Speaker 1: Hello, friends, what's up. It's me Devin Simone and.
Speaker 2: I'm Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: Devin, we almost at the e.
Speaker 4: We almost a moment.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so hard, sad Tuesday, but we're gonna see
Speaker 1: more of you, which I am so excited for. Oh
Speaker 1: get ready, I got my notepad ready, But hell, I digress.
Speaker 1: I know everybody's so excited to see you back. I
Speaker 1: am so excited to see you back. I just cannot.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to feel. I have so many feelings.
Speaker 1: I feel like if somebody gets in a fight with you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna now be super mad at them because they're
Speaker 1: like just so many things.
Speaker 4: Sony thoughts but.
Speaker 5: A sorry all SRD so exact.
Speaker 1: But with that, what you're feeling on this reunion? Who's
Speaker 1: getting your GoldStar? Who's getting your time out for this?
Speaker 1: For part one of the reunion timeouts?
Speaker 3: I don't think I have one this week.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the reunion, I feel like everyone
Speaker 2: who got put in the hot.
Speaker 3: Seed and oh no, yes I do.
Speaker 4: We knew it because I do.
Speaker 2: Why was Tina on one thousand? She really stressing me out?
Speaker 2: And I love like a good dramatic situation.
Speaker 4: But it was just it was doing the Mud and
Speaker 4: against Naya.
Speaker 2: It was a lot you're right too much, and I
Speaker 2: felt like some of it was forced.
Speaker 3: I don't really know her like that.
Speaker 2: A couple of times that I married, she's been really sweet,
Speaker 2: really great, and so the sweet person that I met
Speaker 2: is completely different than.
Speaker 1: What Even when she's sweet, though, she is kind of
Speaker 1: on a thousand like even when she's being fun and sweet,
Speaker 1: she is like full throttle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't understand. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand. I understand.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if I if I have to give a
Speaker 2: time out for this reunion, I would.
Speaker 3: Have to give it to Tina.
Speaker 4: Now she's gonna come for you.
Speaker 3: And guess what. Made the Lord bless her real good?
Speaker 4: Tina?
Speaker 1: Her at is at David on Diane and guess what.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna sad her tweets straight to the Lord.
Speaker 2: May the Lord bless her real good? My gold star
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I believe it is going to go to.
Speaker 3: Amanda.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give my goal star to Amanda because maybe
Speaker 2: that is how you make an.
Speaker 4: Entrance, not a good Christian woman giving to the devil.
Speaker 2: Now, now Amanda if they called herself, but she called
Speaker 2: herself and dressed, and that is how you make an entrance,
Speaker 2: that is how you make it.
Speaker 4: She looked great.
Speaker 2: Our goal star in times timeout are going to be
Speaker 2: totally different for yours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm trying to see the pearly gates.
Speaker 3: No, I'm will be right there.
Speaker 1: I would say that my time out is going to
Speaker 1: whatever audio guy didn't cut me and Maya's.
Speaker 4: Mic oh no.
Speaker 1: No, not here for it. Not a fan didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Other time out, one other person gets it. The toenails thing.
Speaker 1: It was annoying when we saw it on the show,
Speaker 1: but like kind of fine, funny, but bringing it out
Speaker 1: here again, it's just you gotta know when to let
Speaker 1: a joke go, you know, when it's past its time,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and I just felt like that one was
Speaker 1: didn't need to happen again. Gold Stars are going to
Speaker 1: be Maria Manudas. Yeah, multiples, I was pulling a day.
Speaker 1: Maria Manuno's just her vibe in this reunion, everything from
Speaker 1: like the look, the energy, the way she's navigating the cast,
Speaker 1: the way she's pulling it together like she's a rock
Speaker 1: star and has been, so she gold star there and then, Okay,
Speaker 1: people probably aren't gonna like this. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she gets a gold star for it, because you don't
Speaker 1: want to applaud a fish for swimming. But like, there
Speaker 1: was a moment that Laurel gave props to Michelle early on.
Speaker 1: There was a moment Laurel gave props to Michelle and
Speaker 1: she was just like when Michelle was kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: questioning herself and she was Laura was like, no, you're great.
Speaker 4: I thought that was lovely. I did. I thought it
Speaker 4: was lovely.
Speaker 1: I thought it was accurate because I think Michelle underestimates
Speaker 1: herself and I thought that was just a lovely moment
Speaker 1: that that she didn't have to do that we didn't
Speaker 1: expect to see quite frankly, and for all I know,
Speaker 1: she's going to completely undo all of that next episode
Speaker 1: and then I'm not gonna be a defender.
Speaker 3: But I liked that in the moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the moment, gold star and props to me. Amayah.
Speaker 1: He gets an honorable mention or maybe even a gold
Speaker 1: star for at least attempting to come back on stage,
Speaker 1: because that's tough that's tough. And also you got to
Speaker 1: know your body and when your stomach says you got
Speaker 1: to go, just he just gets to go and goes.
Speaker 2: So I'm liking the reunion though. So far yeah, so far,
Speaker 2: so good. This season has been phenomenal. This first half
Speaker 2: of this reunion was phenomenal. Oh but this interview, Ah,
Speaker 2: but this interview is going to be something, something, something
Speaker 2: for the people. And I'm so excited because we have
Speaker 2: we have our podcast.
Speaker 3: Sister is coming in. It ain't that just right for
Speaker 3: her to come in at the end.
Speaker 1: When it's family, it's like a real thing, and it
Speaker 1: really is such a family. I feel so honored to
Speaker 1: be a part of this family and for all the
Speaker 1: listeners who do listen, you guys, being a part of
Speaker 1: our extended family, like it really is this special little
Speaker 1: community that we built. Anyway, but in the moment here now,
Speaker 1: this interview fabulous. We have the amazing toy deal. Here
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all the things from yes
Speaker 1: the poop and compants too, what really went down at
Speaker 1: the reunion, feuds that were resolved, some that weren't, and
Speaker 1: some stuff maybe we didn't see behind the scenes. So
Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to miss this interview Toy Deal
Speaker 1: coming up right after this. All right, friends, you know
Speaker 1: we were popping off on the Reunion part one, which
Speaker 1: means we had to get a guest who we knew
Speaker 1: could pop off and discussing the Reunion Part one.
Speaker 4: She may have pooped her pants.
Speaker 1: While doing this final, but when it comes to performing
Speaker 1: overall in the challenge, she definitely doesn't shit the bag.
Speaker 4: She's one of the greatest of all time. Please give
Speaker 4: it up to the Tory Deal.
Speaker 2: Ohank you.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy to be back here with you guys.
Speaker 6: Congrats on crushing this entire season of the podcast.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't want anybody else to hold my.
Speaker 6: Hand right now through the conversation, so thanks for thanks
Speaker 6: for having me.
Speaker 1: You know, we got you and we just have to
Speaker 1: shut it out because I don't know if you know,
Speaker 1: because I barely knew, and I know Day knew, but
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of late. But our podcast
Speaker 1: was nominated for an award?
Speaker 4: Did we win? That's not relevant information, but still we
Speaker 4: were nominal.
Speaker 5: We did win.
Speaker 3: We did, we did, Yes, we won, Wright shut the door.
Speaker 5: This is the Reality TV Awards.
Speaker 3: We won?
Speaker 1: Yea, I should have win No, I didn't go because
Speaker 1: I was like, we're yeah, thank you listeners and challenge Bam.
Speaker 1: We couldn't have done it without you. And what a
Speaker 1: way to find out that we won an award. We
Speaker 1: are so unseerious if you can't tell, this is a
Speaker 1: perfect example.
Speaker 2: I think that's why we meet each other because we
Speaker 2: were going out a fort and Tory had the inside
Speaker 2: school on the outside.
Speaker 3: So shout out to the three of us plus Anisa.
