Speaker 1: I do think womenly differently, and I do think it's
Speaker 1: clearly made a difference in those countries that are led
Speaker 1: by women. And I think it's made a difference in
Speaker 1: businesses that have a number of women at the top,
Speaker 1: even if it isn't the CEO and Finucan has been
Speaker 1: called a global powerhouse. Indeed, she's appeared on the most
Speaker 1: Powerful Women's list from Forbes, Fortune and More. As Vice
Speaker 1: chairman of Bank of America and oversees the bank strategic
Speaker 1: positioning while also leading the company's E s G, sustainable finance,
Speaker 1: and public policy efforts. She's also chair of Bank of
Speaker 1: America Europe. I'm a land Revere and this is Seneca's
Speaker 1: Women to Hear. We are bringing you one high drend
Speaker 1: of the world's most inspiring and history making women you
Speaker 1: need to hear and Fanuken has been pivotal in how
Speaker 1: Bank of America has led through the COVID response, and
Speaker 1: she's also been responsible for the bank making a billion
Speaker 1: dollar commitment to programs that promote racial and economic equality
Speaker 1: and communities across America. One of the many things that
Speaker 1: make Anna stand out is her support for women inside
Speaker 1: and outside the bank. She's been responsible for launching the
Speaker 1: bank's many innovative and impactful programs that boost women's entrepreneurship
Speaker 1: and financial security. I've been delighted to no Anne for
Speaker 1: many years. I've seen firsthand the tremendous difference she has
Speaker 1: made in the world. Listen and learn why and Fanuken
Speaker 1: is one of Seneca's one women to hear. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's terrific and to have you with us today. You
Speaker 1: have quite a list of achievements and hold quite a portfolio.
Speaker 1: So let's step back for a moment and tell our
Speaker 1: listeners what was it about your background or you're growing
Speaker 1: up that defined you and made you the leader that
Speaker 1: you are today. Well, thank you for calling me a leader, Milan.
Speaker 1: I think what for me is my family life. I
Speaker 1: am from a large Irish Catholic family with two older
Speaker 1: brothers and an older sister and then two younger sisters
Speaker 1: and a pretty liberal uh family. Although I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: known it growing up, uh, but you know, you learned
Speaker 1: that when you get out into the world. My father
Speaker 1: was always pushing us to think for ourselves, and and
Speaker 1: in the Catholic Church, particularly amongst the Jesuits, they have
Speaker 1: saying that conscience reigned supreme, which meant that you had
Speaker 1: to rely on your conscience, which meant you had to
Speaker 1: be informed. And UM, so as a result, that was
Speaker 1: what was expected. And over time in my very formative years,
Speaker 1: I was in high school when so much chaos occurred.
Speaker 1: I had two older brothers that were in the um
Speaker 1: lottery draft. One got a very low number, one got
Speaker 1: a very high number. Uh. The campuses were closed down
Speaker 1: by seventy on May Day, so that you couldn't the
Speaker 1: kids in college couldn't finish their college classes by then. Uh,
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy had been assassinated and Martin Luther King before him.
