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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Actor Val Kilmore has

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Speaker 2: died and we are going to get into his cause

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Speaker 2: of death and also the cancer he.

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Speaker 3: Was living with.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to get into a crazy story about

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Speaker 2: someone who made a homemade canon.

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Speaker 3: Like what could possibly go wrong with that?

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Speaker 2: Right, We're going to talk about Virginia Jeffrey's bizarre post

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Speaker 2: saying that she had days to live. Let's start off

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Speaker 2: with Val Kilmore. This was a bummer this week.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I really I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess I haven't been keeping tabs on him, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know he was sick. So when my

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Speaker 1: husband told me yesterday that he died, I was pretty

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Speaker 1: shocked because he's young. He's only sixty five years old.

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Speaker 2: He's most How do you think that he was wearing

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Speaker 2: that what would you call that?

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Speaker 3: As caught?

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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't really I just said I haven't been

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Speaker 1: keeping tabs on him. I haven't really seen pictures of

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Speaker 1: him in the last couple of years. And I guess

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Speaker 1: he was in the latest Top Gun remake and he's

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Speaker 1: wearing a scarf in that movie, but I just wasn't

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Speaker 1: paying attention to it. But he was young, and they're

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Speaker 1: saying he died from pneumonia, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, so he had I kind of was not talked

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Speaker 2: soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's been a long history with him. So apparently he

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Speaker 2: felt a lump in his neck back in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and fourteen or twenty and fifteen, and he kind of

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Speaker 2: waited a while to get treatment of it because he's

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Speaker 2: a Christian scientist. Did you know that, Oh no, so

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Speaker 2: interesting thing about Christian scientists, don't I really never had

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Speaker 2: heard of them. And when I was rotating at the

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Speaker 2: Medical Examiner's office, we actually had a case of a

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Speaker 2: little kid that ended up getting pneumonia two year old,

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Speaker 2: and her parents wouldn't treat her because they were Christian scientists,

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Speaker 2: and apparently they believed that diseases and ailments are errors

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Speaker 2: of the mind, and they really give precedence to spiritual

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Speaker 2: healing rather than modern medicine. And obviously I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: this story from the Medical Examiner's office, which means that

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Speaker 2: this kid died and the parents actually got charged with homicide.

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Speaker 2: Because the medical examiner rolled it a homicide because she

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Speaker 2: wasn't treated for something that could have been treated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that you bring that up, I'm curious how

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Speaker 1: that plays into religion because there's a lot of religions

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Speaker 1: interesting theory because I did once also have an autopsy

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Speaker 1: on a woman who is postpartum that was bleeding due

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Speaker 1: to complications with the delivery, and they were Jehovah's witness.

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Speaker 1: The husband refused blood products for her and she ended

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Speaker 1: up dying. And she didn't have to die. She died

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Speaker 1: because she didn't get a transfusion. So it is interesting,

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Speaker 1: and I'm honestly like, I really just don't know how

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Speaker 1: that works, because ultimately that's a little bit different. You're

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Speaker 1: in charge of yourself, so you can make the choice

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Speaker 1: if she had had that in writing that she didn't

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Speaker 2: Products, like, that's her choice. But with the being and

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Speaker 2: the same with val kilmorph he didn't want to get

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Speaker 2: treatment of his cancer, that's his choice. But when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about raising a child and not doing an intervention

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Speaker 2: because of religion, then I mean in the case that

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, now that you're saying all that, I do

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Speaker 1: when it comes to minors that can't make decisions for themselves.

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Speaker 1: When you're an adult, that's a whole different story. But

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Speaker 1: I agree those rules should not apply when it's little

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Speaker 1: kids that are sick, especially when it's something that's preventable.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off first by talking about what this lump

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Speaker 1: ended up being. So he has said that he was

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Speaker 1: diagnosed with throat cancer. Now what is throat cancer. Your

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Speaker 1: throat is a very complex area which consists of the

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Speaker 1: really sure exactly where this tumor originated because he's saying

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Speaker 1: could quite possibly be just a lymph node that had

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure where it originated. From but most

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Speaker 2: By the HPV virus. So that's the majority of those cases, right,

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Speaker 2: So how do you get HPV? It's a sexually transmitted infection,

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Speaker 2: the same exact way you would get it in your

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Speaker 2: the reason that this is becoming so prevalent now is because,

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Speaker 2: especially with younger people, they don't consider oral sex to

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Speaker 2: be sex. So sometimes you could even speak with people

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Speaker 2: and say that they would never have sex without a condom,

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Speaker 2: but they would have oral sex without any protection. And listen, like,

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Speaker 2: if you think about giving someone oral sex with either

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: You never heard of that.

