1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: What is up, guys? 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: We got Mary Kate Morrissey on Post Run High today. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: For those listening, Mary Kate is a Broadway actress. She 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: is the Alphaba on Broadway. I'm so excited to sit 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 2: down with Mary Kate today because she's iconic. The Wicked 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: movies coming out. It's perfect timing. And for those of 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: you that follow the Running Interview Show, you might remember 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: that Mary Kate a little over a year ago was 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: on one of my first ever episodes where we went 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: and we toured the Gershwin Theater and we got to 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: know a little bit about Mary Kate. So a little 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: bit of a delayed post Run High, but we did 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: run and a year later we are now going to 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: go deep and learn all about Mary Kate. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: I feel like now that I'm the girl in the chair, 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: which is like the alphaba who's like who sort of 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: owns the room at the moment. Now, like you would 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: totally be able to like into the dressing room and 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: like do all that. So we have to do that. 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: At some point, we have to do that. 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: I want to watch you get greened out, greened out. 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I have like three months left, so as alpha BA, Yeah, 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: what I know, Wait, so you're not going to. 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: Be Alphaba any longer. 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: No. So the contracts are termed so it's a year contract, 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: and I actually asked for like a nine month contract, 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: which would have ended this month, which is sort of crazy. 28 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: Wait. I feel so grateful then, because when I went 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: to see the show a year and a half ago, 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: it was when you were stand by and I got 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: to see you as Alpha. 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: Ba, which made me so happy because then when we 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: did the running interview, they were like, she saw you, 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: and I was. 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: Like, okay, great, I'm in Mary Kate is my Alphaba 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: and she's amazing and we're going to learn all about 37 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: you today. But before we get into that, what's the 38 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: plan for three months post the show. 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot, and I 40 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: think that, like Alphaba is canonically the hardest role for 41 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: a woman on Broadway, and it's not just the singing 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and the acting and the like interpersonal relationships. It's like 43 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: dealing with management and the leadership and press and all 44 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: of that kind of a thing. So I feel like, 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: on one hand, I could be like, I want to 46 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: do something with a lot less pressure, and on the 47 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: other hand, I'm like, no, I'm actually like primed with 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: a whole new skill set I didn't have before. So 49 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm like ready for something even bigger. So I don't 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: know what happens next, which is really fun. I know 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to Montana to ski, that I'm going on 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: a vacation with my family, and then I'll probably go 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: play golf for a while. But like, whatever gig comes next, 54 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm hoping is like even bigger and more challenging than 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: Alpha Bah. I almost feel worried that, like the next 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: thing I do is going to be too easy. Oh 57 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: my gosh, you know what I mean. 58 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: Do you have any dream roles that you would be 59 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: interested in playing? 60 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: I have roles that I want people to write, Like 61 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: I really want Brandy Carlisle to write a musical about 62 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: the female soldiers who went undercover as men in the 63 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: Civil War because freedom meant as much to them as 64 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: it did to the other men. I have artists that 65 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: I want to collaborate and directors that I really want 66 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: to collaborate with, which makes me feel like I'm in 67 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: like a whole new level. It's not like so much 68 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: about the role about the people in the room. Absolutely 69 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: it feels really good. Yeah, You're at such a cool 70 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: point in your career. Yeah, it's so cool. 71 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: And now being able to sit down with you because 72 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: when I first ran with you, you were stand by, 73 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: and now this is your role, and this has been 74 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: your role for the past year. Being on Broadway and 75 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: being in theater, especially in this industry, is one of 76 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: the most impressive things ever. It's so hard, it's so rigorous, 77 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: and it's competitive. But I want you to bring us 78 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: back to the beginning. Tell us a little bit about 79 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: where you grew up. 80 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: I grew up in the suburbs of Pennsylvania and like 81 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: a very normal household. Both of my parents work full time, 82 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: and I went to Catholic school and what did the 83 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: play and played sports and did the whole thing. And 84 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: it was really the only thing I was ever good at. 85 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: But it was also the thing that had the most 86 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: value in my household was the arts. And it's because 87 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: like my grandparents were off the boat from Ireland and 88 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: my grandfather used to