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Speaker 1: team and we were playing like a seven thirty eight

428
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning games where nobody was there other

429
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Speaker 1: than your your girlfriend or your your parents in the stands,

430
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: and but you hit me an opportunity to compete. But

431
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: I stayed there all day. Doug, this is the thing

432
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: that really made me and I and I tell, I

433
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: tell my my kids, and I tell when I speak

434
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: to kids, you can't expect anybody to give you anything.

435
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 1: But you have to be ready two to answer the

436
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: call and be there and always be around. And so

437
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: what I did. I got into my pickup truck and

438
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: got to the view like at seven a m. Eat

439
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: the traffic to l A and I stayed there every

440
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: single day all day and watching NBA practices and coaches

441
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: at that time they needed players to participate in practice

442
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: because guys were hurting. Guys last see me and asked

443
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: me to play. So I practiced for three or four

444
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: different NBA teams. But the head of the head of

445
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: the Summer league saw me and Larry Larry Craig, Larry Craig,

446
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: and I think, um, uh Mitchell, coach Mitchell, but Larry Larry,

447
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: they offered me to be the starting guard on the

448
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: all Star team that was playing against the Russian national

449
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: team in Atlanta. Hawks. They're kind of like the combo

450
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: team there. They were traveling around all the summer leagues

451
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: to play, and that's how I got spotted. I played,

452
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: and I played well Doc Rivers, but Webb was on

453
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: that team, and Marcelonas was on the team, and a

454
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: bunch of other players I don't I don't remember, but

455
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: I played extremely well. The next day I got an

456
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: offer to go to to VET camp with the Detroit

457
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: Pistons and Philadelphia seventy six And that changed that. That

458
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: game alone changed my career. But it was because I

459
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: stayed at the gym for like ten straight days and

460
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: they and they saw that I was watching and waiting

461
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: for my opportunity. Wow, that's that's really okay. So, um,

462
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: so this is your first year out of school. You

463
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: you play the that as back when the summer league

464
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: was at Elmy, as you point out, um, and you

465
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: end up going to camp with the city. You will

466
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: go to camp with the sixers that year. Yeah, I

467
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: went to camp with the Sixers. I thought I played

468
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: pretty good. Matt Dukas was the coach, but he thought otherwise.

469
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I didn't play well enough to even make an exhibition game.

470
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: I was cut right before the first exhibition game. And

471
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: I thought I played pretty well, but um I did not.

472
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: So back then I don't know if they did it

473
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: every team, but back then, I go to practice and

474
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: the equipment manager, Um Allen Lumpkin, who was now like

475
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: up there in the six year organization and it's actually

476
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: his son, Um works with me. Now he's one of

477
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: our video guys. So what are great little side story there?

478
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: But he calls me. He says, hey, Scott, Um, you've

479
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: just been cut. If you want to keep your practice

480
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: um gear, you can go ahead and keep it, but

481
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: you gotta go see I think her name was Mary,

482
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: the secretary. Then get your flight out. I'm like thinking

483
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: to myself, Wow, how you get cut in the NBA?

484
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: That coach doesn't even come up to you, The general

485
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: manager doesn't come up to you. Just equipment manager comes

486
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: up to say, hey, go get your flight. And so

487
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: I did. I go to the office and as I'm

488
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: leaving to jump on the van to go back to

489
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: the go to the airport. Just so happened to be,

490
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: I crossed path with the assistant coach, Jimmy Linum, and

491
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: he set me down for like five minutes and gave

492
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: me the most inspirational uh, pep talk I've ever had.

493
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: He was basically telling me, I'm gonna make the NBA.

494
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: You just gotta go to the c b A. You

495
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: gotta stick it out, you gotta play the way you play.

496
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: You gotta continue to play with toughness. You will be

497
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: back and trust me, it will be sooner than you think.

498
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: And so I went to the c b A and

499
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: I played. I never got picked up. And wait, so

500
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: so wait, wait, hold on, let's let's sw down because

501
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: it's a great story. Okay. Um, so, so you go

502
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: to Albany. Was Albany your first choice? That your only choice?

503
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: You got to play for Bill Musselman, who um his

504
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: son obviously is doing a great job as coach in Nevada.

505
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: He's been a head coach at with the Sacramento King,

506
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: has been assistant all over and Bill Musselman is one

507
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: of the original fanatics. Um and he was who was

508
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: also a head coach of the Tea of the Timberwolves.

509
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: Like he's like Bill Musselman was crazy. He was a

510
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: great coach, but he was crazy. But for people who

511
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: don't know, like, look, and I mean this in all uh,

512
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: I mean this is a compliment, Like you were a

513
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: dick to play against, like you would want to like

514
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: in a in a pickup game, and I was a kid,

515
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: you would want to you. You would in fact lighten

516
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: me up just to and like, okay, so this this

517
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: We'll get to the story in a second, the pickup

518
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: ball story. But they were you. There was this always

519
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: your persona. Was it established when Jimmy Lyneham sat you down, like, look,

520
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it, but you gotta be kind of

521
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: an a hold to do it. How to take me through?

522
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: Go ahead? I mean, I'll tell you if I think

523
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot is goes back to my childhood, I wouldn't

524
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: change anything. I mean I was definitely did not have

525
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: did not know that at that point. I did not

526
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: know we had no money. I didn't know we were welfare.

527
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know that nobody else was not living the

528
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: same way we were living. Um we've lived. I mean,

529
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: there was not a lot of you know I was.