Speaker 3: We make it all work again.
Speaker 1: We do make it all work together. And girl, you
Speaker 1: were making it work this season. Congratulations on making it
Speaker 1: to the final. That is exceptional, especially after that elimination.
Speaker 3: Good that you had to do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh my god, it was really really hard. I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't think you ever think an elimination is going
Speaker 6: to be that. Like I've done so many seasons now,
Speaker 6: especially back to back to back, so I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 6: I've seen it all and I'm totally prepared for whatever
Speaker 6: the last elimination is, and I'm going to be prepared
Speaker 6: for the final.
Speaker 5: And I don't think I could have been more unprepared.
Speaker 6: They had a way of flipping this entire season on
Speaker 6: its head by introducing an all water elimination, all water final.
Speaker 6: So I just, yeah, I'm just baffled at how I
Speaker 6: can just constantly feel like there's so much more to
Speaker 6: get better at and it's just the nature of the
Speaker 6: Beasts that the challenge is.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: I'm grateful to have made it, but obviously it came
Speaker 6: with its bruises.
Speaker 4: Are you did? When the world ends? I'm rolling. I'm
Speaker 4: rolling with both of y'all.
Speaker 2: Actually, like just know, like put me in the boat,
Speaker 2: like I'm right across Toy's stomach, right and we go,
Speaker 2: I'm coming.
Speaker 4: We're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 5: One thing about it. We're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 3: We're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2: Listen, Okay, So going into this thing, we know who
Speaker 2: you are, and we always pump you up. We're always
Speaker 2: excited to see you play. And I feel like sometimes
Speaker 2: you downplay yourself sometimes, but now the conversations are that
Speaker 2: your face is to be added to the mount.
Speaker 3: How does that make you feel?
Speaker 5: Honestly, like really really great? It does.
Speaker 6: And I think this entire season I was proving to
Speaker 6: myself with mostly like the daily wins, just winning five
Speaker 6: total including the Era Invitational, so more daily wins than
Speaker 6: even any of the male competitors. Walking away with that
Speaker 6: stat alone, for me made me see that in myself,
Speaker 6: and also being very humbled in the final just reminds
Speaker 6: me like there's always room to grow and to be better.
Speaker 5: So it's like it's a blessing.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, you know, I still have
Speaker 6: so much to get better at, so I'm grateful, but
Speaker 6: it just makes me want to work harder.
Speaker 1: I love that you have that mindset, but like real
Speaker 1: talk and I look, there are gonna be some haters
Speaker 1: who listened to this and are like you guys, pump her.
Speaker 4: Up because she's your co host and podcasts you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And then there's gonna be some people who recognize because
Speaker 1: like if you did something crazy, which we'll talk about,
Speaker 1: well one hundred tell you, but truly, like I'd argue
Speaker 1: most people and they let me know.
Speaker 4: If you agree.
Speaker 1: Aren't good at everything, Like yeah, there's a Jordan, but
Speaker 1: Jordan is not most people. But aren't good at everything,
Speaker 1: and you're good at so many things and you like
Speaker 1: put your head down to go for it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've been listening this season, you should be,
Speaker 1: but okay the.
Speaker 5: Movie star, Yeah, oh go ahead. Oh no, what we're
Speaker 5: gonna say?
Speaker 4: What we're gonna say.
Speaker 5: I had to stop.
Speaker 6: Listening halfway through because that's when it started to get
Speaker 6: too heavy for me. I was like, I can't deal
Speaker 6: with the drama. I stopped watching the show. Now, yeah,
Speaker 6: keep going.
Speaker 4: It was a lot. So we've been doing this. I
Speaker 4: don't know how it even started a movie star comparison.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 4: I think it's because because when.
Speaker 1: When Corey won to Gladdie, Oh, we were Corey and
Speaker 1: I think we're talking about sports, and then we moved
Speaker 1: it to movies.
Speaker 4: That's how it came shout out to Corey.
Speaker 1: So we were comparing who we thought certain challenges were,
Speaker 1: like if we had to compare their careers to certain
Speaker 1: movie stars. And then we did it like, you know,
Speaker 1: for the men, and we did it for the women.
Speaker 1: And I've gotten some tweets days, gotten some tweets and
Speaker 1: messages about who they think I likened you to. Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 5: I feel like, oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a vine like America's sweetheart anytime
Speaker 1: she goes out really good, has not had the easiest time,
Speaker 1: also has great hair. Who would you compare yourself to
Speaker 1: and who would you compare.
Speaker 4: Jordan too, because that one's been hotly contested.
Speaker 5: Oh, I think Jordan is.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm so bad with names and this
Speaker 6: is such a big name. So it's embarrassing that I'm
Speaker 6: gonna ask for your support to help me. Remember who's
Speaker 6: the guy that does all his stunts?
Speaker 4: Oh, Tom Cruise, Yeah, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 5: Jordan is the Tom Cruise.
Speaker 6: I could see that because he does he actually does
Speaker 6: the stunts, like Jordan isn't just some like flake who
Speaker 6: doesn't do the backflips off the buildings, Like, that's Jordan
Speaker 6: and that's Tom Cruise. So I think that makes sense
Speaker 6: for him. For me, I don't know, I'd give myself
Speaker 6: more of like like a Melissa McCarthy, Like she starts
Speaker 6: as a big I love her.
Speaker 4: I mean I love Melissa love.
Speaker 6: Starts as like you know this, she comes in with
Speaker 6: lightheartedness and then starts to take on a more serious role.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think that I can kind of see that.
Speaker 6: But I really I love this Sandra Bullock reference too,
Speaker 6: because she is obviously iconic, and yeah.
Speaker 4: I can kind of see the Melissa.
Speaker 1: I think that's a vibe and I'd actually argue CT
Speaker 1: is Tom Cruise. Hear me out, because Tom Cruise hasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily won all the awards, right, but we know he's
Speaker 1: iconic and he's he's on mission impossible nine six hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy eight, and a greater mind would have just said,
Speaker 1: you know what, the mission is impossible.
Speaker 4: But he's still going.
Speaker 1: And I feel like CT granted he didn't have his
Speaker 1: best showing this season, but I wouldn't use that to
Speaker 1: sleep on CT because you never really know when he
Speaker 1: gets it in his head that he's gonna come back
Speaker 1: and fighting shape and next season, and he could come
Speaker 1: back and win it, you know what I mean? Not
Speaker 1: according to Michelle Okay, thoughts on that, thoughts on that,
Speaker 1: and not her being like, oh, I didn't realize. The
Speaker 1: example she gave was one in which she won the
Speaker 1: whole season like.
Speaker 5: So bad, so bad.
Speaker 2: I think the funniest part of that entire thing was
Speaker 2: Devine saying, yeah, you're on your own, like.
Speaker 3: I'm not getting involved in that. You you got that?
Speaker 6: Oh god, it was so funny in person, like truly,
Speaker 6: you just don't think somebody's gonna say CT is the
Speaker 6: most underrated.
Speaker 1: I mean curveball and she tried to defend it for
Speaker 1: a second, like I didn't.
Speaker 5: She doesn't stand on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was gonna stand on it.
Speaker 4: Don't do absolutely wild.
Speaker 3: My girl said the sky is purple when I mean
Speaker 3: it she did.
Speaker 6: I feel like CT, to like the celebrity thing is
Speaker 6: like Sylvester Saloone a little too, Like he's so he's
Speaker 6: so rugged, like he is rugged, and I think like
Speaker 6: Tom Cruise could be pretty boy actor, which Jordan gives
Speaker 6: that energy sometimes CT is to me, I guess like
Speaker 6: these modern rors of CT, it's like he is, he
Speaker 6: is the real deal. You don't want to see CT
Speaker 6: in a fight, yeah side of here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 6: I could see Tom Cruise because he's legit too. But
Speaker 6: I also think he's just not a pretty boy.