sing on the Irish radio in Philadelphia, 89 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: and so there's singing has just been like such a 90 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: part of my ancestry. Like the oral history of storytelling 91 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: in the Irish culture is really really strong. That's like 92 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: when the English occupied Ireland, Like that's how they kept 93 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: their history alive was by singing these songs about it. 94 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: And so my parents know these songs, and I know 95 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: the songs, and so you know, you'd be like a 96 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: little kid and you'd be able to stay up for 97 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: an extra hour if you could, like sing an Irish song. 98 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: So like it had so much value that I was 99 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: taught at a really young age that there was value 100 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: in singing and in the arts. 101 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and make my heart so happy just knowing that 102 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: that's like at your roots. Yeah, you're a singer. What 103 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: was your favorite Irish song grown up? Do you remember? 104 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: Like mine is the mal I liked. 105 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: I taught that one. That's like I'll tell me maw 106 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: when I go home, boys will leave the girls alone. 107 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: That was like my favorite one. My grandfather's favorite was 108 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: the Feelds of Beth and Rye. So that's the one 109 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: that I ended up singing a lot. Yeah, And I 110 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: always think about how like my dad was the first 111 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: to go to college and his family and they were 112 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: also poor, Like my grandfather worked at the acme did 113 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: the night shift, and there was like that's sort of 114 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: even when he went to college my grandfather was like, no, 115 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: you have a good gig, like you are working at 116 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: the ACME. You have a job like stay here. So 117 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: there was sort of this push of the American dream 118 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: and then I shout out and wanted to be an artist, 119 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: and finally there was like enough money to push me forward. Yeah. 120 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: So I just think like I have a responsibility to 121 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: like my lineage, to like really go after it. 122 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're making them all so proud and so happy, 123 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: and you already have done so much. So it's so 124 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: cool to know that. I'm curious when you were in 125 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: high school and you know, even middle school, were you 126 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: always in the school plays and doing musical theater always. 127 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: I was like that, like you know how like the 128 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: mean girls like separate all the tables out. I was 129 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: like weird, band free, weird, like theater kid like that was, 130 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: but I was like the queen of the theater kid. 131 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: So it was like not so hard for me. I 132 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: didn't feel like super bullied or anything like that in 133 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: that way. 134 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: I love the mean girl's analogy to you, considering you 135 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: are also in mean girls. 136 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so just like pulling from what I know. So 137 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: we did like Avida and le Mis le. 138 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 2: Miz is one of my favorite. Yeah, musicals and plays. 139 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to play Fontine and Eponine so bad, and 140 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: I wanted them to double cast me in it, and 141 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: I was like crushed when they were like, no, we're 142 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: going to give you one part and someone else another part, 143 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: because there are one hundred and thirty kids who tried out, 144 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, that doesn't make any sense. 145 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: Like what. 146 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: My mom was like, you were cruel, You were cruel. 147 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: What was your favorite play to perform in when you 148 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: were growing up? 149 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: I remember lam Is being really special because like the 150 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: cast was so good. And then I remember we did 151 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Into the Woods at like a summer stock, but not 152 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: at summerstock as like a summer stage Westchester summer stage theater. 153 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: So in the summer you were at theater camps also, 154 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: So it's like theater was your sport. Yeah, and then 155 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: you went on to Syracuse and you were in the 156 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: performing arts program there, right, Yeah. 157 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: I went to school for musical theater at Syracuse, and. 158 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: For anybody listening like that is to go to school. Yeah. Yeah. 159 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: The best part about Syracuse's program though, is that your 160 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: very last semester you can do a semester abroad, but 161 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: it's an immersive semester in New York City. So they 162 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: take like their scene, your class, and they plant them 163 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: in New York and you like, one of your classes 164 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: is to go see two shows a week on Broadway 165 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: and then come in on Friday and learn how to 166 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: talk about theater, and that like prepared me, I think 167 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: to be a theater artist and in the community because 168 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I had seen so much and I had started to 169 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: know people and started to think that that's the smartest 170 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: thing Syracuse does. 171 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Was there anything that was challenging when you got to 172 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: Syracuse that you were like, Okay, we're entering like a 173 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: whole new ballpark of theater. 