530
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: There was not a lot of I guess wealth are

531
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: not a lot of money in the in the whole

532
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: entire area. But it made me, It gave me everything

533
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: that I have in my belly to make it. I

534
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: knew I was going to make it. And I refused

535
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: to be pigeonholed in being called something that I knew

536
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: that I was not. That wasn't me. I didn't want

537
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: to be that way. So I always felt that I

538
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: had to fight for everything. And and I always felt,

539
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: you know, once you're the competition, it's a fight. You

540
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes within the rules to win. And

541
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: I refused to play any other way. And that's how

542
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: I was brought up. And you know, like I said,

543
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: my mom raised me that way. I fought. I've been

544
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: in many fights, and I did a lot of things

545
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: I should never did as a young kid. But it

546
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: all changed. I go back to this eighth grade graduation

547
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: June nine. It changed. I told myself that night that

548
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: I will be in the n b A and I

549
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: will make something out of my life. And I'm not

550
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna let anybody tell me anything different. And I've been

551
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: told a lot. I've been told then you look like

552
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be checking groceries, You're gonna be you know,

553
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: driving ups. Not that there's nothing wrong with that, but

554
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I felt that I was good enough to be an

555
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: NBA player. I don't know how you wait, by the

556
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: way you you know you do. Do you glossed over

557
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: that with your childhood? Like that's a great like how

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: in the because I had I had the exact seeing

559
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of vision and dream and I have it written down. Um,

560
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: my freshman year at test in high school, we had

561
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: to get an apartment and um because because I grew

562
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: up in but the Almadina district and my brother you know,

563
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: played some point played some too. Almadina was kind of

564
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: a nothing high school, like basically like Robbie Gordon was

565
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: from there and who was a race car driver. And

566
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: outside of that, like, uh, you know, up until now

567
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: we're Freddie Freeman, who's an All star baseball player. No

568
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: one really came out of Almadina and so especially basketball.

569
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: So I stay back in eighth grade, all I want

570
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: to do is be a basketball player. My dad having

571
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: notebook and he's like, I want you to write down

572
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: your goals, and I wrote, I want to play in college.

573
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I want to play in college basketball, playing the Final Four.

574
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: I want play in the NBA. And then he was like, great,

575
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: those are goals. Now like the rest of the notebook,

576
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna fill up with what you're gonna do, all

577
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: the things you're gonna do in order to get there.

578
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: But like eighth grade, without a dad, without kind of guidance,

579
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: how did you come to the how did you come

580
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: to your own mind that I'm gonna play in the

581
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: NBA no matter what anybody says? Well, you know, like I,

582
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: that goes back I've had great mentors alone the one

583
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: and it goes back to my mom. I remember using

584
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: the word I can't, I won't. I can't make the

585
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: NBA and she said what I said, Well, I can't

586
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: make them like so much bigger than me and faster

587
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and athletic, and she said, okay, that's fine. Um see

588
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: this these um like it was like ten pieces of paper,

589
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, front and back line paper, and she said,

590
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: I want you to do me a favor and right

591
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: on every line front and I called ten pages. I can't.

592
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: It's not a word. And so I had to do

593
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: that printed out and she said I needed pleasurable. I

594
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: needed printed out neatly and take your time. It's not

595
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: a rush thing. And I and I took the heart

596
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: to that. And I really believe kent is not a word.

597
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: If you make it a word, it's gonna be it's

598
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty predominant in your life. But I refused

599
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: to look at that word and say it's gonna be me.

600
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let that word define me. And I

601
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: just felt that, you know what, everybody has to put

602
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: on the shoes the same way, why can't I put

603
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: on it the same way as an NBA player does?

604
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: And I just felt that, you know, I have to

605
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: to earn it. Nobody was going to give it to me,

606
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: and I have to exhaust every opportunity and physically and

607
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: mentally challenging myself every day. And that just goes back,

608
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, going into CBA Musselman coach, Musselman challenge you

609
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: not only physically, he challenged mentally. There's a line you

610
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: got a cross as a coach, and now that I know,

611
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: you try to cross that, and you try to cross

612
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the physical line occasionally, and then you've got to go

613
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: to the mental line, and then some days you got

614
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: to do both. Uh. Muscleman, he did both every day

615
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: as if it was Game seven of an NBA Finals,

616
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: and he treated every way everybody that way, and it

617
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: really it really moded me. I really give him a

618
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of credit. Man. I twisted my ankle so badly.

619
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: He's like his name was boot Bond, What a great name,

620
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: and he was, I mean, good player, and I'm twenty

621
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: two years old. I twisted my ankle soapen on. The

622
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: thing blew up like a balloon. And I remember leaving

623
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: in the second quarter, going downstairs in the old armory

624
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: and I had to use the restroom so bad. And

625
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: back then you using the restroom with the fans, and

626
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: it was like using the urinal and then the fans

627
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: are looking at me and say, hey, hey, Scott, good

628
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: game around. You're back for the second half. Like going

629
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: to the locker room, we have no trainers there. I'm

630
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: looking at my ankle. Oh my god, am I gonna

631
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: do so at halftime, like the fire chief comes in

632
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: and you know he's he's he's like the trainer. I

633
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: think his name is Jack. Uh. So he comes in

634
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: and looked at my ankle. He said, no, there's no way,

635
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: there's absolutely there's no way you can play. So uh

636
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: Coach Musman was doing this talk and just gloss over

637
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: me and he said all right. I said, I'm like

638
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: like at that point, like stuttering, like I don't know,

639
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm nervous because he's about to stream at me.

640
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't And then then he said, okay, I'll tell

641
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: you you can't play. Make sure you go to our

642
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: secretary tomorrow morning, get a flight back to California. And

643
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm like what I said, No, no, no, no, no

644
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: no no no no, I'm good, coach. I'm going to play.

645
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: So I tied that thing up so tight and ended

646
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: up playing in the second half. I to this day,

647
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how I played. I wish I could

648
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: somehow get video tape of that because I was dragging

649
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: that leg all on. But I didn't want to get cut.

650
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: I know this is my chance and I cannot, uh

651
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: let it be blown away with just the twisted ankle.

652
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: All right, see are you did you guys get married?

653
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Were you guys married at this point? Um? No, we

654
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: we were not married, but we were. I mean it

655
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: was going that direction my wife and I at that time,

656
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I, Uh, it was somebody that I

657
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: knew that I want to spend my rest of my

658
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: life with. But was she came out and and stayed

659
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: with me. You know, Albany And at that time my

660
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: first contract in Albany was one year, non guaranteed. We

661
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: do actually day to day with muscleman, no playing a

662
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: play contracts the possession. But how much how much? And

663
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: then what was did you guys get pretty? M she?

