WEBVTT -  Part Three: Jimmy Savile: Britain's Unending Nightmare

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the

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<v Speaker 2>very worst people in all of history. We are starting

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<v Speaker 2>our second week, parts three and four on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the bastardist bastards we'll ever do on this show, Jimmy Savile,

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<v Speaker 2>British broadcaster and pedophile extraordinaire, and to talk with me

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<v Speaker 2>about the latter and worst parts of Jimmy's life and

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<v Speaker 2>career as a fucking monster, the Great Courtney Coosak. Welcome back, Courtney.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for being on. And you've got a book,

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<v Speaker 2>a book that we talked about in the first two parts,

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<v Speaker 2>but are going to plug again.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear God, if you guys haven't already bought my book,

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<v Speaker 1>please do. It is close Girl Gone Wild. It is

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<v Speaker 1>about trying to make it in Hollywood. It's an unwitting

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<v Speaker 1>feminist coming of age and it's the perfect antidote to

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<v Speaker 1>what you're about to hear right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Beautiful. Well, I guess we can't delay it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So last episode we kind of ended by talking about

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<v Speaker 2>one of the girls that Jimmy impregnated. She was this

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<v Speaker 2>one was sixteen. There's a number I came across at

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<v Speaker 2>least two stories, and the I mean at least two

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<v Speaker 2>direct stories and insinuations of a lot more. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we'll ever have an idea of how many girls

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<v Speaker 2>he impregnated. I'm gonna guess often taught. Generally they had

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<v Speaker 2>stories like the lady we talked about where they get

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<v Speaker 2>an illegal abortion, they have health consequences afterwards, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>a I think probably how a lot of these went.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna guess Jimmy paid for a good number of

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<v Speaker 2>those over the years. But the same year that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>which is nineteen sixty four, the London Metropolitan Police received

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<v Speaker 2>a report about a flat in London that was being

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<v Speaker 2>used to pimp out children little girls who is not

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<v Speaker 2>little girls. I think they were mostly like in teens,

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<v Speaker 2>but girls who were in many cases underage, who had

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<v Speaker 2>escaped from a nearby facility. For I wrote for a

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<v Speaker 2>facility for female juvenile offenders. That's not entirely accurate. It

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<v Speaker 2>was called the Duncroft Approved School, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it more later, but it's some of these girls got

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<v Speaker 2>in legal trouble, you know, committing some sort of crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>will underage. Some of them are just have behavioral problems.

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<v Speaker 2>This place seems to be a mix of like a

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<v Speaker 2>juvenile reform school and a place kind of one of

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<v Speaker 2>those like troubled teen camps that parents send their kids

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<v Speaker 2>too if they're not obeying enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so some of these girls are escaping from the

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<v Speaker 2>Duncroft School and they're winding up at this flat where

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<v Speaker 2>they're being pimped out as child prostitutes. And the London

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<v Speaker 2>Met bust this place in nineteen sixty four, and in

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<v Speaker 2>their notes at the time there's like detectives right that

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savill was a repeat visitor to the home while

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<v Speaker 2>it was operational as a pedophile. Broad right, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>go after him or anything. He doesn't get charged with anything.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like, oh, Jimmy Savile's going to this brothel for

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<v Speaker 2>children an office.

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<v Speaker 1>Famous teenage brothel.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, yeah, this brothel for teenage girls who have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten in trouble with the law. Interesting, not worth looking

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<v Speaker 2>and do further. So that does, though, beg the question

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<v Speaker 2>how did he get away with this? And Davies gives

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<v Speaker 2>us a good idea of how in his book in

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<v Speaker 2>Play in Sight, when he describes an interview where Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>discussed one time that he nearly got arrested because and

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's telling this to a reporter as like for laughs basically,

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<v Speaker 2>and he talks about this too. We're like, well, there's

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<v Speaker 2>always these a lot of underage girls hanging out around

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<v Speaker 2>my office. And I got in trouble at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>like someone called the police about it because they thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was suspicious, and so I had to sit down

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<v Speaker 2>for an interview with the police chief. And I told him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that your sixteen year old daughter comes in here,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you would you rather she was safe with me

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<v Speaker 2>or being preyed on by all those scumbacks and slags?

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<v Speaker 1>What again?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell the journalist this, and I think, like the seventies

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<v Speaker 2>of the eighties, He's just like, yeah, you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>get angry at me for all the underage girls I

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<v Speaker 2>hang out around, but some of them are the children

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<v Speaker 2>of cops.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I'm just here to protect him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to keep them safe. They get into trouble

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<v Speaker 2>if they weren't around. Jimmy Savil, Oh my god, gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Good times. So Roger Holt, Roger, Yeah, not good times.

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Holt was a record industry ad man in like

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties and seventies. He's he's a guy like basically

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<v Speaker 2>helping to there's a lot of paola going on in

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<v Speaker 2>this period of time in the record industry. So his

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<v Speaker 2>job is basically to bribe big DJs into playing specific

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<v Speaker 2>records or specific songs, right. And there's a number of

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<v Speaker 2>ways that they would do this. Sometimes you're just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>giving him gifts or hooking them up with, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>concert tickets they can give out on the air. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it's more direct, we're bribing people. As we've talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>some of these DJs are getting bribed in girls. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that I'm saying Holt did that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what Holt did specifically, but he's a record industry ad

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<v Speaker 2>man during this period of time, and he visited Saffle's

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<v Speaker 2>Radio one office regularly throughout the sixties. He would later

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<v Speaker 2>tell Davies that the DJs love for young girls was

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<v Speaker 2>an open secret quote I heard through his office just

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<v Speaker 2>in conversation. Jimmy's added again that's how people would talk

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<v Speaker 2>about him molesting teenagers. This did not strike anyone. It

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<v Speaker 2>struck people as a bit odd. They're talking about it obviously, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was odd for DJs to I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly wasn't uncommon for DJs to be in like

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<v Speaker 2>close quarters with sixteen and seventeen year old girls, which

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<v Speaker 2>again was legal at the time. But it's notable that

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy is exclusively going for girls that age and younger,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to that just being a thing, which I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying it's okay when it was the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>happened sometimes for guys, but people that time are like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy really prefers them really young, often illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>So didn't just slip through the cracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, So yeah, what's important is you understand that

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's love of young girls was seen as noteworthy and

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, but was far from an aberration within his

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<v Speaker 2>professional circles and certainly wasn't seen as like a reason

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<v Speaker 2>to discipline him or look into it any further. What

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<v Speaker 2>made Jimmy weird, and the thing people did note about

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<v Speaker 2>him at the time is that he doesn't he's not

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<v Speaker 2>into the social side of the music business. Most people

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<v Speaker 2>who are like DJs or record engineers are like hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with other people in the business, right, They like

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<v Speaker 2>like the culture around it, and they're interested in like

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<v Speaker 2>the creative aspect of it too, Like they like making music,

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<v Speaker 2>and they like they're interested in how music gets made.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's not interested in any of that, and he's not

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<v Speaker 2>interested in like socializing with his colleagues. In fact, he

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<v Speaker 2>has almost no relationship with other DJs, which is seen

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of weird. As mister Holt told an interviewer,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just a very strange person. You couldn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation with him. I used to see him

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<v Speaker 2>at Top of the Pops and I didn't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>him unless I had to go to his dressing room.

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<v Speaker 2>When I had to go to his dressing room, the

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<v Speaker 2>last time I was there, there weren't any young girls

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<v Speaker 2>in there, but there were a lot of his mates

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought were as weird as he was. There

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely a click in that dressing room. Now he's

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<v Speaker 2>just saying the last time he visited, it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of girls, it was his friends. Weird friends. What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of clique do you think Jimmy Saffle's hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>with if it's not other DJs?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I mean, the word is click first of all.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you can say it's a click, but thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>My interpretation of the evidence I have is that Jimmy's issue,

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<v Speaker 2>one of Jimmy's issues with his fellow dj he has

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<v Speaker 2>a couple issues with his fellow DJs. One is they're

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<v Speaker 2>really reckless, Like they're not careful at all about the

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<v Speaker 2>Kola stuff. Oh they're not like you know, remember that

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<v Speaker 2>speech he gave about being clever versus being tricky. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he would say they were clever and he's tricky,

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<v Speaker 2>and he didn't want to hang out with the clever

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<v Speaker 2>guys because he knew the clever guys were gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>busted being clever, whereas he doesn't want to get busted,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's gonna stay tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The other side of that, what I think is also

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<v Speaker 2>accurate and probably more worth mentioning, is that most of

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<v Speaker 2>those DJs are having sex with teenagers kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the whole point. It's like a bit. It

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<v Speaker 2>gets a side part of what they're doing. And their

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<v Speaker 2>lives are not.

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<v Speaker 4>Sexually assaulting children, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they are sometimes, but it's not their primary motivating fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's primary motivating factor is being able to sexually assault children.

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<v Speaker 5>So the fuck is in his clique?

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<v Speaker 2>Great question. We know that one of his close friends

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<v Speaker 2>as early as nineteen sixty six was a member of

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<v Speaker 2>the British Royal family, and in fact, the person who

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<v Speaker 2>introduces Jimmy to the British Royal family, Lord Lewis Mountbatten,

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<v Speaker 2>like the.

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<v Speaker 6>Lord matted, like like.

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<v Speaker 4>Prince Philip, like father figure to kick.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles like, yeah, that's his name, that's his real name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the Lord mount Batton, Yes, that was his

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<v Speaker 2>name was. We'll talk about that in a second, so

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<v Speaker 2>me mount Batten.

