
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: poking the ball away from Austin Reeves. Again, it was

724
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: a bad game for Austin Reeves, bad game for Luca

725
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: to nineteen points, seven to twenty shooting, and you're gonna go, oh, well,

726
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: I guess Dort shut them down. They didn't even have Dort.

727
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: This team is so good. They haven't had JDub all year.

728
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. They're twelve and one. They don't have

729
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: dirt in this game, it doesn't matter. Next guy, throw

730
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: them on on Luca or throw them on Austin Reeves,

731
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: take away their two offensive guys. Amazing this team. I

732
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: can't believe I took the under like an idiot. Why

733
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: would I doubt a team what that' SGA as its leader?

734
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Why why would I do that?

735
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: Stupid jd self hating Canadian.

736
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I guess, just like I actually said on the show,

737
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, you win a championship you're

738
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: probably gonna like scale back on your defensive intensity. They

739
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: have a defensive rating right now of one oh three

740
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: point zero. That's significantly better than last year's defense. That's

741
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: how elite it is. So they haven't missed a beat.

742
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: They just rotetate guys in. They have these quarters where

743
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: they run the team out of the gym, usually because

744
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: of their defense turning into off sense. They couldn't hit

745
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: threes to save their life to start the season. Now

746
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: those are going down pretty good consistency. I'm sorry to

747
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: the OKAC fans. Why did I take the under sixty

748
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: mood that day?

749
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: I think maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't know.

750
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: Was it when did we do that show? Was it

751
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: after the Jays lost?

752
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: No, No, this is preseason, this is preseason. But I

753
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I just like, I guess if that line,

754
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: if that line was sixty seven and a half, then

755
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: I feel better to be under. But it was It's

756
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: like pretty low now that I think about it. That

757
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: was stupid. I missed on that one, all right. Number

758
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: two on our list from last night Steph Curry forty

759
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: six points leading the Warriors to the one twenty five

760
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: one twenty victory over the Spurs. I wrote my notes,

761
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: Steph Curry must like Taco Bell because he was eating

762
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: on that Spurs Fiesta court at court A court looked

763
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: even better in like game action. We saw photos of it.

764
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: It's one thing you see photos, but then you get

765
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: the real lights on it and you get players out

766
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: there moving on it and get the camera angles. Oh

767
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: it's so good. Yeah, it's so good. I brought up

768
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: that you gotta go check out the latest short we

769
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: just dropped this morning. JD's son cooking on that one.

770
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that just searches room for you think he might

771
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: be uh partaking when you watch the short even I

772
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: think this kid's on something.

773
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: He's on a heater is what he's on. Man, with

774
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: these shorts, kids creative might be more creative than you dare.

775
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: I say it.

776
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: Well to say it because it's true.

777
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: Showed up to Jackson for doing the Yeah. Anyway, a

778
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: lot of fun with the short. We're talking about the court,

779
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: how it's got Taco Bell vibes, and then it spirals

780
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: into it goes in a direction you don't really see

781
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: coming and people were a little confused. Anyway, It's very funny.

782
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: But back to Curry forty six points. Like I said,

783
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: help the Warriors get sort of like, I don't know,

784
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: like I'm much needed, I guess is a good way

785
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: to put it. They were reeling a little bit. They're

786
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: on this road trip. You know, you got Draymond pointing

787
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: fingers at people, and Crazy's like, it's all right, I

788
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: got us here. He had an awesome, awesome third quarter.

789
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: He started slowly from three, but he started feeling himself

790
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. The three started going. Then he

791
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: just decided, I'm going to turn into Tim Duncan here

792
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: for a couple of possessions. He just stopped banking shots

793
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: left and right, probably because they were playing on the

794
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: Spurs court, but his forty six helped overcome the triple

795
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: doubles from wemen Yama and Castle and Big Jimmy Butler

796
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: game Draymond good defensively all this, but it was sort

797
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: of cool. I'm watching this going like, wow, this this

798
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: really is like not the past, I guess, still the present,

799
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: but sort of the past with the Dynastic Warriors the

800
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: most of their players still there, and then the future

801
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: with Wemby and Castle. It's like, whoa this is? This

802
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: is wild because the game was entertaining, court looked great. Curry,

803
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: not even a throwback performance, just one of these classic reminders,

804
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, yeah, you watch these Curry games, You're

805
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: like every once in a while, you're like, yeah, I

806
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: could still see them if he's healthy. Beating a lot

807
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: of teams in postseason basketball. So that was really really fun.

808
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: Go check the highlights if you didn't watch that one.

