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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it pot? Oh? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: Problems solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: bring it on, slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared,

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Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvc. Well, was really only one

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Speaker 1: question right off the top of Underground, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to get all metaphysical or have you read more

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Speaker 1: into it than what It's just a surface level question

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Speaker 1: that you should be able to answer immediately. Darren Urban,

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, If Cardinal's Underground was voluntary. Would you still

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Speaker 1: be here? That's what I want to know, would you

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Speaker 1: or would you not still be here? You're smiling, Danny,

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Speaker 1: so I take it of course you're already warmed up

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Speaker 1: go and podcasts which we might get into or we

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Speaker 1: might not. I don't know if it's classified info because

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Speaker 1: you weren't real forthcoming in the office moments ago. I'm

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Speaker 1: smiling for your first question. Of course, I'd want to

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Speaker 1: hang out with you guys. Don't you think if I

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Speaker 1: had a problem, I would have gone to our boss

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Speaker 1: and requested to be taken off the podcast? Paul whoa, whoa? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I would never I see or at least undermine us

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Speaker 1: don't really see it for myself as being volunteered. I'm

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Speaker 1: whose fault is that? Well, I'm just saying it's it's

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Speaker 1: kind of answer I kind of expected ship, you know,

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Speaker 1: his own answer. He didn't really play along with the question.

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Speaker 1: All right, just you know it just he he's a nonconformist,

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Speaker 1: is what he is. What about you? Paul? Would I

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Speaker 1: be here? I would, but it would be remote question.

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Speaker 1: Is that why? That is great? Addition? I wondered, like

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Speaker 1: Protocols have been bail been dialed back for a while obviously,

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Speaker 1: how did it go out there? By the way, because

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Speaker 1: That's right? Thank you for this, Paul. There is a

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Speaker 1: new content series coming out later this week from when

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Speaker 1: we are recording this podcast. It's called Game On. It

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Speaker 1: is just a fun, comfortable, casual way to get to

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Speaker 1: Rondale Moore. I'm not going to give away what game

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Speaker 1: do them. And just to clarify, Paul, aren't all mock

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Speaker 1: same page there, Danny Um. You know what you need?

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Speaker 1: ten days out. Peter Schrager has the Ears on a

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Speaker 1: Cardinals number twenty three overall, selecting Zion Johnson, offensive guard,

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Speaker 1: But but JJ said what was true of as long

426
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Speaker 1: as he's here for the first game to play good football.

427
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Speaker 1: That's all I care about. Well, I mean again, sometimes

428
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: you got to think about what you're asking. I mean, Nope,

429
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Speaker 1: even if he was horribly concerned, he's never going to

430
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Speaker 1: say he is so. But but now I'll go halfway

431
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Speaker 1: between which he's not. I mean, Danny, I only agree

432
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Speaker 1: with that to a certain degree, you know, because when

433
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Speaker 1: they get on the field, then yeah, that's football, and

434
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: that's part of developing the chemistry that AJ Green was

435
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Speaker 1: asked about that we're going to talk about in the

436
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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage. I guess was just quoted in Pro

437
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Speaker 1: Football Talk courtesy of Darren's article and as Cardinals dot

438
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Speaker 1: Com some of that chemistry that was lacking last year

439
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: between Kyler and and AJ Green in particular. Yes, that

440
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 1: can be formulated and forged in the off season, but

441
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: if you can't even get on the field right now,

442
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Speaker 1: then it's then it's a move point, which is one

443
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Speaker 1: of the reasons I asked you the question. So what's

444
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Speaker 1: gonna end up happening is you're gonna have there's three

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Speaker 1: phases of the offseason where you're gonna get through a

446
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of this. Then they'll be Phase one,

447
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: which is the offense and defense can both be on

448
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: the field without helmets, but they can only be on

449
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: their own, so the offense can do some walkthroughs of

450
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: their stuff and defense can do walkthroughs of their stuff.

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00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: Phase two is h once again no helmets, but the

452
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: offense and defense can face each other and some very

453
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: limited stuff and you can see what it's like if

454
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: there's a defensive defensive player in front of you if

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Speaker 1: you're on offense. And then Phase three is is when

456
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Speaker 1: you get the helmets, and it's full goes spring football,

457
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: tackle to the No, no, it's it's just it's essentially helmets.

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Speaker 1: It's Phase two plus helmets. You're not supposed to really

459
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Speaker 1: be doing anything else, and even in mini camp you're

460
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: really not supposed to be doing much of anything anymore

461
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Speaker 1: in terms of contact. This is supposed to be about

462
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: learning the playbook. It's not supposed to be about getting

463
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Speaker 1: your body in shape to play football like that, like

464
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be in shape, but it's not. It's

465
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: not hitting, it's not tackling, which is why BA used

466
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: to use the same line every spring every spring. It's soccer,

467
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: not football. It's guys in shorts running around and there's

468
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Speaker 1: no contact and so okay, which technically is still football.

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Speaker 1: And look now more than ever in the reason I

470
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: brought up Kansas City, Danny and you saw the same

471
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Speaker 1: thing as according to the story I read, Andy Reid

472
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Speaker 1: decided to make voluntary offseason workouts a virtual exercise this season.

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Speaker 1: He literally told the team he encouraged them to just

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Speaker 1: zoom into the voluntary meetings. He said, rather, I don't

475
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Speaker 1: even want you to attend in person that we've played

476
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Speaker 1: more football than any other team in the last four years.

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Speaker 1: Take the off season to get in shape, but do it.

478
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Speaker 1: You're at the destination of your choice. And so instead

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Speaker 1: of everybody coming to Kansas City it's cold and raining.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to be in a warm weather locale,

481
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Speaker 1: this is Andy Reid, now, then go ahead. And because

482
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Speaker 1: of that, a number of Chiefs players have gone to

483
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Speaker 1: where Patrick Mahomes is in Texas and they've been pulling

484
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Speaker 1: to Tom Brady with the Buccaneers and running their own deal.

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Speaker 1: And I guess apparently out there, and I would I would.

486
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Speaker 1: I would think more quarterbacks are like this. But if

487
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes goes to Andy Reid and says I would

488
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Speaker 1: rather not be there, I'm going to do this on

489
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Speaker 1: my own. I mean that's kind of like, that's kind

490
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Speaker 1: of where it gets started. I mean, all do respect

491
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Speaker 1: to Andy Reid. Do we am? I am? I believing

492
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Speaker 1: now that Patrick Mahomes was always going to just come

493
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Speaker 1: to Kansas City and then Andy Reid said no, no, no,

494
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Speaker 1: go ahead and hang out in Texas. Why don't have

495
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: the feeling that Patrick Mahomes said, hey, coach, I'd rather

496
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Speaker 1: do this on my own. I'm going to be back

497
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Speaker 1: in Texas. And then Andy Reid took the ability to say, well,

498
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Speaker 1: let's so they reverse engineered. I mean, I said, that

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Speaker 1: would be my guests, very plausible, feasible. Yeah, you know, understandable. Absolutely,

500
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm a very cynical old person. You don't say, by

501
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: the way, was James Connor asked about Kyler's absence, Yes,

502
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: and he said, quote, no big deal, we know he's working.

