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Speaker 1: Before we get into the nuts and bolts with respect

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Speaker 1: to some of these college prospects. The big news across

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Speaker 1: four year, one hundred forty million dollar deal. According to

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Speaker 1: to the two thousand, twenty three season because he was

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Speaker 1: Because it's all about timing in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: A thirty year old quarterback in his prime. Come on,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who's getting rid of that guy? So you

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Speaker 1: know that? To me here, you actually needed more evidence,

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Speaker 1: more evidence to indicate that people were out of their mind. No,

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Speaker 1: I did not need this story. Rush Wilson might be

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Speaker 1: This is how it goes in the NFL. One guy

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Speaker 1: we go. In five years, Patrick Mahomes will actually be

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Speaker 1: joined by Mark Arducci, who covers the Temple Owls for

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Speaker 1: Owls beat writer Marking R. Ducci of the Philadelphia and Choir. Mark,

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Speaker 1: is Temple change the guy's position because they thought that's

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Speaker 1: what he would do better at in the pros. How

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Speaker 1: many times have you heard that? Hardly ever? Right, no,

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Speaker 1: because most teams are just looking what can we do

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Speaker 1: to get the player to help us win? That's what

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Speaker 1: can we do to help the player thrive on the

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Speaker 1: next we talk about all the time N double A.

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Speaker 1: Coaches are in the business to win games for their boosters,

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Speaker 1: for their jobs, for their jobs, for their chick it sales.

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Speaker 1: Here's a case where we've got We've got our prilly

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Speaker 1: Inquirer writers saying they moved Chandler from corner of the

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Speaker 1: safety because they thought that was better for his long

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Speaker 1: term professional potential. That that's unheard of, it just doesn't happen. Interesting. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that was a very interesting point. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's also great too, a year later to hear

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Speaker 1: from the people that we brought up on the program,

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Speaker 1: and then the player makes the giants, and then you

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Speaker 1: sort of look back and how well it just when

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Speaker 1: he brought up special teams, it triggered, and I said,

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Speaker 1: Sean Chandler is a great example of what he's talking about,

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Speaker 1: and he's got the Temple connection. So it was nice

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Speaker 1: to at least reflect back on some of the conversations

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Speaker 1: we had last year. We're going to be talking with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Tresselini the Delaware News Journal coming up, but in between,

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Speaker 1: let's try to squeeze in the caller or two. As

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Speaker 1: we opened up the conversation for you here on Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live, Doug is in Rochester. Doug, welcome aboard.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Hey? How do how

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Speaker 1: you're doing? Paul all very well, Doug? What's on your mind? Um?

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the draft pick sicker seventeen

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Speaker 1: as there's more like your jos to get the top

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Speaker 1: pass rush or all the Williams or or Oliver Alan Wonder.

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Speaker 1: But if they're all the pass rushers are gone at

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Speaker 1: seventeen the top pass rusterers, and Greedy Williams is there

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Speaker 1: at cornerback, you think that's a good pick for the

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Speaker 1: Giants as seventeen or you should have taken the tackle.

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Speaker 1: You take Greedy Williams sitting there, well, a tackle meaning

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Speaker 1: you're talking about an offensive tackle in that position, right,

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Speaker 1: like a right tackle once again? Right, I'm not Greedy

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Speaker 1: william was a quarterback like Greedy Williers are sitting there

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Speaker 1: at seventeen, or even White a linebacker sitting there where

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Speaker 1: you take those are good choices at seventeen or not? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think in terms of Devin White being there at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: I think that would be very good value in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I know there's some question marks about how he'll transition,

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Speaker 1: but I think White from a value standpoint, would be

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Speaker 1: solid pick at seventeen. Greedy Williams. I've seen some drafts

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Speaker 1: where he's being projected going into the high teams. So

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Speaker 1: once again, if they feel like he's the best guy

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Speaker 1: on the board, I think that equates the value and need.

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer, when he spoke to the media on the

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Speaker 1: conference call yesterday, was asked about some of the questions

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Speaker 1: in the secondary, and based on what he said, it's

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Speaker 1: not as if they don't have options, Paul, But right now,

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Speaker 1: the starting third corner I think is a complete question mark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really believe, to answer the caller in a more

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Speaker 1: generic sense, I do believe that there will be value

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Speaker 1: at offensive tackle, also on the defensive line, and also

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Speaker 1: at cornerback at seventeen. Now, which way they decide to

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Speaker 1: go based on which player is the highest on their

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Speaker 1: board at the time, we can't tell you that. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that those

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Speaker 1: positions probably will all hold value with that spot. I

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Speaker 1: think they're deep enough that they'll be there'll be a

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Speaker 1: selection of guys they can go to their Well, let's

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Speaker 1: say let's say Montes Sweat and burns it those are

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Speaker 1: for right tackle in the second round, and the linebackers

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Speaker 1: in the corner back and take there'll be more better

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Speaker 1: chances of getting a good, better right tackle in that

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Speaker 1: later round. Well, I I've said all on and I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna shy away from this. And the Giants. You know,

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Speaker 1: first four picks of this draft, remember two in the first,

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Speaker 1: one of the second, one of the third. They've got

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Speaker 1: to get a minimum of three guys who are going

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Speaker 1: to significantly contribute to this team. Now, Pat sherm where

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Speaker 1: yesterday was asked, do you think this draft has two

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Speaker 1: or three potential defensive starters in it for you? Do

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Speaker 1: you think you can get them? And he said, well,

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Speaker 1: that's the idea. That's that's what we're gonna try to do.

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Speaker 1: So that says to me, okay, that two of their

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Speaker 1: first three selections will probably be defense, and I don't care,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's it's six and thirty oven

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Speaker 1: or it's six and seventeen. Two of them were probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be defense and the other one is probably going

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Speaker 1: to be an offensive tackle. Okay, that she the other

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Speaker 1: that is the other Giant out him on the app Well,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't recorded. You could you could read the transcript.

