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Speaker 1: is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Holy Smokes, did we have a good week? My buddy

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff way In on the Niners, doubts about Trey Lands,

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Speaker 1: the Athletics, Marcus Thompson, How freaking good was he? On? KD.

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook and Now how Andrew Wiggins is viewed? And brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Author Chuck Closterman discussed his book The Nineties. It re

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Speaker 1: examines the decade in sports pop culture, politics. It is fantastic,

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Speaker 1: But first my top takes of the week. What I'm

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Speaker 1: about to say, we know is true. There's always about

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Speaker 1: six great quarterbacks in the NFL seventies, eighties, nineties, turn

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Speaker 1: of the century. Now. I thought it was funny when

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Speaker 1: I put out my top ten quarterback list, and I

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Speaker 1: saw also that the NFL executive has put out a

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Speaker 1: top ten quarterback list, and in both Lamar Jackson was missing.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of pushback, what about Lamar Jackson? Well,

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Speaker 1: what about him? Justin Herbert has set NFL records for

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Speaker 1: passing in the first two years. Joe Burrow got to

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Kyler Murray's a better thrower of the football.

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Speaker 1: If you had a minute thirty left and you were trailing,

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Speaker 1: would you want Derek Carr Lamar Jackson. Derek Carr leads

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Speaker 1: the NFL and fourth quarter comebacks since twenty fourteen. Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson has often struggled to play from behind. Everybody wants

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Speaker 1: their quarterback to be on the list. The truth is,

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Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of Lamar Jackson. But you

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Speaker 1: have eyes, I have eyes. He's a downhill player. He

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Speaker 1: But it's funny about it. We all know it's true.

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Speaker 1: There's about six great quarterbacks in the league. Does any

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Speaker 1: NFL GM really believe Lamar Jackson, as insanely clever as

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Speaker 1: he can be as one of those quarterbacks. There's an

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Speaker 1: narrative on Lamar. He's not as good in the postseason

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Speaker 1: better with the lead than he does from behind. And

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, unlike college, even if you're on a

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Speaker 1: good team, you often play from behind. Look at my homes.

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Speaker 1: He's played from behind a lot. And that's the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: When Lamar broke into the league, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray weren't the quarterbacks they are today. Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr hadn't overcome the John Gruden fiasco. Yet, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: quarterback over the last three years in the NFL has

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Speaker 1: gotten better Lamar last two years really hasn't one of

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Speaker 1: my mantras or mottos in this business, I'd rather be

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Speaker 1: right than first. I don't consider myself a journalist, although

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Speaker 1: I've broken stories and I have sources, But I'm an opinionist,

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Speaker 1: a generalist, at least to some level, an entertainer. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. If you're informative and boring,

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Speaker 1: do you get a raise from an entertainer. Whatever. But

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Speaker 1: I watched the Deshaun Watson reporting. I've seen from various

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Speaker 1: reporters that he's going to be suspended anywhere from zero

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Speaker 1: don't need to call out the reporters. It's called Twitter,

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Speaker 1: you can see it. Let's be honest here, nobody knows

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Speaker 1: Not a single person in the American media has a

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Speaker 1: Sue Robinson is the judge. Speculation. She won't even announce

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Speaker 1: selling author, a writer for The New York Times, Washington Post, Esquire, GQ,

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Speaker 1: He's got a book called The Nineties, a fascinating look

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Speaker 1: do think you're right, though, there's a difference between like

426
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Speaker 1: respect and adoration. Right, people respect his game, but how

427
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: like you don't feel this massive. I will fight you

428
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: in the streets for his name and honor, right like

429
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: you feel with some other stars. And I do think

430
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: he has a role in that, right, I do think

431
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: like the movement has a part of it. But I

432
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: also think like he constantly tells people you don't know

433
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, You don't know what makes me happy.

434
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, I kind of don't actually, so

435
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to like know you know you right,

436
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: his story doesn't get like I think his story is incredible,

437
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: and I don't think he gets told enough like his

438
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: road to this point, it's kind of like, yeah, whatever,

439
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: but it's really a great story about a dude who

440
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: made it kind of from nothing and use basketball to

441
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: keep himself sane and safe. But you're right, like, you

442
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: gotta be able to hug him emotionally, spiritually, you gotta

443
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: be able to be with him. And he spent the

444
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: last you know what, five six years telling you why

445
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: you don't have that relationship with him. So I do

446
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: think that's different. Well, and you know, I think I

447
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: think all parties can have some some responsibility that including him.