503
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: Was JJ Watt asked yes? And he said, and I

504
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: quote all I need him to be there for is

505
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: the first game of the season and play good. Well,

506
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: you are going to need him for there, you know,

507
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: mini camp and for training camp and for the preseason.

508
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Although we'll see how many snaps he gets, etc. But

509
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: so you know, just because Kyler isn't here and a

510
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: number of other players aren't at the Cardinals offseason workouts,

511
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's going to stop the chatter. Well, this

512
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: is kind of random, but not really thinking about Kyler

513
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: and people talking about him not being here for voluntary workouts.

514
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: Thinking about the social media fiasco, I don't know if

515
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: i'd say fiasco that a couple months ago, Kyler with

516
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: the Instagram and the Cardinals picture, I'll say it was

517
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: a fiasco him scrubbing the Instagram. Yes, So here's my question.

518
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: You guys been seeing online, you know, other players taken

519
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: out A J. Brown taking out Tennessee from his Twitter bio,

520
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: and I mean I feel like that's not I mean,

521
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are different, but I'm like, what the heck? Well,

522
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: although I will say that none of those players have

523
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Speaker 1: held back than going on social after that and basically

524
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: saying we want our new contract. I'm just saying other players,

525
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: it's just something I've noticed that was all. Yeah, Well,

526
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: it's that's the time we live in, Danny. It's your demographic.

527
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: These are all your peers, my peers. I'm not that

528
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: savvy with social media. You say that now wait till

529
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: Tim Delaney checks out and you've taken off Arizona Cardinals

530
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: from your bio. We're gonna all have to wonder about that.

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00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that's next year's April fools prank, which, by the way,

532
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: for those who have been listening, Grayce and Choy videographer

533
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: editor producer extra Anaire, who I car pool with. Oh yeah,

534
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: we were car pooling last week and she nonchalantly brought

535
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: up the Nicholas Cage fun fact text messages she was

536
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: getting on April first, and she knew it was me.

537
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: And you know how she knew it was me because

538
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: she listens to the podcast. Nobody said building. Somebody in

539
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the building is listening to the podcast at her desk.

540
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: By the way, she just got promoted, and I wanted

541
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Speaker 1: to just say she totally deserved it. Yeah, so so

542
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: she does know about the April Fool's prank, she liked it.

543
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: Turns out she's actually a Nicholas Cage fan, which I

544
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: didn't know was a thing, to be honest, So it

545
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: worked out quite well. Well, you know, it's a point

546
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: of listening now for Grayson, because that's five straight weeks

547
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: there's been a name drop. You know, included here on

548
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground. So there you go. That's you know, so

549
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: all right, anything else to be said on the whole

550
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: Kyler front because NFL Network, you know, has been uh

551
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: definitely filling the airways with plenty of Kyler talk baby,

552
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: you know. And it's Tom Pellacero reported recently. I think

553
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: it was a last week that you know, Kyler is

554
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: not expected to play this year without a new contract.

555
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: So there's all these different sorts of headlines that are

556
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: out there, and we'll see exactly what happens as we

557
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: track towards the draft. I mean, I my gut says

558
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: something that's done before the season. That's just my gut.

559
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. You know, We'll see what happens,

560
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: but I just don't know. Somebody asked if I was

561
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: worried about it, and that's just not going to work

562
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: for me, because, as I tweeted back, I said, I

563
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of things in my life that I

564
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: worry about. A football roster is not one of them.

565
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: You know. I covered the team. Whoever they put out

566
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: there is who I'm going to have to cover. You know,

567
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I would like for them to do better because it

568
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: makes my job easier. But in the end, I got

569
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: no control over it anyway. So it is, but it is.

570
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: Let me know what the news is. So what do

571
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: you guys make of what aj Green said when he

572
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: was asked about the chemistry between him and Kyler on

573
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Speaker 1: the field, where he said, among other things, quote, there's

574
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: a lot of room to grow end quote. And you know,

575
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: he was pretty frank. He was pretty forthright both on

576
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: the Zoom and then also in our Big Red Rage interview.

577
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: And at one point I asked him, I said, look,

578
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the fans would site that you and

579
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Kyler weren't on the same page often enough. Fair or unfair?

580
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: And he said fair. He said one hundred percent fair,

581
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: and aj Green, to his credit, owned it. But there

582
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: is definitely room for improvement when it comes to the

583
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: passing game and the quarterback clicking with a lot of

584
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: his main receivers. You're right, that's a great question to him,

585
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: because that was no secret. If you were looking at

586
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: whether it was the route running or where the pass

587
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: was thrown or anything like that, the communication did not

588
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: seem as consistent as you would have liked. So I

589
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: think that was totally fair, and I liked that AJ

590
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: owned it in the press conference and he was saying,

591
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, I, you know, I want Kyler to, you know,

592
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: tell me more like, hey, I need you do this,

593
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: this and this, and I need to be more upfront

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Speaker 1: with him about you know what I'm seeing, what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, working on that communication. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's totally fair from what we saw a couple of

597
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: times last season on from our standpoint, what looked just

598
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: like misscommunication. He even said, you know, and think about

599
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: Aj Green. It was a pro bowler his first seven

600
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: years in the league. He's in year eleven. And he

601
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: even said at one point if Kyler, if he needs

602
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: to air me out, I can take it. I'm a

603
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: grown man. If he needs to yell at me because

604
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: I screwed something up and I should have been here

605
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: when I was there and vice versa, then you know what,

606
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: let me have it. And quite honestly, the Cardinals needed

607
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: this passing offense wasn't in sync often enough. They need

608
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: to get that sort of chemistry that we all saw

609
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: on display in this Super Bowl winning drive where Matthew

610
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Speaker 1: Stafford was going to Cooper Cup and he was the

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Speaker 1: only receiver basically left on the field and down the

612
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Speaker 1: field they went, and he was four for four on

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl winning drive and there was double and

614
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: triple coverage and it didn't matter because Matthew Stafford and

615
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup were completely in sync and that ball was

616
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Speaker 1: on the money the moment that Cooper Cup got out

617
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: of his break. And that's what you're striving for. At

618
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: least to me, that is job number one in the

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Speaker 1: off season, because, like we talked about the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: how much can you really improve in the offseason. There's

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Speaker 1: no contact. We all know what James Connor's about. You

622
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: can't see what's great about James Connor until it's full contact,

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00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: full go football. But you can in the offseason work

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00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: on that chemistry, the ball coming out in sync on time,

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00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: receivers in the right spot, just a foot or two

626
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: in front of a dB. You know you can, as

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: we know, we can get a sense of whether a

628
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: corner can play or not, and whether they can cover

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00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: or not in an offseason. The Cardinals started to get

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00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: good vibes on a Marco Wilson and the rookie minicamp, like, okay,

631
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: this kid like Christian Kirk totals in a big red rage.

632
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: The kid was not getting toasted. He might get beat,

633
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: but he wasn't getting beat badly like a lot of

634
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: rookies are. He was competing. He was stepped for step

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00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: with most guys most of the time. And so you know,

636
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler at that point was already already on notification that, hey,

637
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have some competition for that starting

638
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: corner job, which ended up being Marco Wilson's by an

639
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: end of camp. And so, by the way, Malcolm Butler

640
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: is on the Patriots roster now right, Yes he is.