Speaker 1: He's like a dirty or like DeNiro, because DeNiro has
Speaker 1: like swag, but it's still rugged and like no one's
Speaker 1: ever doubting de Niro's skills, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're just.
Speaker 4: Not taking that away. Yeah, that's that's fair.
Speaker 1: Okay, before we get off of it, one of the
Speaker 1: other girls, you can pick whichever girl you want.
Speaker 4: Who what actress do you think her career mirrors.
Speaker 2: Emuly, We're trying to find Meryll. That's what we're trying
Speaker 2: to find Merrow. Last time, I forgot who is the
Speaker 2: Meryl stream of the challenge, that's what we're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out.
Speaker 1: Power of ETO on Twitter said they compared you to
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They said, you've been in the game for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've seen recent major success like Margot Robbie did,
Speaker 1: like your writer dies is your Barbie is like the
Speaker 1: barb movie for years.
Speaker 4: But they said, and.
Speaker 1: Then they also said that Rachel was Meryl Streep because
Speaker 1: she's og still top of the game and someone literally
Speaker 1: d m B right now comparing someone to They said,
Speaker 1: Rachel is Demi Moore. Actually they changed it to Rachel's
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep in real time.
Speaker 4: They said, you are Scarlett Johansson me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They said you can play multiple types of role and
Speaker 1: still awesome in them all. Emily is Hillary Swank, Evelyn
Speaker 1: is Angelina, Jolee Dian was, Reese Witherspoon, Laurel Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I think we said that Carl Charlie's throng And this
Speaker 1: is from the Beauty Babe Club.
Speaker 4: You sing a shout out to the Beauty Babe Club.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 6: I would switch the Laurel as Charlie's Throne, and then
Speaker 6: I would make Kara the one that Laurel was from
Speaker 6: the Hunger Games.
Speaker 5: What's her name, Lawrence? I would switch them. But other
Speaker 5: than that, I feel like that's pretty.
Speaker 4: Why why would you make that switch?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: Interesting? Was what's the difference?
Speaker 6: I feel like Laurel like when I think about them,
Speaker 6: I just I'm thinking about the movies that come up
Speaker 6: in my mind. And Sherry's Throne is like that cold
Speaker 6: Queen and like The Huntsman and the Snow White And
Speaker 6: I feel like Laurel gives off cold queen energy, and
Speaker 6: Kara definitely gives off Hunger Games like fighting with a
Speaker 6: bow and arrow.
Speaker 1: You know, I could see you know what so good.
Speaker 1: I could totally see that. Yeah, I think that's and
Speaker 1: Emily being Hillary Swank, She's and her reasoning was just
Speaker 1: a simple badass, but stays low key in private most
Speaker 1: of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Rachel. She's considered one of, if not
Speaker 2: the best actress in the industry. We're talking about Meryl
Speaker 2: Streep and everything she does is.
Speaker 4: Amazing at any age.
Speaker 1: And that's true because we gotta think Rachel started on
Speaker 1: this show how many years ago, like to be still
Speaker 1: dominating after kid like that's.
Speaker 6: She is more physically fit now than I think she
Speaker 6: ever has been. Like truly, I feel like I'm the
Speaker 6: most inspired by her because when I look to see
Speaker 6: you know, she's I think, like forty one right now,
Speaker 6: I'm thirty one.
Speaker 5: In ten years, I want to be Rachel like that.
Speaker 5: She is what to look for me.
Speaker 6: That is my example of how I want my body
Speaker 6: to be. I literally have been doing her Rachel face.
Speaker 1: I said, do you get up at s sa am
Speaker 1: and do though I get the emails I open.
Speaker 5: No, I have her half and I just do it
Speaker 5: when I want to do it. I do that.
Speaker 4: Give me a free membership too. I love you, Rache,
Speaker 4: but I still you know, yeah, well you aspired to
Speaker 4: be that. Yeah, you have to not be lazy. I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 1: You can say it, Tori, and yes, I agree.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say that because you're not lazy. You
Speaker 6: are a beast of your own right and a champion
Speaker 6: in your own lane.
Speaker 3: You are fine.
Speaker 6: You are just not interested in picking up a weak
Speaker 6: which is like totally fine, not to pick up weights,
Speaker 6: to host and do podcasts and be on shows.
Speaker 5: You're good.
Speaker 1: Actually I am getting into my fitness game, but we
Speaker 1: will talk about that later. But yes, that was an
Speaker 1: excellent breakdown. I love that people have so gotten into this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in this little comparison, let's talk about we'll get into
Speaker 1: the reunion, because I know that's what fans want to hear.
Speaker 4: But just your overall thoughts of the season.
Speaker 2: You made really big moves, particularly when Devin left, and
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm still gonna stand on it. I'm still gonna
Speaker 1: honor Dave in his legacy. Yeah, did you ever second
Speaker 1: guess that choice? And what made you decide that you
Speaker 1: were gonna kind of take the bullets even though Devin
Speaker 1: was already out of the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think like I just have hit a point with
Speaker 6: it all where I'm not scared to do what I
Speaker 6: feel like is right.
Speaker 5: I feel like in the past.
Speaker 6: Fear has dictated some of my political moves because I've
Speaker 6: been afraid of going into an elimination or potentially how
Speaker 6: it could backfire. But this was this like interesting storm
Speaker 6: of me really siding with Devin on a personal level
Speaker 6: and then having enough confidence to.
Speaker 5: Be like, fuck it, I'm gonna double down on what
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 6: And I think I've just grown more confident in time,
Speaker 6: so that has helped me. If this would have been
Speaker 6: Tory from Dirty thirty, I would have been scared. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't have been able to do it. I would have
Speaker 6: like tried to like hide my way through the game.
Speaker 6: So I think it was just a perfect storm of confidence.
Speaker 6: Banana's actually being you know, kind of fucked up, and
Speaker 6: Devin actually having his feelings hurt, and I was just like,
Speaker 6: all right, I'll do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think on this podcast this season, I've only chewed
Speaker 2: you up one time was when you made my baby.
Speaker 3: Cry Josh cry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw a bit in the reunion you guys
Speaker 2: have a conversation, but it still looked a little muddy.
Speaker 3: Where do you and Josh stand now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I think Josh and I I like to
Speaker 6: think that we cleared everything up and he knows like
Speaker 6: I have such a soft spot for Josh and will
Speaker 6: defend him, and I know where it all stemmed from,
Speaker 6: and I know why he took it out on me
Speaker 6: that night, but we were not laughing at him. It
Speaker 6: was truly a miscommunication and I was really drunk when
Speaker 6: we had that first initial conversation where Michelle's eating the
Speaker 6: iconic ramen noodles in the toga, like, so all of
Speaker 6: it happening, then none of it was actually being communicated correctly,
Speaker 6: and then it blew up into like what it became
Speaker 6: on the show. But I'm happy that it got squashed
Speaker 6: so quickly because I think he recognized wait a minute,
Speaker 6: they weren't actually talking about me. I did assume it,
Speaker 6: but also it stemmed from a place of you know,
Speaker 6: I had hurt him in the past, and this is
Speaker 6: how it manifested and came out. So it needed to happen.
Speaker 6: He clearly had feelings he wanted to express to me.
Speaker 6: It came out for something that it didn't need to
Speaker 6: come out at, but inevitably it opened the wound up
Speaker 6: so we could hash it out. And then this season
Speaker 6: I was able to kind of like reha his back
Speaker 6: again and show him that like I do love him
Speaker 6: and care about him as a friend and wanted to
Speaker 6: make up for you know, the past mistake.
Speaker 4: Have you guys talked since the reunion?
Speaker 5: I always talked to.