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Speaker 1: The full transcript of his conference call is up on

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Speaker 1: giants dot com. Doug and will let you go. No,

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Speaker 1: he well, he was talking, but they didn't have the

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Speaker 1: exact audio, but you can't get the full transcript and

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call with respect to what Shermer said.

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning was on the conference call, Sterling Shepard was

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Speaker 1: on the conference call. All three of those individuals spoke

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Speaker 1: to the media yesterday, and Shermer one of the takeaways

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Speaker 1: was that, you know, the depth in this draft could

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Speaker 1: allow the Giants to bring in a few defensive players.

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning talked about the outlook of this season and

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Speaker 1: mentioned that he learned of the Oldell Beckham trade while

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Speaker 1: watching TV and got a few text messages and also

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Speaker 1: said that over the last month or so was when

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Speaker 1: he had conversations with Pat Shermer and a gentleman about

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Speaker 1: that he is going to be the starting quarterback and

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Speaker 1: he is definitely coming back. So you know, there's been conversation.

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Speaker 1: They've been in communication all offseason as well as we

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Speaker 1: told people. Gettleman met with Eli Manning right after the

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Speaker 1: season was over and everyone said well, what was the

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Speaker 1: speculation involving that conversation. We now know Eli told Gettleman,

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Speaker 1: I'm healthy, I feel good, I plan to come back.

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Speaker 1: I want to come back, and Gettleman said, hey, due diligence,

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Speaker 1: I gotta watch the tape, which is also what we

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Speaker 1: told you on this program how many times since the

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Speaker 1: season ended. Gettleman wanted to be sure. He wanted to

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Speaker 1: double check the tape and make sure that his conviction

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Speaker 1: about bringing back Eli was going to be accurate. He

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Speaker 1: didn't want to commit until he went back and double

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Speaker 1: checked the tape. Well he did. He double checked the tape,

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Speaker 1: and within a month and a half, two months time,

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Speaker 1: he was able to lock in the line and say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we definitely want you back. We want

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Speaker 1: to remind you BIBL kick off lives ended by Corps

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Speaker 1: talk as we now bring in Kevin Tresselini of the

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Speaker 1: Delaware News Journal, who covers the Delaware Blue Hens, as

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Speaker 1: we continue to set the stage for the two thousand

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Speaker 1: nineteen NFL draft. Kevin, you got Lance Medal Poul Detino

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Speaker 1: with he here on Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time, how's everything? Hey good? I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys having me on Hope you're all doing well well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin, same to you as well, and my goodness. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I could go back to Delaware and talk about Scott

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Speaker 1: Bruner with you for a little while, but that would

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Speaker 1: be before your time, I'm sure, and it's many years

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Speaker 1: since we Actually that would not be before my time.

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Speaker 1: I graduated from Delaware with Scotty, did you really Scott?

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Speaker 1: Scott was my broadcast partner on so many Seed college

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Speaker 1: football games some years ago after he did Rutgers, and

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Speaker 1: we had a sensational time working together, he saying, he's

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Speaker 1: a really great guy. But but to bring it fast

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Speaker 1: forward to today, Uh, the Delaware Blue Hens do have

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Speaker 1: one particular prospect whose name was bantied about a lot

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Speaker 1: at the combine. That would be Adderlee, the safety, and

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Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on what his draft

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Speaker 1: prospects are and how much his stock has riven since

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Speaker 1: this drisen since the season ended. Yeah, m dear, Radderlee

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Speaker 1: is is quite a ball player. He is. He is

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Speaker 1: certainly going to be the second highest, the second highest

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Speaker 1: draft pick in in Blue hen history, behind Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: who was the eighteenth choice overall by the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: in two thousand seven out of Delaware. The second highest

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Speaker 1: draft pick out of Delaware was was rich Gannon, who

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Speaker 1: had a precare career himself a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: late bloomer. He was taking overall UH seven by New England. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think I think ms Hear is gonna go a

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Speaker 1: lot higher than that. You know, the the mock drafts

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Speaker 1: i've seen have him late first round, early second round.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't cover the NFL. We have an Eagles

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Speaker 1: beat reporter, my colleague Martin frank Um, he did uh.

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Speaker 1: He and some of my USA Today Network colleagues did

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Speaker 1: a mock draft this week. They did not have the

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Speaker 1: seer going in the first round. I think I think

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Speaker 1: there's more speculation about him going in the second round.

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Speaker 1: But all it takes, obviously is uh is somebody who

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Speaker 1: likes him, and he is certainly a gifted player who

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Speaker 1: I think will bring a lot of talent to that

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Speaker 1: safety position in the NFL. First thing someone's going to

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Speaker 1: say is level of comp obviously, Well I played FCS school,

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Speaker 1: all right, we gotta take him down a notch. Explain

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Speaker 1: to those folks who haven't seen him play, what makes

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Speaker 1: him such a good prospect in your eyes? Why is

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Speaker 1: he such a terrific football player no matter what level

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Speaker 1: he plays at? Well, you know he he was. He

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Speaker 1: was recruited by by the FBS programs, but the seer

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Speaker 1: had some had some academic issues in UM when he

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Speaker 1: was in high school, and they he he would have

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Speaker 1: he would have required a little bit of diligence on

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Speaker 1: the part of of the FBS schools to really kind

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Speaker 1: of push him and prod him while he was still

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Speaker 1: in high school. If he had been a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a higher level prospect, more of them would have

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Speaker 1: done that. Delaware decided to do that. Delaware actually really

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Speaker 1: kind of helped him get on the right track academically

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Speaker 1: while he was still in the high school to kind

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Speaker 1: of allow him to meet his academic potential his senior

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Speaker 1: year to make him els will to be uh A

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Speaker 1: a college player. Obviously, FCS n FBS programs have the

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Speaker 1: same academic UH curriculum UM n C double A requirements. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: each school then has its own admission standard, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of FBS schools were a little

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Speaker 1: bit cool on him because they weren't so sure he

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Speaker 1: was going to be able to make it academically. Um,

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Speaker 1: and if he had been maybe a little bit higher

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Speaker 1: level prospect, they would have, you know, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: kind of come after him a little bit more. At

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Speaker 1: Delaware went in there and really kind of helped him

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Speaker 1: design his academic program his senior year, and he really

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Speaker 1: kind of met his potential. He wasn't a bad student.