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<v Speaker 7>Whoa oh yeah, oh yeah, they were They introduce Jimmy

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<v Speaker 7>to the family.

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<v Speaker 4>Lunch clubs together and shiit, what's the vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about what they might have been doing together,

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<v Speaker 2>because these are the royals, you know, we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>perfect information about what was going on behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>but mount Baton introduces him to people like Prince Andrew,

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<v Speaker 2>who's been in the news lately, and of course Prince Charles.

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<v Speaker 2>Discuss all that later, but let's talk about Lord mount

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<v Speaker 2>Batten for a moment, right. So he dies in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine. He again, he and Jimmy meet in.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen so this guy is do you know how he

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<v Speaker 4>dies and shit like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, he gets blown up by the IRA on

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<v Speaker 2>a boat in nineteen seventy nine. Because Lord Mountbatten was

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<v Speaker 2>rerored by the.

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<v Speaker 4>US FBI also on that boat, Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>That part maybe not nailed it perfectly, but you did

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<v Speaker 2>note that there were children on the boat, Sophie. Lord

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<v Speaker 2>Mountbatten was rumored to be a pedophile on a massive scale. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not ideal. So yeah, you were saying something, Courtney.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so this is Philip's dad.

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<v Speaker 7>No father figure, no, no, no, not father figure, not direct,

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<v Speaker 7>but but he he does take the mount Baton name Philip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he does, right, I'm not an expert on the Royals,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's mount Batton who is introduces Jimmy to the

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<v Speaker 2>family and mount Baton is rumored by the FBI before

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<v Speaker 2>his death to be a pedophile and a like a

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<v Speaker 2>major pedophile. The website Irish Central quotes from an interview

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<v Speaker 2>with Anthony Daly, who worked as a rent boy for

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<v Speaker 2>London's upper crust in the seventies. That means he was

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<v Speaker 2>a young male prostitute for like rich guys in London

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies and he recalled quote Mount Batten had

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<v Speaker 2>something of a fetish for uniforms. Handsome young men in

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<v Speaker 2>military uniforms with high boots and beautiful boys in school uniforms.

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<v Speaker 2>Great stuff. Now, I don't know that Mount Batten and

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Saville hit it off because they love molesting boys together.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have evidence of that, but we know Saville

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<v Speaker 2>loved to molest boys as well as girls, very getting

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<v Speaker 2>down to very young boys. These stories did not come

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<v Speaker 2>out as early as the reports of Saville abusing and

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<v Speaker 2>having sex with teenaged girls, right, but they do come

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<v Speaker 2>out later in life, and we have quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence of this. And one of these accounts, which

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the book In Plain Sight, is particularly horrifying

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<v Speaker 2>because it comes from Guy Marsden, who was Jimmy Saville's nephew.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of Savill's older sister sons. And he

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<v Speaker 2>runs away as a teenage boy after repeated trouble with

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<v Speaker 2>the law. He's just one of these kids who gets

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble and he and like three of his friends

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<v Speaker 2>hitchhike to London. I'm guessing they lived around Leeds or something,

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<v Speaker 2>just based on where the family comes from, and they

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<v Speaker 2>spent their first days bumming around Euston Station, which they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know at that point in time was a common

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<v Speaker 2>pick cup point for men seeking other men or sometimes boys.

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<v Speaker 2>After several hours waiting around, one man offered to put

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<v Speaker 2>Marsden and his friends up at a flat nearby. They

0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.480
<v Speaker 2>came over and these guys are, you know, chilling at

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<v Speaker 2>this flat. You have to assume paying with their bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for privileged somewhat, but that's what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And after a couple of days of this, Jimmy Savile

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<v Speaker 2>shows up. Now guy is terrified at first because he

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<v Speaker 2>assumes his uncle has been sent there to bring him

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<v Speaker 2>home and probably knock him around a bit, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks he's in trouble. And instead Jimmy's like surprised

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<v Speaker 2>to see them. And it's basically like, hey, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you guys come with me? And I'm going to quote

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<v Speaker 2>now from end plain sight. Marsden claimed that Uncle Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>moved the runaways into a house over the ensuing weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>He also took the boys to a number of parties.

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<v Speaker 2>There were no women at these soirees, only men and children.

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<v Speaker 2>Marsden maintained that he realized immediately what sort of parties

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<v Speaker 2>they were. One of the houses he described as being

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<v Speaker 2>particularly memorable. The big feature of it were when you

0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.120
<v Speaker 2>went in the swimming pool. He explained. It were a

0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.280
<v Speaker 2>room with a big swimming and it were so inviting.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody used it and we're diving into it. It had

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<v Speaker 2>lights in it, it was lit up. It was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>All you wanted to do was stay there forever. Marsden

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<v Speaker 2>said he believes the house belonged to a famous pop

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<v Speaker 2>impresario at the time. Don't know who that is. Might

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple theories. So what this is is some

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<v Speaker 2>of the better evidence that I found so far to

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that Jimmy Savill was not just a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>abused a lot of kids at scale, but was part

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<v Speaker 2>of an or several organized networks of child abuse and exploitation.

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<v Speaker 4>He's sex drafting children, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He's and he's part of like a club of guys

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<v Speaker 2>who were doing that. And because these kids.

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<v Speaker 7>Sexually assaulting and sex trafficking children in a coort organized way,

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<v Speaker 7>is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and that's that is what this account suggests.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's there's some other things that suggest this too.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this is not a thing where like we

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<v Speaker 2>have perfect this has not been export for example, the

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<v Speaker 2>extent that like the Epstein networks have been, in part

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<v Speaker 2>because this stuff doesn't really start coming out until so

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<v Speaker 2>much later. But what Marsden alleges is that these kids,

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<v Speaker 2>some of these kids are being molested by the rich

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<v Speaker 2>and famous men who attend the parties, not actually like

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<v Speaker 2>most of them necessarily, which is an interesting point and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna explain that in a bit. But Marsden claims

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<v Speaker 2>that quote from time to time, they the boys were

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<v Speaker 2>led into rooms with adult males. Noises could be heard

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<v Speaker 2>coming from inside. None of these kids were stressed. It

0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.400
<v Speaker 2>was as though they were really really enjoying what they

0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.640
<v Speaker 2>were doing. That's the sad part, really, and that's not

0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.600
<v Speaker 2>as strange as it sounds. These are all very poor kids.

0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Many of them have been kicked out of their homes

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<v Speaker 2>for being queer. These kids are living on the street,

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<v Speaker 2>They are eating basically by prostituting themselves, and have probably

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<v Speaker 2>in general probably have been abused and raped and molested

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<v Speaker 2>quite a few times. And this is still more of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the difference is now these boys are getting paid,

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<v Speaker 2>they're spending all of their time they're living when they're

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<v Speaker 2>not participating in these parties at these various mansions and palaces.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're getting to live. These kids who have been

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<v Speaker 2>on the street are getting to live that one percent

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<v Speaker 2>er lifestyle at the price of being repeatedly raped. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening here, and it says a lot about the

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<v Speaker 2>desperation of their lives that a lot of these kids

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<v Speaker 2>at the time are like, Okay, this is a worthwhile

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<v Speaker 2>trade in for me. Right now, after some time at

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<v Speaker 2>any one location, they would be put in a car

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<v Speaker 2>and taken to a new location. Some parties would go

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<v Speaker 2>on for days and would involve multiple different venues. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>per Marsden's account, a lot of, if not most, of

0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the boys aren't being molested, and that's for a reason.

0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.880
<v Speaker 2>The kids whoul attend these parties range in ages up

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<v Speaker 2>to their late teens, so anywhere from six to ten

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and Marsden says most of the kids who

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<v Speaker 2>were taken into rooms to be abused by adults were

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<v Speaker 2>six to ten years old. Right, the older teens aren't

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<v Speaker 2>being as often molested, according to Marsden's account, and he

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<v Speaker 2>says he was never abused himself. Maybe he's lying about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I he provides a pretty decent explanation as to

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<v Speaker 2>why that would be. As he posited, quote, someone must

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<v Speaker 2>have had an idea that we would be a good

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<v Speaker 2>intermediary for these kids. It might have stressed them if

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<v Speaker 2>there were only adult men. So you've got the older

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<v Speaker 2>teens there, so the younger boys don't think this is

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<v Speaker 2>weird and don't get as scared, and so they can

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<v Speaker 2>kind of be like, just go do it, It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The older teen boys are getting something out

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<v Speaker 2>of this too. That's kind of what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so that was my job on the Girl's Gone

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<v Speaker 1>Wild tour was just to be the girl, so the

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<v Speaker 1>other girls felt comfortable on the bus sadly.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait, Roberts, so you're saying, so what are the ages

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<v Speaker 7>of these boys? Their ages anywhere from what to what?

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<v Speaker 2>The kids being molested, he says, are generally six to ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Marsden I think was more like fifteen or sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>the older teen boys are anywhere, like, you know, eleven

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<v Speaker 2>or twelve to like you know, sixteen, seventeen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably would be seventeen be probably the oldest so all.

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<v Speaker 7>Of these boys are being sexually abused, even if they

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<v Speaker 7>aren't aware that they're being sexually abused, because they're being

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<v Speaker 7>taken advantage of by adults.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all being abused. They're not all being physically sexually abused.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Marsden. Oh so the older boys are there,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's like it's abusive to put a sixteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old in a situation where they're like encouraging an eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old to go get molested in order to have

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<v Speaker 2>a roof over their head. That's a fundamentally abusive thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're not necessarily being physically molested because their purpose

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 2>is to be there to normalize the situation for the

0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.680
<v Speaker 2>kids who are the real targets. Right, That's what Marston describes,

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<v Speaker 2>And that makes sense to me. I mean, like, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said, Courtney, there's yeah, like it's I don't doubt this.

