WEBVTT - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts -  March Madness, 49ers Hit the “Reset” Button, Chargers Win The AFC West?

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<v Speaker 1>The volume. All right, it's time for our weekly hour

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<v Speaker 1>with John Middlecoff, who will eventually take some time off.

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<v Speaker 1>He got married last week. And okay, let's do some NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I had said this last year. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the Niners were going to start regressing. I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>should have started the rebuild last year. They did it.

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<v Speaker 1>This year. They let Debo and Hufunga and Green Lawn

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<v Speaker 1>Shavarious Ward go. They have twelve draft picks, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a week draft, so let's say you hit on six

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<v Speaker 1>year draft picks. I thought last year was the first

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<v Speaker 1>year in the last several. I just didn't think their

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<v Speaker 1>defense was intimidating. I thought when Bosa was off the field,

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<v Speaker 1>it was weak. I thought you could kind of manipulate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said this, I think Darnold and the Seahawks have

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to be really interesting. Where are you on

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<v Speaker 1>the Niners right now? A lot of draft picks. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to let Houfunk Gun Green Law Goals

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<v Speaker 1>are excellent instinctive players. I mean, now you're getting to

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<v Speaker 1>a point now where you're really crossing your fingers with

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<v Speaker 1>Christian McCaffrey and Trent Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>Big time. I think every move in a vacuum is

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<v Speaker 2>easy to justify, it's not. I mean green Law was

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<v Speaker 2>coming off of torn achilles, came back for a half,

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<v Speaker 2>he looked like Fred Warner junior, and then couldn't play

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the season. Who funk got acl multiple

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<v Speaker 2>injuries to it, like all the all the moves in

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<v Speaker 2>a vacuum. Oh, let him go. You're not gonna pay

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<v Speaker 2>that much for banks trade this backup running back. He

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna make five million dollars on the totality, though,

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<v Speaker 2>You go, that's losing a lot of guys, like who

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be your backups? I think they would

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<v Speaker 2>have somewhat started last year. It's much more difficult, though,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have a team coming off being up late

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<v Speaker 2>in the Super Bowl against the current dynasty. So you go,

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<v Speaker 2>we are right there. All these guys are championship level players.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're big mistake in where they got really

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<v Speaker 2>rattled for a long period of time. The Niners, like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen twenty years ago, they could extend the Patrick Willis's,

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<v Speaker 2>the Frank Ors, the Vernon Davis's relatively cheap and they

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<v Speaker 2>were great at it. Because Parrague Marate their Mundy guy

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<v Speaker 2>is elite. He's like Howie Roseman, but he's not a GM.

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<v Speaker 2>He just like runs the York's money and he runs

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<v Speaker 2>their international soccer team well as the Caps exploded players.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say it's the NBA, but they

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<v Speaker 2>do have a lot more juice. When Jamar Chase says

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not playing for anything less than thirty eight to

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<v Speaker 2>forty million dollars, like he's not really bullshit, Like he's

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<v Speaker 2>not taking a discount. The top guys have some juice,

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<v Speaker 2>but now the middle tier guys, like they would have

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<v Speaker 2>laughed at Brandon Auke ten years ago and they would

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<v Speaker 2>have won, but they were kind of in no man's land,

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<v Speaker 2>and their coach, you know, who has a lot of juice,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get rid of their best receiver, and

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<v Speaker 2>he took advantage of him, and that really rattled them

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<v Speaker 2>because they immediately regretted it. If they could do that

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<v Speaker 2>all over again, they would have traded him before the

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<v Speaker 2>draft instead. Now they're trying to trade him. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>an ACL and like he's untradeable for anything of value,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're kind of in a weird spot. But the

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<v Speaker 2>elephant in the room is the quarterback. And listen, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Silver has known the Shanahan family for thirty plus years

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been reporting like they are telling everyone, take

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<v Speaker 2>a deep breath. We're cutting some costs and we got

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of recalibrate because I think they saw what

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<v Speaker 2>the Rams did these last couple of years. Yes, now

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<v Speaker 2>the difference is and look look at what the Bills

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<v Speaker 2>did last year. I mean the Bills got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>like half their big names. Well, Josh Allen's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest talents I've ever seen, and Matt Stafford whall

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<v Speaker 2>Older was right there with would be considered Josh Allen

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago. He just played first shitty franchise, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's not Brock Purty and we all know that. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at the NFC colin the two best quarterbacks you'd say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I would say win wise and statistically would

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<v Speaker 2>be Jalen and Jared Goff are on loaded rosters offensively,

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<v Speaker 2>like we would say, you put either one of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys on like the Jags or a bad team, it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be props. Pretty the same thing. When he's on

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<v Speaker 2>a good team, he's proven he canna be a really

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<v Speaker 2>good player. But like if you're cutting costs and depending

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<v Speaker 2>on some randos. It's just it's a pretty scary I