641
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: He signed with the Patriots and met with the media

642
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the other day for the first time since he retired

643
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: and basically said he was not mentally ready to play

644
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: last year with the Cardinals and that's why he decided

645
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: to retire. And you know why he wasn't mentally ready,

646
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he seemed pretty mentally ready when

647
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: training camp started. But it is what it is, and

648
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: they moved on. It's a demanding game and he'd been

649
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: playing it for a long time. So okay, But I

650
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: ultimately I would agree with you on the timing. I mean,

651
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: I think I think there are some limits to what

652
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: you can get out of the off season. I don't

653
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: think it's the end of the world. If you don't

654
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: get as much work together in the off season. It'd

655
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: be nice to work on it. But again, if you've

656
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: got all of training camp to do that stuff, I don't.

657
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need months and months of it.

658
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Like I think, if you're all together at training camp

659
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: and everybody's healthy, which is you got to see if

660
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: you weren't, if you weren't able to get together in

661
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: the off season, I don't. I don't know if it's

662
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: that big of a deal to be Now, Again, there's

663
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: other things a play here right now, which is, on

664
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: one hand you're talking about the quarterback and the receiver's

665
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: getting on the right same page, and then the other

666
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: hand you're talking about, okay, there's speculation over what might

667
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: happen with a quarterback and could he not be at

668
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: places and stuff. And again, I I just I have

669
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: a feeling this gets worked out before we get to

670
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: training camp. I don't know that, but I I just

671
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: that's people have asked me a few times what my

672
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: feelings are on this whole situation, and you know, again,

673
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to what I was saying before,

674
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: which is my feeling is they're either going to get

675
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: a contract done or they're not, or Kyler's gonna be

676
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: here or he's not. I don't I can't get worked up.

677
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: I know this. I think you need a quarterback to

678
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: win in this league. I think they think they have

679
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: one in Kyler, and I think Kyler's done enough to

680
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: show that he can be that guy. Does he need

681
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: to keep improving, of course he does. But I've also

682
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: covered this team as you have Paul with Max Hall

683
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: and John Skelton and Ryan Linley and Kevin Cobb and

684
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Derek Anderson, and it's not fun to cover a team

685
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: when you're in that position. Even when Carson got hurt

686
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: at the end of his time and you saw Blaine Gabbert,

687
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: who's a nice guy, and they even won a couple

688
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: of games, but you're not winning anything big, you're not

689
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: winning divisions. So I don't know why some fans would

690
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: want to move on at this point. I would think

691
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: you'd want to try and make this work because this

692
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: is your best chance right now, unless you're you're gonna

693
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: tank and try and find that guy in the draft,

694
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: and that's even not any lock. I mean, think of

695
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: the teams that need quarterbacks right now. Panthers are picking

696
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: at six, Seahawks are picking at nine. Heck, even the

697
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Lions picking at two with Jared Goff, and yet they're

698
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: picking that high and there's no quarterbacks in there that

699
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: you're thinking are going to be that guy. So it's

700
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: look at the Steelers at twenty. Why would you want

701
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: to I just that part I don't get. Why would

702
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: you want to move on when you might have that guy?

703
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, paying a quarterback a crap

704
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: ton of money, That's that's just what it is. Everybody's

705
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: got to get over that part of it. That's what

706
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: it's becoming. It's been that way, it always has been

707
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: that way. It's more now than it was two years ago.

708
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: But two years ago it is like, oh my god,

709
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: and for two years from now it's going to be

710
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: even more. Of course it is. I mean, the quarterbacks

711
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: are gonna get paid the most. Let's just let's just

712
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: stop with that. They're gonna get paid a lot of money.

713
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is gonna get paid a lot of money.

714
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Is he the greatest quarterback in the world. No, But

715
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: if you don't have Kirk Cousins. The Vikings are. I

716
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: know they're not great right now, but there they'd be

717
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: terrible if they didn't have Kirk Cousins and they just

718
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: had some schmo see, which to me brings us back

719
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: to Kyler's agent. It really does. You're gonna get paid,

720
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get paid a lot of money. But

721
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: if your agent is at odds with the team, is

722
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: the team any more app to give you a contract

723
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: on your timetable after the antics and manner in which

724
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: you try to negotiate it publicly. It's just human nature.

725
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: You're not going to acquiesce to the agent's demands in

726
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: that timetable. If nothing else, it's bad business because it

727
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: sets a bad precedent. Other players might feel like they

728
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: can strong arm a club, and so I think, if anything,

729
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: it's more app that the club would wait to do

730
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: it on their own timetable as opposed to oh we

731
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: will indeed yes sor get it done before the draft.

732
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm not sure that Kyler's agent has

733
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: done him any favors. In fact, I set it back

734
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: in January after the scrubbing in the instagram and then

735
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: the All Caps manifesto. I would have fired the agent

736
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: because there's a certain percentage of the fan base to

737
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: Darren's point, who's upset with the quarterback is upset with

738
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: the player. And I would have blamed it all on

739
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: the agent, fired him, moved on, hit the reset button,

740
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: and then also try to also rehabilitate my personal brand

741
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: a little bit just blaming it on the agent. Again.

742
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to some of my tried

743
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: and true here, Paul, which is, one, if a contract

744
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: gets done, nobody's gonna care. And two, if a contract

745
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: is done or not, if Kyler doesn't perform, well, that's

746
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: that's that's what's going to determine what people think. If

747
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't, all this other stuff doesn't matter. If he wins,

748
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna care. And if he doesn't play well, it

749
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. If they had like they had tea and

750
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: crumpets together the whole time and we're hugging and singing Kumbaya,

751
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter, you know. It's it's about ultimately what

752
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: happens on the field. This other stuff is good to

753
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: talk about, and it's going to be uh it's it's

754
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: gonna be fodder on podcasts like this or talk radio

755
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. But in the end, people are gonna stop

756
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: talking about it because it's gonna be about results. I mean,

757
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: we go back, go back to like when Matt Leiner

758
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: was here, which obviously predates Danny because she was in kindergarten.

759
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: But uh, when Matt Leiner was here and you know,

760
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: people were talking about it, should it be Kurt Warner?

761
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Should it be Matt Leiner? Especially that beginning part where

762
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Matt had just been drafted and Kurt was the starter

763
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: and things weren't going well. I'm like, the quarterbacks always

764
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: gonna be I mean, you you were around the Dak

765
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: Prescott stuff with a contract. Every is Dak Prescott worth

766
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: the money? Should they just stick with I don't even

767
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: remember who the other quarterback was at the time. I

768
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: mean Cooper Rush, Cooper Rush. I mean that's why, that's

769
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: just well, that's what everybody does. You know, even when

770
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: Dak first had his great first year with the Dallas,

771
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: when they were solid as a rookie with her. Yeah, well,

772
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: the whole story here was Bruce arians why didn't you

773
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: draft Dak Prescott? He lasted till the fourth round. Carson

774
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: Palmer is getting old as dirt. Why didn't you draft

775
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: this guy? Now look what he's doing and you could

776
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: have had him in the third round because at the

777
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: time Bruce basically said he didn't didn't it wasn't impressed

778
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: by Dak Prescott and he didn't want to take him.

