WEBVTT - Ed Roland

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left SAIDs podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest today is Ed Rulan of Collective soul Head.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about the new album.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a double album. We'll start there when we

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<v Speaker 2>set out to make a single record, but we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got inspired by where we were recording the record.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother who's in the band, lives in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, we had the month of January

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<v Speaker 2>off in twenty twenty three, and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I got some songs. Let's get the band together make

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<v Speaker 2>another record. We already had one plan to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, uh, well we've never recorded west of

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<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi. Why don't we record out here and near me?

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<v Speaker 2>And I about five or six years ago, had run

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<v Speaker 2>into or met, befriended the people that owned Elvis Presley's

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<v Speaker 2>estate in Palm Springs, two homes when he passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course everybody knows Graceland, and then he on this

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<v Speaker 2>place in Palm Springs, which when he passed was just

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<v Speaker 2>left like Priscilla wanted nothing to do with it, Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>Marie wanted nothing to do with it. But he spent

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<v Speaker 2>his last Thanksgiving, his last Christmas, his last birthday, and

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<v Speaker 2>he last three recordings he did there in that house.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd seen the home before and RCA acoustically treated

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<v Speaker 2>it for him to record there. So I called those

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<v Speaker 2>guys up, my friends, and I was like, Hey, can

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<v Speaker 2>we have Elvis's house for the month of January? And

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<v Speaker 2>they said, of course, yeah, whatever you want. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no furniture, there's nothing in there. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>water may run, it may not. You may have hot water,

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<v Speaker 2>you may not. So we were like, all right, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>take it though it's Elvis's house. So we go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and we put furniture in there because there's no furniture,

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<v Speaker 2>and just set up the studio in there and started recording.

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<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing when it went in to do,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, a single record. The guys we're old school,

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<v Speaker 2>like Johnny. Our drummer sets his drums up and then

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<v Speaker 2>we circle horseshoe around him and I present them a

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<v Speaker 2>song if they like it. We kind of worked through

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<v Speaker 2>it for an hour to see the parts and the vibe,

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<v Speaker 2>what we're feeling, and then we do maybe three, no

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<v Speaker 2>more than five takes. We do five takes because I

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<v Speaker 2>count them. If it's five takes. It's like, we got

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<v Speaker 2>to come back to this. It's usually it's three takes.

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<v Speaker 2>So in four days we recorded twelve songs. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, we still got three weeks to go, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't y'all just go enjoy golf, hiking, biking, go

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<v Speaker 2>to Joshua Tree. I don't care. Let me just see

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<v Speaker 2>if I could come up with some other songs. So

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<v Speaker 2>I stayed at Elvis's house for four days and I

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<v Speaker 2>went to what they called his party room where he

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<v Speaker 2>throw all his parties. And I'm a Vinyl guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>love Vinyl. So I had fifty of my heroes albums

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<v Speaker 2>that I knew I wanted to listen to. Shift out,

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<v Speaker 2>got a record player, and I just sat in Elvis's

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<v Speaker 2>party room dance, listen to my heroes, or as I

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<v Speaker 2>like to call him, my professor's teachers. And somehow came

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<v Speaker 2>up with ten more songs and they came back in

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<v Speaker 2>and there you have it, a double album.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how were you aware of this house?

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<v Speaker 2>I had met through a show a friend, my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Michael Rogers. We called him Spike. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, we have this house in palm

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<v Speaker 2>springs in Elvis's house. He knew I was an Elvis fan.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's crazy, and I said, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to come out. He goes anytime. So I came out,

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<v Speaker 2>and then him and Tim the other owner, were like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're thinking, what We're trying to figure out what to

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<v Speaker 2>do with this house because you don't want to lose

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<v Speaker 2>what it was because it's Elvis, but it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dated, beautiful piece of property. But they didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to take away from where Elvis lived. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a tear down. They really wanted to try to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain and contain, sustain what they thought Elvis would have

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<v Speaker 2>been living in that time. So they ask if I

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<v Speaker 2>would be interested in doing like a a show, like

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<v Speaker 2>a YouTube show where artists would come in and they

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<v Speaker 2>would perform their new songs, and then they performed two

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<v Speaker 2>Elvis songs. So it started there, and then the pandemic happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it just kind of dissipated from there because

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<v Speaker 2>the whole universe dissipated for a second there. But we

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<v Speaker 2>still kept in touch, and I just like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I just made the call to him and was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you still got that Elvis house anything going on, So

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<v Speaker 2>it was really just luck of the draw. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually cool to think that I am the only man

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<v Speaker 2>besides Elvis Presley to sleep in his bedroom as we know.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Okay, what about recording equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>I always I grew up as an engineer recording in

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<v Speaker 2>the studios. I've always had recording gear and I had

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote it down. With today's technology, we use what's

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<v Speaker 2>called Apollo, so I have a half rack, I have

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<v Speaker 2>all these digital mics, and literally I just loaded to

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<v Speaker 2>U haul and had my production fern drive from Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>to Palm Springs with the U Haul and my SUV

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<v Speaker 2>and we just put it in Lisa Maurice. The control

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<v Speaker 2>room was in Lisa Marie's bedroom. Engineer producer Sean slept

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<v Speaker 2>in Priscilla, and I slept in Elvis's bedroom and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the guys. I rented a house that was

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<v Speaker 2>Burt Lancaster's house, which is where Here to Eternity came

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<v Speaker 2>from because of the big movie that him and Frank

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<v Speaker 2>Sinatra from Here to Eternity was a big movie for them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, so the title came really easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, here to attorney, the we're having fun

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<v Speaker 2>and it was that simple. Like with today's technology, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's pack it up and go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're in Atlanta. You know, people want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to warmer weather. It's pretty warm in Georgia where they

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<v Speaker 1>go to Florida. Have you ever been to Palm Springs before?

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<v Speaker 2>Many times the first manager I had, we went to

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<v Speaker 2>la to see if I could get a We were

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<v Speaker 2>looking for an attorney because that was the first thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and try to shop my songs for a publishing deal

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't have a band. I just wanted a

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<v Speaker 2>publishing deal. And he woke me up one morning and said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to Palm Springs. So we went there and

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<v Speaker 2>we went on hikes, and that was my first experience

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<v Speaker 2>with Palm Springs, but I had been there many times

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<v Speaker 2>prior to that. Our old tour manager, who was our

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<v Speaker 2>tour manager for thirteen fourteen years, moved out there, so

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<v Speaker 2>I would just go spend you know, long weekends with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just fell in love with it. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the history, the vibe. The heat doesn't bother me. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, I'm from Atlanta, heat does not bother me. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather have dry heat than the humidity that we

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<v Speaker 2>have here. But because I could play thirty six holes

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<v Speaker 2>of golf and dry heat, I can't do it in humidity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just fell in love with the culture. I

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<v Speaker 2>love that it's non judgmental. I mean, it's just anything goes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, if I had mine to do, but

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<v Speaker 2>I have a family and two boys, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to live there. I just love. And there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many other artists out there that live there now, musicians

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<v Speaker 2>and artists. I just I just find it's funny. I

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<v Speaker 2>only second home I ever had was in Arizona, and

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<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with it because I love the

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<v Speaker 2>living desert. I guess just because living in Georgia, where

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you're living in a shrub, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cut a little shrub here and put a house. I

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, I'm a spiritual cat, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just fell in love the spirituality of living deserts Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas is not a living desert. It's it's living, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a you know, ecosystem living like I love,

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<v Speaker 2>like Palm Springs and Phoenix, Scottsdale, things like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just fell in love with it. My

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<v Speaker 2>wife tells me all the time. She's like, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope I don't get run over. If I do, I

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<v Speaker 2>know where you're gonna end up, Palm Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're right, And do you find the

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<v Speaker 1>environment inspirational creatively?

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent? That's why we only we only recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've only done two. This is our twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>recording studio album, and I think we've done too maybe

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<v Speaker 2>three in proper studios. We love homes. We like once again,

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<v Speaker 2>we're Southern boys and we're very family. Everybody grew up

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<v Speaker 2>with each other and knows each other, and we like

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<v Speaker 2>the environment that a home sets. There is no clock,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not ticking. You don't have to be there at ten.

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<v Speaker 2>You could. You could wake up at eight, have a

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<v Speaker 2>cup of coffee and be inspired. And also like that

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<v Speaker 2>you're a part of the community. It's something different. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a studio, you're not part of a community

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<v Speaker 2>because you feel like you have to be in that

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<v Speaker 2>room with no windows or anything like that. When you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a house, you got windows. You see life moving,

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<v Speaker 2>you see kids, you see everybody walking, hiking, whatever they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's for us and I'm not saying that's the

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<v Speaker 2>right way to do it, or it works for every band,

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<v Speaker 2>but for us, we love that we were a strange

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<v Speaker 2>rock and roll band. We don't. We not only like

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<v Speaker 2>each other, we love each other and we love each

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<v Speaker 2>other's company. So to me, when we go to these destinations,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll use it in that term, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>brings in the vibrations from the community and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of inspires us. And you know, I'm old school. I

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<v Speaker 2>do like the history of the Stones and Zeppelin, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>renting castles or getting in you know, mix you know,

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<v Speaker 2>South of France house and just recording making it work.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't as much about the acoustic as it was

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<v Speaker 2>about the spirit of what they were doing. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of where our gig is.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you mentioned thirty six, so you know a round

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<v Speaker 1>and a half of golf. Are you a good golfer?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play a lot of golf?

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<v Speaker 2>I try to. I would love to. The first time

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<v Speaker 2>I ever played golf we were touring with Van Halen

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<v Speaker 2>and Eddie van Halen came on the bus and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're playing golf tomorrow, cigarette hanging out and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're Eddie Van Halen will do whatever you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got up and he said, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>coolest things ever. He goes, I believe you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a long career. He said. I really like what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I love your personality or your spirit, he goes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something right now. I'm gonna give you

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<v Speaker 2>some advice. Every hotel room looks the same. In his words,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I have a shitter, a bed, a TV,

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<v Speaker 2>a telephone, and he says, you end up at the bar.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, what you need to do is get out,

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<v Speaker 2>you play golf, bike or something. But I want to

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<v Speaker 2>take you to play golf. See if you fall in

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<v Speaker 2>love with it. So my first round of golf was

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<v Speaker 2>with Eddie van at Woodlands in Houston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>And how often do you play? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I can. I'm playing tomorrow morning. I

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<v Speaker 2>just did. And I get to announce this. I do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff for Saint Jude. I go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Warmer Burger and the Ram and I just came

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<v Speaker 2>back and they just asked me to host the one

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<v Speaker 2>in Naples, Florida this year. So it's my golf tournament

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<v Speaker 2>man for Saint Jude. What a great cause, great place.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. And the other cool thing about golf, My

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<v Speaker 2>wife is so cool. When we got married, I was

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<v Speaker 2>really into it and I bought her a set of

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<v Speaker 2>clubs and she said, no, take them back. That's boytime,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your boytime. And I'm like, all right. I started

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<v Speaker 2>taking it too seriously, and then I realized, man, is

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<v Speaker 2>this is just fellowship. You know, it's you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>met some of the coolest people on the planet. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the worst golfer that's played the greatest courses on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, I love it. It's just so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go back to the album. Needless to say,

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<v Speaker 1>the music business on the recording end, it's very different.

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<v Speaker 1>When you had your initial hits in the nineties, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to reach everybody. So for someone who's had international hits,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have the same motivation.