448
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: For some people though they will. I mean there are

449
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: some players who don't deserve such fans and have them, right,

450
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Like people like Russell Westbrook fans will fight you in

451
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: the streets about Russell Westbrook. Right, James Harden fans will

452
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: go in on you. They're finding your address because you

453
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: don't get to talk about James Harden like that. Right.

454
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: I do think there's a there's a price to pay,

455
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: because as great as KD is, he should have that

456
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: in DROs, right, But something is not connected in that way. Yeah, yeah,

457
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: I mean I've moved a lot in my career. The

458
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: downside of mobility is you always kind of feel like

459
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: an outsider. I mean, you're from Oakland, you work at

460
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: the Bay right, like you're an insider. Even at Fox.

461
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: I was local, I was at ESPN. I'm at Fox.

462
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Not that they haven't treated me well, but there's people

463
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: that have been working at that shop for thirty five

464
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: forty years. Yeah. Right, when I walk in, I wish

465
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: it was home, but I understand like a am I home?

466
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Or am I a visitor? And that makes me respect

467
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: it more. When I walk into Fox, I always feel

468
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: like this is not my building, right, Like I can

469
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: be let go. My contract runs out, so and that's

470
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: not a knock. It's just when you're mobile, like in

471
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, you are home covering the right team

472
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: for who Marcus Thompson is absolutely this is my seventh

473
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: state I've lived in. You're a nomad, you're a professing all.

474
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: You ain't a no bad I do. There is like

475
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: bonus points for being situated. I mean, look, we we

476
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: respect Dirt Nevinski's one championship over a few people's like

477
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: two or three, just because he did it in one

478
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: place and that was a sacrifice like Kevin Durant made

479
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: leaving Oklahoma City. He's gonna have to stack up enough

480
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: championships where it's like like how many do you need

481
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: to be more valuable than that one? You would have

482
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: got an Oklahoma City that people thought you should have

483
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: got right there, there is like bonus points, bonus adoration,

484
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yeah, if you if you sit down

485
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: in one spot and ride it out. I don't even

486
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: know if that's fair. Probably I feel like if I

487
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: want to go to New York, I can, and I

488
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: should be able to, and you should love me just

489
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: the same. But no, ain't no love for me, like

490
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: like it is in the bay because you know the

491
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: dirt is in my skin. You know what I'm saying. Well, listen,

492
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: Michael Jordans. We watched the Pistons tackling Zah wouldn't shake

493
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: his hand. We watched the Celtics tackle him. We watched

494
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: the death of his father, we watched the comeback, we

495
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: watched the Flu game, and then we watched the documentary

496
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: or he's fighting with his general manager. I think a

497
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: big part of the Michael Jordan loves he got his

498
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: ass kicked a lot and he lost a lot personally, professionally,

499
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: makes Michael so much easier to embrace. Like you know,

500
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: I've said this. My wife always jokes. She says, you

501
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: have balance, you have a chip on both shoulders. Right

502
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Like Brady, even though he's great looking, has a model wife.

503
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: He's won a bunch. There's still something about being drafted

504
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: in the sixth round. But I find it incredibly likable

505
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: With Durant. It got tough in Oklahoma City, he left.

506
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: It got a little uncomfortable in the Bay and he left.

507
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: He's got four years left in Brooklyn. He left, Man,

508
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to deny when the going gets tough, he

509
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: gets on a plane. That's kind of what a lot

510
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: of fans see Marcus. No question, And you know, people

511
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: don't remember the early years if you don't stay either,

512
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: right like people fair not nobody's talking about hey man,

513
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City was trashed and then you want sixty games

514
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: a year with him and took them to the finals,

515
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: right Like, people just don't. I don't know if they

516
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: don't have the attention spans or just you lose that

517
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: equity once you leave. But I do I do agree

518
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: that like Yo, we love Jordan because we remember, like

519
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: Jordan was born in rebellion, beef in with the league

520
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: about wearing black songs and the wrong color shoes. Right,

521
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Like he was a he was a rebel from the beginning.