779
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: And that again, that's fine. But again I'm going back

780
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: to the point that it doesn't matter. All these names

781
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: can change, doesn't the quarterback's gonna get talked about. Okay,

782
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: two things numb one Ken Wizzenon was plagued by that

783
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Cardinals didn't draft Russell Wilson lasted to the

784
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: third round. Here's the other thing. If you want to

785
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: bring up Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott, didn't the Cowboys

786
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: drag their feet for almost two full years before they

787
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: got that deal done. Right, And so here we are,

788
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: it's the beginning of his fourth year in the league.

789
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Whereas no other quarterback, there's only been six other quarterbacks

790
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: after year three. You know, big name guys who got

791
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: that big contract. And it was all in June, July, August,

792
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: or September. And so now you're you're trying to set

793
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: a precedent into how timely and how quickly be able

794
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: to turn a contract when you know, and look, let's

795
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: not diminish or overlook the last impression that Kyler Murray made,

796
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: which was in the playoff loss, which for my money,

797
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: was the worst performance of his NFL career, say maybe

798
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: the first half against the Detroit Lions and his opener

799
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: and in the NFL opener, I mean it was not good.

800
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: And so you wonder if maybe that's given the decision

801
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: makers a little bit of pause, maybe a little bit.

802
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: Both sides are always going to try to have leverage.

803
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: That's what I see Kyler's agent doing. I don't know

804
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: if it's too far to say they are at odds

805
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: in their butting heads and going back and forth. I

806
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know enough about what each side, I guess, has

807
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: been asking for or offered. But I agree I think

808
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: putting out the letter before the combine in February was

809
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: very premature when you look at when a lot of

810
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: these quarterback deals get done later in the summer. Now,

811
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: if Kyler Murray had been in a situation more similar

812
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield, where you knew he didn't want to

813
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: be there, both sides had it was known ready to

814
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: move on. I would understand that more so of the

815
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: agent saying we want to know for going to get

816
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: a contract extension before the draft and before teams start

817
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: bolstering their roster and figuring out their depth chart the

818
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: start of it. I understand that that, to me is

819
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: not the situation that Kyler Murray is in from my understanding,

820
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: So the fact that they were trying to push to

821
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: figure this out before the draft, to me, doesn't really

822
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 1: seem like that helps their case because I don't see

823
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: that as a situation where that would really make sense

824
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals to try and trade him otherwise. So

825
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: that to me, too, is why it just seemed so

826
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: early to put out that letter of this is what

827
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: we want, we want it before the draft, we want

828
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: it immediately. Here's why he deserves it. I don't take

829
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: it as the Cardinals don't think maybe Kyler Murray deserves that.

830
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: I just think it's a little early. There's still so

831
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: much more that's unknown than known. For we have no idea.

832
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Maybe the agent has been tasked with get a deal

833
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: done before the draft, or you're out, who knows, because

834
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: the urgency is almost irrational in some ways. He got

835
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: a deal for Cliff Kingsbury. Does that count for him?

836
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: And there have been other reports by NFL Network recently

837
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals have yet to make an offer of

838
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: any sort, so who knows what to believe? Has been

839
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: a variety of reports. Once again, there's more unknown than

840
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: known for my money, and we'll see if there's anything

841
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: by the draft. But I don't expect. I don't expect

842
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: some franchise record contract to be offered up by next

843
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Thursday night. And I'll say I think it's going to

844
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: get done. I don't. I don't think it's going to

845
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: be before the draft. There's too many other things going

846
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: on right now. So so and we'll continue into monitor

847
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: what exactly is going on. I just don't want to

848
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: happen on the usacation because then it's a pain. And

849
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: they asked for me to deal with because look, I'll

850
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: just say, you have no idea how much it's about me, Danny.

851
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: I'll just come full circle of this going back to

852
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes for example, like obviously they lost Tyreek Hill,

853
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: but they also lost DeMarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle and

854
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: they brought in Juju Smith, Schuster my guy, and Mark

855
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: has Valdez Scandling right there. So he has new receivers

856
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: to work with, and those guys are together and they're

857
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: working in Texas somewhere. So let's not dismiss the offseason

858
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: as as being important for the Arizona Cardinals as well.

859
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it is a valid question

860
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: when when they're actually able to get on a football

861
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: field and out of the weight room, then we'll go

862
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: ahead and and pose that question, right, Because remember, Kyler

863
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: Murray has been around the facility. We've seen him, So

864
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: it's not like he hasn't been here all off season

865
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: and he's still not here for voluntary workouts for the

866
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning program. It's it's not like he's been

867
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: not around, Right. We can't say that when jj WAT

868
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: put out the video the butt butt butt butt butt

869
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: and there's Kyler in the background, that was not the

870
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: first time Kyler has been spotted in the Cardinal's weight

871
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: room in the off season, right, That that was not

872
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: That wasn't like some sort of revolutionary happening. Correct? Are

873
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: we am I remiss for citing that I haven't been

874
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: down there every day, but I had seen him there

875
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: and there a couple of times for sure. Okay, there

876
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: you go, thank you, thank you for having me. I'm back.

877
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: My keyster was blown in the wind on that one, Darren.

878
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: So that was good. That was good over there, Glad

879
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: we could bring you back on board. By the way,

880
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: any other takeaway from JJ watt and meaning that he

881
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: got any question about the injury and he was shortened

882
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: to the point Kurt on that one. Yes, I that's

883
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: not my preference to get injured. Next, Yeah, that was

884
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: in Yeah, you gotta be very careful about how you

885
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: word some of these questions. Yes, I gotta. He did someone,

886
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: did you know, ask him briefly about he was posting

887
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: recently he spent a week in London and he was.

888
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, JJ's a funny guy, especially on social media.

889
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: Him posting pictures by the door and he's taller than

890
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: the door frame and whatever, I'm taller than in England,

891
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: the Harry Potter stuff and he doesn't even watch. But

892
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: there was somebody out there who ran into him. And coincidentally,

893
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: this woman was wearing socks with JJ's face on them.

894
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if you happen to be wearing those

895
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: socks and you happen to see that person in a

896
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: completely different country. I mean that is so cool, I

897
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: don't know, cool or almost terrifying? You know? Actually, I mean,

898
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: do you actually wonder, okay is this fan saying? I mean,

899
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: should I have a joke? You know, JJ Watt's got

900
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: a license socks with his face on him or he's

901
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: got to know that they're out there. So if they're

902
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: out there, that means somebody's bought them. So if somebody's

903
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: bought them, why would that freak you out? I guess now,

904
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: if you made homemade socks with like with like you

905
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: cut out photos and the like, taped them on socks

906
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: and then pull them up, which I think I've actually

907
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: seen those of Paul klvci around, then I would be

908
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: very very a phrase. See, I wonder homemade socks on

909
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: my face on? People are putting pins into them like

910
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: a voodoo doll, that's what they're doing. I wonder which

911
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: athlete or celebrity I would buy socks with their face

912
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: on them. I don't know that there is one, but like,

913
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, that's a good question.