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<v Speaker 2>do think they are gonna low ball Brock party and

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna make this more difficult because they before it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, hey, Trent, what do you want? Which

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<v Speaker 2>I know would have a problem with doing that to Trent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but the two were It's like, you're not Jamar Chase

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<v Speaker 2>and your team doesn't play like that. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense. I get the Cowboys. They throw out to

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<v Speaker 2>Ceedee Lamb every other play. Yes, Brandon and I you

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<v Speaker 2>had a career year seventy five. But at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, they do have a big time coach

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<v Speaker 2>at a bad year, but he's proven to be really

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<v Speaker 2>good and still a culture. They get Robert solid Back.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't count him out yet, but it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of new names Colin, and they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>very dependent on these high They have the eleventh pick,

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<v Speaker 2>like you need a Micah Parsons. You need to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Eagles and the Cowboy. When the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 2>got Mike O or the Eagles got Davonte Smith. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to nail this well.

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<v Speaker 1>And also there are certain positions in football running back

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<v Speaker 1>I think wide receiver, some say cornerback, where you can

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<v Speaker 1>come in and make an impact pretty quickly. It's very instinctive.

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<v Speaker 1>But where the Niners are drafting offensive line, maybe another

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<v Speaker 1>tight end, you know, a play calling linebacker, a crucial

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<v Speaker 1>safety in their defense. Those are hard positions to go

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<v Speaker 1>college and pro. I mean, if you look at very

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<v Speaker 1>few tight ends come into this league, brock Bauers is

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<v Speaker 1>a total outlier. Very good tight ends have struggled because

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<v Speaker 1>the blocking assignments now are so so difficult compared to college.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Niners are asking players from college in the

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<v Speaker 1>twelve draft picks to come into positions replace excellent instinctive,

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<v Speaker 1>smart veteran players. Forget just making tackles. I mean green

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<v Speaker 1>law is, I mean he is. He and Warner are

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<v Speaker 1>anchors and communicators, and I think those kind of positions

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<v Speaker 1>to replace, I have no problem. You know, it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. If they're replacing you know, one corner one

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<v Speaker 1>running back, you get to the offensive line. In Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>Shanahan's system, you're lost until Thanksgiving. That's a tough rebuild.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure. Same with wide receivers. I mean same

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<v Speaker 2>with Listen. Even if they draft defensive lineman with the

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh pick, Khalil Mack, who's one of the better players

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<v Speaker 2>of his generation. I think at four and a half

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<v Speaker 2>sacks his rookie year. Jared Verse last year, who came

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<v Speaker 2>on toward the end, wasn't a dominant, dominant force all

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<v Speaker 2>season long.

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<v Speaker 1>I covered Warren Sap in Tampa. It wasn't until the

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<v Speaker 1>end of his first year that he made an impact

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<v Speaker 1>here too. He was fantastic. But this league, there are

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<v Speaker 1>guys that can make impacts. But I don't see the Niners.

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<v Speaker 2>Their schedule sucks, their schedules bad. They have a last

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<v Speaker 2>play schedule and they get to draft really high in

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<v Speaker 2>every round. I think one of the divisions they play

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<v Speaker 2>is the AFC South. I mean, I would say even

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<v Speaker 2>before this mass exodus, I still think ten wins is

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<v Speaker 2>very very you know, look at what the Rams have

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<v Speaker 2>done these last couple of years. I think sometimes when

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<v Speaker 2>you are as they say in most you know, world

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<v Speaker 2>industries on boarding players. I think McVeigh uses that too,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a little time and then you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>catch fire. I mean, I think they were one in

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<v Speaker 2>four last year and two and three and six the

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<v Speaker 2>year before. Now, you don't want to make a living.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you do that ten times. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna end up with seven or eight wins. But

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<v Speaker 2>you start a little slow and then you peak. One

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<v Speaker 2>thing is very, very key for the forty nine ers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say two guys. Trent Williams got to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the field, and if Christian McCaffrey is just healthy, which

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<v Speaker 2>who knows. I mean, he had multiple akilles, he tore

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<v Speaker 2>his knee, but he is a major, major wild card

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL, going back to the Panther days. When

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<v Speaker 2>he's on the field, he's one of the best players

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<v Speaker 2>in the league. When he's off, especially with Kyle, he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of derails their operation.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought the team, you can tell who has

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<v Speaker 1>the power. In most organizations, McVeigh runs the Rams. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Shanahan until recently had power on the draft. Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Reid doesn't want it necessarily, Belichick did, Sean Payton does

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver. You can tell the moves when coaches are making.

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago clearly signaled that Ben Johnson's run the show for

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<v Speaker 1>him to replace the entire interior. O line was telling

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Poles, you got your picks stink. And I thought, frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>for the Chicago Bears, who I've been saying this for

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<v Speaker 1>so many years, they're like, they're just a defensive culture.

