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Speaker 1: Yo, Luke.

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Speaker 2: UFC two seventy eight's coming up.

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Speaker 3: We should talk.

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Speaker 4: About it like with no punches pulled, Like get right

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Speaker 4: to the core of what it's actually all about, even

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Speaker 4: if the defenced people, even if it's not PC.

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Speaker 1: This is this fucking thing on talking real fuck man.

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Speaker 3: Just at least you guys are telling me in advance

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Speaker 3: which one we're doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, before the pregame preview, you got to let

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Speaker 4: out all the negative Greg, the fluid, the vibe that

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Speaker 4: was in you reported.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Come in, Benjamin.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know if this is legal?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Can Second.

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Speaker 1: Way find ticket? I don't put this show on me.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I can't believe this happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, let's go talk like men, all right?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 5: On August twentieth, live on pay per view, the UFC,

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Speaker 5: for the second time ever in their history, returns to

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Speaker 5: Salt Lake City, Utah, Yes, Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Speaker 1: For UFC two seventy eight.

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Speaker 5: Kamara Usman will defend his welterweight title against longtime contender

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Speaker 5: and previous foe Leon Edwards.

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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about it. This is the Morning Combat.

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Speaker 5: UFC two seventy eight pregame preview, Luke Thomas, Brian the

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Speaker 5: King of Connecticut Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there he is.

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Speaker 5: And at the end, you know that dirt bag there

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Speaker 5: he is himself, the man.

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Speaker 1: That hat tr ruck.

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Speaker 4: You've been around enough, You've been on this show enough

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Speaker 4: to know what we expect from you on a pregame preview.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, and I think a little bit of offense

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Speaker 3: at the King of Connecticut. Now, remember I'm also from Connecticut,

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Speaker 3: but I am known as the mayor of the Nutmeg State.

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Speaker 1: So okay, I'll take that.

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Speaker 5: He's also the jester at the same time, so it's

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Speaker 5: kind of yes, that works.

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Speaker 1: For both ways.

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Speaker 2: What kind of talk should we expect in this one?

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Speaker 5: Do you want to sell the merch now? Is that

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Speaker 5: what this is about? Well?

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Speaker 2: Drinking my milk?

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Speaker 4: Boys, Dad Seltz hard Dad Selter because I'm a hard dad.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's been hitting.

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Speaker 5: It been hitting that it's like the fifth of those

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Speaker 5: By the way, did you put the awards?

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Speaker 2: I just know now I didn't I win those, though.

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Speaker 1: You do win those. Congratulations, Brian Hue.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been close to tragedy or.

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Speaker 4: Had Yeah, we're going to back to back that shit anyway,

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Speaker 4: Salt Lake City, John Stockton Country, Phnogamy Country.

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Speaker 2: You know I'm talking about I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 4: Uh, this is a peculiar location, ye, A bit of

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Speaker 4: a peculiar card, a bit of a peculiar card.

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Speaker 2: Top heavy, top heavy, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 4: Uh interesting, It's been a fun summer. There's big fights

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Speaker 4: on the horizon for UFC. There's not too much negative,

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Speaker 4: you can say, but a little bit late for a

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Speaker 4: pay per view card.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like we're saying that a little bit

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Speaker 2: more than normal of late.

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Speaker 5: I would agree, and I would say, Chuck as the

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Speaker 5: guest here, seems to me, here's my theory.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 5: In lineup with what BC is making, which I think

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Speaker 5: is totally correct, the UFC is now going on the road,

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Speaker 5: and I think to they it's just a it's a

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Speaker 5: finite roster.

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Speaker 1: They're rob Peter to pay Paul from.

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Speaker 5: They're making great fight night cards up and down, and

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Speaker 5: that comes at a cost of still having a decent

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Speaker 5: main card and especially some better fights at the very top.

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Speaker 1: But it is costing it in terms of overall depth.

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Speaker 1: Truth false.

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Speaker 3: I think that's true. On hold on I mean you

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Speaker 3: could look down the event of schedules and kind of

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Speaker 3: find this phenomenon pretty much. You don't find too many

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Speaker 3: where all five fights on the main card of a

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Speaker 3: there's that bang for your buck fight.

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Speaker 2: Wait a few weeks in Abudai will see, well.

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Speaker 3: That is actually the one. But I mean, obviously they're

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Speaker 5: But in two seventy nine has a strong main event,

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Speaker 5: I mean the strongest man event with Hamsut and Daz,

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Speaker 5: But the rest of the cards.

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Speaker 3: The rest go like to the waist side, but it's

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Speaker 3: not the It's not the worst card though. Honestly, like

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Speaker 3: when you look at it, there are three very strong

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's actually a little bit stronger of

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Speaker 3: an offering than we've seen in previous.

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Speaker 5: I actually think it won't really matter. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what you can charge in Salt Lake City, but the

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Speaker 5: gate will be good. Right second time you'll see the

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Speaker 5: first time pay per view because last one was a

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Speaker 3: Wow damn.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: Dry county or I'll get dead.

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Speaker 1: I'll get dead wrong for it. Either way, it.

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Speaker 3: Really a dry county you have to go to like

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Speaker 3: you can go to like the state run I told

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Speaker 3: the laws.

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Speaker 1: Are uneven geographically.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it either ski in many ways, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: O A wet Tuesday. What do you? What are you drinking?

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Speaker 3: There? Check some kind of rose? I p a this

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Speaker 3: the crew?

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Speaker 2: Are you back on the sauce step?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta mind my

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Speaker 1: alcohol intic.

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Speaker 2: I'm there with fast food and I can't get you.

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Speaker 3: In Vegas if I'm gonna see you exactly.

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Speaker 5: It's like I got I got that out of my system.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm good for a little while.

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Speaker 3: All right, truck.

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Speaker 5: Let's start at the very top, because it is a

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Speaker 5: highly interesting contest between Kamar Rusman, maybe probably most people's

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Speaker 5: taking on a guy who he has previously fought is

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Speaker 5: a long time, very deserving contender UFC. He's tried to

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Speaker 5: put him in some spots to give him some brighter

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Speaker 5: remember when they stuck him backstage with Nosvelle.

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Speaker 2: That was a good spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it has been uneven.

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Speaker 5: But like they gave him the date the DS fight,

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Speaker 5: I think that did some did some good for him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but chuck.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you think about these significance of this fight

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Speaker 5: or the best way to interpret it, what is it?

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Speaker 5: Is it strictly just the thing that Kamar Risman's trying

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Speaker 5: there sort of more appeal to it beyond I mean

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Speaker 5: and again, of course Edwards could win, Yes.

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean obviously, like he is chasing his

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Speaker 3: very quietly, very quietly chasing history at this point. Right,

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Speaker 3: if he wins this sixteen fights and really ties Anderson

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Speaker 2: Mark, that matters.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. And it's like I think he is

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Speaker 3: entering that Goat conversation. Uh, and this is just another

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Speaker 3: has been, you know, going, But was it twenty fifteen

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Speaker 2: It was I know, it's been fifteen.

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Speaker 3: It was a long September, right, you know, you know

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Speaker 3: it's even crazy. Was I was at the fight, but

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Speaker 3: given all of that, he's that he's been surging that

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Speaker 3: get you know, the chance at this and how many

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Speaker 3: travails he's had to go through. From his perspective, it's

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Speaker 4: You do hear Dana not going the full on Hey guys,

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Speaker 4: But like in that conversation, it's never lost one, he's

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Speaker 4: never lost in the UFC. He could tie Anderson Silva

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Speaker 4: that you mentioned with that win streak record, Chuck, something

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Speaker 2: But I am interested in your side of it before

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Speaker 4: Just looking at Kamorrow to actually get there, to actually

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Speaker 4: Does it have to be retiring undefeated in the UFCD,

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Speaker 4: we need a second division weight class, which he's rumored

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Speaker 4: at times as high as light or is it just

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Speaker 4: Hamsat's coming, you know, well.