914
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: All right, Well you get you get one answer, you

915
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: get one answer, one answer only. Next week. Last week's

916
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: question when we got I'm ready to answer it. Now,

917
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: pick me my arms up in the air. All right,

918
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I'll go with an Arizona connection. I'll go with Maynard

919
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: James Keenan, the lead singer at Tool and a shout

920
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: out to to Jerome. I'll throw his face on there.

921
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, he puts his face on all the other

922
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: He as a He's a man of a million faces,

923
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: just like Frank Kelly and knows a man of a

924
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: million voices. So you know, I'm gonna wait a week

925
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: and think about it. We're gonna we're gonna broach the

926
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: subject again. Don't let me forget about the socks question now, okay,

927
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: because I've got socks with my dogs faces on them,

928
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: but I don't have any with a human. See that's

929
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: the creep. That was a gift. Okay, it was a

930
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: funny no from my sibling. And it's a pretty good

931
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: job of taking the picture and putting them on the

932
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: socks for whichever company did that. I'll wear them, I

933
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: believe you. I'll wear them next week. Oh you won't,

934
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: because you'll be out doing sports with a player and

935
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: it will be one hundred and five degrees and you'll

936
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: be like why am I wearing socks? I'll bring them

937
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: to put on for the podcast. Okay, back in the

938
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: days when we could go in malls and you see

939
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: those little boutique shops and they have like the socks store,

940
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: they still have some of those. I always wondered, like

941
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: the old town. I guess I don't value socks enough

942
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: just as a human being, because, like I could, how

943
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: is that store? Via how can they do? I think

944
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: that stuff all the time. I think that stuff about

945
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: things that when you're buying stuff that are like ten

946
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: dollars or less, and I'm like, how do these stores

947
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: stay in business? How do you do enough? How do

948
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: you how do you say a product as they say

949
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: in the business right velocity? That's one of those terms

950
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: of wolf you Suhen He had his restaural store, Like,

951
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: how how does a candle store stay? I love a

952
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: good candle. Okay, they're cheap if you get a good candle,

953
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: that's how Why how expensive are they? I don't know.

954
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: It just depends if you're getting the big ones can

955
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: go up of like fifty sixty dollars. Yes. When I

956
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: was six, I went to camp at Phoenix Zoo and

957
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: it was the middle of the summer, and it was horrible,

958
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: and I still hate my mom for making us go

959
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 1: out for three hours outside when it was one hundred

960
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: billion degrees. But we had to build these these candles,

961
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: and all we had to do is dig some a

962
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: hole in the sand. We poured some wax in thing

963
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: that wasn't worth fifty dollars, but it certainly wasn't that

964
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: much different than whatever. You're probably didn't have a good scent,

965
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: probably didn't have a long wit to last zoo scent.

966
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Probably you know, I would probably pay someone to take

967
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: the candle from me. Darren, Is your mom a prepper?

968
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: Did she send you to a survival camp? Oh? It

969
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: was like, we're home. Oh, we gotta see the thing

970
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: is is like, you know again, I'm from Michigan originally,

971
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: so when we first moved to Arizona, you know, the

972
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: parents want to like and first of all, I'm so

973
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: old there. You know, there's no cable, there's no like stuff.

974
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: If you're you're either gonna read books inside or you're

975
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna play outside, or we had to. Fortunately, we had

976
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: a pool in our backyard, so you go swim. You

977
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: can only do that so much so in the summer

978
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: when we didn't have school. She's like, Okay, what am

979
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: I going to get these kids to do? So I

980
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: don't have to sit around and make do stuff with

981
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: them all day. So we went to this the Phoenix

982
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: Zoo would have like this week long camp, and you

983
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: went from like it was probably like eight to eleven

984
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: my guesses. But it was outside the whole time, and

985
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: it got hot, and I don't like it. Did your

986
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: candle already melt before you got home? No, because I

987
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: feel like we we built because we like built it

988
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: one day and then the next day we dug it

989
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: up and took it home. No, my candles are better

990
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: than that, not fifties dollars better than that. Don't don't

991
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: bring up the pool. By the way, I've had a

992
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: third major repair in three months, so I'm not I'm

993
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: not feeling real positive about the pool Acosta gl VC. Fact.

994
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: I asked the guy at the pool shop when he's

995
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: giving me prices on a new pool pump, and I

996
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: was absolutely a ghast at the price point on a

997
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: new pool pump. I said, how much do you just

998
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: fill in the pool? How much? Just too good? An

999
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: air drop of some fill dirt and just fill in

1000
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: the stinking pool so don't have to deal with it anymore.

1001
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 1: And he didn't think that was funny because once again,

1002
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: that's his business. He sells pool equipment, so he did

1003
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: think it funny. And when you sell the house, you're

1004
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: gonna want that pool. Personally offended, I think he was

1005
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: so all these champagne problems, we should all be embarrassed

1006
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: because you know what, um, there's a guy who's who's

1007
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: route to the NFL. Yes, uh is quite a story.

1008
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: It is quite a story. And I'm gonna go ahead,

1009
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna well in the story itself, and it's

1010
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: on YouTube and it's an NFL Films production, I believe

1011
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: in conjunction with Ocu man Yuri, the Super Bowl winning

1012
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: defensive lineman formerly of the New York Giants who was

1013
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: back in Nigeria, and he is running doing a lot

1014
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: of good stuff on a lot of fronts, including American

1015
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: football and introducing it to a lot of young athletes.

1016
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: And with that in mind, the Cardinals have gone ahead.

1017
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: They have signed on the line that has dotted a

1018
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: budding offensive lineman six foot six, two hundred ninety eight pounds,

1019
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: a Nigerian native by the name of Hey Guy. That's

1020
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: his first name. If I was smart, I would just

1021
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: stop at the first name, Hey Guy, because the rest

1022
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: of his name is it's full name, Hey Guy. Chase

1023
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: him UNDABISI. I got that. I think it. They held

1024
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: out how about how's that taste? Craig Griolou because he

1025
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: was taking odds that I would butcher that here on

1026
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific Office Automation, but there

1027
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: would go. The second international player is many years Mandatory Psycho.

1028
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because last year when they signed Bernard's Psychovitz,

1029
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: it was through the International Player Program and they had

1030
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: a a roster exemption for him all year. Whereas Hey

1031
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Guy is signed to the roster. I mean he is not.

1032
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: He's not an IPP player. They will not have an

1033
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: exemption for him. He has to make the team, uh

1034
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: to make it. I just think it's a great story.

1035
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk to him a little

1036
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: bit when he signed his contract, really and he is

1037
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: you know the things he was saying about how important

1038
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: this was to him and how important it was. And

1039
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned the video that you can't find on YouTube.

1040
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: It's also embedded in my story on the site. If

1041
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: you're looking to find it about his signing, you watch

1042
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: that video and it really I mean, he's he comes

1043
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: from an area that they don't have much of anything.