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Speaker 1: Really, it's nice because I'm sitting here like, well, how

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Speaker 1: is this even possible that you're doing it? Like on

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Speaker 2: In particular, they sell these things called dental dams, which

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Speaker 2: material similar to a condom, and it's it's like performing surgery.

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Speaker 2: You have to take this thing out of the package.

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Speaker 2: Like have you ever taken latee You probably haven't, but

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Speaker 2: at all topsy. When we use like legit surgical gloves,

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Speaker 2: this like fine talk powder on them, so they don't

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Speaker 2: stick together, right, So you have to take this dental

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Speaker 3: To put lube.

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Speaker 2: They recommend you put lube first on the vulva and

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Speaker 2: then you put the dental dam on top of it,

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Speaker 3: To have oral sex.

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Speaker 2: And it's nobody's doing that exactly. So this is this

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Speaker 2: HPV vaccine is important. And I'm not like one of

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Speaker 2: cytotechnologist before I was a PA, and I looked at

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Speaker 2: So it's something that's always kind of freaked me out

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Speaker 2: because not only is it responsible for vaginal vaginal cervical

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Speaker 2: but that's definitely not as common. It could cause anal cancer,

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Speaker 2: but it also could cause throat cancer, and like, nobody

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Speaker 2: HPV virus a lot of people get. It's just the

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Speaker 2: most common sexually transmitted infection, and most people's immune system

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Speaker 2: if you get certain strains of the virus, then they're

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Speaker 2: then they look cancerous. Oh, cervical cancer and females used

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Speaker 2: And these tests are all done when you go get

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Speaker 2: and they'll monitor those people accordingly. But ever since these

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Speaker 2: But the problem is now with throat cancer because this

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Speaker 2: check for these atypical changes. So it's just it's invasive, right,

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Speaker 2: So they haven't come up with like a PAP smear

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Speaker 3: Yet so and.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, when you present with this kind of cancer, it's

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Speaker 2: like he, like Val Kilmour was saying, I have a

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Speaker 3: To make it go away.

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Speaker 2: So finally he tells family like, hey, I'm not getting

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm not really sure if he had tonsil

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Speaker 2: that's the good thing. But the bad thing is is

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Speaker 2: whenever you radiate an area like that, radiation causes a

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Speaker 2: and it's really it's really brutal, especially having had a

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Speaker 2: And during that treatment it could damage your vocal cords too,

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Speaker 2: So he had a procedure done called the tracheostomy, which

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Speaker 2: All right, So I'm listening to the radio yesterday and

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Speaker 2: Oftentimes they do surgeries when they cut someone open to

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Speaker 1: Well, these people had a history of causing public disruptions,

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Speaker 2: So this Virginia Guffrie go Frey, how do you say

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Speaker 1: of you who don't know, she's one of Jeffrey Epstein's

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Speaker 1: most notable accusers. She also has said that Prince Andrew

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Speaker 1: was wrapped up in the whole scandal and that he

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Speaker 1: assaulted her. This is this is alleged, they keep saying

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Speaker 1: in the articles. But she was in a lawsuit with

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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew and he settled. So is it still alleged.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how that works. Anyway. She posted

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Speaker 1: the other day on Instagram that she got in a

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Speaker 1: really bad car accident and she was given only four

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Speaker 1: days to live. But the police are saying that there

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Speaker 1: was an accident, but there was no reported injuries, and

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Speaker 1: now people are questioning what is going on at all.

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Speaker 3: So I have to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: When I first saw the story, because everybody's posting it

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Speaker 2: on Instagram, right.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking like this.