664
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean pretty was probably pre dym Basically it was

665
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: just enough money to go to like uh, I don't know.

666
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: You went the Scisslers because they had all you can

667
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: eat lunch and the take take something, take some home

668
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: with you through the dinner and then take some home

669
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, or we did this in high school

670
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: and I did it when I was in the U S.

671
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: When I was in the USB L, we would do

672
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: it too. We have like twenty dollars a day. When

673
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: I was in the A B A it was twenty

674
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: dollars a day as well, and we did the scissor thing.

675
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Or then we do you know, like one dude would

676
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: pay and other guys that sit at the table in

677
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: order to save money. So uh so you get down

678
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: you're on the all rookie team. Didn't you go play

679
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: in like Fresno and some other random league? Yes, it

680
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: was that was the ended up being a WBL DOT

681
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: the league that your dad was gonna be a part of.

682
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's actually made it or they maybe

683
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: merged with the WBL. In the World Basketball League, it

684
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: was the same concept six four and under, and I

685
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: was playing with the Fresnel team played their summer It

686
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: was like a fifty game, fifty four game three months

687
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: in the summer league. And it was funny that the

688
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: same guys, the same guys that I was playing in

689
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: the c b A, that they were listed at six

690
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: trying to make an NBA key somehow, some way they

691
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: shrunk the sixth four in the summer to play in

692
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: the six league. But which was you had to do it?

693
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean there was no money in the c b

694
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: A and and that league paid. They paid twenty tho

695
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: dollars per player. I think every player got the same

696
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: amount of money. Uh. In a shocker, in a shocking development,

697
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: that league did not last stay around all that long. Um, okay,

698
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: so then how'd you make the six How do you

699
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: how do you make the six ers the next year?

700
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Did you go back through the summer league thing? Or no,

701
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: you're playing in the w BL. So there was no

702
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: summer league, There was no summer league. But um, Jimmy

703
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: line them ends up taking over for Maddie Bukis. Philadelphia

704
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: becomes the head coach, and so he calls me up,

705
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: and coincidental, Detroit calls me up. The same two teams

706
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: that wanted to bring me in last year. So, uh,

707
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: he calls me up, and you know they there. He said,

708
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: they're looking for a backup point guard. They got Mo

709
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Cheeks as a starter in general I understand, which is

710
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: like a combo guard gate and they're thinking about some

711
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: other guys overseas, and and I say, okay, that's great.

712
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: But Detroit calls me up. Jack Klefsky was the generalman.

713
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: She tells me Siah Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Denny Johnson

714
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: were the guards and they were looking for a backup

715
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: point guard. And it's gonna be between Mike Williams from

716
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: Baylor and myself, and we were going to go in

717
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: both with the same non guarantee contract one year, like

718
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: non guaranteed, like seventy five thousand. I said great, So

719
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: I committed to him. I said perfect. I know, you know,

720
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: just give me a chance and I'm gonna do my best,

721
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: and that's all I wanted. So I felt that that

722
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: was gonna They're gonna give me a great opportunity to

723
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: be a backup to Isaiah. So Jimmy Lennon ends up

724
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: calling me. He says, Scott, no, they're not telling you.

725
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: They're not being um up front with you. Um, it's

726
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: not going to be an even deal. Mike Williams has

727
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: like a three year guaranteed, like three hundred thousand a year,

728
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, no, I talked to I talked

729
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: to my agent, talked to him. They saidn't. I went

730
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: back and forth, but finally Jimmy calls me once again,

731
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: like that was night before I was going to fly out.

732
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: He said, Scott, I'm gonna tell you this, and I

733
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't tell you this, but I'm gonna tell you.

734
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: It's just like if I was your dad, I would

735
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: tell you not to come to Philadelphia. I'm not guaranteeing

736
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: you a spot, but you have a chance. Detroit, you

737
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: have no chance. They're not going to cut a player

738
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna be guaranteed for three years. Not gonna do it.

739
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, perfect, I'm there. Flow out the

740
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: next day. Yeah. Fast forward during training camp and I'd

741
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: have a great training camp, play well in exhibition. Backing

742
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: up Maurice's cheeks, pressuring him up and down the court.

743
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: He's doing the same to me. We're not backing down

744
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: from each other. They like, they like what they saw,

745
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: and they offered me the job. So I ended up

746
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: making the team. But it was because of Jimmy Lina

747
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: showed and gave me great advice. I mean, he was

748
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: more than a coach and still is more than a

749
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: coach to this day. But thankful for him. He made

750
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: that last call to tell me, do not go there.

751
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: There's no chance to make the team there. Okay, So

752
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: here here's what if if you can, and if you

753
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: can kind of shake your memory. Um, who what was

754
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: a call like or what was the office visit like

755
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: when they told you they were keeping you? Well, this

756
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: is interesting. Um, I had a non guarantee like seventy

757
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: five thousand, and it wasn't it wasn't gonna be guaranteed

758
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: until like December. That was the that was the guaranteed day.

759
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: Thank goodness they changed that to like January ten, because

760
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of unhappy families right around that time

761
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: because you were going to get cut because they didn't

762
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: want to guarantee of the year. But I get the

763
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: call from John Nash. He calls me, and he says,

764
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: come down, um, come down to the office. In the

765
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: office was like right under the old Eagles football stadium.

766
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: And so I go to the office and you know,

767
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: as a twenty three year old kid, it's intimidating. So

768
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: I go into his office. I mean it's big death

769
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: would death. I'm sure you know, high end Mahogany or

770
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: so he or whatever it would, but it was. I

771
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: still remember that desk and it was like John Nash

772
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: was on the other side of shaking from thinking. Okay,

773
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna make the team. They kind of

774
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: told me I was on the team, Barkley told me.