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Speaker 1: He kind of called up, called himself just a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a lazy student. So he did pretty well,

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Speaker 1: you know, he got his grades up. He committed to

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Speaker 1: Delaware pretty early. Uh. Some other schools saw that Wake

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Speaker 1: Forest swooped in and and brought him down there for

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Speaker 1: a visit the week before signing day. He decided to

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Speaker 1: stick with his UH with his Delaware commitment and came

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Speaker 1: to the Blue Hens. Started all forty five games during

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Speaker 1: his career with Delaware at cornerback, his first couple of

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Speaker 1: years at safety, his last two years. Had a little

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Speaker 1: tryatic wide receiver during the spring of I believe that

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Speaker 1: The thing that really impressed me, I would say, was

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Speaker 1: just the incredible athletic ability he showed. He just made

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Speaker 1: some incredible plays at times, a couple of acrobatic one

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Speaker 1: handed interceptions. Had one at Towson when he was a

643
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: junior um he hadn't won. Just this past season down

644
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: down at at at Richmond, Uh made the made the

645
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: ESPN highlights a couple of times doing that, and he

646
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: had the kick off return this past season at New Hampshire, Delaware.

647
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: Was set up for an onside kick, so he didn't

648
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: really have any protection. The ball kind of bounced back

649
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: to him. He decided to return it anyway, and the

650
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: first taxler who greeted him he just kind of knocked

651
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: him over, and then a friend for a touchdown. It

652
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: was it was just it was just an amazing scene

653
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: and he and he got the ESPN Play of the

654
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: Day for that one too, So you know, an FCS kid,

655
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, getting getting two ESPN Top plays is pretty impressive.

656
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, again, I don't have the eyes

657
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: of a football coach. I have the eyes of a sportswriter.

658
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: But just you know, just the athletic ability he brought

659
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: to that position was the thing that I always took

660
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: note of, you know, you know he had he had

661
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: he had as a as a senior. Um he was

662
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: the only player in FCS with a hundred and sixty

663
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: plus tackles and nine plus interceptions over the last two years.

664
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: So I think that statistically says something about him as well.

665
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, those numbers jump off the page. Kevin. My

666
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: question is you mentioned he played corner and safety as

667
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: starting experience at both spots. There's some talk about on

668
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: the NFL level, teams may find it more comfortable putting

669
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: him back at corner. I know you said you have

670
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: the eye of a sportswriter, not necessarily an NFL analyst,

671
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: But from what you've seen, is there more strength to

672
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: his game when he lined up at corner or was

673
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: there not that much of a difference versus when he

674
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: was at safety? Yeah? Again, again, he did very He

675
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: did very well at both at both positions. I personally, again,

676
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: and and this is an uneducated football opinion on my part,

677
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: I see him more as a safety. The things that

678
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: I've read kind of project him more that way. But

679
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: he certainly has the versatility, um, you know, to play

680
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: in a nickel situation to go back and forth to

681
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: play both. Um, you know, the athlete, the not a

682
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: ability he brought to the field for del Or really

683
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: kind of jumped off the table. He could really cover

684
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. Uh he could he could make plays,

685
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: he could get in the air. He had great hands.

686
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: Uh you know when he got the ball, he could

687
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: do things with the ball in his hands. So, UM,

688
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I certainly see where where where that where that association

689
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: can be made that he could go back to corner.

690
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: I just I just kind of like him being you know,

691
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, having a little bit more of the freedom

692
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: to play safety. Um, you know, more more more of

693
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: a free safety obviously than a strong safety. I think,

694
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: what when when I looked at the tape of him

695
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: and I just looked at some of my notes, he

696
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of what Jabrill Peppers was at

697
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: Michigan a Loo Peppers played a little bit more in

698
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the box. I think Adelie is more of a of

699
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: a free safety than he is a strong But but

700
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he was so versatile and was able

701
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: to do so many different things, roaming all around the

702
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: field and do a little bit of everything and be

703
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: so productive to me. I just I just think that

704
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: that kind of versatility right now is so valued by

705
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: teams in the National Football League, especially as safety who

706
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: on occasion could come down and play the slot. It's

707
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: a big deal. Oh yeah, without a doubt. And I

708
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: and I think and I think that has kind of

709
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: been the key to his climb up the charts because

710
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: at the beginning, at the beginning of his senior season,

711
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: the SIRA was certainly looked at a guy who, oh yeah,

712
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: this guy. You know, this guy is certainly going to

713
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: get in the NFL opportunity and you know, more likely

714
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: than not he'll be He'll be drafted. Um. You know,

715
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: most Delaware guys who get a shot in the NFL

716
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: are are are as signed as free agents. You know,

717
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Dell resn't have a guy drafted every year. Um, you know,

718
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: more more more often than not, they get a couple

719
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: of guys who who get free agent tryouts, and often

720
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: they have nice careers. You know, Mike Adams, who who

721
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: has in a long career as a as a safety,

722
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Paul Warlow as a linebacker. You know, find Delaware players

723
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL free agent signees. But I think I

724
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: think as the season went along and more people got

725
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: to look at I mean there was, there were, there

726
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: were there were one or two guys in NFL shirts

727
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: at every at every practice in August. As more and

728
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: more guys got to look at him, they saw that

729
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: his skills are pretty wide ranging. Um, and you know

730
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes in games and I mean there was, there was,

731
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: there was There was one game this past season when

732
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: when coach Danny Rocko, the dollar Head coach, actually had

733
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: to pull the seer aside and actually give him a

734
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: sideline tackling lessons like this year, this is what you

735
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: have to do, This is how you have to really

736
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: kind of get in there to make a tackle. But

737
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: you know that that's you know, that's something that's going

738
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: to happen once in a while with guys. But I

739
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: think I think he climbed, He climbed up the charts

740
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: in in the in the eyes of NFL observers, because

741
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: he does have that ability to to to play different positions.