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<v Speaker 1>For a guy to come in and spend money on

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<v Speaker 1>guards and centers, I thought it was a real moment

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of the Chicago Bears. I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this field, I mean, how many years have the Steelers

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<v Speaker 1>been hamming egging it on their offensive line? Tomlin runs

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<v Speaker 1>the show, I for the first time that I can remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like the direction where the Bears are going well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes when you get like the whiz kid,

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<v Speaker 2>the great offensive coordinator, they just want to score points

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<v Speaker 2>and they're thinking quarterback and wide receiver. Ben Johnson's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>lucky that his welcome to stardom in the NFL started

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<v Speaker 2>with the trenches. I mean, I mean, let's face it,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lions really separated themselves with a dominant offensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>so they go and trade for a guy. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I talk about these young quarterbacks. By that

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<v Speaker 2>second year Thanksgiving, it's like you're on the clock, like

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<v Speaker 2>your career is in troubles. It's like that now with

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<v Speaker 2>free agency, the Rams side Jojah Jackson last year, three years,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one million dollars. Less than a year later, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like traded. I mean these teams now, the money and

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<v Speaker 2>the cash bonuses. Sealing that not in a million years,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, up till what seven eight years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>would have ever happened because no owner, it's like he's

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<v Speaker 2>a good player, and it's like, yeah, not a great fit.

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<v Speaker 2>Seal you later. So they get a guy that they know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Falcon Center is good and you see Andy Reid's

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<v Speaker 2>quotes on toon, He's like, he's one of the toughest

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<v Speaker 2>guys I've ever We don't want to trade this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We just there's money involved and we can't afford to

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<v Speaker 2>keep them lay.

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<v Speaker 1>We had the best year of his career arguably because

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<v Speaker 1>he went to left Tackleon was excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>To me. He's like his generation's Logan Mankins. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just a plug and play guy who could play multiple

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<v Speaker 2>positions as a stud. The other thing is when you

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<v Speaker 2>have a smaller quarterback. You know, Non Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,

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<v Speaker 2>the flat gol that generation and all those guys were huge,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Carson Palmer, Caleb. This generation is a little smaller, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Payton dealt with one in that generation, and they

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<v Speaker 2>always invested in centers and guards. They had high because

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure up the middle it rattles and he can't

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<v Speaker 2>see where Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Historically they had

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty random guys on some seasons when they had

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<v Speaker 2>good teams playing center and guard, they get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Smaller quarterbacks cannot. It hurts pretty sometimes when they get

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<v Speaker 2>in past situations and the garden center gets smoked. He's swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>He can handle the outside pressure because he can move around.

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<v Speaker 2>Same with Caleb he can move. But up the middle

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<v Speaker 2>you are screwed. So they they could have I know

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<v Speaker 2>they've invested draft picks and some tackles, but we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>how good those guys turn out to be. But they

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<v Speaker 2>went all in on the garden center position because I

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<v Speaker 2>think with a smaller quarterback it's really really important to

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<v Speaker 2>just neutralize. Think how many teams also have a good

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<v Speaker 2>interior pass rush now, So yeah, it was hard to

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was a no brainer. Moved by the Bears,

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<v Speaker 2>and Ryan Pole is pretty lucky that this the way

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<v Speaker 2>this He kept his job and he's still here and

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<v Speaker 2>he gets to be a.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of this. Yeah, I mean a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>he whiffed on Villas Jones and I was like, oh dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have called me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Chase played with Rome. I mean, Rome

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<v Speaker 2>was a pretty looking back. You should have taken an

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<v Speaker 2>offensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Villas Jones, miss Chase Claypool, miss Roma Danze

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<v Speaker 1>not as good as we thought.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, I think you and I agree. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears are head in the right direction. You just

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out something and I've been on this for a

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<v Speaker 1>few years that I think there's a duality to all

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<v Speaker 1>the owners being billionaires and some being ten, fifteen, twenty billionaires.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that number one? The downside is they're more willing

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<v Speaker 1>to just fire people quickly. They're more impulsive than they've

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<v Speaker 1>ever been when they were all worth six hundred million.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're not just riding a seventeen to twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar check to blow out a staff. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>not doing it. Now. These guys will just blow out

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<v Speaker 1>a seventy million dollar staff. So who does that hurt?

