Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the
Speaker 2: very worst people in all of history. We are starting
Speaker 2: our second week, parts three and four on one of
Speaker 2: the bastardist bastards we'll ever do on this show, Jimmy Savile,
Speaker 2: British broadcaster and pedophile extraordinaire, and to talk with me
Speaker 2: about the latter and worst parts of Jimmy's life and
Speaker 2: career as a fucking monster, the Great Courtney Coosak. Welcome back, Courtney.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for being on. And you've got a book,
Speaker 2: a book that we talked about in the first two parts,
Speaker 2: but are going to plug again.
Speaker 1: Dear God, if you guys haven't already bought my book,
Speaker 1: please do. It is close Girl Gone Wild. It is
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Speaker 1: what you're about to hear right.
Speaker 2: Now, Beautiful. Well, I guess we can't delay it anymore.
Speaker 2: So last episode we kind of ended by talking about
Speaker 2: one of the girls that Jimmy impregnated. She was this
Speaker 2: one was sixteen. There's a number I came across at
Speaker 2: least two stories, and the I mean at least two
Speaker 2: direct stories and insinuations of a lot more. I don't
Speaker 2: think we'll ever have an idea of how many girls
Speaker 2: he impregnated. I'm gonna guess often taught. Generally they had
Speaker 2: stories like the lady we talked about where they get
Speaker 2: an illegal abortion, they have health consequences afterwards, like that's
Speaker 2: a I think probably how a lot of these went.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess Jimmy paid for a good number of
Speaker 2: those over the years. But the same year that happened,
Speaker 2: which is nineteen sixty four, the London Metropolitan Police received
Speaker 2: a report about a flat in London that was being
Speaker 2: used to pimp out children little girls who is not
Speaker 2: little girls. I think they were mostly like in teens,
Speaker 2: but girls who were in many cases underage, who had
Speaker 2: escaped from a nearby facility. For I wrote for a
Speaker 2: facility for female juvenile offenders. That's not entirely accurate. It
Speaker 2: was called the Duncroft Approved School, and we'll talk about
Speaker 2: it more later, but it's some of these girls got
Speaker 2: in legal trouble, you know, committing some sort of crimes,
Speaker 2: will underage. Some of them are just have behavioral problems.
Speaker 2: This place seems to be a mix of like a
Speaker 2: juvenile reform school and a place kind of one of
Speaker 2: those like troubled teen camps that parents send their kids
Speaker 2: too if they're not obeying enough.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And so some of these girls are escaping from the
Speaker 2: Duncroft School and they're winding up at this flat where
Speaker 2: they're being pimped out as child prostitutes. And the London
Speaker 2: Met bust this place in nineteen sixty four, and in
Speaker 2: their notes at the time there's like detectives right that
Speaker 2: Jimmy Savill was a repeat visitor to the home while
Speaker 2: it was operational as a pedophile. Broad right, they don't
Speaker 2: go after him or anything. He doesn't get charged with anything.
Speaker 2: There's like, oh, Jimmy Savile's going to this brothel for
Speaker 2: children an office.
Speaker 1: Famous teenage brothel.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, yeah, this brothel for teenage girls who have
Speaker 2: gotten in trouble with the law. Interesting, not worth looking
Speaker 2: and do further. So that does, though, beg the question
Speaker 2: how did he get away with this? And Davies gives
Speaker 2: us a good idea of how in his book in
Speaker 2: Play in Sight, when he describes an interview where Jimmy
Speaker 2: discussed one time that he nearly got arrested because and
Speaker 2: Jimmy's telling this to a reporter as like for laughs basically,
Speaker 2: and he talks about this too. We're like, well, there's
Speaker 2: always these a lot of underage girls hanging out around
Speaker 2: my office. And I got in trouble at some point,
Speaker 2: like someone called the police about it because they thought
Speaker 2: it was suspicious, and so I had to sit down
Speaker 2: for an interview with the police chief. And I told him,
Speaker 2: you know that your sixteen year old daughter comes in here,
Speaker 2: don't you would you rather she was safe with me
Speaker 2: or being preyed on by all those scumbacks and slags?
Speaker 1: What again?
Speaker 2: Tell the journalist this, and I think, like the seventies
Speaker 2: of the eighties, He's just like, yeah, you know, people
Speaker 2: get angry at me for all the underage girls I
Speaker 2: hang out around, but some of them are the children
Speaker 2: of cops.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm just here to protect him.
Speaker 2: I'm here to keep them safe. They get into trouble
Speaker 2: if they weren't around. Jimmy Savil, Oh my god, gosh.
Speaker 2: Good times. So Roger Holt, Roger, Yeah, not good times.
Speaker 2: Roger Holt was a record industry ad man in like
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies. He's he's a guy like basically
Speaker 2: helping to there's a lot of paola going on in
Speaker 2: this period of time in the record industry. So his
Speaker 2: job is basically to bribe big DJs into playing specific
Speaker 2: records or specific songs, right. And there's a number of
Speaker 2: ways that they would do this. Sometimes you're just you know,
Speaker 2: giving him gifts or hooking them up with, you know,
Speaker 2: concert tickets they can give out on the air. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's more direct, we're bribing people. As we've talked about,
Speaker 2: some of these DJs are getting bribed in girls. Right.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm saying Holt did that. I don't know
Speaker 2: what Holt did specifically, but he's a record industry ad
Speaker 2: man during this period of time, and he visited Saffle's
Speaker 2: Radio one office regularly throughout the sixties. He would later
Speaker 2: tell Davies that the DJs love for young girls was
Speaker 2: an open secret quote I heard through his office just
Speaker 2: in conversation. Jimmy's added again that's how people would talk
Speaker 2: about him molesting teenagers. This did not strike anyone. It
Speaker 2: struck people as a bit odd. They're talking about it obviously, right,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was odd for DJs to I mean,
Speaker 2: it certainly wasn't uncommon for DJs to be in like
Speaker 2: close quarters with sixteen and seventeen year old girls, which
Speaker 2: again was legal at the time. But it's notable that
Speaker 2: Jimmy is exclusively going for girls that age and younger,
Speaker 2: as opposed to that just being a thing, which I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's okay when it was the thing that
Speaker 2: happened sometimes for guys, but people that time are like, wow,
Speaker 2: Jimmy really prefers them really young, often illegally.
Speaker 1: So didn't just slip through the cracks.
Speaker 2: Right right, So yeah, what's important is you understand that
Speaker 2: Jimmy's love of young girls was seen as noteworthy and
Speaker 2: talked about, but was far from an aberration within his
Speaker 2: professional circles and certainly wasn't seen as like a reason
Speaker 2: to discipline him or look into it any further. What
Speaker 2: made Jimmy weird, and the thing people did note about
Speaker 2: him at the time is that he doesn't he's not
Speaker 2: into the social side of the music business. Most people
Speaker 2: who are like DJs or record engineers are like hanging
Speaker 2: out with other people in the business, right, They like
Speaker 2: like the culture around it, and they're interested in like
Speaker 2: the creative aspect of it too, Like they like making music,
Speaker 2: and they like they're interested in how music gets made.
Speaker 2: Jimmy's not interested in any of that, and he's not
Speaker 2: interested in like socializing with his colleagues. In fact, he
Speaker 2: has almost no relationship with other DJs, which is seen
Speaker 2: as kind of weird. As mister Holt told an interviewer,
Speaker 2: he was just a very strange person. You couldn't really
Speaker 2: have a conversation with him. I used to see him
Speaker 2: at Top of the Pops and I didn't talk to
Speaker 2: him unless I had to go to his dressing room.
Speaker 2: When I had to go to his dressing room, the
Speaker 2: last time I was there, there weren't any young girls
Speaker 2: in there, but there were a lot of his mates
Speaker 2: that I thought were as weird as he was. There
Speaker 2: was definitely a click in that dressing room. Now he's
Speaker 2: just saying the last time he visited, it wasn't a
Speaker 2: bunch of girls, it was his friends. Weird friends. What
Speaker 2: kind of clique do you think Jimmy Saffle's hanging out
Speaker 2: with if it's not other DJs?
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, the word is click first of all.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can say it's a click, but thank you.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: My interpretation of the evidence I have is that Jimmy's issue,
Speaker 2: one of Jimmy's issues with his fellow dj he has
Speaker 2: a couple issues with his fellow DJs. One is they're
Speaker 2: really reckless, Like they're not careful at all about the
Speaker 2: Kola stuff. Oh they're not like you know, remember that
Speaker 2: speech he gave about being clever versus being tricky. I
Speaker 2: think he would say they were clever and he's tricky,
Speaker 2: and he didn't want to hang out with the clever
Speaker 2: guys because he knew the clever guys were gonna get
Speaker 2: busted being clever, whereas he doesn't want to get busted,
Speaker 2: so he's gonna stay tricky.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The other side of that, what I think is also
Speaker 2: accurate and probably more worth mentioning, is that most of
Speaker 2: those DJs are having sex with teenagers kind of you know,
Speaker 2: it's not the whole point. It's like a bit. It
Speaker 2: gets a side part of what they're doing. And their
Speaker 2: lives are not.
Speaker 4: Sexually assaulting children, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well they are sometimes, but it's not their primary motivating fact.
Speaker 2: Jimmy's primary motivating factor is being able to sexually assault children.
Speaker 5: So the fuck is in his clique?
Speaker 2: Great question. We know that one of his close friends
Speaker 2: as early as nineteen sixty six was a member of
Speaker 2: the British Royal family, and in fact, the person who
Speaker 2: introduces Jimmy to the British Royal family, Lord Lewis Mountbatten,
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 6: Lord matted, like like.
Speaker 4: Prince Philip, like father figure to kick.
Speaker 1: Charles like, yeah, that's his name, that's his real name.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Lord mount Batton, Yes, that was his
Speaker 2: name was. We'll talk about that in a second, so
Speaker 2: me mount Batten.
Speaker 7: Whoa oh yeah, oh yeah, they were They introduce Jimmy
Speaker 7: to the family.
Speaker 4: Lunch clubs together and shiit, what's the vibe.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about what they might have been doing together,
Speaker 2: because these are the royals, you know, we don't have
Speaker 2: perfect information about what was going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: but mount Baton introduces him to people like Prince Andrew,
Speaker 2: who's been in the news lately, and of course Prince Charles.