Speaker 6: Josh like we text each other and like we have
Speaker 6: our friendly banter. Josh is one of those friends that
Speaker 6: even when I was living in Miami, I'd be like,
Speaker 6: let's work out and we would plan a Berrys and
Speaker 6: then ten minutes before he'd be like, bro, I'm not coming,
Speaker 6: and I'd be like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh he did that when I was in Miami too.
Speaker 1: We were supposed to like connect and he was like
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So he you know, Josh is still Josh.
Speaker 6: He's still living his He's floating his way through life,
Speaker 6: as I like to describe it. But I'm always gonna
Speaker 6: love him, and I really think he's such a great person.
Speaker 5: And he gets a bad rap on the show.
Speaker 6: He walked the path that everyone is jealous of, and
Speaker 6: that's having so many friends that you're so protected. The
Speaker 6: only reason he got heat for that is because people
Speaker 6: wish they could have been.
Speaker 5: In his shoes and they're jealous.
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, he's a good person and he doesn't really
Speaker 6: have to play a good political game because people just
Speaker 6: genuinely like him.
Speaker 1: Yea to all one person part, this is not I
Speaker 1: think Josh is absolutely lovely.
Speaker 4: I think he is so much fun.
Speaker 1: I think it's great he has so many friends, Like
Speaker 1: all that do I think he probably needs to sharpen
Speaker 1: up his political game, Okay, yes, And do I think
Speaker 1: that he gets so much heat just because he has
Speaker 1: so many friends, not necessarily Like sure, there are people
Speaker 1: that are gonna be jealous of that, because Josh really
Speaker 1: is like if you I remember when he came on
Speaker 1: Aftermath and we put him in a dunk tank to
Speaker 1: where I think you were there for that episode.
Speaker 4: I do remember, but like he's just so fun.
Speaker 1: Like Josh is hilarious, but he like overextends in his promises,
Speaker 1: and it's like going into a store wanting to buy
Speaker 1: one of everything, but you only have ten dollars in
Speaker 1: your pocket, and like you can't you just.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that, like there is a common theme
Speaker 6: of Big Brother players, which I say respectfully because so
Speaker 6: many Big Brother players are so good at political games.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a it's.
Speaker 4: As giving us the death look right now.
Speaker 5: I just it's a literal craft. No, truly, it is
Speaker 5: a craft. And I could never play Big Brother. And
Speaker 5: I say that with respect.
Speaker 6: But there has been times where Josh has been like,
Speaker 6: you know, I I swear on my grandmother I won't
Speaker 6: put you in and then he did.
Speaker 5: So those are the thing like it's like you like.
Speaker 6: It's like if he just stopped like you said saying
Speaker 6: that he was gonna stir on a family member, like,
Speaker 6: he'd be in the clear. But there are some moments,
Speaker 6: but all in all, my point was if he just played,
Speaker 6: if he doesn't have to play the political game, if
Speaker 6: he played less of a political game, right, he just
Speaker 6: remained who he is, he would make it far, just
Speaker 6: like he does because his energy and his spirit are
Speaker 6: so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, I will say Josh should have
Speaker 2: made the shift, Like when you come from Big Brother,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's hard to make the shift because big Brother
Speaker 2: is so mental. That's why people ask me which game
Speaker 2: is harder, and people would think I would say the
Speaker 2: challenge because of all the physical because of the physical
Speaker 2: aspect of it. But big Brother is mentally like, it'll
Speaker 2: tear you up, little liars, and we'll do it.
Speaker 3: Look at you right now, and it won't matter. Right.
Speaker 2: And so when we come over here, I feel like
Speaker 2: he's done enough seasons where he should be able to
Speaker 2: shut Big Brother off and be able to adapt to
Speaker 2: his new environment because he's become a staple for you.
Speaker 4: He's part of the family.
Speaker 3: So he has to learn how to how to.
Speaker 2: But I'm still gonna say, yeah, that is okay to
Speaker 2: have a lot of people they love you, Joe.
Speaker 4: Josh really we really, we really really do.
Speaker 1: Speaking of things we loved and didn't love, we got
Speaker 1: to get into the fashion on this union.
Speaker 3: Oh everything looked nice.
Speaker 2: Oh I want to hear this so bad?
Speaker 4: Who It's twenty twenty five and I'm trying to turn
Speaker 4: over a new leaf. The leaf won't turn No, I
Speaker 4: I was okay, Can I keep it just like a thousand?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Please?
Speaker 4: I was underwhelmed this time. I really was underwhelmed. I
Speaker 4: don't feel like there were a lot of great.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a bunch of obvious like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's horribles. But there also weren't a bunch of oh
Speaker 1: my god, like let me google where I can get
Speaker 1: that outfit? Like she looked amazing the resply, I will
Speaker 1: say to me, the flies wing one. Maria Minunos killed it.
Speaker 1: She killed it from literally head to toe. And how
Speaker 1: she is aging backwards. She did my Real World reunion
Speaker 1: sixteen years ago. Girl looks younger now than she did then.
Speaker 1: I don't know how she does it, but she looks
Speaker 1: freaking phenomenal and her outfit was amazing.
Speaker 4: Everybody else looked nice.
Speaker 5: Did you think you didn't you didn't like.
Speaker 6: Jordan's suede grass stads.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, well, I actually appreciate he took a
Speaker 1: fashion risk because I think guys can be boring.
Speaker 4: I like that he took a fashion risk. I like
Speaker 4: that what Kylin did with the blue.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I like Kylon suit better at the launch party, but
Speaker 1: Kylin's good for getting.
Speaker 4: A tailored suit, and I appreciate a good tailor.
Speaker 1: I also liked Michelle's glam and dress because that color
Speaker 1: was on trend this year, so like, I get it.
Speaker 4: I thought that that looks really nice.
Speaker 1: A Nissa's glam was good and the only one who
Speaker 1: wore color. Tori, I need you to get out of neutrals.
Speaker 4: I need no to.
Speaker 1: Pot brown eight no browed to get out of neutrals
Speaker 1: because she's got this golden vibe and the golden hair.
Speaker 5: Like I want to say.
Speaker 4: Tory, just pop.
Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for a good brown.
Speaker 2: I want to see you look beautiful, but I want
Speaker 2: to see you like so my whole, my whole stick
Speaker 2: with This is the list couple of reunions, I have
Speaker 2: worn colors that eminate what I how where I placed, so.
Speaker 6: You'll notice when I come in second, I wear silver,
Speaker 6: so when I come So this one was a joke
Speaker 6: because like I pooped my pants, So I did, and
Speaker 6: so that was like I was trying to like scale
Speaker 6: it up wardrobe and bo was I pooped my pants?
Speaker 4: Chic? Is that what you were telling us?
Speaker 6: I am, yeah, That's.
Speaker 5: Why I were brown, Like there was a reason. And
Speaker 5: I'm going to stop that trend because what happened.
Speaker 6: Is people have caught onto it and they've been like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, I saw you work. They thought it
Speaker 6: was bronze when so they're like, did you come in fourth?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, people have caught.
Speaker 6: Onto this now, so if pictures of the reunion leak,
Speaker 6: they're automatically gonna.
Speaker 4: Know where you are.
Speaker 5: So stopping now next season.
Speaker 1: Can we just do a rich color like in your tone,
Speaker 1: like aside from the metals and nuts, just because it's.
Speaker 5: I will just diomy, Oh my god, that would be you.
Speaker 5: Can we go Diomi?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: All right, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: Let me say this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also a sucker for a good blazer. And
Speaker 2: Olivia's outfit did it for me?
Speaker 4: That does get an honorable mention.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 2: Her outfit did it for me. I thought it was
Speaker 2: really nice. I thought it was well put together. She
Speaker 2: looked really nice. I like the hair that she did.
Speaker 3: Like it looked good. She looks great. And you know
Speaker 3: who face card will never decline.