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Speaker 3: That's I think that that's a big reason why it

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Speaker 3: could he could stay there. He could stay there if

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Speaker 3: he's able to get through Hamzat and he's able to

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Speaker 3: keep going. I feel like he would you just earnest,

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Speaker 3: he's already in the conversation of the GSP thing, even

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Speaker 3: though he hasn't had the longevity yet, He's already in

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Speaker 3: the conversation just given that he hasn't been in a

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Speaker 3: lot of trouble. I mean, it's it's so quiet that

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Speaker 3: it's almost like when a guy does his job so effectively,

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Speaker 3: you don't really notice that he's on a streak like this,

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Speaker 3: he's done it so well. Like whereas es GSP down

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Speaker 3: guys were catching up. Then the parody, the motivation, all

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Speaker 3: was getting nicked. I know that, like the Pondit fight,

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Speaker 3: into that territory where it's like you're now looking at

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Speaker 3: the details of these guys' run. If he's able to

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Speaker 3: and maybe he does meet a homs out down the road.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have to meet he's gonna have unless he

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Speaker 4: says that's a big one logic, But unless he says, sorry, guys,

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Speaker 4: i just finished off my walt weight requirement. I'm going

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Speaker 5: Still, where are you in this conversation? Like, I think

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Speaker 5: But let's assume that he does for just a second.

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Speaker 4: It's hard because ESP had a bigger impact on the

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Speaker 4: I guess he is the bound.

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Speaker 2: For bound king. He's fucking great.

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Speaker 4: He hasn't made the kind of leap into people's hearts

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Speaker 2: He's been more dominant than GSP.

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Speaker 4: In a lot of ways, Shoulduspan deserved more praise because GSP.

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Speaker 4: If there's any knock against him, it's that he got

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Speaker 3: He was fun.

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Speaker 4: It's not Okayspon's not knocking out everybody, But since joining

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: How would you describe the relationship between Camoro and the

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Speaker 3: One, Well, they were booing him for the hospital fight,

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Speaker 3: which is insane. What was it Jacksonville though, it was

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Speaker 5: Well, he got cheered eventually. I mean that that knockout

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Speaker 3: Introduced him, I'm like, and that's just something I don't

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Speaker 2: He was, but he was freaking cool too.

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Speaker 3: I don't even feel like he's polarizing. It's almost like

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Speaker 2: They respect him, they don't love him, right, That's kind of.

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Speaker 3: Where he's at. I feel like he he still falls

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Speaker 2: But he gave him a brawl.

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Speaker 4: The first Coolby fight is one of the best fights

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Speaker 2: Is he a little, to be honest, a little corney.

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Speaker 2: Is he a little corney?

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Speaker 5: And by the time he got all these finishing skills

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Speaker 5: To make wrestling the dominant form of his game that

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Speaker 2: He built it on the mountaintop against like right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's it's not sufficially respected in that way.

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Speaker 4: This win a second title, which I know isn't part

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Speaker 1: It was you did.

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Speaker 3: Right, It was.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, if Usman wins this and then fights

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Speaker 3: The fact that Gilbert Burns almost pulling like the Rocky

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Speaker 1: At it now.

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Speaker 3: He gets by Night, which I think most people think

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Speaker 3: he will you just and obviously if if Guzman's able

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they would put him over that way.

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Speaker 5: Also, So to think about Chuck, I would love to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say that I was going to get

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Speaker 1: All right? Yes, no, no, no, I was just taking my time.

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Speaker 2: it in.

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Speaker 5: Right, there's I would have dug I mean, whenever you're

446
00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,440
Speaker 5: really okay.

447
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:01,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

448
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,040
Speaker 5: The fact that now you can't have him move up,

449
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,400
Speaker 5: he doesn't want to go to one eighty five. But

450
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Speaker 5: the imagine a world here for a second, giggle fest.

451
00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,280
Speaker 2: Let it out, let it here for the hard core analysis. Okay,

452
00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,679
Speaker 2: So please get the point.

453
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,439
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make is imagine a world where is

454
00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,320
Speaker 5: he's just at two o five. So now you have

455
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Speaker 5: middleweight as it stands. Do you favor a one eighty

456
00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,680
Speaker 5: five version of Oosman to beat Whittaker, Because that's really

457
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 5: the central question here. Whitaker is the best guy if

458
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Speaker 5: you're not named he went does he do that? Because

459
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Speaker 5: I will tell you I don't know the answer, but

460
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Speaker 5: I would not.

461
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Speaker 1: Be surprised if you want, Oh, yeah, I be surprised

462
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Speaker 1: if you want.

463
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Speaker 2: Oh, put some respect on the damn Reaper.

464
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Speaker 1: No I do. You don't think that's competitive. You don't

465
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Speaker 1: think that's competitive.

466
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Speaker 3: I think it's yeah, it's competitive.

467
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Speaker 1: Rober So if he got that win, that would be.

468
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Speaker 4: Safe to Sayswan's better than we than we thought. He

469
00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,640
Speaker 4: wasn't better than we might actually know he is right now.

470
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Speaker 5: I think so because he can't get really tested at

471
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Speaker 5: one eighty five, which would be the natural assumption, and

472
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Speaker 5: he could very well fit that weight class giving be

473
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 5: huge at one seventies.

474
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Speaker 4: There will be a lot of people watch this going,

475
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,560
Speaker 4: what the hell does Rocky Edwards have to do to

476
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Speaker 4: get you?

477
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:04,960
Speaker 1: Guys?

478
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,240
Speaker 2: Actually talk about Chris fight Let.

479
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 5: Alone, let's talk about let's talk about him for a second.

480
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Speaker 3: This is against it. I'll get over to Salt Lake

481
00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 3: City and now we don't talk about him, you know.

482
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Speaker 2: Plus plus, when people think Rocky, they think.

483
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,679
Speaker 5: Raquel, you know, they might they also might think the

484
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,199
Speaker 5: guy from phillysha in the in that relationship with you.

485
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Speaker 1: Definitely, I don't even know what that means. I don't

486
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 1: even know what that means.

487
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 3: On the corner of the win and throw the tonnel.

488
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Speaker 4: But anyways, wow, wow, okay, I gotta.

489
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about Leon Edwards. Here.

490
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Speaker 5: Here's a guy whose career has always been good. He

491
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Speaker 5: has always been respected but in terms of like critical acclaim,

492
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Speaker 5: but has definitely hit some roadblocks, a couple of key

493
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Speaker 5: losses one the way off to one to usman uh.

494
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Speaker 5: But more than that, the pandemic really derailed that specific sprint.

495
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Speaker 1: You could tell he was ready to make.

496
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Speaker 5: Thet sport, had made a huge, great height package for it,

497
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Speaker 5: and then the pandemic hit and it kind of all

498
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Speaker 5: went to ship.

499
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Speaker 1: He was involved in the honey mass incident. Where do

500
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Speaker 1: you think?

501
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Speaker 5: What do you what do you make of his contendership rise, Chuck,

502
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 5: and let's just start there.

503
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Speaker 1: Talk me through what you see of his journey.

504
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 3: It's weird with him because of the ballall the way

505
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 3: that that thing, you know, in these big showcase moments.

506
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Speaker 3: I feel like there was something strange that would happen,

507
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,680
Speaker 3: right like there was that. He's had other weird things.

508
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Speaker 3: I mean, And if you look at his career.

509
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Speaker 1: Wasn't it Woodley he was supposed to fight. He fought

510
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Speaker 1: thelong got.

511
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Speaker 4: I poked right, he had consistently, but the one the

512
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Speaker 4: moments he's supposed to.

513
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Speaker 3: Break, he's supposed to break through.

514
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,959
Speaker 2: It's never even Nate stole the thing.

515
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Speaker 3: That's not saying even with Nate, you know, obviously, like

516
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,720
Speaker 3: people talked about in the fifth round when he gets caught,

517
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Speaker 3: I feel like he's always got a little bit of

518
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Speaker 3: an asterisk to his name. And then even like if

519
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 3: you look at his his rise, I think he's been

520
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 3: fairly masterful. Masterful it is sort of figuring out the

521
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,440
Speaker 3: rhythm of a fight, figuring out what's going to happen

522
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Speaker 3: to fight, and just kind of exploiting it and going

523
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Speaker 3: with it. Not maybe not the greatest finisher, because honestly,

524
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Speaker 3: when you look at his resume during this whole time,

525
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: he's got a submission victory. He has that eight I

526
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 3: don't even think this, it fell into the run itself,

527
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Speaker 3: but he had the eight second knockout, which is like

528
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 3: still I think a record for the division. And then

529
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 3: he is one second away from like going to a

530
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: decision against the Bottle right like he was. That should

531
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 3: have been a decision, but everything else is a decision,

532
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 3: and so I feel like He's one of those guys

533
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Speaker 3: who's like, he's happy to he's kind of happy to

534
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 3: figure out how to beat you and beat you. And

535
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Speaker 3: I guess that that's what makes it a little bit

536
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Speaker 3: like a little bit a stretch of the imagination to say,

537
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Speaker 3: how are you going to do that against Uzman? How

538
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 3: are you going to figure out what he's bringing? He's

539
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 3: able to beat him over five rounds.