809
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: But number one on our list, this guy Man Jokic

810
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: puts up fifty five points in the Nuggets route of

811
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Jokic tied the highest scoring performance in the

812
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: NBA the season with those fifty five points. They won

813
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: one thirty to one, sixteen sixth straight victory for the Nuggets. Now,

814
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: this one's of note here, the fifty five from you'll ktch,

815
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: because it's the first time he scored fifty plus in

816
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: a game that came in a win. We've talked about

817
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: this before any game he ever had, I think, including

818
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs, if he scored over fifty, they lost. And

819
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: that was why everybody's like, make him a scorer, just

820
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: make of a score he wats the pass, they never

821
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: win when he has to go for fifty plus because

822
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to, and then he's got to and

823
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: maybe you have a better chance to beat them. They

824
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: were previously zero to four, but this one they got

825
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: it done. He had fifty two points in three quarters. Okay,

826
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: he outscored the Clippers, starting five by himself. And he

827
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: came back in with like six minutes to go, and

828
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: David Aldeman was even had he had to play like

829
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: the whole like zero disrespect to the Clippers. We had

830
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: to put him back in because they were making a run,

831
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he's our best player obviously helps us

832
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: break the press and all this stuff. So he scored

833
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: three more points in the fourth quarter. But the guy

834
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: basically scored fifty plus. And he did score fifty plus

835
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: in three quarters. The guy's unreal. This is on the

836
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: second night of a back to back two and he

837
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: scored twenty five of them versus thirty nine points in

838
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: the first quarter. And he said this, He had the

839
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: goal to say this. I didn't open the game really good.

840
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: I think I missed like two or three layups. And

841
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: then he was like, and then I got it going. Yeah, okay,

842
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: you had twenty five points. You had a most NBA

843
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: players career high. He had in one quarter and then

844
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: said I didn't even play that well, holy shit, Holy shit.

845
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: So Jokic scored the third most points ever against the Clippers,

846
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: behind only two people in their fun names. Back to

847
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: the Spurs Fiesta themed court, David Robinson and his quest

848
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: for the scoring title in nineteen ninety four. It was

849
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: the season finale. He went for seventy one because he

850
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: was battling Shack. I think he was battling for the

851
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: scoring title. So that was against the Clips. And then

852
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil went for sixty one points against the Clippers

853
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: on his birthday in two thousand. So it's pretty funny,

854
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: like both times it was like there was a real

855
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: reason they were going for it. Yeah, David Robinson to

856
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: get scoring title shocked just because he's like, ah, it's

857
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: my birthday, let's go source sixty plus. But now Jokic

858
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: just did it in his sleep. It felt like, uh,

859
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: what a game. Over his last six games, Yokic is

860
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: averaging thirty five point eight points, twelve boards, eleven assists,

861
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: shooting seventy four percent from the field, and fifty five

862
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: point six from three. And that's what it's happened here.

863
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: The numbers have gone up, up, up since the start

864
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: of season because he's now hitting threes. It was one

865
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: of those weird things. He was just like, couldn't hit

866
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: a three to start. Now he's like I think last

867
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: night five or six from deep, guy's on fire and defensive.

868
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Jokic, you know, focusing on the negative. I do that. Yeah,

869
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: I kind of have a stellar whatever, pick a ball game.

870
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: But in my head, it's those those easys.

871
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, we're all our harshest critics exactly. Yeah,

872
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: and that's why you're that's why you're Yokic, Like, yeah,

873
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: so it separates the good from the great. You're not wrong,

874
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, but it's like, come on, man, just

875
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: also just say I just kicked the shit out of

876
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: that team. They have no chance against me, this against

877
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: a good defender in Zubats. Yeah. No, he's too humble.

878
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: He's humble like a horse. I don't know if that's

879
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: the same. I don't think it is.

880
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: Horses don't strike me as home.

881
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: They're not humble. That's why I don't like them.

882
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: Too proud, they're very proud.

883
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: Other action just quickly, last night, Lamello less Hornets beat

884
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: the Yannis list Bucks so and not a lot of

885
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: takeaways from that one. But Hornets got the win monster

886
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: game from b ball Paul in another Pistons win. A

887
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: lot of guys were sitting in the Bulls Pistons game,

888
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: but b ball Paul comes in there. That team's on fire.

889
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: He filled up the box score. If you had him

890
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: in your fantasy basketball team or in one of your drafts.

891
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: Last night, you're a winning Rockets beat the Whiz. They

892
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: still have the number one offense in the league over

893
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: Denver and New York. Keeping her eye on that. Danny

894
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: Avdia Shadon Sharp, good old Canadian boy sharp right there.

