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Speaker 2: All Right, how the heck are you Chris Brown, Steve

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Speaker 2: Tasker here with you on a Tuesday up until three pm.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, making us part of your day

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Speaker 2: as we discuss the off season that has begun. In earnest,

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Speaker 2: super Bowl is over. The new season has begun. We

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Speaker 2: have flipped the page and it is it is not

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Speaker 2: officially a new league year. That does not happen until

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Speaker 2: free agency opens on March thirteenth, and all teams must

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Speaker 2: be cap compliant, so that is the technical start of

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Speaker 2: the new league year. But as far as all thirty

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Speaker 2: year has begun and some teams are already taking care

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Speaker 2: of business. We'll get to that in a second when

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Speaker 2: we go around the NFL. But there was first some

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Speaker 2: bills news to pass along, which crossed yesterday after we

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Speaker 2: got off the air. Another coaching staff position has been filled.

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Speaker 2: Offensive quality control coach DJ Mangus has been hired full time.

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Speaker 2: For those that might remember, Mangus came over from the

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Speaker 2: promoted to interim offensive coordinator. They had a vacancy on

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Speaker 2: Joe Brady replaced him, but nobody replaced Joe Brady, so

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Speaker 2: the offensive staff was down a man, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: They brought on dj Mangus, who had worked with Joe

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Speaker 2: They brought him over to Orchard Park and he kind

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Speaker 1: Where that's it's my understanding. And if people are wondering,

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Speaker 1: which I always used to wonder, what quality control means,

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Speaker 1: it's what they used to call a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is what they used to call self scout, Like how

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Speaker 1: Are we doing things the right way? Are we getting

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Speaker 1: What is self scout?

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Speaker 2: Do we have to institute a tendency breaker here? Put

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Speaker 1: Right, you gotta look at yourself and say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: can't keep doing this thing this and you know they're

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Speaker 1: kind of you know what I mean. That kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff is what quality control guys, you plus a gazillion

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Speaker 1: other things on the field, off the field, analytics, all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff. It's a wide ranging thing that quality

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Speaker 2: And a lot of NFL coaches, you know, the higher ups,

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Speaker 1: In my day, that's it. All the head coaches started

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Speaker 2: Not in the NFL, presumably somewhere else, whether rise as

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Speaker 2: which is presented by Colida Health, the official healthcare system

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Speaker 2: of the Buffalo bills, and we begin with the broadcast numbers,

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Speaker 2: Steve for the Super Bowl. Now, we often know that

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Speaker 2: this is one of the most watched live programs of

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Speaker 2: but the numbers increased by a factor. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that anybody anticipated, first and foremost, one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: It's I heard somebody say it was the most watched

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Speaker 1: That was it. That was the only way you could

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Speaker 2: exactly as you have it out on streaming platforms. Now,

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Speaker 1: And some of it might be a little bit of

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Speaker 2: The second time in four seasons or is it three seasons?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Burrow's wrist injury, it was a risk.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, Gabe, we all know this too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bengals have about fifty three million in cap space.

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Speaker 2: That's something, you know, while the Bills are upside down

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Speaker 2: the phones, you can always send us a message on

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Speaker 2: the tweetsheet at one Bill's Live. So that's kind of

437
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Speaker 2: where it's at, and I don't know, it's an interesting breakdown, Steve.

438
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Speaker 2: Obviously we'll have a better sense on how many receivers

439
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Speaker 2: they're likely to draft once we see how Brandon being

440
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Speaker 2: in the personnel department fill out the roster on the

441
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Speaker 2: free agent side of things, because as we know, they

442
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Speaker 2: like to fill as many holes as possible in free agency,

443
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Speaker 2: so they're not forced to lean toward need in the

444
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Speaker 2: draft because what that ends up doing is creating reach situations,

445
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Speaker 2: and you never want to reach in the draft.

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Speaker 1: That Yeah, like we said, you know, you may need

447
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver really bad, but the only wide receiver

448
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Speaker 1: you could wait three rounds and get the wide receiver,

449
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver that's left. So you got to

450
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Speaker 1: do that, and they end up taking either you take

451
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Speaker 1: him there or you take another really good player to

452
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Speaker 1: position you don't need. It's the curse of the draft,

453
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Speaker 1: and it's also you know, the challenge of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, especially when you're picking twenty eighth in the round, right,

455
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Speaker 2: you're at the mercy of a lot of what happens

456
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Speaker 2: in front of it.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing too, you may get the best

458
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Speaker 1: player of the draft at twenty eight, but it takes

459
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Speaker 1: him a year and a half to get on the field,

460
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Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. It's like, ah, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: because he's just not ready or you got to you know,

462
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Speaker 1: all pro ahead of him or whatever. I mean, that's

463
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Speaker 1: that's a little bit of an exaggeration, but that's what

464
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Speaker 1: you're looking at. You evaluate these guys and you and

465
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Speaker 1: you find out later you got a pretty good guy

466
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Speaker 1: that you didn't even have on your board when the

467
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Speaker 1: whole thing started. So it's, uh, we go through this

468
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Speaker 1: every year and it's so frustrating to go to because

469
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: every guy, every guy you like, has always taken three

470
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Speaker 1: picks ahead of where you're picking. Drives me crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and when you're again, when you're picking low

472
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Speaker 2: in the round, you have far less control as to

473
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Speaker 2: the options you're gonna have at your disposal because there's

474
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Speaker 2: twenty seven teams in front of you, kind of determining

475
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Speaker 2: how the board is unfolding for you. You don't have

476
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Speaker 2: really any power unless you make a big move up

477
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Speaker 2: the board something to that effect. But there's a it's

478
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Speaker 2: an interesting free agent market, and I think we all

479
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Speaker 2: know that the Bills are kno going to be able

480
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Speaker 2: to swing big in free agency at the receiver position

481
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: or any other for that matter. But there are some

482
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Speaker 2: interesting values, you know, out there on the free agent market.

483
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Speaker 2: You got a guy like Kendrick Bourne, who I know

484
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: has said he'd like to re sign with New England.

485
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Speaker 2: I think that guy can be had, you know, at

486
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Speaker 2: an affordable price, maybe four and a half five million

487
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Speaker 2: a year. See if he's interested in playing for a

488
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Speaker 2: contender after wallowing at home on his couch and not

489
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Speaker 2: participating in the playoffs. I think that guy's an underrated player.

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Speaker 2: I'd be happy with Kendrick Bourne.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. He played very well against this team, and that's

492
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Speaker 1: always kind of one of the things you look at, right,

493
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Speaker 1: a guy who's crushed you and get.

494
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Speaker 2: Him on your twenty eight years old.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know he's got he's The list is unbelievably

496
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Speaker 1: long of guys that are going to be free.

497
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Speaker 2: But that can drive the value down. You know, when

498
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: there's that much supply, you know you can get somebody

499
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Speaker 2: at an affordable price.

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Speaker 1: And then you look at other teams too, look at

501
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: guys that were playing for teams like Cincinnati, tough team

502
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Speaker 1: to get on the field for right. I mean, you

503
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: could be really really good and never see the field

504
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: in Cincy. And there's a guy like that kid named

505
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: Trenton Irwin. I have no idea who he is, but

506
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking at. Guys like that, or you

507
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: can find that were mired behind a really great group

508
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: of people, much like we thought last year with the

509
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: group here, we had, you know, a D line in

510
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: training camp. They had some guys that could really play, and.

511
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: You know he Kingsley Jonathan couldn't get on the Kingsley.

512
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: Jonathan couldn't get on the field. You and I and

513
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Speaker 1: I'll say it again, you and I are really high

514
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: on that guy. I don't know who knows it's gonna

515
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: work out, but that's what we're looking at. So there's

516
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Speaker 1: a lot, you know, you and I are looking at this.

517
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: There's gotta be what twenty, there's gotta be fifty guys

518
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: on this list more than that, seventy five. There's seventy

519
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: five guys on the list that are NFL players that

520
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: were on rosters this year who are now free agents.

521
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: Seventy five guys, and there's some guys in there.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot. There are a lot.

523
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Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see if you if you threw

524
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: all of these guys on this list into this year's draft,

525
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: where would they fall. That's kind of what you're looking

526
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Speaker 1: at right right.

527
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Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see because you have enough teams

528
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: with free agent cap room to spend lavishly, you know,

529
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: on a top tier receiver if they want. How many

530
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: teams do that, you know, that are at the top

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Speaker 2: of the list in terms of cap space, and what

532
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: does that leave for everybody else in week two and

533
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Speaker 2: maybe week three of free agency? That could go a

534
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Speaker 2: long way in determining what the Bills could get at

535
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: a good value. You have a chance to get a

536
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: quality player at a decent value if basically only three

537
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: or four guys make giant money and everybody else has

538
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: got to settle for far less than they anticipated. Similar

539
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: to how the safety market unfolded last year, it was

540
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: basically Jesse Bates got Bookoo money and everybody else was like,

541
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 2: where's my money. It's because there were eighteen starters at

542
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: the safety position in the free agent market. Will the

543
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: same happen at receiver? Bill certainly hope so, because that

544
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: would mean supply would outweigh demand and you could get

545
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: an affordable value, which is what the Bills are going

546
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: to be looking for in the front.

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Speaker 1: I told you, man, a lot of these guys are

548
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: going to look at the market and look around saying

549
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I need a place, I want to work. I don't

550
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: want to sit out a year. Just give me a contract.