540
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Speaker 4: Underrated, that's true, but he's is he also kind of

541
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Speaker 4: overrated based on who he's beaten in this wind streak

542
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 4: where where we like, I.

543
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Speaker 3: Mean believe you believe Edwards is overrated.

544
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not saying that outright, but I believe that

545
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 4: we look at him as so underrated because he's never

546
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Speaker 4: been able to get over the hump commercially or get

547
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 4: sort of a fair moment until now, right, He's always

548
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 4: sort of been that guy who was most deserving but

549
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 4: least likely to get the call.

550
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Speaker 2: Right through that though, because he has an beaten.

551
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Speaker 4: I guess the level of names you would expect for

552
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 4: someone with a wind streak this long not always his

553
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 4: fault in terms of the matchmaking. Obviously you get my point,

554
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 4: But does he enter this fight with a shot is

555
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: that shot?

556
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

557
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 4: Are we not seeing how good that shot actually is

558
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 4: because he's underrated or are we over valuing it because

559
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 4: of the wind streak. I'm trying to really figure out

560
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 4: who exactly he is because.

561
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Speaker 3: I fact, people are all over the extremes on this too.

562
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Speaker 3: I've talked to people who think Leona is completely underrated,

563
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 3: and people are sleeping on that he can have a

564
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Speaker 3: chance to win this fight or will win this fight,

565
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Speaker 3: or the reverse of that.

566
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean is which what we saw

567
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 4: that already happened this fight once, we're gonna see it happen.

568
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Speaker 5: Again, right, Well, a couple things that we did to

569
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Speaker 5: talk about the fact Kamara Usban's coming off with surgery

570
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 5: on his hand.

571
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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see at.

572
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 5: Thirty four, maybe older than that. I have to double

573
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 5: check his age, thirty three maybe.

574
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: No, he's pushing thirty five, He's not.

575
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, how that's

576
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 5: gonna heal? This is his first fight back since then.

577
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 5: Remember the fight got delayed for it. It was supposed

578
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 5: to be International fight Week and on top of things,

579
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 5: and it didn't materialize anyway. So here we are with that,

580
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 5: but with Edwards that you know what says out to

581
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 5: me about his game.

582
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: His game is.

583
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 5: Super smart, Like he problem solves right over the course

584
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 5: of five rounds and he doesn't. He manages risk really

585
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 5: well in all the positions. He has a clear purpose

586
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 5: and assignment, and he understands exactly where everything's going to go.

587
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 5: On the feet as well, he begins to set distance

588
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 5: and face. It's super thoughtful and you can see him

589
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 5: problem solve round over round the problem that I think

590
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 5: he faces. And this is a commercial issue as well,

591
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 5: there's just not a lot of devastation to it.

592
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: It's incredibly intelligent.

593
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 5: That's why, like a coach might watch him be liked,

594
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 5: this guy's fucking good. Yeah he is. He's really fucking good.

595
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 5: But he just hangs around being really good.

596
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 3: What do you think of though, because you watched first fight,

597
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 3: just like I've watched it, Like ye, over the course

598
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: of the fight, Usman understands how to just like over

599
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 3: overcome him basically just over that.

600
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Speaker 1: That's where it comes down to.

601
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Speaker 5: It's like, if you watch the first fight, there's not

602
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Speaker 5: a huge gap between Usman and Edwards, like one you're

603
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: saying that in the entire fight, I mean by round three,

604
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 5: it was not it was obviously, but he wasn't getting

605
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 5: his ass kicked even know it was kind of settling

606
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: into a rhythm, that's what it was. But it wasn't

607
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 5: like dude, there was didn't get the shitty out of

608
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 5: him at all, Like this was not that thing in

609
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 5: the first round, like he was making trouble for him

610
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 5: as well. It's like the gap between them is insignificant.

611
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: It's like, but what's the thing that gets you over

612
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 5: the hump? I don't know, but I can say if

613
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 5: Kamaru is diminished or didn't take it seriously, or the

614
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 5: hands an issue. You know, the difference between them is

615
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 5: slight any changed by flip?

616
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: Do you see the takedown defence? So I'm like, I

617
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: guess what I when I was looking at that, he

618
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: got take down. He got taken down six times the

619
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Speaker 3: first time. Yes, it kept getting easier, right now, got

620
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: easier over time, Like just kind of looking at Leon's run.

621
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: So not everybody was trying to take him down, but

622
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: guys like the Sente Luke for instance, was able to

623
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: take him down and Gunnar Nelson was able to take

624
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: him a few time.

625
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: But he beat both those guys.

626
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm just saying it's like, right, but

627
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: I mean, can you, like I guess all that considered,

628
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: Like is his takedown defence good enough? And if he

629
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: is taken down? You know what I mean? Like, I

630
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 3: feel like some people think that's Innevita can do it?

631
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: He said, look you all the under words thoughtful earlier.

632
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: I was thoughtful in high school.

633
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: Really I didn't get laid though. Okay, do you know

634
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 4: what I'm saying? Like, can that? Can he get over

635
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 4: the ham with what he's bringing to the table based on.

636
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: What Chuck just said?

637
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

638
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: Can he actually win this fight?

639
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: Luke? Uh?

640
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 5: Something would have to be different about their dynamic. Right,

641
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: If their dynamic is as we're discussing it here, I

642
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 5: don't really see a path to be canned with you.

643
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 5: But but if if Edwards has a really inspired moment,

644
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 5: it's just it's just hard to like see him.

645
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: Dude.

646
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 5: Let's talk about this aspect too, Dude. This would be

647
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 5: a fucking monumental win about Edwards. You beat the number

648
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 5: one pound for pound fighter in the sport, and this

649
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 5: is this inevitable coronation we keep talking about with Edwards

650
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 5: and also with excuse me with Osman and one aspect

651
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: we're not really talking about it's hard for us to know.

652
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: It's cool, Robbie Osborneman.

653
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: What am I saying? Osman? Sorry?

654
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: I'm also talking about the UK effect here, dude. There's

655
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 5: a big there's a big need for who's going to

656
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: be the next star to beat the number one pound

657
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: for pound.

658
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: People were talking about aspinall he might be the next

659
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: champion to go home over looking Edwards who had.

660
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 5: To go home with that belt back to the UK.

661
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: Come on, dude, that would launch him into fucking start

662
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 5: at least for.

663
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: You'd beat Haley Joel Ostman. You know you.

664
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 5: Sorry, Bro' sorry, just spitting out sounds at this point. Seriously,

665
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 5: what do you make of this? Bec Don't you think

666
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 5: we've talked about the UK market in boxing?

667
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: It's red hot and it'd be his moment, Dude, Like

668
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 4: the fact that every morning Combat or every time Chuck's

669
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: on the Ringer Show and all all your various shows

670
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: and website and we're basically going, you.

671
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, you're not very monogamous with us, Yeah, you know, yeah.

672
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: Rocky deserves people out in Salt Lake City, You know

673
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: what I mean?

674
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: That's right.

675
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rocky's better than he gets credit for being.

676
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 4: Can you actually imagine him going over the top and

677
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 4: winning this It would be massive concerning. He also has

678
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 4: a loss to this guy, but that was long before

679
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: this guy was the pump for pound king, long before

680
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: the evolution that we're talking about.

681
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: It's you know, Rocky's evolved as well. But correct me

682
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong.

683
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: He hasn't had that one moment, that one fight, that

684
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: one situation where were like, that's.

685
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: What I needed to see to believe that he can

686
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: win this championship.

687
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: Like a real catalyst moment.

688
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: What was that moment? I mean he was honest? Was

689
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: he on his way there against me? Was he honest

690
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: way to a five round.

691
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: White washing where you were like, well yes, but he wasn't.

692
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it would have just sort of been a

693
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: pedestrian victory in the end.

694
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

695
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: I think they talk about it because of the dramatics

696
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 3: in the end.

697
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a there was a belief that Edwards

698
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 5: was going to wash him, like it was going to be,

699
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: you know, a beat down and stop him, and it

700
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 5: was just you know, it was it was clear. It

701
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 5: was dominant to an extent, but not like a, Okay, what's.

702
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: The most likely path to an upset victory if this

703
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: happens in Rocky finally gets his moment?