522
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: He was an underdog from the beginning. Now he became

523
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: Jordan and this huge co following. But those of us

524
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: who will fight you in the streets for him, we

525
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: were the ones who remember where he was getting fined

526
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: from black Sompson baggy shorts, right, Steph the same way, right,

527
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: the injuries, the like you know, wasn't supposed to be

528
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: much coming out of Davidson. Like, you get to keep

529
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: that credibility that earned a crude adoration when you stay home.

530
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: And I do think when you leave, people forget. They

531
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: do forget that. Kevin Durant built Oklahoma City into something

532
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: and he endured, and he probably could have left four

533
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: years earlier. Like the choice that we wanted him to make,

534
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: he made it the first time he had to sign

535
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: an extension. And he's like, remember, I'm staying home. I

536
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: don't want to jump, I'm signing a five year ago.

537
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm staying right here. And and I could understand why

538
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: in the player's mind, You're like that has earned me

539
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: the right to leave. I gave you nine years, like

540
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: I did everything I could that has I've earned the

541
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: right to leave. But that's not how fans work. Like

542
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: at that type of rationing out don't work with fans fans,

543
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: But like, yo, you dipped on me, so all that

544
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: stuff previously don't count. It doesn't count, right, That's that's

545
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: that's the game, yo, And you know that's what old

546
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Marfa no Wire said. The game is the game. So

547
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: the Summer League it's much now than five years ago.

548
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: It's always been fun, but I think in the slowest

549
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: time of the sports here, the NBA has done a

550
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: really good job to market it. The NBA game is global,

551
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: there's more people watching it globally. The chet Homegren story

552
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: is fascinating to me because there are moments on the

553
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: floor he looks completely overwhelmed, and then there are moments

554
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: on the floor you're like, there's a lot of dirt Monster.

555
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of dirt Navitski here, but better defensively,

556
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: when you talk to your people that you really trust

557
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: and they they're not getting quoted, it's just talking like

558
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: guys talking. What do they really say about chet Homegren.

559
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I want to see how he passes his test. He's

560
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: got one of embodies that make people think, yeah, he's good,

561
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: but he's soft, right, and they're gonna test him. Right,

562
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna saw Kenny Lofted Junior like I'm gonna put

563
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: my shoulder in your chest to see if you have

564
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: the fortitude to deal with the NBA think they're watching

565
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: to see, Like he's got the skill and anybody can

566
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: develop some form of muscle, like I don't think he

567
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: ever read the White Howard, but he can. He can

568
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: get stronger, right, The question will be can he handle

569
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: dudes coming for him? Not at night in the night out,

570
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: will he wills Like we've seen players who are skilled

571
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: not be able to handle the assault of NBA players

572
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: saying now you, I wonder if you are tough, right,

573
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: Like that's why we love staff right in places like yeah,

574
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: we just picked on them because there's some light skind

575
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: from the suburbs. Man, let me see how tough you are.

576
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: And then they're like, okay, let's go. They're gonna do

577
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: that with chet. I do think most people believe if

578
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: he has that in him, then he's gonna be great,

579
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: Like if he's got it in him to answer back

580
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: to not get broken by it to not become weak,

581
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: to not blame other people. But if he's got the

582
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: mentality to say, all right, i'm gonna getting this gym,

583
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work, and you're not gonna pump me forever.

584
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: If he's got that, then he's gonna be good. If not,

585
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're gonna, Oh, they're gonna try him.

586
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna comfort his chest because it looks very comfortable. Yeah,

587
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: I just made up a word, right there. I'm good

588
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: with it. Are you shocked at what has happened to Westbrook?

589
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: Here's why I'm not shocked because you kind of saw

590
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: this coming where once he lost his athleticism, he would lose,

591
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: he would lose a chunk of his game. But I

592
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: feel like like the what he's lost has sped past

593
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: what his ability is. Right, he still can do some things.