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Speaker 2: I just thought this is very weird because obviously people

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Speaker 2: get in car accidents all the time and die a

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Speaker 2: couple days later. That's a normal thing that happens. But

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Speaker 2: usually it's like the person has injuries that were so

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Speaker 2: bad and they're in the ICU and they're intubated, and

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Speaker 2: their family is making a post like, oh, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to take them off like support tonight, like this

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Speaker 2: is it? I was thinking, like, how is this woman

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Speaker 2: totally fine right now to be posting a selfie and

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Speaker 2: writing herself that she's going to die in four days

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Speaker 2: after a car accident. I just thought it was I

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Speaker 2: just thought it was very unusual. And then to say

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Speaker 2: that she went into kidney renal failure. But like why

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Speaker 2: after an accident you're thinking an accident causes blunt trauma.

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Speaker 2: It just it didn't really add up to me. And

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Speaker 2: of course, like listen, if a person's laying there in

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Speaker 2: a bed and bruised up and saying they got in

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Speaker 2: an accident, they're going to die, Like who am I

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Speaker 2: to question it? I'm not the kind of person that's

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Speaker 2: going to call the police department and say did this

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Speaker 2: really happen?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: But apparently like people did that and this is how

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Speaker 2: this all came out. Well, I just want to say, first,

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Speaker 2: I understand it's weird to make an Instagram post, but

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Speaker 2: I also think that you know, like if something happened

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Speaker 2: to me, you have access to my Instagram account and

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Speaker 2: you could post a picture of me in the hospital

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Speaker 2: bed and write a caption. I understand it's bizarre that

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Speaker 2: it's in first person, but you don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: what they were trying to do. I was thinking that

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Speaker 2: at first, but apparently her family has come out after

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Speaker 2: and said that she thought she was posting it to

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Speaker 2: a private Facebook group, so I don't know what that's about.

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Speaker 3: And then the whole accident thing is just very weird.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is that she posted it, so

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Speaker 2: she was fine enough to take a selfie and post it.

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Speaker 3: It's just like.

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Speaker 2: When you're given days to die like that, you're not

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Speaker 2: totally fine, and then all of a sudden they're saying,

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Speaker 2: like you're dying in two days, Like that just doesn't

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Speaker 2: happen like that. Do you understand, Like it's just like

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Speaker 2: if you're if they're giving you days to live, it

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Speaker 2: means that you're almost dead. You're not. You're not taking

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Speaker 2: selfies and posting. So I don't know if I'm being

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Speaker 2: clear or not that it doesn't make any sense. It's

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Speaker 2: just bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I understand what you're saying, but like the whole

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Speaker 1: situation's weird. She's saying that a school bus slammed into

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Speaker 1: her car when she was making a turn. Some people

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Speaker 1: are saying that the police were called and they said

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Speaker 1: nobody was available to come to the scene and if

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Speaker 1: anybody was hurt, to go to the hospital, which then

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Speaker 1: we're saying that she did go to the hospital, and

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Speaker 1: somebody confirmed she was. They're saying a source, So we

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Speaker 1: don't know who the source is, but a source has

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Speaker 1: said she was in the hospital but was definitely not

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Speaker 1: in life threatening condition.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if no.

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Speaker 1: Cops responded to the scene, how could they confidently say

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Speaker 1: nobody was injured.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess they said that the car only sustained

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Speaker 2: two thousand dollars worth of damage, and she had said, like,

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Speaker 2: I guess she initially maybe didn't think that she was

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Speaker 2: injured that bad. And and then I mean, listen, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how things work where this accident was.

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Speaker 2: We're in Australia, but let's say this, like, if there's

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Speaker 2: not enough resources, it's like if you're on the road

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Speaker 2: and you get in a fender bender, right, if they

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Speaker 2: have limited resources, they're gonna be like, all right, we're

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Speaker 2: not sending an ambulance out because we can't. But if

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Speaker 2: you called and were like a person got ejected out

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Speaker 2: of a vehicle, they're going to send an ambulance. So

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Speaker 2: based upon the call at the time, they didn't think

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Speaker 2: that it was necessary that they even needed to send

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Speaker 2: an ambulance at all for her. And she went later

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Speaker 2: and listen, that happened to me once I got in

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Speaker 2: a car accident. I mean, my air bag deployed and all,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't really feel like I had to go

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Speaker 2: in the ambulance when they showed up.