704
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 5: Right, is the way I think us beIN It's obviously

705
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 5: he's hard to catch on the feet. I can't see

706
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 5: a scenario where the first fight plays out again.

707
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask you, right is it? Now?

708
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: You were talking about the act him in the IQ

709
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: I guess of Edwards? What do you think about usman

710
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: in this scenario? Because he has shown market improved on

711
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 3: the feet? Like does he fall in love with the

712
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 3: idea of like I could show the I could show

713
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: the world that I could beat this guy striking, because

714
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: that's what I mean. And sometimes these guys they do

715
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and like, do you see a

716
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: scenario where he's wants to make that point?

717
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: Dude?

718
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 5: I again, if it goes if if round one of

719
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 5: this fight is really just round four of their last one,

720
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 5: you know that's that's not that's not a winning path

721
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 5: for Edwards.

722
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: I don't believe.

723
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 5: However, However, again I'm going to go back to it.

724
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: Dude.

725
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 5: People at Kamaru are special, right, and they make the

726
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 5: job look easier than it is. But dude, the difference

727
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 5: between Kamorrow and the contenders world. We can say whatever

728
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 5: we want, the truth is on a given night, it's thin.

729
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: It's thin, which is.

730
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 5: Why doing it sixteen times in a row is fucking extraordinary.

731
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: And so I've got to go back to it. If

732
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: Kamaru is does.

733
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 5: It manage risk well, if he tries to strike too much,

734
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 5: if Edwards, you know, turns it up a little bit,

735
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 5: if there's any lingering issue with a hand, any of

736
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: those facts could overturn the Apple Court. But like, should

737
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: Kamaru win, I think there's a very clear path for him.

738
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: We're going to see the kamoraw wrestler, We're going to

739
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: see the old comes back.

740
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: Then there's that potential, right right, that's just kind.

741
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I agree with the spirit of what you're

742
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: saying that he's going to try to show that full

743
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 4: evolution because this represents an opponent from the old Kamara

744
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: era and that era was still dominant.

745
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: To remember, they put.

746
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: Ronda Rousey on the cover of Ring Magazine, didn't they

747
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: after her knockout of be Kahya. Yeah, and suddenly she

748
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: was a boxer and they were talking about her being

749
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: able to be that went poorly. I heard, I don't

750
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: know how that went very poorly.

751
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: Remember that gift of her, Remember that gift of her?

752
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: You know, it was like she was.

753
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: I heard.

754
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't think I believe.

755
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: I don't on her wife.

756
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't.

757
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't think Usban's falling into this.

758
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: But I'm like, the bottom line is he hasn't proved enough,

759
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: especially after the the moswoot All thing. Of course we've

760
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: seen him beat Covington after that, but you just never know.

761
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: You never know in a fight if they're just like,

762
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to prove something, you know

763
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: what I mean. So there is a little bit of a.

764
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: Wife papa had taken her name in marriage. Would you

765
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: have been okay with that? It's twenty twenty two, Yeah,

766
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: would have been okay with that. It's been a nice gesture.

767
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: That would be funny. Okay, Yes, the Yoko oner o.

768
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: You're gonna go that far?

769
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: Okay? All right?

770
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: Back to Luke?

771
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Alright, you ready, Yeah, let's pick it up. All right?

772
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: Well, with that in mind, I did it fall down,

773
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the co main event. Please, here we go.

774
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: Luke Rockhold is back after three years, I believe taking

775
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: on Paulo Costa boy, that feels like a crossroads fight.

776
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: Huh, Chuck, Jesus, it's been a long time since we're

777
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: talking about Luke rock Hold, Like I.

778
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 5: Think, I think both of them happened one since twenty nineteen.

779
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: Blohovich fight at two five was sort of an experiment

780
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: even though they.

781
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: Get twenty seventeen for rock Hold.

782
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Will he beat David Branch but that I think it

783
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: was two thousand. That might be right. It's been a while.

784
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: It's been a long ass time. One of those fights.

785
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, when you're looking at it, where where's

786
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: the weird part of I think it's rock Col because

787
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: he's been knocked out three of the last four times.

788
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: The last three times he's knocked out very violently, and

789
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: you worry about him a little bit, right like that,

790
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: You're like, I don't know, is why is he doing this?

791
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: He's gonna hang on to this and he's going against

792
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: a guy who had a major run for knockouts not

793
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: that many years ago, like he was you know, there

794
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: were four or five leading to the Israel lot of Sonia,

795
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: you know that whole thing. So it's It's one of

796
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: those fights. I'm like, you understand why they're booking this

797
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: from the name value, from the ranking standpoint, from the

798
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: like what these guys still believe they have in them.

799
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: But there is a real potential of sadness, a sad

800
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: note to this one, especially from the rock Hold position.

801
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: I know that, Yeah, you know, Costa has lost a

802
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: couple in a row as well, but I don't feel

803
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 3: like he's in the same spot. This is a guy

804
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: who's a former champion, who at one point I think

805
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: really did turn our heads and say, Wow, how good

806
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: is this guy? And then that Michael bissbing it seemed

807
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: like a fluke at the time, has derailed this whole

808
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: situation to the point where now he's in this type

809
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: of fight and you're not sure how to look at it,

810
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it has that weird, sade,

811
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: potential sad note thing for Luke Crockold.

812
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: But I don't see a scenario where Luke Crockol doesn't

813
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: get stopped in here. And I love Luke Grockold.

814
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: I want him to dial it back and find that

815
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: guy again, Luke, but even if Costa, look, I got

816
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: a lot of questions about who Paula Coasta still is

817
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: kind of mentally mixed with the physically from the whole

818
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: fall out.

819
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Of the weird red Wine red Wine incident.

820
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: And you know, even coming back and losing to Vittori,

821
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: it's like he fought.

822
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: He fought like a knucklehead in the way he.

823
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: Fought like, I'm just gonna lean on my power and

824
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: brawling and take it on the chin and keep coming back.

825
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: If that's who he's going to be moving forward, he

826
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: could probably still win this fight by knockout.

827
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean, is we're asking a lot of Luke Crocold

828
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: right now.

829
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

830
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 5: And he came back and decided to go back to middleweight,

831
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 5: You're right, which was previously hard for him to make.

832
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: I do wonder about I mean, you could say what

833
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: happened to two o five wasn't any different, But you know,

834
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 5: are there durability issues in general and in specifically at

835
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: one eighty five. These are big questions against a guy

836
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: who is wild but a heavy fucking hitter. But in

837
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 5: Paula Costa and Costa, you know, that derailment that BC's

838
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: talking about against Izzy that did a number on him.

839
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: But he did show a good life. I thought in

840
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: the victory fight, even though.

841
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: You are, okay, he showed toughness, but did you get

842
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: any of those feels I did that from the interviews

843
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: around that to the way he navigated that fight game

844
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: plan wise, that I almost feel like we may never

845
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: see that dialed in title contender guy. We'll still see

846
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: a dangerous guy who can win fights against certain names.

847
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, I'm projecting a lot cho

848
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: to get that.

849
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: I just saw things that weren't that didn't give me

850
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: a good feeling about the direction.

851
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: When we're talking about this with Pettis last week or

852
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: whatever it was, we're we're talking about Anthony Pasters and

853
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: you're like, the way he the way he lost, it's

854
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: the way he's talking about it, the way he's kind

855
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: of casting the blame and stuff like that that you're like,

856
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: that's also a red flight. It's not just him in

857
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: there getting you know, outworked or outclassed by somebody. It's

858
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: it's the way they're losing. And I kind of catch

859
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: that a little bit with both guys. Honestly, you're not

860
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: real happy with the way they're losing in the sense

861
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: of like how they're handling it. The way they're looking

862
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: at it, it's not really on par with some of

863
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: the ways you know they outside.

864
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: They're both riding a losing streak thing.

865
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true, and I feel like, yes, that

866
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: definitely applies to Paul Costs.

867
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 5: Okay, but there is a happy ending potentially, right, depending

868
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 5: on one's perspective.

869
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: Certainly, if they both go to the party afterwards and

870
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: just slay together.

871
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: Then I know then they would those two would walk

872
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: in and then then then the words of Charlie Murphy,

873
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: walk out and just drain the club all the time. Okay,

874
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 5: but let's say Luke rock Hold wins. Hey, that's a relevant.

875
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: That's why this fight's wild.

876
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Let's do that's a big ass win.