174 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: I think that Syracuse taught me how to act, whereas 175 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: like I feel like I always knew how to sing. 176 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: Syracuse's acting program is really good, and the musical theater 177 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: students and the acting students take class together, so there's 178 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: like a different sort of pressure on the work that 179 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: you have to present and an expectation from them to 180 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: be like, don't be the stupid musical theater actor, like 181 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: show up and learn how to act. And I was 182 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: friends with a lot of the actors, and I think 183 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: that that was like the best thing ever to just 184 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: have the expectation that you have to be good and 185 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: do your work and investigate the text and do all 186 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, and not just for lying on 187 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: your saying. 188 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: With being on Broadway always your goal. 189 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: Yes, always, yeah, yeah, always, But it took me a 190 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: long time to get there because I toured for so long. 191 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: I toured for like ten years. 192 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 2: And for anybody listening, let's explain what it means to tour. 193 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Touring with a Broadway national touring company. Is being is 194 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: doing like the same show that you would see on 195 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: Broadway with the same creative team, but a brand new 196 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: cast and the same costumes, but you're setting up in 197 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: a different city every it could be one or two weeks, 198 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: or it could be six or eight weeks, Like we 199 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: sat down in Toronto for I think eight weeks and 200 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: that was unreal because it felt like I was living there. 201 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: Or we sit out in Chicago for six weeks. I've 202 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: played Chicago, I think three times, so I've played all 203 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: these I think I've played like God, I counted them up. 204 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: I think I've played eighty or ninety cities in the States. 205 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: So you go around and then you do the show 206 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: for that certain amount of weeks and then they pack 207 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: everything up, you pack your life up, and you move 208 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: on to the next city. It's kind of like the circus. 209 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: It's a grind. 210 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: It's a grind, and people who you work with on 211 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: the road become like your lifelong friends because it's almost 212 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: like you're going to war with them because you're it's 213 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: like you against American Airlines or it's you against whatever 214 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: the obstacle is that day, like literally, don't break my guitar, right, oh, 215 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, right, So. 216 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: And what shows did you perform in when you were touring. 217 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: I started with Hair in twenty thirteen, which I went 218 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: to like a cattle call with like you'll see online 219 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: if you're like on musical theater talk right now, like 220 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: the open call sort of thing that's been that's like 221 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: an age old problem. Like I remember getting to I 222 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: think it was Ripley Greer Studios at like four am 223 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: to sit my ass on a trash bag on the 224 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: ground because we didn't want to sit right on the sidewalk, 225 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: bundled up, wait until the doors open to put our 226 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: names on a list, and then come back and sing 227 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: like twelve bars or something like that, Like it was 228 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: crazy you say twelve bars, so like in like a 229 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: sheet of music, it'll see the green, You'll see like 230 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: it'll be like bar bar bar bar bar. So a 231 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: certain amount of bars correlates to like a certain amount 232 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: of seconds usually and usually a bar count is four 233 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: to four, so it'll be one, two, three four. 234 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: When you were initially auditioning, like post college, were you 235 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: auditioning specifically to be on tour or did you want 236 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: to just go right into being Like living in the city. 237 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to tour. I remember really wanting to tour 238 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: because there was something like so romantic to me about 239 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: seeing the country and like performing for And I feel 240 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: this way still, like I feel so tenderly about my 241 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: touring days because I feel like I was performing American 242 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: musical theater for the country that I live in, Like 243 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: it felt like a sort of patriotism that's not rooted 244 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: in politicism, Like it felt like I was performing this 245 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: art form that came from jazz music, came from storytelling, 246 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: came from America for an American audience, whereas like in 247 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: New York you're performing mostly for tourists. So it felt 248 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: really cool to like bring the Broadway show that's being 249 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,239 Speaker 1: performed for tourists to cities across America for American audiences, 250 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: and so many people like myself included, growing up, only 251 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: saw touring shows like that was the more accessible thing 252 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: for theater. 