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Speaker 3: And then a.

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Speaker 2: Day later, my neck hurts so frickin' bad, Like it

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Speaker 2: was so so bad, and I had such a bad

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Speaker 2: headache and it was probably just like whiplash or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I actually went to the hospital because I was like,

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Speaker 2: I hope, like nothing's wrong.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was just in a car accident yesterday, so let

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Speaker 2: me get checked out. So, I mean, that's not out

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Speaker 2: of the realm of possibility, but it's like if she

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Speaker 2: was in an accident that they're saying was less than

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Speaker 2: two thousand dollars worth of damage and there was no

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Speaker 2: air bag deployment, and the actual bus driver was interviewed

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Speaker 2: and was just like, yeah, like this she wasn't hurt

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Speaker 2: at all. How did she get these crazy bruises on

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Speaker 2: her face? That's like one thing that's just super bizarre

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Speaker 2: to me. And the thing that's the weirdest part about

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Speaker 2: this source that they keep saying is like it sounds

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Speaker 2: like somebody that's working in the hospital. That's the source,

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Speaker 2: which is really fucked up. Like they're saying the source

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Speaker 2: has knowledge of the situation and says that she's a

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Speaker 2: current impatient at the hospital, was not in a life

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Speaker 2: threatening condition. She does have the bruises shown in the

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Speaker 2: social media picture, but according to the source, has not

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Speaker 2: told the hospital what caused those injuries. Like, doesn't that

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Speaker 2: sound like someone that works there or was treating her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the whole situation's really bizarre. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like the police saying, well, there was

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Speaker 1: no reported injuries is kind of ridiculous when they didn't

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Speaker 1: even show up to make an official report, and like

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Speaker 1: you're saying, you could very easily think you're fine that

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Speaker 1: day and then have to go later. I think the

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Speaker 1: extent of her injuries is very confusing. I think because

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Speaker 1: of the weirdness of the story. I was looking at

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Speaker 1: the comments under her Instagram post and now a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are like.

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Speaker 2: Are questioning the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're questioning the Jeffrey Epstein thing. But let's let's

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Speaker 1: you know, remember that he was convicted for prostitution charges

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, So like everybody could chill out,

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Speaker 1: like I know, you still did what he did.

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Speaker 2: It's still like listen, if someone's faking this, then like

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Speaker 2: you have to question other things because it's a certain

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Speaker 2: person that fakes cancer and a certain person that fakes

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Speaker 2: assaults and things. I'm just putting it out, are you

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Speaker 2: so people aren't dick heads for like, yes, again, it's

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Speaker 2: totally possible that this this poor woman was traumatized her

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Speaker 2: young adult life and now she's just like lost and

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Speaker 2: feeding for attention or having mental health issues.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the conspiracies are gonna be all over. You

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Speaker 1: could say she got in this accident, and then you

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Speaker 1: could think that all these mega rich people wrapped up

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Speaker 1: in this Epstein scandal are like paying somebody to like

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Speaker 1: try to get her killed or beat her up or something,

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Speaker 1: and she doesn't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just seeing all these crazy conspiracies like all over

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Speaker 1: the internet, and we're just not going to really know

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Speaker 1: what happened. I mean, I haven't seen any reports that

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Speaker 1: she that she has passed away or anything yet.

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Speaker 3: So because she's she's not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, and is this credible source from the hospital,

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Speaker 1: the same person tell her where she's gonna die in

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Speaker 1: four days?

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Speaker 2: There was something nobody told her she was dying in

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Speaker 2: four days. That's that didn't happen. So she So there's

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Speaker 2: a story out recently that says something about this happened

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Speaker 2: like days after she violated some kind of family restraining

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Speaker 2: order or something. And I don't even know what that's about.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't know anything about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so so there'll be more to common. We'll we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about it all right.

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