Speaker 2: Discuss all that later, but let's talk about Lord mount
Speaker 2: Batten for a moment, right. So he dies in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine. He again, he and Jimmy meet in.
Speaker 4: Nineteen so this guy is do you know how he
Speaker 4: dies and shit like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, he gets blown up by the IRA on
Speaker 2: a boat in nineteen seventy nine. Because Lord Mountbatten was
Speaker 2: rerored by the.
Speaker 4: US FBI also on that boat, Rob.
Speaker 2: That part maybe not nailed it perfectly, but you did
Speaker 2: note that there were children on the boat, Sophie. Lord
Speaker 2: Mountbatten was rumored to be a pedophile on a massive scale. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is not ideal. So yeah, you were saying something, Courtney.
Speaker 1: This is so this is Philip's dad.
Speaker 7: No father figure, no, no, no, not father figure, not direct,
Speaker 7: but but he he does take the mount Baton name Philip.
Speaker 2: Yes he does, right, I'm not an expert on the Royals,
Speaker 2: but it's mount Batton who is introduces Jimmy to the
Speaker 2: family and mount Baton is rumored by the FBI before
Speaker 2: his death to be a pedophile and a like a
Speaker 2: major pedophile. The website Irish Central quotes from an interview
Speaker 2: with Anthony Daly, who worked as a rent boy for
Speaker 2: London's upper crust in the seventies. That means he was
Speaker 2: a young male prostitute for like rich guys in London
Speaker 2: in the seventies and he recalled quote Mount Batten had
Speaker 2: something of a fetish for uniforms. Handsome young men in
Speaker 2: military uniforms with high boots and beautiful boys in school uniforms.
Speaker 2: Great stuff. Now, I don't know that Mount Batten and
Speaker 2: Jimmy Saville hit it off because they love molesting boys together.
Speaker 2: I don't have evidence of that, but we know Saville
Speaker 2: loved to molest boys as well as girls, very getting
Speaker 2: down to very young boys. These stories did not come
Speaker 2: out as early as the reports of Saville abusing and
Speaker 2: having sex with teenaged girls, right, but they do come
Speaker 2: out later in life, and we have quite a bit
Speaker 2: of evidence of this. And one of these accounts, which
Speaker 2: comes from the book In Plain Sight, is particularly horrifying
Speaker 2: because it comes from Guy Marsden, who was Jimmy Saville's nephew.
Speaker 2: He was one of Savill's older sister sons. And he
Speaker 2: runs away as a teenage boy after repeated trouble with
Speaker 2: the law. He's just one of these kids who gets
Speaker 2: in trouble and he and like three of his friends
Speaker 2: hitchhike to London. I'm guessing they lived around Leeds or something,
Speaker 2: just based on where the family comes from, and they
Speaker 2: spent their first days bumming around Euston Station, which they
Speaker 2: didn't know at that point in time was a common
Speaker 2: pick cup point for men seeking other men or sometimes boys.
Speaker 2: After several hours waiting around, one man offered to put
Speaker 2: Marsden and his friends up at a flat nearby. They
Speaker 2: came over and these guys are, you know, chilling at
Speaker 2: this flat. You have to assume paying with their bodies,
Speaker 2: you know, for privileged somewhat, but that's what's going on.
Speaker 2: And after a couple of days of this, Jimmy Savile
Speaker 2: shows up. Now guy is terrified at first because he
Speaker 2: assumes his uncle has been sent there to bring him
Speaker 2: home and probably knock him around a bit, right, Like
Speaker 2: he thinks he's in trouble. And instead Jimmy's like surprised
Speaker 2: to see them. And it's basically like, hey, why don't
Speaker 2: you guys come with me? And I'm going to quote
Speaker 2: now from end plain sight. Marsden claimed that Uncle Jimmy
Speaker 2: moved the runaways into a house over the ensuing weeks.
Speaker 2: He also took the boys to a number of parties.
Speaker 2: There were no women at these soirees, only men and children.
Speaker 2: Marsden maintained that he realized immediately what sort of parties
Speaker 2: they were. One of the houses he described as being
Speaker 2: particularly memorable. The big feature of it were when you
Speaker 2: went in the swimming pool. He explained. It were a
Speaker 2: room with a big swimming and it were so inviting.
Speaker 2: Everybody used it and we're diving into it. It had
Speaker 2: lights in it, it was lit up. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: All you wanted to do was stay there forever. Marsden
Speaker 2: said he believes the house belonged to a famous pop
Speaker 2: impresario at the time. Don't know who that is. Might
Speaker 2: have a couple theories. So what this is is some
Speaker 2: of the better evidence that I found so far to
Speaker 2: suggest that Jimmy Savill was not just a guy who
Speaker 2: abused a lot of kids at scale, but was part
Speaker 2: of an or several organized networks of child abuse and exploitation.
Speaker 4: He's sex drafting children, yeah.
Speaker 2: He's and he's part of like a club of guys
Speaker 2: who were doing that. And because these kids.
Speaker 7: Sexually assaulting and sex trafficking children in a coort organized way,
Speaker 7: is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and that's that is what this account suggests.
Speaker 2: And there's there's some other things that suggest this too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is not a thing where like we
Speaker 2: have perfect this has not been export for example, the
Speaker 2: extent that like the Epstein networks have been, in part
Speaker 2: because this stuff doesn't really start coming out until so
Speaker 2: much later. But what Marsden alleges is that these kids,
Speaker 2: some of these kids are being molested by the rich
Speaker 2: and famous men who attend the parties, not actually like
Speaker 2: most of them necessarily, which is an interesting point and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna explain that in a bit. But Marsden claims
Speaker 2: that quote from time to time, they the boys were
Speaker 2: led into rooms with adult males. Noises could be heard
Speaker 2: coming from inside. None of these kids were stressed. It
Speaker 2: was as though they were really really enjoying what they
Speaker 2: were doing. That's the sad part, really, and that's not
Speaker 2: as strange as it sounds. These are all very poor kids.
Speaker 2: Many of them have been kicked out of their homes
Speaker 2: for being queer. These kids are living on the street,
Speaker 2: They are eating basically by prostituting themselves, and have probably
Speaker 2: in general probably have been abused and raped and molested
Speaker 2: quite a few times. And this is still more of that.
Speaker 2: But the difference is now these boys are getting paid,
Speaker 2: they're spending all of their time they're living when they're
Speaker 2: not participating in these parties at these various mansions and palaces.
Speaker 2: So they're getting to live. These kids who have been
Speaker 2: on the street are getting to live that one percent
Speaker 2: er lifestyle at the price of being repeatedly raped. That's
Speaker 2: what's happening here, and it says a lot about the
Speaker 2: desperation of their lives that a lot of these kids
Speaker 2: at the time are like, Okay, this is a worthwhile
Speaker 2: trade in for me. Right now, after some time at
Speaker 2: any one location, they would be put in a car
Speaker 2: and taken to a new location. Some parties would go
Speaker 2: on for days and would involve multiple different venues. Now,
Speaker 2: per Marsden's account, a lot of, if not most, of
Speaker 2: the boys aren't being molested, and that's for a reason.
Speaker 2: The kids whoul attend these parties range in ages up
Speaker 2: to their late teens, so anywhere from six to ten
Speaker 2: years old, and Marsden says most of the kids who
Speaker 2: were taken into rooms to be abused by adults were
Speaker 2: six to ten years old. Right, the older teens aren't
Speaker 2: being as often molested, according to Marsden's account, and he
Speaker 2: says he was never abused himself. Maybe he's lying about that,
Speaker 2: but I he provides a pretty decent explanation as to
Speaker 2: why that would be. As he posited, quote, someone must
Speaker 2: have had an idea that we would be a good
Speaker 2: intermediary for these kids. It might have stressed them if
Speaker 2: there were only adult men. So you've got the older
Speaker 2: teens there, so the younger boys don't think this is
Speaker 2: weird and don't get as scared, and so they can
Speaker 2: kind of be like, just go do it, It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: You know. The older teen boys are getting something out
Speaker 2: of this too. That's kind of what's happening here.
Speaker 1: Wait, so that was my job on the Girl's Gone
Speaker 1: Wild tour was just to be the girl, so the
Speaker 1: other girls felt comfortable on the bus sadly.
Speaker 7: Wait, Roberts, so you're saying, so what are the ages
Speaker 7: of these boys? Their ages anywhere from what to what?
Speaker 2: The kids being molested, he says, are generally six to ten.
Speaker 2: Marsden I think was more like fifteen or sixteen, and
Speaker 2: the older teen boys are anywhere, like, you know, eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve to like you know, sixteen, seventeen years old.
Speaker 2: Probably would be seventeen be probably the oldest so all.
Speaker 7: Of these boys are being sexually abused, even if they
Speaker 7: aren't aware that they're being sexually abused, because they're being
Speaker 7: taken advantage of by adults.
Speaker 2: They're all being abused. They're not all being physically sexually abused.
Speaker 2: According to Marsden. Oh so the older boys are there,
Speaker 2: Like there's like it's abusive to put a sixteen year
Speaker 2: old in a situation where they're like encouraging an eight
Speaker 2: year old to go get molested in order to have
Speaker 2: a roof over their head. That's a fundamentally abusive thing.
Speaker 2: But they're not necessarily being physically molested because their purpose
Speaker 2: is to be there to normalize the situation for the
Speaker 2: kids who are the real targets. Right, That's what Marston describes,
Speaker 2: And that makes sense to me. I mean, like, as
Speaker 2: you said, Courtney, there's yeah, like it's I don't doubt this.
Speaker 1: Account understood makes sense.
Speaker 2: So again his account is not that Savill is like
Speaker 2: the organizer or the main guy behind it. He's just
Speaker 2: a member of this network of very elite pedophiles. Right.
Speaker 2: These guys are very wealthy, they have massive properties. They're
Speaker 2: probably often doing this like miles away from civilization, a
Speaker 2: lot of this is happening on these big English estates
Speaker 2: where you're kind of a law into yourself. You know,
Speaker 2: you're going to go run to the cops out there.