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<v Speaker 1>It hurts a young quarterback who has to have another staff. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Caleb Williams, even though he upgrades staffs. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new system. So that's the downside. The upside, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is when you make a mistake with personnel like Rams

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<v Speaker 1>and Jonah Jackson where it just didn't feel great, you

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<v Speaker 1>can just move off it. And so you know this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you can never move off NBA contracts or

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<v Speaker 1>baseball contracts. They're so guaranteed. In the NFL. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>you make a mistake, guys just write shacks and go all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, big Jo.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for the Bears to get Drew Dolman and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Toney, Jesus, you have your You're you may not

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<v Speaker 1>be Philadelphia or Detroit, but that's a top three interior

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<v Speaker 1>O line in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's you even use I mean, the craziest example

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<v Speaker 2>currently is his cousin's example. Now, I know Arthur Blank

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<v Speaker 2>is probably I don't know where he ranks, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>not near the bottom when it comes to wealth. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna us around. We're gonna pay you ten

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<v Speaker 2>million for next year. He obviously he's not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>the team next year, and we'll eat it until we

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<v Speaker 2>figure this out. But you are gonna capitulate and you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give us a trade eventually before the season starts.

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<v Speaker 2>That never would happen. I thought it was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no human lives is gonna give him ten million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>guaranteed for next year. Cousin's gonna win this. They will

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<v Speaker 2>cut him. I thought he'd be cut, you know, Wednesday Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, they just picked it up. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>still there and we'll just have a staring contest. It's

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<v Speaker 2>that that never would have happened without the influx of cash.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this when some of these deals are I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Aaron Banks, the Niners left guard, got, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>so much money. Milton Williams, who is obviously a really

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<v Speaker 2>talented players he never played more than fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the snap for the Eagles, got twenty six million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching a clip of Jim Harbaugh and I

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<v Speaker 1>had just had this discussion with Steve Kime about a

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<v Speaker 1>week ago, two weeks ago, and I said, if I

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<v Speaker 1>was ever a GM, because he owes jokes. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a talk show host. You want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a GM. And I'm like, you know, I like my job,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would love to be a GM, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I would have put thirty years into that instead

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<v Speaker 1>of what I'm doing. Who knows, you know, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I told him, I said I would overdraft the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line. And Harbaugh said this, and this is what

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and I said. Jim put it more smartly. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>there's only one unit in a football field that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>rely on any other unit, yet every other unit relies

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And he said, it's offensive line. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>your quarterback better, your running back's better, your tight end

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to block as vigorously, your wide receivers have

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<v Speaker 1>more time to get downfield. It keeps your defense off

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<v Speaker 1>the field if you have a great offensive line. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of those things where when you go

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<v Speaker 1>back to drafting Joe Ault over a wide receiver, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears went wide receiver and then this year had to

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<v Speaker 1>spend a fortune on their offensive line instead of The

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<v Speaker 1>Bears probably should have gone O line instead of going

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<v Speaker 1>with Romadunze. But it is interesting that the more the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, changes and becomes an offensive league. We pay

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<v Speaker 1>so much attention to quarterbacks. But I and I made

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<v Speaker 1>this pick the other day. I think the Chiefs are

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<v Speaker 1>going to struggle and I don't think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>win their division. I don't think in this draft class

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<v Speaker 1>there's a starting left tackle good enough in their division

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<v Speaker 1>to block Max Crosby or Khalil Mack or the kid

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<v Speaker 1>number fifteen Oklahoma Bito Budido. And it's really interesting I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, right now, the three or four teams I

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<v Speaker 1>like in the league all have great old lines, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Philadelphia, Detroit. I thought the Rams finally got

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<v Speaker 1>their act together offensive line. I think Buffalo's last year

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<v Speaker 1>was better than people thought. I thought Denver's was better

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<v Speaker 1>than people thought. I think Kansas City, I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>just baked it in.

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<v Speaker 2>John.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going ten to one in close games next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree there, but their offensive line was

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<v Speaker 2>puture this year on the on the edges, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were able to well. I mean, they were basically a

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen and one team. They threw the last game of

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<v Speaker 2>the season. So when it comes to coaching, when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to quarterback play, and most importantly, their defense is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be good. So like part of the reason they

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<v Speaker 2>were winn all these games because they could win nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>to seventeen. They weren't allowing many points that that is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to change. Now the Chargers in the Broncos,

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have been saying this. Anyone with common

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<v Speaker 2>sense has been saying this. The worst their teams were

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be was last season. They're both gonna be better.

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<v Speaker 2>So if either Houfunga or Greenlaw play, that defense is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be improved in Denver's defense was awesome. When

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Dk Metcalf ask for a trade, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that covered the NFL were like the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, guys, do you think that Jim Harbaugh is

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<v Speaker 2>going to trade a top whatever fifty pick and pay

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<v Speaker 2>a third contract to this kind of out there wide

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<v Speaker 2>receiver though very talented, kind of the poor man's modern

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<v Speaker 2>day Torell Owens type. It's different, But I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>think physically they have some to Dk Metcalf. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys nuts? And what does he do? He goes signs

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<v Speaker 2>Makai Beckton and he's he's got a huge I see

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday he's got a huge smile on his face. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>have you guys not followed Jim Harbaugh's career since Stanford?