594
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: But I think playing with Lebron being asked to play

595
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: off the ball like that Laker situation really trumped up

596
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: his war question right Like it really it was like

597
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: a blue light, right, you can see, hold on, man,

598
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: you got a lot of stuff on you. Let me stop.

599
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: And I think in other situations you probably don't see

600
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: it as much or if he's got the ball in

601
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: his hand, he's ready to make play. Like you'll see

602
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: some more of the good and less of the bad.

603
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: I do feel like he's being treat it as if

604
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: somebody who can do nothing like that's his market. But

605
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: that's not even his game as much as it is

606
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: how much he's making, right, it's sporties again. It's like, yeah,

607
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for that. But playing in

608
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: that situation, man, I think I think it makes us.

609
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: I think it makes Russell Westbrook look worse than what

610
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: he actually is. Like he can still do something. You

611
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: put him like, you put him on a team like

612
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: we saw on Watchington where he could just cook and

613
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: yeah he'll make mistakes, he'll shoot a lower percentage, but

614
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: you'll see all the great things and what's the rest

615
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: of you do? He just can't do all those things

616
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: next to lebron So all you see is the like

617
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: tworty something percists from three right, That's that's all you see.

618
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: But you put them in a different situation. I think

619
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: he's way better than how we're active. But that's also

620
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: the products you pay in LA because the spotlight is tough, man,

621
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to hold up under it. I

622
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: think the Blue Light comments classic because that's exactly it.

623
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: You have to watch out for what you wish for

624
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: in life. Like you know, in your business, you can

625
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: work for the Akron b and do a great job,

626
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: and then the Washington Post hires you and everybody reads

627
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: you and then they pick apart your work. And I

628
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: think Westbrook off ball is a completely limited player. And

629
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: I also think you know the old saying pride before

630
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: the fall. I think Russell Westbrook is incredibly prideful. Even

631
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: at UCLA. If you remember Marcus, they didn't know what

632
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: they didn't know what to do with him, Like the

633
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Bruins did not know what to do with him. He

634
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: was just talented. And then he goes to Oklahoma City

635
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: and is blamed for k D leaving Okay. Then he

636
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: goes to Houston and he's blamed for that not working.

637
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: So like I get that he's defensive, and like now

638
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: he's blamed for everything, even though a D isn't in

639
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: shape and it's never available. So right now, I feel

640
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: like he's so prideful that the ship's personnel now with them.

641
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: And then you got you know, you got your commentators

642
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: out there making fun of him, and I rip him.

643
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: But there's part of me that has peeled back a

644
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: couple of times, thinking, dude, he's taken. He may not

645
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: be that self aware, but he's taken a beating. He

646
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: has been blamed for every problem, every dat. It's like

647
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: Washington wasn't good before him, and they're not good after him.

648
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: That wasn't a Westbrook issue, you know, Like I don't

649
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: know it wasn't. I think he's still good. I think

650
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: he's still a serviceable player. I wouldn't pay that much

651
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: money for him. I think that's a big problem, like

652
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: him eating up that much of your cap works against him.

653
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: I just it's very uncomfortable to see a dude who's

654
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: that good being treated like some kind of dude who

655
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: to be played a subber league right, And I appreciate

656
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: Darvin hamp saying I'm happy about this. I want to

657
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: see what we can do. I just don't know how

658
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: he does it with the Lakers, whatever it is you

659
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: need him to do, right, whatever the plan is for

660
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: the post thirties Russell Westbrook, for him to ride these

661
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: next few years, if it's maybe to play off off,

662
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: it's maybe to be more of a floor in general,

663
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: if it's to turn into some kind of defensive focus,

664
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: who are he ain't doing it in LA where they

665
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: just dalped him for a year, right, Like he ain't

666
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: gonna be the one to change, Like, hold on, man,

667
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm willing to take the soccer fight fool the team.

668
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: Like look how they like he was the he was

669
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: the outcast, right, he was the guy who was the problem.

670
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: So I feel like he's kind of gotta go somewhere.

671
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: I feel like Russell Westbrook deserves a better ending than this,

672
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, come on, man, this

673
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: is Russell Westbrook, and I always thought he had his flaws,

674
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: like there was limits to how great he is, Like

675
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: there were obvious differences between him and some of the

676
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: elite elite players. But come on, that dude was great.