895
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Both had efficient thirty point nights plus against the Pelicans, though,

896
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: Derek a good game. Blazers win. I like that because, yeah,

897
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: Blazers are beating these bad teams. That's great. And then

898
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: the Hawks punked the Sacramento Kings. The Sacramento Kings. Oh

899
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: my god, I too. I turned to ghost Face Ziller,

900
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: a noted Kings fan awesome newsletter. I allude to it

901
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: all the time, or I bring it up all the time.

902
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: Zilla wrote today quote, Sacramento has a strong case as

903
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: the worst team in the West behind the Pelicans and Mavericks.

904
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Poorly built, poorly coached, currently starting two players over the

905
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: age of thirty five. It's not I was gonna say

906
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: the Kings have lost Ziller, but Ziller's you know, outside

907
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: of a few seasons, he's been there, done that with

908
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: this Kings team. But this is really bad. When he's saying, ah,

909
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: we might be worse than these other teams that are

910
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: at the bottom. He might be right. He probably is right.

911
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: What happens here is Doug Christy get fired. What is

912
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: the move they say they're going to blow up this team.

913
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: Christy is even saying, like, h buckle up. We're gonna

914
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: try and trade all these guys as they should, as

915
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: they probably should a year ago. Bad bad vibes, bad vibes.

916
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: We'll probably, uh, well, I know we will. Tomorrow when

917
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: Tray's back for the Drop podcast, we're gonna do our

918
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: all washed teams. We're gonna draft them. Bet your ass

919
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some Sacramento Kings players in the mix.

920
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna have something. We're gonna have age divisions for

921
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: what we do tomorrow, so we'll have some fun on

922
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: the drop. But that's last night, Last.

923
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: Night's action is the beating.

924
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still a thing, but you have to

925
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: win to press it.

926
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're how excited at the beach.

927
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: Oh god, I bought it hook line and sinker man.

928
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: That was the biggest Kings fan in the world for

929
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: like two years there. Yeah, and it's it's crazy. It's

930
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: such a it is such a poorly built team, and

931
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean they are getting destroyed. They lost but like

932
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: thirty plus at home to a fine Hawks team, but

933
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: you know, not a juggernaut by any means bad bad

934
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: bet a right pick them last night is I guess

935
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: the only other game we didn't talk about was the

936
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: Mavericks losing to the Suns. And that's a note because

937
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: tass is still winless even Wow. Myself and Trey yesterday

938
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: were like, you're probably gonna win that, you know, Nico

939
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: Harrison gun his sons are good, but in that has

940
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: maybe get one. They're favored Vegas hadn't favored. No sons win.

941
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: They stay good enough to beat sort of the bad teams.

942
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I love seeing that too, because I had their over

943
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: in the in the preseason. But tass is zero to eight.

944
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: He hasn't won a game here have we ever seen.

945
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: We have never seen this. I never no one. I

946
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's ever gone on this longest streak

947
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: in the twenty years of basically doing this. It's impressive now,

948
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: he said in a I guess we were on sub

949
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: stack and it was inspired by John Schuman, because Schuman

950
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: keeps saying, if Tas shoots the moon, then you guys

951
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: should also have to do Goatee's trey and.

952
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: I, okay, I don't hate that.

953
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't mind it either. There's no possible way that happens.

954
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Like I need somebody that's smarter than I to like

955
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: run the number of odds. The odds are like astronomical.

956
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, for Task to pick in a

957
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: very long month of November, we're gonna get up to

958
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: probably halfway through, we're going to at least fifteen plus. Yeah,

959
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: there's no way, I mean in a way he can

960
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: do it. I mean I want to see it. And

961
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: I said, I'll do it if you go over for

962
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: the month of November. I'll happily do go tea.

963
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is the problem with this. The

964
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: punishment is Task would probably look the best with He's

965
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: gonna look normal with the goatee will look hilarious.

966
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

967
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: I want you want you guys to lose, well honestly,

968
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: I mean no offense.

969
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: You need Task and just keep losing because he's six

970
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: games back, which is quite a lot here. And anyway,

971
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: let's get to tonight's game, uh Toronto at Cleveland. Task

972
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: picked this game just so everyone knows, and he took

973
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers. They're favored by seven in that, so we

974
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: get that must mean some of those guys that sat

975
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: out are coming back tonight. Uh Tray's backing Task though,

976
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: Uh it's a choice. Why it worries me a little bit.