Speaker 1: Who avery my Yeah, yeah, yeah, gosh yeah yes.
Speaker 3: I kept staring at her. I was like, she is gorgeous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she absolutely did.
Speaker 1: I want to shout out rach for not being afraid
Speaker 1: of color. It was definitely fun seeing that. But is
Speaker 1: there any drama aside from Nehemiah throwing up?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know, whatever happens in Amsterdam stays? So I don't
Speaker 5: actually know, got it? Maybe it was food? Who knows? Yeah,
Speaker 5: who knows.
Speaker 4: At least he kept trying to pop out, which was Oh.
Speaker 3: He was funny with.
Speaker 5: It too, like he was like, guy, there you go.
Speaker 5: I felt bad for him.
Speaker 6: He was like fighting for his life, like he truly
Speaker 6: was going through it. So I was impressed that he
Speaker 6: was able to stay stay the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what was the tea? What do we miss
Speaker 3: not necessari about me and Amaya? What was going on
Speaker 3: that we didn't get to see.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like they did such a good
Speaker 6: job at like showing literally everything. I think it's hard
Speaker 6: to like, you know, there's still another part of the reunion,
Speaker 6: so I don't know if there's something that is going
Speaker 6: to be aired next week that wasn't aired.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: What I do love is like you.
Speaker 6: Really get into a bit more about why people voted
Speaker 6: they way they did after they left.
Speaker 4: It saying he had a crush on Olivia and finally
Speaker 4: admitting it, Oh do.
Speaker 5: You think he did?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I don't That's what room.
Speaker 1: We'd had some people on the show who sort of
Speaker 1: alluded to that. Look, she's a beautiful girl like and
Speaker 1: a smart girl like. I wouldn't be shocked if he did,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, but I so wouldn't be like
Speaker 1: what like, I mean, well, that face, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I I think Banana's you know, I mean, listen,
Speaker 6: I'm just speaking to his history. He definitely always likes
Speaker 6: to have someone to connect with on the show. Yeah, so,
Speaker 6: and there's no shame in that. I think that, like
Speaker 6: he didn't have anybody to connect with this time, so
Speaker 6: like he had to you know, experience that through his
Speaker 6: feet fantasies, which ended up being what they were, which
Speaker 6: was funny, you know, And honestly, every single one of
Speaker 6: those girls should like open up a foot fans or
Speaker 6: whatever they're called, because.
Speaker 1: You are only you know, you're on only feet wiki feet, yeah,
Speaker 1: wiki feet.
Speaker 4: There you go someone.
Speaker 5: And and you know what for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm proud of my score on there, because honestly,
Speaker 6: I would think it was much lower. So I'm thrilled.
Speaker 6: I'm graceful, thank you so much for giving me.
Speaker 5: Such high scores. But yeah, I feel like, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I feel like it makes sense for bananas and maybe
Speaker 6: have want like wanted a flirtation. I don't know if
Speaker 6: it was early in the season, but I totally missed all that,
Speaker 6: Like I don't know what I was doing the most,
Speaker 6: like majority of the season. You would see there was
Speaker 6: a lot of people hanging out by the pool late night,
Speaker 6: and that's where things went down. I was like going
Speaker 6: to bed early this season. This was not my season
Speaker 6: and be hooking up. You guys have seen me on
Speaker 6: past seasons, you know, snuggling up with this person. I
Speaker 6: was going on this one. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 6: was going on this one. I mean not with that mindset.
Speaker 6: My mindset was focused on the game so good. I
Speaker 6: was going to bed early, and I missed a lot
Speaker 6: of the behind the scenes stuff except for the one
Speaker 6: night that I got in a fight with Josh.
Speaker 5: And then after that, I was like, I'm good, I'm done.
Speaker 5: I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be it all right, guys, you
Speaker 1: know you gotta take a quick break, But don't worry.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this time.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got MS next, how about you, let's get
Speaker 1: back into the show.
Speaker 2: Was it just me when they did like the preview
Speaker 2: right of the reunion and Johnny was talking and it
Speaker 2: was on the segment about him, Devin and Michelle?
Speaker 5: Was it just me?
Speaker 3: Or did anyone else.
Speaker 2: Feel like he came out and was like I developed
Speaker 2: feelings for Michelle.
Speaker 3: Did y'all get that?
Speaker 4: I thought it was for Olivia.
Speaker 1: See, that's why I thought it was Michelle, right, And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised about either.
Speaker 6: I don't think that that's what came out like, I don't,
Speaker 6: but I don't know. There's no way that that's But
Speaker 6: do you think it's true?
Speaker 4: Secretly? Even if you're not.
Speaker 5: A Michelle thing, not the Mi Shelle thing, not the
Speaker 5: Michelle thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm trying to wrap my head around if
Speaker 6: I heard this Olivia thing before, and I'm like, I
Speaker 6: feel like I've pushed this so far in the back
Speaker 6: of my mind that I'm like trying to dig up
Speaker 6: old bones right now.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't. I don't think so, but like
Speaker 5: I don't know now. I'm now I'm really.
Speaker 6: Going to be paying attention for it next episode because
Speaker 6: I need to know.
Speaker 5: And I was there, which is so sad. I'm like,
Speaker 5: do I have amnesia?
Speaker 3: Well, what I know you.
Speaker 2: Do, remember YEP is the entrance of one of my
Speaker 2: really really good friends, and that is Amander, a man
Speaker 2: that came in dressed in all of her things.
Speaker 4: As the Devil, just putting.
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't support Satan, but I support Amanda. So
Speaker 2: how was that when she walked?
Speaker 6: I felt bad for Devon because it felt like such
Speaker 6: a setup. He got the Amanda question he had. I mean,
Speaker 6: maybe he knew she was there.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I don't because he played
Speaker 1: it off like he knew he played it off.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah he really did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So maybe he knew, but I was like the
Speaker 6: moment she walked in, my heart dropped for him because
Speaker 6: I'm like, wow, yeah, just so it was like firm
Speaker 6: public stance and now she is here and like you
Speaker 6: can't you can't write that shit, like, y know, you
Speaker 6: know the good thing about Amanda with me, Now I
Speaker 6: know what I'm gonna get from her, so I don't
Speaker 6: have the same reaction I used to have. Like she
Speaker 6: her and I were on office sides of the spectrum,
Speaker 6: so we're gonna leave it.
Speaker 5: Where it is. But like for him, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, like is this about to go down?
Speaker 6: And it did, but you can see even when it
Speaker 6: did go down, like she still has a.
Speaker 5: Lot of respect for Devon.
Speaker 6: You can just like see it with Like usually with
Speaker 6: other people, she'll like attack them or she'll say something,
Speaker 6: roll her eyes. With him, she still has love for
Speaker 6: him and a friendship and you can see it.
Speaker 3: We have history.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I did see that.
Speaker 2: And I'll say this publicly. I saw that you tried
Speaker 2: with Amanda. I saw that you tried. I saw that
Speaker 2: you genuinely tried. What do you think was the disconnect
Speaker 2: that just was like was it her or she just wasn't.
Speaker 3: Like, what was it.
Speaker 6: I think I think it has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 6: I think she doesn't like who I am, or something
Speaker 6: about who I am feels inauthentic to her for whatever reason.
Speaker 6: But I just know, like I don't have to prove
Speaker 6: myself to anybody, So if she doesn't want to connect
Speaker 6: with me, this is fine. And I see why people
Speaker 6: are friends with her. She is very loyal to the
Speaker 6: people she loves. So it's just it depends.
Speaker 5: On this side, the version of her. You get how
Speaker 5: you are going to respond to her.
Speaker 6: But I see it full spectrum now, So that's why
Speaker 6: I just am doing my best to not take it
Speaker 6: personally and just letting it be what it was. And
Speaker 6: it's better that we're not friends, you know, like you
Speaker 6: can't be friends with everyone.