551
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some of that. And when you give

552
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: a guy a one year deal. We've said it before,

553
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: this is a great strategy.

554
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Speaker 4: Man.

555
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Speaker 1: They're highly motivated to produce as much as they can

556
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Speaker 1: every single snap.

557
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Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but your phone calls when

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Speaker 2: we return, Dan and Eerie, Burton Lockport and others holding

559
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Speaker 2: at eight oh three, five fifty. We'll get to you

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Speaker 2: when we return. Here on One Bill's Live presented by

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Speaker 2: Collide Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here

562
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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

563
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Speaker 2: and question or topic of discussion today. What is your

564
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: ideal scenario for how to restock the Bills wide receiver

565
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: room this offseason. We go to the phones at eight

566
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Speaker 2: oh three five point fifty one eight eight eight five

567
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Speaker 2: point fifty two, five fifty and lead off with Dan

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Speaker 2: and Eerie. What do you got for us? Dan?

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I just thought i'd get your feelings about

570
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Speaker 5: Justin Shorter, a guy that they drafted in the fifth

571
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Speaker 5: round last year. I guess he was obviously hurt all

572
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 5: last year, but they say he's got a world of

573
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Speaker 5: potential that might you know, if he really pans out,

574
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Speaker 5: that might be one last wide receiver that they'd have

575
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Speaker 5: to take in the draft and they could address that

576
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Speaker 5: draft pick maybe with the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that, Yeah, I get it, Dan. They

578
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: drafted him in the fifth round last spring, and he

579
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: certainly brings a much needed size component to the receiving

580
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: corps because if Gabe Davis is not back, you don't

581
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: have anybody six to two or taller in the receiving

582
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Speaker 2: corps except for Justin Shorter, so he would bring a

583
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: welcome dose of size there. Now, there are other tall

584
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: players that were on the practice squad too, like Tyrrell Shavers.

585
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: But my point is, you know you've got a size

586
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: player in Shorter. I don't know if they feel comfortable

587
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: in knowing what else they have in him because their

588
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: only exposure to him in a game setting is the preseason,

589
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: you know, and he had some production there. Our MSG

590
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: viewers are watching the touchdown he scored it late against

591
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh in the preseason back in August, but beyond that,

592
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: they really didn't get a chance to look at him

593
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: in the daily and weakly grind of the practice setting

594
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Speaker 2: because he was on injured reserve for the majority of

595
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: the season. So that doesn't lend itself to knowing enough

596
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: about him where they they're at a point where they say, oh,

597
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: you know what, this guy's going to likely be our

598
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: number four, number five guy next year. Lock it up.

599
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: They don't know that because they haven't seen enough of

600
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: him in the NFL setting to make that determination. So

601
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Speaker 2: I think they're happy to have him on the roster,

602
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: but I don't think he answers any of the questions

603
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: they have at their receiver position yet, because there hasn't

604
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: been enough time on the job for them to observe

605
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: him and make an accurate evaluation as to just how

606
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: much he can help.

607
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to know what the Bill's coaching staff

608
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: thinks about him, but I'll say one thing that's obvious.

609
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: They've got some hope in him because they kept him

610
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Speaker 1: around all year. He had a hamstring injury. I said

611
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Speaker 1: it on the show just after the start of the

612
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: season we started talking about these guys. The worst hamstring

613
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: injury I've ever heard of was a four weeknd injury,

614
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and they he was on IR for four months. Now.

615
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: He might have reinjured it all that, maybe, but he

616
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: is a big receiver. He catches the ball extremely well.

617
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Speaker 1: But he obviously has a lot he's got to work

618
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Speaker 1: on with route running, getting open, maybe feel for the game,

619
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Speaker 1: maybe the playbook. We don't know. Best case scenario is

620
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Speaker 1: they hit him and all of a sudden he blossoms

621
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Speaker 1: and Presto Chang Joh he's a big time number one receiver.

622
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Speaker 1: Who knows. I kind of doubt that, but he does.

623
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Speaker 1: You're right, Dan, he the Bills. I think it's obvious

624
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Speaker 1: they have hope that he is going to develop into something.

625
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Speaker 2: I don't think they're hitching their wagon to that, though,

626
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: is my point, because they just don't know.

627
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Speaker 1: We would know more.

628
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Speaker 2: They don't know any They don't know much more about

629
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Speaker 2: him than they don't do anyone any of the draft prospects,

630
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they know something about

631
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Speaker 2: him because he's been in the building.

632
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Speaker 1: They know, they know what he's got between his ears

633
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Speaker 1: and you know, and they know his motivation and I

634
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: know his personality and you know, he's part of the

635
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: family here now. But yes, they as far as being

636
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: a player, they've they've certainly got a list of specific

637
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Speaker 1: things they need him to do better.

638
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Speaker 2: Now, let's go to Bert in Lockport next.

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Speaker 6: What's up Bert, Hi, guys, first time caller, longtime viewer.

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Speaker 6: I was my question was the same about Justin Shorter

641
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Speaker 6: because no one on the talk shows are talking about him,

642
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Speaker 6: and I know how Brandon Bean may have drafted him

643
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 6: for this year coming up, well, just like they did

644
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 6: last year when they were all talking about the middle

645
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Speaker 6: linebacker position and he had two of them in house

646
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Speaker 6: that he had already drafted. So I don't need you

647
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Speaker 6: to repeat the things that you said about Justine Shorter,

648
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Speaker 6: but that was my thought too, And maybe they could

649
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Speaker 6: draft the defensive lineman and get a wide receiver in

650
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Speaker 6: the second round. Thank you for taking you bet.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this, it could be uh it certainly

652
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: if they have more knowledge than we do, which that

653
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: you'd think they would. Whether that knowledge is good or bad,

654
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: or whether it raises doubts or confidence, we don't know.

655
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: But yes, if Justin Shorter is a guy they think,

656
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna unfurl this guy. He's gonna be great,

657
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: then they can't. Then they will bypass taking a receiver

658
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: at some point because they've got Justin Shorter and they

659
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: can put that pick or whatever towards another position. Makes

660
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: some sense. Don't know if it's ever, if it's gonna happen,

661
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: or what that scenario is, but that's a that does

662
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: seem to be to me to be a transactional thing.

663
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: If we've got this guy already, we don't need to

664
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: draft a guy like him.

665
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: Right At the same time, you can make the argument

666
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: that if this guy had potential and looked like he

667
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: could be a number one guy in a few years,

668
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: how come he couldn't get off of ir or crack

669
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: the fifty three man roster at the start, you know,

670
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: at the end of training camp in the preseason, I

671
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: know you had players on the roster that are pretty

672
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: accomplished but couldn't find a spot for him, could not

673
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: beat out Trent Sherfield or Deontay Hardy for a spot

674
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: on the roster. Now, is that going to change in

675
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: the offseason? Yeah, I mean it's probably unlikely that you know,

676
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: Sherfield is re signed. Who knows what happens with Deontay

677
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: Hardy if they have to have some cap savings, you know,

678
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: is he a victim and a cap casualty? We don't know.

679
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: So the receiver room is going to look very different

680
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: next year. I think that's pretty safe to say how

681
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: much stock they put in what Shorter can be for

682
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: them next year, Because this is not a long range thing.

683
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: You're retooling the receiver room and it has to be

684
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: better than the one you put out on the field

685
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: last year. So, yes, you expect Kinkaid to get better. Yes,

686
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: you expect Shakiir to get better, and you're hoping Diggs

687
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: can give you another one hundred catch season. But short

688
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: of that, you have nothing else. Right now, that's putting

689
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: an awful lot on Shorter a fifth round draft choice.

690
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: Have fifth round draft choices developed into number one. Yes,

691
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs is an example. It didn't happen in the

692
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: first two years, though.

693
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

694
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: I just think it's a lot to ask, And that's

695
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: why I don't think it keeps them from taking a

696
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: receiver somewhere on the first two days of the draft,

697
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: maybe more than one for all we know.

698
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: Right, Actually, you know a guy like Diggs, I mean,

699
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: he showed up in Minnesota. He got pretty good pretty fast.

700
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: Right, But there were other guys there too, right at the.

701
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Time, but he was on the field. Now you can

702
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: say that they that Shorter's injury kept him off the roster,

703
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: and then the timing of the season. Ye, at one

704
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: point this team was six and six, looking for answers,

705
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: changing offensive coordinators. You would think if Shorter had any

706
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: chance of contributing, they were going to pull the trigger

707
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: on that at that point. Now, maybe the timing was wrong,

708
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: maybe he had reinjured, maybe he wasn't ready to play,

709
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: or his window wasn't opening the right spot. And then

710
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: they start winning, and you know, they say we don't

711
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: need him, But you'd like to think if Justin Shorter

712
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: could have help this roster out, he'd have been on

713
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: the field already. So for us sitting out here on

714
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the outside of this evaluation process, yeah, you can't. I'm not.

715
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: I'm not putting too many eggs into that basket now,

716
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: but I'm not getting rid of the gum. We'll find

717
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: out they kept him for a reason. We'll see if

718
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: he can, if he can give him a justification for it.

719
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: In training camp, let's go to Christopher in Buffalo. What's up, Christopher, Yeah, yep,

720
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: you're up. What's up.

721
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 7: I'm I'm thinking you talk about draft picks for the

722
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 7: receiver lane to save us on costs and all that.

