WEBVTT - Adult Education: The Game Plan 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.359 Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.400 This week's a doll education. We have on Hannah Gordon. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:09.720 So. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.960 She is one of the most influential women in football 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:18.160 by the NFL dot Com. She is a game changer 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.439 and she's got a new secondition book out Call the 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.439 Season to Change the competitors Playbook for Joy on the 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:25.360 Path to Victory. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.880 Hey, hi, Jana, how are you? I'm good? 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:29.200 Thank you? 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.200 How are you? I'm good? And I feel like I 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.240 should have a couch because. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.440 Even if I look very business today, are you are 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:38.000 you at home? 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:39.480 I am? Yeah? 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:40.040 Where's home? 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.880 Santa Clara so, San Francisco Bay Area? 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:43.600 Love? 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.919 Okay, I love that. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.800 I am in Nashville and it's a really rainy, overcast day, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.600 so it's just like, yeah, cozy, I just want to yeah, 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.959 get all cozy up. But we'll just jump right into it. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.320 What were your thoughts on Super Bowl? 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.840 I thought Kendrick's halftime show was incredible. I think that 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.399 was my big takeaway. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.120 I did not know one song, so I just must 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.760 be literally I was watching it and going, this is 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.759 the first time where I'm like, I feel so incredibly old, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.720 Like I didn't know one song. I thought there was 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.039 one that I was like, Oh, I think I know it, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.399 and then I was like, nope, still don't. I didn't 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.720 know any of the surprise guest people. I was like, oh, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.080 he didn't bring anybody out, and everyone's like, yes he did, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.520 like he brought this person, this person out. I was like, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.600 couldn't have told you, Like, not a clue. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.960 Well, then, what did you think of the Super Bowl? Well? 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.560 Super Bowl? I thought it was like halftime, so I 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.600 met more like on the football side of things, like 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.680 you know, between the Eagles and the Chiefs. I loved it. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.720 I was rooting for the Eagles, and I thought it 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:49.920 was great. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:50.880 It was so good. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.360 I think the nice thing about working in football for 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.559 a long time is you have friends in every team. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.720 So yeah, if you're not in the Super Bowl, it's 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.880 always disappointing, obviously, but you root for other people, so 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.320 you're like, you're happy for whoever it is at whatever team. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:05.320 Yeah. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.720 I was a little surprised that it was so lopsided. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.519 I knew the Eagles roster was stacked, but I was expecting. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.000 It to be a little closer. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.280 Yeah, no, for sure. I mean I think it was 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:21.240 a shock for everybody, and that's always I love I love, 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.440 love love football. So it was hard because I'm a 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.280 Lions fan, so it's you know, born and raised Detroit, 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.079 so Lions have always been And like you know, it 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.560 was a really tough loss this year for us. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.520 It felt like your year. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.400 I thought so too. But I mean the Eagles, man, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.720 they were They're just so stacked and they were all 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.920 so healthy, it seemed like, and so we were not. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.840 I don't we would have I think have gotten cremated 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.600 in the end, but like we did. But you know, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.560 it's one of those where for me, I've always enjoyed, 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.040 Like it's always so sad, you know, when they go 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.519 to show the sidelines and they see, you know, the 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.440 people the person that the team that's losing, and I 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.680 feel my heart like breaks for them, but also there's 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.680 so much I'm so happy for these random players. I 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.359 don't even know it all, but they're crying and they're 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.239 so happy, and it's like to be able to. So 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.400 it's like I'm so sad, but I'm also so happy 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.320 for the people that went into even whether it was 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.560 even if the Chiefs would have won. Again, I've been 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.280 I love when people's dreams come true and they you know, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.520 they succeed and they're happy, and like, I love that, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.560 and then I feel so sad for the people that 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.880 you know lose, because losing isn't fun. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.320 You're right, you're empathic and like it's natural, Like I 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.720 feel that way. That's why sports is so cathartic, right, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.400 It's like you get to feel other people's pain and. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.400 Also other people's joy and somebody's just claiming the other day. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.000 The word for it in Buddhism is mudita, the details 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.520 do you feel when someone else feels joy? And I 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.800 was like, oh, that's what a great word to have 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.640 in your vocabulary or in your language, right, is to 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.720 like have a word for the joy you feel from 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:00.680 other people's joy. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:01.240 Yep. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:01.960 Absolutely. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.480 And how did you get into football? 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.480 I started way back in college. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.160 So I went to UCLA, and as a homesick freshman, 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.280 sitting on my little dorm room bed figuring out what 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.760 to major in, I started watching a ton of sports 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.799 and I saw Hannah Storm hosting halftime during the NBA 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:25.200 playoffs and she was just smart and witty and funny, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.640 and I was like, this is a job, Like you 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.160 can just talk about sports and be smart and funny, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.320 Like how do I get that job? So I applied 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.359 to the student paper and started covering football for the 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.960 student paper and did that for my junior and senior years. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.159 That led to internships at the Raiders. I'm from Oakland, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:48.239 originally in PR. I worked at Fox Sports West in production. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.160 After I graduated, I went to the NFL Players Association, which, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.080 for folks who don't know, is the union for the 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.480 players and did digital content for them. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.440 So it wasn't about the guys then, wasn't about the 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.200 football player? 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.279 No, to me, the game is like it's just a 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.000 beautiful game. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:10.159 It's like chess but with sort of like brutal physicality 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.279 and like incredible physical skill. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:20.520 And then your book, So now you have what I 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.960 guess for you know, for the women that are listening. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.000 What is the message then in your book? Obviously it 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.039 centers around the sports, you know, in football terms, right 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.760 or yeah. So the book is essentially how to get 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.000 wherever it is you want to go and figure that 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.080 out through the lessons of football. So it first grew 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.960 out of so many people asking me like how do 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.680 I get where you are? Like how do I become 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:46.400 a woman at the top of a. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.479 Male dominated industry or whatever it might their dream might be. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.120 And so I really had to reflect on like okay, yeah, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.279 like how did I get here? Like what are the 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.040 lessons that made me successful? And I realized that those 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.120 lessons really matched up to what I had learned through 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.200 the game itself. And so I take you through first 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.680 film study, which is essentially self awareness, right, which we 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.200 need to have for our own lives as well as 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.920 if we want to lead other people. Second vision, which 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.640 obviously athletes use and so many other people successfully. Third 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.000 game plan, like that once you have the vision, you 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.480 have to figure out what are the steps to get 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.279 where you want to go? And then fourth team, which 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.520 is who are the people around you? Like who is 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.840 it that you need in your life to get where 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.000 you want to go? Fifth is in game adjustments, So 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.279 like you have a plan, but you know the chiefs 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.359 had a plan too, Like it didn't work. You have 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.799 to adjust, right, Like at halftime, you're going to make adjustments, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:37.080 Like we. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.080 All have to do the same thing. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.159 Like you know I've read about like your story, like 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.800 things didn't go perfectly for you, and you made adjustments 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.039 right and found the way to get there, and then. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.039 What I call reading the clips. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.200 So when you are you know, like yourself, you're famous, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.120 like people talk about you all the time. But even 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.680 if you're not famous, you're constantly getting feedback and that 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.360 might be on social that might be just the way 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.479 your coworker looks at you, or the way your spouse 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.600 says something in the morning. Like you're getting incoming information 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.240 all the time and you have to figure out how 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.440 to categorize that and what to do with it. And 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.040 then the seventh piece is recovery. So in sports, this 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.960 has really developed a lot in the last twenty years, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.600 really understanding human performance and recovery, and I think it 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.640 unfortunately hasn't trickled quite enough to the rest of us 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.800 that like what our sleep, what we eat, how much 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.320 hydration we get, it is affecting our performance as well, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.960 like our brain's performance, our bodies performance. So it doesn't 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:37.840 really matter, like you don't have to be a professional 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.400 athlete if you want to be great at podcasting and acting, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.360 or you want to be great at being a parent 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.560 or anything like, you do have to take care of 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.480 your body and focus on what recovery looks like for you. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.000 And then The. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.720 Last piece is practice, So it's you've got to cycle 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.160 through all these things over and. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.920 Over again because it's all practice makes perfect. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.000 What do you think of out of those what has 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:06.440 been the most helpful football analogy lesson in your life 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:07.280 film study? 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:12.680 So I think for me, like that was understanding that 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.600 observing yourself kind of from the outside or replaying things, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.559 not in a like self critical to be self critical way, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.920 but just to step outside yourself as the observer and 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.560 be like, okay, like what are the things I'm doing 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:27.360 over and over again? 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.680 Like what are my patterns? Like how could I break that? 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.920 So for me, that's the most powerful piece, and that's 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.600 why it's the first piece, because I think for most 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.439 people it's like until you work through whatever that stuff is, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.640 the rest of it's never going to work without fixing that. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.440 No, It's true. I remember when I used to tour on 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.480 the road, we would listen back to the to the 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.680 board tape and it was probably my least favorite thing 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.480 that I did with the band, but it was the 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.360 best thing that I did to grow and to become 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.680 a better, better singer and you know, better entertainer because 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.560 I would listen to be like, oh, God, that was 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.280 so incredibly flat or that or you know, I'm so 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.800 out of breath here, how can I change this? Or 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.319 you know that well that joke actually wasn't that funny, 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.000 And like, you know, there's just so many things where 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.000 I'm like, it was the hardest thing to listen and 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.480 watch myself not do great at But there was also 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.319 moments where I was like, Okay, I got better throughout it, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:32.080 and the I became more confident through the process of it, too, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.360 like being able to go, Okay, you know, I've got 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.880 stuff I need to work on, and I think that's 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.199 that's a good you know. I kind of I kind 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.160 of think back now on that with other areas of 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.160 my life. I don't love to watch myself when a 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.400 movie comes out, but I think there's certain scenes and 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.040 I'm like, I want to see how that. Like I 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.319 need to watch some pieces of it to be able 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.680 to go, okay, I really wasn't as connected as I 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.439 should have been or whatever it was, you know, how 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.839 to improve because I think that is a really good 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:01.960 tool for everybody. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.240 One hundred percent. Like what you described is exactly film 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.320 study for athletes. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:12.040 Yeah, it's interesting, it was very Yeah, I'm I totally 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.920 just like I remember that. I was like, but I 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.040 got to think how I can incorporate that now into 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:33.600 you know, today, And then what for you do you think? 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.280 Where do you think people? Obviously you know the playbook 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.560 and stuff, but where do you think you know other people, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.760 like another one that people could really dive into to 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.160 be able to to grow. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.040 Yeah, so well, the. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:53.160 Whole book is the combination of a memoir and a 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.040 journal for you. So it's like the person reading and 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.320 is creating half of the book. And one of the 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.480 things they kind of to is like the three daily 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.319 tools I've used for years and I hope will continue 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.320 to use forever, which is and they sound simple, but 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.280 they're they're profound if you actually do them every day. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.760 Number one is gratitude, So just writing down three things 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.640 that you're grateful for, and it could be you know, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:17.560 three wins you. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.480 Had, like you can kind of shape it how you want. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.760 The second is affirmation, so writing down I am blank 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.400 whatever you know, if you're Jana, you're I am a 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.400 great actress, an awesome mom, a wonderful wife, a you know, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.480 a successful podcaster. I or it could be you know, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.880 like I am incredibly present with you, like whatever it 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.280 is that you're affirming about yourself. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:41.640 And then the third is focus. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.600 So every day I set what is the focus for today, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.319 And I find that that's really helpful for prioritization because 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.959 none of us can do all the things, So being 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.400 really clear about what's the most important today, I find 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.079 really helpful. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.880 Yeah, it was interesting too. While I was reading this 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.280 came up online. I don't know if it was true 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.800 or not, but it said it was the most watched 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.920 super Bowl in like forever. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:06.120 That. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:07.920 I mean, that's what all the articles are saying. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.760 So yeah, I'm going to same there's a data point, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.520 but I think one hundred and twenty eight million local 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.679 viewers of just the halftime, but usually they have even 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:16.760 more than that, I think globally. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.840 Do you think the t Swift effect plays into that 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.160 a little bit too, That's a good question. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.080 I don't know sort of what research was done to 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.320 see like how much that effect has had over time. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.280 I mean Super Bowl generally is watched even by like 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.320 super casual fans all over the world, because for people 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.040 who don't even watch football, they watch it for the 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.240 commercials or for the halftime. Sure, I do think some 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.280 people who are more football fans definitely wanted to see, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.480 like if the Chiefs with repeat obviously, that would be 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.920 like a really historic thing. And then I think, you know, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.680 the Eagles have a very strong, you know, fan base, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.800 those are you know, sizable enough, I think markets it's 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:00.679 not surprising. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.000 Yeah, no, for sure. I was just find it so 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:09.000 interesting because you know, I have some people on accounts 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.960 and they're like, oh, you know Taylor stuff. I'm like, hey, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.440 like she's brought a lot of you know, women over 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.960 to football and like, and again, I love football, so 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:20.920 I think it's I think it's great, you know. And yeah, 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.480 so I think that's I think that's a cool thing. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.319 Yeah, I think it's a great thing. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.960 The fan base, even before you know, Taylor and Travis 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.240 were together, was already forty eight percent female, which I 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.800 think a lot of people don't realize. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:36.600 Oh that's interesting. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.280 I had no idea it was already forty eight percent females. 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.360 So it's like we were already there, but right, for sure. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.760 But I still think it's great that they're obviously, you know, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.000 you can see by the follower accounts that he had 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.800 change and that the Chiefs had changed. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.440 That. Certainly they got extra fans from her, no doubt. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.640 What would you like to see change in football? 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.240 M It's not so. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.320 I mean, I think it's an amazing, great game and 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.280 it's always evolving. They're always pushing the rules to be 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.320 not only safer, but to be faster. So, like I 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.319 both have very small children, I always I have always 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.880 appreciated defense. I kind of understand now why there's always 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.320 a push for offense now that I have very small 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.160 children who are like, I want to see another touchdown, 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.720 you know, They're like, they just want to see touchdowns. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:25.000 So I get that. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:27.880 I think one of the things that's kind of exciting 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.720 as a change is that flag is going to be 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.560 in the Olympics in twenty twenty eight, which also obviously 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.400 opens up a lot of opportunity for women because it's 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.200 going to be a male and female sport in the Olympics, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.680 and there's some talk now that there may be a 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.200 professional women's. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:43.760 Flag lead coming. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.240 Interesting A flag yeah, because yeah, well you know you 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.800 look at hockey though, and they're all padded up, So 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.200 why does it have to be flag? 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.600 Well, you know, it doesn't have to be flag, But 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.520 I'll say I don't know how many. If you go 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.720 to really competitive flag game, it is a pretty like 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.920 aggressive intense contact. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.280 Yeah, I mean kind of like lacrosse. I've seen you know, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:13.280 women playing like man, it's intense, physical, very I mean 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.040 I kind of have a little PTSD when I think 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.280 about the flag football just goes back to my powder 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.680 puff days and high school. And I was like, on 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.000 the target list, I'm like, how. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:21.760 Did I do? Like what? 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.320 I don't understand? Why? Why are the seniors targeting? 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:26.120 Like? 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.040 This did not feel fun? I think we lost too, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.360 so but I would like it. I would like a 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:38.680 repeat that. I mean for you is it? I think 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.280 it's got to be great because I love I love 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.280 Aaron Andrews and I love Chris A. Thompson. I think 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.840 it's I love to see women in sports. So that's 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.280 why I was excited to see your name on the 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.320 rundown because you, like you said, like, you're in a 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.360 male dominated sport and you're making waves, and so what 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.360 is what is it about you that was able to 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.440 really get in there and for women that also want to, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.800 you know, follow the same path in which is mostly business, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.840 a male dominated world with business. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.880 Yeah, I think a lot of it comes down to confidence. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.520 I think to survive in any type of highly competitive 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:21.880 and sometimes difficult environments, like you have to really believe 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.160 in yourself so that when people are either putting you 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.440 down or whatever it is, that you are very clear 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.720 about like who you are. So I think that's probably 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.080 the most important part. Like anyone who's trying to succeed 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.040 in a field like that, I always tell them, like, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.800 you've got to have confidence and competence, Like you've got 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.960 to be great at what you do, but you also 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.360 have to project to everyone else that you know that 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.280 you're great at what you do. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.400 Yeah, you have to do it yourself. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.680 And how old you say your kids were? 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:49.960 My kids are three and one. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.840 Any boys. My one year old's a boy, a boy? 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.320 Would you let him play football? 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.880 Oh? What a good question that we discuss our house 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.000 all the time. He loves basketball and football, but mostly basketball. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.439 It's a favorite card right now. I would definitely let 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.879 both of them play flag. I'm the type of like 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:14.200 hyper warrior that like I worry about them playing like anything. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.199 Like I'm like, I'm like, I need to get them 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.600 hard tested to play basketball, like I'm just so I'm 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.600 probably not the right person to ask, because I'm like, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.960 can I bubble wrap them? Like can they like should 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.600 you even be tumbling right now? 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.840 I know, but I think there's such a difference. And 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.679 you see all the stuff about the you know, what 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.960 happens with the concussions and the what's the CTE? 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:35.880 Is that right? 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:41.399 So that's scary stuff, you know, and especially if you 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.160 started a young age. I remember talking to my ex 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.919 husband about it because he obviously he played football, and 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.919 you know, I now that our son's older, we know 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.639 that that's definitely not in his lane. Like he doesn't 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.480 like to be he doesn't love the wrestling like that. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.840 So that's great, so we don't have to have that conversation. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.960 But like you know, it was one of those things 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.200 where he was like, we're gonna wait until later down 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.200 the line, you know, where it's not super super young, 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.359 and yeah, I mean even then, it's like I just 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.960 you just hear stories and it's as a mom, it's 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.679 like I can't even like imagine I don't want him 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.800 to get you know, wrestled or. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.639 I mean that's the case of like every right, like 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:22.480 I'm always. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.640 Like, ah, they built down, I'm like, are you okay? 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.040 My gosh, my son he was at a baseball and 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.560 I was my daughter. He was at baseball and then 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.920 my daughter. They were same time game. And so I'm 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:36.080 going from his field to my daughter's field, and all 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.159 I saw was my son holding his like nose and 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.280 like blood coming down. And I and like my gut 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.760 instinct is what I did. But I ran into the 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:49.000 field like like I just had But I just saw 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.520 blood in my child. And you know, like the coaches 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.359 like he's fine. I'm like no, I'm like, Jay's like, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.199 you know, but the ball like hit him in the 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:56.879 nose and it gave him a bloody nose. And so 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.480 but I'm even just stuff like that, I can't imagine 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.320 if you got like Hackle, I would be pulling the 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:07.000 kids off and be like throwing them off like idea psycho. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:12.160