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<v Speaker 1>Account understood makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So again his account is not that Savill is like

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<v Speaker 2>the organizer or the main guy behind it. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>a member of this network of very elite pedophiles. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are very wealthy, they have massive properties. They're

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<v Speaker 2>probably often doing this like miles away from civilization, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this is happening on these big English estates

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<v Speaker 2>where you're kind of a law into yourself. You know,

0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.240
<v Speaker 2>you're going to go run to the cops out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in the middle of pasture land and shit, right,

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.960
<v Speaker 2>there's like forests and stuff. Some of these properties have

0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.239
<v Speaker 2>thousands of acres to them. So and we see in

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<v Speaker 2>this and the way this is set up an echo

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<v Speaker 2>of how Savill abused the young, like the teenage girls

0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.240
<v Speaker 2>who were like fans of pop music who came to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the girls who showed up outside of his

0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.000
<v Speaker 2>office or went to shows and hung out with him

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.280
<v Speaker 2>before and after shows are not being molested by him.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't quote unquote pick most of them. And that

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<v Speaker 2>fact helps to hide what's going on and make it

0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.400
<v Speaker 2>seem believable that this is normal and acceptable because most

0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:58.680
<v Speaker 2>of the girls you talk to be like, oh yeah,

0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Jimy's a little weird, but it's fine because they're not

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.639
<v Speaker 2>all the target. Right. Does that all make sense in

0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 2>terms of like how he's structuring this abuse.

0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Very sophisticated pedophelia.

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<v Speaker 2>To get away with it as long as he was,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be good at it, you know. He's

0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.840
<v Speaker 2>also lucky. He benefits from it for a lot of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>But like he's set this up for this way for

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<v Speaker 2>a reason, because it works. So Marsden says he never

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.080
<v Speaker 2>saw his uncle abuse any boys at these parties. I

0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Maybe he didn't. Maybe he was primarily at

0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the parties to get access or to get favors for

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<v Speaker 2>other things. Maybe he's just not into it in that venue.

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.840
<v Speaker 2>We know he abused young boys. I think the youngest

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I've heard of was five, So we know he abused

0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.040
<v Speaker 2>young boys, but he may not have done it at

0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.320
<v Speaker 2>these particular parties for some reason. Maybe this is just

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.159
<v Speaker 2>something he saw as useful to like facilitate the moving

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.399
<v Speaker 2>of his career. Right. So again, we know he bonds

0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.080
<v Speaker 2>with Lord Mountbatten in sixty six. We know in sixty

0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.240
<v Speaker 2>six he's doing stuff like this. We know Lord mount

0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Matton's probably doing stuff like this. My guess is that

0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.239
<v Speaker 2>this is how they've become friends, right, And we do

0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.160
<v Speaker 2>know there's also versions of these parties that are being

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.640
<v Speaker 2>held with teenaged girls and a different set of rich

0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and famous creeps right where there's no boys, but there's

0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 2>rich and famous men. And then there's like fourteen to

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.359
<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old girls. Right, we also know that version

0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and probably younger. We know that version.

0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 3>VOT.

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<v Speaker 2>There's parties like that going on too, I say, yeah, yeah, anyway,

0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.600
<v Speaker 2>none of this weirdness, none of the fact that's going on,

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 2>is enough to get the BBC to shy away from Jimmy.

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's rumors around him, people talk about him

0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.840
<v Speaker 2>liking him young. He makes some comments about that fuck

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<v Speaker 2>is wrong. BBC doesn't give a shit. Oh, they don't

0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.840
<v Speaker 2>give a fuck about any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>He is.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they're going to be a major engine of

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>abuse for Jimmy Savil. The BBC doesn't isn't just he's

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.959
<v Speaker 2>not just a BBC employee who abuses people. He utilizes

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the resources of the BBC to aid him in abusing people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a major part of this story. At the start

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.639
<v Speaker 2>of the nineteen seventies, they give him a radio one show,

0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Savell's Travels, which also turns into a BBC TV show.

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's called Savill's Yorkshire Travels. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a couple. I don't understand the BBC's weird A lot

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 2>of these shows aren't really archived in full anymore so

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I but he does both. It's a radio show that

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<v Speaker 2>comes like a TV.

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<v Speaker 7>Watch this really odd guy go to places.

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.640
<v Speaker 2>He lives in a caravan, which is like an RV

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>or trailer basically, and he's traveling around the country talking

0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 2>to people. You know, it's like his Anthony Bourdain type deal. Right,

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>That's that's what people are getting out of it.

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't like, I don't like that person.

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not great. I'm not not in that, but like

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of the appeal is he's like this

0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.399
<v Speaker 2>regular guy. He's showing you the regular guy's view of

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.959
<v Speaker 2>these different places in Yorkshire or wherever. So that starts

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.680
<v Speaker 2>in like the at the beginning of the seventies. Now,

0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.280
<v Speaker 2>by the start of that decade, Savill had already established

0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 2>a strong reputation as a charitable fundraisers. We've said, anytime

0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.919
<v Speaker 2>he's doing events, he's often having his salary donated to

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.200
<v Speaker 2>charity's you know, he starts raising money. There's this thing

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.359
<v Speaker 2>people are doing sometimes where like you'll push someone in

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.399
<v Speaker 2>like a wheelchair for a distance and you know people

0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.280
<v Speaker 2>will like pave It's like these different kind of like

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, run for cancer type charities. You know, he's

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.199
<v Speaker 2>doing some stuff like that. In nineteen seventy one, he

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 2>participates in his most ambitious charity drive yet, an eight

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy six mile walk, and he's he does

0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 2>this with his Savals travels motor pool traveling behind him.

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.199
<v Speaker 2>So he's like sleeping in the caravan at night, and

0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 2>he's walking all day and people are like joining him

0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.439
<v Speaker 2>at varying points on the march. This is like a

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>thirty one day event, and he's never really alone during this.

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:49.320
<v Speaker 2>He's constantly being followed by people. Sometimes, like people who

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.199
<v Speaker 2>are in wheelchairs show up and he'll push them for

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 2>a while hundreds of folks march alongside them. Jimmy wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in his column the next week, quote, I've wheeled cripples

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.560
<v Speaker 2>along in wheelchairs who didn't want to be like I've

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.199
<v Speaker 2>pushed prams with assorted babies in I've slowed down to

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a shuffle with a ninet year old lady gripping my arm,

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and sped up fleet footed downhill with an entire youth

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 2>club tailing behind, like Hayley's comment. And this actually ends

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 2>with one of his first direct things with the fucking

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 2>British Royal Marines, which we're not going to talk about

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>enough in these episodes, But the Royal Marines like show

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>up to march with him. At the end of his march,

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>he does a lot of events with them. He becomes

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 2>an honorary member of the Royal He loves the fucking

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Royal Marines. It's a proud, proud part of the history

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>of the Royal Marines is Jimmy Stavile got to be

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>a member. Great stuff.

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Wow, speaks full of the organization.

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He does a lot of lung He does a

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of marathons, He does a lot of marches for charity,

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:49.199
<v Speaker 2>does a lot of wheelchair pushes, all of these to

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 2>raise money for good causes. Savill continued to make outrageous

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 2>demands when he would agree to participate in these events,

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.919
<v Speaker 2>as he had earlier in his career. During a fundraiser

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 2>where he pushed a patient in a wheelchair from Rochester

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>to Bromley, Saville admitted to press that he'd given this

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 2>demand to the event organizer. Find me a blonde teenage

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 2>bird who lives in a house with the drive so

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.439
<v Speaker 2>I can park outside, so she can wake me up

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>in the morning with tea at eight o'clock. The organizer agreed.

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 2>This is just in the press. God, oh, Jimmy, he

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 2>loves those blonde teenage birds.

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:23.919
<v Speaker 2>But he's doing good. He's raising so much money for

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 2>good causes. You know, why be angry at him for

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 2>being just a little bit odd, right, He couldn't possibly

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 2>be hurting anybody you know who else? Oh?

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, because he's a petophile.

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Sorry yeah, yeah, transition you know who's not a That's

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 2>not a good ad pivot anyway, Let's forget I tried

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 2>to do that.

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Here's some ass I.

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Am we'd back. So, after committing or committing completing his

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 2>nearly nine hundred mile march, was awarded the Order of

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 2>the British Empire or ob which is just a step

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 2>under knighthood. Now, this entitled him to sign his name

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savile Obe, which he does on his subsequent autobiography

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>that comes out not long after this, and interviews at

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>the time. He is vocally thrilled by the recognition, which

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:22.160
<v Speaker 2>elevated him to a level of social respectability other DJs

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>simply lacked. Here's a photo of him after his investiture

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>at Buckingham Palace. There's Jimmy savill Obe. He's got like

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 2>a normal suit on for once in his fucking life.

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And he's got this big metal they give you when

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 2>you get the obe. He's smoking one of his cigars.

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>He's got a fucking pinky ring on and the top

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>hat and his his fucking peroxide white hair, just his

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>hair like no business around teenage making.

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 5>Making the pinky ring look bad and shit like it's

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 5>fucked up.

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's not a darker part of Pinky Ring history.

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Pinky Ring history and Royal Marine Corps history both both

0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 2>not low points of both. So Savill's Yorkshire Travels, his

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>like TV show version of this radio thing hits the air.