742
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: He has versatility, and he's very athletic. How much of

743
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: anything did his cousin, her Battee, the former Packers great,

744
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: have an influence on his career youth? Yeah, Yeah, Herb

745
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: has been a great influence in him. I've talked to

746
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: her a couple of times about that. Obviously, Herb was

747
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot older than him, but but they've really developed

748
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: quite a bond the last couple of years since since

749
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: the Sire's grandfather died. Uh. The Seer's grandfather and Herb

750
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: were first cousins. That's where that's where the connection, the

751
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: family connection is. Uh. So, you know, this year is

752
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: a couple of generations younger than the great her Batterly

753
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: who who you know, it sounds like we're close to

754
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: the same age. You know, we saw him play and

755
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: he was pretty pretty amazing as a player. So you

756
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: can see and and and it's great talking to this

757
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: year about her because he really does have a profound

758
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: respect and admiration for her Batterly, what he represents, the

759
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: kind of player he was, He really admires and respects

760
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: him and and and what he has done and and

761
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: the last few years when they've kind of gotten close,

762
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: they've spoken regularly. Herb has seen him play. Herberts had

763
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: some health problems lately. He lives in South Jersey. It's

764
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: been a little bit tougher for him to get around. Uh.

765
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: But Na sir has greatly valued, uh, that relationship and

766
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: and herb's ability to just kind of, uh, you know,

767
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: give him some advice and and kind of talk about

768
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: playing football and and and and just how to make

769
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: best use of of your abilities. Uh. You know, the

770
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: seer has certainly made her proud. But the great thing is,

771
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: this is one thing that's really impressed me about the

772
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: sear is he really appreciates what her batterly uh is

773
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: and was and and and what and what he means

774
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: to the sear. It's it's it's really it's really kind

775
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: of impressive. We're talking with Delaware Blue Hands beat writer

776
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: Kevin tresselinia the Delaware News Journal. You brought up n

777
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: Sir's special teams dynamics as a kick returner. I'm just curious, Kevin,

778
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: how much was he utilized outside of returning kickoffs in

779
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: terms of punt work as well as coverage teams. Did

780
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: they expose him to at it all? Because that could

781
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: be something obviously that he's asked to do on the

782
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: NFL level. Yeah, I'm trying to remember, you know, I

783
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: don't I don't I don't recall a whole lot. You know, again,

784
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: that's not something I would if it had taken great

785
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: note of But um, you know the yard run back

786
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: up at up at up at New Hampshire, you know,

787
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: was the thing that really stands out. He did He

788
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: did return. I don't have the stats in front of me,

789
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, he did. He did return some other kicks.

790
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: Not so much on punts though I don't. I don't

791
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: recall him being used that much on punts certainly something

792
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: I could see him doing. However, and and and you're

793
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean at the NFL level, Um, he

794
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: would probably be a guy who would be uh needed

795
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: on special teams and I would think could be a

796
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: valuable member of of of of of special teams units,

797
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. One more guy before we let

798
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: you go. And it's a little bit off the beaten trail.

799
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: That's West Hills, the running back who was at Delaware

800
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: an average six and a half yards of carry in

801
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: his years there before he went to Slippery Rock, and

802
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: last year averaged over seven yards of carrying at six

803
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: to two hundred five pounds. I got a feeling he's

804
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna be in somebody's camp and get a look. He's

805
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be drafted but somebody's gonna want to

806
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: look at this guy and maybe stash him on a

807
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: practice squad and maybe he's got a future. What can

808
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: you tell me about west Hills? Somebody certainly ought to

809
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: take a look at west Hills and bring them into

810
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: their camp, because, yeah, west Hills had a nice career

811
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: at Delaware. It was a little it was it was

812
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: injury plagued. You know, he did have some issues with injuries.

813
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: But when he was healthy, I can't remember what he

814
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: averaged about eight yards of carry at times he was

815
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: he was really impressive, kind of a you know, unusual build,

816
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of tall um you know, at that at that

817
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: at that at that running back spot. But he really

818
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: he really got the job done for the for the

819
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Blue Hens in the in the in the three seasons

820
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: he played he played for Delaware before he ran into

821
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: some academic issues and and lost his eligibility and then

822
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: spent his last year at Still three Rock. But you know,

823
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: you just you just brought up an important point when

824
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: you asked me about Adderly. At Delaware, west Hills was

825
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: a stud on special teams, running down to defend kickoffs

826
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: in particular, and here is a guy who could have

827
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: a long career because of his special team's abilities. Former

828
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: former Delaware coach Dave Brock used to rave about what

829
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: west Hills did on special teams in in terms of

830
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: comparing him to being better than anybody he had ever

831
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: coached at some of that stuff. He was a great

832
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: running back, and he always also wanted to be on

833
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: the kickoff team so he could run down and make

834
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: a tackle and often he would. Well, that type of

835
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: trait is going to be extremely attractive to your point,

836
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: on the NFL level. I mean, even if he doesn't

837
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: get drafted, somebody ought to bring him in camp just

838
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: for that type of energy. And that's how you get

839
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: noticed season when you make those plays. And he is, Yeah,

840
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: he is Delaware Blue Hands beat writer Kevin tress Alani

841
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: and the Delaware News Journal. Kevin greatly appreciate the time

842
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: of the inside. Thanks so much for coming on the

843
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: program today. Thank you, Kevin, It's great to be with you.