253 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: Are there any niche theaters that you performed at in 254 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: the US that kind of stuck out to you? 255 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: There are some wild theaters. I think that there's a 256 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: theater in all Paso, Texas where the ceiling is all 257 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: like starry night, so not the painting, but like it 258 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,479 Speaker 1: gets dark and then it's sort of like a palaza 259 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: and then it looks like the sky like they have 260 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: like little stars that light up, so so when you're 261 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: singing defying gravity or the best is when I was 262 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: doing hair there and it was like the dawning of 263 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: the Age of Aquarius. The lights come down and it 264 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: looks like it's you're outside like that I thought was 265 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: so cool, so cool that little theater Passo, I think 266 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: it's called the It begins with the p the Palace 267 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: or something like that, and then I've gotten to play 268 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: the Fox in Saint Louis a couple of times, and 269 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: that's really cool because the stairs they go up to. 270 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: All the dressing rooms have all murals from all the shows. 271 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: And when I played with Me Girls, I got to 272 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: do one of the murals, which was really fun. So 273 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: we did this huge, huge mural for them. So all 274 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: of the theaters have like their own different personality, which 275 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: is really really cool. 276 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 277 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they all have their own ghosts too, so 278 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: you have to like do little things to like a 279 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: piece the ghosts. What do you mean. Yeah, Like the 280 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: theater in Chicago is super haunted, and they would say that, 281 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: like you could see like the crew, someone on the 282 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: crew saw like little girls jumping on the bed or 283 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: whatever it was. 284 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 2: That's really spooky. It's spooky as something that gets so 285 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: freaked out very easily. I would not do you like it. 286 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: You're like theater bee, I know, hell, Like the theater 287 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: people are so superstitious. Though, we're so superstitious. There are 288 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: like words you're not allowed to say. There are like 289 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: platitudes you're not supposed to give somebody, Like there's still 290 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: like you're not supposed to say Macbeth in a theater, 291 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to say like good luck to 292 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: anyone in a theater ya say, break a leg. 293 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: I didn't realize how serious people took that. 294 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: People take it extremely serious. Wait, I kind of love it. 295 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's like the trajectory of the shows that you've 296 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: been on before? 297 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: It was Hair, and then I did Wicked. I did 298 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: the stand by contract on tour, and then the principal 299 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: contract on tour, and then I did Mean Girls. 300 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: And when you were on the Wicked tour, were you 301 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: playing Alpha Ba Yes? Okay, awesome, Yes. 302 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: I was standing by first yeah for last twenty fifteen. Wow, 303 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: that's when I started. And I think that playing Alphaba 304 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: two on tour is super super hard. Like I always 305 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: try to be a support for however's doing it out 306 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: there right now, because going through it is. 307 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: Just awful, right, because what does your routine look like? 308 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: It's hard? I mean, you don't have one. You have 309 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: to rebuild your routine every month because you're in a 310 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: different city with different air, a different altitude and a 311 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: different and all that effects you're singing, all that effects 312 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: your breath. You don't have your gym, you don't have 313 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: your like home set up, you don't have a kitchen. 314 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: In a lot of cities like you have to figure 315 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: out your food. You have to figure out where you're 316 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: going to get like a massage or a facial or 317 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: any of that. 318 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: Literally a facial, yeah, like I could imagine that's really 319 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: important totally. Do you get facials often? Because yeah, like 320 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: once a month or that once a month, I feel 321 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: like isn't even enough. Like if I I'd be doing. 322 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: It once a week, I know, I'm just lazy though. 323 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: I think I could probably go once a week, but 324 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: I Yeah. 325 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: So you go from touring on Broadway and all these 326 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: different shows to then finally auditioning to be on Broadway 327 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: in New York City. Walk me through that journey. 328 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: I got a call that was like, are you interested, 329 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: because they're looking for a new stand by, But I 330 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: think that they weren't sure that I would want to 331 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: stand by again, and I was sure that I wanted to, 332 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: so I was like, yeah, but my name in the ring, 333 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: like I would love to stand by on I think 334 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: the stand by gig at Wicked is like the best 335 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: job on Broadway because you go on all the time, 336 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: but you don't carry the show on your back, you 337 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You don't carry it around with 338 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: you every day like the girl who's doing it full 339 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: time does right. 