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Speaker 1: with John Middlecoff, who will eventually take some time off.

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Speaker 1: He got married last week. And okay, let's do some NFL.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had said this last year. I thought

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Speaker 1: the Niners were going to start regressing. I thought they

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Speaker 1: should have started the rebuild last year. They did it.

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Speaker 1: This year. They let Debo and Hufunga and Green Lawn

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Speaker 1: Shavarious Ward go. They have twelve draft picks, but it's

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Speaker 1: a week draft, so let's say you hit on six

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Speaker 1: year draft picks. I thought last year was the first

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Speaker 1: year in the last several. I just didn't think their

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Speaker 1: it was weak. I thought you could kind of manipulate it.

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Speaker 1: I said this, I think Darnold and the Seahawks have

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Speaker 1: a chance to be really interesting. Where are you on

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Speaker 1: the Niners right now? A lot of draft picks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they didn't want to let Houfunk Gun Green Law Goals

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Speaker 1: are excellent instinctive players. I mean, now you're getting to

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Speaker 1: a point now where you're really crossing your fingers with

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and Trent Williams.

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Speaker 2: Big time. I think every move in a vacuum is

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Speaker 2: easy to justify, it's not. I mean green Law was

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Speaker 2: coming off of torn achilles, came back for a half,

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Speaker 2: he looked like Fred Warner junior, and then couldn't play

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Speaker 2: the rest of the season. Who funk got acl multiple

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Speaker 2: injuries to it, like all the all the moves in

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Speaker 2: a vacuum. Oh, let him go. You're not gonna pay

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Speaker 2: that much for banks trade this backup running back. He

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Speaker 2: was gonna make five million dollars on the totality, though,

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Speaker 2: You go, that's losing a lot of guys, like who

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Speaker 2: are going to be your backups? I think they would

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Speaker 2: have somewhat started last year. It's much more difficult, though,

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Speaker 2: when you have a team coming off being up late

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl against the current dynasty. So you go,

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Speaker 2: we are right there. All these guys are championship level players.

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Speaker 2: I think they're big mistake in where they got really

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Speaker 2: rattled for a long period of time. The Niners, like

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Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years ago, they could extend the Patrick Willis's,

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Speaker 2: the Frank Ors, the Vernon Davis's relatively cheap and they

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Speaker 2: were great at it. Because Parrague Marate their Mundy guy

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Speaker 2: is elite. He's like Howie Roseman, but he's not a GM.

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Speaker 2: He just like runs the York's money and he runs

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Speaker 2: their international soccer team well as the Caps exploded players.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's the NBA, but they

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Speaker 2: do have a lot more juice. When Jamar Chase says

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Speaker 2: I'm not playing for anything less than thirty eight to

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Speaker 2: forty million dollars, like he's not really bullshit, Like he's

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Speaker 2: not taking a discount. The top guys have some juice,

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Speaker 2: but now the middle tier guys, like they would have

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Speaker 2: laughed at Brandon Auke ten years ago and they would

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Speaker 2: have won, but they were kind of in no man's land,

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Speaker 2: and their coach, you know, who has a lot of juice,

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Speaker 2: didn't want to get rid of their best receiver, and

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Speaker 2: he took advantage of him, and that really rattled them

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Speaker 2: because they immediately regretted it. If they could do that

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Speaker 2: all over again, they would have traded him before the

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Speaker 2: draft instead. Now they're trying to trade him. He's got

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Speaker 2: an ACL and like he's untradeable for anything of value,

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Speaker 2: and they're kind of in a weird spot. But the

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Speaker 2: elephant in the room is the quarterback. And listen, Mike

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Speaker 2: Silver has known the Shanahan family for thirty plus years

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Speaker 2: and he's been reporting like they are telling everyone, take

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Speaker 2: a deep breath. We're cutting some costs and we got

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Speaker 2: to kind of recalibrate because I think they saw what

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Speaker 2: the Rams did these last couple of years. Yes, now

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Speaker 2: the difference is and look look at what the Bills

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Speaker 2: like half their big names. Well, Josh Allen's one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest talents I've ever seen, and Matt Stafford whall

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Speaker 2: Older was right there with would be considered Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: ten years ago. He just played first shitty franchise, Like

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Speaker 2: that's not Brock Purty and we all know that. Look

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Speaker 2: at the NFC colin the two best quarterbacks you'd say,