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy two, just before that happened. Per the book,

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>in Plane Sight, the body of fifteen year old Claire

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 2>McAlpin was discovered by her mother, surrounded by empty pill

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>bottles and a red diary. In her diary, she had

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 2>obviously committed suicide, and in her diary she repeatedly mentioned

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the sex that she had had with top BBC disc

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>jockeys that she had met while dancing for Top of

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the Pops. And again, she's fifteen, This is underaged, this

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>is statutory rape. That's what she's writing. About multiple disc

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>jockeys at Top of the Pops at the BBC's hit

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>show Top of the Pops rape this girl. Saville is

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 2>believed to be one of them, Like we know he

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>was one of them, right, But he mostly stays out

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>of the fallout around this story because by this point

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>he's expanded beyond just being a DJ. So the actual

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like scandal around Claire MacAlpin's suicide and around all of this,

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's not just her. There's a couple of other

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>girls that they find out were being trafficked basically to

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>BBC disc jockeys as part of like a Paola scam.

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's the primary thing that blows up into a scandal,

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>is that a lot of these like DJs who would

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 2>like it get brought in from the pirate world, are

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 2>accepting fucking sex with teenage girls as a form of

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 2>payola for playing songs. Right, That's primarily the big scandal

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that happens here, and that's obviously not what people should

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 2>have been most angry about, and it's not the only

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 2>thing that they're angry about. Some of these guys get

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 2>in trouble, but not Jimmy, right, He's never a focus

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 2>of these investigations, because by the time this all blows up,

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of moved on, right, Like he's he's still

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>doing Top of the Pops from time to time. He's

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.919
<v Speaker 2>still a DJ, but he's like increasingly starting to be

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>like a TV and radio star for other reasons. And

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 2>so he's just not at the center of this stuff.

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>But a good friend of his was he was like.

0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>One of the main Top of the Pops guys, wasn't he.

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, But he's not socially a part of that circle.

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 2>So most of the accounts they're getting and most of

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>what blows up is involving other guys and sample we

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 2>just kind of know he was involved, but he's not

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 2>like at the center of this. And he may not

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 2>have actually taken payola. He may have just been molesting

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>teenage girls, like we know he was doing a lot.

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 2>He may not have actually taken we don't know, like,

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.360
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't get in trouble for this, whereas other

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>guys do. And one of these other guys is a

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>member of his clique, Harry Goodwin, who was a photographer

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>for Top of the Pops. Undercover journalists recorded Goodwind bragging

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 2>about taking pornographic photos of I mean, and these are

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I think most of these are Sea Sam right. I

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>guess it depends on the age of consent. But he's

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>taking he's making child pornography with pictures of underaged girls.

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I assume some not all underage, but most of them

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>probably are. And he's also making movies, you know, quote

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 2>unquote movies of the statutory rape occurring he's discussed, and

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>he's playing these. He's selling these movies to pop stars,

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 2>not only in the industry.

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 4>Despicably gross and.

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Good friend h yeah, he must be by now great

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, and he gets in some trouble for this,

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 2>so you know, again close friend of Jimmy's here making

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:24.479
<v Speaker 2>child pornagre or child sex abuse content of varying sorts.

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>So a few people's careers end over this, but again

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 2>not Jimmy's, because he's moved on. Savell's travels keeps him

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>on the road and makes his fame much broader than

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>just pop music at a time when he desperately needed that.

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Of course, this doesn't stop him from committing sex crimes.

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>There were almost immediately complaints along his route of travel

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>that Savell now well into his thirties was molesting kids.

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Radio one controller Douglas Muggridge asked the station press officer,

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Rodney Collins to make sure to check and see if

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 2>any local newspapers in areas Savile had gone through planned

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to print any rumors about his behavior. As mister call

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>later told the BBC, there were allegations that there were

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 2>girls underage, girls involved, maybe in the caravan. However, the

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>newspapers that mister Collins talked to insisted they were unwilling

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>to print allegations against Saville, whether they were true or not,

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>because of all of his charity work and because he

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.239
<v Speaker 2>was quote perceived as a very popular man. So this

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>guy's for the BBC looking into like, hey, are you

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>going to print any rumors to see if we need

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to like bribe these guys or threaten them to stop it. Yeah,

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>And the papers are like, we weren't going to publish it,

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 2>even if it is true that he's molesting girls, you know,

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>because of all of his charity work.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>He's a good guy.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>He's doing so much good stuff, you know. Yeah, Is

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 2>it so bad that he's molested children on while he

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>does this charity work?

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Is someone's got to raise money for charity. You know,

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>why not let it be a pedophile. A lot of reasons. Yeah,

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>So again he's like part of what he's doing on

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>camera for these shows is he's like visiting mom and

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 2>pop restaurants and cafes and clubs. He's talking to regular

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>people in a way that no besuited, highly educated, traditional

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>reporter could have done. And there's a number of reasons

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>why Jimmy is so popular. One is that, again, there

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>had been like a BBC voice. There had been like

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>a voice that radio announcers when they start doing television

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>TV announcers are supposed to sort of have to kind

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>of be proper and to do the job the right way.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>And this is a very like this is a system

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that is primarily set up for people with specific educations

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>from specific institutions, and they talk in specific ways. And

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's a former coal miner from the north voices the

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 2>accent of the northern part of the country is seen

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>as more authentic in the UK, kind of in the

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>same way as like a southern twang is seen as

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>both evidence that you might be a redneck and that

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you're an honest assault of the earth. Real American, Like,

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 2>he's got an accent that works for him in that way,

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>that makes him seem like a trustworthy, working class dude,

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and people are just kind of starved for that. In

0:31:57.840 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Great Britain at this time, there's not a lot of

0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>it in their popular media. And this is part of

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 2>why he's so rapidly popular is a lot of folks

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>in the poorer northern parts of the country see themselves

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 2>represented in Jimmy and the fact that he kind of

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>dresses like a weirdo is like, yeah, but he's our weirdo.

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Why should he have to wear a monkey suit like

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>all these fancy guys. That's kind of and it helps

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to it helps to camouflage him, you know. The popularity

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 2>is part of the camouflage.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>He's got five different covers. He's a genius.

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>He's good at it. Unfortunately, most of the initial run

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>of Saval's travels took place in Yorkshire, and a BBC

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 2>article in May of twenty thirteen, less than a year

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>after Savle's crimes became were made public, West Yorkshire Police

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>noted that they had recorded evidence of at least seventy

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 2>nine offenses by Savile against seventy one separate people. Quote

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 2>per the PBC, thirty five attacks by the broadcaster in

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>hospitals involved complainants ranging from age five to forty five.

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>The West Yorkshire Police figures show Saval target eighteen victims

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>at private addresses and leeds in Bradford. Now again, a

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>year after he dies and these stories come out within

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the first year, West Yorkshire Police have recorded seventy nine

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 2>offenses against seventy one people. That's not how many victims

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>he had. That's what they record decades after the fact,

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>when it's finally okay to talk about he's abusing hundreds

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>of people in West Yorkshire alone. Right, we'll talk about

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>We have no idea how his total number of victims,

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>but we'll talk about what we know about it. I

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>just need you to understand this is like an every

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 2>night thing for him. He is abusing people with tremendous

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 2>startling regularity. In nineteen seventy two. Yeah, sorry, that's like, No.

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Five is so young. You said the range was five

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to forty five, five.

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 2>To forty five in that area a year after the

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>investigation starts.

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's nauseating. I didn't even think he went that old.

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But the young end of his rage is truly.

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>In like the eighties. Yeah, yeah, the young end is

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>real bleak. In nineteen seventy two, Jimmy had a radio

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 2>documentary made about him, The World of Jimmy safvill Obe.

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.720
<v Speaker 2>It attempted to investigate who Jimmy was as a person,

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 2>something that had already proven nearly impossible for interfy words

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 2>to nail down. Jimmy himself claimed to have nothing to

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>hide from people. Quote, they ask me, are you queer?

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I say no, But if I felt that way, I

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 2>would have been. They asked me, why don't you get married?

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>I say, well, I've never felt the need. I've got

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>nothing to hide from people, And when you come to

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 2>think about it, I lead a dead simple sort of life,

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>which is okay and definitely enough for me. Simple. Now,

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Jimmy has been awarded the Order of

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 2>the British Empire, as I noted earlier, it makes it

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>possible for him to enter these higher echelons of British society,

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't guarantee that he'll make friends and find

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 2>influence there. To do that, he's going to need to

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>put in work, and initially it seems Jimmy tries to

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 2>hedge his bets by getting in good with politicians on

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 2>both sides of the aisle. In an article for The

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Tribune Feral Kinney Wrights during the politically Feebriles nineteen seventies,

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Savill appears to have hedged his bets filming a nineteen

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 2>seventy four party political broadcast with Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe.

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Liberal politician Cyril Smith, who would be unmasked as a

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>pedophile in the aftermath of Savill's death, enjoyed a light

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>entertainment run on Savile's Clunk Clink program. So he does

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 2>talk to in the seventies, he's hanging out and kind

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 2>of boosting liberal politicians, and he will later boost conservative politicians.

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>But one of the liberal politicians he boosts, Cyril Smith

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and has on his show a bunch of times, is

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 2>unmasked as a pedophile. Two that's going to be a

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 2>habit for like friends of Jimmy's. We've talked to two

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>three so far Lord Mountbatten, the dude, the photographer on

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 2>the show, and this fucking politician. So that's three pedophiles.