844
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: Thanks again for having me. You got it our pleasure

845
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: to have Kevin tress Lani once again here on Big

846
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live to provide some inside on the seater.

847
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: Adderly and he said, potentially second round pick from what

848
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: he is hearing, versatile guy who could play corners, safety

849
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: and contribute on special teams as well. All right, let's

850
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: reopen up the phone lines as we make our way

851
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: to the top of the hour, I want to give

852
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to weigh in on a variety of subjects,

853
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: including the draft two zero three hashtag giants chat on Twitter,

854
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Chris is in Texas as he carries on the conversation,

855
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: what's happening, Chris, Good afternoon, gentleman. Always the pleasure. Hi,

856
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: good to hear from you. What's on your mind? All right? Uh?

857
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: Quarterback questions, Uh, I'll make the questions quick or the

858
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: answers could be even quick as well. Uh. One with

859
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: regards to the draft, and and another question regarding Rosen Um,

860
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: my quarterback that I like, not love the best in

861
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: this draft would be Daniel Daniel Jones. Um. I picked

862
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: him over Haskins because I'd rather have the legs that

863
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: athletic ability versus the canon. On quick questions on Daniel Jones,

864
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: Yes to note, I think I know you answered to

865
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: this because you mentioned it previously. But do you think

866
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: he's worked the seventeenth pick? No? Yeah, I would probably

867
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: get better value in my opinion, I think it's seventeen,

868
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: especially if there's more defensive players still on the board.

869
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: We've already mentioned the three positions just a few minutes,

870
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: which should have the appropriate value at seventeen. I'm not

871
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: saying that Daniel Jones can't make it in the league

872
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: or that somebody wouldn't like to have him, But at

873
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: seventeen I got a feeling his value was not going

874
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: to be that high. I agree, Do you think he's

875
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: worth thirty seven? I consider him at thirty seven. I'd

876
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: have a much more in depth conversation and there, especially

877
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: if the Giants got two defensive players at six and seventeen,

878
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: and depending on what's left with the offensive line, I

879
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to think about him at thirty seven. Yeah,

880
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a more serious consideration. The question becomes

881
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: a how badly? Then? At that point do you want

882
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: to draft an offensive tackle? Because there will be a

883
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: plug and play offensive tackle probably available at thirty seven

884
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: if you did not get one of the first round

885
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: I would probably lean towards that direction. My sleeper quarterback

886
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: in this draft is Jared Stidham. I've said it before.

887
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can get him in the

888
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: third or if you have to get him in the second.

889
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: But but if you're gonna talk non first round quarterbacks,

890
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: Stidham would be my guy out of Auburn. Alright, Paul,

891
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: I just got a dressed that real quick, because I

892
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: did want to ask you about this Rosen question. I

893
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: don't want to go I don't want to go past

894
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: the second round. I don't want to go past thirty

895
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: seven for a quarterback, as we did that the past

896
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: couple of years. If we're in, we gotta be all in.

897
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: That's my opinion, and that's that's fair. I don't I

898
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that philosophy. Again, it comes

899
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: down to who's available at thirty seven. At that moment,

900
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: you say, okay, well what did we already grab, and

901
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: then what is our player rankings or our most valuable

902
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: player are still available at thirty seven. If the quarterback

903
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: is not the guy, you can't pick them. It all

904
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: goes back to that whole thing about not wanting to

905
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: force it, and I would not force I. I wouldn't

906
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: force it. Again, my opinion is based on the value,

907
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: the perceived value of the depth of this draft. You

908
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: should be able to get two defensive players and an

909
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: offensive tackle in those first thirty seven picks and find

910
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: guys who actually meet the appropriate value without any difficulty

911
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: at all. And Chris the other thing you have to

912
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: take that gets hideration. You can't go into the assumption

913
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are absolutely going to trade him to

914
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all speculation at this point. They could

915
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: very well draft Murray and keep Rose in and hold

916
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: onto him for trade value if somebody gets hurt, or

917
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: open up a competition for them both roll that out.

918
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: You know, it would be really interesting. And I wouldn't

919
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: put this past Dave of Ghettoman either. I've said it before.

920
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to package something

921
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: in the fourth and fifth round and tries to combine

922
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: it together and move up from the bottom of the

923
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: third to try to get to the top of the

924
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: third round. So this way he's got a better selection

925
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: of the depth of the draft and maybe even takes

926
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: a sleeper quarterback. I could see that happening too. Funny

927
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: that you said that, because I was thinking along those lines,

928
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: And just tell me if I'm crazy, because I feel

929
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: like I am. Don't feel bad. I get called crazy

930
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: all the time. It's quite all right, that's the poison

931
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: to me as well. Um, am I crazy thinking? Maybe

932
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: it's the prejudice, but I didn't like Rosen last year.

933
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I hate to give up thirty seven for him. Am

934
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: I crazy to think this is a fair trade? Giants

935
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: third seven and for Rosen and number sixty their early

936
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: third round? Is that crazy? Wow? I don't. I think

937
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: they could get a better offer in my opinion, if

938
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: they really opened it up truly to the rest of

939
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: the market. I think somebody else would be willing to

940
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: cough up a little bit more higher picks, is what

941
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm referring to. I think the Cardinals probably would want

942
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: more and probably could get more. Uh And quite honestly, again,

943
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: the problem with the Giants perspective on this is if

944
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: if you really do like Rosen, well, then you're willing

945
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: to talk about making a deal, even if you do

946
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: have to overpay a tad. If you don't really like Rosen,

947
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: then you're better off. Once again, like you don't want

948
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: to force a pick, don't force the trade. Yeah, and listen,

949
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone called Chris. Thanks Muture. Weighing in the

950
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: bottom line is to your point, Paul, if you're that

951
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: enamored with him, then you're willing to sacrifice resources for him.