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Speaker 2: you know, I would say win wise and statistically would

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Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb every other play. Yes, Brandon and I you

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Speaker 2: at a bad year, but he's proven to be really

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Speaker 2: good and still a culture. They get Robert solid Back.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't count him out yet, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of new names Colin, and they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: like you need a Micah Parsons. You need to you know,

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Speaker 1: And also there are certain positions in football running back

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Speaker 1: But where the Niners are drafting offensive line, maybe another

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Speaker 1: So the Niners are asking players from college in the

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Same with wide receivers. I mean same

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Speaker 1: I covered Warren Sap in Tampa. It wasn't until the

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Speaker 2: Their schedule sucks, their schedules bad. They have a last

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Speaker 2: before this mass exodus, I still think ten wins is

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Speaker 2: It's you do that ten times. A lot of times

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Speaker 2: thing is very, very key for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: I'd say two guys. Trent Williams got to be on

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Speaker 1: So I thought the team, you can tell who has

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Speaker 1: Chicago clearly signaled that Ben Johnson's run the show for

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Speaker 2: quotes on toon, He's like, he's one of the toughest

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Speaker 2: We just there's money involved and we can't afford to

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Speaker 1: We had the best year of his career arguably because

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Speaker 2: To me. He's like his generation's Logan Mankins. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton dealt with one in that generation, and they

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Speaker 2: line coach. It's like buying a cheap stock and the

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Speaker 2: it used to be a guy going to their third

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Speaker 2: thirty years old, sometimes on their third you know, DK Metcalf. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're not as old as you know in previous generation.

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Speaker 2: And so sometimes these teams now with their cap space,

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Speaker 1: Well, he's one of my favorite people in the media.

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Speaker 1: to start with Rick Patino and Saint John's. So for

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Speaker 1: the uninitiated, Saint John's is in Queens, one of the

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Speaker 1: time ago Catholic university between the airports is how I

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Speaker 1: remember being described to me one time, and it was

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Speaker 1: in the Big East, which is the greatest basketball conference,

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Speaker 1: the most personality filled basketball conference at its best in

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Speaker 1: the history, between players and coaches, and so Louis carnaseca

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Speaker 1: Ages of Leaves. It's not the same university many people tried.

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Speaker 1: Then one of the great coaches of all time, Rick

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Speaker 1: Bettina and New Yorker gets the job. So let's start

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Speaker 1: with that. I couldn't say the last time Duke and

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Speaker 1: Saint John's both had a chance to win the title

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Speaker 1: in the same tournament. So it's a fascinating tournament. But

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Speaker 1: when Rick took the job, I mean I said this

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Speaker 1: the other day. You know, his moral compass has sometimes

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Speaker 1: flipped around, But in terms of basketball iq EQ and

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Speaker 1: program building.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: He is parcels plus Urban Meyer. You know, he is

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Speaker 1: just one of these guys that can do a Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: What is the secret sauce?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: Rick? What is his secret sauce? What's different between Rick

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Speaker 1: and so many other coaches that go to these programs?

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Speaker 1: I own a Saint John's and just make it work quickly.

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Speaker 4: Great question, And I think, first of all, I think

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Speaker 4: the two best, which is in the history of the sport,

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Speaker 4: are John Wooden and Mike Sheryzewsky. So if you look

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Speaker 4: at their bodies of work, yeah, I think they're the

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Speaker 4: top two. But I also believe Rick Patino is just

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Speaker 4: as good as they were. I think that he's as

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Speaker 4: good as any college basketball coach ever. And it's just

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Speaker 4: the ferocity with which he gets his kids to play defense.

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Speaker 4: And it really works at Saint John's, and of course

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Speaker 4: it worked at Louisville, it worked at Kentucky and to Providence.

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Speaker 4: But he's such a New Yorker and that is such

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Speaker 4: a New York style of play on the playgrounds that

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Speaker 4: it really translates. And this has been a very likable team.

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Speaker 4: The city has fallen in love with Saint John's. Now,

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Speaker 4: when I started my career, Saint John's would take the

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Speaker 4: back page of the tabloids away from the Knicks, and

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Speaker 4: so it's been a long time since that was possible.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Of course, the tabloids aren't what they used to be

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Speaker 4: in New York or newspapers anywhere, of course, but Saint

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Speaker 4: John's is now a team that the city has embraced.