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<v Speaker 2>This they might draft a wide receiver this year in

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<v Speaker 2>the third round. I would expect tight end, d lineman

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<v Speaker 2>running back like it's Naji Harris. When I was living

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<v Speaker 2>in the Bay Area, Naj was his senior year, was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest recruits in the country. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he was number one recruit. He was number one and

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<v Speaker 2>it was committed to go to Alabama, but Jim was

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting him very hard. And I saw a clip that

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<v Speaker 2>Jim had an Antioch. I think he went to the

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<v Speaker 2>homecoming game. He announced their king and queen and so

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<v Speaker 2>like that's who he's Listen. I'm not the biggest nause

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<v Speaker 2>star running back, first round guy, but he is a solid,

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<v Speaker 2>runs down hill, physical guy. Like that's how Jim wants

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<v Speaker 2>to play. Jim wants to play a lot like this

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<v Speaker 2>version of the Chiefs and clearly Denver. I think Sean

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<v Speaker 2>would like to be a little more explosive down the field,

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<v Speaker 2>but like that that division is gonna be really physical.

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<v Speaker 2>And same thing with the I mean, we know how

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Carroll, why did he butt heads with Russell Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Russell wanted to throw it fifty times a game. Pete

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to throw about twenty in play d and run

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. So I think this defense is gonna or

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<v Speaker 2>this divisions is gonna look a lot like each other. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if for she Rice is healthy, Xavier Worthy

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<v Speaker 2>came on. I do think the Chiefs offense could get

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<v Speaker 2>more explosive, and I would also guess that they draft

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<v Speaker 2>a running back. I think all these teams in this

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<v Speaker 2>division could draft running backs. Yes, and if two of

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<v Speaker 2>the four of them become stars, whichever ones those guys

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<v Speaker 2>go to, like the next Yamier Gibbs or whoever Nick Chubb,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you name it, those second round running backs

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<v Speaker 2>hit for one of these teams could be the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>If all of a sudden, you tell me Denver it

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<v Speaker 2>has a version of Nick Chubb or you know, Alvin

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<v Speaker 2>Kamara on their squad, I'd be like, well, why couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>they win twelve or thirteen games? Same thing with with Chargers.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe this is the year the Chiefs win. Two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago when they won a Super Bowl, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they won eleven games. So the difference between eleven and

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen is like a couple of missfield goals and a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of fumbles go your way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the yeah, it's it's I thought. I thought DeVante

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<v Speaker 1>Adams was obviously a great move for the Rams. But

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, Najie Harris, there were a couple of moves

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<v Speaker 1>I loved offensively. I think Deebo Samuel to Cliff Kingsbury

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<v Speaker 1>and Jaden is a sensational move for them. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>He'll get tons of looks and by the way, it

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<v Speaker 1>will give Cliff another twelve offensive plays because Deebo is

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<v Speaker 1>such a unique player. And then I also thought, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Najie Harris. I'm like, remember a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago when Kevin Dohnson wasn't going to start for

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers, McVeagh grams him and he literally is the

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<v Speaker 1>highest rated guard in the league. Naj Harris with that

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh go line, everybody's like almost as semi. I bust

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<v Speaker 1>watch him with hardball, watch him be really effective with hardball.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of this all the time. Is I remember

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<v Speaker 1>a GM telling this year's ago he said, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to love drafting Georgia guys when Mark Rick was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Great recruiter, didn't squeeze all the juice out of a

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<v Speaker 1>player like you got. You know, these guys had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of upside. Nick Saban squeezes every ounce of talent

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<v Speaker 1>out of guys. And one of the things I look

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<v Speaker 1>at John, when these offensive coaches like McVeigh will go

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<v Speaker 1>and find wide receivers. He looked at DeVante and he

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<v Speaker 1>thought Jets staff last year was like third tier. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>DeVante's gonna make eighty catches for us, So I thought, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so, I do think when you see these

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<v Speaker 1>offensive coaches they find some of these defensive cultures and

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<v Speaker 1>they find players and go get me that well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you look at the Eagles last year, Makai Beckton.

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<v Speaker 2>This year they trade for that former first round pick

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<v Speaker 2>from the Doones because now listen, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>hit on them all, but the power of having good

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<v Speaker 2>coordinators and now so many of the offensive ones are

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<v Speaker 2>also the head coach. But you see it a lot

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<v Speaker 2>when the star offensive line coach or the star defensive

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<v Speaker 2>line coach. It's like buying a cheap stock and the

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<v Speaker 2>guy a year later turns into a twelve million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>player you can't afford, but you bought low like you

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<v Speaker 2>profited from it. And I think the best teams always

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<v Speaker 2>have that ability. I also think the Washington Commanders with

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<v Speaker 2>Debo and with Tunsel touns Old not as much because

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<v Speaker 2>he would get paid no matter what you got. Debo's

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<v Speaker 2>in a contract years like Debo. If you ever want

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<v Speaker 2>to make a even of a two year, forty million

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<v Speaker 2>dollar contract, again, you got to slim down and give

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<v Speaker 2>us all you got. And I think sometimes getting those

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<v Speaker 2>guys motivated is a really big deal for these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be a guy going to their third

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<v Speaker 2>contract probably be like thirty four years old. These guys

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<v Speaker 2>are a little younger now, you know, they're twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years old, sometimes on their third you know, DK Metcalf. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not as old as you know in previous generation.