1044
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: And oc Umin Eira, who you mentioned in another and

1045
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce his name, but another former NBA player

1046
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: who also runs some stuff out there, and they're just trying,

1047
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: in this case, a handful of athletes that they're trying

1048
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: to see would work in football. In this video, it's

1049
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: only ten minutes long, but it's really it's heartbreaking in

1050
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: a lot of ways as they talk about just wanting

1051
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity. And hey, guy was one of

1052
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: the guys that they happened to talk about in this video.

1053
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: I found the video after they signed him to embed

1054
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: in the story, and it happened that he is part

1055
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: of He is in the video, so you get a

1056
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: little chance to see what he's like. But I asked him.

1057
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: The first thing I asked him when I talked to

1058
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: him was what does this mean to you? And that's

1059
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: a question I've asked guys signing contracts a million times.

1060
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: It means life, it means a dream come true, it

1061
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: means hope. From where I'm coming from, and he went

1062
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: on to talk about how this and there's another Nigerian

1063
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: player from the same group that signed with the New

1064
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: York Giants recently, and they're just looking for opportunity. And

1065
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: he's like, you don't understand, like this is this is impossible.

1066
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: This is literally impossible from where I come from. So

1067
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: for me to be able to do this, to have

1068
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: to be able to let these people know, is such

1069
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: a big deal to us that hey it however, if

1070
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: you work, you can get there. And I thought what

1071
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: he was saying was really interesting and profound. Then I

1072
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: watched the video and then I'm watching some of these

1073
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: these guys and in the video it talks about excuse me,

1074
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're fifteen twenty of them and human

1075
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: Euros basically telling them there's only going to be about

1076
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: four or five of you that are going to get

1077
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do anything, whether it's go to the

1078
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: International Combine or or go work in the IPP program,

1079
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: and the rest of them keep working, we hope we

1080
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: can find something for you. And they're these these guys

1081
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: have nothing, so they're pushing their chips into like hope

1082
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: that this can be their breakthrough. And it's just again

1083
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: you talked about champagne problems earlier. This is the opposite

1084
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: of champagne problems. And it's a really good story. And

1085
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if. I mean, hey, guys, he's never

1086
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: played organized football. All he's done is trained with this

1087
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: group that I'm telling about in Nigeria with ocum Era.

1088
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: He's learned how to pass set by watching YouTube videos

1089
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: and he's an incredible physical specimen. But he's never been

1090
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: in a practice. He's certainly never played. I mean, you're

1091
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: you're about as raw as possible. I did not know that.

1092
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: I just sort of assumed he played in some sort

1093
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: of league. Bernard Psychovitz is a freaking he's he's like

1094
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer compared to what this guy's been through.

1095
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: So whether he can stick, whether he's too raw to stick,

1096
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, well, we will see what happens. But I

1097
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: tell you, when we talk about motivations, this guy has

1098
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: incredible motivation to get better because of what he goes

1099
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: back to if this doesn't work out well. According to

1100
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: the press release, now he's twenty one. He's only twenty

1101
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: one years of age, and according to the press release,

1102
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: it was four years ago when he was discovered, when

1103
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: he was at an All Star basketball game and some

1104
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: American coaches said, wait a minute, who's that guy. He's

1105
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: light on his feet, look at the size, look at

1106
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: the strength. They said, that guy as potential as an

1107
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: NFL left tackle, and boom, here he is. But I mean,

1108
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: do have never played in an actual full contact football game,

1109
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: and you're going to come out to an NFL camp.

1110
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean the odds, let's be realistic. That's just yeah.

1111
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: You know what, though, this is a great reminder in

1112
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: perspective that football is more than just a game, and

1113
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: probably to him more so than maybe a lot of

1114
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: other players in the league. Not to necessarily take away

1115
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: from a lot of the players who used football to

1116
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: get out of unfortunate or really tough situations, but this

1117
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: is I think what it's all about, is using football

1118
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: as a way out, like he mentioned, hope and creating

1119
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: a better life for you and for your family. And

1120
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: the league has been trying, you know, the last couple

1121
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: of years to do more internationally, the international games. We're

1122
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: going to Mexico City, the programs internationally, and I think

1123
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: this is great. I think it's great on the Cardinals too,

1124
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: and this is the exciting stuff of a reminder that

1125
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: football is so much more than just a game to

1126
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: so many of these players, and probably him more so

1127
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: than many others. It's hard. Having interacted with him for

1128
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: the short period of time, it's already hard not to

1129
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: root for him, and then watching the video that just

1130
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: drives it home even further. In it, you know he's

1131
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: so raw that if he does get released down the road,

1132
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna make it through waivers. And then you

1133
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: put him on your practice squad and you can see

1134
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: what you can do with him, and we'll see what happens.

1135
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: My guess is just being on a practice squad would

1136
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: be a huge accomplishment for him. Well, no, we'll know

1137
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: sooner than later. It's always amazing to me when you

1138
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: talk veteran players this time of year and they bring

1139
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: in the rookies for the Rookie Mini Camp, and there's

1140
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: only a handful that are drafted, right a half dozen

1141
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: to maybe ten draft picks, and then there's thirty or

1142
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: forty other guys who have come in as undrafted rookies

1143
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: and rookie signees. And then you ask some of the

1144
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: veterans guys who have had ten years in the league.

1145
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: How long does it take you to determine and decipher

1146
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: whether a guy can make it in the NFL or not.

1147
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: Remember Bertrand Berry would look me right in the eye

1148
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: and say one snap, like, come on, come on, he's

1149
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: like one rep in a pass rush drill. I will

1150
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: tell you if the guy has a future in the

1151
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: NFL or not. I'm like, then, why aren't you in

1152
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: scouting a personnel evaluation? We would go back and we

1153
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: would go back and forth about that, because I've talked

1154
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: to another veteran on the offensive side of the ball

1155
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: who shall remain nameless, who a couple times let me

1156
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: know after a few weeks after offseason and some training

1157
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: camp that a couple of players were never going to

1158
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: do anything, and he was dead wrong. So interesting. I

1159
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: do think that they get an idea. I think you

1160
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: can get an idea if there's a want to there,

1161
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: I think that probably could be figured out fairly quickly.

1162
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: But if you're just talking about regular Joe Blow trying

1163
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: to learn the game a little bit and they've got

1164
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: want to and they're just not sharp enough yet, I

1165
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I'll due respect to Bertrand and

1166
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: my unnamed player and actually he wasn't It was his

1167
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: era of player, but it wasn't be trained. But it

1168
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: was a bunch of other guys in the defense. In

1169
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: the first preseason game, it kind of became an annual tradition.

1170
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter and when they were standing on

1171
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: the sideline with a ball caps on and a cup

1172
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: of seeds, I would go through the roster with him

1173
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: and go yes no, yes, no, yes no, and they

1174
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: tell me. And it was amazing how accurate those guys were.

1175
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: This is the first preseason game. For example, I vividly

1176
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: remember remember Reggie Walker, the linebacker at a Kansas State

1177
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: I do the first one, first one, the first first

1178
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: one or not the Florida Reggie Walker, and he was

1179
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent and and and those there were

1180
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: three guys from it. He's making the team, like no,

1181
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: that means you gotta cut this guy. He's making the

1182
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: team KELBC And sure enough they were right he did.