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<v Speaker 2>We've always had the same motivation, and that is for

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<v Speaker 2>us to be happy with what we created. Is if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't be happy with what you've done, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>expect anybody else to. We've never been one to chase

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<v Speaker 2>hit songs anything like that. We literally look at each

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<v Speaker 2>other at the end of the session of the song,

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, everybody call and we're like and usually we're

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<v Speaker 2>all high five in each other, going, man, we got

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<v Speaker 2>lucky again. Or however we do it, however we make

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<v Speaker 2>it happen, And that's that's how we approach it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you can get caught up in that craziness, and

0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.560
<v Speaker 2>we did for a second. You know, you sell a

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<v Speaker 2>million albums and then you go, why didn't we sell

0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.160
<v Speaker 2>a million in one? You know, you get caught up

0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.640
<v Speaker 2>in that rabbit hole. You're going to lose perspective real quick. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but with the songs and the records, we've always been grounded,

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<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense, Like it's it's about the song.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not like, oh this is this is a hit? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows what a hit is? And if you think

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<v Speaker 2>you do, why didn't you do it when you were

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen fifteen, sixteen? Nobody knows. It's just a timing and place.

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<v Speaker 2>But once again, the main, the cornerstone of all of

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<v Speaker 2>it is how you feel as a band and are

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<v Speaker 2>you happy? Do you feel fulfilled with what you just did?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you can feel that, nobody can take that

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<v Speaker 2>away from you. It doesn't mean everybody's gonna like it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's cool. But if you're fulfilled with it, you win.

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<v Speaker 1>So you make a record in today's change marketplace, what

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<v Speaker 1>are your expectations?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's a good question. Let me think

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, my expectation is that we still present

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves musically artistically, and then to honestly go play live.

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<v Speaker 2>We love playing live. That's that's our favorite thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do as a band. We're like some bad frat fraternity.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we love being around each other. I mean we

0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.840
<v Speaker 2>high five, hug each other, you know, make pranks on

0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.680
<v Speaker 2>each other and kid with each other. But it does

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<v Speaker 2>start with the song. But then once that's done, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about just getting on the road. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now the group paid for the record, right, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>So when you start, do you have in mind how

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<v Speaker 1>much money you want to spend, Because it's your money.

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<v Speaker 2>We keep it within a budget. But I will be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Elvis thing came up, I was like, boys,

0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.800
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have We're just gonna have fun. There was

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<v Speaker 2>no limit to be and nobody's crazy, nobody's doing anything stupid,

0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. I was like, this is a once in

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<v Speaker 2>a lifetime thing, and we knew it was gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>our thirtieth record. We didn't know it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a double album. Then when we decided it was

0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.720
<v Speaker 2>to be a double album and we were so inspired

0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.480
<v Speaker 2>being there, I was like, you know what, go get

0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a nice steak dinner, you know, get you a nice

0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.480
<v Speaker 2>bottle of wine. Let's enjoy and absorb this moment. We've

0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.360
<v Speaker 2>earned it and the guys in the band have earned it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that one was a little expensive. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually as this morning, just rented a place in

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<v Speaker 2>the mountains in Tennessee, a cabin where we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do our next record in October. But I keep it

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<v Speaker 2>on a budget. You know, I got to it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you can spend everything. I got two boys I got

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<v Speaker 2>to put through college.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on now, Okay, so the record is done. You're

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<v Speaker 1>the record company. Getting the record on digital services is

0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.400
<v Speaker 1>not that difficult. What do you do for promotion in marketing?

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<v Speaker 1>Since you know you're your own record company.

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<v Speaker 2>I call a man called Fred Kraschell. Fred Kroschell worked

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<v Speaker 2>at Maverick Records and met him twenty I think twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one years ago when we first went independent, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is that is. It's it's his job. He's gig and

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<v Speaker 2>he knows. If if I could tell you, I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how many people I've met that has said

0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a negative thing about Fred Krischell, that would be zero.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the most well liked, well respected man in the

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<v Speaker 2>industry and one of, if not the hardest working man.

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<v Speaker 2>I call him sometimes and forget I'm East coast, he's

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<v Speaker 2>West coast, but he's up. He's like, Eddie, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>What we doing today? Like so it You know, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the smartest things I've learned to do in my

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<v Speaker 2>life is to be the dumbest man in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>And Fred is a smart man in that. So he

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<v Speaker 2>teaches me. But also I can trust him and I

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<v Speaker 2>have the and he has the freedom, and he makes

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<v Speaker 2>it happens. He's done them all. He's just a great

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to again. It's nice to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>work with people. You know, you got to think about Fred.

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<v Speaker 2>He was part of two of the top ten selling

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<v Speaker 2>albums of all time, a Linus More sets Jagged Littlepill

0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and Michael Jackson's Thriller. And for me to have the

0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:19.280
<v Speaker 2>knowledge that he has to just share with me and

0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 2>work with me is amazing. So I'm just blessed to

0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.680
<v Speaker 2>know the cat from a personal standpoint, forget the business side.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a fun cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you go on the road, how much of

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<v Speaker 1>the new album are you going to play?

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on the set times that we have. We're

0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.320
<v Speaker 2>going out with Hoodie, so we get fifty minutes, so

0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.080
<v Speaker 2>we do the first two songs or new songs, because

0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.679
<v Speaker 2>that's not the pee break area I call it. So

0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.080
<v Speaker 2>they don't know that they're new. They're just excited that

0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.399
<v Speaker 2>there's music going on, so it kind of sneak to

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<v Speaker 2>in there, and then we'll do some hits and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>throw one more in there in a fifty minute set.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we get out and do our own shows, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do over five. I do five,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And it's tough to pick and choose, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you just did twenty, but you do. I like

0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 2>to do five. I think that's fair. It's fair to

0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.919
<v Speaker 2>the audience, you know, because they are there for the

0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.560
<v Speaker 2>songs that got us there on stage. So you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to you want to stretch yourself too thin, if

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense, But you do want to let them

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<v Speaker 2>know that you're still making music and songs are still

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<v Speaker 2>as good as they were before.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have hardcore collective soul fans?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess so. I don't know. I'm not a social

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<v Speaker 2>media guy. I don't keep up with that kind of stuff.

0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I literally get up and watch sports, keep up with

0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the news a little bit. But I love just playing music.

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<v Speaker 2>I love playing the piano. I'll play the piano and

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<v Speaker 2>I try to write every day or just let something flow.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean it's good, bad, or and different. It

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<v Speaker 2>may be just a little idea that'll last, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just an extension of who I am. I love and

0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.479
<v Speaker 2>I try to sing every day because it's a muscle.

0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:09.960
<v Speaker 2>You want to keep your voice going. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know much about I guess we do. People still show up,

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<v Speaker 2>and still people listen to what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how much you know, we've had the pandemic, But

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, how much does collective soul work.

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<v Speaker 2>We usually do seventy five shows a year, and then

0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I would say I'll do privates and then I'll do

0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.960
<v Speaker 2>charitable events. So for me, it's around ninety to one

0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:39.520
<v Speaker 2>hundred a year, so and that never changes. It's pretty

0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty consistent. You know, Charlie keeps us Charlie, Charlie our manager,

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie keeps us busy.

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<v Speaker 1>And what kind of buildings do you play?

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<v Speaker 2>It varies, you know, it could be a two thousand,

0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:58.639
<v Speaker 2>and then with Hoodie we're out in outdoor amphitheaters, so

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:03.280
<v Speaker 2>that's eighteen thousand. But I don't I don't look at

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.480
<v Speaker 2>an audience's success. Like when my wife and I go

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.720
<v Speaker 2>on holiday and I walk by a bar and there's

0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.560
<v Speaker 2>a band in there playing. I'm like, she knows what

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to do because I just love to play.

0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I need to work, wrote these new songs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go in, so I'll go in and tip

0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the band one hundred bucks. I'm like, can I just

0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 2>borrow a guitar? I just want to play, So I

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.800
<v Speaker 2>play the new songs and then I'll play like you know,

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 2>people recognize December World or Shine something, and it never fails.

0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.439
<v Speaker 2>They go, god, you sound just like that guy. I'm like,

0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I said, by the way, I do look like that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am that guy, But I just love I just

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<v Speaker 2>like playing music. Man, It's just kind of my good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so do you ultimately tell him you are that

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<v Speaker 1>guy at.

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.040
<v Speaker 2>The end of the night. Yeah, you know, because I don't.

0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to help the band out because I

0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.400
<v Speaker 2>would have been doing that if I could. I still

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.200
<v Speaker 2>would love to do it. I enjoy that, and I

0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>actually enjoy them not knowing who I am, so I

0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.159
<v Speaker 2>can work on my new songs without being judged. You know,

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.959
<v Speaker 2>if they knew, they go all right, that one sucks,

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, like just working on it on myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So if you go on the road, the level

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you go on the road depends on how many tickets

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<v Speaker 1>you sell. So you were selling a million albums. Nobody

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.840
<v Speaker 1>sells a million albums today. Has that changed the level

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<v Speaker 1>of travel and how do you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Not?

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<v Speaker 2>For us, it hasn't. I mean, we were never one

0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 2>of those band. We were never a stadium band or

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 2>arena band. We were kind of mid level. So we've

0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.159
<v Speaker 2>maintained that and Charlie, our manager, keep bringing him up,

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.639
<v Speaker 2>but he's been absolutely wonderful in maintaining that and helping

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 2>hus grow yearly. Because when we first started, everybody knew

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the songs. They didn't know the band they you know,

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 2>they they had no idea who sang the song. They

0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 2>just love the songs, you know, because everything happened so

0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.440
<v Speaker 2>fast for us, So Charlie's been putting it together for us,

0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.479
<v Speaker 2>like people now getting oh collector saw go see him

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:01.919
<v Speaker 2>and they see us play live and they love what

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 2>we do. They know we love what we do. So

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:09.119
<v Speaker 2>it's maintained a real consistency, it really has over the years.

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 2>There's never been a there's never been a big drop

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.360
<v Speaker 2>and there's never been a big peak. It's just maintained.

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<v Speaker 2>Man kind of like the Dude and Big Lebowski. We're

0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the rug that ties everything together.

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<v Speaker 1>So how long have you been with Charlie and how'd

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>you first connect with Charlie.

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I met Charlie years ago being in Atlanta. Charlie used

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<v Speaker 2>to call when I had a band and he would

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.639
<v Speaker 2>he had nobody to open up, you know, he's a

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.440
<v Speaker 2>promoter and had nobody open up. He called me and go, Hey,

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not paying anything, but you want to open up

0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.160
<v Speaker 2>with this band. I was like, yeah, man, let's go.

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 2>And then I mean, I think I've known Charlie for

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.239
<v Speaker 2>forty years I think now. And then when we were

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 2>in management and we had discussions with other managers, I

0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 2>never forget to flow up to the buffalo. But we

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel at the time. I didn't feel it at

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>that moment, and that was I don't know when, that

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 2>was twenty years ago, twenty five. And then eventually we

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 2>got to a position where and like I said, I've

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 2>known Charlie and I've seen what he's done with all

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 2>the bands he's managed, and I see his loyalty and

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I've witnessed I should say I've witnessed his loyalty, of

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 2>which witnessed his hard work. And when we had to

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 2>make a change, I was like, you know, I went

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 2>to Charlie and it was that simple. It was, and

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>it's been nothing but great. You know, it's nice to

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:37.159
<v Speaker 2>have a manager that is not afraid of you, and

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 2>it's nice to have a manager who's not afraid of

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the artist. And we're not either one like, you know,

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 2>we can have disagreements, but we don't get mad at

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.200
<v Speaker 2>each other. It's just like, what can we do? We're

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 2>both here to resolve. Like he's so good at that,

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's been a blessing to have him.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a contract to with the previous manager. What

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>went on with the previous manager.