Speaker 1: So it was such a turbulent time. We were watching
Speaker 1: conventions that were riots in the streets in Chicago. So
Speaker 1: it was hard to be compelled to be alert, to
Speaker 1: have your conscience uh direct you, and to be informed
Speaker 1: was to know all of that was going on. The
Speaker 1: war in Vietnam was under great contention and not embraced
Speaker 1: in my household. So UM, I think that's what probably
Speaker 1: formed my early years. And uh what followed was a
Speaker 1: series of jobs that all together got me to where
Speaker 1: I am today at Bank of America. Well, you're truly
Speaker 1: a leader. And when you mentioned a saying of the Jesuits,
Speaker 1: I was also thinking about women and men for others,
Speaker 1: and you have certainly been for others. And I know
Speaker 1: that during the time that you've had now illustrious time
Speaker 1: at Bank of America, the financial institutions have had to
Speaker 1: face many challenges, not the least of which today is COVID,
Speaker 1: which has set all of our lives upside down, and
Speaker 1: certainly institutions and everybody who is impacted by it. How
Speaker 1: did it affect the bank and what did you see
Speaker 1: happening to your clients as this plays out? And how
Speaker 1: has the bank responded? Well, you know, the president is
Speaker 1: always uh affected by the past, and ten years ago
Speaker 1: we went through the financial crisis when banks we're not
Speaker 1: beloved and there are so many things we wish we
Speaker 1: had done better. And so over the last ten years
Speaker 1: we've really had an opportunity two uh form this this
Speaker 1: focus on what we call responsible growth, and what that
Speaker 1: means is really thinking through every time you do something,
Speaker 1: what value is it to your customers, your clients, your employees,
Speaker 1: your your communities, and to your shareholders. And it really
Speaker 1: makes the difference because it is what has informed are
Speaker 1: our minimum wage is what has informed our increased maternity
Speaker 1: fraternity leaves informed our decisions on prison reform, and and
Speaker 1: and on gun control, because you're really thinking through what
Speaker 1: is in the best interest of all the communities and
Speaker 1: constituents we serve, and sometimes there are hard decisions to make.
Speaker 1: But in that time period, I think we made some
Speaker 1: very good decisions. So when COVID hit, we were prepared,
Speaker 1: certainly not for the length or the magnitude of it,
Speaker 1: but for the idea that a crisis could hit. We
Speaker 1: had already had several hurricanes, We had, you know, so
Speaker 1: many sort of preambles that this was something that we
Speaker 1: had at least prepared for in part. And what we
Speaker 1: did is try to lean right in in the beginning.
Speaker 1: And for over eight months now, most of the employees
Speaker 1: at the company, and I'm talking about of the employees
Speaker 1: work from home, and nearly all of them are working
Speaker 1: and working from home. We told them early on in
Speaker 1: March that no one would be laid off. So now
Speaker 1: everyone takes a sigh of relief and can think about
Speaker 1: their job, not whether they're going to have the job.
Speaker 1: We try to make sure for those either coming into
Speaker 1: the office. We're considered an essential service. So our banking
Speaker 1: centers or people may call them branches, had to be open,
Speaker 1: trading for had to be open for those people coming in,
Speaker 1: making sure their transportation to and from the office was safe,
Speaker 1: that their meals were brought in, that they had masks
Speaker 1: and plexiglass and all of that. But also for people
Speaker 1: at home, same thing, not the plexiglass, but whether you
Speaker 1: came into the office or you're at home, if you
Speaker 1: had children, we um provided you with a stipend every
Speaker 1: day to bring somebody in to help with the children,
Speaker 1: so that could be assist stir and aunt and uncle
Speaker 1: and niece and nephew, a kid in the neighborhood, so
Speaker 1: that we could do two things. One put your mind
Speaker 1: at ease that the kids were being looked after, and
Speaker 1: two maybe give some employment to someone that now had
Speaker 1: lost a job. So it's those kind of very practical
Speaker 1: things that with our clients. We immediately let people know
Speaker 1: that if they needed to defer payments on credit cards,
Speaker 1: auto loans, mortgage, small business, they could do that. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was interesting though many asked for it. In the end, UH,
Speaker 1: a whole lot of them didn't really avail themselves of
Speaker 1: it now. I think part of it was the stimulus package,
Speaker 1: and part of it is that for some industries it
Speaker 1: was not as onerous as we thought it might be.
Speaker 1: But we did that immediately. We uh were the largest
Speaker 1: uh P p P uh that's the government program Payrell
Speaker 1: Protection program with the government, we were the largest UM.