775
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Now the general managers talking to me. So he says, hey,

776
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: you're going to make the team. Congratulations. What we want

777
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: to do is we want to give you. We want

778
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: to rip up your contract and give you a new contract.

779
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what this is like, way too good to

780
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: be true. So he says, here's what we're gonna do.

781
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna guarantee you dollars this year and then give

782
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: you like a hundred thousand next year, non guaranteed. And

783
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: he says, just sign this, and I said, well, um,

784
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not comfortable. Signing it, and he's kind

785
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: of like taking take him back, and he's like startled.

786
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: He said, well, wait a minute, what do you mean?

787
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: He said, you need to call your agent, he said,

788
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: but I'll leave the room call your agents. So I

789
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: end up calling my agent, Frank cata Panel. I give

790
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: him the scenario and what just the place, and he says, well,

791
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: you need to sign it. I said, because that's guarantee.

792
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: You know some teams they don't take that lightly. They'll

793
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: end up giving you, give you the benefits of the

794
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: doubt to keep you. I said, thank. I just don't

795
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: want to commit to him for two years. Next year

796
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: is non guaranteed. And that's and I said, I don't

797
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. I just so I just stay with my

798
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: normal contract. If I'm good enough to make it, I'm

799
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: going to stay on the team. If I'm not, I'm

800
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: not going to be on the team. It's simple. In

801
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: my eyes. I was real. I don't know, I was real,

802
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: black and white. It was either I'm on it or

803
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. Just you know, let me know. So I

804
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: I called Mr Nash back in. I tell him when

805
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to deer and he says, wow, are you sure?

806
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: He says, we're looking at We're looking at um a

807
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: guy that is playing overseas right now, but we're gonna

808
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: bring him in. I think I can remember the name.

809
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: I think was Dave Henderson played the dude. And he says,

810
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: he's really a good guard, the common guard. He can

811
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: play a little bit of point of six five and

812
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna guarantee him like fifty dollars and

813
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, you might not be able to match that.

814
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: And if if you don't play well enough, you sure

815
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: you don't want to sign this? I said no, and

816
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: I just so I looked him run the I said,

817
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: if he deserves to make the team, over me, I

818
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: think he should be on the team. Over me. I said,

819
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: I don't deserve to be on the team, but I'm

820
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: very comfortable with my contract and I'm very happy with

821
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: the opportunity I'm giving. I shook his hand and then

822
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: immediately I give it was like the funny we still

823
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: ask that this all the time when we see each other.

824
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: He shook my hand. He just said, you know what, Scott,

825
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: you just made yourself a lot of money. Congratulations, And

826
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: then I walked out of in that plane. You know

827
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: over you know, over a decade. Okay, wait wait do

828
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: you you also that year you started six games, so

829
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: among the things like, look, everybody dreams of playing in

830
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs and winning a championship, and even you know,

831
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: my whole dream was like, look, I just all I

832
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: really wanted was to play one game in the NBA,

833
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: but to have your name announced. And remember this is

834
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: the six Ers. You guys, no only had more cheeks,

835
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is Barkley in the height of Barkley's powers.

836
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: This is a game. People forget that that Chuck And

837
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Chuck in a minute,

838
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: about how he was a freak athlete, Like everybody think

839
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: it's just roly poly round mound rebound, but he was

840
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: an incredible athlete. But anyway, um, do you remember what

841
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: it was like the first time your name is called

842
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: starting point guard for the Philadelphia seventies six Ers, Scotty Brooks,

843
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I remember it. And it was just,

844
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, everybody in my position to all you all,

845
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: we all said, all I wanna do is just get

846
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: in a one up game or a preseason game and

847
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: getting just playing a game. Be able to do that.

848
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, I played for over a decade in the

849
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: NBA and I only started six games. And I don't

850
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: know if I was unlucky that I only started six games,

851
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: but I look at it. I was. Some people say

852
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: I was unlucky because you know, sooner or later starting

853
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: point guard is gonna get hurt for a month or

854
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: two and he's gonna you know, you're gonna get an

855
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to start. But I never looked at it that way.

856
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I looked at it. I was on the team, and

857
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: I was always about the team. But when I started,

858
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: and it was such a sure. Really, I don't I

859
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: don't know what we end up being. I think for

860
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: five and one or four locked the game before that

861
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: Murry chiefs, I think he separated his shoulder a little bit.

862
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: Uh so I played the game before that. But playing

863
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: alone with Barkley, I mean we can go, we can

864
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: go to day. This podcast can last for an hour

865
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: strength just talking about team. But what an amazing teammate

866
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: in person that I'm so fortunate to be able to

867
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: call a teammate for two seasons? What what about him? What?

868
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: What do what do people not know about Charles Barkley

869
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: that you know the most generous person, the most giving

870
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: the person I've ever been around, I mean constantly. And

871
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: he was normal rightfully so as a you know, a

872
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: tough guy, a badass, and he had this he had

873
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: this way about him that you know, you don't mess

874
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: with him. He was strong, he was quick, he was athletic.

875
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: He was a freak of nature. I mean he's six

876
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: five maybe uh toft to sixty good days, but extremely

877
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: gifted in athleticism and in brains. He just had a

878
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: high i Q. But didn't you realize that he was

879
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: always given and he was always I mean, there are

880
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: so many stories that just constantly. I played golf with

881
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: him one day, and that was a treat. I mean,

882
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: just to see him play in person. It was like

883
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: so strange because so athletic he is, and then he

884
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 1: can't play golf, but he loved it. And it didn't

885
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: even bother him that he wasn't very good. When you

886
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: when he's on the golf course, for some reason, the

887
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: whole community finds out. And I don't know if it's

888
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: the it's the starter, I don't know if it's the

889
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: range guy. I don't know if it's shut. But we turned.

890
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: We just finished nine and we're about turning the corner.

891
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And I would say, I would say there was a

892
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty kids waiting for us, part for not

893
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: for Charles just so upen to be in his cart,

894
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: and he spent I would say, he spent I don't know,

895
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes talking to these kids about education, about

896
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: doing the right things, about playing the right way. And

897
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking to myself, one, I want

898
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: to keep kicking your butt, so let's get to number ten.