Speaker 2: You're in the middle of pasture land and shit, right,
Speaker 2: there's like forests and stuff. Some of these properties have
Speaker 2: thousands of acres to them. So and we see in
Speaker 2: this and the way this is set up an echo
Speaker 2: of how Savill abused the young, like the teenage girls
Speaker 2: who were like fans of pop music who came to him.
Speaker 2: Most of the girls who showed up outside of his
Speaker 2: office or went to shows and hung out with him
Speaker 2: before and after shows are not being molested by him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't quote unquote pick most of them. And that
Speaker 2: fact helps to hide what's going on and make it
Speaker 2: seem believable that this is normal and acceptable because most
Speaker 2: of the girls you talk to be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Jimy's a little weird, but it's fine because they're not
Speaker 2: all the target. Right. Does that all make sense in
Speaker 2: terms of like how he's structuring this abuse.
Speaker 1: Very sophisticated pedophelia.
Speaker 2: To get away with it as long as he was,
Speaker 2: you have to be good at it, you know. He's
Speaker 2: also lucky. He benefits from it for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: But like he's set this up for this way for
Speaker 2: a reason, because it works. So Marsden says he never
Speaker 2: saw his uncle abuse any boys at these parties. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe he didn't. Maybe he was primarily at
Speaker 2: the parties to get access or to get favors for
Speaker 2: other things. Maybe he's just not into it in that venue.
Speaker 2: We know he abused young boys. I think the youngest
Speaker 2: I've heard of was five, So we know he abused
Speaker 2: young boys, but he may not have done it at
Speaker 2: these particular parties for some reason. Maybe this is just
Speaker 2: something he saw as useful to like facilitate the moving
Speaker 2: of his career. Right. So again, we know he bonds
Speaker 2: with Lord Mountbatten in sixty six. We know in sixty
Speaker 2: six he's doing stuff like this. We know Lord mount
Speaker 2: Matton's probably doing stuff like this. My guess is that
Speaker 2: this is how they've become friends, right, And we do
Speaker 2: know there's also versions of these parties that are being
Speaker 2: held with teenaged girls and a different set of rich
Speaker 2: and famous creeps right where there's no boys, but there's
Speaker 2: rich and famous men. And then there's like fourteen to
Speaker 2: seventeen year old girls. Right, we also know that version
Speaker 2: and probably younger. We know that version.
Speaker 3: VOT.
Speaker 2: There's parties like that going on too, I say, yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: none of this weirdness, none of the fact that's going on,
Speaker 2: is enough to get the BBC to shy away from Jimmy.
Speaker 2: You know, there's rumors around him, people talk about him
Speaker 2: liking him young. He makes some comments about that fuck
Speaker 2: is wrong. BBC doesn't give a shit. Oh, they don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck about any of this.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: In fact, they're going to be a major engine of
Speaker 2: abuse for Jimmy Savil. The BBC doesn't isn't just he's
Speaker 2: not just a BBC employee who abuses people. He utilizes
Speaker 2: the resources of the BBC to aid him in abusing people.
Speaker 2: That's a major part of this story. At the start
Speaker 2: of the nineteen seventies, they give him a radio one show,
Speaker 2: Savell's Travels, which also turns into a BBC TV show.
Speaker 2: I think it's called Savill's Yorkshire Travels. I think there's
Speaker 2: a couple. I don't understand the BBC's weird A lot
Speaker 2: of these shows aren't really archived in full anymore so
Speaker 2: I but he does both. It's a radio show that
Speaker 2: comes like a TV.
Speaker 7: Watch this really odd guy go to places.
Speaker 2: He lives in a caravan, which is like an RV
Speaker 2: or trailer basically, and he's traveling around the country talking
Speaker 2: to people. You know, it's like his Anthony Bourdain type deal. Right,
Speaker 2: That's that's what people are getting out of it.
Speaker 4: I don't like, I don't like that person.
Speaker 2: It's not great. I'm not not in that, but like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of the appeal is he's like this
Speaker 2: regular guy. He's showing you the regular guy's view of
Speaker 2: these different places in Yorkshire or wherever. So that starts
Speaker 2: in like the at the beginning of the seventies. Now,
Speaker 2: by the start of that decade, Savill had already established
Speaker 2: a strong reputation as a charitable fundraisers. We've said, anytime
Speaker 2: he's doing events, he's often having his salary donated to
Speaker 2: charity's you know, he starts raising money. There's this thing
Speaker 2: people are doing sometimes where like you'll push someone in
Speaker 2: like a wheelchair for a distance and you know people
Speaker 2: will like pave It's like these different kind of like
Speaker 2: you know, run for cancer type charities. You know, he's
Speaker 2: doing some stuff like that. In nineteen seventy one, he
Speaker 2: participates in his most ambitious charity drive yet, an eight
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy six mile walk, and he's he does
Speaker 2: this with his Savals travels motor pool traveling behind him.
Speaker 2: So he's like sleeping in the caravan at night, and
Speaker 2: he's walking all day and people are like joining him
Speaker 2: at varying points on the march. This is like a
Speaker 2: thirty one day event, and he's never really alone during this.
Speaker 2: He's constantly being followed by people. Sometimes, like people who
Speaker 2: are in wheelchairs show up and he'll push them for
Speaker 2: a while hundreds of folks march alongside them. Jimmy wrote
Speaker 2: in his column the next week, quote, I've wheeled cripples
Speaker 2: along in wheelchairs who didn't want to be like I've
Speaker 2: pushed prams with assorted babies in I've slowed down to
Speaker 2: a shuffle with a ninet year old lady gripping my arm,
Speaker 2: and sped up fleet footed downhill with an entire youth
Speaker 2: club tailing behind, like Hayley's comment. And this actually ends
Speaker 2: with one of his first direct things with the fucking
Speaker 2: British Royal Marines, which we're not going to talk about
Speaker 2: enough in these episodes, But the Royal Marines like show
Speaker 2: up to march with him. At the end of his march,
Speaker 2: he does a lot of events with them. He becomes
Speaker 2: an honorary member of the Royal He loves the fucking
Speaker 2: Royal Marines. It's a proud, proud part of the history
Speaker 2: of the Royal Marines is Jimmy Stavile got to be
Speaker 2: a member. Great stuff.
Speaker 1: Wow, speaks full of the organization.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He does a lot of lung He does a
Speaker 2: lot of marathons, He does a lot of marches for charity,
Speaker 2: does a lot of wheelchair pushes, all of these to
Speaker 2: raise money for good causes. Savill continued to make outrageous
Speaker 2: demands when he would agree to participate in these events,
Speaker 2: as he had earlier in his career. During a fundraiser
Speaker 2: where he pushed a patient in a wheelchair from Rochester
Speaker 2: to Bromley, Saville admitted to press that he'd given this
Speaker 2: demand to the event organizer. Find me a blonde teenage
Speaker 2: bird who lives in a house with the drive so
Speaker 2: I can park outside, so she can wake me up
Speaker 2: in the morning with tea at eight o'clock. The organizer agreed.
Speaker 2: This is just in the press. God, oh, Jimmy, he
Speaker 2: loves those blonde teenage birds.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But he's doing good. He's raising so much money for
Speaker 2: good causes. You know, why be angry at him for
Speaker 2: being just a little bit odd, right, He couldn't possibly
Speaker 2: be hurting anybody you know who else? Oh?
Speaker 5: Sorry, because he's a petophile.
Speaker 2: Sorry yeah, yeah, transition you know who's not a That's
Speaker 2: not a good ad pivot anyway, Let's forget I tried
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 1: Here's some ass I.
Speaker 2: Am we'd back. So, after committing or committing completing his
Speaker 2: nearly nine hundred mile march, was awarded the Order of
Speaker 2: the British Empire or ob which is just a step
Speaker 2: under knighthood. Now, this entitled him to sign his name
Speaker 2: Jimmy Savile Obe, which he does on his subsequent autobiography
Speaker 2: that comes out not long after this, and interviews at
Speaker 2: the time. He is vocally thrilled by the recognition, which
Speaker 2: elevated him to a level of social respectability other DJs
Speaker 2: simply lacked. Here's a photo of him after his investiture
Speaker 2: at Buckingham Palace. There's Jimmy savill Obe. He's got like
Speaker 2: a normal suit on for once in his fucking life.
Speaker 2: And he's got this big metal they give you when
Speaker 2: you get the obe. He's smoking one of his cigars.
Speaker 2: He's got a fucking pinky ring on and the top
Speaker 2: hat and his his fucking peroxide white hair, just his
Speaker 2: hair like no business around teenage making.
Speaker 5: Making the pinky ring look bad and shit like it's
Speaker 5: fucked up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's not a darker part of Pinky Ring history.
Speaker 2: Pinky Ring history and Royal Marine Corps history both both
Speaker 2: not low points of both. So Savill's Yorkshire Travels, his
Speaker 2: like TV show version of this radio thing hits the air.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy two, just before that happened. Per the book,
Speaker 2: in Plane Sight, the body of fifteen year old Claire
Speaker 2: McAlpin was discovered by her mother, surrounded by empty pill
Speaker 2: bottles and a red diary. In her diary, she had
Speaker 2: obviously committed suicide, and in her diary she repeatedly mentioned
Speaker 2: the sex that she had had with top BBC disc
Speaker 2: jockeys that she had met while dancing for Top of
Speaker 2: the Pops. And again, she's fifteen, This is underaged, this
Speaker 2: is statutory rape. That's what she's writing. About multiple disc
Speaker 2: jockeys at Top of the Pops at the BBC's hit
Speaker 2: show Top of the Pops rape this girl. Saville is
Speaker 2: believed to be one of them, Like we know he
Speaker 2: was one of them, right, But he mostly stays out
Speaker 2: of the fallout around this story because by this point
Speaker 2: he's expanded beyond just being a DJ. So the actual
Speaker 2: like scandal around Claire MacAlpin's suicide and around all of this,
Speaker 2: and it's not just her. There's a couple of other
Speaker 2: girls that they find out were being trafficked basically to
Speaker 2: BBC disc jockeys as part of like a Paola scam.