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Had a Jimmy sapfle friends already Click yeah, the click,

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 2>and also he knows him Prince Andrew. Are buddies know

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 2>what Prince Andrew's getting up to? No longer Prince Andrew.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy five, Jimmy Savill did something rare, which

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 2>is that he officially becomes a bigger TV star than

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 2>he had ever been like a radio star. This is

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the moment where he fully crosses over and from this

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>point on he's not going to be primarily known as

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a DJ. He's going to be primarily known for his

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>work on BBC TV. The BBC gives him like a

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 2>dedicated show called Jim Will Fix It, which airs for

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the first time in nineteen seventy five in a seventy

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>four to seventy five and a primetime spot on Saturdays. Right,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>this is like a major show. It's running at basically

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the best time you can and the premise is very simple.

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Children from around the world write Jimmy Savill letters outlining

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>their wildest dreams, and jim will fix it so the

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>dream comes true. Writing for CNN, Dave Gilbert notes that

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it's height This program, which again runs until nineteen is

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Not runs from nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 2>four was receiving quote, twenty thousand requests a week. Famous

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>fixes included an encounter with boxing legend Muhammad Ali and

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the boy scouts who wanted to eat their packed lunches

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>on a roller coaster, resulting in a predictable mess. So

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of show it is. You can see

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>why this is such a hit. You know, you've got

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>first off, you've got these kids, and the way the

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 2>show works is like you think it's letters, right, it's

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>like a make a wish and he gets to read

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 2>these cute letters that these kids write with their own drawings.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 2>He gets to laugh at like kids being cute or

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 2>spelling stuff bad. Then you get to have the kid

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>on talk about their dream and then you get to

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>like film you making it happen for them, and then

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>he gives them like these medallions that say jim fixed

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 2>it for me, which for a while we're quite valuable.

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 2>So the series is it's a massive success, and it

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>makes Jimmy more dangerous than ever because now he's gone

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 2>from this is like a DJ who has access to

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>teenage girls because he has access to pop stars. But

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>like that has a time on it. For one thing,

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's pushing middle age now, so it's getting harder and

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 2>harder for him to still seem like Britain's oldest teenager.

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Now he has a reason to be around kids and

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>be trusted by them because he's Santa. He's like British Santa.

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that they greenlit this show.

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 2>We need a gutt to be Santa. Claus picked the

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>let's have a giant pedophile. Yeah, the guy whom less

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 2>all the kids bring him on. He'll be a great Santa. Yeah.

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 2>So the dreams he made come true ran the gamut.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>In one early episode, a child wished to fly like

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Peter Pand and sword fight Captain Hook and Jim's crew

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 2>used like stage rigging and theater equipment to make that

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 2>happen in the same way you would for like a

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Broadway production.

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Another kid wanted to take his school teacher out for

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 2>an expensive dinner at a fine dining establishment, and so

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.799
<v Speaker 2>they put him up at this like crazy restaurant with

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>these really elaborate meals and they fill them all of it.

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can see why generations of Britain's ate

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 2>this show up right. That said, as innocent as this

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 2>is sounds and should have been. The content wasn't always innocent,

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, Jimmy can't help himself from like making

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 2>references to his current and future sex crimes. There's bits

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 2>of that littered all throughout episodes of jim Will Fix It.

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Sophie's gonna provide you with show you all one brief clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever since I can remember, I've always wanted to be

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 2>a singer, but shyness has always got in the way.

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Please because you fix it for me to sing?

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Who was sincerely, Debbie Coleman.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 8>Here's somebody's a helper who also has.

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>A problem with being shy.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 8>Gary Glitter, So.

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Gary Glitter, hah, that doesn't seem like it was too bad, right,

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Just a kid who wants to be a pop star.

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, okay, I'll fix you up with my

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>friend Gary Glitter. And Gary was indeed, Hey have you

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>heard of Gary Courtney? You don't anything about this guy?

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>No? No, Also that kid was twenty.

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, kid was twenty thankfully. Gary Glitter, a

0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>major popstar, was a major pop star in the seventies

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and eighties and was a close friend of Jimmy Savell.

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>He was brought down in nineteen ninety nine after being

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>convicted of downloading child's sex abuse material. He was eventually

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.240
<v Speaker 2>charged with child sex abuse and attempted rape of a child,

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>among other offenses. Glitter and Savile partied regularly throughout the

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>seventies and eighties and shared a taste for little girls,

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:19.879
<v Speaker 2>and in Glitter's case, the youngest of his victims were

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>ten and eleven. So great that he's hucking them up

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:29.240
<v Speaker 2>with people on the show. Good to have Gary Glitter

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 2>on Jim Will Fix It. At least that what person

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 2>seems to have been an adult, Thank fucking god, they

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>often weren't.

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 2>The fact that Jimmy wasn't singled out when Glitter got

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 2>busted is extraordinary, especially because Jim made repeated as I

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 2>was kind of insinuating earlier. He made repeated open comments

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 2>about his attraction to girls as young as eleven in

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:52.359
<v Speaker 2>episodes of his hit show Top of the Pops and

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>in Jim Will Fix It. Here's just one example, and

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>this is from the part of Jim Will Fix It

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 2>where he hands out his famous Jim fixed It for

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>me Ad Alliens to winners of the show. So we're

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna look at that clip right now, if both these.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 8>Young ladies that Jim'll fix it because how old are you?

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Twelve?

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 8>Hello, judge?

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 3>And how old are you? Ma?

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 2>It's fine, it's fine. Everybody laughs. Right. What did he

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>say to her? He said, he asked her age and

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 2>she said twelve, and he said, hello, judge. Yes, he's

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>joking that he's going to molest her and get in trouble.

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 8>God.

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.280
<v Speaker 2>And then the other girl says eleven, and he says,

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>are you married? And everyone laughs. I didn't catch young

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>larry ladies.

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I wish this isn't again.

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 7>And I think this is part of his stick. I

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 7>was thrown off by how odd he looked at him,

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 7>leaning over and he's like, I didn't barely even get

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 7>Courtney missed it two.

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 4>I was like, what did this strange man say?

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 3>But not really.

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>What he's doing is first making a joke about molesting

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.959
<v Speaker 2>a twelve year old and getting in trouble in court,

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and then making a joke about wanting to marry an

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 2>eleven year old. Those are the jokes. He's not hiding

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 2>this or it is. He's hiding in very plain sight,

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 2>and that that hello judge bit is a constant. That's

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>one of Jim's like catchphrases, right is he'll reference his

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>attraction to a young girl and then go hello, judge.

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, he makes constant jokes. He'll also joke about

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>having an upcoming court date, like I've had a great

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 2>life and I go to you know, my trials next

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Thursday or something like that was like a really common

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 2>reference from him. So there's a lot of bits about

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.760
<v Speaker 2>him being in trouble with the law for his attraction

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to underaged girls that he performs on air with regularity.

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Once he dies and all of the stories of the

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 2>actual abuse start flooding out into the open, people begin

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>looking through old episodes of Jim Will Fix It, and

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>they find a lot of evidence of the pedophile hiding

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and plain sight. For an example of that, here's one

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>find from a user on the website Beta dot com

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 2>and this guy's actually like posting video from an old episode.

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>He's like filming it on his laptop. Again, a lot

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 2>of these original episodes are kind of harder to find now.

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>So Selvie's gonna play you a clip that starts with

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy reading this kid's letter.

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think about that one as well.

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 8>From Notching for London, Eastport, did Jimmy fix it? I

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 8>think you have fixed enough people now and I think

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.800
<v Speaker 8>it is about time you were fixed. So will you

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 8>fix it for me to come along to the VBC

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 8>theater and fix you? Lots of love Barclay Quarter, then yes,

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 8>please do not tickle me. Yeah, Barkley, I'm presuming with

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 8>blacka qatermen that you happen to be a young man

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 8>and of tickling young men. But if you have a

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 8>sister who knows.

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Again again, it's just he's just everyone laughs at this

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>joke about this weird guy tickling a female child against

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 2>your will. Right, It's just funny. It's a bit, you know,

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Nobody takes it seriously. It's fucking amazing how openness is

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 2>like the man. If the show was called Jim a Pedophile,

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it could hardly be more open about this guy's proclivities. Yeah,

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 2>and yet like paradoxically, the jokes act as a sort

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.479
<v Speaker 2>of camouflage, as does as you've said, the way he's

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 2>dressed and the way he presents himself, it all helps him.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 2>It's very effective at letting him hide and play in sight,

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.320
<v Speaker 2>and in some ways it's giving him like the fact

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 2>that he brings the audience in, makes them complicit. That's

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 2>part of the tactic. He's they're giving him permission to

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 2>act the way he does. If everyone's laughing, can what

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>he said really be so bad? Right?

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>But it's crazy that when Gary Glitter goes down or whatever,

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>they're not like, oh wait a minute, what about his

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>best friend?

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>But it happened. That happens so often that some guy

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>will go down for pedophilia who is known as a

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>close friend of Jimmy Savill, and Jimmy doesn't get in

0:44:56.480 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>trouble like it happens a bunch good stuff. I'm happy?

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:02.479
<v Speaker 2>How are you doing?

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 3>Who?

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay?

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Have we had a second ad break yet, Sophie?

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 4>We have not.

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 2>We have not. Let's do that the fuck now, Let's

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>take a second and then come back and we're back.

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 2>So jim will fix it with such an outrageous hit

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 2>that it launched Jimmy's career as a superstar, or at

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 2>least a UK superstar. He's never people will notice. He

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 2>never really crosses over in the way that like some

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 2>big BBC figures do. But he's very popular within the UK.