899
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: But I wanted to just stay in the moment because

900
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: this guy was just like spewing out just great information

901
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: and tidbit. But as a young player, for me to

902
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: see that, to see him give back to the community,

903
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: it was great to see what a great role model

904
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: for me. And it's funny he has the commercial not

905
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: a role model, but he he was a great rule

906
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: model for me. Did crazy things, He did dumb things,

907
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: and he would regret like we all do, but you know,

908
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: but he he had a heart of a champion and

909
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: a heart of you know, like I've never seen a

910
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: player at ha UM that your first year, you guys

911
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: lost the bulls in five games. And when I was

912
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: getting ready, when you when you say you do this

913
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: with me. I just I wanted to look up some

914
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: stuff and this was Michael Jordan's not these are Barkley

915
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: had twenty rebounds, nineteen rebounds, twenty rebounds. Jordan had thirty

916
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: nine and thirty seven. What was what was Michael Jordan's

917
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: like to be on the other side, you know? And

918
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And I swear I saw he owned scored

919
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: in the first in the last eight minutes. It just

920
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: seems like he was, you know, just offensively, just sewing

921
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: out the game in the middle, in the middle part

922
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: of the game, but start the game. He set the

923
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: tone and obviously the game incredible. I mean, you can

924
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: argue he's the best player, and some people don't think

925
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: it would argument. The guy was the best offensive player

926
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: and the best defensive player all in the same and

927
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: he was that way for over a decade. It was

928
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: it was just I guess he could easily been m

929
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: v P every single year. I mean, what's a what's

930
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: an off year from him? Okay, average twenty nine this

931
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: year instead of thirty three. But he he had he

932
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: had shots that you didn't make a miss. He missed.

933
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: It was him. He elevated way over you. He was

934
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: stronger than most guys six six to ten or whatever,

935
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: how many towns he weighs. He just had this wiry

936
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: straint and you know, as being a point guard against him,

937
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: you got Scottie Pippen denying on the left side, and

938
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: you've got Michael Jordan denying on the right side. And

939
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: that's hard to make just simple simple, you know, passes

940
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: to the right or left that you were always like, okay, okay,

941
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: I see him. I know he's gonna still and he

942
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: steals it. And but just incredible just to be on

943
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: that court. That playoff series, to me was watching greatness

944
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: and I've never I don't know if anybody's had those

945
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: type of moments that that many games so consistently as

946
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: he played that that series. Um okay, So so what

947
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: was if you had to pick out the flaw to

948
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: to Barkley, because I think Barkley, now, you know, there's

949
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: some people say, you know, some some guys games, I

950
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: don't know how some of the bigs would translate to now.

951
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Barkley I think would translate now because athletically, especially in

952
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: his prime, he could guard all those positions. But did

953
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: he like then the knock on Barkley I had always

954
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: heard was like he never was really bought into defense

955
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: is good and he even though he could be a

956
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: great rebounder and obviously a phenomenal score, was it was

957
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: his defense was the shooting? What was what was it

958
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: that held Chuck back from being just that notch below? Well,

959
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: you know the to me, there's so many opinions and knocks,

960
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: and you know about Charles defense in this and that

961
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: the biggest knock that he was playing in the East

962
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: against Jordan's and there was a lot of and then

963
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: part of that it was Boston. There's a lot of

964
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: good teams and you know there's a lot of great

965
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: players that couldn't get by them, just like the East.

966
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: Now you know the UH was Lebron eight straight years.

967
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: It's some some guys that you just can't get by.

968
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: In Jordan's you couldn't get by them. He's just he

969
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: was dominant. But I mean, if I would say one

970
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: thing on the court, I mean, remember Detector, he wasn't

971
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: six five, he's gonna do. He competed. I don't think

972
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: we never had the defense of inside presence, especially back

973
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: in the late eighties and eighties and nineties were defense

974
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: for sure. Wins championship said it would you had to

975
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: protect the pain. You got to protect them. You were

976
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: you're basically playing football back then, So that was that

977
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: was a knock on him. But I'll tell you, he

978
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: in the league and he can shore on any uh

979
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: he had. He had a great sense of the four,

980
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: He had a great eye for passing, and he always

981
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: made some great decisions. And like I said, I I

982
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyed every game playing with him. Had happened to

983
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: have lived with him for two months and at his house,

984
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: and that was also interesting. Will treat him that were

985
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we're burying the lead. Why did you

986
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: live with Charles Barkley? Well, you know what, I thought

987
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: he would just be a nice guy. I thought he

988
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: was being really generous, which he is. I'm like, it's cool.

989
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: He's reminded me over and I'm living with you. Um

990
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: and I stayed there till about December. I don't know,

991
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: but have the conversation. How the conversation, wait, wait, how

992
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: the conversation goes that you came to live with Barkley? Well,

993
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: he just it was not even a conversation. She said,

994
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: you're living with me. I'm like, okay, great. So I

995
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: remember back then they had these like phone cars, cards, cards,

996
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: like whatever it was, and that's how you made a

997
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: long distance calls. I'm calling my mom. I said, you're

998
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: not gonna believe this. Not only am I going to

999
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: make the team, I'm gonna live with Charles Barkley. And

1000
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: she says, oh you want that. That's like a it's

1001
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to be under his wings. But so

1002
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: I lived with him. It was like no choice. But

1003
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: as it turns out, and this is even the story better,

1004
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: I was about to sign a release for some reason.