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, we didn't get paid. That's about all I can say.

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 2>We didn't get paid, but we had to go to

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>court and all that. But all we got out of

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>it was I retained the name, and I retained the songs,

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>and I retained the right to continue on as Collective Soul,

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, once again, that's all I wanted

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that moment in my life.

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Did the guy just steal the money?

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't really say that he's passed. He passed about

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>three years ago, but in the court rulings, we're really not,

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you know there have been bands like Bad

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Finger where the guys have literally committed suicide when they

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten paid. So how did you cope with that?

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Man? I go back to and people think I'm and

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 2>it's not. I go back to my parents. My parents

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>were such strong people, very supportive, and it really came

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 2>down to them, and not just me, but all the

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 2>other band members. We all grew up in the same community,

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>had the same kind of understanding of life and were

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>raised very similar. I think it came down to our

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 2>parents because there were there was times where I've never

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 2>taken my life, or there's time it's like, man, what

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 2>just happened, you know, all of a sudden, you shoot,

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 2>you shot out of a shotgun. Then you're a dead

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.239
<v Speaker 2>bowling ball falling from the air. But it was it

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>was family. It was family, family strength.

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.959
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're going out with Edwin mccainn and Hoody. Do

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you know those guys.

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.719
<v Speaker 2>We've all known each other before, we all got signed,

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 2>so being in the Southeast, and it's like a fraturn

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 2>going back out, like we've known each other for over

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 2>thirty years now, and to be able to go out

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 2>and just hang with your buddies, like Edwin is one

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>of the funniest men on the planet. And the Hoodie Boys,

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I hate to use the word, they're a hoop. They're fine,

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's just it's almost like you're in

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>college again. There's no egos, which is a great thing

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 2>to have when you're on tour with other bands. There's

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 2>no egos. Everybody supports each other and everybody wants each

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 2>other to succeed as we did when we first met

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 2>each other. We were so happy for you know, when

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 2>we got signed, Hoody and the boys were extremely happy,

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and then we were for them. And then everyone gets

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 2>signed there, you know, it's just a family kind of vibe.

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So, you know, Hoody really had a moment there in

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the mid nineties. Did you expect that and what do

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>you think about that?

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they expect Nobody expects that. And I

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>think they handle it great. I think, you know, to

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 2>you think we shot we shot up really quick. But

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 2>with Hoodie, they kind of they had a little swell

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to it. So I mean, that's a lot to take in,

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, what they had to go through, and they

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 2>handled it great. And they've been nothing but gentlemen. And

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, and for Darius to go on to another

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 2>career like he did, I mean, it's pretty uh inspiring,

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, That's the word I would

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>use for Hoodie and Edwin. Also, they're very inspiring artists

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and friends.

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're in Atlanta, Okay, needless to say, they Allman

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Brothers had a song called Hot Lanta. Al Cooper moved

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to Atlanta signed the Leonard Skinnard but at Disley date,

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta is an epicenter of hip hop.

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Correct.

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>What's it like being a rock musician in Atlanta today?

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't get out as much as I

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 2>used to because you know, having children and wife, it

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>takes your time up when you are home, you want

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>to be with your family. But back in the day

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 2>when we were coming up, or when I was coming

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 2>up in the eighties and the early nineties, Atlanta it

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>was just a hotbed of rock and roll. It was great,

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>like it was incorporating Southern rock. Just I call it

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 2>keeping the traid on the wheel. You know, it was

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>so much fun. I don't see that anymore right now.

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I just don't. Being honest, and once again, maybe there

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I am sixty, so maybe I'm too old to recognize

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>where it is and who it is. But it doesn't

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>feel you know, I got a twenty five year old

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>sign and I just go like, where do the rock clubs? Like?

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I just missed that stuff so much, not even playing it.

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I just used to love to go to him, you know,

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>just the vibe of it all was, I don't know, man,

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 2>felt like you had a halo. When I walked out,

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, yeah, I'm about to kick some

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>ass here now. Man. That just fired me up. They

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 2>would fire me up. I don't know where you find

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 2>that in Atlanta right now, to be honest with.

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>You, and who from Atlanta. Do you think deserve more

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>success than they got from your era?

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Driving and Crime? Driving and Crime without a doubt, the

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Kenney is one of the best songwriters. That band's

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the best bands. I would go, Drive In

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and Crime. And there's an artist, well, Sheryl Crow's band director.

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>But he's like our sixth member to Peter Stroud. He's

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>played with everybody from Don Henley, Sarah maclachlin, like just

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>just the talent. So he's found his niche where he's

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>like the sixth man on a lot of these artists.

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>But he he is. But the one I would say

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>first and foremost would be Driving and Crime. No if answer, but.

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what was your situation growing up? What were

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>your parents doing when you were growing up?

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, my dad was a minister. He was operatic trained

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and he was about to leave to live in Italy

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>and sing opera and then him and God had a

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>talk and he decided he was going into the ministry.

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>So he became a minister of music and eventually became

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>a minister. But he's a minister of music first, and

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 2>my mom played piano in church and that's what I

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>grew up in I knew nothing different and it was awesome.

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean they I had loved discipline, sports, you know,

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it was outside playing all the time. And I had

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 2>their devotion. I had my devotion to them, like my

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>childhood was great. We had no money, but that didn't

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>That's why I always tell my wife money doesn't it.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So your father had his own church cracked. And

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>where was that church?

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Scottridge, Georgia, south of Atlanta, about twenty miles south of Atlanta.

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>And how big a congregation was that?

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>About three to four hundred.

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're the minister's son. So once you walk

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>out the door, is that a good thing or bad thing?

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>People make fun of you, people treat you special.

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't get treated special. I mean you know,

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>when the principal of your high school is the deacon

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>of the church, you're being watched. Twenty four to seven.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I was scrutinized quite often. I mean I didn't mindn't

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't do anything crazy. I mean, you know, when

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I was fourteen, when I decided I want to do music,

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>was like that's all I cared about. I just did music.

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>But now nobody ever made it was a small town.

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>So it was like once again, I go back to

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>like if you want to, if I could compare it

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 2>to anything, it'd be like Mayberry, you know Andy Griffith show,

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Like it was just that everybody was a neighbor and

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 2>it was just that simple. Everybody made mistakes, everybody did

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>some wrong things here and there, but everybody were neighbors

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and cared for each other.

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So we live in this polarized era. You know, when

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I grew up, which is you know, kind of when

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>you were born, you were a little later than from me,

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>there was all this. You know, the South is rednecks

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>below the Mace and Dixon line, you know. Then there's

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>issues of the Confederate War. Now there's maga. What does

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the North not understand about the South?

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It seems they're all moving down here now.

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just think that's just you know,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 2>folk lore for lack of a better term. You know,

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>my wife's from Washington State and are there and I

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>hate to use the word rednecks because if you understand

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>what redneck means, it's actually the farmers that worked in

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the fields, that worked hard and fed people and they

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>would get their next burn so it wasn't. So it's

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>taken another turn, and I know what people mean by it.

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>You can find hatred and bigotry and racism in any

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>part of this country. Trust me, I've seen it in

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>every part of this country. I've seen it more than

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I have in the South. It's one reason I've never

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>left the South or Atlanta, because I love the diversity

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 2>of Atlanta, and I wanted my children raised in diversity

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to understand that my children don't even know they're best

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>friends are African Americans are ancient. It doesn't matter to

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>that generation. And that's how I wanted to teach my children.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I stayed in Atlanta because it offers that.

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why the Northerners think that. I

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know why anybody thinks that, you know, there's good

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>people here. I mean, I don't think everybody up in

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 2>the Northeast is in the mob.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's go one step deeper. There's a lot of news

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>in Georgia having to do with Fanny Willis and stuff

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>like that. Is there a big red blue divide? Is

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>that something you feel or is that just something you

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>read in the newspapers.

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's there. I personally haven't seen it. Now

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>you can talk red and blue and have difference. The

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:56.359
<v Speaker 2>people I talk to that have different ideologies politically have conversations.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>They're not angry, they're just having conversations. So I think

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff is what do you you know?

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I think they want it for TV, or they want

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it or maybe even for their individual selves. I don't know.

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know those people. All I know is the

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>people that are surround myself with. We differ even in

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the band. We differ politically, we differ religiously. We different ideology.

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>To me, that makes up a society. And like I

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, not only do we like each other, we

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 2>love each other, and just that's that's society. If we

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 2>all thought the same way, we'd be a bunch of

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 2>cows in the pasture waiting to get grazing and waiting

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 2>to get slaughtered. You know, at least you're learning and

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>taking and absorbing other people's thoughts. So I think it's

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.879
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's ratings or clicks, whatever the kids

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 2>call it nowadays. I think it's for that.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>So if your wife from Washington State, how did you

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>meet her?

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>She her family moved to Atlanta, and I had a

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 2>apartment that all the players on the Atlanta Falcons when

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 2>they got hurt would just come stay at my house

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 2>just because I was single and I had the nicest

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.839
<v Speaker 2>TV and had all the sports channels. Then they didn't

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>want to spend money to go back for rehab. They

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 2>get rehab in Atlanta. So one of the guys was

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>on the University of Washington and he called me and

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>said he was out. He said, hey, I got a

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>friend coming over to get some Falcon tickets. I was like, okay.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 2>So I thought it was a dude, because their dudes

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 2>would come in and out. Like I'm old school Southern

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>door was always open, just come and go. And I

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 2>opened the door. It was this beautiful woman and I'm

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting there in my boxers because I just thought it

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 2>would dude, and and she was on the date and

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, here, my name's Ed. And then we

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>went and did a European tour for three weeks and

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>it was the last face of a woman I truly saw.

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>And I got back and called her and said, do

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 2>you remember me? My name's Ed. She has no pop culture,

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>She had no idea who I was and I said,

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>RIM's in town tonight. I'd love to take you to

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the show. I said, I just got back in from

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Europe and she says no. She made every excuse and

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know what got into me.

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I just said, you know what, I'm going to sit

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 2>here at this bar and when you get here, I'm waiting.

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 2>And she showed up three hours later, three hours later,

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 2>and we went to RIM and we've never been separated

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 2>since twenty years.

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Now. You've been married before, right, I was, yeah?

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Correct?

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And how long were you married and how long between

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the two wives?

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh? I think the first marriage was four years and

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.720
<v Speaker 2>I think it was four years in between the divorce.

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So why did you get divorced?

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, some people, some people do things they probably

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 2>wish they didn't do. So I'm not going to get

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>into that because that's not worth it. You know. I

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>will tell you the one beautiful thing. She is a

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>wonderful mother and I'm proud to have a child with her,

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna leave it at that.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, did you meet her before or after you had success?

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Right at it?

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And did the level of your success affect the relationship?

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, definitely, And once again, she was young. I

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>was naive, and my attention was spent a lot on

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Collective Soul because that's everything was just happening so fast.

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>So you know, we should have probably dated two more years,

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 2>would have probably helped the relationship instead of going to

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Vegas and have Elvis marry you. So, you know, hindsight's

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:02.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. They say, I wish I had twenty twenty vision.

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Now you have a child with this woman.

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Crack. He's twenty five and what is he up to?

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 2>He's bartending right now. You know, he's one of those

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty five year olds trying to figure it out. He

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>loves music, he loves going to concerts, and I'm like,

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>we'll figure something out. Brother, He'll get there.

