WEBVTT - College Football Influencers 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.160 Welcome to the solid verbal hell. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:05.560 That for me. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.680 I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well, 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.639 I want to be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.399 You want to be happy for day Edith Stake is 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:14.360 that whoo whoo? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:16.520 And them and. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.479 Tie welcome back to the solid rebel boys and girls. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.040 My name is Ty Hilda Brand on the other side 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.920 of this virtual studio way over there, still in sunny 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.720 southern California, the one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.160 are you. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.080 Ty, I'm feeling some electricity in my bones. I'm gonna 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:42.920 I'm gonna be very honest with you. 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Yeah, before we get 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:59.880 into our show. This evening a week is past. The 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.160 The news in college football and frankly around sports and 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.160 around the globe has been dominated once more by the 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.880 death of George Floyd and stories of and demonstrations against 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.240 racial injustice. And I don't know if I could be 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.040 real here for a second, like we do a college 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.600 football show, right, yep, that's why everyone's here. But neither 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.560 one of us lives in a vacuum. Dan, We read 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.360 the news. The stories that we see of racial injustice 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.280 are awful. It's painful to see, and so the question 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.520 that's been lingering in my mind over the last week 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.480 is how we can use how I can use this 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.240 platform to help. And the truth is, I don't really know. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.760 That's part of the problem for me. I don't know. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.880 I do know that the world probably ain't gonna change 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.720 with another screwny white guy up here given in opinion 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.720 just to get a pat on the back. Yeah, And 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.400 as you know, that's not really my style. I just 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.520 I wanted Heballers to know that I that we we're 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.880 committed to listening, We're committed to learning how we can help. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.320 Yeah, and we are going to do everything we can 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.440 to use our platform for good and for the most 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:15.520 human and empathetic reasons. It's ty. It's a very strange time, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:20.119 given both the backdrop of everything that's happening culturally and 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.600 in the public health world, and so just from Afar, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.800 just the outrage and the sadness and the desperation. But 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.240 at the same time, some hope seeing the best of 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.160 humanity come out of this, and hopefully the best of 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.400 public health come out of this as people take to 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:42.720 the streets rather admirably to make their voices heard. I'm 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.280 really hopeful that good will come of this, and that 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.640 there will be reform, and that there will be more 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.880 listening and more empathy and more humanity. And whether it's 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.040 you know, in policing, whether it's just an everyday conversation, 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.160 whether it's in the business world, whether it's in housing 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:03.920 and banking, and and just everything that society touches. And yes, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.600 ty that obviously, as we'll get into includes sports and 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.280 college football. I'm hopeful that we are because we're in 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.680 a time where so many people can make their voices heard. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:18.880 That we are in a forward moving era or generation. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.719 So that's the silver lining of a lot of real, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.839 just entrenched sadness that I think a lot of people feel. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.599 The news has been dominated by stories such as this, 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.480 Jim Harbaugh and Mark Stoops and Tom Herman and Gus 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:39.159 Malzan and Mario Cristobaal and I'm sure countless others who 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.880 I don't have time to name here participating among the 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:48.960 many participating in demonstrations against racial injustice. So to your point, Dan, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.320 some of the biggest names in college football out there 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.000 on the streets trying to do their part to help. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.920 We also had a story down in Tallahassee about coach 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.080 Mike Norvell, this is a weird story. It took a turn. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.960 It seems like it took a turn back for the good. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.640 Marvin Wilson, a senior defensive tackle for the Knowles. He's 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.880 now saying he believes the team has grown in light 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.760 of a situation in which Mike Norvell gave comments to 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.919 the Athletic sort of misrepresented his interactions with the team 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.039 after the death of George Floyd. He commented that he 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.560 was communicating individually with every player, which apparently was not 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.799 the case. Wilson called him out on it. He says 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.880 that he and coach Norvell had a chat that preceded 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.400 a larger team discussion and that it feels like the 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:40.920 team growth. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.440 Yeah, I imagine people have read the story, seeing the story 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.720 as it came and went. Hopefully it has gone and 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.720 Florida State is a closer team for it. But it's 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.240 Mike Norvell's saying in this interview that he connected individually 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.320 with Florida State players when it was more of a 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.799 mass text and he was there to respond if players 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.839 were to respond to the mass text to the team. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.040 And so Marvin Wilson called the not really conveyed reality 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.360 of this situation, and I came away with a lot 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.320 of things. And I hope Florida State's close a ford, 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.320 and I hope communication is better for it as well. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.600 But I came away my big picture thing was how 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.479 impressed I was with Marvin Wilson as a human. Holy well, wow, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.240 was he impressive. That dude's going to do big things. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.640 We had a story out of Iowa with dozens of 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.800 former Iowa football players speaking out the stories of racial 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:32.960 disparities and mistreatment within the Hawkeye football program. I'm lifting 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.799 this from the Daily Iowan because they described it much better, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.960 more accurately than I could. But this centers around Chris Doyle, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.840 who is the Iowa strength and conditioning coach. He was 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.400 apparently at the center of many of these allegations against 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.040 the program. He's been placed on leave pending an independent 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:55.080 review of those allegations. Also of note here, though, is 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.039 Kirk Farence has come out saying that he is committed 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.000 to changing the culture of the program. Iowa actually had 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.719 a bit of a Twitter band in place where players 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.840 were only allowed to have one pre approved tweet per month. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.760 Something of that ilk. They have lifted that band now 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.680 so that players can participate in the nationwide discussion, especially 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.480 that discussion taking place on social media. So I think 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.000 it's good that the players now have a chance to 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.120 make their voice heard. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.080 There were a lot of very serious and really disheartening 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:31.920 things being thrown around, and you know, when we look 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.120 at Iowa, it kind of seems that the sort of 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:40.000 consistency and continuity that the Hawkeyes have enjoyed has now 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.320 become kind of a weakness. I think I saw a 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.440 couple tweets about this, maybe from Pat Forty of SI 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.120 and I thought that was an interesting way of putting it, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.880 because people are there for so long. Phil Parker, the 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.720 defensive coordinator, has been around forever there and you know, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.480 Chris Doyle, the person at the center of this, I 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.920 think ninety nine. He's been there ninety nine and he's 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.920 one of the highest paid, if not the highest paid 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:07.000 strength coaches in college football. And so the picture that 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.000 was painted by all these former players was like, there 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.680 is an inner circle to Iowa football, and you're either 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.760 in it or out of it, and if you're in it, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.840 you're like a made man and you're unimpeachable. If you remember, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.120 this was the same strength coach they had the rhabdomialysis 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.000 in god, maybe almost a decade ago, and he then 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.360 went on to win like Iowa Assistant of the Year 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.680 at like the team function. And so there's like there's 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.480 a very insular nature, which I think is very valuable 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.360 to have that continuity in a way of running your culture, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.319 if it's healthy for everybody, if if people are acting 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.760 professionally in like adults. And I understand there's a toughness 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.760 quotient to football and there should be. But when you 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.200 hear some of the stories about the way christ Doyle 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.559 would speak to some of the players, and the punishments 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.640 and the exercise and like just the way that you know, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.440 they couldn't show up to practice with your hair a 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.560 certain way or with earrings and it was definitely slanted 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.120 in one way and not the other. And so there's 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.479 it seems like because they're so they've been so successful, 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.720 it's developing under recruited players, it's going to bowl games, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.440 it's you know, beating more talented teams, sending players to 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.000 the draft high draft picks, that like, well, whatever they're 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.880 doing is working, so don't mess with it. But at 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.760 the same time, there is that thin line between success 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:29.760 and a kind of unhealthy culture, and so I hope 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.600 this brings out change. I hope this even if it's 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.880 hard to imagine Chris Doyle coming back with all of 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.199 these revelations coming out, and you know is a Darrell 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.040 Johnson Couliano's DJK who had an incredibly successful career that 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.320 ended with you remember the drug house story and you 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.720 know four of the five charges were dropped, and his 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.000 accounting of his career and how he was treated. Hopefully 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.120 it makes Kirk ference in the Iowa program better and 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.680 better listeners. But it definitely sounded like when you're listening 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.400 to these players one after the next, it definitely sounded like, Okay, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.360 there needs to be pretty major cultural changes in Iowa City, 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:09.800 didn't it. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.960 That was my impression as well. I was encouraged that 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.079 Kirk Farrens kind of acknowledged that saying that the culture 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.920 needs to change talk is cheap. We'll see if actions 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.839 can be put behind those words. But hopefully this is 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.199 the first step in acknowledging that perhaps there is a 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.920 bit of an issue within the program. So we'll see 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:29.520 where this goes. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.520 It's one of those things where I'm currently in California 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.880 you're in Pennsylvania. You're not in the Iowa locker room. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.000 You're not in the Florida State locker room. Neither am 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.600 i And so we're taking in the information we can get, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.559 and so we assume that things are when things are successful, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.839 like Florida State was, and then it turns out of 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.679 what they weren't so successful near the end of the 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.640 Jimbo Fisher era, and you know, Iowa with everything going 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.920 on now Clemson, which I'm sure we'll talk about in 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.560 a moment, where we just assume there's there's happiness and peace, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:03.160 and that's that is our geographic and just the removed 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.160 privilege that we have of not being there every day 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.240 to sort of understand and not hear these players. Not 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.000 hear these players because at a lot of these places, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.120 they just don't have voices. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.400 Let's talk about the Clemson story. Dabo Sweeney has attempted 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.080 to clarify a situation in which an assistant coach used 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:26.679 a racial swur in twenty seventeen. Dado has been trying 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:27.960 to clean this one up. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.480 Yeah, so this was in reference to an incident two 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.520 or three years ago with an assistant who used the 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.960 N word. But more talking about the language that players 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.080 were using. He wasn't being accusatory or calling a player 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.400 by a racial epithet. It was more just him saying 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.440 it out loud. There was another incident with music being 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.960 played in the locker room while Dabosweeney was giving a 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.400 prospective new assistant coach a tour, and he wanted the 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.120 locker room to present itself, in Dabo's eyes, more professionally 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.520 and more maturely, and so there was some insensitivity. It 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.240 seemed that like Dabbo was the sort of cultural arbiter 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.679 in that situation. He's a great football coach ti he 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:13.679 absolutely is, absolutely and seems to like speaking from his 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.280 gut for better or worse. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:16.160 Uh. 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.240 And that's on a certain level admirable. I guess it 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.960 depends what he says. The issue, it appears to me, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.199 is with his platform, because he'll say, like the ah 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.720 shucks that were just a football program, that kind of thing, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.120 with his platform, with his sway, with the amount of 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.199 people wearing orange and purple, that will hang on his 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.960 every word. He does have a responsibility not just to 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.880 his team, which he absolutely does as you know, the 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.959 big capital l leader of men, but it's it's public, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.640 it's you know, he's selling kids, he's selling parents on 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.800 taking teenagers and turning them into men. And so as 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:57.280 this becomes a time of what it's a time of listening, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:03.000 perhaps readjusting one's out look to recognize unconscious biases. So 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.400 how he pronounced that biases biases to be more mindful about, 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.640 you know, the power he has over his players. If 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.440 you remember, there was a story about him kind of 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.760 all but discouraging a sit in that Clemson players wanted 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.880 to participate in on the Clemson campus and he was like, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.640 you better know what you get into. And it was 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.280 sort of like coded language that sort of sent a 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.320 message that I'm okay with it, but not really that 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.360 kind of thing. And then he puts out this fourteen 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:35.959 minute statement where I think he comes across as pretty genuine, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.400 but also at the same time he's very defensive, and 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.960 so the better part of me is thinking, Okay, you 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.719 know what he has He has woken up. He has 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.880 awakened to a conversation that he didn't realize that there 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.400 was a gravity to it. You know, he had comments 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.720 about Colin Kaepernick a few years ago, and you know, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.959 protesters can just leave America if they don't like it, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.400 and you know, really insensitive, and I just I'm hopeful 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.280 that this has has given him new perspective, and I'm 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.360 hopeful that he is listening more than he is speaking. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.960 I really am, and that would be amazing if he is. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:17.080 But the statement hit a lot of weirdly defensive notes 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.320 to me in this time. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.320 He's very good at the sneaky qualifiers when he's talking. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.880 I've always found that about him, and I do feel 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.600 like most of what he says comes from a very 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.320 genuine place. But the sneaky qualifiers, frankly, they sneak up 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.480 on you, right, and it does make you wonder sometimes 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.080 what he's really thinking. But Dabo is now dealing with 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.640 this situation at Clemson, as so many are around the country. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:47.440 Another story here. Utah defensive coordinator Morgan Scally has been 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:52.320 suspended indefinitely for a social media post that referenced a 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:57.040 twenty thirteen text thread yes, which included a racial slur. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.920 A number of former players have come to his defense, 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.560 vouching for his character. But again, given where we're at 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.760 right now, this is the kind of story that is 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.040 all too prevalent, and. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.160 Yes, this is especially this is a time when voices 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.640 are being empowered that hadn't been while they were active players, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.800 in this case Utah players. And have you heard the 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.840 phrase ignore everything before the butt? Have you heard that phrase? 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.840 Oh, I believe I've said that on this program. It's 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.720 very I think I'm the one who may have said that, right. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.760 Yeah, there were a lot of players who came out 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:37.760 and said we or I adore coach scally, but he 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.320 did act a little bit cringe worthy more often than 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.840 he should have. That was that seemed to be the 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.920 sentiment he's been. What a Utah lifer he was. If 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.520 he's an All American man, he's certainly a tremendous player 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.840 for Utah safety under Urban Meyer and coached under Kyle 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.680 Whittingham as his first job as a grad assist in 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.480 a safety's coach special teams, and now so these last 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.200 two years has been a terrific defensive coordinator. But when 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.120 I was reading the story about things he would say 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.400 to players and how scared they were of speaking up 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.080 around him, it kind of seemed like and I have 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.200 not looked at the coaching staff from you know, between 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.880 two thousand and eight and now essentially, but I've looked 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.440 at well, no, I shouldn't say that. I looked at 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.120 the current coaching staff, and it's a pretty admirably diverse 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.160 one up and down, you know, the different positions. I 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.760 almost wonder if there were no coaches who had the 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.520 temerity or were able to get through to him, pulling 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.480 him aside, you know, in twenty eleven, twenty thirteen, two 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.440 thousand and nine, and two thousand and eight, to say 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.880 you gotta pull back just a you're going a little 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:46.960 you're going a little far there. I don't know if 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.480 that's on Kyle Whittingham. It probably is, if everything you 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.840 know falls to Kyle Whittingham, it ultimately does. But I 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.840 almost wonder if nobody was able to get through to him, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.480 and also maybe the fact that he's a lifer in Utah. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.840 He's recruit it everywhere. But you know, his perspective, especially 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:09.200 as it seems towards players of color, it seemed lacking, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:14.399 like a very human note. But this is everything ignored 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.359 before the butt. But his players, I suppose, as a 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.800 strict coach, seem to love him. And I mean strictly 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.800 as a coach, not as a strict coach. But there 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.960 was all, there's just almost to a person in I 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.159 think it was the athletic wrote the article. Talking to 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.120 former players that played for him. We're like, we love him, 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.040 but yeah, he was really rough as a human, like 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.200 not a fully formed human in the way of dealing 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.159 with people from different backgrounds. And so I'm hopeful for 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:45.919 change again. I'm going to try to come out of 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.840 this as positively and as silver lininglye as I possibly can. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.080 I'm hopeful it's a wake up call. But when you 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.320 see those types of patterns, you're like, these these are 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.159 not our best and brightest. These are best and brightest 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:04.240 defensive coordinator and so helpful. But ready to move on, 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:04.800 I think. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.040 All right, Well, that's all the news I have for now. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.960 We'll continue talking about relevant stories in and around the 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.480 world of college football and continue this discussion as best 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.120 we can. But please do write in solid verbal at 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.680 gmail dot com. Let us know what's on your mind. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.919 We're here. We'd love to hear from you. We very 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.679 much appreciate your support and for making us part of 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:28.000 your day. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.560 Yeah, and on a much more micro level, Tye, I'm 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.320 excited for today's show. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:33.119 Okay. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.600 You know we like to try and cover all bases. Yeah, 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.440 on the college football front. College football has many tentacles. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.520 We talk about as many of them as we can. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.840 This is not one that we have spent too much 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.360 time talking about. We've mentioned it in passing, but we've 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.840 never done a show on the social media aspect of 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:59.440 college football, in particular now the large scale operation that 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.879 many programs are running to position themselves as trendy and 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.960 appealing to recruits, and it's a very very important thing. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.960 So on that side of the coin, we're excited to 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:16.159 bring on Derek Markle, the newly minted creative director for 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:17.480 the Michigan State Spartans. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.320 Yes, and while that's sort of a vague term, he 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.760 is in charge of the sort of outward facing social 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.520 media and internet presence, be it on Twitter, Instagram. Perhaps 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.399 I don't know what their YouTube presence is like, but 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:35.160 especially on Instagram, where recruits are and your friend Anne 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.919 also is. He is in charge of the message that 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.879 Michigan State is sending out to prospective football players and 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:49.800 also existing Michigan State football fans. And in terms of importance, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.040 I think it's a pretty underrated job because they are 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:58.440 essentially the visual recruiters for the football program, especially one 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.080 like Michigan State that is is transitioning coaches from markd' 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.200 antonio to Mel Tucker. Is I think trying to enter 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.000 into a new era in terms of cool is the 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.040 wrong word, but refreshing the brand. Perhaps. If you look 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.679 at what Michigan State is putting out recently as compared 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.399 to how they position themselves as a program before, it 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.200 certainly seems different that they've gotten younger with their coach, certainly, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.600 and I think a there's a different vibe I would 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.080 say to how Michigan State is positioning itself a lot younger. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.400 So Derek is in charge of that, and what they're 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.199 doing is pretty incredible. And you know what, Ty, what 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.760 a lot of programs are doing is pretty incredible. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:38.200 Oh yeah. 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.439 Focus on video and graphic design and letting players and 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.400 their families visualize themselves in a specific uniform or on 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.840 this field or you know, signing autographs or being drafted 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.400 or anything like that. It's all really an impressive way 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.600 to sell a program. And we saw it recently with 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.119 you know, I think it was Bruce Feldman who of 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.840 Bruce and he wrote breaking on Twitter like breaking news. 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:10.360 USC hires two important members of LSU's video department, as 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.000 in like video promotion, not filming practices. I'm pretty sure 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.480 it's making promotional videos, which at first glance and I 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.159 was one of the people to make fun of that. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.560 And I don't know what type of impact they'll have 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.680 at USC. I think a lot will depend on what 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.840 they actually accomplish on the field. But it can't hurt 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.680 in the way that USC has gotten that their messaging. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:32.560 And I know we like to make fun of USC 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.280 as Oregon fan, an Oregon fan and a Notre Dame fan, 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.159 but everybody needs to stay current tie. Everybody needs to 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.840 share their message out right, no for. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:43.560 Sure, and then on the other side of the coin, 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.439 which to your point getting the message out. If you 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.359 are a big time recruit, you got to go to 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.520 one guy and one guy only if you want to 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.359 build your own personal brand. And that guy is Hayes Faucet, who, 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.520 as we under stand, will be a freshman at LSU 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.760 will be joining up with the LSU staff to contribute 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.399 in that department, but he has made a name for 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.639 himself working on behalf of some of the most prize 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.040 recruits in all of college football. If you go on 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.240