723
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 7: But you know, to get a diamond in the rough,

724
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 7: you know a lot of these guys that are at

725
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 7: a big crime in the stage. You might be able

726
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 7: to get a guy who's got a lot of hearts,

727
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 7: that wants to play ball, who has a lot of

728
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 7: talents but never got the exposure. It seems to me

729
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 7: if we could pull a guy like that off, it'd

730
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 7: be real beneficial because getting a guy who was a

731
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 7: veteran that's got so many years and maybe got one

732
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 7: year left in him doesn't hold any promise. You're in

733
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 7: the same situation for the next year, and then you're

734
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 7: looking at injuries with these guys, and I can't believe

735
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 7: all the injuries. I thought when we made it to

736
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 7: the uh we're gonna play Kansas City, I thought all

737
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 7: our guys were gonna be pretty well back. And then

738
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 7: I got the report that all these guys are hurt,

739
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 7: and it's like, it's heartbreaking.

740
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

741
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 7: And I look at Josh Allen and I gotta tell you,

742
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 7: I think he's the best quarterback in the NFL. And

743
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 7: if he was playing for San Francisco the other night,

744
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 7: I think they would have beaten the hell out of

745
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 7: Kansas City. And they don't want to give Josh any credit,

746
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 7: But I feel bad for him because I think he really,

747
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 7: they really need to pull some rabbits out of the

748
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 7: hat for him. I think he deserves it. Right with that,

749
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 7: I'll let you speak and thank you.

750
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna say, Christopher, it was interesting

751
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: because to me, you may have contradicted your own argument

752
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: a little bit because you were talking about how they

753
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: should find a diamond in the rough in the draft,

754
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: but then you said, you know, Diggs, you're hoping to

755
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: get one more super productive year out of him, But

756
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: if you don't, then where are you? Well, then you've

757
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: put all your eggs in the diamond in the rough basket.

758
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the way NFL clubs like to operate.

759
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: You draft receivers high because you believe they are more

760
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: of a sure thing than someone you take in the fourth, fifth,

761
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: or sixth round. That's why you take them up there.

762
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: Because their body of work, their character, their work ethic,

763
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, all of that stuff checks all the boxes

764
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: as being a pretty sure thing. And what the Bills

765
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: need in the draft, maybe more than they have in

766
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: the Bean McDermott era is a sure fire thing to

767
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: line up outside of the receiver position. Under the assumption,

768
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: of course, that gave Davis is too expensive to keep

769
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: on the free agent market, so this is no longer.

770
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, let's see we can get diamond in the rough, third,

771
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: fourth round. No, you got to get an answer, and

772
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: that might be somebody on a one year deal in

773
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: free agency, but you also need somebody for the long haul,

774
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: somebody who can be ready to contribute right away and

775
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: also be affordable on your cap for the next four years.

776
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: That's a draft pick, and probably a high one.

777
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Right That's the key thing. The guys at the top

778
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: of the draft, even all the way down into the

779
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: lower second round, are usually guys that are physically gifted

780
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: and with enough of a skill set that they can

781
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: get on the field in the NFL right away. You

782
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: expect a guy like Dalton Kincaid to be able to

783
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: come in and plug him in and get something out

784
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: of him. And certainly through the course of the season,

785
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: he did just that.

786
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 8: A guy.

787
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that the best you

788
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: could the best you could hope for in the current scenario,

789
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: is that a guy like Justin Shorter turns out and

790
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: has a second year along the lines of a Khalis

791
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: Shakir in his second year, right a big step forward.

792
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he went from okay, then all

793
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden he grew. And now coming into the

794
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: third year, how he's you know, I'll say this, I

795
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: got high expectations for Shakir. This is to be his

796
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: third year, that magical year that we always talk about

797
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: where a guy's got it together. He's now a real pro.

798
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: He has been through two seasons and he's begun to contribute.

799
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: Now he's kind of spreads his wings and becomes who

800
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: he can be. That's a Khalil Shakir to me, but

801
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: it could also be Justin Shorter on his way to that.

802
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about getting a guy and where

803
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: the bills are right now, Brownie's right. I hate to

804
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: say it, and because I've been listening to him for

805
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: like three months, He's right. You got to get a

806
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: guy that is gonna be here and be a a

807
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: stud instant contribute, instant contribute, like on the field Eric

808
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: Moles type guy. I mean, just plug him in and

809
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna be slapping guys around. That's the kind of

810
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: guy you need out there now. If you're gonna get

811
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: a guy like that, he's gonna look like it. And

812
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: that's what Brownie. When we go down through these draft picks,

813
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: one of the things we look at is size and

814
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: strength and speed. It's all physical attributes. That guy's got

815
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: to show up and be able to physically impose his

816
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: wishes for a route on a guy. And that's those guys.

817
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: While I always say, you know, wide receivers and athletes

818
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: are a lot more abundant than the big, huge dudes,

819
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: these guys are are rare. They're hard to find, and

820
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: at twenty eight in the draft, you better hope there's

821
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: like six of them if you want to get one.

822
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's six of them in this draft.

823
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: Might be yes, but if there's six of them, not

824
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: all six are going to look exactly like the way

825
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: we want them to look. That's right, you know what

826
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's what you're looking at. It is

827
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: a spot at twenty eight in the draft, twenty eighth

828
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: pick of the draft. This guy is gonna have something

829
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: that is very special about him, maybe a bunch of

830
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: stuff that's very special about him.

831
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: Got to take a break here, Butch on the east side,

832
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: Tom on the west side. We'll get to you guys

833
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: when we come back here on one Bill's Live presented

834
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, what

835
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: is your ideal scenario for how to restock the Bill's

836
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver Room eight O three ZHO five point fifty

837
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: to the phones and to Butch on the east side.

838
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: First of all, good, good afternoon, gentlemen. I'm gonna get

839
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: right to the point. But I wanted this little intro

840
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: for a minute. And it's a couple of things that

841
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: we speak in our vocabulary, which one number one is

842
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: doubt and I think, and those two words can be very,

843
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: very troubling because when we doubt something, we don't know anything.

844
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: Sometime he can cast a cloud on on on the

845
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: conversation or the individual that we speaking of. So I

846
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: rather use the word x X means unknown on that category.

847
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: And the reason why I say that is and I

848
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: gotta see this is Steve and I love you. Steve

849
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: uh a good family friend years ago was at Saint

850
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: Francis High School. His name was Delano for board. He

851
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: used to throw the looke tasker all day long, and

852
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: both of them made each other and they had to

853
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: help of a high school career. Luke and him going

854
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: to Cornell uh and and and Dlania going to UB

855
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: and they changed his position, Luke going to CFL had

856
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: a good career. I followed Luke, and I love Luke

857
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: and Delano same way.

858
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: I know exactly who you talked. Delano was a really

859
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: good player.

860
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: Good player. But the thing about my point on that seat,

861
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: And by the way, for Boar family always loved to

862
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: ask her for me.

863
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I want to let you know that and vice versa. Yeah,

864
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: we we have nothing but love for the for Boar family, love.

865
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 3: Them thank you. I definitely have passed that on Steve.

866
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: But the reason I brought that up is I brought

867
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: up the word dreams like Corey Grant had dreams, like

868
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: Isam McGuffey had dreams coming out the East side of

869
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: Buffalo that's doing well in the NFL. I don't like

870
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: looking at the word of we got to have you

871
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: got to you got to have this name, or you

872
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: have to have uh this college to go ahead and

873
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: be successful in NFL. It doesn't you need an opportunity?

874
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: And I watched the Super Bowl this past this past Sunday,

875
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: and I watched a quarterback didn't have any receivers. He

876
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: had basically one tight end, one running back, and then

877
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: the game winner went to a receiver that he didn't

878
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: really throw to all games. My thing is this what

879
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: we have on our team that a lot of teams

880
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 3: don't have, is we got the guy who can make

881
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: a receiver a household name. Instead of having a videocre quarterback,

882
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: to have a superstar wide receiver that make their names.

883
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: See for example, like a like a like a CD Lamb.

884
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: CD Lamb will make a Dak Prescott, Dak Prescott. You

885
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 3: know he might make a CD in it, but Cede

886
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: Lamb makes him look good. My thing is this and

887
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be off this phone, and I appreciate the time,

888
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: and I appreciate taking my call. Is that this twenty

889
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: eighth pick that we had personally, it's just me personally,

890
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: just my opinion with all the holes. I want him

891
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: to trade back and get more picks. I believe we

892
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: can pick up a couple receivers to go along with

893
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: the Cheers, to go along with the Hardys, Justin Schultez

894
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: to Terrell Shavers because we have a quarterback that can

895
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: stay instead of all these years playing the long game

896
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: when he took he's been here. He can start playing

897
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: a short game, just like just like Patsing Mahome played

898
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl and just be possessive type until

899
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: these receivers become comfortable. All you need is confidence and

900
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: that's it. Gentlemen, I thank you so much for taking

901
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: my call. I love MSG, I love WMGL, I love

902
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: all the fans, and thank you again.

903
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: They've been kind of having the short passing game in

904
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: the last two years, Butch that's kind of what their

905
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: offense has been because all these teams playing a cover

906
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: two shell. Why Because they don't have anybody who can

907
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: stretch the field effectively. Nobody threatens them vertically. They need

908
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: a field stretcher and they need an alpha male who's

909
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: open even when he's not open. So in my world,

910
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm drafting two guys right probably on the first two

911
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: days of the draft.