1183
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: He made the team out of camp. And just they

1184
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: see stuff, and you know, they're also in meeting rooms

1185
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: and so forth. They know they know if he's impressing

1186
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: the position coach for example, or the coordinator. Yea. So

1187
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: we'll find out on that. You know, whether it means

1188
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: a Cardinals or any less app to go offensive line

1189
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: in the draft, absolutely not. If they're guys there, they'll

1190
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: make it. The question is, and I've seen this a lot,

1191
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: and you pose this question earlier, Darren, are the Cardinals

1192
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: any more or less apt to go offense in the

1193
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: first round this year because they've gone defense the last

1194
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 1: couple of years? I would say absolutely not. If there's

1195
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: a big run stuffing defensive tackle who's there, or DeVante

1196
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: Wyatt and they like him, they're pulling the trigger. If

1197
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: there's an edge rusher who falls the twenty three car

1198
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: Loftus boom, they're taking him. If somehow one of these Marquis,

1199
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, one of the U dub Marquis corners balls

1200
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: and they think he's the best value. I don't think

1201
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: there are any more or less app to go offense

1202
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: because they haven't the last two years. What do you think,

1203
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: Danny No? I agree, I don't think necessarily. Now you

1204
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about an off the ball linebacker probably

1205
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: a different answer, but go insidebackers, but defense as a whole,

1206
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that has anything to do

1207
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: with how you've drafted the last few years, about what

1208
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: this team is right now and what they already have

1209
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: and what they're trying to accomplish. I think we know

1210
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: pretty clearly if you're drafting offense, it's one of those

1211
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: star studded wide receivers or maybe an interior offensive lineman

1212
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: to try and start getting a head start since four

1213
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: of your five starters will be free agents after this

1214
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: upcoming season. But the clear answer is they have more

1215
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: needs on defense. So I can't imagine the Cardinals saying,

1216
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, we need a lot more on defense,

1217
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: but we've really focused on that the last few drafts.

1218
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to offense just to mix it up. No

1219
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: defense is where their focus is at the moment. I

1220
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: would have imagine when you look at the greater need again,

1221
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: it depends who falls. I asked one question a JJ

1222
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: Watt to try to get in with a second, but

1223
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: they are already cap the Q and who was getting in.

1224
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to follow up with assess the loss of

1225
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones for this defense, but I figured we'd have

1226
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: more chances to do that. You know so, and you're right,

1227
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: you know that that's a question. We can easily get more.

1228
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't as much football and X as and o's today,

1229
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: but to me that is still the biggest question on

1230
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: the roster is edge rusher you could play today with

1231
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: the receiver room you have, you gelt. But once again,

1232
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: coming full circle here on Cardinal's underground, do you have

1233
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: truly a legitimate starter to go along with Marcus Golden

1234
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: on the roster? I would say no. I would say no,

1235
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: and I will say this as far as the cornerback

1236
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: position goes, as long as we're talking defense. Drew Grigson

1237
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: was very interesting on the Big Red Rage. When asked

1238
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: about Jeff Gladney, he called him a starter. He used

1239
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: the word starter to describe Jeff Gladney, the third year

1240
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: owner who was a twenty twenty first round pick, called

1241
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: him a freebee, called him an extra first round pick.

1242
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: These are phrases Drew Grigson used to describe Jeff Gladney.

1243
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: So without ever having seen him play in person, it

1244
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: sounds like the decision makers are bullish on that signing. Well,

1245
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: he's third year, but he didn't play last year correct

1246
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: second season playing okay. And the other thing too, is

1247
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: the way your room is, right now, he better be

1248
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: a starter. You're looking at three cornerbacks that start, and

1249
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: who do you have besides Jeff get Gladney and Byron

1250
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: Murphy and Marco Wilson. I don't think there is anybody.

1251
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: Maybe you might have Robert Alfred right then if he

1252
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: comes back, then that changes. But I would think right

1253
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: now you don't have a choice but to call him

1254
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: a starter. Right Yeah, maybe maybe, although I mean they

1255
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: put out depth trust with two starting corners which easily

1256
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: could be Marco Wilson and and Byron Murphy, So it

1257
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: depends how you define that. But once again, I don't know.

1258
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: There seems to be this narrative out that the Cardinals

1259
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: are automatically going offense, either because they went defense last

1260
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: two years or b they have to appease the quarterback.

1261
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: And I don't see that as as likely any either way.

1262
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: I really don't. But we'll find out. By the way

1263
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: the draft party, yes, yes, coming up, it's coming up

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Speaker 1: Acycardinals dot com slash draft party where you can get

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Speaker 1: all the information and so we'll see. I'm hearing good

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Speaker 1: things about what I can't divulge a lot of It's

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Speaker 1: sort of like Danny with her game on feature. I

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Speaker 1: can't give a lot of the details. I'm just saying that,

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Speaker 1: you know, after two years away from the draft party

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Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium in the Great Lawn sold, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be worth. The way I hear the host

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Speaker 1: for the draft party out at State from Stadium, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty fire. Yeah. No, I wouldn't don't ever ever ever

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Speaker 1: say that I would be fired up. We need to

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Speaker 1: trade up, because we need to trade up, because it's

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Speaker 1: daunting that I have to fill until pick number twenty three.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to fill until like you know,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons at eight, or maybe even Zavin Collins is sixteen,

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Speaker 1: But get to number twenty three. I mean, I hope,

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Speaker 1: I hope the uh, the show bill is robust. So

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Speaker 1: after when the Super Bowl, you're gonna just refuse to host?

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Speaker 1: You're right, I should, You're absolutely right. I'll stage my

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Speaker 1: own offseason hold out, you know. I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll make the draft party voluntary in my next contract.

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Speaker 1: That's what I need to do. That's exactly what I

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Speaker 1: need to do around here. So, Danren, we never got

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Speaker 1: an answer out of you about whether if this was

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Speaker 1: voluntary you'd still be here or not. You sort of

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Speaker 1: danced around it, as of course I would be here.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I danced around it really? Uh all right?

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Speaker 1: Was it competitive, by the way, Danny? Was it? Were

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Speaker 1: you competitive in your in your your game on? How

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Speaker 1: about this? I am a competitive person. I see I

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Speaker 1: had a little trash talk to Rondale. M hmm. But

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Speaker 1: if I tell you it wasn't competitive, that's going to

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Speaker 1: let you know that I beat him by a landslide.

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Speaker 1: So everyone just got to tune in social media channels

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Speaker 1: asy Cardinals dot com later in the week look for

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Speaker 1: game on. By the way, I just looked here. Should

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Speaker 1: we give a quick shout out to Mark all Meyer? Yes?