Speaker 1: We had the most amount of small businesses apply for
Speaker 1: that UH three D seventy thousand I think, So we
Speaker 1: had to put a lot of people against that UM
Speaker 1: but that was important. So you had to first give
Speaker 1: them the flexibility that they didn't have to pay right
Speaker 1: away what their bills were, because they needed to be
Speaker 1: able to center like what they had and what they
Speaker 1: didn't have, and then try to help get these UM
Speaker 1: uh P p P loans done. And that just gives
Speaker 1: you a sort of a brief sense of some of
Speaker 1: what we did for our consumer and small business clients.
Speaker 1: And then we worked with more sophisticated commercial clients on
Speaker 1: all sorts of things to try to realign their work. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a really extensive list of reaching out and responding
Speaker 1: to you know, some the things that you mentioned in
Speaker 1: terms of job security and childcare became so essential and
Speaker 1: are essential, and you've been so responsive. It's it's very impressive.
Speaker 1: You know. We also saw this year these massive calls
Speaker 1: for racial and social justice which so affect our society
Speaker 1: from one coast to the other. You all have been
Speaker 1: extremely responsive in that regard as well. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that in so, you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. During the pandemic, we had also put for
Speaker 1: we UH philanthropically give two hundred and fifty million dollars away.
Speaker 1: That's cash. There are other things we do in kind,
Speaker 1: but cash in the ninety markets in which we operate
Speaker 1: in which would think of those as cities or major
Speaker 1: towns for regions. UH. We added to that, we committed
Speaker 1: another hundred million dollars to support and then address the
Speaker 1: pressing needs of related to coronavirus. And what was apparent
Speaker 1: to us and clearly captured in the press is UH
Speaker 1: communities of color were affected h much more than any
Speaker 1: other community, both in job loss and in being affected
Speaker 1: by affected by the virus itself. So this was on
Speaker 1: our mind. UH, Andrew Pleaploi've met and runs um it
Speaker 1: directs the daily e s G efforts had also worked
Speaker 1: with our outside UM group, our national Advisory Community, our
Speaker 1: National Community Advisory Council, and this is leaders of the
Speaker 1: civil rights movement, affordable housing. I'm talking about DAN double A, CP,
Speaker 1: Urban League, UNIDOSE, UH Series and a number of others.
Speaker 1: So they they are in civil rights, they are in
Speaker 1: um UH affordable housing, they are in the green space.
Speaker 1: And we met with them help us think this through.
Speaker 1: So the extent of the Black community particularly being affected
Speaker 1: and also the Hispanic community or Latin X was extensive,
Speaker 1: and so we thought we need to do something here,
Speaker 1: we need and we could do something. Uh. So amongst
Speaker 1: ourselves we were we had been working on this, led
Speaker 1: by Andrew, and then the George Floyd murder happened, and uh,
Speaker 1: what we were going to do needed to be accelerated
Speaker 1: in two ways, in time and in money. UM and
Speaker 1: that is when on June two, we made a commitment
Speaker 1: of one billion dollars a four year commitment, and that
Speaker 1: would be one billion dollars we wouldn't have otherwise spent,
Speaker 1: So we could have made it thirty billion dollars if
Speaker 1: we threw everything in that we would probably in the
Speaker 1: next four years unaffordable housing, small business, et cetera. But
Speaker 1: this was really intended to do something we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done in that time frame, and and sort of creating
Speaker 1: jump start money, if you will. So you really expanded
Speaker 1: your commitment in a very significant way and a very
Speaker 1: practical way in all of the things that the bank
Speaker 1: is doing. Seneca has one hundred women to hear. Will
Speaker 1: be back after the short break. I know you are
Speaker 1: especially proud and with good reason, of the women's programs
Speaker 1: that you have launched. I have seen that firsthand, and
Speaker 1: I think that the bank is a truly exemplary leader
Speaker 1: on these issues. Maybe you could talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what you're doing internally for your female employees and externally,
Speaker 1: because you do so much that impacts the quality of
Speaker 1: life for women, certainly for entrepreneurs and others in this
Speaker 1: country and outside of the country. Thanks for asking that first.