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay. How do you know all the Atlanta Falcons that

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>they're coming crashing at your place?

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, because one of the guys lived across the I

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>it was dearing my divorce, so it was after he

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>lived across at the apartment and he was on the

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Falcons and they were and they were all it was

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 2>all the drafted kids, the ones trying to make the

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 2>team if they got drafted, or the ones trying to

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 2>make the team. So they would just come over there

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:52.919
<v Speaker 2>and he'd go go Toad's house. He's got the beer,

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 2>he's got the TV. So they would just crash at

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 2>my house. I don't know. It was just like I said,

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I have an open door policy.

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, are you the type of person who makes friends

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 1>everywhere you go?

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes? My wife says that's a fault of mine, and

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I kind of like it. Like I guess

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.360
<v Speaker 2>just being a preacher's kid, I watch my father and

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 2>mother do it my whole life, and I'm like, if

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody's over there sitting eating alone, I'm going to go

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>talk to them, like, hey, everything cool, you know. I mean,

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>they can show me away, but it just makes me uncomfortable.

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I want everybody to know somebody in the world loves them.

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>So your father was a minister. Are you still a believer?

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I am. I have no problem with that. I don't

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>believe in how he believed that way. I do believe,

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Like I meditate every day. I'm actually going to meditate

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 2>with monks this weekend. I believe in spirituality, and I

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 2>know that's a cop out, but I do believe the

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>teachings of Jesus because it's really kind of simple and clean.

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>You know. I don't really have to do anything except

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>please forgive me, and I mess up a lot, so

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:06.959
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of an easy cop out there too.

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, just when we talk about these.

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 2>My wife, my wife. My wife's Jewish, so it doesn't

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's and I don't. I don't care

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 2>as long as you're a good person.

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 1>But you've been in the rock and roll lifestyle. Have

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you overdone it with drugs or alcohol?

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Never? Never?

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Not your personality.

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 2>No. I didn't drink till I was thirty, and it

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>was first time we were on tour, and I was

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 2>just bored. Never smoked till I was fifty. I was

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.239
<v Speaker 2>like bored, Like no, I just never wasn't a part

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>of my gig. Man to be, as my wife would

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 2>like to say, Ed likes to be in control.

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I understand that completely, but just go one step further.

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Are you controlling?

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 2>No? No, I want to be in control of my temple,

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in control of my at my surroundings, but not controlling

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 2>of any No. No, no. I love people that do

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 2>their own gig. I learned from that. I actually get

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 2>inspired by it. Like that's cool, that's people would go, man,

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>they're crazy. I'm like, no, they're not. They're they're living

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the dream right now. Man, that's cool.

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how many kids in the family.

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And my family you have three siblings, two younger brothers

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and a younger sister.

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're the oldest I am, and usually all

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the hopes and dreams are in the oldest. Did you

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>feel that?

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Not all? Not at all? Now, I'm telling you, man,

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 2>my childhood it was crazy back in the day. People go,

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 2>must have been horrible growing up with it as your

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 2>dad being a preacher. I was like, now, it's kind

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>of cool. You know. First concert he took me to

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>is Johnny Cash. Then he took me to see the Liberachi,

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 2>and he took me to see the Kinks, took me

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 2>to see Elton John was like, no, that sounds kind

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 2>of good to me. That's kind of cool.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, your father was trained operatically. How do you end

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 1>up being a fan of the Kinks and going to

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 1>see the Kinks?

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Don't ask me. I wish I could ask him now.

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 2>I should have asked him that a while back. He's

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>been he's been good. Lord said hey to him about

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty years ago. I wish like The Kinks is the

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>one that throws me off. I understand Liberaci because his mother,

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 2>my grandmother, loved Liberachi. So something there, you know, like

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 2>going to see your mom's favorite artist, Elton, I could

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>get Johnny Cash, I could get the Kinks. That one

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>goes by me a little bit. I'm like, I'm glad

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 2>he did because I always tell people they're like, you know,

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 2>my brother's and the band Dean, and people go to

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>y'all fight and you know, like the Davies brothers, and

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know what I always tell my

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 2>brother Dean. I was like, dude, I love you, but

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I would never break a guitar over your head because

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 2>I have so much more love for my guitars than

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I do you. It's just an inside joke.

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so your father's taken to these shows. Is that

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>what infects you with music and makes you decide to

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>become a musician.

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 2>What made me want to become I wanted to be

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>become a songwriter. What happened was because we had records.

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I grew up basically on gospel and hymnal music,

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and Elvis was in the house and they'd be Jerry

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Lee Lewis and Frank and Dean Martin. But it was

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 2>when I saved up enough of my allowance to go

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 2>by the first record, And to this day I could

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>remember it was at Richway and the what do you

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>used to call them where they put all the records.

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Who's the front and center had Olivia Newton, John, John

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Denver and Elton John. And I didn't know any of

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.520
<v Speaker 2>these artists, and I would made no mistake by going

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 2>with either one. But I was like, man, that guy

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 2>dress is really cool. I'm gonna I'm getting Elton John

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's literally when I put the needle down, I

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, I want to write like Elton John and

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Bernie Tale. I just I can't. Nobody ever will. But

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 2>that's what inspired me. Literally your song. When I put

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>it on, I was like, oh my gosh, like it's

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the flow and the beauty of it. I could still

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 2>remember when I put it on the record player and

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 2>then you know, listening to the greatest hits and I

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:36.399
<v Speaker 2>just would wear that record out. I probably have over

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.399
<v Speaker 2>the year. I probably over the years, I probably about

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty of those records, because like I said, I'm a

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 2>vinyl guy, so I love Vinyl. I will wear that

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 2>record out just inspires me. It makes me feel youthful

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and brings inspiration.

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so when did you start playing an instrument.

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, my first instrument I was eight years old and

0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I joined the elementary band and I played clarinet, which

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I always like to say is the gateway to rock

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and roll. The claire is the gateway to rock and roll. Okay,

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 2>so I played clarinet. I actually told my parents I

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 2>wanted to play the coronet, and they thought I said clarinet.

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 2>So my Southern slang must have been worse than it

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>is now. So anyway, brought to clarinet, and you know,

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 2>at that age the only I was the only boy

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>in that section because it's the clarinet, the flutes, and

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 2>there's it. And to come to learn later in life.

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is kind of cool. I'm with

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>all the checks man. And then I took a class

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and started learning saxophone. And I was fourteen when I

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 2>learned to play the guitar. That's when I started really

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 2>wanted to learn. I wanted to learn to write songs,

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.799
<v Speaker 2>and then piano just came naturally because it was just

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 2>in the house. I just I don't know. I used

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to know that. I don't know. I didn't know theory

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 2>on piano. I would just watch my mom play warm

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>up for her and dad's gig every Sunday morning, and

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I would just watch her fingers and I'm like, oh,

0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.040
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. So I would just get up there and

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 2>try to figure out what she was doing.

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you took Clearnett lessons? Did you ever take

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 1>guitar lessons?

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I did not. I went to Berkeley College of Music,

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>and when I got there, they told me that I

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 2>was holding the pick wrong and I was like, oh boy,

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:31.719
<v Speaker 2>this ain't gonna go well. So no, I just a

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine gave me his guitar. I was in

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the lunch room. I was fourteen, and I said I

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 2>think I want to be a songwriter, and sitting with

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 2>all the jocks, and this one guy goes, I got

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a guitar, and I got a guitar book, and so

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 2>he gave me one of his Kmart guitars. I don't

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 2>know people out there remember Kmart, but it was cheap.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>And he gave in Elvis Presley book that showed how

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 2>to play the chords in the Eagles book showed you

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 2>how to play the chords. So I just sat there,

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, bloody fingers, so I could figure it out.

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And did you play in bands in high school?

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't stop. Rich was a very small place.

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I did play in a Dixieland band, which was my

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 2>first paying gig. I played banjo. I did learn to

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 2>play the banjo for a second. But no, it was

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 2>such a small town and it was more based on

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 2>football and baseball and basketball and things like that. And

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I was the only one that even played an instrument.

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So that's one reason I went to Berkeley. I just

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to surround myself with other musicians.

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're gonna graduate from high school, how do

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you know about Berkeley? And how do you decide to

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>go there?

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I became a just I couldn't get enough of music.

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 2>So it started with the cars because they were from

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Boston and a couple of them had gone to a

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>place called Berkeley. And I was listening to Steely Dan

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 2>too and saw somehow back then you didn't have the internet.

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I would get these cream or whatever those magazines were called,

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they would go it went to Berkeley College.

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Music was huh, so you know, just send an application

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and back then you mailed everything. I would and they

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>would send me information. And then I just I decided

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I'd needed to get out of a small town. And

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:24.800
<v Speaker 2>at the time, I thought it was going to be

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.840
<v Speaker 2>a really good guitarist, and you know, I wanted to

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 2>write songs. But when I got up there, you know,

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of got my ass handed to me. You go

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 2>into a rehearsal room and you see these cats just wail,

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'm say, okay, I'm gonna try songwriting.

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Now, okay, if you come from a poor family, how'd

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you pay for Berkeley?

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:50.240
<v Speaker 2>A student loan of which I did payback. My uncle

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 2>was a banker. So I went to my uncle really

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>correct and got a loan.

0:49:58.520 --> 0:49:59.959
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember how much it was.

0:49:59.880 --> 0:50:02.160
<v Speaker 2>For twenty four hundred bucks?

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.760
<v Speaker 1>So how long did you last at Berkeley?

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Six months. He wasn't gonna teach me. He wasn't gonna

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 2>teach me what I wanted to learn. I mean, I

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>tell this story quite often. I was walking, you know,

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I was a naive Southern boy from a small town.

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I would just walk up to people and say hey.

0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.800
<v Speaker 2>And I met this mailman. He was doing his route

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and I said hey. He's like, hey, you know I

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>looked interesting at that time. I had orange hair and

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 2>all over the place. He goes, you're in a band.

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>He was like, no, I'm going to Berkeley. He goes,

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I graduated from there. I was like, really, what are

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 2>you being a mailman for? He goes, well, if you

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 2>graduate there, you're really just going to be a teacher.

0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like really, he goes, well, what do you

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>want to do? I said, I want to write songs.

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>He said, you need to quit and go explore life

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.439
<v Speaker 2>and learn about life and find it within yourself. They're

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 2>not going to teach you how to write his song

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 2>in there, And so I always say I had a

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>life lesson from Cliff Claven from Cheers.

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, in the six months you were there, did you

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.840
<v Speaker 1>feel alienated? Did you fit in? Did you learn anything?

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I learned more about life. Yeah, fit in. I had

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 2>that personality where I was I'm not afraid to meet

0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>people and do things. Yeah. I mean I got a

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:24.040
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend there, like I was. I was happening baby. Plus,

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know what the funny thing is, the

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 2>accent gets the girl at that age, They're like, you

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 2>sound funny. So I mean, we hitched tight to go

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.399
<v Speaker 2>see Billy Joel, Like, we did all kinds of fun

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 2>stuff that you can't do nowadays. But yeah, I fit in.

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I had a great time. But I learned more about life,

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 2>and I did learn structure of chord progressions, Like they

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>were playing chords I'd never thought of or heard of.

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 2>So I was just watching. I'd go in rehearsal spaces

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 2>and play with these guitar players and I was like,

0:51:56.760 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 2>what cord is that hold on? And so it was

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>learning a different I don't know tonality or timber of

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 2>like different chords.