Speaker 5: So it's all.
Speaker 4: It's all Josh said, you could.
Speaker 1: Now now look now I just had to I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I just had to know. That's Look, that's
Speaker 1: totally fair and what a mature answer and like take
Speaker 1: an approach is that you can't make everybody like you
Speaker 1: and like it is what it is, and you know.
Speaker 4: You just move about it differently.
Speaker 3: But look at you and Cara.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, yeah, get you in car Carl.
Speaker 3: And Dad was good. That was good to watch.
Speaker 6: There was a whole conversation between me and Carra which
Speaker 6: happened way in the beginning of the season. Cet was
Speaker 6: literally sitting there like the only person who was witnessed
Speaker 6: to this conversation, and Cara literally said to me, I
Speaker 6: just want to apologize the past year when you have
Speaker 6: been like, you know, getting bigger and bigger on the
Speaker 6: show and I haven't been here. I held resentment towards
Speaker 6: you because you know, I wanted that to be me,
Speaker 6: And I was just like, that is so real. How
Speaker 6: could you not yeah this person and see eye to
Speaker 6: eye now? And it made you know, then I apologize
Speaker 6: for all the snargd remarks I had made to her,
Speaker 6: which has been going back and forth between us now
Speaker 6: for a long time.
Speaker 5: And I think I think it was like this like
Speaker 5: weird moment where we were like are we putting the
Speaker 5: weapons down? Like yeah, it's happening. But it took all
Speaker 5: season to get there.
Speaker 6: And then once it once I severed ties with Bananas,
Speaker 6: it really opened up for her and I because she
Speaker 6: was always on the opposite side from him, and it
Speaker 6: opened the door for her and I to be friends,
Speaker 6: and I will say truly like that is this is
Speaker 6: one of my favorite things that I walked away from
Speaker 6: this season from if not any because being not friends
Speaker 6: with her, Like you don't have to be friends with
Speaker 6: any everybody, but she is such a physical threat in
Speaker 6: the game. To go against somebody like that, it's always
Speaker 6: kind of in the back of your mind, like if
Speaker 6: I play a season with this person, are they gonna
Speaker 6: gun for me?
Speaker 5: That's just me now thinking game.
Speaker 6: So to be in a position where even if there
Speaker 6: is a point in the future where maybe our games.
Speaker 5: Don't align, it will not feel personal anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which yeah, which was which was like such a
Speaker 6: win to walk away from it feeling like, oh, we
Speaker 6: can see human to human and have just respect for
Speaker 6: one another and you know the path that we've both created.
Speaker 5: So it's been my favorite part of the season for sure.
Speaker 1: So beautiful, especially because both of you guys belong on
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore and a mountain carved with faces divided amongst
Speaker 1: itself can't stand so seeing you guys like you know.
Speaker 4: Go, she came.
Speaker 5: Said, I'm still trying to figure out what it means.
Speaker 4: It was part Bible and part presidential. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just because you know, in the Bible, house
Speaker 1: divided against itself can't stand. And then you guys are
Speaker 1: on the Mount rushmore so a mountain because it's carved
Speaker 1: in anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So also, I just got.
Speaker 1: Up a plane from Australia like forty eight hours ago.
Speaker 1: My brain is not no, you felt it. You felt it.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to decipher it. My brain is trying
Speaker 5: to But it was poetic.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, pick up Tory's poetry book. It's really
Speaker 1: beautifully day.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seeing you guys come together though so fun.
Speaker 2: Seeing you guys do the Carl and Day thing so
Speaker 2: freaking hilarious.
Speaker 4: So good. I really think you guys should consider going
Speaker 4: on tour.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like Davon and l M see it, and
Speaker 1: then you guys like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, show it could be a thing.
Speaker 4: It would be a thing.
Speaker 5: Oh it would be so good.
Speaker 6: I put out a poll on my Instagram after it
Speaker 6: was after it had aired, and I said, like, who
Speaker 6: would hire us for your bachelorette parties?
Speaker 5: You know, so many people responded.
Speaker 1: I bet they would, Like I think that we could
Speaker 1: actually make.
Speaker 4: You graduations.
Speaker 1: You could also do grandma's birthday, like grandma's birthday.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, nursing homes.
Speaker 4: No one's safe, right, I think that would be so good.
Speaker 4: You just bought a new car.
Speaker 1: We meet you at the dealership and we show up
Speaker 1: and Carl and Dave come out, Davon and I introduce you, guys.
Speaker 4: I really feel like it could be a thing. We
Speaker 4: need to figure that out. We need to figure that
Speaker 4: out now.
Speaker 1: You and Bananas. We know you guys have had a friendship.
Speaker 1: We know on this episode we even say you think
Speaker 1: that deep down you think he's, you know, actually a
Speaker 1: stellar person. It still feels like there's some tension there.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys stand now? Because he said that
Speaker 1: he doesn't take work home, is that really true?
Speaker 4: How are you guys doing?
Speaker 6: I believe that he's done enough seasons that he really
Speaker 6: doesn't have any feelings to take at any home anymore.
Speaker 6: Like yeah, not in not in a way where he's like,
Speaker 6: you know, doesn't have feelings. I think he's just kind
Speaker 6: of like, this is my job.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6: I think what happened after this reunion is I think
Speaker 6: a lot of people ended up thinking that oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: we're cool. But what happened was the season was still
Speaker 6: airing and he was still doing his podcast, and then
Speaker 6: on those podcasts people were rehashing out right older moments,
Speaker 6: and then that creates new friction because it's like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, weren't we all just on the reunion being cool? Yeah,
Speaker 6: but now obviously you have to kind of go back
Speaker 6: in time.
Speaker 5: And so what he.
Speaker 6: Does really, really well for the viewer's sake is live
Speaker 6: in that moment as if it's happening right now. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I think that, like it's hard to keep up
Speaker 6: with him sometimes of like wait a minute, are we
Speaker 6: cool or are we not? But him and you know,
Speaker 6: we've talked. I truly believe that, like in real life
Speaker 6: we're great. I think if we were to play a
Speaker 6: game again, I think he's gonna I think he's gonna
Speaker 6: get his shot back and it's just gonna be round two,
Speaker 6: Like yeah, I can't imagine that it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I just I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't take it personally either, and I don't want
Speaker 6: to take it personally. It's too heavy to like leave
Speaker 6: the game and not like someone for a move like that.
Speaker 1: Who is bananas if you were a move the movie
Speaker 1: star like challenge us.
Speaker 5: Ben Stiller, Okay, walk us through to meet the fucker.
Speaker 5: It's just like, no, he's he's funny.
Speaker 6: You know, he's a goof he's a goofy guy, and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, i Q.
Speaker 5: It seems like he just has like a similar i
Speaker 5: Q to some of.
Speaker 6: The So he's a smart guy, I think, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we've said Leo in the past. Didn't we
Speaker 1: compare to Leo or someone?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Who did we compare to? The to Chris Pratt? Was
Speaker 2: the story said.
Speaker 1: Jordan was Chris Pratt because he went on to be
Speaker 1: because because Jordan in the beginning with someone people didn't
Speaker 1: kind of take serious and he didn't do all that
Speaker 1: well in his early seasons, only to go on and
Speaker 1: be essentially a superhero of the challenge. And Chris Pratt
Speaker 1: was the like goofy boyfriend who couldn't do anything for himself,
Speaker 1: only to become a superhero.
Speaker 4: You knowles, that's fair.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say about Jordan anymore.
Speaker 2: Like before, when you show up to a challenge and
Speaker 2: you see Jordan, it's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, if a dude, I'd just be like, well.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's because he's physically great at a lot
Speaker 2: of things, right, he's great a pretty much everything we
Speaker 2: saw this season.