Speaker 2: And that's the primary thing that blows up into a scandal,
Speaker 2: is that a lot of these like DJs who would
Speaker 2: like it get brought in from the pirate world, are
Speaker 2: accepting fucking sex with teenage girls as a form of
Speaker 2: payola for playing songs. Right, That's primarily the big scandal
Speaker 2: that happens here, and that's obviously not what people should
Speaker 2: have been most angry about, and it's not the only
Speaker 2: thing that they're angry about. Some of these guys get
Speaker 2: in trouble, but not Jimmy, right, He's never a focus
Speaker 2: of these investigations, because by the time this all blows up,
Speaker 2: he's kind of moved on, right, Like he's he's still
Speaker 2: doing Top of the Pops from time to time. He's
Speaker 2: still a DJ, but he's like increasingly starting to be
Speaker 2: like a TV and radio star for other reasons. And
Speaker 2: so he's just not at the center of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But a good friend of his was he was like.
Speaker 1: One of the main Top of the Pops guys, wasn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But he's not socially a part of that circle.
Speaker 2: So most of the accounts they're getting and most of
Speaker 2: what blows up is involving other guys and sample we
Speaker 2: just kind of know he was involved, but he's not
Speaker 2: like at the center of this. And he may not
Speaker 2: have actually taken payola. He may have just been molesting
Speaker 2: teenage girls, like we know he was doing a lot.
Speaker 2: He may not have actually taken we don't know, like,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't get in trouble for this, whereas other
Speaker 2: guys do. And one of these other guys is a
Speaker 2: member of his clique, Harry Goodwin, who was a photographer
Speaker 2: for Top of the Pops. Undercover journalists recorded Goodwind bragging
Speaker 2: about taking pornographic photos of I mean, and these are
Speaker 2: I think most of these are Sea Sam right. I
Speaker 2: guess it depends on the age of consent. But he's
Speaker 2: taking he's making child pornography with pictures of underaged girls.
Speaker 2: I assume some not all underage, but most of them
Speaker 2: probably are. And he's also making movies, you know, quote
Speaker 2: unquote movies of the statutory rape occurring he's discussed, and
Speaker 2: he's playing these. He's selling these movies to pop stars,
Speaker 2: not only in the industry.
Speaker 4: Despicably gross and.
Speaker 2: Good friend h yeah, he must be by now great
Speaker 2: like yeah, and he gets in some trouble for this,
Speaker 2: so you know, again close friend of Jimmy's here making
Speaker 2: child pornagre or child sex abuse content of varying sorts.
Speaker 2: So a few people's careers end over this, but again
Speaker 2: not Jimmy's, because he's moved on. Savell's travels keeps him
Speaker 2: on the road and makes his fame much broader than
Speaker 2: just pop music at a time when he desperately needed that.
Speaker 2: Of course, this doesn't stop him from committing sex crimes.
Speaker 2: There were almost immediately complaints along his route of travel
Speaker 2: that Savell now well into his thirties was molesting kids.
Speaker 2: Radio one controller Douglas Muggridge asked the station press officer,
Speaker 2: Rodney Collins to make sure to check and see if
Speaker 2: any local newspapers in areas Savile had gone through planned
Speaker 2: to print any rumors about his behavior. As mister call
Speaker 2: later told the BBC, there were allegations that there were
Speaker 2: girls underage, girls involved, maybe in the caravan. However, the
Speaker 2: newspapers that mister Collins talked to insisted they were unwilling
Speaker 2: to print allegations against Saville, whether they were true or not,
Speaker 2: because of all of his charity work and because he
Speaker 2: was quote perceived as a very popular man. So this
Speaker 2: guy's for the BBC looking into like, hey, are you
Speaker 2: going to print any rumors to see if we need
Speaker 2: to like bribe these guys or threaten them to stop it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the papers are like, we weren't going to publish it,
Speaker 2: even if it is true that he's molesting girls, you know,
Speaker 2: because of all of his charity work.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: He's doing so much good stuff, you know. Yeah, Is
Speaker 2: it so bad that he's molested children on while he
Speaker 2: does this charity work?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is someone's got to raise money for charity. You know,
Speaker 2: why not let it be a pedophile. A lot of reasons. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So again he's like part of what he's doing on
Speaker 2: camera for these shows is he's like visiting mom and
Speaker 2: pop restaurants and cafes and clubs. He's talking to regular
Speaker 2: people in a way that no besuited, highly educated, traditional
Speaker 2: reporter could have done. And there's a number of reasons
Speaker 2: why Jimmy is so popular. One is that, again, there
Speaker 2: had been like a BBC voice. There had been like
Speaker 2: a voice that radio announcers when they start doing television
Speaker 2: TV announcers are supposed to sort of have to kind
Speaker 2: of be proper and to do the job the right way.
Speaker 2: And this is a very like this is a system
Speaker 2: that is primarily set up for people with specific educations
Speaker 2: from specific institutions, and they talk in specific ways. And
Speaker 2: Jimmy's a former coal miner from the north voices the
Speaker 2: accent of the northern part of the country is seen
Speaker 2: as more authentic in the UK, kind of in the
Speaker 2: same way as like a southern twang is seen as
Speaker 2: both evidence that you might be a redneck and that
Speaker 2: you're an honest assault of the earth. Real American, Like,
Speaker 2: he's got an accent that works for him in that way,
Speaker 2: that makes him seem like a trustworthy, working class dude,
Speaker 2: and people are just kind of starved for that. In
Speaker 2: Great Britain at this time, there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: it in their popular media. And this is part of
Speaker 2: why he's so rapidly popular is a lot of folks
Speaker 2: in the poorer northern parts of the country see themselves
Speaker 2: represented in Jimmy and the fact that he kind of
Speaker 2: dresses like a weirdo is like, yeah, but he's our weirdo.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Why should he have to wear a monkey suit like
Speaker 2: all these fancy guys. That's kind of and it helps
Speaker 2: to it helps to camouflage him, you know. The popularity
Speaker 2: is part of the camouflage.
Speaker 1: He's got five different covers. He's a genius.
Speaker 2: He's good at it. Unfortunately, most of the initial run
Speaker 2: of Saval's travels took place in Yorkshire, and a BBC
Speaker 2: article in May of twenty thirteen, less than a year
Speaker 2: after Savle's crimes became were made public, West Yorkshire Police
Speaker 2: noted that they had recorded evidence of at least seventy
Speaker 2: nine offenses by Savile against seventy one separate people. Quote
Speaker 2: per the PBC, thirty five attacks by the broadcaster in
Speaker 2: hospitals involved complainants ranging from age five to forty five.
Speaker 2: The West Yorkshire Police figures show Saval target eighteen victims
Speaker 2: at private addresses and leeds in Bradford. Now again, a
Speaker 2: year after he dies and these stories come out within
Speaker 2: the first year, West Yorkshire Police have recorded seventy nine
Speaker 2: offenses against seventy one people. That's not how many victims
Speaker 2: he had. That's what they record decades after the fact,
Speaker 2: when it's finally okay to talk about he's abusing hundreds
Speaker 2: of people in West Yorkshire alone. Right, we'll talk about
Speaker 2: We have no idea how his total number of victims,
Speaker 2: but we'll talk about what we know about it. I
Speaker 2: just need you to understand this is like an every
Speaker 2: night thing for him. He is abusing people with tremendous
Speaker 2: startling regularity. In nineteen seventy two. Yeah, sorry, that's like, No.
Speaker 1: Five is so young. You said the range was five
Speaker 1: to forty five, five.
Speaker 2: To forty five in that area a year after the
Speaker 2: investigation starts.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's nauseating. I didn't even think he went that old.
Speaker 1: But the young end of his rage is truly.
Speaker 2: In like the eighties. Yeah, yeah, the young end is
Speaker 2: real bleak. In nineteen seventy two, Jimmy had a radio
Speaker 2: documentary made about him, The World of Jimmy safvill Obe.
Speaker 2: It attempted to investigate who Jimmy was as a person,
Speaker 2: something that had already proven nearly impossible for interfy words
Speaker 2: to nail down. Jimmy himself claimed to have nothing to
Speaker 2: hide from people. Quote, they ask me, are you queer?
Speaker 2: I say no, But if I felt that way, I
Speaker 2: would have been. They asked me, why don't you get married?
Speaker 2: I say, well, I've never felt the need. I've got
Speaker 2: nothing to hide from people, And when you come to
Speaker 2: think about it, I lead a dead simple sort of life,
Speaker 2: which is okay and definitely enough for me. Simple. Now,
Speaker 2: the fact that Jimmy has been awarded the Order of
Speaker 2: the British Empire, as I noted earlier, it makes it
Speaker 2: possible for him to enter these higher echelons of British society,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't guarantee that he'll make friends and find
Speaker 2: influence there. To do that, he's going to need to
Speaker 2: put in work, and initially it seems Jimmy tries to
Speaker 2: hedge his bets by getting in good with politicians on
Speaker 2: both sides of the aisle. In an article for The
Speaker 2: Tribune Feral Kinney Wrights during the politically Feebriles nineteen seventies,
Speaker 2: Savill appears to have hedged his bets filming a nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy four party political broadcast with Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe.
Speaker 2: Liberal politician Cyril Smith, who would be unmasked as a
Speaker 2: pedophile in the aftermath of Savill's death, enjoyed a light
Speaker 2: entertainment run on Savile's Clunk Clink program. So he does
Speaker 2: talk to in the seventies, he's hanging out and kind
Speaker 2: of boosting liberal politicians, and he will later boost conservative politicians.
Speaker 2: But one of the liberal politicians he boosts, Cyril Smith
Speaker 2: and has on his show a bunch of times, is
Speaker 2: unmasked as a pedophile. Two that's going to be a
Speaker 2: habit for like friends of Jimmy's. We've talked to two
Speaker 2: three so far Lord Mountbatten, the dude, the photographer on
Speaker 2: the show, and this fucking politician. So that's three pedophiles.