952
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: I think that's the way you gotta look at it,

953
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: if you're just looking at and I'm not being a

954
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Debbie downer on Chris's hypothetical situation, but it's almost like

955
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: you can only pile up so much just to make

956
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: it look more appetizing. Eventually the team's gonna be like,

957
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: but we want substance, we don't just want volume. Look,

958
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: if they really do like Rosen better than most, if

959
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: not all, of the quarterbacks in this class, they would

960
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: be absolutely justified in giving up the thirty seven. Yeah.

961
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's a quarterback that was one of the

962
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: top prospects last year. It's only played fourteen games under

963
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: difficult circumstances. It's not like a lot has changed, I guess,

964
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, Paul. Since he's come out of

965
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: U C. L A. So the questions that were there

966
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: could still very well be there. And I don't really

967
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: think you saw enough in year one. Is a rookie

968
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: where you're blown away with judgments based on a small

969
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: sample size. I mean, he had a terrible offensive line,

970
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: they didn't have much of a running game, and you

971
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of those games they weren't very competitive.

972
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: Is that a reflection on Josh Rosen after fourteen games?

973
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: I think, if anything, that's still upside there that if

974
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: you feel you bring him into your system, you can

975
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: work with him, then you're willing to give up some

976
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: notable resources for that. Let's head back to the phone

977
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: lines and we check in with Tony in d C. Tony,

978
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's on your mind? Ay? Jents,

979
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I had my questions, But Paul,

980
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: you said maybe the most important thing facing professional football

981
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: today and you talked about how this these percentage is

982
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: being taken by quarterbacks and pass rushers are ruining the

983
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: ultimate team sport because you can't keep even keep a

984
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: team together because of the money. And with and with

985
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: that said, and this might be a little controversial, the

986
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: NFL owners only have themselves to blame. They won those negotiations.

987
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: They have these players under absolute draconian rookie deals and

988
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: franchise tags. So when it's time to cash in, you

989
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: get Marrio Williams deals and then Dominican Sue deals and

990
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins deal. Remember Albert Haynesworth, Remember that one. Remember

991
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: when Haynesworth busted the bank for the Redskins. Yeah, I mean,

992
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: and it's and it sucks, It does suck. I mean

993
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppo was gonna make thirty seven million dollars and

994
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: has done nothing. Well, that's the market though, I mean,

995
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: that's the market. Tony discounts, and they only have themselves

996
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: to blame. Well, but Tony, Tony, But Tony in fairness,

997
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: that that's how the market plays out. And and the

998
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: players union and rightfully so, would never agree to a

999
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: deal where you're gonna put caps on their earning power.

1000
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: You wouldn't do that, Tony. In your job, would you

1001
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: want to work in a market where they say you

1002
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: can only make as much as this? No, you want

1003
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: to be able to test the market, to have as

1004
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: high as the earning power as you want. So I

1005
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to see the NFL become of that.

1006
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why the draft is important and good gms. No,

1007
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: they've got to make changes and they've got to make sacrifices.

1008
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: That's why there's so much turnover on and if here

1009
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Tony, and and I'm sure you'll agree

1010
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: with me, because you sound like you're old enough to

1011
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: remember Plan B free agency, which I thought was the

1012
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: compromise that really worked the best for the quality of

1013
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: the league. But then the league, the league lost when

1014
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: the players Association took Plan B free agency into the

1015
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: courts and they got knocked down in the court system

1016
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: saying was and I trust and collusion, etcetera, etcetera, And

1017
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: they disallowed Plan B. And it's a shame because it

1018
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: was the best plan for everybody and allowed the NFL

1019
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: to maintain continuity and quality. And when it was ruled illegal, okay,

1020
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: and the league how to disband Plan B, and they

1021
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: had to open up unrestricted free agency and they had

1022
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: to install salary caps. Well guess what that was the

1023
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: beginning of the demise of the overall quality of the

1024
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: league and the beginning of salaries that started to spike

1025
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: on the high end of the spectrum. And what you

1026
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: have now is a situation where nothing is stopping the

1027
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: upscale spike of the highest salary players in the league,

1028
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know where it stops. We got a

1029
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: quarterback now as a result the last Night still getting

1030
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: WAT thirty five million a year on the cap. That's crazy,

1031
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But I mean, once again, the salary cap

1032
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: continues to increase, players salary is going to increase simultaneously.

1033
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: So I mean that's but they don't. But they don't.

1034
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: The high end guys increase, the low end guys don't.

1035
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: Because teams can't afford to give too many middle of

1036
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: the road contracts. They're given all the superstars, the big

1037
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: overbloated contracts. That's not good for the lead. Well, but

1038
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. First of all, I don't think

1039
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: it's taken away from the quality of league because you

1040
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: have a number of teams every year that have a

1041
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl. And that's more

1042
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: than you could say than other professional sports, where in

1043
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: the NBA, which is so top heavy with talent that

1044
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: only four or five teams have a legitimate So I

1045
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: actually I think it's benefitedly. It's no, it's not, it's

1046
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: it's not true. What are you talking about. Look at

1047
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: the league sister year two thousand. I mean, my god, Yeah,

1048
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: you're looking well, No, you're looking yeah, you're you're you're

1049
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: looking well, you're looking at the super Bowl winner. But

1050
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the turnover rate in the playoffs. There's

1051
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: about four new teams that make the playoffs every single year,

1052
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: so there actually is a high turnover rate where it's

1053
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: very difficult to continue to get back to the postseason. Alright, alright,

1054
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: remember a small percentage of teams Tony. I can hand

1055
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: Tony quarterback, Tony. I can handle this guy. It's okay,

1056
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: I can handle it. It's not a matter of hand

1057
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: there there. Look, think about this. A team nowadays invest

1058
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: a ton of money in the quarterback. The guy gets everybody.