912
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Browni's all on that wide receiver team. And I've explored that,

913
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: and we've talked about the possibility and the philosophy that's

914
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: different than the one we're talking about, the one that

915
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. The one and to

916
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: your point, Ben Roethlisberger made a lot of guys a

917
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: lot of money at wide receiver, and when they went

918
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: other places, they were not as good because Ben could

919
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: really sling it. And you're asking the Bills, why not

920
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: do that with Josh? Why not let Josh elevate whoever

921
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: you've got. You know, he's gonna be able to sling

922
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: the ball, he's gonna make plays and do all that.

923
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: Get guys who can you're just athletes, and let him

924
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: go out there. Okay, but and trade back, you know,

925
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: get more assets, get guy and start building, you know,

926
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: put it on the defensive side. Make a strong deal,

927
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: whatever you want to, whatever you want to do with

928
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: the extra assets, depend on Josh to elevate the offense,

929
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: let him carry the offense, and do what you can

930
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: with with everything else.

931
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: That hasn't worked.

932
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hasn't worked.

933
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: Can't get over all the chiefs.

934
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: But I am. I am kind of with Brownie on this.

935
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: They've they've explored that, and certainly you can't make something

936
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: that you don't have the opportunity to make happen. If

937
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: they can't if there's not a guy in the draft

938
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: that is going to be that guy for them, they

939
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: can't conjure one up out of thin air. And they

940
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have the money to go out and

941
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: buy one, so then they may be forced to do

942
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: what you're asking to do. Butch, but I let me

943
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: just say this, I'm I'm not trading out of the

944
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: twenty eighth pick because you're not gonna get enough to

945
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: make it worth it, I don't think, And there won't

946
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: be a it's not a that deep a draft. Deep

947
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: as a the draft may be is not going to

948
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: be as deep as being able to get a bunch

949
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: of difference makers in the third day. So I get

950
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: the philosophy, and Josh can do that. But I don't

951
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: know that Josh is the kind of thrower that would

952
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: make you know, a Miss America out of Phyllis Diller.

953
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: And that's a I'm dating my so you know Philadelphia.

954
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm familiar. Not gonna make Josh. Ain't gonna

955
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: make Miss America out of Phyllis Diller.

956
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: Look, I respect what you're saying, but I love Josh Allen.

957
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: I think he does make players around him better, but

958
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: not better enough to get over on the Chiefs. So

959
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: what you got to do is help your franchise quarterback

960
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: and get him better weapons so he doesn't have to

961
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: make that heavy lift every time he steps on the field,

962
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: because you're playing against arguably the best quarterback of this

963
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: generation and the best decision maker of this generation. So

964
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: if your guy can't beat him straight up with comper

965
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: talent at the receiver position as the Chiefs have, or

966
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: maybe even better talent as you saw it, that talent's

967
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: got to get even better if you want to get

968
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: over on that guy. And they've already loaded up on

969
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: defensive draft picks a year after year after year after year,

970
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: saying all right, let's load up the defense to stop

971
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, and our guy will be good enough on

972
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: offense to score enough points and beat the Chiefs. That

973
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: hasn't worked either, So I am more convinced than ever.

974
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: Get the weapons, help your franchise guy, and just flat

975
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: out outscore that dude, because that's the only way you're

976
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 2: getting over these days.

977
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, is we're gonna break we can

978
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: get under this effort. I'm whatever philosophy that Bills have

979
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: used to get to this point, I'm not gonna change it.

980
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: They're getting the best players they can possibly get and

981
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: building the best team they possibly can because they've got

982
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: to beat the best guys out there every year they're

983
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: in that conference. They're in this AFC conference. It's the

984
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: best conference, it's the toughest schedule. The Bills are getting

985
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: the toughest schedule. They're always at the top of the list,

986
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: they're always at the bottom of the draft. Whatever philosophy

987
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: they have used to get here, they're not going to

988
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: flip flop it. But they do have some things that

989
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: have changed on their roster this year. They're going to

990
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: force them to bolster some spots on their roster. That

991
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: they haven't had before. That's the problem. Their philosophy is

992
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: not going to change. They're you get the best possible

993
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: players they can at whatever positions when the draft comes around.

994
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: The problem, the challenge is they got to make themselves

995
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: free enough to fill in the holes before they get there.

996
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. Coming up our number two

997
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: from Yahoo Sports and from Reception Perception, Matt Harmon joins

998
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 2: us as we continue this receiver conversation. Next stay tuned

999
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: This one Bills Live presented by Calllida Health. All right,

1000
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: motoring into hour number two, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker, do

1001
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: you please to be joined now by a football analyst,

1002
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: Fantasy football analyst from Yahoo Sports and also the creator

1003
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: of the Reception Perception one. Matt Harmon joining us fresh

1004
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: off of his Super Bowl weekend Las Vegas, where he

1005
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: talked to Stefan Digs, among others out there on his program. Matt,

1006
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us because we want to dive headlong

1007
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: into Buffalo's receiver situation here in the off season. But

1008
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: I guess my first question to you, I know you

1009
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: have a good rapport with Stefan, you know, and he's

1010
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: obviously pitching his stuff but you got him on there,

1011
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: and what would you say was your biggest takeaway from

1012
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: your conversation with him last week?

1013
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 9: You know, you're right, I've known Stefan for years, We've

1014
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 9: done shows together, we you know, we've spoken many times

1015
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 9: over the years, so you have a great rapport with him,

1016
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 9: you know, based on really first time we met was

1017
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 9: was actually talking about reception perception with him. So he's

1018
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 9: been aware of the methodology's affinity for him for quite

1019
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 9: some time and we've developed a good rapport because of that.

1020
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 9: I will say the one big takeaway I had talking

1021
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 9: to him was guy was in a lot better spirits

1022
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 9: this year than he was this time last year, because

1023
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 9: we actually had him on the program with Austin Eckler

1024
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 9: at the super Bowl in Phoenix, and I felt like

1025
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 9: coming out of that conversation that he was, you know

1026
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 9: again a year ago, like you know, I just wasn't

1027
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 9: quite the same I don't know, you know, vibe that

1028
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 9: I usually get from from him, And it wasn't quite

1029
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 9: the same like dynamic conversation that you're usually gonna get

1030
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 9: out of Stefan Diggs when he's at you know, kind

1031
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 9: of one hundred percent or whatever. I came away from

1032
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 9: this conversation feeling like the guy for whatever reason, you know,

1033
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 9: I I have no idea, is it was in a

1034
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 9: bit of a better headspace this year than he probably

1035
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 9: was during a sixty five days ago. You know, take

1036
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 9: that for whatever it is. My uh not, my expertise

1037
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 9: is probably not an armchair psychology. But that was just

1038
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 9: one thing I felt kind of talking to him this year.

1039
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I sort of struck me about when

1040
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: I listened to the conversation. He seemed upbeat and ready

1041
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: to keep going, and he also had any kind of

1042
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: what we thought here on our show the reasons for

1043
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: his drop off in production at the end of the season.

1044
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: There was no simple answer. There was a ton of it,

1045
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: like he was being a good teammate, it was a

1046
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator. There's a lot of stuff going on.

1047
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: Is that what you kind of took away from that

1048
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: conversation as well?

1049
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, because of the format of the show

1050
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 9: that we were doing there in Vegas, we kind of

1051
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 9: had like a game a fied effect to it.

1052
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 8: You guys saw it.

1053
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 9: If people can find the video on YouTube as well,

1054
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 9: it was what's in the cards?

1055
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 8: You know, you get an easy question.

1056
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 9: If you get the get you answer the card game right,

1057
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 9: you get a hard question if you answer it wrong.

1058
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 9: We're getting there towards the end of the interview, and

1059
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 9: he's gotten himself a lot of easy question because he

1060
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 9: keeps guessing correctly. And I'm like, dang it, we got

1061
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 9: to get some hard questions in here for Stefan Diggs.

1062
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 9: So luckily, right there towards the end, I was able

1063
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 9: to ask him about why did he feel like his

1064
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 9: production dropped off? And I agree with you, guys, that

1065
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 9: was my first takeaway as well. Was he listed off

1066
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 9: a variety of reasons. And I often think in these

1067
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 9: situations when we have a verified, in my opinion, elite

1068
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 9: player at the position not producing up to the typical expectations,

1069
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 9: and that's the crazy things like I've seen over the

1070
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 9: course of studying receiver play for the better part of

1071
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 9: the last decade. Here, you know, you see guys come

1072
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 9: and go. Obviously, you see guys decline season overseason. I

1073
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 9: can't remember very many instances where a guy just loses

1074
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 9: it in the middle of a season where he goes

1075
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 9: from having in his words, what he thought was the

1076
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 9: probably on pace to have the best statistical season of

1077
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 9: his career. You know, he was aiming, he told me,

1078
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 9: for seventeen eighteen hundred yards this season. And he was

1079
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 9: on that trajectory right, Like he was up there with

1080
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 9: a guy like Tyreek Hill in the start of the season.

1081
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 9: For him to completely fall off in the back half,

1082
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 9: I'm with you guys that usually there's no easy explanation.