Speaker 1: I think it has made a difference. Brian moynahan is
Speaker 1: our CEO and is a very enlightened leader UH and
Speaker 1: in in his time as CEO and chair we have
Speaker 1: had UH roughly of the women and management are at
Speaker 1: the The executive management team have been women, about half
Speaker 1: the half the company certainly women nearly half our in management.
Speaker 1: The board is a reflection of that to now. That
Speaker 1: didn't all happen in a day, but it did happen
Speaker 1: over time. And um, you know, once you get diversity,
Speaker 1: both in terms of gender and color at the top
Speaker 1: of the house, a lot of conversations take place that
Speaker 1: weren't going to take place before. Then you know, if
Speaker 1: all women are together, what we might talk about, and
Speaker 1: if all men are together, you know what they might
Speaker 1: talk about. But when we're together, somebody says, hold on,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that, and it opens up a door
Speaker 1: that just otherwise wouldn't be open. So that was really
Speaker 1: the beginning of I think moving forward internally, and we
Speaker 1: have mentorship programs, sponsorship programs for women, we have forums
Speaker 1: and classes, and we're assigned to people or we assign
Speaker 1: ourselves and that's all worked very effectively. But I have
Speaker 1: to say, even um years ago in the late nineties,
Speaker 1: as I watched Hillary Clinton and you at her side,
Speaker 1: and the role that you played with the women of
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland in the Good Friday Agreement, it was very
Speaker 1: impressive and I remembered it. I didn't know why we
Speaker 1: could do about it, but I remembered it, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in AH in an elevated enough position,
Speaker 1: probably to do much more than know about it and
Speaker 1: do something. I was at a smaller bank. We had
Speaker 1: later been acquired by Bank of America, but anyway, I
Speaker 1: remembered all of it. And um I was on the
Speaker 1: board of the American Ireland Funds, so we had gone
Speaker 1: to Northern Ireland met with the women um subsequent to
Speaker 1: your initial foray. So I was impressed and so noted.
Speaker 1: Fast forward some years later and you were UM with
Speaker 1: the Obama administration and I think we met somewhere along
Speaker 1: the line when you were um U S Ambassador for Women.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you even remember this, but
Speaker 1: we had a meeting in California. You went through what
Speaker 1: you thought we could do, and you really pushed me.
Speaker 1: So the first thing we did is we UH had
Speaker 1: a meeting with Vital Voices. I suggested to them with
Speaker 1: I thought we could do something together. UH. Later we
Speaker 1: met with Kathy Russell at the State Department and we
Speaker 1: established the Global Ambassadors program, which your mentors UH usually
Speaker 1: from the developed world, but not always in the areas
Speaker 1: of medicine, business, government or education, meeting with women in
Speaker 1: emerging markets who had all the talent, but not all
Speaker 1: the tools. And this was one on one, a week
Speaker 1: long one on one form with help from experts, and
Speaker 1: then a forum at the end of that. And we
Speaker 1: did that all over the world. But as good as
Speaker 1: it was, we were helping dozens of women and maybe
Speaker 1: one day a hundred or two hundred women, but that's
Speaker 1: really not enough. So from there we also, while keeping
Speaker 1: that going, met with Sharie Blair to do the her
Speaker 1: her Uh Mentoring program, which is all online and was
Speaker 1: really sort of before it was deregord to do that.
Speaker 1: And the online mentoring program meant that we could have
Speaker 1: thousands of women and we've had about women that we
Speaker 1: have worked with entrepreneurs again skill building, how to ask
Speaker 1: for and get capital, a business plan, et cetera. That
Speaker 1: begot a relationship with Tory Birch, who in the United States,
Speaker 1: so the program with Shari Blair was also emerging markets.