0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 1>How hard was it to decide to drop out? And

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.080
<v Speaker 1>what did your parents say about it?

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Once again, they've been nothing but supportive. They were like,

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 2>get home, get a job, which I did immediately work

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:25.839
<v Speaker 2>for the hospital. And then there was a studio. Well

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 2>I just stacked. I mean once again, I went and

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:35.239
<v Speaker 2>put all the drugs and all the surgery rooms. And

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 2>then there was a studio and where I grew up, Stockbridge, Georgia,

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 2>wil Turp and a bass player's father owned. So my

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 2>dad was like, if you really want to do music,

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 2>just go down there and start learning. So I would

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:47.799
<v Speaker 2>go down there and I would sit in the back

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of the room for three months. I would ask clean

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 2>the toilets, made coffee, did everything I could, just sat

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 2>there for three months, and the head engineer finally got

0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a job in Nashville. So Bill asked me if I

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be the engineer, and I was like, I'd

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:06.560
<v Speaker 2>love to, And so that's how it kind of started

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 2>there with the whole once again, it gave me the

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to not only learn how to engineer, but produced

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and learned mike placements temperament. And then when there was downtime,

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 2>that's where I would sit there and do my own songs.

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>So what kind of stuff were you recording?

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Horrible? Oh? For me, mine was horrible.

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:29.520
<v Speaker 1>But no, no, no, no, no, no, you're working in this studio,

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in this studio, what kind of talent came in through

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the doors?

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:36.360
<v Speaker 2>The first session I ever had was Rue Paul. I

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:40.279
<v Speaker 2>can't make that up. You followed my first session and

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.399
<v Speaker 2>he and I became buddies and we just and he

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.800
<v Speaker 2>allowed me to like he would sing a melody or something.

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 2>So it started me like learning to play and producing.

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:56.759
<v Speaker 2>And then it was an intermediate studio. I'll use that

0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>word so I would get a lot of bluegrass app

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:02.359
<v Speaker 2>was starting to happen, to get wrap, I get heavy melt,

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I get everything, and it was just fun. It's up

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and coming bands are sometimes people that just wanted to

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:13.279
<v Speaker 2>hear their voice on tape, and I just got you know,

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like a cornucopia of music, and I just absorbed it.

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I loved every bit of it.

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.719
<v Speaker 1>So did they teach you how to engineer? How'd you learn?

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, engineering is not that simple to be any

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:26.800
<v Speaker 1>good edit anywhere.

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I watched for three months. I just sat there and watched,

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>and then at the end of the night Scott Scott

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Long was the engineer. I was like, I would ask

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 2>him question. He was so patient. He goes, yep, you

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 2>do you know? This is when you plug things in?

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I got you, I got you,

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.759
<v Speaker 2>got you. So it was really just determination. And then

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I literally would sit there from eight o'clock at night

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 2>to two o'clock in the morning and then bit the

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>hospital at seven to five and just rent and repeat

0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:58.800
<v Speaker 2>for three months.

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:01.319
<v Speaker 1>And then after those three months, you gave up the

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 1>hospital work full time at the studio.

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I did, but the studio didn't pay that much so

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 2>every once in a while, I have to go out

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and you know, scratch around. And I was a janitor

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:14.320
<v Speaker 2>for a second at my dad's church. I put up siding,

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I did roofing, landscaping, just just anything to pay the bills.

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 2>You know. At that point, I never got myself and dad.

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I've always lived within my means, so and it didn't

0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 2>cost much to live back then. I'd go to Arby's

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 2>and get five or five dollars and that'd last me

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>all week. You know.

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And where were you living?

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Midtown girlfriends and a lot of time, I just lived

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 2>at the studio. I just sleep under the board.

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 1>So you're working, you're recording your own music, So how

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:53.080
<v Speaker 1>does that evolve?

0:55:54.600 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Slowly? Because I had nobody else to help depend on,

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 2>so I was recording everything myself, which is it's good.

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing that

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 2>you learn how it's done and the curses that you get.

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned it earlier over control, So when I started

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 2>having bands, I was like, wait, They're like back it up, dude,

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I'd just done it myself for so long.

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:31.280
<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't change anything. I got to learn somehow,

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and that's how I learned, just sitting along

0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 2>by myself in a studio.

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how long between dropping out of Berkeley and the

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>success of Shine?

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Eleven years?

0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 1>So you have confidence you're going to make it. What's

0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:51.919
<v Speaker 1>going through your head?

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I just love music. I just loved it. I

0:56:56.640 --> 0:57:00.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't expect to have a grandiose lifestyle. That's not what

0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I wanted. I wanted to play music. I just wanted

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 2>to learn music. I wanted to write songs. It was

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 2>never about I mean, the blessings that I have now

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.440
<v Speaker 2>was not the end all of end all. It was like,

0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to play music. And the week before

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 2>we got signed, I was already signed up to play

0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 2>on a cruise ship to play guitar. So I was

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:20.560
<v Speaker 2>just I just wanted to play music.

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're working in the studio in the eleven years,

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>At what point do you start getting a band and

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 1>working out?

0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:33.200
<v Speaker 2>There were so many bands, Like people would come in

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and they'd go, oh, I like you want to join

0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a band. I'll go yeah, and then then they would

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 2>fizzle out and fizzle out, And I had a band

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 2>A couple of times we did okay, but you know,

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 2>you get I call it, you know, the old Southern

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 2>saying long in the two about twenty four to twenty five,

0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.120
<v Speaker 2>all your friends are like, whoa, I got to get

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 2>a life here, this is this isn't not. Everybody's like

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you ed. Nobody just wants to sleep under a board

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to you know, eat Army's every day. And so they

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:08.280
<v Speaker 2>really did started wanting, you know, things in life that

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>they wanted, families and that, but that didn't matter to me.

0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 2>All I wanted to do was music. So I call it,

0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty four to twenty five, it's fourth down

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and punt or you go for it. All my friends punted,

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just kept going for it. So it was

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 2>like just vicious. Whoever was next?

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Shine was a demo? How many demos did you

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>have to cut before you got to Shine? Uh?

0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Probably one hundred at least.

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you think any of the previous ones were going

0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to be the turning point? Did you think Shine was

0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be the turning point? Or it was just

0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 1>an endless you know, as you say, laundry cycle.

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought there were many of them before that. I

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 2>start I clicked when I was to me I clicked

0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty five or twenty six when I felt like I

0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>got the writing thing down. I was just a slow learner,

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:05.080
<v Speaker 2>but I was working and then songs just started flowing,

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and I thought there were a lot lot more that

0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought would have started a career or me as

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 2>a songwriter. And then when I did Shine, I did

0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 2>like it. I mean, but I didn't. I didn't hear

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>it is what it became. There was a song called

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:28.000
<v Speaker 2>good Night, Good Guy that I thought was the song.

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 2>And my brother is the one that took it to

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.200
<v Speaker 2>album eighty eight in Georgia State, and I said, just

0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 2>take take these. It was a cassette. You have one

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 2>song on one one another said tell them play good

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Night good Guy. So he took it when he went

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to class and they played Shine. And then here we

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.600
<v Speaker 2>are today, you know, thirty one years later.

0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Basically, okay, you were in a band where you had

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a woman who was the lead singer before that. What

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 1>happened with that band?

0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, we would play as much as it was called

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Marching two step. And her name is Michelle ray Kaplinger.

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>She's like my sister. We're still tight thicke as these.

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I think she's head of like the southeast of Grammys. Now.

1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:14.200
<v Speaker 2>We uh, we didn't know what we're doing. We were

1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 2>just trying to find something. We're trying to find a

1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 2>sound because she kind of came. She was in bands

1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:21.680
<v Speaker 2>prior to this new wave, and I was kind of

1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 2>like wanting the new wave, but music was changing. I

1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:29.680
<v Speaker 2>was trying to find a sound that fit what I

1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:33.680
<v Speaker 2>was comfortable with writing. So, you know it, I think

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it lasted a year or two, I don't know, but

1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 2>we had a lot of fun and it was just

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 2>a learning experience. You know, I call it pre production.

1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, both bands get signed and they go into

1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:47.320
<v Speaker 2>pre production. They spend six months just learning to write,

1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.280
<v Speaker 2>recording and all of that. That's kind of what we

1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:52.000
<v Speaker 2>were doing. We were out on the road doing that band.

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, when you give your brother that cassette for the

1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:00.880
<v Speaker 1>college radio station, is there a band?

1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:07.400
<v Speaker 2>That's honestly a good question that I do not know.

1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I cannot answer that because I don't think there was

1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:15.080
<v Speaker 2>a band. I don't I don't know. That's a great question.

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I've never thought about that because it was something that

1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:21.600
<v Speaker 2>there was Eddie, then there was a rollin, there was

1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:27.640
<v Speaker 2>brothers and brides, that's interesting. I gotta check that out.

1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:30.280
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question.

1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, who played on that demo?

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Me? It's all me. The original lead guitarist played the

1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:41.720
<v Speaker 2>lead guitar, but everything else is me because I was

1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the only one in the studio.

1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you give that cassette to your brother?

1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Correct?

1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Had you you know, in this eleven year period, were

1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you working it? Were you giving cassettes to other people,

1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:57.120
<v Speaker 1>whether it be radio stations, managers trying to make it?

1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, I sent it to everybody. I would just

1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:05.480
<v Speaker 2>once again it was now you got me thinking about

1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the name. I'm wondering if I had the name before

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:15.000
<v Speaker 2>because we weren't a band. Then interesting. Oh, I would

1:02:15.040 --> 1:02:18.080
<v Speaker 2>give cassettes to anybody. I gave one to rick O Kasich.

1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he went one hundred yards on the road,

1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:21.960
<v Speaker 2>rolled the wind down through it out. I gave one

1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to Sting. I mean I would sneak backstage everywhere. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to New York and snuck into every record label

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty years old, just lying my way through it

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<v Speaker 2>and sit there and they listen to it and it

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<v Speaker 2>was god awful, but they you know, I got in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was learning to hustle a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you ever have any bites before Shine broke through.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero? And I had so many? You know, back then

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<v Speaker 2>they would write you letters back to say we pass

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<v Speaker 2>you know the letters. And I had some nasty ones

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, and I will not in their

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<v Speaker 2>names that said please do not ever send me. One

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<v Speaker 2>said please do not ever send me another piece of

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<v Speaker 2>your music. You're a horrible songwriter and a horrible singer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well wasn't that disheartening?

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<v Speaker 2>Hell No, I went and I proved them wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, okay, so you give this cassette to your brother.

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<v Speaker 1>The radio station flips it over, they start playing Shine.

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<v Speaker 1>How does it build from there?

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<v Speaker 2>It became their most requested song, and it was I

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<v Speaker 2>think he took it to like an November or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they called me because I had my probably

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<v Speaker 2>just set of Roland and now I have my phone

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<v Speaker 2>number on there, they called me and said that the

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<v Speaker 2>number one requested a song they want to play at

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<v Speaker 2>their Christmas party. And it was a big deal. Then

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<v Speaker 2>it sold out and it's like a thousand people. And

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<v Speaker 2>my brother and what became Collected Soul. We're in a

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<v Speaker 2>frat band that played at Georgia State and Georgia Tech.

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<v Speaker 2>So I called him and I said, hey, guys, just learn

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<v Speaker 2>I got three songs. Let's learn three originals and we

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<v Speaker 2>can do the frat stuff. Y'all can do that. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>walk off stage or whatever. They're like cool. And we

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<v Speaker 2>got up there and we played one song. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>played Shine and place went nuts and I just said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's play that again. I think we played Seine six

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<v Speaker 2>times that night. I mean, people couldn't get enough of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything like it, and I've been to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of shows.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the experience like from your viewpoint? Being on stage?