340 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: Because when your stand by, it's what like it's whenever 341 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: the lead calls out, calls out, and so it's on 342 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: average what like two times a week. 343 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: I would say, it's like it depends on the alpha 344 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: ba and like what's happening in her life at the 345 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: time my standbi goes on. I would say once a week. 346 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: I try to do like a really strong seven, but 347 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: I also like take time away, like I am really 348 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: good about like, Okay, I need a weekend here, and 349 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: I need a weekend here, and I need a weekend here. 350 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: And then she's on for all those weekends too, so 351 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: the average probably ends up being like she does a fourth, 352 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, fourth of the shows, which is unreal, Like 353 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: to only have to do it like twice a week, 354 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: it's amazing. And then like and just be on fire 355 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: for those shows and not be thinking about like the 356 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: reserve of energy and the reserve of voice the whole 357 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: time I thought was thrilling. 358 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: Right, because what does your schedule look like during the week? 359 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: So I do Tuesday night, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday night. Wow, 360 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: then on Saturday you can count on me being there. 361 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: During the week Tuesday to Friday, it's the five show 362 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: weekend is where it gets iffy because you do Friday 363 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: night and then two on Saturday, two on Sunday, and 364 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: that like the two show day. 365 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: No, it's hard. 366 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's like one is enough, Like one is 367 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: still hard. 368 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: How do you keep your energy level so high? 369 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Celsius? 370 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: You do? 371 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know that. 372 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: You also have a very routine and strict workout schedule. 373 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: So it's like, not only are you performing at the 374 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Gershwynd Theater, which is a rake to stay. 375 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: The race stage just means it's a one percent incline 376 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: from back to front. 377 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: What our rake is so constantly running on an incline. Guys, 378 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: for those treadmill lovers out there, we're singing on an incline. 379 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: So your center balance is always off. 380 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: You're always cocked in your hip or you're always down 381 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: on your toes or back in your heels. 382 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: Right, So you really need to be a have like 383 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: the proper nutrition in fuel. We have the energy, yes, 384 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: and just the stamina to do it. It's amazing. Your 385 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: job is like equivalent to being a professional athlete. 386 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: I think so, yeah for sure. And there are so 387 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: many injuries too, Like we've been talking in our union 388 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: about getting wellness stipends for the ensemble because there's so 389 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: many injuries of dancing on that stage. Particularly our dancers 390 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: in our show are unreal and the dancing is so 391 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: hard as Wayne Seleno's choreography, it's like all very like 392 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: Foscy inspired. 393 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: Did you grow up dancing as well? 394 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: No? No, I cannot dance park and Bark. 395 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, then, like I feel like Aplaba is 396 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 2: like a perfect kind of role for that literally perfect. Yeah, 397 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: it was Alphaba always a dream of yours. 398 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: Yes, for sure. You just don't think you can do 399 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: it and then someone's like, yeah, you can do it, 400 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: and then you're like, okay, let me try. 401 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: Like it's also so iconic because Wicked has been around 402 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: since two thousand and three, Like what is it like 403 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: being on a show that has so much history. 404 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: It's really really good because there's such a legacy involved. 405 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: But it definitely holds like more responsibility, Like you know 406 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: that your audience has seen it before, and so you 407 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: want to go out there and give them a show 408 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: that they saw or a show better. So you're constantly like, 409 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: I feel like you're competing with the show that they've 410 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: already seen a little bit. I get that, and so 411 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: there's definitely the pressure to be the best possible Alphabet 412 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: you can be every single day, which is fine. That 413 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: just like comes with a gig because everyone is expecting 414 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: the magic. You know, can you. 415 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: Channel Alphaba right now? 416 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: This is my Alphaba? Like I feel like I am 417 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: myself when I'm playing Yeah, a lot of the time. 418 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: Interesting. The biggest thing that I hear about Alphaba and 419 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: Glinda is a lot of people that go and see 420 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: the show have a personal connection with the Alphaba or 421 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: the Glinda that they see when they're performing, and they'll 422 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: say things like Mary Kate was my Alphaba, so and 423 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: so was my Glinda. Can you talk to me a 424 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: little bit about that? Like what about your alpha Ba? 425 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's different than past Alphaba's. 426 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I think it's what is different is also the same, 427 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: Like all of us Alpha bus bring all of us, 428 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: all of us, and I'm the twenty fifth girl to 429 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: do it full time on Broadway. 