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 2>As Dave Gilbert summarizes generations, of Britain's also remember him

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 2>for a string of public information films, including a road

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 2>safety promotion that encouraged motorists to use their seat belts,

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a campaign that started before wearing belts became compulsory in

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the UK. Savill's closing catchphrase clunk click every trip was

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 2>instantly memorable and caught on with the watching public. He

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>also promoted the National Rail Network and a campaign dubbed

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 2>this is the Age of the Train. And I read

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 2>that quote because it's it's probably impossible for me to

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 2>get across to an audience of mostly Americans and people

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>from elsewhere in the world besides the UK. What Jimmy

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Savil meant to Britons of a certain age. The best

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.439
<v Speaker 2>I can do is to say that for most young

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 2>British kids from like the late sixties and seventies, well,

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>really like the seventies through the early nineties, Jimmy Savill

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 2>was the BBC. He has too many TV shows to

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>keep track of. He's and whenever there's like a big

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 2>we're doing a big fundraiser, we're doing a big New

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Year's or whatever thing, we're doing a big holiday thing,

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's the guy who gets picked a lot of times

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 2>to like headline or MC because he's the face of

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 2>the BBC right for like twenty years.

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of like Regius Philbin or something.

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like read but even like I was aware

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 2>of Regis as a kid, but we have so much

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 2>choice and option for channels and the KAY didn't as

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 2>much in this period of time. So the fact that

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 2>he is the face of the BBC, like he's to

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of kids, they would have just seen Jimmy

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 2>as like woven into the foundation of the earth almost

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 2>in like if you can if you were a nineties kid,

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:17.720
<v Speaker 2>a kind of like the late eighties through the nineties,

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the way that Robin Williams was to our generation where

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 2>it was just like this is just like a Robin

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.399
<v Speaker 2>never did anything wrong that I'm aware of, but uh

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 2>steal some jokes but uh forgivable. You know, he was

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 2>pretty coked out, but that level of like this this

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>guy is woven into the firmament as like a part

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 2>of your childhood, right yeah. And they're like an uncle,

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 2>like an angle, like the country's weird uncle.

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy one, Jimmy also started volunteering at the

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>National Spinal Injury Center at the Stoke Mandivil Hospital. He

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 2>not only raised money to renovate the hospital's facilities, which

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 2>had fallen into tremendous disrepair, but he started doing regular

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 2>shifts as an orderly, helping new patients to their rooms

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 2>and doing rounds just as an employee would have done.

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>As we'll talk about, this goes on for decades. From

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.839
<v Speaker 2>the start of Jimmy's time volunteering at Stoke Mandival, there

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>were rumors that Jimmy, per one acquaintance at the BBC

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 2>abused his position by having sexual relations with patients, but

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>this source insists he never heard anything about illegal activity

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>with underaged girls. So this guy is saying, basically, everyone

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>knew that Jimmy's sleeping with patients at the hospital that

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 2>he's helping to fund and is working at as an orderly,

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.879
<v Speaker 2>but we never thought that it was they were underage.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy's like, okay, forty, but it's hard for them to

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 1>get away. They have some real injury.

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>That's literally why he does it. Yes, that's that is

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 2>that is the tactic care. Unfortunately, the dark now, however

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 2>prevalent these rumors are, they weren't enough to offset the

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 2>funds that he's raising for Stoke Mandville, particularly at a

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 2>time by the late seventies, Great Britain's social safety net

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 2>is starting to look like it's running on fumes.

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 7>It's pretty it's pretty gross that they're like that that,

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 7>Like the cost of like fundraising is just like mass

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 7>sexual abuse.

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Pedophile abuse people. Yeah, otherwise we won't have money to

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>keep the spine hospital in business.

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they really value they really value people's lives and wellness, and.

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Just so.

0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Much angrier. You get so much anger.

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 7>I was like trying to like hold I got really

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 7>angry after part two, and I was like, I was like,

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna try to pace myself this.

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 2>For an idea of how bad this is. We don't

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 2>went on the product of factors doing trigger warnings on

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 2>this show. Like I cried during the research of these

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>episodes that hasn't happened for years, Like I am dead

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>inside and I was fucking full on weeping during some

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 2>of the research for this because what he's just the

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>scale of it and the the degree to which his

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 2>victims had no possible method of fighting back against him. Right,

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>these are He's going after peace people who are the

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>most desperate people he can find in his society. Anyway,

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about Margaret Thatcher. In nineteen seventy seven, Savill

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 2>first hod It a hosted member of Parliament Margaret Thatcher

0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.720
<v Speaker 2>on a visit to Stoke Mandeville. The two became fast friends.

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Thatcher liked Jimmy because his talent for raising money to

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 2>fund public programs and facilities meant that the government didn't

0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 2>need to use as much tax money to support the NHS. Jimmy,

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, seems to have instinctively seen that

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Thatcher was going places and he wanted her to owe him.

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 2>His opportunity to do this would come as a result

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of the harsh austerity policies Thatcher sought to press upon

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the country if she became Prime Minister. Her vision of

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:43.399
<v Speaker 2>an ideal Britain didn't include public funding for health care,

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>but did include a worship of wealthy and powerful people

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.799
<v Speaker 2>and the charity they might be convinced to provide rather

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 2>than compulsory taxes. By nineteen seventy eight, Saville was one

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 2>of the most prominent charitable fundraisers in the country. If

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 2>you just tax rich people to fund your social safe

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>and you have to fund your hospitals, then none of

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 2>them are particularly like like gain a position of necessarily

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.760
<v Speaker 2>power over the organizations they're funding. If you're just paying

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 2>taxes and that keeps the hospitals going, you can't just

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>if you just walk into the hospital, We're like, well,

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 2>my taxes pay for this hospital. People are gonna be

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 2>like fuck you. But if you walk in and say

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>like no, no, no, like you guys are gonna have

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>to close down, and I raise ten million dollars to

0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>keep you in business, They're gonna let you do whatever

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:26.359
<v Speaker 2>you want.

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:26.919
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 2>That's why a lot of rich people love charity.

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>That's why again, if you watch The Bone Temple, the

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>bad guys in the Bone Temple are based on Jimmy Savell.

0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 2>They're traveling around doing what they call charity. This is

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 2>like that. That whole movie is a critique of Thatcherism

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and Savill's rolling it anyway. I love that film.

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 1>You're talking me into a wealth tax right now, that's

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>what it's.

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. However, has Farrell Kenney noted in his piece

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 2>for the UK Tribune Savell quote preferred small local charities

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 2>over large ones with organized structures. He does a lot

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.440
<v Speaker 2>of charity. But again, it's mostly with these smaller orgs

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 2>for a reason, because then they're totally dependent on him,

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and there's not going to be as much red tape,

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 2>there's not going to be as much you know, people

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.760
<v Speaker 2>looking into what he's actually doing. And in Kenney's article,

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 2>he links to a super eight video from nineteen seventy

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.400
<v Speaker 2>eight of Jimmy hosting a charity event for blind children.

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 2>In the video, Saville receives a flower from a young

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 2>blind girl and then a drawing of himself. And I'm

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 2>just gonna have Sophie show you the clip and we'll

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 2>describe what's happening for those of you who like, he's

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 2>out in front of this facility. He's got on like

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>this shirt that looks like a fucking what's that?

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like a game of twister.

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like a game of twister. I don't

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.520
<v Speaker 2>know how else to describe it. And yeah, there's this

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>little blind girl, looks like she's maybe twelve, being like

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 2>led up to him so she can give him this

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>this drawing of himself.

0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, she's so pretty as well, oh.

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Did he say?

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 4>And she's so pretty as well?

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And she's so pretty as well, goodness gracious, and again,

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, not necessarily upsetting unless you know what's actually

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 2>going on.

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 4>So icky, if he wasn't such a fucking.

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Pedophile, yeah, exactly. Now. At the time, the more noteworthy

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 2>thing about that performance is that he takes out this

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.760
<v Speaker 2>photo that's been drawn of him and he jokes about

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 2>it being a photo fit of the Yorkshire Ripper, right.

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:45.360
<v Speaker 2>He jokes that this drawing of him is like actually

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a picture of the Yorkshire Ripper, who's a serial killer

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 2>that was active at the time. This is a guy

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>who is ultimately murders more than a dozen women by

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the time he's caught and is actively killing people, and

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>like the police are actively looking for him in nineteen

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 2>seven eight. Now, the real Yorkshire Ripper was named Peter Sutcliffe.

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 2>And again he was ultimately caught and convicted of his crimes,

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I think in nineteen eighty one, but that's like three

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 2>years away. And what's interesting about this to me, just

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>as a side bit, is that at the time Jimmy

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 2>jokes about looking like the Yorkshire Ripper, he was an

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>active suspect in the murders. My quote from the telegram,

0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Savell was brought in for questioning after members of the

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 2>public contacted the police naming him as a possible subject.

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.759
<v Speaker 2>After a body was found close to Savill's Roundey Park home,

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 2>a Harley Street dentist was ordered to make a cast

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>of Savell's teeth. Now, again, Jimmy wasn't the ripper, but

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 2>it says a lot about what he was doing and

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 2>how many people did try to stop him, that so

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:47.440
<v Speaker 2>many members of the public reported him as being the

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.240
<v Speaker 2>likely culprit that the police force, which was largely staffed

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:55.800
<v Speaker 2>by his friends, had to investigate. That's how many people

0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>think they know there's something going on that they're like, well,

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.919
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's maybe he's this real killer, right, Like, there's

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot people do know what's happening. And then you

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 2>try to do something.

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 1>He's a serial something.

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wild that he's joking about it.

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>That same year, nineteen seventy eight, Jimmy wrote another book,

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>God'll Fix It, about his Catholic faith. It included these

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 2>chilling lines. In my early years, I can tell you

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of things that need a bit

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 2>of forgiveness. I was in a business that was fraught

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 2>with temptations. Temptations of the flesh are all about so

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 2>in my early days, I was a great And he

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:37.959
<v Speaker 2>puts this in quotations, abuser of things and bodies and people. Okay, okay,

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:43.400
<v Speaker 2>couldn't be more clear interesting that abusers in quotation marks.