877
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: And he gets let's get hyperbolic here because of his

878
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: name and because he's called out Izzy a whole bunch

879
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: of times, like he's not out of the question of

880
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: getting a title shot off this win. Seriously, seriously, think

881
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: about it. I would think the promotion would want nothing

882
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: more than that at this point.

883
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thought.

884
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought about it. Well, he does.

885
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: They're fast tracking contenders.

886
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: Would not be the cool main event if he didn't.

887
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: If he didn't still have that who's on his name, Like,

888
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's in this spot. But uh man,

889
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: I mean he's able to pull that off. This is

890
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: one of those things you're like, you're never quite sure

891
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: because we have seen the rare example of guys who

892
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: they look like they're in the twilight of the career.

893
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: They're getting knocked out and they have like a little resurgence,

894
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: and then we just see them get knocked out three

895
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: more times down the stretch, and you know, I was like, uh, like,

896
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know where

897
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 3: he's at, but it would temporarily get there, but I'm

898
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: not sure I believe in his long term durability. And

899
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: to do that, he's.

900
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: Big strike durability.

901
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: Look when you look at who he's gont stoped by

902
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: outside of the bisbeek on, which was shocking although it.

903
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: Was a clean clear left on the end.

904
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: Look, I mean he got knocked out against the most

905
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: violent version of Romero, the most fucking violent version of

906
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: Trt Belfort we'd ever seen, and what against Yan one

907
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: weight class up.

908
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: But I think they also got rocked a little bit

909
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: by David Branch.

910
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: He gets he gets the connective tissue, whether we're talking

911
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: about prime business ping or this after I'm sorry, prime

912
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 4: rock holder, this after market version.

913
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: Is he fights arrogantly. He fights too arrogantly, and.

914
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if he has a suspect chin as

915
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 4: much as he just sometimes puts himself in space doesn't

916
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 4: where You're like, that wasn't a good spot to be

917
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: in with.

918
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: Your from that positionally?

919
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, because here's the thing.

920
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 5: It's like, dude, Luke Rockold can wrestle, and for folks

921
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: who don't know his jiu jitsu is excellent, it is excellent.

922
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: His kickboxing game is sick when he's.

923
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: This is my point, Like, dude, why would you imagine

924
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: again taking down Bohoeshena is not so easy. But let's

925
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 5: imagine like he is that is that in play? It

926
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: seems leased on paper. It should be part of the

927
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 5: attack no matter what. Let's see what he can do

928
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: with it. Because if you can just take his back,

929
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 5: oh my god, like dude, that's a very winnable fight

930
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: for Luke Rockele. But he has to to your point,

931
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: he has to choose to fight in that dimension.

932
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: Provider, it's the best you've ever seen the machieta fight man.

933
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: The first disping fight with the one arm from Mountain.

934
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: Feel like he's a sentimental favorite in any sense. I mean,

935
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: like you know some guys like they're a former champion.

936
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: He definitely had an audience that was applauding him in

937
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 5: some way, even though he's always been polarizing and heading

938
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 5: to the Wideman fight, Yeah, I felt like both guys

939
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 5: had fan bases rallying around each like each one.

940
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: And that said, we never saw that rematch A one

941
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: ninety nine. Still that Mooster of the two of them.

942
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: I wanted to see that fight back.

943
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: It was a weird one.

944
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: I still would see an old guy version, although yeah,

945
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: I don't want all right has Whie. We never lost

946
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: in the cage as hard as he was stopped by

947
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: Patti Stanger at the end of that Millionaire Matchmaker episode.

948
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: You mean Luke brock hol Yeah, she sent him too

949
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: head but the way he treated those.

950
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: Girls, you know, yeah, you know he was doing this

951
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: thing again.

952
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: This is the question we we had for your Riose, like,

953
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 5: what was it like when you got famous and then

954
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: women's all suddenly we're in your dms.

955
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, they've kind of always been.

956
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: There, really had an issue with that.

957
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 5: I mean like didn't even stand the questions, like you

958
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 5: guys just did you ever arrive back in the day, Like, uh,

959
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 5: you remember a round events.

960
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: I remember going to a poll party that they had

961
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: to beat him off with a stick. Bro It was ridiculous.

962
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: It was ridiculos. I've seen him in Vegas to multiple

963
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: times too. It's not a problem for that.

964
00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, put it that way, rock holed and California or

965
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: Costa on the beach in Rio in Espeedo, who cleans?

966
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 5: Okay, this conversation, this conversation is getting stupid.

967
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: We're now into wardrobe. We're now into wardrobe. But to

968
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 3: answer your question of the latter, yeah, answer, the answer

969
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 3: is Costa. Answer.

970
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about him for a second. Let's imagine

971
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: a world where that Okay, so Luke Brockold wins. Yeah,

972
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 5: people are happy for him. Okay, but that would mean

973
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: Bothoshena would be on a three fight losing streak at

974
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: that point, and you could say, whatever he lost to

975
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: Isy the champ or for a Tory number one contender, Fine,

976
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 5: you lost to a guy who, yes, Lucrockolds obviously very good,

977
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: but it would be on paper, a guy who in

978
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 5: three years that.

979
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: Would be a bad loss. That's gonna that's gonna hur him.

980
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 5: Would hurt that would like his stocks. I feel like

981
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: shaky if its not. After the Romero fight was all

982
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 5: time high.

983
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: I think he's on his way to being just a

984
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: name action fighter who trades wins and losses at this level.

985
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: And I don't want that for him. But I feel.

986
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: Like, like, what's the best What's the most together, competent,

987
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: future potential champion version we saw?

988
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: Was it the fight with Romero? Was that the best

989
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: version of him?

990
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 5: I mean his game there are Hendrix was a nice

991
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: You asked me, like, what's a nice win? Hendricks was

992
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 5: a nice win. He gave Hendricks the business. You're smoked him.

993
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: He had the Hendricks one. I like a little bit more.

994
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.

995
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: Mean, dude, the version of him. I mean he he

996
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: pushed that pace against Romero. He made that fight that crazy.

997
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: Yes, but it was you know, he took a lot

998
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: of damage.

999
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: I would feel like at this point, if he loses

1000
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: this fight, it would be one of those steep ledges,

1001
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: like where you're like this guy. I felt like he

1002
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: was going here and then you know what, I mean

1003
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: like it would be like a very very steep decline

1004
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: for a guy that you thought was going to do

1005
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 3: a lot more, you know, at this point.

1006
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 5: But we also can't tell if the pre easy episode

1007
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: where it was the wine and not sleeping and then

1008
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 5: just totally like just not having a great performance, was

1009
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: that a one time thing, right, because remember heading into

1010
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 5: this fight, there was the whole a nurse alleged that

1011
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 5: he assaulted her over.

1012
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: A vaccine card.

1013
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 5: Because it's just like, I mean, the most mma story

1014
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 5: imaginable and there are so many.

1015
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: And then he gave his credit card inoted rumbull and

1016
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: you know.

1017
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: You get the idea.

1018
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 5: It's like, it's like, what's going on with this guy?

1019
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: You have, he.

1020
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: Has a good team.

1021
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 5: Around him, and obviously he's got ability, but you still wonder, like,

1022
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 5: is he gonna, like, you know, get have a nice

1023
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 5: steady performance again something like that.

1024
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: I just think this one was staying. I'm not saying

1025
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: it would be the end of him, you know, but

1026
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: this one's gonna hurt. I don't think he regains the sheine.

1027
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: Where's that right now? A co main event in this

1028
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: type of status where he actually doesn't chance machine the

1029
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: machine I like that.

1030
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: That's very madly.

1031
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: Here's just I feel like he lose that for good

1032
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 3: if he loses.

1033
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 5: How does this compare to the Gustuson situation in the

1034
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: sense that like long time back, finally coming back probably

1035
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: to the more appropriate weight class, but Augustus and tried

1036
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 5: the heavyweight thing the same in are we gonna let's

1037
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: let's say, let's say it looks like that, right, that's

1038
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: let's talk about that scenario. And that scenario is that

1039
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: it for Luke Rockfold? Do you think he probably hangs

1040
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 5: it up after that? Seems like here's the problem. It's

1041
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 5: a just puncher. It's so and it's funny with Luke Rockold.

1042
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 5: Have you talked to you talked to Luke before?