430 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: Oh so cool. 431 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: I feel like all twenty five of us bring that 432 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: little kid part of ourselves that felt like we weren't enough, 433 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: felt like we were bullied, felt like we had the 434 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: world again us that so many people feel in the world, 435 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: like everybody when they were a little kid at some 436 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: point felt that way. I think that we all bring 437 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: that into the work. We bring like that we have 438 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: to like go back and find her and channel that 439 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: vulnerability of like what it feels like to be looked 440 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: at and be othered, right, do you know what I mean? 441 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: We're all bringing like our own other ship in with us, 442 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: and we've all done the work to investigate in what 443 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: ways we've been othered and how that relates to who 444 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: we are today, so that we can use it in 445 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: the work. But then also we have to give Alphaba 446 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: her own credit, which is like, in some parts she 447 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: doesn't know as much as I know Mary Kate, and 448 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: in some parts she's a lot braver than I would 449 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: ever be in my real life. So I get to 450 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: like try on her qualities of courage and heart and 451 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: bravery and defy gravity and have my heart broken and 452 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: be able to like show that on stage or be 453 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: really really afraid and have it be okay for people 454 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: to see me go through that, do you know what 455 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: I mean? Whereas like in our life, I don't know 456 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: if I would want people to see me Mary Kate 457 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: be really really. 458 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: Scared, right, it's kind of cathartic. Then it's like you 459 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: get to be on stage and yeah, bring that side 460 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: out of you. It is so vulnerable. 461 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what every alpha ba has done, right, 462 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Every Alphaba that I 463 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: have seen do it has done that. And the reason 464 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: why it's all different is because we're all different. 465 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: When you get cascid for Alphaba, there's certain commonalities about 466 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 2: the actresses kind of across the board, just like with Glinda. 467 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: It's like you can tell if somebody has it in 468 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: them that can play there are Linda or somebody that 469 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: could play Ellwoods in legally Bond, right, Like there's just 470 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 2: that kind of personality. So I can totally understand that. Also, 471 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: isn't there something with the costumes where each Alphaba gets 472 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: their own costume made? 473 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: Yes, but like you have to be playing her like 474 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: not always, but usually it's if you're the principal track 475 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: on Broadway, you made your own set of costumes. But 476 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: until like a couple months ago, I was wearing Carmen 477 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: Cusax costumes. 478 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: I think you were wearing Carmen's when I interviewed. 479 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I wore them since twenty fifteen, and I 480 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: wore hers and Julian Murnie's and Sephanie ja blocks, and 481 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 1: that to me felt like such a piece of power, 482 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: knowing that, like what I had to do that was 483 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: really hard, women with my same body shape had already 484 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: done because I'm a strong girl, like I have broad 485 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: shoulders and. 486 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: We love you know, girls, fait girls. 487 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: So I knew that these women had already done it, 488 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And that sort of like 489 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: putting on their clothes helped me to like, I don't know, phil, 490 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: fill it out all the way to the edge of 491 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: the line. 492 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, you kind of feel their strength 493 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: when you put on a piece of garment. Yeah, that's amazing. 494 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: It's like putting on vintage clothes. Yeah's cool, exactly. Yeah, 495 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: I mean, but that's a whole other level because there's 496 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: so much history and the pieces that you're wearing. I'm 497 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: curious about this. You spoke about the other women that 498 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: have been in this role. I'm sure you've had opportunities 499 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: to connect with the other alphabus. What is the best 500 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: piece of advice you've gotten from somebody in the past. 501 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a good question. 502 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so curious. 503 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just need another alphabet to be like, you're 504 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: not crazy, Like what you're going through is hard. But 505 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: I think two pieces of advice really stick out to me. 506 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: One is from Jackie Burns, who I am obsessed with. 507 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: I just think that she's awesome. She's just like an 508 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: awesome human, and she's also was such a phenomenal alphaba. 509 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: She said, just do it your way. I remember she 510 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: was like, just do it the way you want to 511 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: do it, and I remember being like I just needed 512 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: someone to give me permission to do that. And then 513 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: the other one is from Talia Sescaa, who I stood 514 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: by for to start, and she said, it seems really 515 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: hard right now, but it's going to be gone in 516 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: a blip. 517 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: Do you feel like the year has flown by? 518 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 519 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: I feel like it was yesterday that I was watching 520 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: your video compilation of everybody's reaction, Yeah, when you got 521 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: the role, which gave me chills. 