Speaker 1: Tory Birch, who was a client, met with us to
Speaker 1: ask for some advice on women she was mentoring, and
Speaker 1: she said, you know, they all need a loan before
Speaker 1: they have any of the credentials. They don't, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't they haven't made any money. They may not
Speaker 1: have the best business plan. So we said, okay, well,
Speaker 1: we and other established banks would have a hard time
Speaker 1: giving small business loans that were totally insecure unsecured, and
Speaker 1: also probably wouldn't pass muster with the regulators. But we
Speaker 1: do provide money for community development financial institutions, who in
Speaker 1: turn at lower rates. Because we get them the money
Speaker 1: at lower rates, and because we give them philanthropic money
Speaker 1: to staff themselves, they can provide lending to these women
Speaker 1: and they can also provide um mentorship and sponsorship, I
Speaker 1: mean really helping them with business plans. And then we
Speaker 1: could step in and help too, and that has been great.
Speaker 1: We made a fifty million dollar commitments that's now a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar commitment and it's for those women at
Speaker 1: an earlier stage in there um business. So each of
Speaker 1: these has begotten yet another thing. And and UH in
Speaker 1: each case, what we're trying to do is apply what
Speaker 1: we learned from the last one and create a new opportunity.
Speaker 1: And finally, as you know better than anyone, because you
Speaker 1: helped us do it, we UM through your help and
Speaker 1: uh kim Asarelli's help, we established a program with Cornell
Speaker 1: and this is an online program that allows for a
Speaker 1: certificate at the end of it. It's a course selection
Speaker 1: and a certificate, all done online. And we've had twenty
Speaker 1: thousand women go through that, and of them have been
Speaker 1: women of color and from all over the world. So
Speaker 1: each of these has been it's been uh, you know,
Speaker 1: over time, understanding what we didn't know and building on that,
Speaker 1: and it's just been great. First of all, I hardly
Speaker 1: pushed you, and you've always been deeply committed to making
Speaker 1: a difference. I remember an event in Dublin a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago with one of the peace negotiators from
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland and she talked about what it meant to
Speaker 1: be validated and supported. Returning to the subject of COVID, an,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about women's leadership, because what
Speaker 1: we've seen in the COVID crisis is that women heads
Speaker 1: of state and heads of government have done exceptionally well
Speaker 1: in dealing with the crisis in their countries. Do you
Speaker 1: think women's leadership makes a difference, and perhaps you could
Speaker 1: talk about how that plays out in business and how
Speaker 1: in fact we might get more women into leadership. So
Speaker 1: I do think women lead differently, and I do think
Speaker 1: it's clearly made a difference in those countries that are
Speaker 1: led by women, and I think it's made a difference
Speaker 1: in businesses that have a number of women at the top,
Speaker 1: even if it isn't the CEO, because if you can
Speaker 1: get into the c suite or be in the equivalent
Speaker 1: in executive management, you're really at the table to make decisions.