Speaker 2: Had a Jimmy sapfle friends already Click yeah, the click,
Speaker 2: and also he knows him Prince Andrew. Are buddies know
Speaker 2: what Prince Andrew's getting up to? No longer Prince Andrew.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five, Jimmy Savill did something rare, which
Speaker 2: is that he officially becomes a bigger TV star than
Speaker 2: he had ever been like a radio star. This is
Speaker 2: the moment where he fully crosses over and from this
Speaker 2: point on he's not going to be primarily known as
Speaker 2: a DJ. He's going to be primarily known for his
Speaker 2: work on BBC TV. The BBC gives him like a
Speaker 2: dedicated show called Jim Will Fix It, which airs for
Speaker 2: the first time in nineteen seventy five in a seventy
Speaker 2: four to seventy five and a primetime spot on Saturdays. Right,
Speaker 2: this is like a major show. It's running at basically
Speaker 2: the best time you can and the premise is very simple.
Speaker 2: Children from around the world write Jimmy Savill letters outlining
Speaker 2: their wildest dreams, and jim will fix it so the
Speaker 2: dream comes true. Writing for CNN, Dave Gilbert notes that
Speaker 2: it's height This program, which again runs until nineteen is
Speaker 2: Yeah Not runs from nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: four was receiving quote, twenty thousand requests a week. Famous
Speaker 2: fixes included an encounter with boxing legend Muhammad Ali and
Speaker 2: the boy scouts who wanted to eat their packed lunches
Speaker 2: on a roller coaster, resulting in a predictable mess. So
Speaker 2: that's the kind of show it is. You can see
Speaker 2: why this is such a hit. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: first off, you've got these kids, and the way the
Speaker 2: show works is like you think it's letters, right, it's
Speaker 2: like a make a wish and he gets to read
Speaker 2: these cute letters that these kids write with their own drawings.
Speaker 2: He gets to laugh at like kids being cute or
Speaker 2: spelling stuff bad. Then you get to have the kid
Speaker 2: on talk about their dream and then you get to
Speaker 2: like film you making it happen for them, and then
Speaker 2: he gives them like these medallions that say jim fixed
Speaker 2: it for me, which for a while we're quite valuable.
Speaker 2: So the series is it's a massive success, and it
Speaker 2: makes Jimmy more dangerous than ever because now he's gone
Speaker 2: from this is like a DJ who has access to
Speaker 2: teenage girls because he has access to pop stars. But
Speaker 2: like that has a time on it. For one thing,
Speaker 2: Jimmy's pushing middle age now, so it's getting harder and
Speaker 2: harder for him to still seem like Britain's oldest teenager.
Speaker 2: Now he has a reason to be around kids and
Speaker 2: be trusted by them because he's Santa. He's like British Santa.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that they greenlit this show.
Speaker 2: We need a gutt to be Santa. Claus picked the
Speaker 2: let's have a giant pedophile. Yeah, the guy whom less
Speaker 2: all the kids bring him on. He'll be a great Santa. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the dreams he made come true ran the gamut.
Speaker 2: In one early episode, a child wished to fly like
Speaker 2: Peter Pand and sword fight Captain Hook and Jim's crew
Speaker 2: used like stage rigging and theater equipment to make that
Speaker 2: happen in the same way you would for like a
Speaker 2: Broadway production.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Another kid wanted to take his school teacher out for
Speaker 2: an expensive dinner at a fine dining establishment, and so
Speaker 2: they put him up at this like crazy restaurant with
Speaker 2: these really elaborate meals and they fill them all of it.
Speaker 2: You know, you can see why generations of Britain's ate
Speaker 2: this show up right. That said, as innocent as this
Speaker 2: is sounds and should have been. The content wasn't always innocent,
Speaker 2: and in fact, Jimmy can't help himself from like making
Speaker 2: references to his current and future sex crimes. There's bits
Speaker 2: of that littered all throughout episodes of jim Will Fix It.
Speaker 2: Sophie's gonna provide you with show you all one brief clip.
Speaker 2: Ever since I can remember, I've always wanted to be
Speaker 2: a singer, but shyness has always got in the way.
Speaker 2: Please because you fix it for me to sing?
Speaker 5: Who was sincerely, Debbie Coleman.
Speaker 8: Here's somebody's a helper who also has.
Speaker 1: A problem with being shy.
Speaker 8: Gary Glitter, So.
Speaker 2: Gary Glitter, hah, that doesn't seem like it was too bad, right,
Speaker 2: Just a kid who wants to be a pop star.
Speaker 2: And he's like, okay, I'll fix you up with my
Speaker 2: friend Gary Glitter. And Gary was indeed, Hey have you
Speaker 2: heard of Gary Courtney? You don't anything about this guy?
Speaker 1: No? No, Also that kid was twenty.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, kid was twenty thankfully. Gary Glitter, a
Speaker 2: major popstar, was a major pop star in the seventies
Speaker 2: and eighties and was a close friend of Jimmy Savell.
Speaker 2: He was brought down in nineteen ninety nine after being
Speaker 2: convicted of downloading child's sex abuse material. He was eventually
Speaker 2: charged with child sex abuse and attempted rape of a child,
Speaker 2: among other offenses. Glitter and Savile partied regularly throughout the
Speaker 2: seventies and eighties and shared a taste for little girls,
Speaker 2: and in Glitter's case, the youngest of his victims were
Speaker 2: ten and eleven. So great that he's hucking them up
Speaker 2: with people on the show. Good to have Gary Glitter
Speaker 2: on Jim Will Fix It. At least that what person
Speaker 2: seems to have been an adult, Thank fucking god, they
Speaker 2: often weren't.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The fact that Jimmy wasn't singled out when Glitter got
Speaker 2: busted is extraordinary, especially because Jim made repeated as I
Speaker 2: was kind of insinuating earlier. He made repeated open comments
Speaker 2: about his attraction to girls as young as eleven in
Speaker 2: episodes of his hit show Top of the Pops and
Speaker 2: in Jim Will Fix It. Here's just one example, and
Speaker 2: this is from the part of Jim Will Fix It
Speaker 2: where he hands out his famous Jim fixed It for
Speaker 2: me Ad Alliens to winners of the show. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna look at that clip right now, if both these.
Speaker 8: Young ladies that Jim'll fix it because how old are you?
Speaker 3: Twelve?
Speaker 8: Hello, judge?
Speaker 3: And how old are you? Ma?
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine. Everybody laughs. Right. What did he
Speaker 2: say to her? He said, he asked her age and
Speaker 2: she said twelve, and he said, hello, judge. Yes, he's
Speaker 2: joking that he's going to molest her and get in trouble.
Speaker 8: God.
Speaker 2: And then the other girl says eleven, and he says,
Speaker 2: are you married? And everyone laughs. I didn't catch young
Speaker 2: larry ladies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wish this isn't again.
Speaker 7: And I think this is part of his stick. I
Speaker 7: was thrown off by how odd he looked at him,
Speaker 7: leaning over and he's like, I didn't barely even get
Speaker 7: Courtney missed it two.
Speaker 4: I was like, what did this strange man say?
Speaker 3: But not really.
Speaker 2: What he's doing is first making a joke about molesting
Speaker 2: a twelve year old and getting in trouble in court,
Speaker 2: and then making a joke about wanting to marry an
Speaker 2: eleven year old. Those are the jokes. He's not hiding
Speaker 2: this or it is. He's hiding in very plain sight,
Speaker 2: and that that hello judge bit is a constant. That's
Speaker 2: one of Jim's like catchphrases, right is he'll reference his
Speaker 2: attraction to a young girl and then go hello, judge.
Speaker 2: You know, he makes constant jokes. He'll also joke about
Speaker 2: having an upcoming court date, like I've had a great
Speaker 2: life and I go to you know, my trials next
Speaker 2: Thursday or something like that was like a really common
Speaker 2: reference from him. So there's a lot of bits about
Speaker 2: him being in trouble with the law for his attraction
Speaker 2: to underaged girls that he performs on air with regularity.
Speaker 2: Once he dies and all of the stories of the
Speaker 2: actual abuse start flooding out into the open, people begin
Speaker 2: looking through old episodes of Jim Will Fix It, and
Speaker 2: they find a lot of evidence of the pedophile hiding
Speaker 2: and plain sight. For an example of that, here's one
Speaker 2: find from a user on the website Beta dot com
Speaker 2: and this guy's actually like posting video from an old episode.
Speaker 2: He's like filming it on his laptop. Again, a lot
Speaker 2: of these original episodes are kind of harder to find now.
Speaker 2: So Selvie's gonna play you a clip that starts with
Speaker 2: Jimmy reading this kid's letter.
Speaker 3: Well, I think about that one as well.
Speaker 8: From Notching for London, Eastport, did Jimmy fix it? I
Speaker 8: think you have fixed enough people now and I think
Speaker 8: it is about time you were fixed. So will you
Speaker 8: fix it for me to come along to the VBC
Speaker 8: theater and fix you? Lots of love Barclay Quarter, then yes,
Speaker 8: please do not tickle me. Yeah, Barkley, I'm presuming with
Speaker 8: blacka qatermen that you happen to be a young man
Speaker 8: and of tickling young men. But if you have a
Speaker 8: sister who knows.
Speaker 2: Again again, it's just he's just everyone laughs at this
Speaker 2: joke about this weird guy tickling a female child against
Speaker 2: your will. Right, It's just funny. It's a bit, you know,
Speaker 2: Nobody takes it seriously. It's fucking amazing how openness is
Speaker 2: like the man. If the show was called Jim a Pedophile,
Speaker 2: it could hardly be more open about this guy's proclivities. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and yet like paradoxically, the jokes act as a sort
Speaker 2: of camouflage, as does as you've said, the way he's
Speaker 2: dressed and the way he presents himself, it all helps him.
Speaker 2: It's very effective at letting him hide and play in sight,
Speaker 2: and in some ways it's giving him like the fact
Speaker 2: that he brings the audience in, makes them complicit. That's
Speaker 2: part of the tactic. He's they're giving him permission to
Speaker 2: act the way he does. If everyone's laughing, can what
Speaker 2: he said really be so bad? Right?
Speaker 1: But it's crazy that when Gary Glitter goes down or whatever,
Speaker 1: they're not like, oh wait a minute, what about his
Speaker 1: best friend?
Speaker 2: But it happened. That happens so often that some guy
Speaker 2: will go down for pedophilia who is known as a
Speaker 2: close friend of Jimmy Savill, and Jimmy doesn't get in
Speaker 2: trouble like it happens a bunch good stuff. I'm happy?