977
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Worries me. I'll take the raps to cover. I got

978
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: a lot of points to play with. It could be

979
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: uh totally fine. They already beat them in the cup

980
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: game last Friday, So yeah, I was a little shocked

981
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: to see Traying not continuing our run here over him

982
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: and I just pick the opposite of what Task picks

983
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: because it keeps working. But anyway, calves by seven and

984
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: a half, so Cleveland's got to win by eight plus

985
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: for Task to stop his streak. I really wanted to

986
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: continue to me too, Me too, Oh my FanDuel to

987
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: turn this into something though, like this is the ultimate

988
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: fade right now. He should be plastered all over their

989
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: website a photo of Task, like pick the officer of

990
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: this guy? Like, come on, all right, that's tonight's today's show.

991
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Thanks again to Oron Wisefelt for coming on,

992
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: talking about the book and talking about Canada basketball, talking

993
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: a little raps there. We'll be back tomorrow. Trey will

994
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: be here with myself and JD. Task is actually back

995
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: in Canada for a quick little trip. He's going to

996
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: see John Legend, is he not?

997
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: That's exactly with him and Danielle.

998
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: And some friends of ours. Yeah. I think I was

999
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna say it's in Niagara.

1000
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: False.

1001
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think Chrissy's there, doesn't doesn't Christy Tigan

1002
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: follow Tasks online?

1003
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: She did?

1004
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: Are they?

1005
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't really talked at one point? Is Eternity a go?

1006
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 4: Now?

1007
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, she's probably there? But why why would you

1008
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: pass up the falls?

1009
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I guess?

1010
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: So?

1011
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Okay? Am I crazier? The last time Task went to

1012
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: see John Legend, he was disappointed. He was in the crowd.

1013
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: The crowd.

1014
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: The crowd was like everybody's sitting in their seats. Yes, yeah, yeah,

1015
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: so hey, if you're going to the show, I guess

1016
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow night in the Falls to see John Legend, bring

1017
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: it for our guy tasting.

1018
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: I think it's I think he's fine. If did he

1019
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: not see him in Vegas?

1020
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. He loves John Legend.

1021
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's alleged head.

1022
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: He's allegend. Tray's a deadhead and tastes Allegend.

1023
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: Follows him around. He's got a little VW bus. That's

1024
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: how he got there.

1025
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: We should we should literally send tasks on a John

1026
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: Legend to the content. We would get it. But anyway,

1027
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: that's why the test won't be here tomorrow, but TK

1028
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: went back. T K will also be here for No

1029
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: Buffs coming up later today, recapping episode eight. Hey, some

1030
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: stuff happened.

1031
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you're right.

1032
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: It was fine. Fine, it's getting better. Good time to

1033
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: get in, goot a great time to get in No

1034
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Buffs on YouTube feed on podcast feed, we'll be talking

1035
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: with Nora's back for that one too. So that's at

1036
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: one pm Eastern over on no Bus YouTube channel obviously

1037
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: flipped into a podcast, so make sure you go subscribe

1038
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: to that listen to that. If you're a Survivor fan,

1039
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: or if you're just a fan of us, we bring

1040
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: a lot of hot takes.

1041
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: True.

1042
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: I know Nora is pretty fired up about the episode.

1043
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: Okay, not the biggest.

1044
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Fan, yeah, okay. But also she started her morning by

1045
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: listening to Jeff Probs his podcast, and she's like, got

1046
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: her air pods in and she's just like stupid, Oh Jesus,

1047
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: shut up already. I guess Jeff was really irritating.

1048
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: Heyeah, he must be shining it up, like just you know, she.

1049
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: Just said he didn't like Jeremy Collins is on it,

1050
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: and she's like, he wouldn't stop talking for twenty minutes.

1051
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: That's kind of his thing, I know.

1052
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: I know. So we'll find out Nora's thoughts on episode

1053
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: and uh and the Jeff Probes podcast. But until then,

1054
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: Clipper Rose turn up so quiet, Clipper.

1055
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: My routing is all mixed up. Every time we have

1056
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: a guest, it's weird.

1057
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, got concerned there for a hot minute.

1058
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh the Canadian internet strikes again. Yeah, every time our

1059
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: new policy, if we have somebody on from Canada, they

1060
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: got a tether to their phones. That's it. That's how

1061
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: it worked for you, remember, Yeah, you're right and.

1062
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: This is a problem, especially in Toronto.

1063
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what Belle Rogers doesn't.

1064
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they're they're incahoots. Man, they are.

1065
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: We started with some cancom ending with some can. All right,

1066
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: braceedate people.