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<v Speaker 2>And so sometimes these teams now with their cap space,

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<v Speaker 2>these free aging classes after like the first ten names,

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<v Speaker 2>most of them like the average fans like who's that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>You can take advantage of it with traits overpriced guys

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's one of my favorite people in the media.

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<v Speaker 1>He has New York Times best selling books on Aaron Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 1>coach k Derek Jeter, and Bill Belichick. Pretty impressive resume.

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<v Speaker 1>He has got a new one coming out with Dan Hurley,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fascinating because Hurley and Yukon have had a

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<v Speaker 1>spirited and disappointing season, and the book is coming out

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<v Speaker 1>in September called Never Stop Life, Leadership and What it

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<v Speaker 1>Takes to Be Great, co written with Dan Hurley. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to that in a second. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start with Rick Patino and Saint John's. So for

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<v Speaker 1>the uninitiated, Saint John's is in Queens, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>five boroughs used to be in Brooklyn, actually a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago Catholic university between the airports is how I

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<v Speaker 1>remember being described to me one time, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>in the Big East, which is the greatest basketball conference,

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<v Speaker 1>the most personality filled basketball conference at its best in

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<v Speaker 1>the history, between players and coaches, and so Louis carnaseca

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<v Speaker 1>Ages of Leaves. It's not the same university many people tried.

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<v Speaker 1>Then one of the great coaches of all time, Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Bettina and New Yorker gets the job. So let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I couldn't say the last time Duke and

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<v Speaker 1>Saint John's both had a chance to win the title

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<v Speaker 1>in the same tournament. So it's a fascinating tournament. But

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<v Speaker 1>when Rick took the job, I mean I said this

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. You know, his moral compass has sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>flipped around, But in terms of basketball iq EQ and

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<v Speaker 1>program building.

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<v Speaker 2>He is.

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<v Speaker 1>He is parcels plus Urban Meyer. You know, he is

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<v Speaker 1>just one of these guys that can do a Jim Harbaugh.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the secret sauce?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Rick? What is his secret sauce? What's different between Rick

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<v Speaker 1>and so many other coaches that go to these programs?

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<v Speaker 1>I own a Saint John's and just make it work quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Great question, And I think, first of all, I think

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<v Speaker 4>the two best, which is in the history of the sport,

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<v Speaker 4>are John Wooden and Mike Sheryzewsky. So if you look

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<v Speaker 4>at their bodies of work, yeah, I think they're the

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<v Speaker 4>top two. But I also believe Rick Patino is just

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<v Speaker 4>as good as they were. I think that he's as

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<v Speaker 4>good as any college basketball coach ever. And it's just

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<v Speaker 4>the ferocity with which he gets his kids to play defense.

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<v Speaker 4>And it really works at Saint John's, and of course

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<v Speaker 4>it worked at Louisville, it worked at Kentucky and to Providence.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's such a New Yorker and that is such

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<v Speaker 4>a New York style of play on the playgrounds that

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<v Speaker 4>it really translates. And this has been a very likable team.

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<v Speaker 4>The city has fallen in love with Saint John's. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>when I started my career, Saint John's would take the

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<v Speaker 4>back page of the tabloids away from the Knicks, and

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<v Speaker 4>so it's been a long time since that was possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, the tabloids aren't what they used to be

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<v Speaker 4>in New York or newspapers anywhere, of course, but Saint

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<v Speaker 4>John's is now a team that the city has embraced.

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<v Speaker 4>And Patino that style of played. He did it even

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<v Speaker 4>with the mix, pressing, defense, attention to detail, just playing

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<v Speaker 4>with that ferocity. And yeah, I don't know if I've

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen a coach get his kids consistently to play

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<v Speaker 4>any harder than Rick Patino's teams everywhere he's been, including

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<v Speaker 4>in the NBA outside of the Celtics. But yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 4>an amazing when it comes to x'es and o's and

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<v Speaker 4>motivation and recruiting, He's an amazing coach, There's no question

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<v Speaker 4>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is very unique. I have them making the

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<v Speaker 1>Final four. They don't shoot threes particularly well, but either

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<v Speaker 1>does half ninety percent of the field. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>see San Diego's rare BYU is rare. Saint John's can't

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>shoot threes, Houston's not great at it. Michigan State can't.