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<v Speaker 2>Confused? Seriously confused? I was like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean every time we played it, they just

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<v Speaker 2>got nuts. And I was like, good gosh, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you play that gig? The college radio station is

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<v Speaker 1>playing it. What's the next block in the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh w j R in Orlando started playing it?

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<v Speaker 1>And how did they get it?

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<v Speaker 2>I sent it to everybody. I sent a CD to

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<v Speaker 2>cassettes to everybody, uh, manager of producers, like, I literally

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<v Speaker 2>had a list back of the day. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>book of people in the industry. I sent it to attorneys.

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<v Speaker 2>I sent it to business managers. I just sat there

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<v Speaker 2>and make cassettes all day long and just would ship

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<v Speaker 2>them out again.

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<v Speaker 1>With the store with the story that it was number

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<v Speaker 1>one on this college radio station.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, just send them the song. Just send them the cassette.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a station in Orlando starts playing it serendipitously

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<v Speaker 1>with no push correct and called it just to go back.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only two songs on this cassette. Correct, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando starts.

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<v Speaker 2>To play there might have been five, might have been five,

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<v Speaker 2>or it might have been the whole record, just because

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<v Speaker 2>it might I think. I take it back. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was the whole record. I just sit the whole

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<v Speaker 2>cassette kitt kaboodle because I wanted to showcase that I

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<v Speaker 2>could write different types of songs. Because the first song

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<v Speaker 2>is to me, very not coordinated. First album, I should

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<v Speaker 2>say it's not very coordated because you can see I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to write country a little bit here there, Americana, rock, grunge, whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So if they start playing and they call and they

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<v Speaker 2>want us to come down and do a show, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, so I get the guys again, and we

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<v Speaker 2>rehearsed a little bit. This time we had a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>minute run we could do and you know, if had

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<v Speaker 2>do covers, they could do it. And we get down

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<v Speaker 2>there and I know if we were driving down there

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<v Speaker 2>and they go, you know, they're top five at five.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was like STP, Pearl, Jam Kings X,

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<v Speaker 2>Nirvana and number one some band called Collective Soul out

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<v Speaker 2>of Atlanta, Georgia. And we all looked at each other,

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<v Speaker 2>going what is going on? Most requested, so I pulled

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<v Speaker 2>the van over once again. My parents van pulled the

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<v Speaker 2>van over. I was like, we all just sat there.

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<v Speaker 2>We got out and just looked like what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Especially for me, they're exciting because they're twenty years old.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the guys in the band, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what is going on? So we show

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<v Speaker 2>up and it was like the Beatles showed up. We

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<v Speaker 2>were like, what is going on? It was just very confusing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that night we got signed somebody from Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Flom from Atlantic Records, flew down and it was done.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, once again you ship the CDs and did nothing else,

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<v Speaker 1>and radio just started to play it from an unsolicitously.

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<v Speaker 2>I would call them. I personally would call them, and

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<v Speaker 2>then because I remember, I called a place in New

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico because I had once again there was a book

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<v Speaker 2>that I had. So I would sit there on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone and call and say, Hey, I'm a Collective soul

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<v Speaker 2>and I was wondering if you could play that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, We've been playing it. He goes, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe you called, because you know that's the radio department's

1:08:02.720 --> 1:08:05.720
<v Speaker 2>job to do, you know, radio promo. I was like, yeah,

1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:08.520
<v Speaker 2>he goes, we do an interview. I was like, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I'm gonna talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I didn't know what was going on, and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I called one station was based out of a

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<v Speaker 2>pool haul somewhere, and the guy just flipped out. He's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the best song ever. Hey, We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>an interview in five four three two one. I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So when Jason Flomm's person comes down.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Jason came down.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason came down. Was he the first person from a

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<v Speaker 1>record company who showed interest?

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<v Speaker 2>No. We actually had four calls in one day, and

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<v Speaker 2>my manager said we're going with Atlantic with Jason Flohm

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<v Speaker 2>because they called first. I was like, that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>good business news. Say called first, does it? He goes, Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>it's done. I was like, okay. So Jason came down

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<v Speaker 2>and they flew us to New York, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>old rock and roll story, you know, wined and dined us,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just like, I didn't know what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on. It was just like over the moon and

1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it was. But it was funny because I got to

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<v Speaker 2>tell Ergon that I had snuck into his office to

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<v Speaker 2>meet him at that time, about fifteen years earlier, to

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<v Speaker 2>play him something. And he was very kind and listened

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<v Speaker 2>to it and told me to keep working, which I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was kind of cool. Cycle in life or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>He liked it. He was a good man.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you play this gig in Orlando, you make

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with Atlantic. How long after that did they

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<v Speaker 1>push the button? Unshine?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was pushed. We already charted on our own.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't know what was going like. Literally, we were

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<v Speaker 2>top forty in rock radio for sure before Atlantic signed.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we he thought, Okay, it's not a band,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a batch of demos that I had been doing

1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:08.400
<v Speaker 2>over the last five seven years. We thought we were

1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:12.280
<v Speaker 2>going to go make a record and they were like, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all are out. And the first thing they do is

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<v Speaker 2>they put us at Woodstock ninety four, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>week after that, we're on tour with Errol Smith and

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, I mean literally, I think we did three

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<v Speaker 2>shows before Woodstock, which was in front of god knows

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<v Speaker 2>how many people, and then a week later we're out

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<v Speaker 2>with Erol Smith. We're like, what is going on? It

1:10:35.360 --> 1:10:36.320
<v Speaker 2>was just that fast?

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<v Speaker 1>So what was it like playing Woodstock ninety four?

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<v Speaker 2>Loved it, every minute of it. Everybody that was there

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<v Speaker 2>was great. Everybody the night we played like Sheryl Crow Live,

1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:55.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody was new and they, you know, were just to

1:10:57.120 --> 1:10:59.360
<v Speaker 2>surprise what was going on with their life and their

1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.080
<v Speaker 2>success we were. So it was kind of a therapy

1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.880
<v Speaker 2>moment for some of these bands. Together. We were like, man,

1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:07.599
<v Speaker 2>can you what what is? This is great, but like,

1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:11.479
<v Speaker 2>how did this happen? You know? A month ago, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in my parents' basement rehearsing, and now I'm sitting here

1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:18.479
<v Speaker 2>with Sheryl cru and Live and Blues Travelers. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>And at what point did they make the video?

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<v Speaker 2>The week after we signed, We just did it, and

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<v Speaker 2>we did it in Atlanta. I was like, there's some

1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:33.320
<v Speaker 2>train tracks and a worn out building over here, so

1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:35.519
<v Speaker 2>they were like okay, and you didn't have to back

1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:37.599
<v Speaker 2>then in Atlanta. You didn't have to pay for permits

1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:40.479
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, so it was cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>So by time you take the stage at Woodstock ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>is MTV play in the video?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And it was our I think it was number

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<v Speaker 2>one at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're backstage with all these happening people. Do they

1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:55.040
<v Speaker 1>recognize you? Do they know who you are? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, because they were as busy as we were. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have you know, they were just out early and

1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:02.720
<v Speaker 2>we were, you know, they had records out earlier. But

1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:07.559
<v Speaker 2>now actually we were following Kings acts because we're huge fans.

1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And finally they turned around. Doug turned around and says,

1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:15.599
<v Speaker 2>what do y'all want? And we're like, we're just fans, man,

1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:19.479
<v Speaker 2>we just want to say and they were so sweet,

1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:22.200
<v Speaker 2>but we were just naive. We didn't know what was

1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:22.680
<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what was the tour with Aerosmith?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was great? It was once again we're just

1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.360
<v Speaker 2>trying to get our feet on land. It was everything

1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:36.160
<v Speaker 2>was happening so fast. But they were extremely nice and

1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:42.040
<v Speaker 2>extremely just cordial. I mean, we stayed out of the way.

1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I think we were just so scared of them because

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know how this works. You know, We've never

1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:50.479
<v Speaker 2>been on a arena tour and never been on an

1:12:50.479 --> 1:12:53.439
<v Speaker 2>arena stage, and all of a sudden, here we are.

1:12:53.960 --> 1:12:55.639
<v Speaker 2>So we kind of just stayed out of their way.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were extremely cordial and nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So how how long after at Lenox signed you do

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<v Speaker 1>you start thinking about the second record and when do

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<v Speaker 1>you start making that?

1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:11.080
<v Speaker 2>We started immediately because once again we felt like that

1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:15.519
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a true representation of what we weren't event I mean,

1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:19.360
<v Speaker 2>we were just learning whatever we could. So I would

1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:24.719
<v Speaker 2>write during the day and during sound checks we would

1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:28.400
<v Speaker 2>play it, learn it, play it that night. Some of

1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:30.559
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics would be done, some wouldn't be done, and

1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:33.120
<v Speaker 2>then any day off we had we would go into

1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:35.679
<v Speaker 2>the studio. So it was recorded all over the place,

1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:38.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of just haphazardly wherever we could find a studio

1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.400
<v Speaker 2>when we're off, and that's how we recorded. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the second one came out eight months after the first

1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:46.880
<v Speaker 2>one was released, and during that time we probably did

1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:51.280
<v Speaker 2>at least one hundred and twenty shows and made a

1:13:51.320 --> 1:13:52.479
<v Speaker 2>record in eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you meet Matsroletk and how does he

1:13:56.120 --> 1:13:56.839
<v Speaker 1>get involved?

1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I knew Matt when I was at studio. His jazz

1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:04.080
<v Speaker 2>band came in and I would record, and he and

1:14:04.120 --> 1:14:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I just struck it up, like because he's such a

1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.960
<v Speaker 2>pure talent and he loved music and wanted to be

1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:16.040
<v Speaker 2>involved so in anything. And I don't know, it's just

1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, you have those friendships, that connection, and our

1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:23.479
<v Speaker 2>connection was we had the same type humor, We enjoyed

1:14:23.520 --> 1:14:26.000
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with each other, and we loved music. He

1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:29.639
<v Speaker 2>was very similar to me, like he couldn't absorb enough music.

1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:33.480
<v Speaker 2>So he went off to the University of Miami and graduated.

1:14:34.479 --> 1:14:37.080
<v Speaker 2>And during that time I kept working and I I

1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.240
<v Speaker 2>just knew I would always work. I trusted Matt. I

1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:42.439
<v Speaker 2>still do. I would love to work with him again.

1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I just knew what he was capable of and his talent,

1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:51.479
<v Speaker 2>and like I said, more importantly, I just trusted him

1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:55.479
<v Speaker 2>and everything and in my vision of collectivesault, like I

1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:57.320
<v Speaker 2>would say this, he goes, well, how does that work.

1:14:57.360 --> 1:14:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know, let's figure it out,

1:14:58.880 --> 1:15:02.200
<v Speaker 2>let's go for it. So it was fun.

1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Did you have any trouble convincing Atlantic to let you

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<v Speaker 1>co produce the album with Matt?

1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:13.879
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean basically, I just I just did everything.

1:15:14.600 --> 1:15:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm the one that produced it. Just allowed

1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Matt to co produce because I wanted him around, because

1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I trusted him so much. No, they didn't care. They never.