Speaker 2: How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: I'm okay?
Speaker 2: Have we had a second ad break yet, Sophie?
Speaker 4: We have not.
Speaker 2: We have not. Let's do that the fuck now, Let's
Speaker 2: take a second and then come back and we're back.
Speaker 2: So jim will fix it with such an outrageous hit
Speaker 2: that it launched Jimmy's career as a superstar, or at
Speaker 2: least a UK superstar. He's never people will notice. He
Speaker 2: never really crosses over in the way that like some
Speaker 2: big BBC figures do. But he's very popular within the UK.
Speaker 2: As Dave Gilbert summarizes generations, of Britain's also remember him
Speaker 2: for a string of public information films, including a road
Speaker 2: safety promotion that encouraged motorists to use their seat belts,
Speaker 2: a campaign that started before wearing belts became compulsory in
Speaker 2: the UK. Savill's closing catchphrase clunk click every trip was
Speaker 2: instantly memorable and caught on with the watching public. He
Speaker 2: also promoted the National Rail Network and a campaign dubbed
Speaker 2: this is the Age of the Train. And I read
Speaker 2: that quote because it's it's probably impossible for me to
Speaker 2: get across to an audience of mostly Americans and people
Speaker 2: from elsewhere in the world besides the UK. What Jimmy
Speaker 2: Savil meant to Britons of a certain age. The best
Speaker 2: I can do is to say that for most young
Speaker 2: British kids from like the late sixties and seventies, well,
Speaker 2: really like the seventies through the early nineties, Jimmy Savill
Speaker 2: was the BBC. He has too many TV shows to
Speaker 2: keep track of. He's and whenever there's like a big
Speaker 2: we're doing a big fundraiser, we're doing a big New
Speaker 2: Year's or whatever thing, we're doing a big holiday thing,
Speaker 2: Jimmy's the guy who gets picked a lot of times
Speaker 2: to like headline or MC because he's the face of
Speaker 2: the BBC right for like twenty years.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like Regius Philbin or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like read but even like I was aware
Speaker 2: of Regis as a kid, but we have so much
Speaker 2: choice and option for channels and the KAY didn't as
Speaker 2: much in this period of time. So the fact that
Speaker 2: he is the face of the BBC, like he's to
Speaker 2: a lot of kids, they would have just seen Jimmy
Speaker 2: as like woven into the foundation of the earth almost
Speaker 2: in like if you can if you were a nineties kid,
Speaker 2: a kind of like the late eighties through the nineties,
Speaker 2: the way that Robin Williams was to our generation where
Speaker 2: it was just like this is just like a Robin
Speaker 2: never did anything wrong that I'm aware of, but uh
Speaker 2: steal some jokes but uh forgivable. You know, he was
Speaker 2: pretty coked out, but that level of like this this
Speaker 2: guy is woven into the firmament as like a part
Speaker 2: of your childhood, right yeah. And they're like an uncle,
Speaker 2: like an angle, like the country's weird uncle.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy one, Jimmy also started volunteering at the
Speaker 2: National Spinal Injury Center at the Stoke Mandivil Hospital. He
Speaker 2: not only raised money to renovate the hospital's facilities, which
Speaker 2: had fallen into tremendous disrepair, but he started doing regular
Speaker 2: shifts as an orderly, helping new patients to their rooms
Speaker 2: and doing rounds just as an employee would have done.
Speaker 2: As we'll talk about, this goes on for decades. From
Speaker 2: the start of Jimmy's time volunteering at Stoke Mandival, there
Speaker 2: were rumors that Jimmy, per one acquaintance at the BBC
Speaker 2: abused his position by having sexual relations with patients, but
Speaker 2: this source insists he never heard anything about illegal activity
Speaker 2: with underaged girls. So this guy is saying, basically, everyone
Speaker 2: knew that Jimmy's sleeping with patients at the hospital that
Speaker 2: he's helping to fund and is working at as an orderly,
Speaker 2: but we never thought that it was they were underage.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's like, okay, forty, but it's hard for them to
Speaker 1: get away. They have some real injury.
Speaker 2: That's literally why he does it. Yes, that's that is
Speaker 2: that is the tactic care. Unfortunately, the dark now, however
Speaker 2: prevalent these rumors are, they weren't enough to offset the
Speaker 2: funds that he's raising for Stoke Mandville, particularly at a
Speaker 2: time by the late seventies, Great Britain's social safety net
Speaker 2: is starting to look like it's running on fumes.
Speaker 7: It's pretty it's pretty gross that they're like that that,
Speaker 7: Like the cost of like fundraising is just like mass
Speaker 7: sexual abuse.
Speaker 2: Pedophile abuse people. Yeah, otherwise we won't have money to
Speaker 2: keep the spine hospital in business.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they really value they really value people's lives and wellness, and.
Speaker 3: Just so.
Speaker 2: Much angrier. You get so much anger.
Speaker 7: I was like trying to like hold I got really
Speaker 7: angry after part two, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna try to pace myself this.
Speaker 2: For an idea of how bad this is. We don't
Speaker 2: went on the product of factors doing trigger warnings on
Speaker 2: this show. Like I cried during the research of these
Speaker 2: episodes that hasn't happened for years, Like I am dead
Speaker 2: inside and I was fucking full on weeping during some
Speaker 2: of the research for this because what he's just the
Speaker 2: scale of it and the the degree to which his
Speaker 2: victims had no possible method of fighting back against him. Right,
Speaker 2: these are He's going after peace people who are the
Speaker 2: most desperate people he can find in his society. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's talk about Margaret Thatcher. In nineteen seventy seven, Savill
Speaker 2: first hod It a hosted member of Parliament Margaret Thatcher
Speaker 2: on a visit to Stoke Mandeville. The two became fast friends.
Speaker 2: Thatcher liked Jimmy because his talent for raising money to
Speaker 2: fund public programs and facilities meant that the government didn't
Speaker 2: need to use as much tax money to support the NHS. Jimmy,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, seems to have instinctively seen that
Speaker 2: Thatcher was going places and he wanted her to owe him.
Speaker 2: His opportunity to do this would come as a result
Speaker 2: of the harsh austerity policies Thatcher sought to press upon
Speaker 2: the country if she became Prime Minister. Her vision of
Speaker 2: an ideal Britain didn't include public funding for health care,
Speaker 2: but did include a worship of wealthy and powerful people
Speaker 2: and the charity they might be convinced to provide rather
Speaker 2: than compulsory taxes. By nineteen seventy eight, Saville was one
Speaker 2: of the most prominent charitable fundraisers in the country. If
Speaker 2: you just tax rich people to fund your social safe
Speaker 2: and you have to fund your hospitals, then none of
Speaker 2: them are particularly like like gain a position of necessarily
Speaker 2: power over the organizations they're funding. If you're just paying
Speaker 2: taxes and that keeps the hospitals going, you can't just
Speaker 2: if you just walk into the hospital, We're like, well,
Speaker 2: my taxes pay for this hospital. People are gonna be
Speaker 2: like fuck you. But if you walk in and say
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, like you guys are gonna have
Speaker 2: to close down, and I raise ten million dollars to
Speaker 2: keep you in business, They're gonna let you do whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That's why a lot of rich people love charity.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That's why again, if you watch The Bone Temple, the
Speaker 2: bad guys in the Bone Temple are based on Jimmy Savell.
Speaker 2: They're traveling around doing what they call charity. This is
Speaker 2: like that. That whole movie is a critique of Thatcherism
Speaker 2: and Savill's rolling it anyway. I love that film.
Speaker 1: You're talking me into a wealth tax right now, that's
Speaker 1: what it's.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. However, has Farrell Kenney noted in his piece
Speaker 2: for the UK Tribune Savell quote preferred small local charities
Speaker 2: over large ones with organized structures. He does a lot
Speaker 2: of charity. But again, it's mostly with these smaller orgs
Speaker 2: for a reason, because then they're totally dependent on him,
Speaker 2: and there's not going to be as much red tape,
Speaker 2: there's not going to be as much you know, people
Speaker 2: looking into what he's actually doing. And in Kenney's article,
Speaker 2: he links to a super eight video from nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: eight of Jimmy hosting a charity event for blind children.
Speaker 2: In the video, Saville receives a flower from a young
Speaker 2: blind girl and then a drawing of himself. And I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna have Sophie show you the clip and we'll
Speaker 2: describe what's happening for those of you who like, he's
Speaker 2: out in front of this facility. He's got on like
Speaker 2: this shirt that looks like a fucking what's that?
Speaker 1: It's like a game of twister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like a game of twister. I don't
Speaker 2: know how else to describe it. And yeah, there's this
Speaker 2: little blind girl, looks like she's maybe twelve, being like
Speaker 2: led up to him so she can give him this
Speaker 2: this drawing of himself.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's so pretty as well, oh.
Speaker 2: Did he say?
Speaker 4: And she's so pretty as well?
Speaker 2: And she's so pretty as well, goodness gracious, and again,
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily upsetting unless you know what's actually
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 4: So icky, if he wasn't such a fucking.
Speaker 2: Pedophile, yeah, exactly. Now. At the time, the more noteworthy
Speaker 2: thing about that performance is that he takes out this
Speaker 2: photo that's been drawn of him and he jokes about
Speaker 2: it being a photo fit of the Yorkshire Ripper, right.
Speaker 2: He jokes that this drawing of him is like actually
Speaker 2: a picture of the Yorkshire Ripper, who's a serial killer
Speaker 2: that was active at the time. This is a guy
Speaker 2: who is ultimately murders more than a dozen women by
Speaker 2: the time he's caught and is actively killing people, and
Speaker 2: like the police are actively looking for him in nineteen
Speaker 2: seven eight. Now, the real Yorkshire Ripper was named Peter Sutcliffe.
Speaker 2: And again he was ultimately caught and convicted of his crimes,
Speaker 2: I think in nineteen eighty one, but that's like three
Speaker 2: years away. And what's interesting about this to me, just
Speaker 2: as a side bit, is that at the time Jimmy
Speaker 2: jokes about looking like the Yorkshire Ripper, he was an
Speaker 2: active suspect in the murders. My quote from the telegram,
Speaker 2: Savell was brought in for questioning after members of the
Speaker 2: public contacted the police naming him as a possible subject.