677
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer and he don't need to

678
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: go out like this man sitting that dude somewhere we

679
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: can see Russell one last time, right, you know, instead

680
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: of like ride now in the shadow of the Lakers drama,

681
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: let's bring in John Middlecop, my buddy, the former NFL scout.

682
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: So I had sat on the show last week, the

683
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: one place now that Baker Mayfield's off the market. The

684
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: one place that felt like it would work for Jimmy

685
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: G was Tampa because he's such a good soldier. He's

686
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: such a good guy that Brady may have more trouble

687
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: with him than Jimmy would have being a backup to Brady.

688
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: But now that Brady's going to leave after the year,

689
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: it's like, I think it'll all be sympatical, Like it's

690
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, Tom's not threatened by him, and Jimmy is

691
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: going to get paid a lot of money to being

692
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: a really good football team. So there was a story

693
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: Sports illustrator reported the Bucks and Jimmy G. What do

694
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you make of it? I mean it would make some sense,

695
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: right if you factor in that they don't really have

696
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they would have been screwed if Tom retired

697
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: this year. What were they going to do? I mean

698
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: that they were in major, major trouble. Like you said,

699
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's either going to the Miami Dolphins next year,

700
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: he's calling a quitz. I mean it's pretty clear. I

701
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: think Jimmy's in a weird spot because he's clearly good

702
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: enough to be a starter at several places. But you know,

703
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: the musical chairs have all ended, and now that Baker.

704
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: Part of the reason to me Baker's there is because

705
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy is a much more reliable human clearly, but he's expensive.

706
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're paying Baker, you know, guaranteed the

707
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: three million dollars. Then depending on how he plays, it

708
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: might be able to it's nothing. Nothing Jimmy is on

709
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: the books for if someone trades for him, unless he

710
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: does some maneuvering. I think it's almost twenty seven million dollars, right,

711
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: So that's not the fifty million dollar quarterback, but that's

712
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: not even the eighteen million that Sam and Baker you know,

713
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: are both on the hook for it now. Obviously Baker's

714
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: getting split up eighteens a lot less than twenty seven.

715
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about it's, you know, middle

716
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: of July. So if Tampa, the thing is, though Jimmy's

717
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: contract ends, right, it's only one more year now, it

718
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: would make sense. Tampa's a good spot. Jason Light new

719
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: England guy, they have some connections. Jimmy's a good guy,

720
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: and he's a solid player, not a great player, not

721
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: a bad player. I think you're really getting a good

722
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: player or a good person who you feel comfortable can

723
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: just get you through some stuff while you figure other

724
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: things out. Yeah, I could see them saying, listen, get

725
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: into our system, watch Tom for a year like you

726
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: did in New England. Tom's leaving the second the season's over,

727
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: and we'll give you two years at the Helm. I

728
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: could see them making a deal, and I could see

729
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: Jimmy G being comfortable with that. He's just a kind

730
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: of guy that it would work. You know, you know

731
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: a lot about the Niners. So Mike Silver was on

732
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: this week, and you know his report was he had

733
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: heard you know, and fans only want rose colored glasses

734
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: when you talk about their team, if you ever criticize

735
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: their team. I mean, I've been making fun of the

736
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: Raiders for twenty years. I've been right twenty straight years

737
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: except last year. And but Trey Lance optically, it's an

738
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: ugly release. It is not pretty. He's not a high

739
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: completion guy. He's never going to be Drew Brees. There's

740
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: stories of arm fatigue. I trust my sources. They're keeping

741
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Jimmy G around. I think they believe that Jimmy. I

742
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: think they believe Trey Lance can win games in this system.

743
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: It's a really favorable quarterback system. Matt Schab made a

744
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl in this, Matt Ryan was an MVP, Jimmy

745
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: Garoppolo and seventy perc out of its games. You're you're

746
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: you're not needing Josh Allen here guy hurdling over people,

747
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson making plays with his feet. This is really built.

748
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: Just don't just don't pull the Mercedes into a tree.

749
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: It is a little concerning, isn't it. When you hear

750
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: various reporters, and I trust my sources that they've got,

751
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: they do worry a little about his accuracy. Yeah, I

752
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: thought the games that he played last year were not pretty.