Speaker 3: But we also got to see this season is.
Speaker 2: That he's politically great as well, and so he's like
Speaker 2: an overall he's us challenger. Yeah, like my goodness to
Speaker 2: not have to fit, like how do you dodge?
Speaker 3: Like what it's Jordan and he didn't have to see it,
Speaker 3: not one time. No, that's terrifying. Y.
Speaker 6: This season was dictated by the male female relationship. So
Speaker 6: Jordan has so many positive relationships with women that like
Speaker 6: they we all protected him, and he protected himself. He
Speaker 6: won four out of the daily individual wins. He also
Speaker 6: protected himself, but he had a lot of support from
Speaker 6: people who, like myself and like Laurel right at points,
Speaker 6: did have power and saved him. So if the game,
Speaker 6: if god guy were to vote in guys, I think
Speaker 6: it would have been different. But it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 6: in the guy's hands. Like girls dictated everything pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was interesting and I in hindsight.
Speaker 4: When it became clear, no, I'm about to say something
Speaker 4: controversial after that, in highsight when it became clear.
Speaker 1: So like initially when Tej was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: the male winner and the female winner are going to
Speaker 1: decide blah blah, but then it became clear that the
Speaker 1: deciding vote was the person of the opposite gender. I
Speaker 1: feel like early on it kind of became clear than that,
Speaker 1: like how things were going to go in a way,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, because it was like there was no.
Speaker 4: Aside from the Avery and.
Speaker 1: Tony thing like split vote moment, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just it. You just and girls want to run
Speaker 1: with strong guys in case you are partnered, and guys.
Speaker 4: Want to run with strong girls, so you like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 6: I think that, like it was a season built for
Speaker 6: him to win as long as he didn't lose. The
Speaker 6: whole final was a swimming final, I.
Speaker 4: Mean triathlete, Like yeah.
Speaker 5: And let's just talk about this.
Speaker 6: I think it's normal to have a running final because
Speaker 6: everybody has access to running.
Speaker 5: All you have to do is go outside and run.
Speaker 4: Movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not everybody has access to a pool.
Speaker 6: Not everybody has access to swimming, So to be a
Speaker 6: good swimmer is a different, more exclusive group of people.
Speaker 6: And if you're a good swimmer, You're way better than
Speaker 6: the average swimmer because it's it's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 6: be a good swimmer unless you unless you've physically gone
Speaker 6: out of your way to do it or Yeah. So,
Speaker 6: I mean the only exception to this is Jenny. She
Speaker 6: claims that she and I believe her. She claims that
Speaker 6: she's only swim a couple times.
Speaker 5: In her life.
Speaker 6: I think she's just like truly, her arm strength in
Speaker 6: comparison to body, she's.
Speaker 4: Just she's her core strength is her core strength.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's tiny too, Like I think people look at
Speaker 6: Jenny and they think she's big.
Speaker 5: She's tiny. She's very compact.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and she's just shredded so like for her. Like,
Speaker 6: but Michelle a great Michelle killed.
Speaker 1: The amount of times that Michelle was like last to
Speaker 1: leave the boat but one of the first to come
Speaker 1: back was unbelievabivable, unbelievable. With that said, your thoughts about
Speaker 1: this karma vote, because I had really strong feelings about it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The karma vote has its benefits because we've seen times
Speaker 1: where we felt like the villain won right Like in
Speaker 1: the past, we felt like the person.
Speaker 4: Who did all the wrong, evil things one and.
Speaker 1: So this in that scenario right would be the way
Speaker 1: to right that wrong or like could be really interesting
Speaker 1: because it's like not so fast. You don't get to
Speaker 1: set everyone on fire and then win. In this season,
Speaker 1: I don't think there was anyone that was a complete villain.
Speaker 1: Everybody made moves they needed to make.
Speaker 4: For their game.
Speaker 1: Some people like some people, but like even Amanda trying
Speaker 1: to be the villain, you still see a certain soft
Speaker 1: side of her, Like nobody was.
Speaker 4: The superhard villain. So then with that hint, the karma points,
Speaker 4: they're real.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they moved the needle a lot. Yeah, well I
Speaker 5: think I think it's a.
Speaker 6: Couple things about it, But I'm do you want to
Speaker 6: say what you think about it? No?
Speaker 4: No, I want to hear what you Yeah, I want
Speaker 4: to hear what you think about first.
Speaker 6: I think had the karma vote been on my side,
Speaker 6: I would feel completely differently about it, honest.
Speaker 3: See that's what I said.
Speaker 5: If you worked in my favor, I'd be like it
Speaker 5: was part of the game.
Speaker 6: I think the most upsetting thing because it didn't affect
Speaker 6: me my placing at all, Like I was fourth regardless
Speaker 6: of Karma vote or not. I think it sucks for
Speaker 6: Michelle because she had such an underdog story all the
Speaker 6: way through to then literally dominating this final, to then
Speaker 6: being in a position where now she kind of got
Speaker 6: fifty grand robbed from her or stolen from her essentially,
Speaker 6: if you look at it like that. But at the
Speaker 6: same time, I think about it like if only Jenny
Speaker 6: and Jordan one season forty and the Karma vote didn't
Speaker 6: play a factor at all, and this entire season people
Speaker 6: have been doing these votes and there was absolutely no
Speaker 6: movement in the final and it was kind of a dud.
Speaker 6: Ending then I would be like, well, how do you
Speaker 6: think that would have been a dud? Because I feel
Speaker 6: like what they could have done story wise now Jordan, yes,
Speaker 6: and like Jordan was just killing it, But with Jenny
Speaker 6: it could have been a highlight because she had an
Speaker 6: underdog moment too earlier this season because they kept she said,
Speaker 6: she felt like odd men out, they kept voting her in.
Speaker 6: I'd say, even when we Day and I were there
Speaker 6: briefly in the beginning of the season, it felt and
Speaker 6: it could be just because I knew her the least
Speaker 6: of everyone else there too, it did feel like as
Speaker 6: I watched her move that she felt maybe on an
Speaker 6: island or seem like on an island, and so she
Speaker 6: bought her way and she won, you know, like whether
Speaker 6: a viewers connected to her or not, Like she was
Speaker 6: someone who felt like she was on her own and
Speaker 6: had to prove herself and she won amazing.
Speaker 4: So like that's a beautiful and relatable story. And as
Speaker 4: much as.
Speaker 1: I love Rachel, like I adore Rachel and have four
Speaker 1: years and I'm happy she's happy, and I think.
Speaker 4: She is a beast, Michelle was.
Speaker 1: And to see them sit in he key with such
Speaker 1: confidence at the reunion about we won and we did
Speaker 1: da da dot and Michelle had to sit there with
Speaker 1: compos whoa.
Speaker 3: She did it with class, She did it grace.
Speaker 4: She did because I would have been like, what ch'all
Speaker 4: laughing at? Cut the check?
Speaker 3: What are you laughing at?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So yeah she handled that, Like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt bad for her in real time too,
Speaker 6: like you know, yeah, but I really think, like, imagine
Speaker 6: they built the entire season around these karma votes and
Speaker 6: then it absolutely moves nothing in the final. And I
Speaker 6: also feel like, let's say Jenny and Rachel win first place, well,
Speaker 6: then they share first.
Speaker 4: Place, and then Michelle gets second place, and then I
Speaker 4: take you know.
Speaker 3: Like, hello, a no fourth?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is it a fourth anymore?
Speaker 6: If you're telling me two people tied for first place
Speaker 6: then their first place.
