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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: This week's a doll education. We have on Hannah Gordon.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: She is one of the most influential women in football

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Speaker 2: by the NFL dot Com. She is a game changer

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Speaker 2: and she's got a new secondition book out Call the

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Speaker 2: Season to Change the competitors Playbook for Joy on the

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Speaker 2: Path to Victory.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hi, Jana, how are you? I'm good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: How are you? I'm good? And I feel like I

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Speaker 3: should have a couch because.

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Speaker 1: Even if I look very business today, are you are

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Speaker 1: you at home?

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Speaker 3: I am? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Where's home?

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Speaker 3: Santa Clara so, San Francisco Bay Area?

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Speaker 2: Love?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I love that.

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Speaker 2: I am in Nashville and it's a really rainy, overcast day,

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Speaker 2: so it's just like, yeah, cozy, I just want to yeah,

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Speaker 2: get all cozy up. But we'll just jump right into it.

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: I thought Kendrick's halftime show was incredible. I think that

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Speaker 1: was my big takeaway.

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Speaker 2: I did not know one song, so I just must

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Speaker 2: be literally I was watching it and going, this is

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Speaker 2: the first time where I'm like, I feel so incredibly old,

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't know one song. I thought there was

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Speaker 2: one that I was like, Oh, I think I know it,

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Speaker 2: and then I was like, nope, still don't. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know any of the surprise guest people. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he didn't bring anybody out, and everyone's like, yes he did,

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Speaker 2: like he brought this person, this person out. I was like,

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Speaker 2: couldn't have told you, Like, not a clue.

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Speaker 3: Well, then, what did you think of the Super Bowl? Well?

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl? I thought it was like halftime, so I

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Speaker 2: met more like on the football side of things, like

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Speaker 2: you know, between the Eagles and the Chiefs. I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I was rooting for the Eagles, and I thought it

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Speaker 2: was great.

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Speaker 3: It was so good.

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Speaker 1: I think the nice thing about working in football for

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Speaker 1: a long time is you have friends in every team.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're not in the Super Bowl, it's

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Speaker 1: always disappointing, obviously, but you root for other people, so

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Speaker 1: you're like, you're happy for whoever it is at whatever team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was a little surprised that it was so lopsided.

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Speaker 1: I knew the Eagles roster was stacked, but I was expecting.

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Speaker 3: It to be a little closer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. I mean I think it was

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Speaker 2: a shock for everybody, and that's always I love I love,

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Speaker 2: love love football. So it was hard because I'm a

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Speaker 2: Lions fan, so it's you know, born and raised Detroit,

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Speaker 2: so Lions have always been And like you know, it

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Speaker 2: was a really tough loss this year for us.

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Speaker 3: It felt like your year.

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Speaker 2: I thought so too. But I mean the Eagles, man,

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Speaker 2: they were They're just so stacked and they were all

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Speaker 2: so healthy, it seemed like, and so we were not.

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Speaker 2: I don't we would have I think have gotten cremated

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Speaker 2: in the end, but like we did. But you know,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where for me, I've always enjoyed,

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Speaker 2: Like it's always so sad, you know, when they go

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Speaker 2: to show the sidelines and they see, you know, the

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Speaker 2: people the person that the team that's losing, and I

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Speaker 2: feel my heart like breaks for them, but also there's

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Speaker 2: so much I'm so happy for these random players. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know it all, but they're crying and they're

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Speaker 2: it's like I'm so sad, but I'm also so happy

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Speaker 2: for the people that went into even whether it was

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Speaker 2: even if the Chiefs would have won. Again, I've been

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Speaker 2: I love when people's dreams come true and they you know,

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Speaker 2: they succeed and they're happy, and like, I love that,

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Speaker 2: and then I feel so sad for the people that

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Speaker 2: you know lose, because losing isn't fun.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you're empathic and like it's natural, Like I

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Speaker 1: feel that way. That's why sports is so cathartic, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like you get to feel other people's pain and.

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Speaker 3: Also other people's joy and somebody's just claiming the other day.

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Speaker 1: The word for it in Buddhism is mudita, the details

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Speaker 1: do you feel when someone else feels joy? And I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's what a great word to have

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Speaker 1: in your vocabulary or in your language, right, is to

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Speaker 1: like have a word for the joy you feel from

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And how did you get into football?

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Speaker 3: I started way back in college.

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Speaker 1: So I went to UCLA, and as a homesick freshman,

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Speaker 1: sitting on my little dorm room bed figuring out what

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Speaker 1: and I saw Hannah Storm hosting halftime during the NBA

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Speaker 1: and I was like, this is a job, Like you

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Speaker 1: Like how do I get that job? So I applied

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Speaker 1: to the student paper and started covering football for the

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Speaker 1: student paper and did that for my junior and senior years.

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Speaker 1: That led to internships at the Raiders. I'm from Oakland,

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Speaker 1: originally in PR. I worked at Fox Sports West in production.

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Speaker 1: After I graduated, I went to the NFL Players Association, which,

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Speaker 1: for folks who don't know, is the union for the

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Speaker 1: players and did digital content for them.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't about the guys then, wasn't about the

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Speaker 3: No, to me, the game is like it's just a

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Speaker 3: beautiful game.

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Speaker 1: It's like chess but with sort of like brutal physicality

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Speaker 1: and like incredible physical skill.