1043
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: Not recently, okay, But I mean like he's a guy

1044
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: who actually does have certain business outside of he's you know,

1045
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: he's got life outside of fighting. But he's a weird

1046
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: guy man who like gets stuck in his crawl, like

1047
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: he wants to correct things. I feel like in part

1048
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: that's what this is. He has a kind of a rivalry,

1049
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: like a rivalry or unresolved thing he wants to do

1050
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: with this guy. But if it doesn't go his way.

1051
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if he has in him just to

1052
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 3: walk away at that point, like without getting a victory

1053
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: or something. He's one of those guys, you know, I

1054
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: think they would want to go out on a high note.

1055
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: But he does have stuff, like he was doing modeling

1056
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: and all kinds of stuff at some point. I know

1057
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: he has other business ventures. I feel like he's I

1058
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: mean he was doing I mean he I mean, he's

1059
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: got life outside of fighting. So I would like to

1060
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: see him. You always want to see guys get out

1061
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: gracefully as they can, you know, But and he's he's

1062
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: up there in age, man. I mean, it's not going

1063
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: to get better.

1064
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 5: I just I just feel like he doesn't actually have

1065
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 5: to win, but he's got to show lights.

1066
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: Well maybe that's it got to show light.

1067
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: And interesting question, is there a loss that's a win for.

1068
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: Him If he goes in there and is like competitive

1069
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 5: and like wins around and is fighting smart out, you know,

1070
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 5: it doesn't get it done, but like, yeah, I'd be

1071
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 5: interested in seeing that. It's a different thing at that point,

1072
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 5: but it's still.

1073
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: Good, Like we got a great fight for you next,

1074
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: Sam Alvi. There is you know Sam's will pour one

1075
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: off for Sam.

1076
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 5: Bet you brought that conversation to a whole Yeah, apparently

1077
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: I'm good for it the old right, we can talk

1078
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: about the feature fight on the main card, which, of

1079
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 5: course Jose Aldo is bad this one taking on Morob

1080
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: and I'm sure I'm fucking his name up. But they

1081
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 5: say on the broadcast to Wallah Wheeley, there's a v there,

1082
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 5: but they pronounce it like at W.

1083
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: Seven fight win streak for demolish Wheely incredible.

1084
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: What has a win over the guy that beat Aldo?

1085
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 5: In the sense of Marije Now he got a slightly

1086
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 5: different one by the time Rob fought him, although Marob

1087
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: had to come back from defeat. Here's how this one

1088
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 5: looks to me, Chuck, tell me if I'm wrong. BC

1089
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: and I talked about this a few times. Although shown

1090
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 5: tremendous life advance and wait, not perfect run, but he's

1091
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 5: shown beer right, winstreak, Yeah, and it's shown against good fighters,

1092
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: not the best ones, but very good ones. Here he

1093
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 5: is against a guy who is not as skilled as him,

1094
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 5: but has maybe the most impressive motor in that division

1095
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 5: and maybe in all of UFC or even MMA, and

1096
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: an absolute insane cardiovascular conditioning level, how's this one gonna

1097
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: go and what's it gonna mean?

1098
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: Well, if I'm Jose, although I'm watching the first half

1099
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: of the Mariahs fight with Morob and saying like, Okay, look,

1100
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: this is how he was doing it, and it plays

1101
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: into his strengths because if you're watching that fight, Maria's

1102
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: was just like taking his lead leg and just like

1103
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: wapping it. He was just like attacking it and setting

1104
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: up what he was going to do, and then he

1105
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: put him in deep the deep water very quickly in

1106
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: that round about midway through it. That's what I'm doing

1107
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: if I'm Jose, Although I'm looking at that and I'm saying,

1108
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: we can we can duplicate this, we can do something

1109
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: like this because he's longer, he's rangy, you know, I

1110
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: feel like that that's the game plan. But man, that's

1111
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: a tough, tough fight when you really think about it,

1112
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: because just Morob, it wasn't just that you saw him

1113
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: like get rocked and all that stuff, because then it's

1114
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: like there's, uh, well he looks he looks mortal, but

1115
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: then he doesn't in the same round, which, yeah, it

1116
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: was like one of those crazy things. I went back

1117
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: and watched that recently. I was like, dude, it's still

1118
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: as improbable to watch the way that round played out

1119
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: as the first time watching it live.

1120
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: It shouldn't auch of guys.

1121
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then his corner just on like, hey, man,

1122
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: now you've taken his best shot. Now go break him,

1123
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like he goes in there and

1124
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: breaks him. That's a tough, tough man he's facing in there.

1125
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Man.

1126
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: Jose has to control all the terms of this fight,

1127
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 4: and it's going to come through some of those ways

1128
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: that Maris had early success. Of course, if though, if

1129
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: Jose's actually able to keep himself off the ground more

1130
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: often than he's on it, and if he is allowed,

1131
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 4: through the threat of his power, to control those terms

1132
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 4: and do at a pace which is more pleasable for him.

1133
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: What's Morob striking level at at that point to compete on.

1134
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: This level Haymakers, which they land at MMA they land,

1135
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 5: but Haymakers.

1136
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 4: So you're saying Morob's a game has which is an

1137
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: incredible A game has to be an effect for him

1138
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: to win this one, Yeah, which.

1139
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 5: Just means to win every round, but overall he has

1140
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 5: to find a way to take by the way Actually,

1141
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: this is the interesting part.

1142
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: It's not a five round fight. It's a three round fight.

1143
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: Yes, so you got to put a pace on Joe's here.

1144
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't believe that they made this one five rounds.

1145
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1146
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 5: So here you are with a situation where if you're

1147
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 5: either guy dude, I mean, you can't be like giving

1148
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 5: away rounds on this one.

1149
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: There's just not enough.

1150
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 5: I will say though, if it's shorter, it favors. Although

1151
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 5: right it's less of a sprint he has to go.

1152
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 5: You could imagine him winning the first three rounds and

1153
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: four and five Morob just utterly ready to run a

1154
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: fucking marathon at that point begins to really put some

1155
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: steam on him.

1156
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: But that's not the situation.

1157
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: With situation and that makes this morning.

1158
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: That is true. That is true, as the three round

1159
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: is a little bit more it is. It's an interesting fight.

1160
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: I just man. Although I will say this for although

1161
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: I don't know how you guys felt when he made

1162
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: the drop. Initially this was five fights, now the sixth

1163
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: fight at bansamweight. When he was doing that, I felt

1164
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: like it was such a horrible idea. This is a

1165
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: fig Yeah, desperation also a guy who struggled to make

1166
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: one forty five most times he was like when when

1167
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: people talk about anybody dropping down, who you're like, there

1168
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: was no way. That's how it felt like he was

1169
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: dropping down the way. And for him to be in

1170
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: this position where now he can place himself into contention again,

1171
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 3: you know, basically because they gave they gifted him on

1172
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: legacy the first contention at bands right, so it's like

1173
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: they gifted him off of his his career. But this

1174
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: would be like where he earns it. This would be

1175
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: one of the crazier twilight turnarounds of any champion we've

1176
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: seen in a reinvention.

1177
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: Supposed to be a FRANKI.

1178
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: Edgar like way of constant reinventions and always Okay, he

1179
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 4: lost against that league guy, but two or three fights later,

1180
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: you're right back in the contention.

1181
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: That sort of winning the title.

1182
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: Especially against we know he just teased what that stake

1183
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: potentially for josem. He may cut the line with a win. Here,

1184
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 4: This is as tough a fight for jose as you

1185
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: can imagine the division. What about Morob he cut the

1186
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: line with a win. How crowded is this bottleneck title

1187
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: picture a top?

1188
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: It's a great question, right, because we've got i mean,

1189
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 5: the most insane unlikely fight ever. You've got Pyoto Jan

1190
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 5: at UFC two eighty fighting Sugar Sean O'Malley.

1191
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: You're like, what them?

1192
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: And we get L Joe Dills, which you've got Cory.

1193
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: Think there's a lot of turnover that's about to happen.

1194
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 5: So what I would say is it's kind of really

1195
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: hard to map that out, that there's so many permutations

1196
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 5: of how this could go. But for sure, I'll say this,

1197
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 5: if you're Morob and you get a win, certainly puts

1198
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: you in play. If you're Morob and however unlikely, you

1199
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 5: may think it if you stop Jose Aldo, that is

1200
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: some extra juice on your contendership card.

1201
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: You look at what it did.

1202
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: We were like, oh and yeah, I had to do

1203
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: it the championship rounds.

1204
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: I believe.

1205
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: I believe that was we did punch him in the

1206
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: back of the skull fifty four times.

1207
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: But that that happens, you go, right.