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I watched Michigan Michigan State play a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago, and Michigan State ends up scoring in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties. I don't know how, but they get there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really use that as a deficit. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Saint John's can muscle and defend and coach its

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<v Speaker 1>way to the final four. But I'll go being back

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<v Speaker 1>to my initial point. You know Duke basketball because of

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<v Speaker 1>the book Coach k which I strongly recommend if you've

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>never read it, it is I think it's in my opinion,

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it's your best book, and I've read all

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of them. I loved it. Duke is the most talented

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>team Coach k Leaves. And usually it almost always works

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<v Speaker 1>this way. You give it to a popular assistant coach

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and he just doesn't have the gravitas or the weight

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<v Speaker 1>to hold this massive brand afloat. But Duke this year

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<v Speaker 1>feels like to me the odds on favorite, like if

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<v Speaker 1>they want, it's the only team you wouldn't even ask

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>how you'd go? Okay, Cooper flag are you surprised by

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Coach k Leaves? And yet Duke remains vibrant.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm not surprised, Colin. I think Duke does recruit

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 4>itself to some degree. But John Shier's recruiting has been

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 4>unbelievable since coach k left. And you start with that.

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Of course, that's the lifeblood of college basketball in all

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<v Speaker 4>college sports, and he's been terrific at that, and he's

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 4>just a really good coach too, in terms of ex's

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 4>and o's. But if you look at that team right now,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's almost a perfect college basketball team. They've got

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<v Speaker 4>the big man who's seven to two with an incredible wingspan.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a top ten, top fifteen NBA pick. You've got

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<v Speaker 4>a forward who's a top fifteen on one side. On

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 4>the other side, you've got one of the best freshmen

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 4>we've ever seen in college basketball, who's the number one pick,

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 4>assuming he's healthy and he looks like he's going to play.

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 4>And in the backcourt you've got two guys who are six'

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 4>five at. Guard, now, yeah maybe the one question mark

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 4>you have against a team that has, smaller quicker, guards

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 4>maybe that's a little bit of an. Issue but, size,

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 4>skill the, coaching the, pedigree everything is in place For

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<v Speaker 4>dupe to. Win the national. CHAMPIONSHIP i actually don't think they,

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 4>will BUT i certainly wouldn't be surprised if they, do

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 4>because they probably do have the best. TEAM i actual

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<v Speaker 4>you Think houston is going to win the national, Title

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 4>and it's a bit of a strange. REASON i just

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Think Kelvin sampson has been such a good coach for so,

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 4>long it seems to me that he's going to get

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 4>one before he. Retires and you, look really that's kind

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 4>of a funny. Reason but if you look at the

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 4>way they, defend they have, guards AND i just think

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 4>at some point he's going to pick one. Off John

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 4>shire is very worthy coach of winning a national. Tie

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 4>if you recall from my, Book COACH k wanted him

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 4>to be the. Coach the university actually Wanted Tommy amacker

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 4>to be the next head, coach But COACH k sort

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<v Speaker 4>of got his way on that, one and, frankly you

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 4>cannot argue with the. Results John shire has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Tremendous, yeah for the, uninitiated, again for the people that

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>don't Follow duke closely or college, basketball what was? Boy

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that must have been, tough remember reading about it in your.

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Book you Have amaker And shire and you, know and

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>here Comes COACH. K, eventually you know he's going to

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>make a. Choice what Is shire's, strength what's this foundational

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>piece that made him the? Choice and why you Think

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>COACH k eventually leaned to him.

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Because he was in his. System it had been a

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 4>long time Since amaker had been an assistant At. Duke of,

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 4>course he was a very important player in the development

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 4>of that championship program Under COACH k and has done

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 4>a good job in THE Ivy. League But shier was.

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 4>There shire was a great. Player he was going to

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:32.719
<v Speaker 4>play of THE nba serious eye injury early in what

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:34.719
<v Speaker 4>would have BEEN i think a pretty GOOD nba. Career

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 4>but the way he relates to. Kids i've had just

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 4>a couple of conversations with, him but been around enough

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 4>people who are in his world, consistently and he's just

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 4>a very relatable. Guy and SO i think the fact

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 4>that he was a, really really good player there and

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 4>the fact that he is he's got the right personality

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 4>to connect with. People he obviously has THE x AND

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 4>o background From COACH, k and you put it all,

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 4>together and, again it is a campus that does recruit

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 4>itself to some degree and a program that does recruit

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 4>itself to some. Degree it's a pretty powerful. Combination SO i.