1005
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: I can remember these partners like Lincoln Green Apartments right

1006
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: all right on City Line Avenue in balachan Wood area

1007
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, right behind the Fridays. I was about to

1008
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: sign the lease um for like six months and once

1009
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: you saw, at least you're stuck with it. So Charles

1010
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: knew that I had a great chance and not to

1011
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: stick past the December deadline. So he did not want

1012
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: me to commit to at lease and sign for six

1013
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: months and be stuck with it for you know, four

1014
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: and a half five months after they cut me. So

1015
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: but he never told me that until after and I

1016
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: can remember and he only he could say in these

1017
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: colorful ways, and I cannot tell you are saying over this,

1018
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: but basically in a PG version, buck ahead. You think

1019
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: I really wanted to have this California kid live with

1020
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: me twenty three years in my house. No, I didn't

1021
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: because I didn't want you to pay thousand dollars a

1022
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: month for sixte I knew you were going to make

1023
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: a team. That's why I brought you in. But what

1024
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: a great guy, what a great story, what a great roommate.

1025
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: My god, we had. We had the time of my life.

1026
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: And he loved to go out and he loved to

1027
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: have fun, and so good with the public. I've never seen,

1028
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: never seen a superstar so generous with his time with

1029
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: the public. I mean, dinner, come up to us. I

1030
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: mean it was almost amazing. No, no, he he know,

1031
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: he's I mean I worked with him when I was

1032
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: at CBS, and you know, even even now that we

1033
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: don't work together, like any time with him, like Doug,

1034
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: you're coming with me and kind of the same thing,

1035
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: and you just you're like, you're just my wife. Here's

1036
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: here's my my story with with Chuck. So the first

1037
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: final four I do with him. Um, you know, we

1038
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: were we we worked together one weekend in studio and

1039
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: I had we had kind of a mutual friend and

1040
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: I knew him a little bit and then I name

1041
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: dropped you, like, yeah, I grew up, you know, in

1042
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: the shadow of Scotty Brooks. And so automatically I was

1043
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: good with him. And so we go to the final

1044
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: ford Is in Atlanta, and he has a place, it's

1045
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: like a condo in the Four Seasons in Atlanta, it's

1046
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: like a condo for when he works at Turner. It's

1047
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: right across from Turnia. So we get done at the

1048
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: at the George Dome and we I had, you know,

1049
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: the Turner guys, they don't meet. They're like, we're not meeting.

1050
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: And so I worked for CBS, even though it was

1051
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: a Turner type broadcast, so they're like, well they're not.

1052
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: They don't have Kenny and Charles the net to be here,

1053
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: but you and Clark and Greg and Greg Anthony's with

1054
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: this time. You guys need to be here like nine

1055
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: o'clock and the games don't start until, you know, like

1056
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: the afternoon, So we're literally at the Dome all day.

1057
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: So we get done then we do like an hour

1058
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: and a half or two hour post game, and I'm

1059
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm wrecked, you know. It's like I'm I'm a little

1060
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: on edge my first Final four plus I'm working on

1061
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. And so I get I get done, and

1062
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: it's like eleven. He's like, hey, you and your wife,

1063
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: you're coming out with us? And I was like, okay,

1064
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: that's that's great. So we go and we're like, they

1065
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: all they have town car sporce and he like tells

1066
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: the town car guy like they are not allowed to

1067
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to take them to their hotel, bring

1068
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: them to the Four Seasons at the bar. So like,

1069
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: all right, we're going out with Charles Barkley, you know.

1070
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: And and the idea like how many times in your

1071
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: life is Charles Barkley getting a man? Do you go

1072
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: out with him? So we go to the we go

1073
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: to Four Seasons and um, my wife is not much

1074
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: of a drinker, but she was. Don't know we were,

1075
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, Charles picks up everybody's tab literally, and so

1076
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: he says, young lady, what do you what would you like?

1077
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: And she's like I'm fine, Chuck already have a drink.

1078
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: He said, no, no no, no, What's what's your favorite drink

1079
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: in the whole world? And so um, I said, chuck.

1080
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: She likes she's you know, she's from up she she

1081
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: grew up in a in a trailer, but she has

1082
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: high dollar taste. She likes she likes champagne. And he's like,

1083
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: he's like, no problem, what is your favorite champagne? And

1084
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: she's just like, you know, I'll take whatever, don't worry

1085
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: about it. I was like, that's not being honest. So

1086
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: we had a we had a friend who what's the

1087
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: really chrystal. We had a friend who, uh, they would

1088
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: they would send us a bottle of Chrystal every year,

1089
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: and she and I would have it like our anniversary.

1090
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I was like, she likes Crystal. It's like, no problem,

1091
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: is like Chrystal for the league. So we're having Crystal,

1092
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like one o'clock or one thirty.

1093
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: They shut down the bar, and so Angie and I

1094
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: were like looking at our watches and we don't have

1095
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: our no kids with us, and so he's like, all right,

1096
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: we're going upstairs. So now everybody goes up to goes

1097
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: up to his apartment. And so we've been there for

1098
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: a couple of hours we've been talking. He walks into

1099
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: the door. He walks right to the frigerator. And remember

1100
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: there's like forty people in this traveling circus following around

1101
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. Um, and he goes right to the fridge

1102
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: and and he goes and he gets a bottle of

1103
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: crystal and hands it to my wife and he says,

1104
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: I know this is your favorite, and have as much

1105
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: as you'd like. You know, we have, we got more

1106
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: where that came from. Like that's just he's unbelievable. Like

1107
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: there's and you know how it is like when he's

1108
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: sitting there, not only are thirty people going up with him,

1109
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: but there's hundreds of people stopping by, taking pictures, shaking

1110
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: hands whatever. You know, he probably went through meeting five

1111
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: hundred people in the last couple of hours. And yet

1112
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: his first thought when he walks in the door was

1113
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: this guy I worked with once, I'm gonna get his

1114
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: wife a bottle of champagne because I know that's the

1115
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: one he likes. It's I've never seen I've never seen

1116
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: any I've never experienced anything like that. And you know what,

1117
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: it's all the time, and I I can say every

1118
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: day he would make He would make more money than

1119
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: he will ever need if he just had a reality

1120
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: show follow him or cameras follow him every single day.

1121
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: The guy is so he is such a people person.

1122
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Thousands of stories that my friends said, Hey, I'm friends

1123
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: with Scott Brooks. All of a sudden, they're hanging with

1124
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: him for three straight hours and they can't believe it.