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what entirely he meant by that, but

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you know he's not as interesting Heidene. Yeah. Now, the

0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:54.520
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's so public about aspects of his personal life,

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 2>as we'll call it, has consequences for him. Other people

0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 2>do read what he's writing and read these interviews, will

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>he'll talk about his sex life, and they get upset.

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Even if they don't all they don't always mark him

0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:08.840
<v Speaker 2>out as a potential pedophile. They don't always realize what's happening,

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:13.280
<v Speaker 2>but they know that something is wrong. And there's also

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:17.479
<v Speaker 2>people in the pop industry who know more. Again, maybe

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:19.880
<v Speaker 2>not everything, but they know enough, They know enough other

0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 2>people that they know something about what's going on. One

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>of these people is sex Pistols frontman John Lydon, who

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 2>said in an interview in nineteen seventy eight, I'd like

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 2>to kill Jimmy Saville. I think he's a hypocrite. I

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.399
<v Speaker 2>bet he's into all kinds of seediness that we all

0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:36.839
<v Speaker 2>know about, but are not allowed to talk about. I

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 2>know some rumors. He then added, I bet none of

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.279
<v Speaker 2>this will be allowed out, and it wasn't. The clip

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 2>did not air with the rest of the interview. It's

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.480
<v Speaker 2>good for that, yeah said something.

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:52.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I mean like that guy had a lot

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 7>of power and he didn't do that much with it.

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:59.360
<v Speaker 4>But like you know better than every other adults in

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 4>this converse, in this entire thing.

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as we'll talk about you know, libel laws in

0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:07.680
<v Speaker 2>the UK. A big part of why stuff like that

0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:10.760
<v Speaker 2>gets cut out is Jimmy's litigious and people are scared

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of being sued by him. Prior to the nineteen seventy

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 2>nine elections, Saffle hosted a special episode of jim Will

0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Fix It at the Houses of Parliament, where Margaret Thatcher

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 2>asked him to fix it for her to become Prime Minister.

0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 2>She was elected on May third of that year. Right

0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 2>after she took office, Thatcher had her staff at Downing

0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Street called Jimmy quote. Her secretary rang to say she

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>was rather upset because I hadn't been round to give

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 2>her a badge. To give her her badge, I reported

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to Downing Street a few days later and presented it.

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh good, thank you Jimmy for Margaret Thatcher for fixing

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 2>it so she got to be Prime Minister.

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:48.560
<v Speaker 4>I really hate when.

0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 2>A woman gets it so wrong. Oh she's it's we

0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:57.080
<v Speaker 2>have barely I crashed the surface of how bad this is.

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Now not law. After this, jim was carrying out Jim's

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Daily Dozen, a series of sponsored runs through various British towns,

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.919
<v Speaker 2>meant his fundraisers for different causes. He asked Margaret which

0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>charity she wanted a chunk of the money he was

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.880
<v Speaker 2>raising to go to, and he ultimately presented her with

0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a check for ten thousand pounds for the National Society

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:23.840
<v Speaker 2>for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children the NSPCC. That's

0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 2>good Thatcher love cares deeply about the kids. Obviously, now

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy and Margaret would remain close friends for the remainder

0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:37.640
<v Speaker 2>of Thatcher's PM ship and life. Jimmy's skill with charity

0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 2>was extremely convenient given Thatcher's conservative austerity politics. By the

0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 2>start of Thatcher's term, the National Spinal Injury Center at

0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.960
<v Speaker 2>stoke manvill was in such bad shape that five ceilings

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:52.400
<v Speaker 2>of housing units had collapsed during a winter storm. The

0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:56.280
<v Speaker 2>NHS needed additional funding for repairs, and that was very

0:58:56.360 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>much not in the budget or in the spirit of Thatcherism. However,

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Stoke Mandeville is a major facility in the UK. It's

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 2>like a historically important hospital, and allowing the facility to

0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 2>collapse would make for terrible pr Because you want to

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 2>cut the budget, you want to cut quote unquote entitlements,

0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 2>but you don't want people to realize that they're you're

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>taking away their health care so that rich people have

0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:22.560
<v Speaker 2>more money. You really want to hide that until the

0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 2>latest possible moment. Savill held a meeting with Gerard Vaughan,

0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Minister of State for Health, as Davies describes in the

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 2>book for the book Endplane Sight Quote over T and

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.200
<v Speaker 2>K at the House of Commons, Vaughan outlined the new

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:38.360
<v Speaker 2>government's thinking on the National Health Services, a philosophy which

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 2>ordained that special projects such as rebuilding work at hospitals,

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 2>even such urgent work as that required at Stoke Mandival,

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:48.320
<v Speaker 2>would have to be supported by voluntary contributions, in line

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:51.400
<v Speaker 2>with the cuts in public expenditure Prime Minister Thatcher was

0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 2>implementing across the board. Vaughn suggested this meant they had

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:57.880
<v Speaker 2>a problem, not really, replied Saville, and they struck a deal.

0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Savell what Jimmy Savely would lead a campaign to rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>the spinal injuries unit at Stoke Manduvil using private money

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<v Speaker 2>and donations. In other words, it was to be a

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<v Speaker 2>pioneering example of the type of partnership between government and

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<v Speaker 2>the public that the Prime Minister was so keen to promote. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the renovations were to cost between six and ten million pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>as Jimmy announced it a subsequent press conference. When he

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<v Speaker 2>was asked shouldn't the NHS just be funding this, he replied,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the way they used to build hospitals years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and laid out how a simple five pound donation could

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<v Speaker 2>pay for a brick, allowing every Briton a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>support one of the most famous hospitals in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>To make a long story short, it worked. Savill used

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<v Speaker 2>his connections to wealth and fame to solicit high dollar donations,

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<v Speaker 2>and his ability to connect with average Britons and host

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<v Speaker 2>public runs and other fundraisers to solicit large numbers of

1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:51.080
<v Speaker 2>small dollar donations. Now he does succeed in convincing Thatcher

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<v Speaker 2>to contribute half a million pounds of public money to

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<v Speaker 2>the cause. Right, But that means this goes from a

1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that the NHS would have had to pay ten

1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:02.200
<v Speaker 2>million pounds of public money to do, to something they

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<v Speaker 2>have to pay just a half million pounds a public

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<v Speaker 2>money to do, because he raises the other nine and

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<v Speaker 2>a half that's needed. Once the money was raised, Saffle

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<v Speaker 2>was fetted in a public press conference next to Prince

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<v Speaker 2>Charles and Margaret Thatcher herself. This marks the beginning of

1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.720
<v Speaker 2>his true climb up the rungs of power and fame

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<v Speaker 2>in British high society. As Faro Kinney writes, the preceding

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<v Speaker 2>years had seen Saffle work his way upwards through media elites,

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<v Speaker 2>dance halls to radio, pop television to primetime flagship television,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as integrating into the National Health Service. The

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<v Speaker 2>years that followed, however, can be understood as savile, tirelessly

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<v Speaker 2>working upwards through the British establishment, the Thatcher government, the monarchy,

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<v Speaker 2>and an ever present relationship with the police.

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<v Speaker 4>So do we have any evidence that Charles knows a bit?

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about Charles a lot more. Don't worry, Zovie,

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<v Speaker 2>you can come to your.

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<v Speaker 6>Conclusion because I'm just thinking like he he got like

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<v Speaker 6>some you know, I would guess we were not upset

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<v Speaker 6>with him for you know, not standing in the way

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<v Speaker 6>of his brother getting arrested for being a disgusting pedophile

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<v Speaker 6>and he got praised for it, and so did he.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll talk a lot more about nearly done.

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<v Speaker 4>No more, I'd like to know more, is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>From the Thatcher years on, Savill was what some Royal

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<v Speaker 2>family watchers described as a court gesture to the family. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the role he takes on socially. Savil first meets

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<v Speaker 2>Prince Charles in nineteen seventy seven, which is the same

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<v Speaker 2>year that he met Thatcher and Princess Diana herself later

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that Jimmy was a mentor to the future king.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Princess dies take on things that Jimmy Saville is

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<v Speaker 2>her husband's mentor. Now, I was not at all surprised

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<v Speaker 2>to learn that Saville and Thatcher had used each other

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<v Speaker 2>for mutual benefit. What did surprise me is that this

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<v Speaker 2>seems to have been a genuine friendship on Margaret's part,

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<v Speaker 2>as in she deeply liked and appreciated this historically prolific rapist,

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<v Speaker 2>and he seems to have enjoyed her company and considered

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<v Speaker 2>her a safe person to joke around with. After one

1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:12.000
<v Speaker 2>lunch in nineteen eighty one, Savil wrote a letter to

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<v Speaker 2>Thatcher that included the lines, my girl, patients pretended to

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<v Speaker 2>be madly jealous and wanted to know what you wore

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<v Speaker 2>and what you ate. All the paralyzed lads called me

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<v Speaker 2>Sir James all week. They all love you me too. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Its beautiful to see a friendship blossom. It's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful here.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't like I don't like the use of me

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<v Speaker 7>too and savile in the same center.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit about they all called me Sir James

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<v Speaker 2>is something he includes here because as soon as he

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<v Speaker 2>becomes friends with Thatcher, Saville starts working her to try

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<v Speaker 2>to get a white right he's already obe The next

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<v Speaker 2>step up is a knighthood baby, and Margaret spends like

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<v Speaker 2>a decade fighting for this. She fights, She spends years

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<v Speaker 2>pushing Jimmy to be a night. In nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>Thatcher wrote Sir Robert Armstrong, the chair of the National

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<v Speaker 2>Honors Committee, to ask about making Savill a Knight but

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Robert said no, and his reasoning wasn't that Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>was like obviously a dangerous child predator. It was that

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<v Speaker 2>he'd just endured a minor scandal about some comments he'd

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<v Speaker 2>made in an interview about the young girls he hung

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<v Speaker 2>out with at his charity runs. The AIDS crisis was

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<v Speaker 2>on fire at that point, and Sir Robert thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was inappropriate for the government to celebrate and endorse a

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<v Speaker 2>man who made light of premarital sex. He pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>that the lurid details of Jimmy's sexcapades hadn't faded from

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<v Speaker 2>public memory yet, and it would be best if mister

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<v Speaker 2>Savill were to wait a little bit longer for the

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<v Speaker 2>BBC quote. We were remain worried, he added. Fears a

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<v Speaker 2>bit expressed that mister Saville might not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>refrain from exploiting a knighthood in a way which brought

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<v Speaker 2>the honor system into disrepute. You know, accurate, There's.