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Speaker 2: And then your book, So now you have what I

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Speaker 2: guess for you know, for the women that are listening.

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Speaker 2: What is the message then in your book? Obviously it

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Speaker 2: centers around the sports, you know, in football terms, right

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Speaker 2: or yeah. So the book is essentially how to get

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Speaker 2: out through the lessons of football. So it first grew

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Speaker 2: out of so many people asking me like how do

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Speaker 2: a woman at the top of a.

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Speaker 1: Male dominated industry or whatever it might their dream might be.

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Speaker 1: And so I really had to reflect on like okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the game itself. And so I take you through first

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Speaker 1: film study, which is essentially self awareness, right, which we

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Speaker 1: if we want to lead other people. Second vision, which

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Speaker 1: obviously athletes use and so many other people successfully. Third

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Speaker 1: it that you need in your life to get where

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Speaker 1: you want to go? Fifth is in game adjustments, So

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Speaker 1: like you have a plan, but you know the chiefs

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Speaker 3: All have to do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Like you know I've read about like your story, like

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Speaker 1: things didn't go perfectly for you, and you made adjustments

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Speaker 3: What I call reading the clips.

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Speaker 1: So when you are you know, like yourself, you're famous,

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Speaker 1: like people talk about you all the time. But even

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Speaker 1: if you're not famous, you're constantly getting feedback and that

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Speaker 1: to categorize that and what to do with it. And

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Speaker 1: then the seventh piece is recovery. So in sports, this

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Speaker 1: unfortunately hasn't trickled quite enough to the rest of us

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Speaker 1: that like what our sleep, what we eat, how much

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Speaker 1: like our brain's performance, our bodies performance. So it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really matter, like you don't have to be a professional

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Speaker 3: And then The.

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Speaker 1: Last piece is practice, So it's you've got to cycle

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Speaker 3: Over again because it's all practice makes perfect.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of out of those what has

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Speaker 2: been the most helpful football analogy lesson in your life

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Speaker 2: film study?

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Speaker 1: So I think for me, like that was understanding that

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Speaker 3: Like what are my patterns? Like how could I break that?

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Speaker 1: So for me, that's the most powerful piece, and that's

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Speaker 1: why it's the first piece, because I think for most

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Speaker 2: No, It's true. I remember when I used to tour on

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Speaker 2: the road, we would listen back to the to the

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Speaker 2: board tape and it was probably my least favorite thing

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Speaker 2: you know that well that joke actually wasn't that funny,

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Speaker 2: And like, you know, there's just so many things where

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Speaker 2: moments where I was like, Okay, I got better throughout it,

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Speaker 2: and the I became more confident through the process of it, too,

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Speaker 2: that's a good you know. I kind of I kind

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Speaker 2: of think back now on that with other areas of

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Speaker 2: my life. I don't love to watch myself when a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to see how that. Like I

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Speaker 2: need to watch some pieces of it to be able

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Like what you described is exactly film

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Speaker 3: study for athletes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, it was very Yeah, I'm I totally

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Speaker 2: just like I remember that. I was like, but I

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Speaker 2: Where do you think people? Obviously you know the playbook

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Speaker 1: I hope they just take away their their own confidence

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Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred.

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Speaker 1: So I love that you said that that it really

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Speaker 1: comes back to like those gratitude exercises, Like we have

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Speaker 1: to start choosing to find joy in everything, and then

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Speaker 1: you start seeing it more places, because like you're essentially

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Speaker 1: training your brain to see the joy instead of to

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Speaker 1: see the lack. And so like when you're doing that

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Speaker 1: every day, like you'll find it easier and easier because

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Speaker 1: you're realized like, oh wait, like I didn't book that event,

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Speaker 1: but like I'm a beautiful, famous actress, married to somebody

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Speaker 1: who loves me, who has you know, multiple healthy children

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Speaker 1: and like a dope podcasts, and like.

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Speaker 3: You start it just trains your brain.

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Speaker 1: To be like oh Wow, wait, my life is awesome,

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Speaker 1: Like I have so much that is bringing me joy.

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Speaker 1: And also you start finding the joy and like just

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Speaker 1: really small basic things like whether it's like a hot shower,

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Speaker 1: your favorite type of pop coffee, or whatever, you realize

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Speaker 1: like there's joy around you all the time. So like

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Speaker 1: if you don't book that, you're more likely to be like, huh,

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Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't meant for me. Like, guess guess my

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Speaker 1: joy is coming in the next.

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Speaker 2: Thing, right, Ye know that makes sense. I like that. Well,

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming on. Uh wait, by the way,

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Speaker 2: who do you root for? Since you have so many

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Speaker 2: friends and different yeah, rot you have one.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a single team.

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Speaker 2: I need you to pick one. I really do.

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Speaker 3: Oh you do? Okay, well.

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean obviously I was with the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers for so long, so I guess I'll say the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: But I am from Oakland, so you.

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Speaker 2: Stole our coach from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, so I'm from Oakland, so I'll always

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Speaker 1: have silver and black and me as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming on, and everyone go get

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Speaker 2: the Season of Change. The competitors playbook for Joy On

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Speaker 2: The Path to Victory second edition.

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Speaker 3: Thank you girl. I have a great thing