Speaker 2: After a body was found close to Savill's Roundey Park home,
Speaker 2: a Harley Street dentist was ordered to make a cast
Speaker 2: of Savell's teeth. Now, again, Jimmy wasn't the ripper, but
Speaker 2: it says a lot about what he was doing and
Speaker 2: how many people did try to stop him, that so
Speaker 2: many members of the public reported him as being the
Speaker 2: likely culprit that the police force, which was largely staffed
Speaker 2: by his friends, had to investigate. That's how many people
Speaker 2: think they know there's something going on that they're like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he's maybe he's this real killer, right, Like, there's
Speaker 2: a lot people do know what's happening. And then you
Speaker 2: try to do something.
Speaker 1: He's a serial something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild that he's joking about it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: That same year, nineteen seventy eight, Jimmy wrote another book,
Speaker 2: God'll Fix It, about his Catholic faith. It included these
Speaker 2: chilling lines. In my early years, I can tell you
Speaker 2: I did a lot of things that need a bit
Speaker 2: of forgiveness. I was in a business that was fraught
Speaker 2: with temptations. Temptations of the flesh are all about so
Speaker 2: in my early days, I was a great And he
Speaker 2: puts this in quotations, abuser of things and bodies and people. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: couldn't be more clear interesting that abusers in quotation marks.
Speaker 2: I don't know what entirely he meant by that, but
Speaker 2: you know he's not as interesting Heidene. Yeah. Now, the
Speaker 2: fact that he's so public about aspects of his personal life,
Speaker 2: as we'll call it, has consequences for him. Other people
Speaker 2: do read what he's writing and read these interviews, will
Speaker 2: he'll talk about his sex life, and they get upset.
Speaker 2: Even if they don't all they don't always mark him
Speaker 2: out as a potential pedophile. They don't always realize what's happening,
Speaker 2: but they know that something is wrong. And there's also
Speaker 2: people in the pop industry who know more. Again, maybe
Speaker 2: not everything, but they know enough, They know enough other
Speaker 2: people that they know something about what's going on. One
Speaker 2: of these people is sex Pistols frontman John Lydon, who
Speaker 2: said in an interview in nineteen seventy eight, I'd like
Speaker 2: to kill Jimmy Saville. I think he's a hypocrite. I
Speaker 2: bet he's into all kinds of seediness that we all
Speaker 2: know about, but are not allowed to talk about. I
Speaker 2: know some rumors. He then added, I bet none of
Speaker 2: this will be allowed out, and it wasn't. The clip
Speaker 2: did not air with the rest of the interview. It's
Speaker 2: good for that, yeah said something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean like that guy had a lot
Speaker 7: of power and he didn't do that much with it.
Speaker 4: But like you know better than every other adults in
Speaker 4: this converse, in this entire thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we'll talk about you know, libel laws in
Speaker 2: the UK. A big part of why stuff like that
Speaker 2: gets cut out is Jimmy's litigious and people are scared
Speaker 2: of being sued by him. Prior to the nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine elections, Saffle hosted a special episode of jim Will
Speaker 2: Fix It at the Houses of Parliament, where Margaret Thatcher
Speaker 2: asked him to fix it for her to become Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: She was elected on May third of that year. Right
Speaker 2: after she took office, Thatcher had her staff at Downing
Speaker 2: Street called Jimmy quote. Her secretary rang to say she
Speaker 2: was rather upset because I hadn't been round to give
Speaker 2: her a badge. To give her her badge, I reported
Speaker 2: to Downing Street a few days later and presented it.
Speaker 2: Oh good, thank you Jimmy for Margaret Thatcher for fixing
Speaker 2: it so she got to be Prime Minister.
Speaker 4: I really hate when.
Speaker 2: A woman gets it so wrong. Oh she's it's we
Speaker 2: have barely I crashed the surface of how bad this is.
Speaker 2: Now not law. After this, jim was carrying out Jim's
Speaker 2: Daily Dozen, a series of sponsored runs through various British towns,
Speaker 2: meant his fundraisers for different causes. He asked Margaret which
Speaker 2: charity she wanted a chunk of the money he was
Speaker 2: raising to go to, and he ultimately presented her with
Speaker 2: a check for ten thousand pounds for the National Society
Speaker 2: for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children the NSPCC. That's
Speaker 2: good Thatcher love cares deeply about the kids. Obviously, now
Speaker 2: Jimmy and Margaret would remain close friends for the remainder
Speaker 2: of Thatcher's PM ship and life. Jimmy's skill with charity
Speaker 2: was extremely convenient given Thatcher's conservative austerity politics. By the
Speaker 2: start of Thatcher's term, the National Spinal Injury Center at
Speaker 2: stoke manvill was in such bad shape that five ceilings
Speaker 2: of housing units had collapsed during a winter storm. The
Speaker 2: NHS needed additional funding for repairs, and that was very
Speaker 2: much not in the budget or in the spirit of Thatcherism. However,
Speaker 2: Stoke Mandeville is a major facility in the UK. It's
Speaker 2: like a historically important hospital, and allowing the facility to
Speaker 2: collapse would make for terrible pr Because you want to
Speaker 2: cut the budget, you want to cut quote unquote entitlements,
Speaker 2: but you don't want people to realize that they're you're
Speaker 2: taking away their health care so that rich people have
Speaker 2: more money. You really want to hide that until the
Speaker 2: latest possible moment. Savill held a meeting with Gerard Vaughan,
Speaker 2: Minister of State for Health, as Davies describes in the
Speaker 2: book for the book Endplane Sight Quote over T and
Speaker 2: K at the House of Commons, Vaughan outlined the new
Speaker 2: government's thinking on the National Health Services, a philosophy which
Speaker 2: ordained that special projects such as rebuilding work at hospitals,
Speaker 2: even such urgent work as that required at Stoke Mandival,
Speaker 2: would have to be supported by voluntary contributions, in line
Speaker 2: with the cuts in public expenditure Prime Minister Thatcher was
Speaker 2: implementing across the board. Vaughn suggested this meant they had
Speaker 2: a problem, not really, replied Saville, and they struck a deal.
Speaker 2: Savell what Jimmy Savely would lead a campaign to rebuild
Speaker 2: the spinal injuries unit at Stoke Manduvil using private money
Speaker 2: and donations. In other words, it was to be a
Speaker 2: pioneering example of the type of partnership between government and
Speaker 2: the public that the Prime Minister was so keen to promote. Now,
Speaker 2: the renovations were to cost between six and ten million pounds,
Speaker 2: as Jimmy announced it a subsequent press conference. When he
Speaker 2: was asked shouldn't the NHS just be funding this, he replied,
Speaker 2: this is the way they used to build hospitals years ago,
Speaker 2: and laid out how a simple five pound donation could
Speaker 2: pay for a brick, allowing every Briton a chance to
Speaker 2: support one of the most famous hospitals in the country.
Speaker 2: To make a long story short, it worked. Savill used
Speaker 2: his connections to wealth and fame to solicit high dollar donations,
Speaker 2: and his ability to connect with average Britons and host
Speaker 2: public runs and other fundraisers to solicit large numbers of
Speaker 2: small dollar donations. Now he does succeed in convincing Thatcher
Speaker 2: to contribute half a million pounds of public money to
Speaker 2: the cause. Right, But that means this goes from a
Speaker 2: thing that the NHS would have had to pay ten
Speaker 2: million pounds of public money to do, to something they
Speaker 2: have to pay just a half million pounds a public
Speaker 2: money to do, because he raises the other nine and
Speaker 2: a half that's needed. Once the money was raised, Saffle
Speaker 2: was fetted in a public press conference next to Prince
Speaker 2: Charles and Margaret Thatcher herself. This marks the beginning of
Speaker 2: his true climb up the rungs of power and fame
Speaker 2: in British high society. As Faro Kinney writes, the preceding
Speaker 2: years had seen Saffle work his way upwards through media elites,
Speaker 2: dance halls to radio, pop television to primetime flagship television,
Speaker 2: as well as integrating into the National Health Service. The
Speaker 2: years that followed, however, can be understood as savile, tirelessly
Speaker 2: working upwards through the British establishment, the Thatcher government, the monarchy,
Speaker 2: and an ever present relationship with the police.
Speaker 4: So do we have any evidence that Charles knows a bit?
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Charles a lot more. Don't worry, Zovie,
Speaker 2: you can come to your.
Speaker 6: Conclusion because I'm just thinking like he he got like
Speaker 6: some you know, I would guess we were not upset
Speaker 6: with him for you know, not standing in the way
Speaker 6: of his brother getting arrested for being a disgusting pedophile
Speaker 6: and he got praised for it, and so did he.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk a lot more about nearly done.
Speaker 4: No more, I'd like to know more, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: From the Thatcher years on, Savill was what some Royal
Speaker 2: family watchers described as a court gesture to the family. Right,
Speaker 2: that's the role he takes on socially. Savil first meets
Speaker 2: Prince Charles in nineteen seventy seven, which is the same
Speaker 2: year that he met Thatcher and Princess Diana herself later
Speaker 2: wrote that Jimmy was a mentor to the future king.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That's Princess dies take on things that Jimmy Saville is
Speaker 2: her husband's mentor. Now, I was not at all surprised
Speaker 2: to learn that Saville and Thatcher had used each other
Speaker 2: for mutual benefit. What did surprise me is that this
Speaker 2: seems to have been a genuine friendship on Margaret's part,
Speaker 2: as in she deeply liked and appreciated this historically prolific rapist,
Speaker 2: and he seems to have enjoyed her company and considered
Speaker 2: her a safe person to joke around with. After one
Speaker 2: lunch in nineteen eighty one, Savil wrote a letter to
Speaker 2: Thatcher that included the lines, my girl, patients pretended to
Speaker 2: be madly jealous and wanted to know what you wore
Speaker 2: and what you ate. All the paralyzed lads called me
Speaker 2: Sir James all week. They all love you me too. Great.
Speaker 2: Its beautiful to see a friendship blossom. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: wonderful here.