1083
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 9: There's no like one size fits all, you know, excuse

1084
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 9: or reason or whatever. And I think there was that's

1085
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 9: fitting for the season that the Bills had. You know,

1086
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 9: they change offensive coordinators, they changed really offensive philosophies really

1087
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 9: in a lot of ways in the middle of the season. So,

1088
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 9: you know, beyond anything that was going on with him individually,

1089
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 9: I think there's a lot of stuff really there that

1090
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 9: you know, like, I don't think Joe Brady came into

1091
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 9: getting the offensive coordinator job and the first thing he

1092
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 9: said is, all right, I gotta get Stefan Diggs out

1093
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 9: of this offense. You know, I gotta start scheming him

1094
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 9: out of the offense or anything like that. That's not

1095
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 9: what any good coach would do. But I think they

1096
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 9: really tried to commit to the running game, and I

1097
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 9: think that was a successful thing. It was one of

1098
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 9: the first things that Dig said is that you know,

1099
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 9: we were running the ball really well, and obviously, like

1100
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 9: you guys said, he's trying to be a good teammate

1101
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 9: and fall in line with that.

1102
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: All right, So let's spin it forward to the offseason

1103
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: to do list for Brandon Bean because he's going to

1104
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: probably have to restock this receiving you know, in multiple ways,

1105
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: not just one way. As we know most gms have

1106
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: to look to all avenues to add to the room.

1107
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: And we know that Trent Sherfield is a free agent,

1108
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: did not really pan out all that well in the

1109
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: one year that he was here, really had trouble finding

1110
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: his way onto the field. Gabe Davis is a free

1111
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: agent who, despite the fact that he had seven games

1112
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: this season with one reception or less, is probably going

1113
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: to command a price on the free agent market that

1114
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: the Bills, with their cap situation, probably cannot afford. So

1115
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: with all that in mind, the general consensus here is

1116
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna need cheap labor with their prohibitive cap situation.

1117
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna become cap compliant before they get

1118
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: to March thirteenth. But then I canna be able to

1119
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: swing big in the free agent market. Maybe you get

1120
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: a Kendrick Borne type for five or six million a year,

1121
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: but beyond that, you know you're not looking at anybody

1122
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: more important than that. So we're kind of thinking you

1123
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: got to get at least two in the draft here,

1124
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: and it's a good year for receiver talent, but you

1125
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: may have to get those two before you're out of

1126
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: the fourth round.

1127
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that the Bills when they've had Stefan

1128
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 9: Diggs there, And I don't blame them for this because,

1129
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 9: like I said, in my opinion, Diggs has been top

1130
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 9: five receiver since he's played. I thought he was a

1131
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 9: top five receiver in the league before he got to Buffalo,

1132
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 9: and he's definitely played and produced up to the level

1133
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 9: of a top five receiver when he's been a member

1134
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 9: of the Buffalo Bill. So I don't blame them for

1135
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 9: sort of trying to piece things together around him. I think,

1136
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 9: just even regardless of the way his season ended from

1137
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 9: a production standpoint, I think you're at a point in

1138
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 9: his career, and I think you're at a point in

1139
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 9: where the offense is right now where you can't really

1140
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 9: band aid things around him anymore. I think you have

1141
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 9: to start really throwing resources at that second and third

1142
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 9: receiver spot.

1143
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: Now.

1144
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 9: For me, for my money, I really do like Khalil Shakir.

1145
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 9: I think he's a building block player for them. I

1146
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 9: was a fan of his coming into the league when

1147
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 9: he was playing at Poise State. I really like the

1148
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 9: way he functions as a route runner against man end

1149
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 9: zone coverage. I like his contact balance after the catch.

1150
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 8: I think you could see even more of him going

1151
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 8: forward in that area.

1152
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 9: You know, that's a guy that I think you can

1153
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 9: you can rely on to be potentially your third receiver,

1154
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 9: maybe even if you take more of a developmental rookie,

1155
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 9: he can be your second most targeted wide receiver after Digs.

1156
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 9: You know, again, provided that Diggs is on the roster,

1157
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 9: I expect him to be on the roster.

1158
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 8: That that's my view of it.

1159
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 9: But you know, again, I think he was a guy

1160
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 9: that's sort of opened to anything because the Bills have

1161
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 9: a really tough cap situation and there's all that kind

1162
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 9: of smoke in the media, so existing in that world

1163
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 9: right now where Diggs is on the roster, I think

1164
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 9: Shakir's a guy that can be your second or third receiver.

1165
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 9: But I'm with you, guys that you're not gonna be

1166
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 9: able to go out there and get a big free

1167
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 9: agent like, regardless of their cap situation. Number one or

1168
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 9: really even like high high quality number two receivers don't

1169
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 9: hit the open market very often. I mean, you're looking

1170
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 9: at guys like Christian Kirk, You're looking at guys like

1171
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 9: Jacoby Myers, two guys I think that are very good players,

1172
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 9: and two guys frankly that would have helped the Buffalo

1173
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 9: Bills the last couple of years.

1174
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 8: But you're not going to get somebody, you know.

1175
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 9: That's like, I don't realistically think a Mike Evans is

1176
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 9: hitting the roster, a Michael pan is hitting the open market,

1177
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 9: hitting T Higgins. I don't think these guys are hitting

1178
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 9: the open market necessarily. So you got to look to

1179
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 9: the draft, and I think that might require them to

1180
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 9: be aggressive in a trade up situation. This is a

1181
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 9: great receiver class from what I've looked at so far,

1182
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 9: A consensus view is it's a great receiver class, so

1183
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 9: this is the year to do it. But I'm with you,

1184
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 9: it might take two chops, two bites at the apple.

1185
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 9: They are depending on how they view Shakir. Like I said,

1186
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 9: I'm a fan. I think they can be. That's a

1187
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 9: guy they can build around, but they definitely need someone

1188
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 9: to play on the outside, someone to really be a

1189
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 9: true separator, which I think was probably the weakness in

1190
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 9: Gabe Davis's game the last couple of seasons.

1191
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm looking at, there's like seventy

1192
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: five guys, you know, seventy five free agents on a list,

1193
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, for wide receiver and lee and they go

1194
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 1: from Gabe Davis and Mike Evans all the way down through.

1195
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I look at when

1196
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: you see these and they're all different ages, and they

1197
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: all got these different attributes. Some of them had good seasons,

1198
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: some of them didn't play an all seventeen games some

1199
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: of them. You know, one of the things I look

1200
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: at is snap count, you know, so you get a

1201
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: guy like Mike Kevy, He's got like eight hundred snaps,

1202
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: and I think Gave Davis may lead this entire free

1203
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: agent market with over nine hundred snaps on offense. A

1204
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: guy who plays a lot means there's a lot of

1205
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: trust in him with that coaching staff that he's on

1206
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: and whether they're productive or not. Gave Davis fall kind

1207
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: of into that thing. The coaches put him on the

1208
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: field all the time, and that says a lot about

1209
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: where these free agents are so regardless of their production

1210
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: or what they look like, snaps on the field or

1211
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: one of the things I look at as being one

1212
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: of the ways that you get what that guy's like

1213
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: off the field because they put him on the field

1214
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: because they trust him.

1215
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 8: One hundred percent.

1216
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 9: And it gave Davis is a good player to mention

1217
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 9: there because you know, like you said, there were times

1218
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 9: that he was completely uninvolved from a production standpoint. Now,

1219
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 9: production doesn't tell the whole story of what a wide

1220
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 9: receiver is doing, of course, even when we're just talking

1221
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 9: about like running routes and getting open. But from a

1222
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 9: blocking standpoint, that gave Davis was a huge asset as

1223
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 9: a guy that they could stick on the line of

1224
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 9: scrimmage as an X receiver to set the tone as

1225
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 9: a blocker, and especially when they're running the ball really

1226
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 9: well in the second half of the season, you know,

1227
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 9: gave us a big function of that. So that is

1228
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 9: definitely something that they'll have to push and pull when if.

1229
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 8: They do lose.

1230
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 9: Gave Davis and they replace him with a rookie wide

1231
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 9: receiver or you know, maybe someone that they think is

1232
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 9: going to give them some more consistent separation. Are you

1233
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 9: losing something there from a reliability from a run blocking

1234
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 9: standpoint When you became a better rushing team in the

1235
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 9: second half of last season, that will be the push

1236
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 9: and pull of that kind of equation there.

1237
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, as I see it, you kind

1238
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: of need that alpha male early, a guy that can

1239
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: grow into the number one role maybe a year from now,

1240
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: you know, maybe going into the twenty five season, the

1241
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: guy's ready to take the number one mantle from a

1242
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: Steph Diggs. And then secondarily you need a field stretcher.

1243
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the second guy that they should probably

1244
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: get so they can try to pull some of these

1245
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: defenses out of that cover two shell that they see

1246
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: every week. So that's why I'm kind of a proponent

1247
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: of getting two in the draft. My question to you, though,

1248
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: Matt is winning against man. Coverage and catch rate are

1249
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: two things that have not been in plentiful supply at

1250
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: the receiver position on this roster. Now, obviously Shakir helped

1251
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: immeasurably in the catch rate area, but in terms of winning,

1252
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, and getting consistent separation. As you already mentioned,

1253
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: Gave Davis struggled in that area. Some of the other

1254
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: receivers on this roster struggled in that area, Sherfield being

1255
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: one of them, Hardy being another who they lined up

1256
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: outside and at five foot six, I thought that was

1257
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: a big ask for him. But maybe just tell me

1258
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: where you kind of come down on that and what

1259
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: is if there is any translation, because I'm tapping into

1260
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: your reception perception knowledge here, but catch rate and separation rate, like,

1261
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: how do they translate to production on the whole at

1262
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: that position.