522 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it must have been in a 523 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: time where I was like, this feels really hard and 524 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: it feels really unfair that I have to do X, 525 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: Y and Z and blah blah blah. Right like it 526 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: just felt like too much for me, and she was like, 527 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: I know, it feels hard right now. And she had 528 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: just like the year before, close to her contract, you 529 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. She's like, you know, it feels hard, 530 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna miss it. And hearing like another Alphaba being 531 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: like you're gonna miss it, just like find the best 532 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: parts about it right now was so helpful for me 533 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, you're right, this is not forever, 534 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: so let me see like how I can make the 535 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: best of it. 536 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, this moment in time is so surreal 537 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: that you're living through, Like how cool is it to be? Like, 538 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: it's why this show. I'm the twenty fifth Alphaba. This show. 539 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: The movie's coming out. 540 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: It's been one of the most iconic times too be 541 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: alpha ba. 542 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been crazy. And the movie comes out on 543 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: Friday and we've already all seen it. 544 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: Okay, give me your thoughts on the movie. 545 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. Like it's absolutely brilliant. John m 546 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: Chu just like builds the world. It was like so 547 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: cool as someone who's been in the wicked world for 548 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: so long to see the world built out. And I 549 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: think that that is the thing that hit me the most, 550 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: which was just like, Wow, this is a full I 551 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: don't have to imagine anything like it is there for me. 552 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: Right, I know, I'm so excited to be immersed in 553 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: the world of OZ. 554 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: It is so cool. It is so cool. And then 555 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: like the performances are like to die for, Like they're 556 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: just they're giving you everything you want and it's unexpected, 557 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: and I think they could have gone a different way, 558 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: but for some reason, it's so good. 559 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: I think my favorite thing going into the movie that 560 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to see is knowing that they performed 561 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: the songs live. 562 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, while on set, I did see like a meme 563 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: that was like nobody knows, like how hard this is? 564 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Like they're singing live. Oh my god, Like nobody knows 565 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: how hard this is. And literally I'm like looking at 566 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: my Glinda, like, oh my god. You know we do 567 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: this eight times. 568 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: A week, right, Like we do this live eight times 569 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: a week? Right? 570 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: None of this is canned, right? 571 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, how hard does it to sing live? 572 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: Oh that many times a week? 573 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: It's tough? 574 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you keep your voice healthy? 575 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Strict routine, rest, water, steam, I've seen y Yeah, nebulizing, gargling, 576 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: not getting sick. That's the big This thing is probably 577 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: not getting sick, right. 578 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm curious musical compared to the movie. What is 579 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: your favorite part in the musical when you're performing, and 580 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: what was your favorite part in the movie And do 581 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: they differ are they the same. 582 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: My favorite part of performing in the show is the 583 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: end of defying gravity when I know that I have them, 584 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: like I know I have the audience with me, when 585 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: it's I do ah boom, and then there's a big 586 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: broom hit and a blackout and sometimes people will be 587 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: like cheering throughout that, and then I'm like, Okay, I 588 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: don't have everyone. But if nobody is cheering throughout that, 589 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: and then there's like a big break where you can 590 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: feel the whole theater go and then scream afterwards, that 591 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: is like crack to me, Like that is like I 592 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: love it. That just makes me feel like, Okay, we're 593 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: all in this together. It's like a collective theater experience. 594 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: That's my favorite part. My favorite part of watching the 595 00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: movie is that we watched it with the whole Broadway company, 596 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: the cast, management, producers, original cast of Wicked, and I 597 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: had a perfect view of Kristin chenow With and Ariana 598 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: Grande who matched which was iconic, and they were sitting 599 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: in the center of the theater watching Popular and Popular 600 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: is unbelievable, like it's perfect, and Kristen started a standing 601 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: ovation after it Popular was over, and the whole theater 602 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: like leaped to its feet to cheer for Ariana. 