1125
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: I said, well, he's like that with everyone. I remember

1126
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: the first time we play the Lakers. We fly from

1127
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: Philadelphia play the Lakers, and all my college teammates they

1128
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: to not wait. I mean, for obviously we're playing. I'm

1129
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: playing on the Sixers and we're playing against Lakers, and

1130
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: got Magic Johnson, You've got Jabar, You've got one of

1131
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: the Kurrambis. Byron's got all these great players. And we're playing.

1132
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: And so I go upstairs the shower and get and

1133
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: they get dressed to meet all my buddies in the

1134
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: in the lobby. So it's like, you know, thirty minutes later,

1135
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: so they're already hanging with Charles, and then and then

1136
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: and then and then the next thing I know, I

1137
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: walked down and now Charles and they are having like

1138
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: back then w w F was like our w W

1139
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: whatever the wrestling thing was. It was huge back then.

1140
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: So they're having in the middle of the hotel lobby

1141
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: like a grastling matches with all my college come in

1142
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: in Berkley. They're like wrastling each other. I'm like, what

1143
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: do you guys do me? He said, Nah, just started

1144
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: sucking trashing. They were drinking beers and all of a sudden,

1145
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: the best wrestling all of a suden Ral said, I'm

1146
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: the best and he started raffling that some of my

1147
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: college teammates. I mean, the guy is so fun to

1148
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: be around. I love them, love them. Okay, so then

1149
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: you go to you go to Houston your second year.

1150
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: You guys you know you want you guys want a championship.

1151
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: What was dream like? You know what? M h incredible.

1152
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: I swear he didn't miss a shot in the entire

1153
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of every game the year we wanted a

1154
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: ninety four. Just incredible. He had so much confidence, so

1155
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: much uh faith in his teammates and he but he

1156
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: you know what, he knew. He put you in your place.

1157
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: He wanted you to keep it simple and simple with

1158
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: him was give me the ball, and it was it

1159
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: was it was so simple, but it was so affective.

1160
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: That's why I played a little in the fourth quarter

1161
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: because we we throw the ball into him, and I

1162
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: was smart enough, you know what we want, an offense

1163
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: will give it to him. And he said, throw the

1164
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: ball to me. I score if they doubled him me,

1165
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: I passed. You get an open shot. If they don't,

1166
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: I score or get one. And want to get easy game.

1167
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: Let's keep it easy. We don't have to do anything else.

1168
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: And we did that. I mean, he he can that guy.

1169
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: I swear he never fell. He never said he had

1170
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: like the he's like a cat. It's such great Allen's

1171
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: he's he's like almost like a guy that was six

1172
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: one but seven ft tall. Yeah, that much agility and

1173
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: athleticism and just a great teammate. Just like when he

1174
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: spoken wasn't often. It was like if Hutton, you stopped

1175
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: whatever you didn't and you listen because when he was speaking,

1176
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: you knew either you did something wrong or something incredible

1177
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: is about to happen. And he stepped up every single night.

1178
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: What what's what's that feeling like of winning a championship?

1179
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: You didn't get to win one. Uh in junior college

1180
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: as you point out you didn't win one in high school,

1181
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: you didn't win didn't get the n C A term

1182
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: and win a PC double A. Even when you're at

1183
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: u C your vine. You guys, didn't you know you

1184
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: couldn't get past the bulls with the sixers. You go

1185
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: to the Rockets in your second year, you win a championship.

1186
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: You win NBA championship. Considering all the people that I

1187
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: told you you wouldn't make it since eighth grade, and

1188
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: now you had made it, you'd started games, you'd stuck

1189
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: your NBA veteran. But to win a championship, what's that like, Doug?

1190
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: Nothing like it? You play. You play competitive sports too,

1191
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: to be the last team standing, And I've never been

1192
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: in that position. Um, and it's very difficult. You know.

1193
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: You see some of these players that won multiple championships,

1194
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean they are so blessed and and lucky to

1195
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: be on a team. But I was on that team

1196
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: that good to win one year. Man, to this day,

1197
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: I have a picture after the after the game Game

1198
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: seven in Houston. Um, We're at this restaurant and the

1199
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: picture of my wife and I with the championship had on.

1200
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: She's not a big drinker and a big drinker. But

1201
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: we were having some champagne and you can see my

1202
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: eyes that I was. I was feeling pretty good. But

1203
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: to this day I have it on my on my

1204
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: desk at home, passed by it all the time time,

1205
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: and it just gives me great memory. Said, you know,

1206
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: you shrived to be and you want to be the

1207
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: best team. Nobody could never she wasn't even near the

1208
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: best player um on in the league, on the team

1209
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: or ever, you know, but I was on the best

1210
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: team in and they can never take that away from me.

1211
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: And it's something that I will always cherish. And what

1212
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: a great experience to me, the first team ever of

1213
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: all the major sports in Houston to win a championship.

1214
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: That team really, that city just took us in like

1215
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: I've never been taken in before. What a great time.

1216
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to get back there. I was

1217
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: there pretty close as a as a coach with Oklahoma,

1218
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: but not quite. But it would be a great honor

1219
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: and an opportunity to get back there again. Okay, so

1220
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: after you got done, so um, you know you didn't

1221
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: you got what was? You got traded to Dallas right

1222
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: mid year the following year, So you didn't play in

1223
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: the back to back correct not only not only made year,

1224
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: but mid game at half time that was put in

1225
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: a wait what yeah, at halftime we were playing at

1226
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: halftime the day the trade deadline back then was like

1227
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like eight o'clock Eastern time, and

1228
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: so there's you know, every every trade deadline, players think, Okay,

1229
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: this could be the day I'm getting traded. But I

1230
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: remember I was told that day, don't worry about it.