Speaker 1: And I am fortunate enough to have the ability and
Speaker 1: the resources, both in people and in finances too, to
Speaker 1: have our company do a whole lot of things that
Speaker 1: I think any company could do if that's where you
Speaker 1: want to put your money. And I think women think
Speaker 1: very practically, and I think we think very holistically. If
Speaker 1: a woman or a man cannot leave their house because
Speaker 1: their child is being unsupervised, or they can't go to school,
Speaker 1: or you're sick with worried that that job isn't going
Speaker 1: to be there the next day, how can you perform
Speaker 1: well if the communities in which you work and live
Speaker 1: in your economy requires to be opera rating, So that
Speaker 1: would be the case of a bank. If small businesses
Speaker 1: aren't operating, if people aren't working, they're not putting money
Speaker 1: into a banking account, they're not paying their bills, you've
Speaker 1: got to be part of that solution. So you've got
Speaker 1: to ease the waters a little bit. You have to say,
Speaker 1: hold off on those payments. If that's going to help
Speaker 1: make some other things happen. You know, we can tack
Speaker 1: them onto the other side of thirty six months or
Speaker 1: thirty years. Those three months aren't gonna matter. They're just
Speaker 1: going to be on the back end of that. So
Speaker 1: you just think in terms of very practical things. I
Speaker 1: don't know that men don't. I just think that women
Speaker 1: always have had to do that for centuries, millenniums. We
Speaker 1: have been multitasking in the home and you know, more
Speaker 1: recently outside the home, but we couldn't shirk or shake
Speaker 1: the home requirements, and so we just think practically. And
Speaker 1: I really do think that makes the difference and makes
Speaker 1: a huge difference in a company if enough women are
Speaker 1: at the table, because you kind of go through the
Speaker 1: checklist the way you would with anything. And I don't
Speaker 1: think the men resisted. I just think it's an additive
Speaker 1: that makes a huge difference. And we've been talking about
Speaker 1: Bank of America's commitment to social and economic impact. I
Speaker 1: know you're also deeply committed to environmental sustainability. In fact,
Speaker 1: you mentioned green spaces early on. Can you talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about that. You know, the environment is much
Speaker 1: like many issues. It's it's an issue that affects everybody
Speaker 1: and in very fundamental ways, and in a way that honestly,
Speaker 1: it's always interesting in the US, it's political, But nowhere
Speaker 1: else in the world is the issue of sustainability. Um uh,
Speaker 1: reducing our carbon footprint such a problem. But in any case,
Speaker 1: just just dealing with it as as an issue at hand.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all have to be grateful to the
Speaker 1: sustainable development goals that were established out of the u
Speaker 1: N and so many countries embraced because of those seventeen
Speaker 1: Sustainable Development Goal. So many of them are affected by
Speaker 1: by the environment or or could be improved by the environment.
Speaker 1: Clean water, clean air. UH, these health issues, the reduction
Speaker 1: of asthma, the reduction of disease, the production of women
Speaker 1: and men who don't go miles to get clean water
Speaker 1: to bring it back to their homes. So like the
Speaker 1: other initiatives, you know, you wake up and you you
Speaker 1: you sort of step into these things and you think, wait,
Speaker 1: I could do that. Initially we were confronted this is
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago at a annual shareholders meeting by Sierra
Speaker 1: Club and others who said, you are doing too much
Speaker 1: in the fossil fuels, and you are allowing for fossil
Speaker 1: fuel companies, to particularly coal companies, to do mountain top sharing.
Speaker 1: And I have to say it was more ignorance than
Speaker 1: it was intent. Uh, the CEO at the time, Ken Lewis, said,
Speaker 1: UH asked me to stand up. I told the environmentalists
Speaker 1: they'd be hearing from me, and within a few weeks
Speaker 1: we were meeting. I went with them to West Virginia
Speaker 1: to look at the mountaintop sharing and its effect, and
Speaker 1: we immediately said we wouldn't do it anymore, that we
Speaker 1: would eliminate that and began a rather formidable um environmental program.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, we said that we would
Speaker 1: do twenty billion dollars of environmental business, meaning underwriting renewables
Speaker 1: of some sort, and I thought I had no idea
Speaker 1: how that would happen. But within three or four years
Speaker 1: we had done it. I mean, we got people together
Speaker 1: and we figured out how to do it. And today,
Speaker 1: just fast forward to today, we have already done a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight billion dollars of environmental business. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this is not greenwashing, this is you know, you
Speaker 1: can tick and tie this to the letter. Uh. We're
Speaker 1: the largest underwriter of green bonds, the largest UM provider
Speaker 1: of tax equity. We have done thousands of efforts in
Speaker 1: terms of energy efficiency in renewable energy, solar, wind, moving
Speaker 1: into the value of hydrogen. Our research group has published
Speaker 1: six or seven reports that are completely objective. The demonstrate
Speaker 1: that those that commit to e s G. Environmental, social
Speaker 1: and governance tenants can demonstrate that they are less apt
Speaker 1: to go bankrupt, and they operate more effectively, and they
Speaker 1: are less apt to hear, you know here negative noise
Speaker 1: from their shareholders. So there's real value here. And it's
Speaker 1: different for every kind of business. It's every it's not
Speaker 1: cookie cutter, it's uh. Packaged goods companies are really looking
Speaker 1: at their supply chain and the use of plastic and
Speaker 1: too much paper. Real estate companies are looking at energy
Speaker 1: efficiency when they're building a building or when they do
Speaker 1: a retro fit. So UM, we've really enjoyed not only
Speaker 1: benefits from doing this work, but also we have enjoyed
Speaker 1: uh profits from this work. Now we ourselves are carbon
Speaker 1: neutral and we are poised. I hope for uh, you
Speaker 1: know what I think will be a very aggressive push
Speaker 1: out of Europe with the Green Deal to get to
Speaker 1: net zero by and halfway there by, which means you
Speaker 1: had to have started by now to get to carbon neutral.