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Speaker 4: And Patino that style of played. He did it even

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Speaker 4: with the mix, pressing, defense, attention to detail, just playing

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Speaker 4: with that ferocity. And yeah, I don't know if I've

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Speaker 4: ever seen a coach get his kids consistently to play

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Speaker 4: any harder than Rick Patino's teams everywhere he's been, including

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Speaker 4: in the NBA outside of the Celtics. But yeah, he's

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Speaker 4: an amazing when it comes to x'es and o's and

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Speaker 4: motivation and recruiting, He's an amazing coach, There's no question

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 1: So it is very unique. I have them making the

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Speaker 1: Final four. They don't shoot threes particularly well, but either

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Speaker 1: does half ninety percent of the field. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: see San Diego's rare BYU is rare. Saint John's can't

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Speaker 1: shoot threes, Houston's not great at it. Michigan State can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean I watched Michigan Michigan State play a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and Michigan State ends up scoring in

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Speaker 1: the eighties. I don't know how, but they get there.

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Speaker 1: So I don't really use that as a deficit. I

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Speaker 1: think Saint John's can muscle and defend and coach its

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Speaker 1: way to the final four. But I'll go being back

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Speaker 1: to my initial point. You know Duke basketball because of

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Speaker 1: the book Coach k which I strongly recommend if you've

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Speaker 1: never read it, it is I think it's in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I think it's your best book, and I've read all

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Speaker 1: of them. I loved it. Duke is the most talented

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Speaker 1: team Coach k Leaves. And usually it almost always works

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Speaker 1: this way. You give it to a popular assistant coach

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Speaker 1: and he just doesn't have the gravitas or the weight

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Speaker 1: to hold this massive brand afloat. But Duke this year

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Speaker 1: feels like to me the odds on favorite, like if

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Speaker 1: they want, it's the only team you wouldn't even ask

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Speaker 1: how you'd go? Okay, Cooper flag are you surprised by

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Speaker 1: Coach k Leaves? And yet Duke remains vibrant.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not surprised, Colin. I think Duke does recruit

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Speaker 4: itself to some degree. But John Shier's recruiting has been

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Speaker 4: unbelievable since coach k left. And you start with that.

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Speaker 4: Of course, that's the lifeblood of college basketball in all

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Speaker 4: just a really good coach too, in terms of ex's

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Speaker 4: and o's. But if you look at that team right now,

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Speaker 4: it's it's almost a perfect college basketball team. They've got

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Speaker 4: the big man who's seven to two with an incredible wingspan.

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Speaker 4: He's a top ten, top fifteen NBA pick. You've got

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Speaker 4: a forward who's a top fifteen on one side. On

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Speaker 4: we've ever seen in college basketball, who's the number one pick,

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Speaker 4: assuming he's healthy and he looks like he's going to play.

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Speaker 4: And in the backcourt you've got two guys who are six'

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Speaker 4: five at. Guard, now, yeah maybe the one question mark

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Speaker 4: maybe that's a little bit of an. Issue but, size,

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Speaker 4: dupe to. Win the national. CHAMPIONSHIP i actually don't think they,

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Speaker 4: Think Kelvin sampson has been such a good coach for so,

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Speaker 4: at some point he's going to pick one. Off John

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Speaker 4: shire is very worthy coach of winning a national. Tie

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Speaker 4: if you recall from my, Book COACH k wanted him

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Speaker 4: to be the. Coach the university actually Wanted Tommy amacker

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Speaker 4: to be the next head, coach But COACH k sort

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Speaker 4: of got his way on that, one and, frankly you

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Speaker 4: cannot argue with the. Results John shire has been.

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Speaker 1: Tremendous, yeah for the, uninitiated, again for the people that

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Speaker 1: Book you Have amaker And shire and you, know and

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Speaker 4: Because he was in his. System it had been a

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Speaker 1: Said this the other day on the. Show you, know

642
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i was in The northeast for ten and a half,

643
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: years but one of the THINGS i observed WHEN i

644
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: was in the city a lot or near it In

645
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: connecticut is, that you, know there's a lot Of yankee

646
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: And met, fans and a lot Of giant And jet,

647
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: fans but everybody In New york likes The. Knicks it's

648
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: just every single FRIEND i had In New, york and

649
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: many of, them more than The yankees Or, giants Were

650
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: nick fans. First and, Again i'm old enough to remember