1263
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, we've found that a success rate verse man coverage,

1264
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 9: which is the main metric along with success rate for

1265
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 9: zone and press and a variety of other things that

1266
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 9: I track that I've been tracking with reception perception over

1267
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 9: the last ten years since twenty fourteen, so ten years

1268
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 9: worth of data essentially there. That success rate versus man

1269
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 9: is one of the biggest predictors of production, of future

1270
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 9: production when we're looking at guys that come into the

1271
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 9: league in their first and second season. These guys that

1272
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 9: show early on that they can beat man coverage and

1273
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 9: are going to line up as outside receivers. Those are

1274
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 9: typically the players that go on to become the stars

1275
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 9: of today and tomorrow, or at least very high quality,

1276
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 9: productive players. There's been a few guys throughout you know

1277
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 9: again reception perception history since twenty fourteen that beat man

1278
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 9: coverage at a high rate that don't go on to

1279
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 9: succeed in the NFL. But the guys that are completely

1280
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 9: busted out are very few and far in between. We're

1281
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 9: talking about like maybe Anthony Miller, he was the guy

1282
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 9: that I really liked as a man coverage beater back

1283
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 9: in the twenty eighteen NFL draft class, that he never

1284
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 9: really panned out into being a successful player. But like

1285
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 9: on the lower end of it, you're looking at guys

1286
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 9: like Okay Sterling Shepard, a guy that was a reliable

1287
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 9: player for a long time but couldn't stay healthy. That's

1288
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 9: like what we're talking about in terms of guys who

1289
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 9: aren't stars but are solid NFL players. So that if

1290
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Speaker 9: you're gonna be an outside receiver, I do think the

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Speaker 9: ability to beat man coverage is the most important trait. However,

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Speaker 9: if you're gonna be one of these off ball flanker

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Speaker 9: receivers or certainly you're gonna be a slot receiver. Our

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Speaker 9: research also shows and there is a if people are interested,

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Speaker 9: there's an article on reception perception dot com done by

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Speaker 9: Josh Scott, who is a data scientist in his day job,

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Speaker 9: kind of showing the correlations here between where receivers line

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Speaker 9: up and the coverages that are more important for them

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Speaker 9: to beat. If you're gonna be that slot receiver, it's

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 9: more important for you to beat zone coverage. Not that

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Speaker 9: as an outside receiver it's not important for you to

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Speaker 9: beat zone coverage, but just where these guys line up,

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01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 9: the different coverages they are going to face. That kind

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01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 9: of is the catch all thing there, but yeah, it is.

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Speaker 9: It is a very good predictor of future production.

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Speaker 8: And that goes for.

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Speaker 9: Guys that show at the college level that they can

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Speaker 9: separate against man coverage too. You know that again not

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Speaker 9: as clean as once you get them in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: That's the best place to test these guys. That's the

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Speaker 9: best reception perception data you are going to get. But regardless, again,

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Speaker 9: if you can beat man coverage, in my opinion, that

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Speaker 9: that's a really good sign for who you're gonna be

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Speaker 9: as a player down the line.

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Speaker 1: Have you done any stuff on the draft class coming out,

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Speaker 1: and if you have, how deep is it and what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts?

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So, typically I don't start my draft prep with these

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Speaker 9: guys until after I do the free agent receivers because

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Speaker 9: that's the first group I drop on Reception Perception dot

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Speaker 9: Com in March. However, this year, everybody's telling me, oh,

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Speaker 9: this is a great receiver draft class here, You're gonna

1324
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 9: love it. And I couldn't help myself, you know, as

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Speaker 9: if we didn't do enough work during the regular season,

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Speaker 9: let's start doing college receivers right away. So I have

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Speaker 9: looked at some of the top prospects in this year's class,

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Speaker 9: the top kind of four consensus guys, Marvin Harrison, Junior

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Speaker 9: Malik Neighbors, Roma Doonza, Brian Thomas, and I looked at

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Speaker 9: a few other guys there as well, Lad mcconki Keon Coleman.

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Speaker 9: Some of the names I've started working on, I man,

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Speaker 9: I think that Roma Dunza and and Neighbors and Marvin

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Speaker 9: Harrison are all worth the hype. I'm especially high on

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Speaker 9: Roma Dunsa, not that I'm not high on those other

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Speaker 9: two guys, I obviously am, but the one guy who

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Speaker 9: I didn't have as much expectations for because I've heard

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01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 9: about Marvin Harrison, you know, forever, and how exciting he

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Speaker 9: is as a prospect.

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Speaker 8: I didn't really know much about Roma Dunzey.

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Speaker 9: Didn't watch a lot of Pac twelve football, Gonna watched

1341
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 9: a lot of college football in general.

1342
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Speaker 8: I got a whole NFL to worry about, So I didn't.

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Speaker 9: Really know much about the guy I go in and

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Speaker 9: I've been just blown away by how impressive he is

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01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 9: off the line of scrimmage, how impressive he is as

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Speaker 9: a route runner in addition to what he does in

1347
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 9: the contested catch game. So those are just the guys

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Speaker 9: at the top, and I think they're really impressive. But

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Speaker 9: you know, Brian Thomas might be a good name to

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01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 9: bring up for the Bills. Is kind of a guy

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Speaker 9: that might be able to do a little bit of

1352
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 9: what we were saying, where somebody that can win vertically,

1353
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 9: but who can play outside and separate against man coverage.

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Speaker 9: I think Brian Thomas is sort of maybe not in

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Speaker 9: the same class as those top three, but somebody that

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Speaker 9: might go in that middle of first round range of

1357
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 9: Buffalo's trying to trade up. That's the type of guy

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Speaker 9: that they should be targeting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a he's a hard guy to ignore when

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Speaker 2: he leads the FBS with seventeen touchdown receptions playing in

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Speaker 2: the SEC. So, yeah, I get where you're coming from

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Speaker 2: on that. It's interesting to me because Brandon being always says, Look,

1363
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: we try to fill as many holes as we want

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Speaker 2: as we can in free agency, so we're not leaning

1365
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Speaker 2: towards positional need by the time we get to the draft,

1366
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Speaker 2: because that can lead to problems and reaches and all

1367
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Speaker 2: of those kinds of things. I just think they're at

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Speaker 2: a point now where there has to be a youth

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Speaker 2: movement on this roster, and not just at receiver all

1370
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: over the place, but at receiver too because it's an

1371
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Speaker 2: expensive position. They need cheap labor there, which is why

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Speaker 2: I think when all is said and done, they may

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: add one veteran free agency at an affordable price, but

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Speaker 2: when it's all said and done, they probably have to

1375
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: add two and they have ten draft picks to work

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Speaker 2: with here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think they might end up adding to there

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01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 9: are free agents though, like Kendrick Bourne you mentioned is

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Speaker 9: a really nice name. I've always been a big fan

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Speaker 9: of Curtis sam and he has some ties to Carolina.

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Speaker 9: We know that this coaching staff in front office has

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01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 9: ties to Carolina as well. I'm not sure how far

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Speaker 9: back those connective tissues go. I think they're probably some

1384
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 9: overlap there, but again, he's a guy that's played in Carolina.

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Speaker 9: There's some familiarity there, and like Steve to your point

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01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 9: about being on the field and reliability, that's not necessarily

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Speaker 9: Curtis Samuel's strength. He's been a guy who's dealt with

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Speaker 9: injuries at times, but he can do a little bit

1389
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 9: of the vertical speed stuff where he can also be

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Speaker 9: a guy that can win sort of in designed ways.

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Speaker 9: There might be a little bit overlap with Shakir there,

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Speaker 9: but I think there's more to Curtis Samuel's game in

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Speaker 9: terms of being the ability to beat man coverage on

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Speaker 9: the outside. I've always been a big fan of him

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 9: in that way. So maybe you add like a veteran

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01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 9: sort of discount guy, Like we're not shooting at the

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Speaker 9: top of the market here for Buffalo.

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Speaker 8: I'm with you.

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Speaker 9: I think they need some cheaper guys there, but maybe

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Speaker 9: a Samuel or Kendrick Bourne. I mean, even like a

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Speaker 9: Josh Reynolds type. Maybe not a superstar gonna knock your

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 9: socks off type, but then you maybe make one or

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01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 9: two bigger moves in the draft to go along with

1404
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 9: hopeful development from Dalton Kincaid, and then we're talking about

1405
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 9: an offense that can hurt you in a variety of

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01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 9: different ways.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Matt, appreciate thanks for taking some time. It's

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01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: good to get cross passed with you. I hope we

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Speaker 1: can do it again.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely. I always love talking about this receiver corp in particular.

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 9: Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Mat. That's Matt Harmon from Yahoo Sports.

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Speaker 2: And from reception perception, you want to talk about somebody

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: that slices up the receiver position eight ways to Sunday,

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 2: Matt and the crew over there at Reception Perception do that,

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01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: and as you heard him say, they'll chop up all

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01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 2: of the free agent receivers first and then after that

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01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: get onto the draft prospects in earnest, you know, as

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: they get into late March and early April. So if

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Speaker 2: you are a receiver freak and you know you're obsessed

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Speaker 2: with it, you share the same obsession as Matt Harmon.