Speaker 5: Yeah like no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: This felt only because like if Michelle was just coasting
Speaker 1: in the final, then I feel like as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I care. Let you know, you're like, but it's like,
Speaker 1: in those different legs, the well one, we saw her
Speaker 1: doubting herself. We saw her almost quit right because like
Speaker 1: she had the heat stroke and she like didn't think
Speaker 1: that she kind of deserved to be there. Olivia talks
Speaker 1: to her, saying she says in and then in each
Speaker 1: of those legs she gets a penalty, she comes in last,
Speaker 1: and that she still starts like lapping people and coming back.
Speaker 1: I feel like with that momentum, it would have been
Speaker 1: really nice to see the payoff there.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, ay, I'm just gonna say it because
Speaker 2: I think we all thinking it, but I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 3: And even if we're not thinking it, we're thinking it now.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think Johnny was a villain this season,
Speaker 2: but he did go toe to toe with pretty much
Speaker 2: everybody on everybody right, So let's say Johnny had been
Speaker 2: beating Jordan and was in first place and then the
Speaker 2: Karma voltes.
Speaker 4: Hit that when it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that that's one of those situations.
Speaker 2: But when you when you have to watch Michelle fight
Speaker 2: as hard as she did and then to find out
Speaker 2: that it was like to the back of the bus,
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, come on, what what?
Speaker 3: So that was that was hard?
Speaker 2: That wasn't It didn't give me satisfaction as a viewer.
Speaker 2: It made me feel really really bad for her.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, So we're coming to a close in season forty.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have Reunion Part two coming up. But
Speaker 1: what's next for you? Will there be swimming? Are there
Speaker 1: more creative projects? Tell us what's coming up for toy?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm so excited because I'm hosting next season of
Speaker 6: the podcast and I cannot wait to cover Davon Who's
Speaker 6: doing Now.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Like, I am so excited to watch
Speaker 2: this All Star season.
Speaker 5: I think like.
Speaker 6: I'm taking a break from the challenge competing wise, like
Speaker 6: I just need a break from a little bit of it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you know, I'm definitely gonna be taking some
Speaker 6: time off to work on creative projects like I always am.
Speaker 5: So you know, if you're.
Speaker 6: Living in my world, which you can find me at
Speaker 6: tory Underscore Deal. You'll see me post about all the
Speaker 6: stuff I work on. I also, when you can't celebrate yourself,
Speaker 6: I've learned you have to learn how to celebrate other people.
Speaker 6: So I helped Jenny design her merch line for her
Speaker 6: winter her Winner collection. So Jenny, if you are following
Speaker 6: the season of the show, just know that Jen just
Speaker 6: launched all of her new merch and I was a
Speaker 6: part of helping to design some of the pieces.
Speaker 5: So I'm wearing one right now. It's his champions Club.
Speaker 6: So just remember, when you can't root for yourself, there's
Speaker 6: always ways to root for other people and be a
Speaker 6: part of their winds.
Speaker 4: And that is why I will ride or die for Tory.
Speaker 4: By the way, yeah Tory has.
Speaker 1: It took Day two and a half years to warm
Speaker 1: up and finally like we're friends.
Speaker 4: And I've always.
Speaker 1: Loved Day, to be clear, but if finally now, I
Speaker 1: feel like she let me in after that Vietnam trip.
Speaker 1: But Tori, even before we really knew each other, was
Speaker 1: a girl's girl and down and I will never forget that,
Speaker 1: Like that is a special kind of human and so
Speaker 1: I will always ride and support you and step in
Speaker 1: the fire, like come at me, bro, because I'm a Tory,
Speaker 1: you'll stand, and.
Speaker 4: Y'all know I don't lie.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I mean there's like, truly the fact that we get
Speaker 6: to do this podcast together, like this is.
Speaker 5: The only all female podcast.
Speaker 6: For the Challenge winning apparently award winning, award winning American
Speaker 6: reality TV award winning podcast. We have so much to
Speaker 6: be proud of, and it's an honor to work with
Speaker 6: you guys, Like truly, when I saw you in Vietnam.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh shit, it was so good.
Speaker 6: It was so good, and you guys looked amazing, Like it's.
Speaker 5: Just so nice to see.
Speaker 6: The podcast being elevated and respected the way that it
Speaker 6: deserves to be. So yeah, I'm just happy to be
Speaker 6: here with you guys and be doing it, Like there's
Speaker 6: there's a lot of work that we get to do
Speaker 6: this in this Challenge world together.
Speaker 4: And it's just like it's a really it's a really
Speaker 4: special place. It's a it's a whole.
Speaker 1: Family, and love it so much, love you so much.
Speaker 1: Excited to hear you and your take. Don't go easy on, Davon.
Speaker 1: I will be watching and listening.
Speaker 4: The same way. Okay, don't make me come on there,
Speaker 4: hold her.
Speaker 2: So glad it's you and Anissa My god today, because
Speaker 2: I would be in time out every week.
Speaker 1: Every week I would be writing in note, I'd be
Speaker 1: sending in notes to the podcast.
Speaker 6: So good, please do please, thank you guys so much
Speaker 6: for having me. I love you guys too, and congrats
Speaker 6: on another amazing season. And let's go in some more
Speaker 6: podcast awards.
Speaker 2: Yes, such a great interview. I love when our podcast
Speaker 2: has just come to talk to us.
Speaker 3: It just makes us feel like we're sitting on the
Speaker 3: couch having a sister circle. Bils so good.
Speaker 2: Now, where can the people find you if they want
Speaker 2: to sit with you and have a sister circle?
Speaker 3: Where can they find you? All the socials of the media.
Speaker 1: Oh, come join the community, guys. You can find me
Speaker 1: at my website, Devinsimone at dot com. That's Devin with
Speaker 1: weisimo and I. You can find me on IG. I
Speaker 1: am committed to posting more content. You guys would be
Speaker 1: semi proud, so IG and responding to DM's snapchat at Devinsmone,
Speaker 1: Twitter at Devinsmone. It's all at Devin Simone. We made
Speaker 1: it real simple and consistent. But there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff and I'm doing some giveaways. I
Speaker 1: just gave away a diamond ring a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: If you missed that, sorry, but make sure you're following
Speaker 1: me so then you.
Speaker 4: Can play along.
Speaker 1: Also, Amazon lob follow me there, Devin Simont, All right, Devon,
Speaker 1: We're definitely going to be following you on this season
Speaker 1: of All Stars for sure.
Speaker 4: Challenge Bam.
Speaker 1: I think like we should maybe start a group chat
Speaker 1: so we can comment about days perform, like we can
Speaker 1: just talk and give her, you know, uplifting advice and
Speaker 1: unwanted commentary. We'll figure it out. Maybe a broadcast channel
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I think that's what we should do.
Speaker 4: Davon. Where can they find you while they're rooting you
Speaker 4: on this season of All Stars?
Speaker 3: January twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: You can definitely find me on MTV on the All
Speaker 2: Stars Season five, but you can also find me sitting
Speaker 2: here right now in this moment, confused as to why
Speaker 2: to get the phone call about the diamond ring, because
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 1: Loved you should be upon me on my Instagram and
Speaker 1: you would have seen the rules were there.
Speaker 4: You need to turn on the pronuntigations.
Speaker 3: Send me a text so I can participate in the
Speaker 3: meantime In between time, y'all can.
Speaker 2: Find me on the socials of the media's I also
Speaker 2: will be more active this year.
Speaker 3: Find me John Diane Underscore on.
Speaker 2: All the Things You Tried It Okay, it is a
Speaker 2: new year.
Speaker 3: Ride it with one for the road. I cannot believe you.
Speaker 4: I love you so much.
Speaker 2: We love y'all to the moon and back, and we
Speaker 2: thank you guys so much for joining us for another
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Speaker 3: Tell all of your fellow A Challenge fan to listen
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Speaker 4: We love that absolutely and we're not done yet.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, We'll be back next week to cover part
Speaker 1: two of the reunion on MTV's.
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