1059
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: The backup quarterbacks are not nearly as quite everybody host teams.

1060
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: That's not good. It's not good. Well, but we've been

1061
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: we've been like that for a decade. And it stakes.

1062
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't see how it stakes. It's just a matter

1063
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: of you need to do your homework in the draft

1064
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: to get young players ready to That's the Jets would

1065
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: happen when tester Brodie got hurt, he ripped as Achilles

1066
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: and they had a put Ray lucas In and Bill

1067
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Parcels in the Jets potential Super Bowl team. But every

1068
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: ruling is like that. When Aaron Rodgers go and how's

1069
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: that good for the league. But that's that's the rate

1070
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: of injury. When in the NBA, when you lose a

1071
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: star player, you're gonna tell me the NBA team is not.

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00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: How was it? How was it different in the old

1073
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: days of the NFL. If your star quarterback got hurt,

1074
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: you got a guy so Gracie got hurt. Earl madel

1075
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: came in the Super Bowl. Your answer is, if the

1076
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: hold on Paul, if the NFL is if the if

1077
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the NFL is uncapped Tony, if the NFL is uncapped, okay,

1078
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: then that means the owners with the deepest pockets will

1079
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: be able to buy out all the top caliber talent.

1080
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: And that means we'd have the equivalency of what Major

1081
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: League Baseball is like, where there's not a hard cap

1082
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: and if the owner wants to spend, spend and spend,

1083
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: the owner will go out and spend and spend and spend.

1084
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: So I don't see exactly how that alternative is any

1085
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: better for the quality and balance of potential. Solution, because

1086
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: I got a cluster for you. Solution is trying and

1087
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: let these guys negotiate after two years, because you could

1088
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: be on a rookie deal for five years on franch

1089
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: and not have the right to negotiate your contract after

1090
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: seven years. What job works that way? Of course they're

1091
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna try to beat you overhead with a contract when

1092
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: those are the more conditions you know. And what's opening

1093
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: about a contract negotiation now occurred before you even played

1094
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: high school football. So but, but, but, but here's my

1095
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: question before So let you guys go. I've heard that

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00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: um from a talking head that the Giants need twenty players.

1097
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying twenty starters, but we need players like

1098
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: guys that can play, not bodies. We need players. So first,

1099
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: do you agree with that point? And I'm gonna let

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: you go after this. And second, do you think we

1101
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: should use all of this year's draft picks to pick

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00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: players or should we try and move up and get

1103
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: more premium picks? Because I also believe that scouting in

1104
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: the NFL is way better than it's ever been. And finally,

1105
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: need you know these diamonds are getting harder every single year.

1106
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, love to show all right, Tony, appreciate the part. Well,

1107
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean twenty players. Listen, you need good players period.

1108
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean to put a number on it is the

1109
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. I mean, you

1110
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: only got fifty three guys on a roster, so you're

1111
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: saying that the Giants need to turn over half their

1112
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: roster for already what they turned over. I mean that,

1113
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: to me is a little bit of hyperbole. I agree, Yes,

1114
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: they need to continue to bring in playmakers. I don't

1115
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: think twelve draft picks are going to make the roster

1116
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: between the practice squad and the fifty three. So I

1117
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything wrong with trying to package a

1118
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: few picks to move up to get better premium players.

1119
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I totally

1120
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: agree they should try to package and move up and

1121
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: improve their positions in in in the rounds potentially not

1122
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: the second, but certainly the third round if they can

1123
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: improve their position in the third, I would absolutely advocate that.

1124
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: In terms of how many players are the Giants away,

1125
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: I think they are five or six important contributing players

1126
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: away from being a playoff team again. And you'd like

1127
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: to believe that Sam Biale will be one of those guys.

1128
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: And as I've said many times before, um I think

1129
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: the Giants need four rookies. Okay, they need four rookies

1130
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: to come in and have a significant impact on this

1131
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: team if they can make the jump into being a

1132
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: playoff team this year, and Bill can be one of them,

1133
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: and now they need they need three others. And then

1134
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: I also believe through free agency, you know, they can

1135
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: get a significant contributor or two. Maybe maybe Golden Tate

1136
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: is one of those guys. Maybe Jabrill Peppers in the

1137
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: trade was one of those guys. Zeitler was one of

1138
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: those guys. Whoever it turns out to be. I do

1139
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: think that it's a much smaller number than they need

1140
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: twenty new guys on the roster. I don't know what

1141
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a twenty turnover that And and then

1142
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: the other point I want to make, and it's on

1143
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: the back end of what you what you said about

1144
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: the scouting. Here's the problem. The college game has morphed

1145
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: to such a degree that the rejection of what these

1146
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: scouts are forced to do when they look at a

1147
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: college player and say, now, we've got to fit them

1148
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: into the NFL scheme is wider than it used to be. Okay,

1149
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: it used to be a lot easier because the gap

1150
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: between the NFL schemes and the college schemes was clearly defined,

1151
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: and you had, for example, offensive lineman who played in

1152
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: the three point stands in college years ago. Now they're

1153
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: all playing in the two points stands and they get

1154
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: to the NFL and they got to play in the

1155
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: three point stands. That causes a gap and a projection

1156
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: that you now have to make on a player. That

1157
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: makes it a heck of a lot more difficult than

1158
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: it ever was before. You also have quarterbacks now who

1159
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: are running the spread systems okay, where they're never taking

1160
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: a snap under center. In college, it's all shotgun. Now

1161
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: they come to the NFL and they have to learn technique.