Speaker 7: I don't like I don't like the use of me
Speaker 7: too and savile in the same center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: A little bit about they all called me Sir James
Speaker 2: is something he includes here because as soon as he
Speaker 2: becomes friends with Thatcher, Saville starts working her to try
Speaker 2: to get a white right he's already obe The next
Speaker 2: step up is a knighthood baby, and Margaret spends like
Speaker 2: a decade fighting for this. She fights, She spends years
Speaker 2: pushing Jimmy to be a night. In nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 2: Thatcher wrote Sir Robert Armstrong, the chair of the National
Speaker 2: Honors Committee, to ask about making Savill a Knight but
Speaker 2: Sir Robert said no, and his reasoning wasn't that Jimmy
Speaker 2: was like obviously a dangerous child predator. It was that
Speaker 2: he'd just endured a minor scandal about some comments he'd
Speaker 2: made in an interview about the young girls he hung
Speaker 2: out with at his charity runs. The AIDS crisis was
Speaker 2: on fire at that point, and Sir Robert thought it
Speaker 2: was inappropriate for the government to celebrate and endorse a
Speaker 2: man who made light of premarital sex. He pointed out
Speaker 2: that the lurid details of Jimmy's sexcapades hadn't faded from
Speaker 2: public memory yet, and it would be best if mister
Speaker 2: Savill were to wait a little bit longer for the
Speaker 2: BBC quote. We were remain worried, he added. Fears a
Speaker 2: bit expressed that mister Saville might not be able to
Speaker 2: refrain from exploiting a knighthood in a way which brought
Speaker 2: the honor system into disrepute. You know, accurate, There's.
Speaker 1: No way this was a genuine friendship. They're both just
Speaker 1: empty inside and they're such climber fucking fuses the shit.
Speaker 2: She goes to bat for him, though, right, you know, which,
Speaker 2: like do any of these people have real friendships inasmuch
Speaker 2: as Thatcher ever did or Savile ever did, right, they
Speaker 2: were tightly they both very much needed each other, right.
Speaker 1: And that's like when Trump talks about having like his friends, like,
Speaker 1: you don't have one single friend on this foot.
Speaker 2: Really, but you have people you need. And it's noteworthy.
Speaker 2: The amount that Margaret goes to bat for Jimmy shows
Speaker 2: you how much she thinks she needs him. He is
Speaker 2: not just celebrity, he's kind of friendly. She is a
Speaker 2: major he's a major part of Thatcherism. But she needs him, Okay.
Speaker 2: He allows her to do a lot of the austerity
Speaker 2: shit she wants to do without seeming like she's fucking
Speaker 2: the country as much as she is, because he's keeping
Speaker 2: the lights on in some of these facilities. And in return,
Speaker 2: he gets a blind eyed turn to his molestation of
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of people because he's keeping the lights
Speaker 2: on in these facilities, which allows her to fucking to
Speaker 2: the bone.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That's Savell's role in Thatcherism, and it's a significant one,
Speaker 2: as shown by how much Margaret herself goes to bat
Speaker 2: for this guy. Now, the fact that it's great love
Speaker 2: it when Margaret Thatcher's in the story. Now, the fact
Speaker 2: that Sir Robert is worried Savell would use being knighted
Speaker 2: in order to like for his own benefit in some
Speaker 2: way that through the system into disrepute was prescient. Savile's
Speaker 2: already at this point using his fame as a charitable
Speaker 2: fundraiser to shut down investigations into his sex crimes. For
Speaker 2: the BBC, Savill persuaded the tabloids not to run stories
Speaker 2: by telling them they would be responsible for the end
Speaker 2: of his charity fundraising. Savill himself admitted in an interview
Speaker 2: people leap about. Yes, they do if he wants something
Speaker 2: because of his charitable work, right, Folks will do anything
Speaker 2: for me because of all the money I'm raising for
Speaker 2: good causes. Now, any hope of negative reporting on Savill's
Speaker 2: crimes was further dashed by his close public friendship with Thatcher. Again,
Speaker 2: this makes it harder. You're some fucking kid who's like
Speaker 2: at a juvenile fuck, like a facility or whatever because
Speaker 2: you got in trouble for something and Jimmy's molesting you
Speaker 2: and this guy's you're gonna try to report the guy
Speaker 2: who's friends with the Prime Minister. Yeah, that'll work.
Speaker 1: And one of the kid and the real family and the.
Speaker 2: Prince yeah, and the royal fucking family. In one episode
Speaker 2: of jim Will Fix It, a little girl asks to
Speaker 2: be a cop for a day at ten Downing Street,
Speaker 2: and Jimmy uses his connections to Thatcher to fix it.
Speaker 2: He gets she gets a cop uniform, and she gets
Speaker 2: like patrol around in front of the Prime Minister's residence.
Speaker 2: And when when Thatcher shows up in her limo or whatever, like,
Speaker 2: the kid gets like escortter from her car to her residence.
Speaker 2: TV viewers eat this up like it's adorable, right, But
Speaker 2: his victims, many of whom are stuck in hospitals and
Speaker 2: psychiatric wards. See this is more evidence that jim is untouchable.
Speaker 2: I found an article on the website Investigative Psychiatry that's
Speaker 2: like analyzing a bunch of different investigations several because after
Speaker 2: it all comes out how many people he was abusing,
Speaker 2: all the hospitals he volunteered at have these internal investigations
Speaker 2: into how Jimmy was allowed to abuse their patients for decades,
Speaker 2: and there's like an NHS investigation, an n SEC investigation.
Speaker 2: So this article kind of summarizing all those into investigations
Speaker 2: notes he leveraged his fame and claims of high level
Speaker 2: political friendships to intimidate those around him. He successfully made
Speaker 2: hospital staff believe he had the power to have them fired,
Speaker 2: well simultaneously coercing vulnerable patients into believing that reporting his
Speaker 2: abuse would only worsen their treatment and lead to punishment.
Speaker 2: Now he's yeah, it's great. And the fact that for
Speaker 2: an idea of how much fucking absolute impunity he has.
Speaker 2: You remember in the first couple episodes we talked about
Speaker 2: Jimmy's got this weird thing about dead bodies as a kid.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a regular like thing, like he makes
Speaker 2: some really weird statements whenever he sees like dead people that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, saw that chit get chopped up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let me read a quote from a BBC article I'm afraid.
Speaker 2: Doctor Sue Proctor, who chared an inquiry into Saval's actions
Speaker 2: that leads General Infirmary, said the star also had an
Speaker 2: unwholesome interest in the dead. It is alleged he posed
Speaker 2: for photographs and performed sex acts on corpses in the
Speaker 2: hospital mortuary. She also referred to Savle's claims that large
Speaker 2: rings he wore were made from the glass eyes of
Speaker 2: dead bodies at the mortuary. There's more we could say here.
Speaker 2: Jimmy's a necrophile. He's abusing dead boy. That's like bad
Speaker 2: and gross. That's kind of all we're gonna say that
Speaker 2: in these episodes. It's important you know that about him.
Speaker 2: But like we're folks, like the living people are like
Speaker 2: my primary concern obviously, like this is bad due it's
Speaker 2: just meant so bad this guy is. The necrophilia is
Speaker 2: like a side note. Also, he's doing this. It's not
Speaker 2: on the front burner in terms of like the things
Speaker 2: he's doing bad.
Speaker 5: Could you I just want you to repeat that one
Speaker 5: part about what did you say he was with?
Speaker 4: What the ring?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah what? Yeah? He had he wore he loves
Speaker 2: He's got these big rings and he would tell everybody
Speaker 2: he made comments on this publicly. They're made from like
Speaker 2: the glass eyes from dead bodies that mortuaries. That's where
Speaker 2: his rings get there, like big Gym's from. I will
Speaker 2: want to say to that, thanks man. So my interpretation
Speaker 2: of what's kind of going on behind the scenes in
Speaker 2: Jimmy Savile's head through this period is this, You've got
Speaker 2: this guy who gets his start as a hit DJ
Speaker 2: in a time when that means unlimited sexual access to
Speaker 2: teenage girls. He enjoys this for years, but he's not
Speaker 2: an idiot. He can see this isn't going to last forever.
Speaker 2: And since he doesn't really like any of his fellow
Speaker 2: DJs socially, he's got enough perspective to realize they're flirting
Speaker 2: with danger while literally flirting with children. The BBC offers
Speaker 2: him a professional escape to a world with less scrutiny
Speaker 2: and more money, just as his old colleagues start drawing
Speaker 2: attention for their behavior. And then he realizes the more
Speaker 2: big public acts of charity he does, the more good
Speaker 2: he gets in with the people running the country, and
Speaker 2: the more camouflage he gets for his behavior. And this
Speaker 2: provides him with direct access to victims in his preferred
Speaker 2: age range who can't defend themselves. And that's why he
Speaker 2: volunteers primarily at spinal wards psychiatric hospitals and as we'll
Speaker 2: talk about in our next episode, the Duncroft Approved School
Speaker 2: for girls. Okay, and that's part three.
Speaker 1: I Oh my.
Speaker 4: God, I hate this guy.
Speaker 2: Harrowing stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 1: This is the worst one I've ever done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is one of the worst ones
Speaker 2: we've ever done. This guy is uh the devil, the
Speaker 2: devil himself. Really, I don't even know if.
Speaker 4: There's a word to properly describe how disgusting he is.
Speaker 2: No, No, I've.
Speaker 4: Been trying to think of one, and I'm sad a lost.
Speaker 2: He's just a fox that got let into a hen
Speaker 2: house made up of every single person in a hospital
Speaker 2: in the UK.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I don't even you gotta flug something sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my book. Let me recover for a second. I wrote
Speaker 1: a book. It's honestly way happier than this, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of sad in the book. It's called Girl
Speaker 1: Gone Wild and it's it's feminist, which we need after
Speaker 1: listening to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds nice.
Speaker 4: Abhorrent, abhorrent. I'm just come to credit. I'm just throwing
Speaker 4: out words. Abhorous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, obscene, I don't know, revolting.
Speaker 2: Loathsome m loathsome is a good one. Yeah, we use
Speaker 2: that word or not? Yeah, loathsome. Let's end with loathsome.
Speaker 3: Okay.
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