753
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: But if you were going to give him somewhat of

754
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: a pass, right, small school guy that had the season

755
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: wiped out, hadn't played, so he was going to get

756
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: this off season and I went to a lot of

757
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: the OTA practices, I would say he's improved. But the

758
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: arm release is still a work in progress, right. That

759
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: is something Kyle kind of downplayed it like it's not

760
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: a big deal. They are working on it. I had

761
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: been told in the off season before the practices he

762
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: was trying to short up and there were moments at

763
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: practice where it's like, oh, that looked very compact, got up,

764
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: and then there were other It's just muscle memory, so

765
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: you resort. Josh Allen has a loopier release, but he

766
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: gets rid of it fast. You know, there's a difference

767
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: between having a longer release and still getting rid of

768
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: it quickly and a longer release. You know, Tebow's the

769
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: worst case that takes a long time. Sam Darnold has

770
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: a long, loopier release. Now, the thing differentiates Trey from

771
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: like Sam, for example, he does have power behind it.

772
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Now to me that down the field, he's playing on

773
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: a team Colin with. He has the best left tackle,

774
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: he has arguably the best play caller, one of the

775
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: best two or three. He has a ton of running backs.

776
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: He has a Pro Bowl fullback, a Pro Bowl tight end,

777
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl wide receiver. Brandon i Yuk's good. Juwan

778
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Jennings is going to be a good player. It's a

779
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: perfect situation for the guy. They're gonna run the ball

780
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: a ton. They just need him to be. Jimmy wasn't

781
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: at his moments last year. He's not replacing Tom Brady

782
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: here right, or Aaron Rodgers. So the bar is not

783
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: as is high. I think as we act now where

784
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: the bar is high, the team's good, and the team

785
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: expects to win double digit games competing in the playoffs,

786
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: which is always difficult. You know, if you go back

787
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson, right, and it was different circumstances because

788
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: he was a third round pick. They played defense and

789
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: they ran the ball, and then he slowly became the star.

790
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: I think ultimately it's kind of they want that trajectory, right,

791
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: play good defense, run the ball. Probably have more weapons

792
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: in terms of throwing the ball than Russell did early

793
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: on in his career. But to me, that's going to

794
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: be Kyle's mindset. Which right, there's a story that broke

795
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: this weekend and I don't know what the heck to

796
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: do with it that Zach Wilson's girlfriend broke up with

797
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: him because Zach Wilson is shagging his mom's best friend.

798
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: And I as I read that flying back to l

799
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: I am like, what am I supposed to do with that?

800
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: He's a good looking kid. It's two consenting adults, So

801
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: I'll get past that. But I do think I think

802
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Zach is really an interesting case because Jared Goff looked

803
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: like a complete bust when he had the wrong coach.

804
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Defensive coach. Zach Wilson was wildly inconsistent last year. But

805
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: if you told me I had to pick Zach Wilson

806
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: or Robert Sala going forward, I pick Zach Wilson. I

807
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: think he's got real talent. I think he moves well,

808
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: he's got a really quick release. It's got a lot

809
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: of heat on it. You know, his judgment. He's young.

810
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: Guys do what they do. This story doesn't in any

811
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: way screw up his career. But like if if you

812
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: were if you were this is New York City, they

813
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: have tabloids. If you were in the Jets and read

814
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: that story, would you say oh shit, or would you

815
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: just be like, I don't care. Well, it's it's kind

816
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: of twofold. There's nothing you can do. But you and

817
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: I talked about this last year before the draft. He's

818
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: coming from a you know, Utah and then and then

819
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: at Provo at BYU. It's very isolated area to New

820
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: York where the franchise. Whether he went to the Giants

821
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: or the Jets, it's a disaster, right, So these story

822
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: it's not like they can just talk about, well, they

823
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: won two playoff games last year. This thing is just

824
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna this is gonna be a talking point right there

825
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: with the Yankees for the next week. And I sneaky

826
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: think Colin, there's a lot of pressure on the Jets

827
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: not to make the playoffs. But you can't have another

828
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: four win season. You've got back to back drafts. You

829
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: now have a quarterback, you have multiple wide receivers, drafted

830
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: running back. He draft all these offensive linemen, he signed

831
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: all these defensive guys. Robert Salo was interviewing twice, you know,

832
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Then he finally gets the

833
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: job where he's interviewing everywhere. My issue with younger coaches,

834
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: and I'm a little biased because I worked for coach

835
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Read who calls the plays. I've been around Kyle who

836
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: calls the plays. But when you're a young coach, I

837
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: would say, like forty five and under, and I hire you,

838
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: I want you to call the side of the ball.