1231
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: You're not getting traded because my name was thrown out

1232
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: there because I was down. The sale came on and

1233
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: he was obviously really really really a good player and

1234
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: and deserved the play over me. Um, but I knew

1235
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: that I had a chance that they told me that

1236
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: day that I wasn't getting traded. So so during the

1237
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: game after then the first after the like the first quarter,

1238
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: biddle of the second quarter, I'm looking up to my

1239
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: to my wife and she's in the stands right behind

1240
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: her bench. She gives me a thumbs up, and I

1241
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: give her up, meaning that, you know, we survived another

1242
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: year of not being traded in there before, and we

1243
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: really loved Houston. We just bought a house, you know,

1244
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: at home. It was it was home away from home.

1245
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: So I get in the halftime Rudy Rudy, Tom Jonovich

1246
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: and all assistant coaches do make there that he is

1247
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: known to do, and I'm thinking, okay, great. So I'm

1248
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: now back on the court in the layup line. The

1249
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: next thing I know, the general manager calls me, calls

1250
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: me out of the line and said, hey, we gotta

1251
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: talk to you. Takes me through the tunnel and right

1252
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: to tell me. He says, hey, you just been traded.

1253
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like what he said, Yeah, we just traded you.

1254
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: So he tells me I'm traded to Dallas. I think

1255
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: I was traded for like a second round pick and

1256
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: more than whiley and I was upset. I mean, I

1257
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: was picked because I didn't want to get traded. I

1258
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: felt that, you know, I was told that I was

1259
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: not going to get traded. But as as it turns out,

1260
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, what I was undrafted was not um did

1261
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: not make it as a drafted player, and the way

1262
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: I looked at the silver lining, it wasn't. After a while,

1263
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: look now I'm traded for two players, a pick and

1264
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: a and a and a live player. So what a

1265
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: what a what a career, But what a way to

1266
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: get traded during the game. It wasn't wasn't on a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. No, that's that's that's really really remarkable.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like look we glossed over the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: when you go to Dallas. That was back when you

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Speaker 1: had when it was the Jim Jackson, Jamal Mashburn, Jason Kidd,

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Speaker 1: like three unbelievable talents who ultimately that thing kind of

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Speaker 1: that thing broke up. Um. Yeah, coach coach Mona had

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Speaker 1: a good term you know we had there was only

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Speaker 1: the three js, and he said they were really good

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Speaker 1: and really young and really going to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: a team to be you know, reckon with with Jimmy Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd and Jamal that what three very highly highly skilled,

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Speaker 1: very competitive, he said. But the fourth j um took

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Speaker 1: over the team and that was unfortunately, we just could

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Speaker 1: not get along and figure out a good balance of uh,

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Speaker 1: sharing the pie, like I would like to say, because

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Speaker 1: when you're a young player, you want it all, but

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Speaker 1: if you want to be a good young player, and

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Speaker 1: that's what things. I give a lot of credit to

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Speaker 1: Westbrook and Durant that they were willing to show the

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Speaker 1: plot pie to being such great players that they were

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Speaker 1: all right. So let's let's get to that. Because you

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Speaker 1: start out you're you're a player coach with the with

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Speaker 1: the L A Stars and the A B A right,

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Speaker 1: then with then with the Southern California surf? Right? Was

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Speaker 1: there was there ever a moment to which your wife

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Speaker 1: pulls you aside and says like, what are you doing? Like?

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Speaker 1: What what are you doing? Did? Which was she did?

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Speaker 1: She did? Did she? What was her sense? When you

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Speaker 1: started coaching? Well? I waited a year or two because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that I wasn't gonna put

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Speaker 1: my family through the traveling, moving city to city as

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Speaker 1: as I did as a player. But I wanted them

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Speaker 1: to be committed to it because I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: go in and then not go full steam and trying

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Speaker 1: to become a head coach. And we got you know,

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Speaker 1: I listened to my wife obviously had a bit as

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Speaker 1: most husbands do. Uh So she said, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to move from city to city and let's

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Speaker 1: do it where it's gonna be a great experience as

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Speaker 1: long as we can do it together as a family

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Speaker 1: and um, your kids moved from school to school. It's

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Speaker 1: not easy. Definitely not easy. It's a lot of tough times.

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Speaker 1: But when you do it together and you can get

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Speaker 1: through it together, you're gonna come out better and show her.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the reasons why I

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Speaker 1: think my kids are really well rounded and versed in

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Speaker 1: a lot of different situations because they were put in

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Speaker 1: different situations. But um, it wasn't easy to my re

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Speaker 1: league's not easy. I remember driving the van. I remember

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Speaker 1: uh setting the times for jam times. I remember passing

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Speaker 1: out tickets. I remember and this was the most incredible

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Speaker 1: keeping guy's ankles and I just did it off of

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Speaker 1: memory when watching trainers tape my ankles. Yes, I was everything.

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Speaker 1: And the minor leagues you had to do that back then.

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Speaker 1: But now being in the minor leagues, now the league

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Speaker 1: is down. These players don't realize how good they have it.

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Speaker 1: I hope they do. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they do or not. But back in the minor leages,

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Speaker 1: back then, it was really tough to be a minor

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Speaker 1: league player. But that's it for part one of my

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Speaker 1: discussion with Scotty Brooks, head coach of the Washington Wizards,

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Speaker 1: about his journey to make it to the NBA. Up

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Speaker 1: Coming next week in the All Ball Podcast, I'll have

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Speaker 1: more with Scotty Brooks. We'll talk about what it was

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Speaker 1: like to coast those thunder We'll talk about what um

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Speaker 1: he sees as the ultimate ceiling for the Washington Wizards.

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Speaker 1: I'm also gonna ask him about that terrible picture that

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Speaker 1: John Wall took when he was practicing with Team USA.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you download, subscribe, and rate the All Ball Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to download and listen to my radio show

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Speaker 1: daily on Fox Sports Radio three to six Eastern, twelve

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Speaker 1: to three Pacific. If you have any questions, feel free

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Speaker 1: to hear me on Twitter, on Instagram, or on our

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Speaker 1: Facebook page. I'm Doug Gottlieben. This has been a ball

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