651
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: The Walt, Fraser Bill, Bradley Earl. Monroe, yet LIKE i

652
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: go back to the seventies when nobody. Won you, know

653
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: The lakers won a, title The warriors, did The Washington bullets,

654
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: did The, sonics The, blazers The, knicks and then there

655
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: were the Pat riley. Iterations BUT i always, Said, god

656
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: If dolan could get out of the, way this city

657
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: loves its team so. Much AND i think when The

658
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: sphere got built for two, Years dolan removed himself from the,

659
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: FACILITY i mean literally. Physically he was In vegas so,

660
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: often and it allowed The knicks to really grow this

661
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: really strong basketball, group AND i think they've made very,

662
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: patient very sharp. MOVES i don't Think kat is the,

663
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: future BUT i think he was the right move at

664
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: the right. Time but there was a moment Between tibbs

665
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: And Josh hart the other day And Michale bridges it

666
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: was public that he had gone To. Tibbs, hey we

667
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: need to play the starters. Less you, know young players

668
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of work and minutes Under. Tibbs

669
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: as great as the brief journey has been With, tom

670
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: it does feel, like does it not Ian to get

671
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: to the next, level you need two. Moves Karl Anthony

672
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: towns probably gets replace with a better defensive big or

673
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: just like A, kd a greater, player And tibbs may

674
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: not be the. Answer or is that me three thousand

675
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: miles away Guessing.

676
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: NO i think it's possible that's the. CASE i do

677
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 4: Think tibbs is good enough to win a championship as

678
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: a head. Coach they lose in the second round again this.

679
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: Year THERE i don't think he'll get replaced BECAUSE i

680
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: think he'll lose to a better. TEAM i think The

681
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 4: celtics are, better and surprisingly, ENOUGH i did not think

682
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: The cavs would be, better but they. Are they just.

683
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: Are so if they lose in the second, round to

684
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: say The, celtics defire the guy off that you're losing

685
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: to a better. Team The celtics have better. Players The

686
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: knicks have improved their rosters, certainly AND i didn't Think

687
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: Jalen bruns AND i wasn't sure if he'd be this

688
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: or it could be the second best player on a

689
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: championship team when they acquired. Him NOW i do think

690
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: he could be one of the top, two if not

691
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: the best player on a championship. Team he's an incredible,

692
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: player AND i think a lot of people In New

693
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: york were surprised by. THAT i think where The knicks

694
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: are right now is it's kind of funny Because jets

695
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: fans have been complaining and complaining About Woody, johnson the

696
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 4: owner for a long. Time Woody johnson hires and we'll

697
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: find out if he did the right general manager And

698
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: mouji and the right head coach And Aaron. Glenn he's

699
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 4: going to go away And jets fans will never talk about.

700
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: Him The knicks fans are not talking About Jim, dollon

701
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: and they haven't now for a number of years because

702
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: he hired the right general. Manager AND i was a.

703
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: Gamble Leon rose had never done this. Job he was

704
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: a very good, agent he had never been a general,

705
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 4: manager and early ON i wasn't so. Sure but turns

706
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: out he knows what he's, doing And, tims of course

707
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 4: everybody knew he knew what he was. Doing he's proven

708
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: that he could be a very valuable piece of a

709
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: coaching staff that won a championship In boston Under Doc,

710
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: rivers and so is. He it's almost Like Buck showalter

711
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: did all the dirty work on The yankees in the

712
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 4: mid nineties and then he got replaced By Joe, tory

713
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: And Joe tory then one flow up. Series i'm not

714
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: saying that the Next knicks coach is going to win

715
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: for tied in the next five years after that, happens

716
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: BUT i think that he's going to get one more

717
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 4: year after another second round. Exit maybe The knicks will

718
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 4: surprise us and win that second round matchup with say The.

719
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: CELTICS i don't think that will, happen BUT i do

720
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: think you're right in terms of the. Roster it looks

721
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 4: like they're still believe it or not after all the

722
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: moves they've made and what five number one picks For

723
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: bridges and then they made The cat deal and They

724
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: brunson deal was an incredible. One it still looks like

725
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: they need to make one more move and Maybe cat

726
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: is a part of that. Package but, yeah right, now

727
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 4: it's just they're in a tough way because of The

728
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: celtics being in their way and now The calves have

729
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 4: hurdled them and they sure look like they're for. Real

730
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: the volume