1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:27.479
<v Speaker 2>They never said a word. They never. They never even

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<v Speaker 2>knew and made a record. To be honest with you,

1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:31.559
<v Speaker 2>I just show up in New York and say, hey,

1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:33.200
<v Speaker 2>we just made a record. They go, oh my god,

1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:35.320
<v Speaker 2>we're going to make our second quarter. I was like,

1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:36.320
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking.

1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:41.040
<v Speaker 1>About, Let's go back to shine. Was that something you

1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:44.200
<v Speaker 1>just got inspired on or was it something that you

1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:46.639
<v Speaker 1>built over months or weeks or whatever.

1:15:47.520 --> 1:15:50.640
<v Speaker 2>No, I was I was writing a lot. This is

1:15:50.720 --> 1:15:53.320
<v Speaker 2>like nineteen eighty eight. I was writing a lot on droning.

1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:56.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, he droned the A and play melodies underneath

1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it and come home and see Mom and Dad and

1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Deane was in the house and he was playing guitar

1:16:02.000 --> 1:16:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know he played guitar. I'm like, cool.

1:16:04.560 --> 1:16:07.639
<v Speaker 2>So I grabbed There were guitars in the house all over,

1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:09.920
<v Speaker 2>so I grabbed one and was like, check this out.

1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:12.160
<v Speaker 2>And I was showing how different risks and drones, and

1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:15.720
<v Speaker 2>he goes, oh, I like that one, you know. Don no, no, no,

1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:18.120
<v Speaker 2>you know Sean Riff. I said, yeah, man, I don't

1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:20.479
<v Speaker 2>have anything else. But I said, give me a second,

1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:22.200
<v Speaker 2>let's see what I can figure out here. And so

1:16:22.240 --> 1:16:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I just sat right there and wrote it right in

1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:27.160
<v Speaker 2>front of him. And it was that simple.

1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:30.840
<v Speaker 1>But you wrote it in nineteen eighty eight and it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come out till ninety ninety four.

1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Yeah. Like I said, there were there are

1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of songs I recorded and wrote before all

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<v Speaker 2>this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So why did you put it on the cassette

1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that you gave to your brother if it was a

1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>six year old song?

1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Because I didn't record it till then I wrote it.

1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:51.280
<v Speaker 2>But I just, oh, yeah, I had the idea. So

1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:54.439
<v Speaker 2>I wrote it that night, and then when ground started hitting,

1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, I can make that kind of

1:16:56.000 --> 1:16:59.040
<v Speaker 2>grungy sound and you know that no no, no, no, no

1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:01.840
<v Speaker 2>no no no no no no huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So in the follow up album. You know, you

1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.680
<v Speaker 1>have two huge tracks, the World, I Know in December.

1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:10.920
<v Speaker 1>How were those written?

1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:14.920
<v Speaker 2>World? I know? I wrote when I was in New

1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:21.800
<v Speaker 2>York impressing my ex wife. It's the first time she'd

1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:25.160
<v Speaker 2>come out on the road, and I was like, you know,

1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:26.760
<v Speaker 2>just trying to impress her. I said, I'm going to

1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:29.479
<v Speaker 2>walk around New York for an hour, say if I

1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:31.320
<v Speaker 2>can come up with some kind of visual what I

1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:34.439
<v Speaker 2>want to write about. And back then New York hadn't

1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:36.640
<v Speaker 2>been cleaned up yet, so you'd walk around and you

1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:40.880
<v Speaker 2>see people in the cardboard homes and you'd see people

1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and fur coats and limousines back then, not the big

1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:47.200
<v Speaker 2>black SUVs. And I was like, well, I know, like

1:17:47.280 --> 1:17:49.720
<v Speaker 2>the yen and yang of life. So I just went

1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:52.760
<v Speaker 2>back in and sat right there and Strum didn't wrote

1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:57.240
<v Speaker 2>it out. And then December is the only song that

1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:00.000
<v Speaker 2>we ever disagreed as a band because I wrote it

1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:02.760
<v Speaker 2>one morning before the guys came in. So I was

1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.880
<v Speaker 2>listening to some XTC song and it was the same

1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:08.640
<v Speaker 2>progression over and over, but it was so creative how

1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:11.240
<v Speaker 2>they brought different melodies in. So I was like, I

1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:13.679
<v Speaker 2>want to write a song like that. Intertwines different melodies,

1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:16.800
<v Speaker 2>but the same chord progression the whole time, trying to

1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:20.960
<v Speaker 2>challenge myself as a songwriter. And the only problem is

1:18:20.960 --> 1:18:24.439
<v Speaker 2>when you play it for somebody, it's the four Court.

1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:26.599
<v Speaker 2>If you don't hear the other melodies that are in there,

1:18:27.160 --> 1:18:29.679
<v Speaker 2>it's four minutes of the same chord progression, and I'll

1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:31.799
<v Speaker 2>never forget. The guys are like, that's the most boring

1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:33.519
<v Speaker 2>shit I've ever heard in my life. I was like,

1:18:33.560 --> 1:18:36.000
<v Speaker 2>hold on, hold on, there's other melodies in here. There's

1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:38.760
<v Speaker 2>other melodies in here. They're like, we're not recording that.

1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.600
<v Speaker 2>It was like, yes, we are. I hear it. I

1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:44.240
<v Speaker 2>know it's gonna work. So that's the only song ever

1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.720
<v Speaker 2>that they've ever like adamant, and I was at them.

1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:51.080
<v Speaker 2>We've had disagreements on other songs. They will say, you know,

1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:53.000
<v Speaker 2>it's not as strong as I think you can do it,

1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and I'll go, I get that, and but this one

1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:59.559
<v Speaker 2>was the only one where I put my foot down.

1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:10.120
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So you have this song from nineteen eighty eight,

1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:14.600
<v Speaker 1>it becomes a worldwide smash. Now you make another record,

1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:19.679
<v Speaker 1>do you expect this level of success again? And when

1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you have these you know, two successful tracks. Do you

1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:25.920
<v Speaker 1>say to me and I'm God? Or what's going through

1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:26.360
<v Speaker 1>your head?

1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:29.479
<v Speaker 2>No? When we finished the record, once again, we were

1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:31.720
<v Speaker 2>really set. We looked at each other and we're all like,

1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:36.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, good job, you know, and now it's out

1:19:36.560 --> 1:19:38.400
<v Speaker 2>of our hands at this point, but if it's left

1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:41.240
<v Speaker 2>in ours. We were proud. It was a proud moment

1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:46.400
<v Speaker 2>for us. I would be lying if I didn't. Yeah,

1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:49.080
<v Speaker 2>we expected it to do well, We really did. We

1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:53.240
<v Speaker 2>felt that confident and the songs and we felt that

1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:58.040
<v Speaker 2>confident in the generation, the momentum that was going with

1:19:58.120 --> 1:20:03.200
<v Speaker 2>us at that moment. So yeah, we saw no end

1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:06.599
<v Speaker 2>in sight, which is a beautiful thing because we still

1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:09.400
<v Speaker 2>don't thirty years later. We just don't.

1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you have this gigantic success as you continue

1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:19.639
<v Speaker 1>to make records with Atlantic, you don't reach those peaks. Again,

1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:21.800
<v Speaker 1>what's going through your head?

1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Nothing? I thought they were great records, and you just

1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:28.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was a point where I thought Atlantic

1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:30.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't paying attention to us, which they never did because

1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:32.920
<v Speaker 2>who were self sufficient? You know, they, like I said,

1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:35.320
<v Speaker 2>they never knew we made a record. No A and

1:20:35.439 --> 1:20:39.080
<v Speaker 2>R person ever stepped in the studio nobody. We just

1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:41.240
<v Speaker 2>went made records and we presented to them, so there

1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:44.680
<v Speaker 2>was no cheerleading. And I get that now now I

1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:47.520
<v Speaker 2>know how the whole thing works. There was nobody cheerleading

1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:51.080
<v Speaker 2>for us. We just went and made records and somehow,

1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:56.200
<v Speaker 2>knock on wood, people accepted the songs and they were successful.

1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:58.519
<v Speaker 2>And once again you can get caught up in that

1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:02.760
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole to meh, we sold a million, why didn't

1:21:02.760 --> 1:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>we sell a million? One? Once again, to me, the

1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>success is when all five of us look at each

1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:12.719
<v Speaker 2>other and go, that's that's pretty darn good, guys, that's great,

1:21:13.120 --> 1:21:17.040
<v Speaker 2>let's let's go. So I don't. I don't put emphasis

1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:22.960
<v Speaker 2>on numbers unless it comes to uh engineering, make sure

1:21:23.000 --> 1:21:26.439
<v Speaker 2>the plane flies correctly or the lawn war doesn't fly

1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:29.040
<v Speaker 2>off the handle or something like that. But like I

1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:36.280
<v Speaker 2>can't when it comes to artistic things, it's you know, why,

1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:38.920
<v Speaker 2>why why does a Picasso cost so much? I mean,

1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:42.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I used to say there's another artist

1:21:42.520 --> 1:21:47.360
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't shouldn't be there, I mean, just because it

1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:48.719
<v Speaker 2>puts the air somewhere different.

1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.160
<v Speaker 1>To be fair to say that you believe on your

1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:56.040
<v Speaker 1>later Atlantic records that there were songs that would have

1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:59.679
<v Speaker 1>been more commercially successful if the label had worked harder

1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:00.200
<v Speaker 1>on them.

1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:07.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean literally, you got to the point they didn't

1:22:07.560 --> 1:22:09.519
<v Speaker 2>even pay attention to us. There was just there was

1:22:09.560 --> 1:22:13.400
<v Speaker 2>no effort whatsoever, which led to us wanting to become

1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>independent because I went up and spoke to him about

1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:18.559
<v Speaker 2>that that issue. And this was during the time when

1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Metallica and Napster were going at it, and I'll never

1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.639
<v Speaker 2>forget I was talking to the president of Atlantic. I'll

1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:27.920
<v Speaker 2>never forget this conversation. So I was like, he goes, no,

1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:29.479
<v Speaker 2>he love you, We love you. I was like, well,

1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't even have the CDs and stock when we

1:22:32.080 --> 1:22:34.800
<v Speaker 2>go play these shows. We're doing these shows, y'all aren't

1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:38.920
<v Speaker 2>filling the bins. I said, nobody's there to just say hey,

1:22:39.400 --> 1:22:42.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, which is fine. You need your You need

1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:46.000
<v Speaker 2>to know you're loved at some point or liked at least.

1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:49.400
<v Speaker 2>We didn't get any of the above. But when I

1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:51.519
<v Speaker 2>asked him about what's going on with this digital thing,

1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:53.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, Napster and stuff, and he threw his hands

1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:55.439
<v Speaker 2>in the air and he goes, ah, that's going to

1:22:55.520 --> 1:23:00.760
<v Speaker 2>go away. I I literally excuse my self and called

1:23:00.800 --> 1:23:03.040
<v Speaker 2>my attorney and said, I want off this record label

1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:06.719
<v Speaker 2>now because that was That's that just showed where they

1:23:06.840 --> 1:23:10.360
<v Speaker 2>just didn't. They just weren't paying attention. And I have

1:23:10.439 --> 1:23:13.400
<v Speaker 2>no problem saying that they they were not paying attention

1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:15.720
<v Speaker 2>at all.

1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:18.080
<v Speaker 1>And did you consider trying to get a deal with

1:23:18.120 --> 1:23:19.200
<v Speaker 1>another major label.

1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:24.160
<v Speaker 2>No, because we had and the guys were really supportive.