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Said this the other day on the. Show you, know

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>OBVIOUSLY i was in The northeast for ten and a half,

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>years but one of the THINGS i observed WHEN i

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>was in the city a lot or near it In

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>connecticut is, that you, know there's a lot Of yankee

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And met, fans and a lot Of giant And jet,

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>fans but everybody In New york likes The. Knicks it's

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>just every single FRIEND i had In New, york and

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>many of, them more than The yankees Or, giants Were

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>nick fans. First and, Again i'm old enough to remember

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>The Walt, Fraser Bill, Bradley Earl. Monroe, yet LIKE i

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>go back to the seventies when nobody. Won you, know

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>The lakers won a, title The warriors, did The Washington bullets,

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>did The, sonics The, blazers The, knicks and then there

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>were the Pat riley. Iterations BUT i always, Said, god

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>If dolan could get out of the, way this city

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>loves its team so. Much AND i think when The

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>sphere got built for two, Years dolan removed himself from the,

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>FACILITY i mean literally. Physically he was In vegas so,

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>often and it allowed The knicks to really grow this

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>really strong basketball, group AND i think they've made very,

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>patient very sharp. MOVES i don't Think kat is the,

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>future BUT i think he was the right move at

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the right. Time but there was a moment Between tibbs

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>And Josh hart the other day And Michale bridges it

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>was public that he had gone To. Tibbs, hey we

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>need to play the starters. Less you, know young players

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>don't get a lot of work and minutes Under. Tibbs

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>as great as the brief journey has been With, tom

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>it does feel, like does it not Ian to get

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>to the next, level you need two. Moves Karl Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>towns probably gets replace with a better defensive big or

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<v Speaker 1>just like A, kd a greater, player And tibbs may

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<v Speaker 1>not be the. Answer or is that me three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles away Guessing.

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<v Speaker 4>NO i think it's possible that's the. CASE i do

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<v Speaker 4>Think tibbs is good enough to win a championship as

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<v Speaker 4>a head. Coach they lose in the second round again this.

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<v Speaker 4>Year THERE i don't think he'll get replaced BECAUSE i

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<v Speaker 4>think he'll lose to a better. TEAM i think The

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<v Speaker 4>celtics are, better and surprisingly, ENOUGH i did not think

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 4>The cavs would be, better but they. Are they just.

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<v Speaker 4>Are so if they lose in the second, round to

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<v Speaker 4>say The, celtics defire the guy off that you're losing

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<v Speaker 4>to a better. Team The celtics have better. Players The

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<v Speaker 4>knicks have improved their rosters, certainly AND i didn't Think

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<v Speaker 4>Jalen bruns AND i wasn't sure if he'd be this

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<v Speaker 4>or it could be the second best player on a

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<v Speaker 4>championship team when they acquired. Him NOW i do think

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<v Speaker 4>he could be one of the top, two if not

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<v Speaker 4>the best player on a championship. Team he's an incredible,

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<v Speaker 4>player AND i think a lot of people In New

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<v Speaker 4>york were surprised by. THAT i think where The knicks

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<v Speaker 4>are right now is it's kind of funny Because jets

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<v Speaker 4>fans have been complaining and complaining About Woody, johnson the

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 4>owner for a long. Time Woody johnson hires and we'll

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<v Speaker 4>find out if he did the right general manager And

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 4>mouji and the right head coach And Aaron. Glenn he's

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<v Speaker 4>going to go away And jets fans will never talk about.

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Him The knicks fans are not talking About Jim, dollon

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 4>and they haven't now for a number of years because

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<v Speaker 4>he hired the right general. Manager AND i was a.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 4>Gamble Leon rose had never done this. Job he was

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<v Speaker 4>a very good, agent he had never been a general,

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<v Speaker 4>manager and early ON i wasn't so. Sure but turns

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<v Speaker 4>out he knows what he's, doing And, tims of course

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<v Speaker 4>everybody knew he knew what he was. Doing he's proven

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<v Speaker 4>that he could be a very valuable piece of a

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<v Speaker 4>coaching staff that won a championship In boston Under Doc,

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 4>rivers and so is. He it's almost Like Buck showalter

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 4>did all the dirty work on The yankees in the

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<v Speaker 4>mid nineties and then he got replaced By Joe, tory

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<v Speaker 4>And Joe tory then one flow up. Series i'm not

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<v Speaker 4>saying that the Next knicks coach is going to win

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<v Speaker 4>for tied in the next five years after that, happens

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<v Speaker 4>BUT i think that he's going to get one more

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<v Speaker 4>year after another second round. Exit maybe The knicks will

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<v Speaker 4>surprise us and win that second round matchup with say The.

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<v Speaker 4>CELTICS i don't think that will, happen BUT i do

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<v Speaker 4>think you're right in terms of the. Roster it looks

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<v Speaker 4>like they're still believe it or not after all the

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<v Speaker 4>moves they've made and what five number one picks For

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 4>bridges and then they made The cat deal and They

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 4>brunson deal was an incredible. One it still looks like

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<v Speaker 4>they need to make one more move and Maybe cat

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<v Speaker 4>is a part of that. Package but, yeah right, now

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<v Speaker 4>it's just they're in a tough way because of The

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<v Speaker 4>celtics being in their way and now The calves have

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<v Speaker 4>hurdled them and they sure look like they're for. Real

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<v Speaker 4>the volume