1162
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: They have to learn footwork, timing, how do we backpedal

1163
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: and set our feet before we throw the ball. That

1164
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: makes for a nasty projection for a scout as he

1165
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: tries to figure out, okay, how does this guy project

1166
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: to the pro game? So those are things, okay, those

1167
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: are things that have made the job more difficult for

1168
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: the scout. No matter how good do you think they

1169
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: are or how improved do you think they are, in

1170
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: some areas, the job is much more difficult. Let's head

1171
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Will Is in Houston will

1172
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, guys, appreciate you taking our call today. Hi,

1173
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: thanks making the call. What's on your mind? Yeah, so

1174
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: I joined the call a little lates. I didn't get

1175
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: a chance to hear who all you guys had on

1176
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: the day, But yesterday you had on the reporter here

1177
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: in town from Houston, and uh, no surprise and being

1178
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: I guess you'd call me a homer. I'm super high

1179
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: on at Oliver. If he's there at number six, it's

1180
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna be really really hard for me to not want

1181
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: to take him at six. With the talent on the upside,

1182
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: he just has such a high ceiling to be compared

1183
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: to the other prospects that could be there at number six. Yeah,

1184
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think if Oliver is there at six,

1185
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: I think the Giant should heavily consider him. I am

1186
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: just as high on Oliver as you are. I like

1187
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: his versatility. I think you play inside and outside. There's

1188
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: a lot to like about him there, There's no doubt

1189
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: about it. Absolutely And and one of the you know,

1190
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: I guess one of the knocks that we kind of

1191
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: get pushed back on from other fans is that we

1192
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: already have Thomlinson and b J. Hill. You know, when

1193
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: you look at the front we could have with the

1194
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: three four, and obviously we play more of a four

1195
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: man front than most in the other just because of

1196
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: the way personnel packages work now. But I mean with

1197
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: the three man front, looking at Kill as the three

1198
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: and Thomason as the war one and um and then

1199
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: have Oliver is the five. That's a nasty three man front.

1200
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, good luck getting a yard on fourth and

1201
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: one from Zeki Elliott with that front. And then you

1202
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: get to a four man front, you know in your

1203
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: Nicola and i'me packages, I mean just sly Tomlinson out

1204
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: and you've got Hill and uh and Oliver there as

1205
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: your two jackals with you know, hopefully another first round

1206
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: pass rusher and then Lorenzo Arder. That's an asking format

1207
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: front there too. So it just it would be really

1208
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: hard to player like that in the prospect like that,

1209
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: well you can't. You can't necessarily just look at it

1210
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: who's on the roster. I think volume is important at

1211
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: that position. Philadelphia, in the division, they've loaded up on

1212
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: a variety of defensive lineman. They rotate the guys so

1213
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: that nobody's tired in the fourth quarter. And to your point,

1214
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: I think B. J. Hill could be inside and outside.

1215
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: Tomlinson remember was outside a bit when Snacks was here,

1216
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: So you have the flexibility to move those guys around that.

1217
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: The point is you'd be maximizing the roster because you

1218
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be relying on just one or two guys playing

1219
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: to the snaps, which is what happened when you had

1220
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: JPP and Vernon here with Spags, and that was because

1221
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: there was a significant drop off from the starters to

1222
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: the back end of the depth chart. Did they address

1223
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: his knee injury yesterday when you guys had the Houston

1224
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: guy on, He didn't seem to be concerned that. If

1225
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: we had one question related to that, I don't remember

1226
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: there being any red flat. We did ask about a

1227
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: run in with his first head coach, and it was about,

1228
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, a jacket that he was wearing on this sideline.

1229
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: That did seem to be an issue. He's been you know,

1230
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: on perfect behavior, sins, but no red flags in terms

1231
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: of health or or behavior at all. That was brought

1232
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: up by Ted Party, who we had on who's there

1233
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: a radio color commentator? What was he was? He was

1234
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: so underutilized in that scheme too. I mean it didn't.

1235
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: It didn't play to his strength at all. He isn't

1236
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: attacking defensive tackle that can play up to two. I

1237
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: think he was being great with Metro's team. He wouldn't

1238
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: be asked to eat up three blocks at once in

1239
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: Metro's scheme. That would be ridiculous. But and then, and

1240
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: then I got one more thing, and that I'll let

1241
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: you guys go, oh you you brought this up a

1242
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: few times. Uh, And I'm not I'm not looking at

1243
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: maybe choosing one specific player or per position. But I

1244
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: do think they're getting three defensive starters and one offensive tackle.

1245
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: That should be the goal of the first four rounds

1246
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,959
Speaker 1: of this draft. I don't care when they're selected. Uh,

1247
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: and you know it, just maybe someone in the defensive secondary,

1248
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: whether it be a corner or more of a versatile

1249
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: defensive act that can play safety or corner. I think

1250
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: having three defensive players and then an offensive back from

1251
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: somewhere in the first four round, that's around number one.

1252
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: I'll let you appreciate, all right, all right, well, thank

1253
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: you very much. And uh, he's echoing my sentiments exactly.

1254
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. It shows he's listening carefully. Not

1255
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: everybody does. Uh. The value at those positions does equate

1256
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: to the first three rounds of this draft, where the

1257
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: Giants do have four picks. That just seems to be

1258
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: a good match for value meeting need. Well. We've talked

1259
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: about it ever since the dress speculation started. This is

1260
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, defensive line draft. You know, corner I

1261
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: don't think is as deep. Offensive line is not as deep.

1262
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: But I do think when you get into the second round,

1263
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: there's gonna be valuable options still on the board, and

1264
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: it just depends on how the Giants have prioritized those positions,

1265
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: what their board looks like. But I also would not

1266
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: rule out if they do like a player and they

1267
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: think that they can be groomed to help out over

1268
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: the longevity of the rookie contract, that would not rule

1269
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: that out either. It's not just about the two thousand

1270
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: nineteen roster, it's about what they can do beyond that

1271
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: as well. It's gonna wrap up the latest edition a

1272
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live, which is presented by corps Light.

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