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<v Speaker 1>No way this was a genuine friendship. They're both just

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<v Speaker 1>empty inside and they're such climber fucking fuses the shit.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes to bat for him, though, right, you know, which,

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<v Speaker 2>like do any of these people have real friendships inasmuch

1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:09.560
<v Speaker 2>as Thatcher ever did or Savile ever did, right, they

1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:12.600
<v Speaker 2>were tightly they both very much needed each other, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's like when Trump talks about having like his friends, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have one single friend on this foot.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, but you have people you need. And it's noteworthy.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount that Margaret goes to bat for Jimmy shows

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<v Speaker 2>you how much she thinks she needs him. He is

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<v Speaker 2>not just celebrity, he's kind of friendly. She is a

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<v Speaker 2>major he's a major part of Thatcherism. But she needs him, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He allows her to do a lot of the austerity

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<v Speaker 2>shit she wants to do without seeming like she's fucking

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<v Speaker 2>the country as much as she is, because he's keeping

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<v Speaker 2>the lights on in some of these facilities. And in return,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets a blind eyed turn to his molestation of

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds and hundreds of people because he's keeping the lights

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<v Speaker 2>on in these facilities, which allows her to fucking to

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<v Speaker 2>the bone.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Savell's role in Thatcherism, and it's a significant one,

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<v Speaker 2>as shown by how much Margaret herself goes to bat

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<v Speaker 2>for this guy. Now, the fact that it's great love

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<v Speaker 2>it when Margaret Thatcher's in the story. Now, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Sir Robert is worried Savell would use being knighted

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<v Speaker 2>in order to like for his own benefit in some

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<v Speaker 2>way that through the system into disrepute was prescient. Savile's

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<v Speaker 2>already at this point using his fame as a charitable

1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:34.080
<v Speaker 2>fundraiser to shut down investigations into his sex crimes. For

1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the BBC, Savill persuaded the tabloids not to run stories

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<v Speaker 2>by telling them they would be responsible for the end

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<v Speaker 2>of his charity fundraising. Savill himself admitted in an interview

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<v Speaker 2>people leap about. Yes, they do if he wants something

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<v Speaker 2>because of his charitable work, right, Folks will do anything

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<v Speaker 2>for me because of all the money I'm raising for

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<v Speaker 2>good causes. Now, any hope of negative reporting on Savill's

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<v Speaker 2>crimes was further dashed by his close public friendship with Thatcher. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this makes it harder. You're some fucking kid who's like

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<v Speaker 2>at a juvenile fuck, like a facility or whatever because

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<v Speaker 2>you got in trouble for something and Jimmy's molesting you

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<v Speaker 2>and this guy's you're gonna try to report the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's friends with the Prime Minister. Yeah, that'll work.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the kid and the real family and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Prince yeah, and the royal fucking family. In one episode

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<v Speaker 2>of jim Will Fix It, a little girl asks to

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<v Speaker 2>be a cop for a day at ten Downing Street,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jimmy uses his connections to Thatcher to fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets she gets a cop uniform, and she gets

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<v Speaker 2>like patrol around in front of the Prime Minister's residence.

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<v Speaker 2>And when when Thatcher shows up in her limo or whatever, like,

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<v Speaker 2>the kid gets like escortter from her car to her residence.

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<v Speaker 2>TV viewers eat this up like it's adorable, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>his victims, many of whom are stuck in hospitals and

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatric wards. See this is more evidence that jim is untouchable.

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<v Speaker 2>I found an article on the website Investigative Psychiatry that's

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<v Speaker 2>like analyzing a bunch of different investigations several because after

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<v Speaker 2>it all comes out how many people he was abusing,

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<v Speaker 2>all the hospitals he volunteered at have these internal investigations

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<v Speaker 2>into how Jimmy was allowed to abuse their patients for decades,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's like an NHS investigation, an n SEC investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>So this article kind of summarizing all those into investigations

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<v Speaker 2>notes he leveraged his fame and claims of high level

1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.720
<v Speaker 2>political friendships to intimidate those around him. He successfully made

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<v Speaker 2>hospital staff believe he had the power to have them fired,

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<v Speaker 2>well simultaneously coercing vulnerable patients into believing that reporting his

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<v Speaker 2>abuse would only worsen their treatment and lead to punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's yeah, it's great. And the fact that for

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<v Speaker 2>an idea of how much fucking absolute impunity he has.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember in the first couple episodes we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's got this weird thing about dead bodies as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a regular like thing, like he makes

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<v Speaker 2>some really weird statements whenever he sees like dead people that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, saw that chit get chopped up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me read a quote from a BBC article I'm afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Sue Proctor, who chared an inquiry into Saval's actions

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<v Speaker 2>that leads General Infirmary, said the star also had an

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<v Speaker 2>unwholesome interest in the dead. It is alleged he posed

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<v Speaker 2>for photographs and performed sex acts on corpses in the

1:09:12.320 --> 1:09:15.519
<v Speaker 2>hospital mortuary. She also referred to Savle's claims that large

1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:17.600
<v Speaker 2>rings he wore were made from the glass eyes of

1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:21.280
<v Speaker 2>dead bodies at the mortuary. There's more we could say here.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's a necrophile. He's abusing dead boy. That's like bad

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<v Speaker 2>and gross. That's kind of all we're gonna say that

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<v Speaker 2>in these episodes. It's important you know that about him.

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<v Speaker 2>But like we're folks, like the living people are like

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<v Speaker 2>my primary concern obviously, like this is bad due it's

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<v Speaker 2>just meant so bad this guy is. The necrophilia is

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<v Speaker 2>like a side note. Also, he's doing this. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>on the front burner in terms of like the things

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing bad.

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<v Speaker 5>Could you I just want you to repeat that one

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<v Speaker 5>part about what did you say he was with?

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<v Speaker 4>What the ring?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah what? Yeah? He had he wore he loves

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<v Speaker 2>He's got these big rings and he would tell everybody

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<v Speaker 2>he made comments on this publicly. They're made from like

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<v Speaker 2>the glass eyes from dead bodies that mortuaries. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>his rings get there, like big Gym's from. I will

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<v Speaker 2>want to say to that, thanks man. So my interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of what's kind of going on behind the scenes in

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Savile's head through this period is this, You've got

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<v Speaker 2>this guy who gets his start as a hit DJ

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<v Speaker 2>in a time when that means unlimited sexual access to

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<v Speaker 2>teenage girls. He enjoys this for years, but he's not

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<v Speaker 2>an idiot. He can see this isn't going to last forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And since he doesn't really like any of his fellow

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<v Speaker 2>DJs socially, he's got enough perspective to realize they're flirting

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<v Speaker 2>with danger while literally flirting with children. The BBC offers

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<v Speaker 2>him a professional escape to a world with less scrutiny

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<v Speaker 2>and more money, just as his old colleagues start drawing

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<v Speaker 2>attention for their behavior. And then he realizes the more

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<v Speaker 2>big public acts of charity he does, the more good

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<v Speaker 2>he gets in with the people running the country, and

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<v Speaker 2>the more camouflage he gets for his behavior. And this

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<v Speaker 2>provides him with direct access to victims in his preferred

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<v Speaker 2>age range who can't defend themselves. And that's why he

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<v Speaker 2>volunteers primarily at spinal wards psychiatric hospitals and as we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about in our next episode, the Duncroft Approved School

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<v Speaker 2>for girls. Okay, and that's part three.

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<v Speaker 1>I Oh my.

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<v Speaker 4>God, I hate this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Harrowing stuff, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the worst one I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is one of the worst ones

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<v Speaker 2>we've ever done. This guy is uh the devil, the

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<v Speaker 2>devil himself. Really, I don't even know if.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a word to properly describe how disgusting he is.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I've.

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<v Speaker 4>Been trying to think of one, and I'm sad a lost.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just a fox that got let into a hen

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<v Speaker 2>house made up of every single person in a hospital

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK.

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<v Speaker 6>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, I don't even you gotta flug something sorry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my book. Let me recover for a second. I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a book. It's honestly way happier than this, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sad in the book. It's called Girl

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<v Speaker 1>Gone Wild and it's it's feminist, which we need after

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sounds nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Abhorrent, abhorrent. I'm just come to credit. I'm just throwing

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<v Speaker 4>out words. Abhorous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, obscene, I don't know, revolting.

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<v Speaker 2>Loathsome m loathsome is a good one. Yeah, we use

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<v Speaker 2>that word or not? Yeah, loathsome. Let's end with loathsome.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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