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Speaker 1: That would be a forty one year career. Are you

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Speaker 1: kidding me? What was it here? It is here? The

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Speaker 1: Holy can only stats eight hundred twenty three games as

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals equipment manager, seven presidents, over thirty six hundred

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Speaker 1: players equipped. Think about that. I mean just Ron Wolfley

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Speaker 1: high maintenance. Ron Wolfley alone was a handful for a

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Speaker 1: good seven years as an Arizona Cardinal. But to have

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Speaker 1: dealt with everything that Mark Almyer and Darren you can

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Speaker 1: speak on this from a first person perspective, does anybody

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Speaker 1: put in more hours than the equipment guy? I mean,

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Speaker 1: other than maybe Cliff Kings were here at four thirty

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Speaker 1: in the morning. I mean, honestly, the way those guys

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Speaker 1: are here to get everything set, the way they're late

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Speaker 1: at night they go on the team buses to the

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Speaker 1: visiting stadium. I mean, it's crazy the hours those guys

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Speaker 1: put in. Quick story, and I quoted a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this. Larry Fitzgerald did a video from Mark for

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Speaker 1: his goodbye last week, and it took me back to

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Speaker 1: when I was covering this team for the East Valley

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Speaker 1: Tribune and I did a story on Larry Fitzgerald after

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Speaker 1: his rookie season. So it was the summer after his

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Speaker 1: rookie year and I'm trying to come up with a

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Speaker 1: good story to talk about him. And in those days,

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Speaker 1: Larry really had well. In those days, Larry really never

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Speaker 1: has a big reason to want to talk to the

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Speaker 1: media whole bunch, but I had to. I finally got

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Speaker 1: him to do a little bit of a sit down

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Speaker 1: with me, and he was good. But he was young

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Speaker 1: at that point and in those days an Kuon BOLDI

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Speaker 1: used to joke with him a lot. And I was

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Speaker 1: fairly tight with an quin in those days, and an

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Speaker 1: Quo would be like, dude, you gotta his house is

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Speaker 1: ridiculous because he's got this pretty nice house and he

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Speaker 1: won't buy himself any furniture because he's too cheap and

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Speaker 1: he won't do it. And ever once in a while

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Speaker 1: we go over there and like, there's no place to

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Speaker 1: sit because you won't furniture all this stuff. But another

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Speaker 1: story that came out when I was talking to the

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Speaker 1: equipment guys. Actually I talked to somebody else who had

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Speaker 1: told me this, and I talked to Mark and who

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Speaker 1: he had in the equipment room. And what I didn't

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Speaker 1: know at the time was Larry would stay late oftentimes

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Speaker 1: during the week because he had didn't want to go

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Speaker 1: to his house with no furniture, and there was nobody

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Speaker 1: to go home to, so he'd stick around and he'd

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Speaker 1: fold towels into the evening with the equipment and and

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Speaker 1: and actually and they he got his first nickname here

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Speaker 1: was late Night. And that's why because he would stay

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Speaker 1: late night to fold towels. And in fact, in those days,

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Speaker 1: David Letterman still at a show and uh, and we

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Speaker 1: did the headline for the story was Late Night with

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald and uh, and I'll never forget it. And anyways,

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Speaker 1: flash forwarding to now is Larry and his farewell video

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Speaker 1: was saying, you know you became. He was telling Mark,

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Speaker 1: you became my de facto family because my family wasn't

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Speaker 1: out here. I didn't have a lot of friends. I

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Speaker 1: was young, Uh, immature, even though he's he's mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: and you know you let me hang around in full

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Speaker 1: towels and and just hang out in the locker room

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Speaker 1: and that was a big part for him. So he

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Speaker 1: gave big, big hudos to Mark Almyer. And Mark was

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Speaker 1: always great to me. H the first few years I

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Speaker 1: was working for the team when I I didn't have

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Speaker 1: necessarily an exact department I was working in. So he

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Speaker 1: kind of hitched me into the media relations group when

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Speaker 1: we were going to training camp and hook me up

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Speaker 1: with some some gear that that the media relations people

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Speaker 1: will get, so I'd have some gear going up to camp.

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Speaker 1: And uh, he was just again always a good guy,

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Speaker 1: loved doing what he was doing. But getting back to

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Speaker 1: your original point, especially Paul, nobody knows these equipment guys.

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Speaker 1: Whether it was Mark Almyer or now Jeff schwimmer Um.

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Speaker 1: The fact that these guys, the hours they spend the

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Speaker 1: road trips especially, is what rings true to me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these guys go they're on the road. Mark would be

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Speaker 1: outside when it's a one hundred and twenty thousand degrees

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Speaker 1: on the tarmac watching the plane get loaded. And then

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Speaker 1: you'd be on a road road place when where where

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Speaker 1: we're snowing or raining, and they're standing outside making the

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Speaker 1: plane gets loaded before you leave. And then when the

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Speaker 1: team lands we all go home. Those guys have to

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Speaker 1: come back to facility to unpack because it's Sunday night

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Speaker 1: and everybody's back in the facility Monday morning, so they've

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Speaker 1: got to get all that stuff done. And they're not

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Speaker 1: the only ones in the building that do stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But big props to Mark Allmyer. Yes, so Vitz was

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Speaker 1: on the video, and then Joe Buck was on the video.

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Speaker 1: Joe Buck, which I had no idea that Joe Buck.

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Speaker 1: Back when they were the Saint Louis Cardinals as a

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Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen year old, he was a training camp

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Speaker 1: intern and worked and literally credited Mark Allmyer with giving

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Speaker 1: him quote a work ethic. Yeah, he said he had

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Speaker 1: no work ethic until he started working for the years

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Speaker 1: on a Cardinals football team because his dad, obviously the

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Speaker 1: legendary Hall of Fame broadcaster for the Saint Louis Cardinals

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Speaker 1: baseball team, and at all Mark all Meyer put a

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Speaker 1: young Joe Buck to work. Yes he did. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, when they were showing the video and it

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Speaker 1: was Joe Buck followed by Larry fitzher and we're watching

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Speaker 1: during this luncheon, I'm like, you know what, Joe Buck

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Speaker 1: is now making more than Larry ever made in a

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Speaker 1: single season, because Joe Buck is making about fifteen million

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Speaker 1: a year and his new deal for Monday Night Football

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Speaker 1: it's five years, seventy five million, and I think Larry's

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Speaker 1: top bass salary it was like fourteen and a half.

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Speaker 1: I believe I'd have to go back in love. Might

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Speaker 1: be wrong on that, but I'm like, it's pretty high,

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Where do you fall on that? Where's your

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Speaker 1: what's your annual salary? Again? Talking about me? Now, well,

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Speaker 1: just move the decimal point over two, so would be

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Speaker 1: the point zero one four, I think is what it

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Speaker 1: would be. That's that's what it would Oh, they're so Paul,

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Speaker 1: looking at Joe Bucking, I could do that, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: And I could do that for fifteen million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: That was Dave Pash. I would say that, but no,

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Speaker 1: not Paul pencil Na. Dave Pass is already making fifteen

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Speaker 1: million years. So you know, kudos to Pass. She's taking

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Speaker 1: a beating from the Suns fans. Darren, you haven't been

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Speaker 1: richen Ash for his U saw that that that he

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Speaker 1: admitted that he didn't vote for Michaal Bridges is exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I said, David's all right. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of lost track of my burner accounts up

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Speaker 1: and ripping you here, you know, on Twitter for a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks now for your picks. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you give up. You seem like someone who has burner account.

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Speaker 1: I can barely operate my own account. So that in mind.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Cardinal's Underground. A little bit of everything,

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