839
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: Why I'm hiring you, Like I'm not hiring you for

840
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: to be the CEO, Like you're sixty two year old.

841
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: Robert Salo is in his early forties. The defense was awesome.

842
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: Then he gets the Jets job and he gives it all.

843
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: He gives the defensive coordinator job away, like I want

844
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: him to call places. Look at McVeigh, look at the floor,

845
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: look at Kyle, And I know it's a little different.

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Speaker 1: Coaches can do it on defense and he's not calling defense.

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Speaker 1: It's like he's a good guy. He's a railroad guy.

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Speaker 1: But I'd also like his schematic impact. And that's why

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Speaker 1: you brought Laflour's brother to call the offense. But I

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Speaker 1: think the Jets, you know, I don't think they don't

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Speaker 1: have to win nine ten games to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but I do not think they can just be a

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Speaker 1: train record, Like what's the point of these last two years?

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Speaker 1: You gotta make some progress eventually. Yeah, And it's also

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Speaker 1: troubling because I think Miami smartly pivoted to the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball, and I think two is going

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Speaker 1: to play very well. We know Buffalo is head and

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Speaker 1: shoulders above everybody. I'm gonna pick Miami over New England

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Speaker 1: because I don't think bella check without Tom how about

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Speaker 1: how about how about Josh Colin? Matt Patricia might call

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Speaker 1: their offensive plays. Matt Patricia, that's insane. It's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a disengaged twenty twenty two mess. You know

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Speaker 1: what it goes to show you what the Patriots go

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Speaker 1: to show you in this league, John, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have the right quarterback, shit gets ugly fast. Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be a three win team. Belichick, Zimmer's a

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Speaker 1: very good coach. Vic Fangio is a top five defensive mind.

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Speaker 1: You don't have the quarterback, right, you look like you're lost.

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Speaker 1: I think I think one thing the Patriot people will say, though,

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Speaker 1: is one constant even when Tom left, remember they had

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton somehow went seven to nine, and then last

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Speaker 1: year was Josh. I mean, Josh has been there ninety

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Speaker 1: percent of the time and now he's gone, and he

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Speaker 1: took like they handled Patricia leaving, they handled Floors leaving.

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Speaker 1: They've lost defensive coaches, but for the most part, Josh

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Speaker 1: has been the constant. And the one time they lost Josh,

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien came right in. Obviously he's you know, I

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Speaker 1: know people think he's a village idiot, but he's not

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Speaker 1: that bad obviously, right he went to the playoffs. He's

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Speaker 1: with Nick Saban. I think the Josh lost from people

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Speaker 1: I know that have been around that, I think it

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Speaker 1: could be crippling. No. Eric Mangini, who won three rings

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Speaker 1: there has been very reluctant to ever criticize Belichick. He

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Speaker 1: has told me twice. Oh, I think both times on

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Speaker 1: the air. People do not understand that Josh McDaniels was probably,

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Speaker 1: once Kyle Shanahan got a head coaching job, the best

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Speaker 1: OC in the game and it may not be that close.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you just you know, Josh McDaniels is in

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Speaker 1: that two or three. You know Lafleur was a top OC.

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Speaker 1: Shanahan was. I don't know, you know, we I've said

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Speaker 1: this is that it's Greg Popovich. You age very quickly

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Speaker 1: when the superstar exits, and if you ever believe the

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Speaker 1: culture is bigger than the players, and I think Popovich

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Speaker 1: and Belichick have kind of embraced that, it gets ugly fast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, san Antonio is not in the discussion as

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Speaker 1: a top seven team, eight team in the West. They're

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Speaker 1: just not in that haven't been in years year, and

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