Speaker 1: And I've always known you to be positive and upbeat,
Speaker 1: and here we are talking about the COVID crisis and
Speaker 1: climate and racial injustice, so many really tough topics. What
Speaker 1: makes you optimistic? Well, I have a very simple kind
Speaker 1: of bell weather, and it's uh recognizing energy givers from
Speaker 1: energy takers. I certainly don't want to be an energy
Speaker 1: taker myself, but I'm so attracted to energy givers and
Speaker 1: they uh infused me with energy. Honestly they do. And
Speaker 1: they and thinking, so I said, years ago, you pushed
Speaker 1: me into something. Well, whether you knew it or not,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know enough about what was possible.
Speaker 1: And you have to be in the company of people
Speaker 1: that can educate you. So the ability to listen, particularly
Speaker 1: to energy evers, and then take in that information think
Speaker 1: how could I apply this? So you might not think
Speaker 1: that you had that effect, but you did have that
Speaker 1: effect because I thought, well, this is a good thing
Speaker 1: to do, and each of the things, particularly around the
Speaker 1: initiatives on women. One begot the next it was recognizing
Speaker 1: this is a good thing. But I've just met another
Speaker 1: group of women and we could do more. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to diffuse it so much that it's a
Speaker 1: thousand lights that end up to be nothing but a
Speaker 1: string of lights. I wanted to be something that becomes
Speaker 1: a true pinnacle. But but building on it, and you
Speaker 1: meet women and men that energize you, They have ideas,
Speaker 1: they challenge you. And I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I do know you feel this way that that it
Speaker 1: sort of gets you to the next day. It's it's
Speaker 1: just it's worth it. And thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us today and agreeing to do this interview. I've
Speaker 1: been privileged to know you and it's wonder ful to
Speaker 1: be able to bring your words and wisdom to our
Speaker 1: listening audience. So thank you and Fanuken, vice chair of
Speaker 1: Bank of America Global Powerhouse, and thank you too for
Speaker 1: leading the way for our country and world are a
Speaker 1: better place because of it. Thank you, Milan, and thank
Speaker 1: you for being a good friend. I appreciate it. Listening
Speaker 1: to and Finuken is so inspiring she's the true definition
Speaker 1: of leadership. There are just a few of the points
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Speaker 1: conscience lead you, you can do so much good in
Speaker 1: the world, and Finucan has done that since childhood. As
Speaker 1: she quoted from the Jesuits, conscience reigns supreme. Second, the
Speaker 1: Bank of America programs and has led are truly game changing,
Speaker 1: providing assistance during COVID, the billion dollar commitment to promote
Speaker 1: racial and economic equality, the programs for women entrepreneurs, and
Speaker 1: those to sustain the environment all impactful, all groundbreaking. Finally,
Speaker 1: and shows us that we can make a difference if
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