1208
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: But he didn't.

1209
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 5: You didn't see him complain after the fight about it.

1210
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 5: Too much on it.

1211
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 4: By the way, talk about reinvention, Jose coming back from

1212
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: that loss now back at this level again.

1213
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was gonna be the end, because.

1214
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: That's a quiet storyline. Again, even in this fight week,

1215
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's just it's unlikely, right, It's just so

1216
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: unlikely that you would be able to do all those things,

1217
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: you know, go through the losses, he did, the weight

1218
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 3: cut that he's doing, and then all of a sudden

1219
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: have a run in that division. I just don't feel

1220
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: like anybody really.

1221
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 5: I was going to say, here's the thing about Aldo

1222
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 5: that we should discuss though, even if he beats Morob,

1223
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 5: and even he beats Morob convincingly, yes he could cut

1224
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 5: the line, but there's some uncertainty about that. Right, he's

1225
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 5: in play way, right if a male starches you on,

1226
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 5: which again is unlikely, but let's say, you know, if

1227
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 5: this is the fight game, ship like that happens, Yes,

1228
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 5: that mean all bets are off at that point. But

1229
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 5: what I would want to point out is what if

1230
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 5: Aldo loses right in that world, because right now he's

1231
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 5: playing with like a faint hope of a potential one

1232
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 5: more go at the title. It's not like losing to Morob.

1233
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 5: He's losing to some bum. You're not losing to a

1234
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 5: very talented fighter. But it would kind of signal, given

1235
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 5: the other losses, that you're not going to beat the

1236
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 5: top five guys. That's not where the state you're in anymore.

1237
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 5: Do you think he buys into that idea or what

1238
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 5: happens if he loses.

1239
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys man, who I feel like

1240
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: fighting is kind of what they do.

1241
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: Ye, He's going to fight to make him stuff, That's.

1242
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, you think so? I think so. It

1243
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: was funny because it's sort of like Anderson Sofa back

1244
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: in the day, because when they were on their highest rounds,

1245
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: they're like they're threatening or retire at any minute. Remember

1246
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: they were always like I'm pretty much out of this now,

1247
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take another. You know, they keep going. But

1248
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: he in actuality, like I really believe he's one of

1249
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: those guys. He's I don't see him wanting to quit.

1250
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1251
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 3: I don't think you're even doing what he's doing unless

1252
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: you really want it.

1253
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: So you're not here to necessarily romanticize the legacy of

1254
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: Jose Aldo.

1255
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna do another clip tomorrow actually, which

1256
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: romanticize away.

1257
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 4: It's freaking incredible where he what he's done But how

1258
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: about how quickly he responded to the starching by Connor,

1259
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: the two stoppage losses against Holloway, the reinvention at ban Wait,

1260
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: and oh it didn't go his way at first he lost,

1261
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 4: but then they gifted him a Tuo shot. But then

1262
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 4: he was viciously stopped by that young cat. But now

1263
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: he's built another wind streak. This is what he does, man,

1264
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: And when it's what you do and you're that great,

1265
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: but your intangibles are also as great as your elite

1266
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: skills are, you're gonna always believe you can come back

1267
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 4: again because you've done it. It's why Muhammad al Lee

1268
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 4: lingered until again they physically removed him. You know, I'm

1269
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: not saying Jose as I'll Lee like necessarily, but they're

1270
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: closer to each other than Jose to a lot of

1271
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 4: other fighters.

1272
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's of the all time ILK.

1273
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 4: People have long said, hey, BC, when you're always talking

1274
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: about the upper room of the top five, you never

1275
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 4: mentioned Jose, And I always say, okay, he's the tier

1276
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: right below that.

1277
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: But if you want to.

1278
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: Put Jose in the overall goat category, it's not like

1279
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 4: anyone's going to protest outside your building.

1280
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: And say that's a bad idea.

1281
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 4: This guy's done it, and it's because he's always able

1282
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 4: to find that extra what's left inside. He's always going

1283
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 4: to believe that it's there, Luke. So I don't even

1284
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: think if he loses hair it deters him from trying

1285
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 4: to find a big fight after that. I'm not saying

1286
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: he's trying to fight the winner of MVP and and

1287
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 4: Mike Perry at BKFC, but I'm saying, you know, I

1288
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: shoutill want to see him in a rematch with Connord anyway,

1289
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: you know, that would be cool or the hell a

1290
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: good lightweight right now?

1291
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's not top of the priority list,

1292
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 5: right yeah, still just the same. If he loses I

1293
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 5: do think it calls into question again, although maybe I'm

1294
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 5: contradicting myself. That turnover at Banton Wake could be extraordinary.

1295
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 5: There's a lot of different ways he could play this,

1296
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: but I would it would be a bad sign for

1297
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 5: his He's not getting younger either.

1298
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: By the way, do you feel like.

1299
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: He's safer, like I mean, maybe you guys are going

1300
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: to be slightly slightly state obviously, like he's their decision victories.

1301
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: He's finding ways he's finding you know what I mean,

1302
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: like he's it's safer.

1303
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: I think he can't fight at that pace anymore.

1304
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, especially with the wake, I think he's just

1305
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 5: again there is a trade off between smarts and not

1306
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 5: all the time, but there is something of a correlation

1307
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 5: between how smart you are.

1308
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: And how devastating you are.

1309
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, he's he's he's devastating. Some of

1310
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: the Lake Kicks have made a comeback, which has been everything.

1311
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 5: He throws with full power. He commits. He's not afraid

1312
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 5: of contact in this one. But yeah, he doesn't quite

1313
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 5: have the sting maybe in ways.

1314
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 4: I mean when he got the ship kicked out of

1315
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: him twice against Holloway, to be blunt, I respected him

1316
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: like so much more than I ever had, not that

1317
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 4: there was every reason before that. Not too, he's alleged

1318
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: the king of real But the way he went out

1319
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 4: there and was like, I am going to keep trying

1320
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: to win this fight until you stop me.

1321
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: I remember just thinking this guy's a fucking savage.

1322
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he is absolutely bout it about it, and

1323
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 4: I think that's the spirit that's still carrying him fight.

1324
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like he just the way he went in

1325
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: there and did that. I was like, same thing. I mean,

1326
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: I have ultimate respect for him anyway, but it's just

1327
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: it's just such an improbable thing, you know, I don't

1328
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: really I mean, obviously this is the real truth moment

1329
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 3: because you're going against the guy scepted by wind streak

1330
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: and he's kind of bookmarked. I think a lot of

1331
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: people are like, well, this guy's going to be a

1332
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: champion eventually, you know, like people see him that way.

1333
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: Is he the best is supposed to be when they

1334
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: put him on the ice flow and give it a

1335
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: kick and say so long jokes?

1336
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: Although you know, I'm just thinking about this aut a lot.

1337
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 5: He's the best fighter in WEC history, right, Yes, yeah,

1338
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 5: he has to be.

1339
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that's right.

1340
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I think that he was a lesser version

1341
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: of who he is now in certain ways obviously, but the.

1342
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: Terms of like.

1343
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it was maybe it was three there

1344
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: and then seven.

1345
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 5: In the UFC, shy Riah took the I mean just

1346
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: took the belt from Mike Thomas Brown when Mike Thoms

1347
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 5: Brown was a fucking hammer and then uh, you know

1348
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 5: the ship he did to cub and stuff. I mean,

1349
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 5: he's got he he was just I was in the UFC,

1350
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: but still he'll wrecking people.

1351
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 3: It was crazy, all right, So.

1352
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: To flip side to end this morob. You know that cabinet,

1353
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: I got that.

1354
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: I add tools too often, the hammer Cain, I know,

1355
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: he's what Georgian?

1356
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 2: Do we add him?

1357
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 4: Do we add his mallet to the cabinet? Which has

1358
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: you know, to be fair? Right now in the cabinet

1359
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 4: it's it's it's rockmanoff, it's let me feel around here

1360
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: is and caliav on the Maga medoff over here, Mago

1361
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 4: Pabov is right over here, or.

1362
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: Maybe Mongo medof Sorry, Mago Maga medoff.

1363
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: This is you being a creepy back?

1364
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: Do we have room back here?

1365
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 3: Luke.

1366
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: I also have a few other Eastern European hammers. We're

1367
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: gonna add him.