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Speaker 2: So that's where you go, if you want to get

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Speaker 2: more on it going forward. I'm trying to I'm trying

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 2: to think Steve because I know I asked him about

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: winning against you know, separation against man coverage, and he

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01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: laid that out catch rate too. He didn't really answer

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 2: that second part of that question because it was funny.

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: I remember a couple of years ago, I think it

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 2: was Sean in a press conference leading up to the draft,

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, we we need people who can catch

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: the ball. Like it sounded so overly simplistic, but I

1432
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: think he was saying it to make a point like

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Speaker 2: he need people to catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: Dawson knock struggled with that or in his career, he's

1435
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Speaker 1: kind of gotten that uncontracted better. He's really gotten a

1436
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: lot better. Shakir came in and caught everything right away.

1437
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: Kincaid was ultra impressive when he right I mean right

1438
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 1: out of the wrapper. He comes right out of the draft.

1439
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: He comes in and he's catching everything. I told a

1440
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: lot of people this last year I thought Dalton Kincaid

1441
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: had an as impressive a training camp as any rookie

1442
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: receiving threat I've ever seen. He was on he caught

1443
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: the ball was open, had a great feel for getting open,

1444
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: uh separating, you know, and I couldn't I of course

1445
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: couldn't speak to where whether he ran the right right

1446
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: route or the wrong router, used the right technique. But

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: the guy was getting the ball in training camp, was

1448
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: catching it every catching everything. So I'm I'm kind of

1449
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: with you. I just catching the ball is It sounds

1450
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: so simple? But at times, I mean, we Gabe struggle

1451
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: with it and continued to struggle with it, and I

1452
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: it's how he frames the ball when it comes in,

1453
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: with his hand position and all of that. It's just

1454
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: doesn't seem natural for him. And then you see him

1455
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: have you know, four four touchdown game against the Kansasy Chiefs.

1456
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, what are you gonna do?

1457
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: How are you gonna keep that guy off the field.

1458
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: I think it's something that is whenever you have problems,

1459
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: which is what this team did a couple of years ago,

1460
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: not so much this year. Although you know it drops

1461
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: they happen to every football team. It bubbles to the

1462
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: surface and you feel like it becomes higher priority.

1463
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 2: And become one in last year's draft.

1464
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,839
Speaker 1: It becomes something that you all of a sudden becomes

1465
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: a gotta have characteristic consider Yeah, it's pretty good and

1466
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: it's acceptable level. I think in this day and age,

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: I think that's becoming more and more. And I think,

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: particularly with Josh's quarterback too, there's something to be said

1469
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: for that. You gotta have a guy that can catch.

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Speaker 2: Let's squeeze a phone call in here before the break

1471
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 2: time on the west side has been waiting patiently what

1472
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: he got for his Tom.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, Brownie, Steve, how you doing good?

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01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 10: Good?

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 4: I don't like to ask that question because there was

1476
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 4: a guy in Buffalo famous down the right, well, he

1477
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 4: thought he was famous. He's known on the radio, and

1478
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 4: he would hang up on you. But anyway, I got

1479
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 4: two points. Uh, piggyback on Butcher a little bit. The

1480
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 4: receivers I've seen. I've seen Thomas from LSU slide to

1481
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 4: Buffalo and the mock drafts, and then I've also seen

1482
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 4: Franklin from Oregon move back to US because because Thomas

1483
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 4: is like a top fifteen and Franklin is like a

1484
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 4: top third mid thirties around. So would Franklin be a

1485
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 4: reach if we took him in the first round, because

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01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be there in the

1487
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 4: second round. So at that point I would maybe take

1488
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle. I think if the Bills are going

1489
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 4: to move up in the draft, they're gonna move up back.

1490
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 4: They're going to move up in the later rounds. And

1491
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: a question about quarterback. Everybody keeps talking about Mahomes. Do

1492
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 4: you think Reid made Mahomes or did Holmes make read

1493
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 4: because we passed on Mahomes. He was our picking the

1494
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 4: draft and we ended up with Josh Allen, who I love,

1495
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'd rather have Allen than Mahomes. I think

1496
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 4: he's a better person. And then on top of that,

1497
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 4: with Pittsburgh giving up Trubisky, do you think the Bills

1498
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 4: would bring him back to the roster to be either

1499
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 4: the second or third stringer? And I know Kyle Allen

1500
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 4: and Josh Allen are best friends, but could could they

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 4: bring all three of them into the room together? Yeah,

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 4: if you got to go to break, if you got

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 4: to go to break, I would love to love for

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01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 4: you to comment on all that.

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01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do that. Lots of unpack there, Tom, Thanks

1506
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 2: for the call for the receiver prospect. Brian Thomas is

1507
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: considered a better overall prospect on the whole by just

1508
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: about everybody than Franklin, So I think he is less

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 2: likely to be there at twenty eight for the Bills.

1510
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: I think Franklin is more likely. Whether he is a

1511
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: reach or not differs by team because everybody has a

1512
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,879
Speaker 2: different grade and report on Franklin and every other prospect

1513
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: in the draft, and what a player who might be

1514
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: a fit for Buffalo may not be a fit for

1515
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: the Jets or the Steelers or some other team, and

1516
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: so they're going to be graded accordingly. If they're not

1517
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 2: a fit for us, I'm moving them down the board.

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01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: We'll take him a little bit later, even though they

1519
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: might not be ideal. But we're not using the twenty

1520
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: eighth pick on that guy because he doesn't fit everything

1521
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: that we want him to do. That's why the grades

1522
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: vary so much in the draft. As for the quarterback thing,

1523
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: I think Trubisky has a chance to be back at

1524
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: an affordable price, but.

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: Certainly Hit Josh and Trubisky were really close when Trubisky

1526
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: was here. I think joshuad welcome it to have Kyle

1527
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: Allen and Trubisky in the room with him. Trubisky's experience

1528
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: would certainly lend something to it, and his physical attributes

1529
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: as well.

1530
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: Probably not carrying three on the active roster right.

1531
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 1: But he could be in the you know, practice squad

1532
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: or you know, is the emergency quarterback or whatever he's

1533
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: be in the building now. Secondly, does Mahomes make Andy

1534
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: Reid or does Andy Reid make Mahomes? You know the

1535
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: answer to that is yes, they both. They both make

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01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: each other better. I don't know that Mahomes would have

1537
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: had the career he's had with Buffalo, and I don't

1538
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: think that Buffalo would be the team that went to

1539
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: six straight AFC Championship games like the Chiefs have done.

1540
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: I you can have that debate, That's what sports is

1541
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: all about. You can have that debate until forever. But

1542
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: I know this too, I'm with you. I love the

1543
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: guy the Bills have. I think he's as dangerous a

1544
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: weapon as there is in the National Football League, bar

1545
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: none better than more dangerous than anybody in the league.

1546
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, you got to be happy you've

1547
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: got him. He's the reason this. As long as he's

1548
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: taken snaps, the window never closes for Buffalo.

1549
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of with I think the short answer

1550
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: on Kansas city is Reid and Mahomes are a winning combination.

1551
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've think hel Kelsey into that as well.

1552
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, best tight end in a generation maybe ever.

1553
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing is keeping those guys from

1554
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: going to another decade perhaps might be Andy Reid's eight.

1555
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's sixty five. We got to take a break here.

1556
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: When we come back, more of your phone calls as

1557
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: we are, asking you what is your ideal scenario to

1558
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: restock Buffalo's receiver room this off season? And let us

1559
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: know at aight oh three oh five fifty will crack

1560
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: open the tweets sheet when we return here on one,

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01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 2: Bill's Live presented by co Lot of Health, It's Buffalo

1562
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 2: Bills Radio. All right back here, I want to Bill's

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01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 2: Live on a Tuesday. Chris Brownstein tasked me with you

1564
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: back to the phoness we go into Elliott in Rochester.

1565
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:38,839
Speaker 2: What's up Elliott?

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01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 11: Hey, Chris and Steve.

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01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 12: I was just looking at this interesting statistic here and

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01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 12: I think it would surprise both of you and all

1569
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 12: the listeners. The Kansas City Chiefs finished dead last in

1570
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 12: the league in completed area yards per completion, which I

1571
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 12: think that speaks to you know what, Andy Reid is

1572
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 12: scheming up there. They do a lot of short pass

1573
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 12: places to Travis Kelcey and their other weapons. They run

1574
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 12: the ball effectively with Pacheco. Now, I bring this up

1575
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 12: because when I think of, you know, two years back,

1576
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 12: two seasons ago, Dorisey's offense seemed very vertical and the

1577
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 12: Bills weren't always executing. And then when Brady took over,

1578
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 12: the Bills demonstrated to be one of the most effective

1579
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 12: offenses in the league. A utilizing the weapon types that

1580
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 12: they have, the two tight ends set with Shakir and

1581
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 12: digs and Cook with Allen's running just moving, moving short plays.

1582
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 12: It all comes down to scheme. So I bring up

1583
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 12: this point to say that perhaps the best personnel to

1584
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 12: bring in it receiver is a guy with speed that

1585
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 12: can blow the top off the defense, not necessarily to

1586
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 12: open things up deep, but really to just keep the

1587
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 12: defense honest in cover three scenarios, maybe cover fours, just

1588
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 12: so we can use the weapons we have and open

1589
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 12: up the space in the hooks in the flats and

1590
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 12: just you know, really take advantage of it that way.