1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:27.720
<v Speaker 2>We had. We made a change in line up a

1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:34.200
<v Speaker 2>couple of guys. I felt that we had a brand,

1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>which I'm very grateful to Atlantic for helping create. It

1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:40.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't as strong a brand as it should have been

1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and could have been, and what we were striving for

1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:45.640
<v Speaker 2>it to be. But we had a brand, and I

1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:47.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, now, let's go take care of this and

1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:51.439
<v Speaker 2>do it ourselves. So we became the first true band

1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:55.559
<v Speaker 2>to get off label to go be independent when everybody

1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:58.519
<v Speaker 2>thought we were nuts, which we could be. I don't know,

1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I just it was just the right timing and the

1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:10.479
<v Speaker 2>change in the music industry. You could see it coming

1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to miles and miles away, but nobody in the music

1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>industry could see it coming. It was just weird.

1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:21.200
<v Speaker 1>You talked about changes in the band. What caused the

1:24:21.320 --> 1:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>changes in the band?

1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave it at this. When I signed with Atlantic,

1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm the only went to sign, so they were and

1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:32.759
<v Speaker 2>they were employees of mine, and I put a moral

1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:34.840
<v Speaker 2>clause in there, so I'll just leave it that two

1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>of them did some moral things. That's as far as

1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll go. And tried to help as much as it could,

1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:44.360
<v Speaker 2>but that's where it landed.

1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>So is it a band of equals or is it

1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:49.799
<v Speaker 1>really your band?

1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:54.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm the songwriter and I am the leader, but it

1:24:54.520 --> 1:25:01.360
<v Speaker 2>goes with I. If they don't like the song, you

1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>have to have a lead. If you don't have a leader,

1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:07.120
<v Speaker 2>you're you're you're gonna fail. So a lot falls on me,

1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:10.360
<v Speaker 2>but a lot falls on them too, and I expect

1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:12.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot out of them. They expect me to write

1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:16.320
<v Speaker 2>songs that they feel comfortable and then we can record,

1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:19.400
<v Speaker 2>and I expect them to I call it they put

1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:21.679
<v Speaker 2>their fairy dust on there. They just make a song

1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:27.000
<v Speaker 2>just bigger, better and explode and be something that I

1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>could have never dreamed of on my own, but they

1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:36.559
<v Speaker 2>make it this wonderful piece. So uh, there's I mean,

1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:40.559
<v Speaker 2>there's no stalin over here. You know. We talk and

1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:43.240
<v Speaker 2>we communicate as a group, but the final I do

1:25:43.320 --> 1:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>have to make the final decision. I mean, it's it's demoment.

1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:50.479
<v Speaker 2>They're they're tough decisions that has to be made. But

1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:53.519
<v Speaker 2>that's part of being a leader or the leader of

1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:54.839
<v Speaker 2>whatever organization.

1:25:56.240 --> 1:26:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, needless to say, you've been to the mountaintop. Very

1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:03.679
<v Speaker 1>few people have been to the mountaintop and the business

1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>has completely changed. But does that affect you, say, shit,

1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I was in the mountaintop. I want to be in

1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the mountaintop again. Or you've made peace with the fact

1:26:14.160 --> 1:26:16.839
<v Speaker 1>that it's hard to get there and the game changes.

1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:18.639
<v Speaker 1>What goes through your mind there?

1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't think about things like I said,

1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think about things like that. I think about

1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the next song, and I think about the next show

1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:30.479
<v Speaker 2>with my friends on stage and enjoying life with them.

1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I just do I mean, and I don't think if

1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't get whatever you define the mountaintop as, I'm

1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>happy as can be. And I don't think there's a

1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:43.040
<v Speaker 2>reason we can't get to the mountaintop. I don't know

1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:45.200
<v Speaker 2>what the mountaintop is to me. I am on the

1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>mountaintop right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're in this story. Do you part ways with

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<v Speaker 1>the initial manager is he on all through Atlantic or.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended up the gaining of the second one, the

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<v Speaker 2>Collective Soul record the second one.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're done with Atlantic, do you ever get

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<v Speaker 1>recording royalties? A lot of record coupies say, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 1>still in the red. Oh yeah, but Atlantic paid recording

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<v Speaker 1>royalties to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was very you know, one good thing about

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<v Speaker 2>being thirty and long in the tooth, I was very

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<v Speaker 2>aware because I've watched so many bands come and go,

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<v Speaker 2>like recording them and getting to know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them in the Atlanta area. I knew a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the business still, So yeah, I was very that part

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. I was not naive about.

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<v Speaker 1>And the songs? Do you own the songs?

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<v Speaker 2>I did? I owned everything and then I sold a

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<v Speaker 2>percentage to a company three years ago, but I still

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<v Speaker 2>own a percentage a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of percentage in what company did send them to sell

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<v Speaker 1>them to Round Hill? And what made you decide to

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<v Speaker 1>sell that interest?

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<v Speaker 2>Security for my family at my age, I felt, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was an extremely good deal and it

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<v Speaker 2>just it just brought security for me to know that

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<v Speaker 2>my family if something ever happened like my family's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, want for me to go out and buy

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<v Speaker 2>big house or bigger house, or more cars, or it

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<v Speaker 2>was just security for my family.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did you do with the money.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in a trust for my family. I can't even touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So if now it's three years later, three years later,

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<v Speaker 1>you still feel good about your decision to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>I did because once again I surrounded myself with people

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<v Speaker 2>that know how to take care of me and do

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<v Speaker 2>take care of me. And once again I can't touch it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I live within my means. I came from absolutely nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can once again, if Aby's ever came back

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<v Speaker 2>out with it five or five, I'm out there every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. It's like money doesn't scare me. It

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you sell the recording royalties too? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>still oan those?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Own those?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So but I re recorded those. I had the right

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<v Speaker 2>to re record them, So I re recorded all the hits, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I so the the hits of the nineties I

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<v Speaker 2>re recorded and I own that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. If you stop working tomorrow, is there enough income

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<v Speaker 1>to make it all work? Or do you have to

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<v Speaker 1>go on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not have to work another day. Neither do

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<v Speaker 2>my children. So it's that that's there's a simple answer

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<v Speaker 2>right there, right so then, but I want them to work.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want that to be a part of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my thing is I set it up for initiative. I

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<v Speaker 2>need them, haven't, you know, to get out there and

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<v Speaker 2>do their own gig.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, in Collective Soul, you're the songwriter and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of income from being a songwriter, which generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>the other members are not in your being. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>cause any friction?

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<v Speaker 2>It does not, and I think a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>has to do. I'm still ready to go out. We

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<v Speaker 2>make good money touring and I love touring, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I hadn't been brought up to me yet. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you're not causing any trouble over there, Ball.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to your record okay, and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was let it flow, could have been not the same,

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, all of a sudden, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the speakers, I go, wait a second, this is my

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<v Speaker 1>kind of music. I really dig this. What's the status

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<v Speaker 1>of rock in the world today.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I honestly, I gotta be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 2>The last three to five years I just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>referred back to what brought me joy and happiness and

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<v Speaker 2>what inspired me. I mean, I got all my records

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<v Speaker 2>over here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll buy new records. I just I think I'm lazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to hear anything else other than what

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<v Speaker 3>I call them, the professors or the artists that help me,

1:31:25.840 --> 1:31:28.479
<v Speaker 3>that brought me joy. It's just kind of where I

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<v Speaker 3>am in life. I just I'm cool with listening to

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<v Speaker 3>I'll look over here now. I got Elton R. M.

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<v Speaker 2>Pink Floyd, I was George Michael a c DC, Bob

1:31:38.200 --> 1:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Seer put Beach Boys, crowded house. But who, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what else do you need? There's only so many times,

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<v Speaker 2>so many minutes, hours in the day. I'm cool with

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<v Speaker 2>what I grew up with.

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<v Speaker 1>So you talk about vinyl. Do you have a good stereo?

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I did it when it was over here.

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<v Speaker 2>I got audio Technica. I like audio Technica, then some

1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Yamaha Howard speakers in a sub. I have four in

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<v Speaker 2>the house. So any room I go into I can

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<v Speaker 2>play records.

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<v Speaker 1>And where do you live now, I'm not looking for

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<v Speaker 1>the address, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Sandy Springs, Georgia. It's it's right outside of Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>just a suburb of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're not listening or playing music or being

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<v Speaker 1>on the road, what occupies your time?

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<v Speaker 2>Family? You know, getting a boy to school, spending time

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<v Speaker 2>with my wife. But as far as hobbies, I love golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I very rarely have time to see friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So golf is my fellowship with my buddies, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. I mean, it's a pretty simple life I live.

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<v Speaker 1>And are those buddies are those people you grew up with,

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<v Speaker 1>people you met in the studio years? Who are the

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<v Speaker 1>buddies you're playing golf with?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? Two are from my childhood, but the other ones

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<v Speaker 2>are all that I've met during just you know, growing

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<v Speaker 2>up in life, different areas.

1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>And you go on the road. Do you go on

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<v Speaker 1>the road during the summer? School's not on during the summer.

1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you take your family on the road. Do they

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<v Speaker 1>come out to visit you? What goes on there they do?

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<v Speaker 2>This year, little man's in camp so much getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>for going to high school. But my wife comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom comes out, bring my mom out for a week,

1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>just hang out. So yeah, like we're a very family.

1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>We're in the band. Other band members moms come out

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<v Speaker 2>like we just it's like going to camp. We're silly boys.

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<v Speaker 2>We love our life.

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<v Speaker 1>You come across as so even tempered and happy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you ever get angry, frustrated, depressed?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I do. I don't think I ever get depressed.

1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I have. I get frustrated and angry, of course, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I don't. I don't remember being depressed.

1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I just don't like, I don't know. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get depressed, angry and frustrated. Of course, of course I get,

1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and the anger is usually it myself for being a

1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>damn idiot. I get mad at myself more than I

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<v Speaker 2>do anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it's really interesting because I certainly seen

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<v Speaker 1>your image in videos and on album covers, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea what your personality was like and what

1:34:43.400 --> 1:34:45.720
<v Speaker 1>you were like. I mean, you're really I can see

1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:48.920
<v Speaker 1>why you're successful, and you're more even tempered certainly than

1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's no way you get angry. There is no way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I cover the spectrum of what I was

1:34:58.080 --> 1:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>asking you. That's what I You know, when I see

1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:05.360
<v Speaker 1>someone like you, it's more even tempered and more warm whatever.

1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Believe me, I notice that, and I evaluate myself and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me when I have friends that do

1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to get depressed because I don't understand that, you know.

1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>And I try to be as patient and I am

1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:17.880
<v Speaker 2>patient with that, and you want to help them, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. It's a that's a tough one for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't mean they're wrong. It's no right or wrong.

1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't want anybody to press I want

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<v Speaker 2>us all to you know, get through this whatever this is,

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<v Speaker 2>life chapter whatever, enjoying, enjoying whatever this gift is.

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<v Speaker 1>So you would say you're generally optimistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever sent on.

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<v Speaker 1>And on that node, folks, I'm going to leave you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been talking to ed Rowland, who's new band has

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<v Speaker 1>a label here to Eternity, and it's really pretty good

1:35:58.479 --> 1:36:00.439
<v Speaker 1>if you like rock music. You can see him on

1:36:00.479 --> 1:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the road, both with Hoodie and Edwin McCain and Loan.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to thank you so much for taking

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<v Speaker 1>this time to talk to my audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. This was awesome. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>No, really, it was really cool getting to know you.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do I send the four hundred and fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 2>check for therapy? To p O box.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, ed, I'm gonna leave it there all right, Rather

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<v Speaker 1>until next time it's Bob left sets