603 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, because it was that good. 604 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: Because it was that good, and I think that there 605 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: was something really special about watching it. I felt like 606 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I was watching it through my eyes and also through 607 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: my cast size, and also through Kristin chennow With's size, 608 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: which is crazy, and Ariana's eyes because Kristin had never 609 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: seen it yet and so for her to respond like 610 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: that for our new Glinda was like so precious, you 611 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like felt like such a charmed moment. 612 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: That was my favorite part I think of the movie 613 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: was Popular. 614 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: And it's so much like communal support, like you will. 615 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: Guys all know the amount of work that goes into 616 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 2: performing these songs, so it's so cool to see like 617 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: and have a group of people I'm sure that all 618 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: share that same experience to cheer for one person because 619 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: this is their moment and it's so exciting totally. Yeah, totally. 620 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: You know what's funny about the movie too. Okay, so 621 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: it's like hanging out with my crew friends at the 622 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: bar at the after party, right, and they were like, 623 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: we were like running our tracks during the show, like 624 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: we got to get this part movement because we got 625 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: to get the statue down, like running their cues during 626 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: the movie, which is like something I never even thought about. 627 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: As somebody that's performed the show for so long and 628 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: has an emotional connection to it. What is going on 629 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: with everybody crying? In the interviews that I keep seeing 630 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: on social media, there's a lot of crying. Do you 631 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: think it's just because it's such a cathartic experience to 632 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 2: finally have it be aired since it's been three years 633 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: in the making. That was kind of my take on it. 634 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: It's got to be that, Yeah, it's I think that 635 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: it's such a big deal for both of them and 636 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: now it's done and they get to sort of like 637 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: live in the glory. They're living in the in between 638 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: of like the glory of having completed this massive feat 639 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: but no one having seen it to say it's not 640 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: good or it's not bad, So they're living in this 641 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: in between, which I think probably feels really like like floating, 642 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: and I think they're probably exhausted. 643 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: You know what I need to see what I need 644 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: to see all of the Alphaba's and all the Glinda's 645 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: and Ariana Grande and Cynthia and the cast of the 646 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: movie come together and do a performance where you guys 647 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: all sing together. 648 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: That would be amazing. 649 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. If that happens, I need to be a fly. 650 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: That would be so cool for the Oscars, be so 651 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: freaking cool. 652 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: Do you think there's a world where that happens. 653 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Didn't they They did something like that 654 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: for Greatest Showmen or Slay Miz or something they brought 655 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: like Broadway talent in. 656 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: And I know there's been moments where you guys have 657 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: sang together in reunions for Wicked with people that have 658 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: played the. 659 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: Roles in the past. But that would be awesome. 660 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: It would be so awesome. 661 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 662 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: Oh, I just feel like, put it out there. 663 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: I love that. 664 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm putting it out there because I would die 665 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: to see that. Oh, we gotta manifest it. Okay, wrapping up, 666 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: you're leaving Wicked in three months. What are we looking 667 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: forward to in twenty twenty five. That's what I always 668 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: like to wrap my podcast with. 669 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: That's a great question, one that many people find confusifying, 670 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: which is that's Glinda's opening. I could be happy to 671 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: do something with a lot less pressure and a lot 672 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: less eyes on me and a lot less heavy lifting, 673 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I feel like this year 674 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: has given me like a whole new skill set of 675 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: strength and character that I'm like primed for something even 676 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: harder and heavier and bigger. It's like I have two 677 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: roads in front of me, and so I don't know 678 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I'm ready for what's next, and 679 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm ready to leave Wicked, like I'm ready to sort 680 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: of say goodbye to the green life because of how 681 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: long I've been doing it and I feel like I 682 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: did it, Like I feel like I did it and 683 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: I did it well, and I'm proud of the work 684 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: that I'm leaving behind, and that feels like enough for me, 685 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't feel like I 686 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: need to keep doing it for forever. 687 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: Well, I'm so freaking excited for you, everybody. Three more 688 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: months with Mary Kate Morrissey as Alphaba and Wicked. Get 689 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: your tickets, Go see the show, go see the movie. 690 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: Let us know your favorite part.