1591
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 12: So I'll be really interested to see what Joe Brady

1592
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 12: does in the year to come. With the offensive scheme.

1593
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 12: But I just thought you might find that interesting. Chiefs

1594
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 12: dead last and completed area arts per completion. But I

1595
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 12: just want to know your guys' thoughts on that.

1596
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: I saw a little bit of that stat They had

1597
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: the number of the little I don't know what do

1598
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you call it, a float not a float chart, but

1599
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: a little dot chart of Rock Purty in the Super

1600
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:33,480
Speaker 1: Bowl and Small Homes spreadsheet of where their touchdown passes

1601
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: were completed this year, and Purty's, you know, covered a

1602
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: large area of the field in front of the offensive

1603
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: set with each little touchdown dot. Mahomes was very close

1604
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, so a lot of his

1605
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: touchdown passes were really short, your short passes, which kind.

1606
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: Of party has very good yard after catch receivers. So

1607
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: in Samuel Ayuk, you know, et cetera, ma Homes really

1608
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: didn't right, And I get part of that short area

1609
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: passing game is because of the receiving core he had

1610
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: at his disposal, which was horrible by what it had

1611
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 2: been in previous years. And Rice came on, you know,

1612
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: second half of the season, and that helped. But that's

1613
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: the main reason why they were what they were.

1614
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: One of the things too that you said Elliott was

1615
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: kind of sounds like he needs to need a fast

1616
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: guy to take the lid off the defense to open

1617
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: things up for guys that are already here like Shakiir

1618
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: and Kinkaid and I all listen to that, particularly given

1619
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: the fact that who's going to be left on the

1620
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: draft board when you're picking twenty eighth, you may speed

1621
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: may be the number one attribute you're looking for for

1622
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: a guy, so he can just go through the middle

1623
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: of the defense. You got to cover the guy, and

1624
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: that's you know, if you're wondering why safeties will back

1625
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: way off to keep a guy from getting behind them.

1626
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: So if you get a guy that gets past everybody

1627
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: very fast, everything underneath, there's just all kinds of open

1628
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: spaces in there, and Josh can hit guys underneath, which

1629
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir, Dalton, Kinkaid, Dawson Knox, James Cook, those kind

1630
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: of guys eyes are going to be in the middle

1631
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: of the field and have more space to work. I'll

1632
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: listen to that. You got some guys on the team

1633
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: that are kind of proven, they're young, like Kincaid and Shakir,

1634
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: James Cook. I don't have a problem exploiting them. But

1635
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: I think that what you're trying to do is get

1636
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: the best guy you can and if it's a bigger, stronger,

1637
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: more alpha guy who isn't the ultra speed guy you

1638
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: want down the field, you're still going to get the

1639
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: best prospect. And then you got to incorporate that skill

1640
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: set into what you're talking about. So we'll see how

1641
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: that comes out. But I'll listen to that. Get a

1642
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: fast guy, take the lid off, and trust the guys

1643
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: that are already here.

1644
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, in an ideal world, you get your alpha male

1645
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: over here to play outside, and then you get your

1646
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: field stretcher over here and off you go. Now you

1647
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: really got something that's easier said than done. I get it,

1648
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: especially when you're picking at twenty eight. So it's going

1649
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: to be very interesting to see how Brandon Being navigates

1650
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: this offseason in terms of refortifying the receiving corps. But

1651
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: that's what they got to have. They need an alpha

1652
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 2: male over here who can take on the number one

1653
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: receiving role by twenty twenty five because now Diggs is

1654
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: a year older. And then you need a guy that

1655
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: stretches the field that forces defense to respect them vertically

1656
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 2: so there is more room underneath. To Steve's point, let's

1657
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 2: go to Gary on a sale next.

1658
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 11: What's up, Gary, Yeah, you took the words right out

1659
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 11: of my mouth. Steve. The other thing I wanted is, yeah,

1660
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 11: as far as receiver big passed, sticky hands, that's what

1661
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 11: you need and that will open up underneath. But as

1662
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 11: far as who helped who, I believe Read and his

1663
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 11: coaching staff were the key. They came up with the plays,

1664
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 11: They gave Mahomes the opportunities. And although Mahomes is great,

1665
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 11: I think he was really lucky to have a good

1666
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 11: coaching staff behind him. And I think it was really

1667
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 11: lucky when he played the Bills. He could have easily

1668
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,480
Speaker 11: lost those games. Yeah, thanks that guys.

1669
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 2: Sure thing, Gary. I mean, it's no accident that some

1670
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks in history had Hall of Fame

1671
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 2: coaches as head coaches. I mean, you can run down

1672
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 2: the list as much as you want. Joe Montana had

1673
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh, John Elway at the end of his career,

1674
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 2: had Mike Shanahan. You know, Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid,

1675
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 2: Tom Brady had Bill Belichick. I mean, all these guys

1676
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: that have won multiple Super Bowls. They've got Hall of

1677
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: Fame head coaches.

1678
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: Like Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin. I mean, yeah, Jim Kelly,

1679
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: morv Levy, Dan Foutz, Don Corriel. I mean, I'm going down.

1680
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about guys with multiple Super Bowls.

1681
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they all have Hall of Fame eight

1682
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have great head coaches and win. And I think

1683
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: it's true to say wins are not a quarterback stat,

1684
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: but head coaches and quarterbacks kind of go in tandem.

1685
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: To me, You've got to have a lot of things

1686
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: in place for a quarterback to be successful, and that

1687
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: means a head coach who can get all that done,

1688
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: do all the right things, a lot of the you

1689
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: know that you got to do in an NFL team

1690
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 1: in order for a quarterback to be successful. But even

1691
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: if all those things are in place, it's got to

1692
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: be the right guy.

1693
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. We will crack open the tweets

1694
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: sheet when we return here on One Bill's Live.

1695
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 10: Stay tune all.

1696
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 2: Right back here for one more segment on One Bill's Live.

1697
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to the tweet sheet, brought to you

1698
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

1699
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. What is your ideal scenario for atarist

1700
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: dooc the Bill's wide receiver room. Chris says, draft at

1701
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: least two studs Troy Franklin or Brian Thomas Junior in

1702
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: round one and then Javon Baker from Central Florida in

1703
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: round three and get a true number four weapon like

1704
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel. That's a lot of work. Carl says, I

1705
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: would love to see Molik neighbors, but I know that's

1706
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 2: a dream. I'd like to see a draft pick in

1707
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,879
Speaker 2: the first two rounds and maybe a Boyd or Jennings signing.

1708
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 2: Plus I'd love to see Shorter develop this year. So

1709
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: he's talking about Tyler Boyd and Juwan Jennings, who just

1710
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: played in the Super Bowl for the Niners. Nick says,

1711
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 2: draft and Alpha Dog in round one and a few

1712
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 2: others in later rounds. Is support. Hopefully we get a

1713
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: good look at Shorter this offseason. I think Josh will

1714
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 2: benefit from a big guy with a big catch radius.

1715
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. Crabster says, two wide

1716
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: receivers in the first three rounds. I'm with you, Crabster.

1717
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 2: This draft is full of wide receiver talent. Pad with

1718
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Shakir and Kincaid would be very nice. Douglas says, if

1719
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 2: we can somehow get both Troy Franklin and Montes Sweat,

1720
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 2: I think we would be in good shape. Would like

1721
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 2: to get safety James Williams and Roman Wilson two. Wow,

1722
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: that would be an embarrassment of riches. Jack says, sign

1723
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: an affordable vet like Kendrick Bourne. I'm listening. Then draft

1724
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 2: a d Mitchell in round one. Ricky Pierce all round three.

1725
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 2: May have to move up in round three to get him.

1726
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 2: Those three plus dig Shakir and Shorter could be scary.

1727
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: Let's not forget Hardy as another year. I'm not sure

1728
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 2: they're done with him yet. And then m says Curtis

1729
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 2: Samuel ad McConkie and I'm Mitchell Brian Thomas junior in

1730
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 2: a late round selection. That's a lot of work there,

1731
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 2: Big rob trade digs. Draft a wide receiver in round

1732
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: one will suck to eat dead cap. But if we

1733
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 2: hitt in round one, wide receiver will be on a

1734
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: rookie contract. I don't think you have to trade digs

1735
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 2: to do that. Find a way to keep him and

1736
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 2: have him carry the mantle first half of the season.

1737
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 2: Hopefully your alpha dog carries him in the second half.

1738
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 2: Last one from Nate, Buffalo need's receivers who can catch

1739
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: a ball in triple coverage, a receiver who can catch

1740
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: a ball seventy yards downfield in tight coverage with his

1741
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: head turned one hundred and eighty degrees and a stud

1742
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: blocking there you go, Nate go, Yeah, there's work to do.

1743
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 2: I think that's what those tweets kind of tell us.

1744
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: There's work to do. And you know, Brandon being this

1745
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: personnel staff are hard at it, and.

1746
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: There's a zillion things they're gonna change between now and

1747
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: the time of the draft, free agencies coming around, restructuring

1748
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: a cap, all of that stuff, we're gonna They're gonna

1749
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: get CAP compliant in the next couple of weeks and

1750
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: we'll see how that works and we'll see what it

1751
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: looks like.

1752
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think the receiver room is gonna

1753
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 2: look different by by a wide margin than what we

1754
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 2: saw in the room looked like last year. That's it

1755
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 2: for us today. We'll be back for more of this

1756
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff tomorrow. Let's see at one