1368
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 5: To that, to that group, right, yeah, he's in there

1369
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 5: as well, not there yet. What I would like to see, right,

1370
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 5: what I would like to see is he could win

1371
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 5: based on the skills he has. I think it's not

1372
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 5: the likeliest outcome, but certainly possible. But if he can

1373
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 5: start putting some real leather. The thing is a lot

1374
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 5: of people have to apportion their offense because they don't

1375
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 5: have the cardio to power it. They have to be

1376
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 5: They have to think about a strategy that they can

1377
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 5: maintain for fifteen minutes if.

1378
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: They have to.

1379
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 5: He really doesn't, So dude, open up, you know what

1380
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 5: I mean, Like I don't want to get hit, but

1381
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 5: like you can do what you want to do. Just

1382
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 5: get good at one particular aspect of it. The cardial

1383
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 5: can power you as far as you want to go.

1384
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: I think he learns too from that last fight, Like

1385
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys man who's still on the

1386
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: on the come up, still very hungry training that way,

1387
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: like he before that fight. Like so you know that round,

1388
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: that round was what it was. It was a classic round.

1389
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: But like you go backwards and there's really a very

1390
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 3: few rounds where anybody's beating him, you know what I mean.

1391
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: Like I think Salmon had like a round which was

1392
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: pretty good. But if you go backwards, he has a

1393
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: lot of thirty twenty six is thirty twenty sevens or

1394
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: thirty twenty five's just all over, Like he just dominates guys,

1395
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1396
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: I have Hammer's also.

1397
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, but a guy like Ricky Simone who's

1398
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 5: leveled up as well. Ricky, someone had that hard fault

1399
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 5: went over him. I think, you know, this is an

1400
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 5: interesting fight for Mirob because he gets a big name

1401
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 5: and he's earned it. But you know, I would like

1402
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 5: to see him begin to put together some real like

1403
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 5: amazing ground control ground Slow the fight. You can go

1404
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 5: a million miles an hour. Slow the fight down, start

1405
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 5: putting some steam on these guys.

1406
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: You think we'll ever see the heart punch be a

1407
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: prominent weapon in m.

1408
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 5: That's when the b C grenade here it is. Yeah,

1409
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 5: just rolled it in the room.

1410
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it can't feel good if it's open.

1411
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: Head over, Chuck, if.

1412
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: You leave that open. If you and I have across

1413
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: each other and like a bar or something and we're like,

1414
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: we had a good run, but you know, fuck you, Chuck,

1415
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm going right for your heart.

1416
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 5: You're doing like the Jim Carrey dumb and dumber thing

1417
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 5: where you pulled out of his chest to put it

1418
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 5: in a bag.

1419
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: And give it to Lauren Holly.

1420
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: Is that yes?

1421
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: In the dream sequence?

1422
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 5: Well that's gonna be fun. There is one other fight

1423
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 5: of note. There's a random average fight in the car. No, No,

1424
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 5: it's the the Romanov.

1425
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: Taking Alexander Romanov from Romania.

1426
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: That's right from roman.

1427
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: Put some respect on the Moldovians. He was the largest

1428
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 4: betting favorite and UFC history in his last.

1429
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 5: Fight, big on Marching Tibora, which is the right next

1430
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 5: fight for him to this guy Romanov undefeated, kind of strong,

1431
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 5: kind of fun, kind of got a little edge to him.

1432
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 3: I like this five finishes right all on the You

1433
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: know that's that's tough, right, that's tough to do. You're

1434
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: putting him against a tough escalator.

1435
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, tough escalation opponent, but one where like, if he

1436
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 5: is the goods, he should look good.

1437
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: I think that that's this is still the Augustus Kai level,

1438
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: with all due respect, after this, after this, you're going

1439
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 4: to be knocking on that. Next level he make, he

1440
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 4: may catch you. Derek Luis coming down after this, right,

1441
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 4: like that type of level of matchmaking, that's fair.

1442
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: It's time.

1443
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 4: It might be time if he if he blows Tyberrow away,

1444
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: if he makes ty Burrow.

1445
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 3: You're you gonna put him in your little groap box

1446
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: back here.

1447
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: A question, that's a good question.

1448
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 4: If he makes ty Burrow look like Sean Gannon did

1449
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 4: against Brandon Lee.

1450
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: Hankle to That was a She's like, just let me

1451
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: find it's under here.

1452
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: Let me do that was a terrible fight.

1453
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: So Sean Gannon, dude, Sean Gannon beats Kimbo underground UFC

1454
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 5: signs and then Brandon Lee Hinkle goes in there and

1455
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 5: demolish his hand.

1456
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 4: But also between that, between the signing and the debut,

1457
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 4: Sean Gannon got those tats like the angel wings on

1458
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: his shoulders.

1459
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 2: It's not a good man, not a good glove.

1460
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: I heard he's having a rough go of it. Oh glad.

1461
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 4: He should have had that rematch in elitics. That's what

1462
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 4: they should I'm sure.

1463
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. I'm sure Gary Shawk.

1464
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: If Seth Petricks Elliott should have been Okay, they're telling

1465
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 4: me in my ear.

1466
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: We've done a strong hour, a power hour. Are you

1467
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: want to go any further?

1468
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: No, I'm good.

1469
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: Uh, he's been trying to get.

1470
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 5: Out since staff Chuck, how can folks find your work?

1471
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 3: Well, they can go to the myth dot com and yes,

1472
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: m I T H That's where I'm at. Twitter is Chuckman.

1473
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: And also those are the primary place.

1474
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: To the ringer thing.

1475
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ringer of the green room.

1476
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: We do the Ringer Mima show every Thursday and most

1477
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: Saturday days after the Carol Are Carrol Ara Hawane, big

1478
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: community and you know it's a lot of fun. They've

1479
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: it's it's grown exponential over the last year. We just

1480
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 3: passed our year mark on it. It's been nice.

1481
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good.

1482
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: Any any any pilgrimages to Colorado coming up?

1483
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: Uh?

1484
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: Not until December.

1485
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: Back to the motherland.

1486
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1487
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Bro, the dispensary is there, will put you on.

1488
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: You loved it, you actually love I remember the glory

1489
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: who You're having a good time?

1490
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Mountain You know what I learned today.

1491
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: He's you know father and his grandpappy and his granddaddy's daddy.

1492
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: They were like mountain men in Colorado.

1493
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: They were the mountain men. My sister lives outside of Boulder.

1494
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: You go up into the mountains, there's a legit mountain.

1495
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: Oh there is. And I'm George Charles Minton Hall the

1496
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: fourth and George Charles Minton Hall the first is still

1497
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: in a mine that blew up at twenty years old

1498
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: in Colorado.

1499
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 4: Whoa, that's that's like that movie you talked to me

1500
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 4: about the Thirteen Mile.

1501
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 5: Those were Thai kids who are on a soccer team

1502
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 5: who were trapped in an underwater cave very close connected

1503
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: connect all of whom were extracted exactly know.

1504
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: Shout out to baby Jessica. By the way, you made it.

1505
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: She did.

1506
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: She did.

1507
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: Okay. By the way, if you know the movie Alive,

1508
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.

1509
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've told Luke that, like I've already donated my

1510
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 4: organs that you can check out my license. But if

1511
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 4: it comes down to it, in any situation where we're

1512
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: together and he needs to eat the ship out of

1513
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: my ass, don't toss the salad, bro go right for

1514
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 4: the meat.

1515
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell you that, right, Yeah, that's yours. It's great.

1516
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how happy I would.

1517
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 5: Need to go hungry.

1518
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: I was delighted.

1519
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 3: I would I love him every at the five minute mark.

1520
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: Every time is when you like decided I love ban.

1521
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 4: Would be like, well, Luke, how did you survive out there?

1522
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 4: It's like, remember that co host I told you about

1523
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 4: you some dude. Yeah, I ate.

1524
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 5: That some guy, Yeah, that the other guy, the other guy.

1525
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: Yes, co host was that when you're on the show.

1526
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: So when I was on the show, I called it

1527
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: co host.

1528
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: If I broke.

1529
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: To someone else called him that other.

1530
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 4: If I did your dream and tatted in my ass

1531
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 4: ahead of time, would you be more like its likely

1532
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: to eat it?

1533
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: Would that changed the meat with the ink in there?

1534
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: It might? It might, It might be more inclined to

1535
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: eat that artwork.

1536
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

1537
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 3: What am I done?

1538
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: You feel like Pat Berry in this T shirt?

1539
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: That's it?

1540
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 5: Chuck Bendon Hall fucking Brian cantl Looke Toms shows right.

1541
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: It's the worst. Get out of here, right,